Maybe if they were playing with fire they’d have burns so it makes perfect sense to me. Swiss Army Knives don’t usually need locking blades in my opinion, except for the 111mm ones. Victor Unix has got it right already.
I think the reason people compare the 2 is that in fact the Pioneer i.e. Farmer without saw blade was the actual ''Swiss Army Knife'' meaning that it was issued to the Swiss Army 1961-2008. From 2008 to present the ''Soldier'' i.e. One-handed Trekker, but just with green nylon scales with grips in an ''Adidas'' 3 stripe configuration on each end of the scales, is issued to the Swiss Army. The Germany Army Issue knife (from the 90s I think) is the same but has plain olive green nylon scales with a Bundesadler (German Eagle) motif on them. Anyway I do have both. The Farmer is my EDC on a rotation with the Hiker, the Hiker because it has more or less the same toolset as the current Swiss / German Army issue knife (i.e. the one-handed Trekker). But I can't EDC the one-handed Trekker here in the UK because (a) the blade is longer than 3 inches and (b) it's a locking blade. The Soldier is for when I go wild camping / bushcrafting and anyway I'm going above and beyond those limitations, as I carry a fixed blade knife - Mora or Linder - and the Soldier is secondary. I just like having a saw capability as EDC although I very rarely use it. For scissors I also EDC a Classic, they're small but very capable. Plus a ''medium'' multitool for pliers and extra blade, the SOG microclip, or a bladeless Gerber MP600 if I'm carrying a bag, again both are UK EDC legal, unlike most Leathermans. The Squirt is just too small to be of any use for fixing my mountain bike or whatever.
I carry the _Pioneer X_ for daily EDC and the _Soldier 08_ if I'm somewhere in the outskirts like in the forrest, the mountains or even somewhere in my backyard. The beauty with Victorinox knifes is that you can choose from so many models, depending on what functions might be more or less important for anyone. ;)
I disagree and personally think that they're extremely similar except for their sizes. Otherwise, it's a great review and always nice to see a SAK discussion.
Have to say I'm always a little surprised at how many videos mention a SAKs ability (or lack thereof) to strike a ferro rod. Just about every rod I've bought in recent years has had a dedicated striker tethered to the handle, which I much prefer to putting extra wear on any of the tools on my SAK.
My SAK 111mm knives (Rucksack and Forester) ride in an old, leather single mag pouch. I have a nylon pouch for inclement weather. An SAK Spartan goes in the pocket. I generally carry the 111mm knives when I am working outside or in the woods. Today, my OHT should arrive!
Maybe it's a tenuous link but the thing they have in common is the Swiss Military. The OHT is the civilian version of the Soldier knife, which has been issued to the Swiss Army since 2008, with green nylon scales and textured grips in black, and no toothpick or tweezers. Prior to that it entered service in the German Army, but with green nylon scales with a German Eagle embossed. The Farmer is like the previous Soldier knife, i.e. the one actually issed to Swiss soldiers, with the addition of a saw. The old Soldier is just a Pioneer without a keyring attachment. I own both and they're both good outdoor knives. If I'm going overnighting in the woods I'll take both, the Soldier in a pouch or in my backpack, the Farmer in my pocket. But for just a day out or even for EDC I have to take the Farmer, since here in the UK we're not allowed to carry locking knives without good reason.
@@mikejeffsteel Firstly it's about the locking blade rather than a multitool per se....the law is a bit vague about what constitutes valid reason...they cite examples like it's needed for a job or hobby. I keep my rebar in a pouch containing bike repair tools, carried inside another bag so I think that's okay but I can't be 100% sure! A lot is up to the discretion of the policeman and depends on circumstances. Certainly nobody here would carry a locking blade multitool on a belt unless a tradesman. Even then they shouldn't really walk into a supermarket with it on but I guess in a village it happens.
@@mikejeffsteel Almost lol but seriously we can only carry non locking penknives with max3 inches blade. Unless you have valid reason such as a chef taking knives to work or other tradesmen, or if you're camping or fishing for example. Here in London people even look oddly at my Swiss army knife.
Farmer strikes a ferro rod very well with the saw blade kept folded, I keep a rod lanyarded to the farmer and it does everything just fine, try striking it with the saw folded
yeah, at 6:09 I think you meant to say explorer not trekker. I carry the explorer with a spirit X on my belt every day. they compliment each other nicely. good video
Assuming you don’t need pliers in your gear, the farmer is a great step up from the cadet if you are going to EDC it in the woods or to complement a fixed blade. The one handed trekker is nice as a stand alone folder for when you need a knife to get you fire but don’t need the full strength of a fixed blade but more firepower than the farmer. Of course the Classic SD always has scissors close at hand!
With the introduction of the Farmer X in 2020 the advantage is clearly back to the Farmer X over the Trekker. I don't own a Trekker but I own both a Farmer X & a pre-2017 Outrider with a slide lock & black nylon scales
For outdoors, I prefer Trekker and Nailclip 580. Can modify trekker phillips head for more outdoor functionality and replace toothpick with a mini ferro-rod. (not going to use as a primary obviously, but only emergency backup.)
The only thing I like about the Farmer is the awl. Other than that, in my opinion the Farmer offers me nothing but a waste of time. The hard rough alox scales is not something I would want to carry around in my pants pocket and it's definitely nothing I want to hold in my hands on a cold day. I used to carry a one handed open flipper pocket knife and a Swiss Champ as my EDC. 100 percent of the time when I needed a blade, I would go to my flipper because it was so convenient and then I would go to my Champ for tools like the bottle opener, can opener, and saw. I even used the magnifying glass to read cooking instruction. Then one day I found my Trekker. The Trekker eliminated the need for the flipper pocket knife. I added a pocket clip to the Trekker which glued on the side of the Trekker handle via 3m tape. I also added a peanut lighter to the key ring of the Trekker. Now it is my one and only EDC pocket knife / tool. Well...I also wear a peanut Rough Ryder knife on my neck sheath. I do miss carrying my SAK Swiss Champ which I keep in my EDC sling pouch these days. I made videos of them. By the way, good video. I subbed. :-)
I own both knives but if I could only have one of them I would take the trekker because it has more tools Plus the saw is a little longer on the trekker, the blade on the trekker locks open and the trekker has the better of the two awls. In addition to the Phillips screwdriver
I don't mean to argue ( although I am good at it) but I see them as almost the same knife. Both have saws, blades, can opener, bottle opener, awl. The funny part is ,, not only do I own both but I also have the hiker, fieldmaster, huntsman and cadet. Lol
Put a magnifying lense, tooth pick, and tweezers on the Farmer and it could be almost perfect. A lanyard attached to the key ring could make it one hand opening. I’ve survived 60+ years using slip-joint knives so a locking blade is not crucial to me. One could replace the toothpick with the compatible ferro rod, then square off the edge on the bottle opener screw driver to improve versatility. Just thoughts. But, I’ve tried and Victorinox is not interested in my thoughts. 😀
They arnt intrested in making one with a carbon blade either. But I can't really blame them, losing them and sharpening them to death is about the only thing that happens to a victorinox.
The Trekker might also be illegal---has a locking blade and the length is beyond 3`as is the saw blade. I`m assuming all `lock-able`blades are illegal in the US as it they are in the UK. Countries seem to have near identical knife laws. Casnada included. want a poket knife for EDCÉ Pioneer X. Not sure how long the saw blade is in the Farmer...i`d make sure it`s 3`or less...assuming it is. Or that could get one into trouble...on the very rare chance you`re stopped and you have to produce your knife. So odd to me that there are so many pocket knives on the market today that are mostly illegal to carry in public. :)) Most of them are. Because most have blades longer than 3`and are lockkig (liner, frame.....)...
Dont write the farmer off as a back-up survival or bushcraft knife, its capabilities are in excess of what people might think, see the following vid th-cam.com/video/KZOIIUGwbLw/w-d-xo.html building a shelter with a farmer knife.
It is the Alocs farmer for me. A true penknife. Not a particularly good or sharp blade, but you are rarely going to be attacked by a SAK wielding thug? Yet, capable of lots of little tasks. I like that, a genuine pocket/pen knife.
I like carrying a leatherman juice s2 and carry a sak usually a huntsman, or the one hand trekker. I have the explorer and it just sits in my case along with my 30 saks that are beautiful and interesting but like you said in reality, I use the juice s2 or occasionally the wave and a huntsman and i take over the world. Great vid
People make too much of one handed opening, in an emergency if you only have the use of one hand you can open any folding knife simply by holding it in your teeth.
miklospinter although the farmer has a thicker spine the trekker has the stronger main blade. the slightly rounded tip makes the tip stronger than farmer and the built up part of the blade where the thumb hole is, adds strength to the blade and makes the blade tang twice the size where it mates to the handle.
The farmer is really not much thicker at all than the 1 hand trekker, which is the perfect thickness for durability without sacrificing slicing ability.
The main difference between these 2, is that you can go to prison, and get a large fine, and a criminal record, for carrying one of them.. And the other, is within the law to carry,, Yep, it's great to live in the UK,,, Lmfao....
Yep that's true, I own both, but I only take the Trekker (well I have the Soldier which is the Swiss Army issue version, with green nylon scales and no tweezers/toothpick) if I'm going far into the countryside camping, and it's buried deep inside my rucksack. But I will often EDC the Farmer even in the city (together with a small keychain multitool like the Squirt PS4) or on bike rides along the canals, or stealthy overnighters on the edge of the city.
@@John..18 I like mine a lot especially as it's so compact and looks nice too...but the scissors aren't up to much, and also the little Phillips SD gets burred very easily. I also own a Nextool Flagship Mini which is a bit bulkier and uglier but it has fantastic scissors - a bit like the ones on the Leatherman Micra or Style CS, more like little shears - and a profiled Phillips SD with a longer reach, which is much better. I think I paid about 16 quid for it on ali, took 2 or 3 weeks to get here. I rotate between that and the Squirt on days when I'm not carrying a bag (with a larger multitool).
Chiefs500 one hand opening bigger locking main blade, bigger saw bigger locking flat driver/pry bar more ergonomic scales . phillips driver , tooth pick and tweezer . trekker not only has all the farmers tools and more but all the tools it shares with it are bigger and better. am I wrong to assume that only someone with their head buried in their own ass would call that an unfounded opinion
Apples and oranges. Both are good. Don't underrate the Farmer. the thick blade is shorter than a 111mm blade, but makes for a strong design feature. A lot of good bushcrafting gets done with it.
You are not only rude, you apparently cannot read. You made an "unsupported" claim in you original response. I did not say it was unfounded. It seems obvious to me that neither knife is "far superior" to the other; it all depends on what your intended use is. Anyone should be able to see that. For me the Farmer is a much better EDC than the Trekker. The Trekker is too big and bulky for that purpose. The awl on the Farmer is also more useful. As for the blade and saw, both are compromise tools. If I am in the woods I also carry a bushcraft or hunting knife and a small folding saw. Both of those tools are far superior to those found on the Trekker. The Trekker suits some folks but it offers no advantages to me.
Am I the only one who notices how many knife reviewers have cuts healing on their hands?
And it is funny when they say it is okay to have non-locking blades :p
One thing is having a non-lock, second thing is how you use it :P
Well you know they are sharp ! Lol
Well when u advice to use a non locking blade as a sufficient ferro rod striker lol
Maybe if they were playing with fire they’d have burns so it makes perfect sense to me. Swiss Army Knives don’t usually need locking blades in my opinion, except for the 111mm ones. Victor Unix has got it right already.
The red knife... You call it a Trekker... Later you call it a Traveller, but surely it's actually an Explorer.
I think the reason people compare the 2 is that in fact the Pioneer i.e. Farmer without saw blade was the actual ''Swiss Army Knife'' meaning that it was issued to the Swiss Army 1961-2008. From 2008 to present the ''Soldier'' i.e. One-handed Trekker, but just with green nylon scales with grips in an ''Adidas'' 3 stripe configuration on each end of the scales, is issued to the Swiss Army. The Germany Army Issue knife (from the 90s I think) is the same but has plain olive green nylon scales with a Bundesadler (German Eagle) motif on them. Anyway I do have both. The Farmer is my EDC on a rotation with the Hiker, the Hiker because it has more or less the same toolset as the current Swiss / German Army issue knife (i.e. the one-handed Trekker). But I can't EDC the one-handed Trekker here in the UK because (a) the blade is longer than 3 inches and (b) it's a locking blade. The Soldier is for when I go wild camping / bushcrafting and anyway I'm going above and beyond those limitations, as I carry a fixed blade knife - Mora or Linder - and the Soldier is secondary. I just like having a saw capability as EDC although I very rarely use it. For scissors I also EDC a Classic, they're small but very capable. Plus a ''medium'' multitool for pliers and extra blade, the SOG microclip, or a bladeless Gerber MP600 if I'm carrying a bag, again both are UK EDC legal, unlike most Leathermans. The Squirt is just too small to be of any use for fixing my mountain bike or whatever.
I carry the _Pioneer X_ for daily EDC and the _Soldier 08_ if I'm somewhere in the outskirts like in the forrest, the mountains or even somewhere in my backyard.
The beauty with Victorinox knifes is that you can choose from so many models, depending on what functions might be more or less important for anyone. ;)
Setup? Huntsman in the pocket, and WorkChamp in the backpack. If I dont have backpack? SwissChamp ofc
I disagree and personally think that they're extremely similar except for their sizes. Otherwise, it's a great review and always nice to see a SAK discussion.
I keep the One Hand trekker in my medkit, because even though it is big, it has every tool I need, including one hand opening
Have to say I'm always a little surprised at how many videos mention a SAKs ability (or lack thereof) to strike a ferro rod. Just about every rod I've bought in recent years has had a dedicated striker tethered to the handle, which I much prefer to putting extra wear on any of the tools on my SAK.
John Montgomery I bought the farmer to use the ask as as a Ferro did striker as its at one end of the knife and it works like a dream.
maybe use a external side of woodsaw
John Montgomery i agree
I have seen videos from the Walker where he throws massive sparks from the farmers Awl.
Use the spine of the wood saw; it's 90 degrees and perfect for striking ferro rods.
My SAK 111mm knives (Rucksack and Forester) ride in an old, leather single mag pouch. I have a nylon pouch for inclement weather. An SAK Spartan goes in the pocket. I generally carry the 111mm knives when I am working outside or in the woods. Today, my OHT should arrive!
Functionally identical.
Both cap lifter and can opener have hooks for pulling twine and hooking pots, awls work for splinters etc etc
Maybe it's a tenuous link but the thing they have in common is the Swiss Military. The OHT is the civilian version of the Soldier knife, which has been issued to the Swiss Army since 2008, with green nylon scales and textured grips in black, and no toothpick or tweezers. Prior to that it entered service in the German Army, but with green nylon scales with a German Eagle embossed.
The Farmer is like the previous Soldier knife, i.e. the one actually issed to Swiss soldiers, with the addition of a saw. The old Soldier is just a Pioneer without a keyring attachment.
I own both and they're both good outdoor knives. If I'm going overnighting in the woods I'll take both, the Soldier in a pouch or in my backpack, the Farmer in my pocket. But for just a day out or even for EDC I have to take the Farmer, since here in the UK we're not allowed to carry locking knives without good reason.
I don't live in England but, isn't everyday tasks a good reason to carry a multi tool? I mean what else would be a good reason?
@@mikejeffsteel Firstly it's about the locking blade rather than a multitool per se....the law is a bit vague about what constitutes valid reason...they cite examples like it's needed for a job or hobby. I keep my rebar in a pouch containing bike repair tools, carried inside another bag so I think that's okay but I can't be 100% sure! A lot is up to the discretion of the policeman and depends on circumstances. Certainly nobody here would carry a locking blade multitool on a belt unless a tradesman. Even then they shouldn't really walk into a supermarket with it on but I guess in a village it happens.
@@simonh6371 Ha! I've heard that, in the UK, you could be arrested for even carrying a picture of a knife! :D
@@mikejeffsteel Almost lol but seriously we can only carry non locking penknives with max3 inches blade. Unless you have valid reason such as a chef taking knives to work or other tradesmen, or if you're camping or fishing for example. Here in London people even look oddly at my Swiss army knife.
I own the one hand trekker , Swiss champ , pioneer , and the waiter . All four have a purpose
Farmer strikes a ferro rod very well with the saw blade kept folded, I keep a rod lanyarded to the farmer and it does everything just fine, try striking it with the saw folded
Exactly.
Or one could put a piece of wood under the saw to keep it partially opened for even better ... striking ... experience. :-)
"But who really gives a shit" lol caught me off guard and made me laugh
After having watch this video again as it was in my feed again, I have reconsidered my views on the Farmer X. I think I want one for my edc.
yeah, at 6:09 I think you meant to say explorer not trekker. I carry the explorer with a spirit X on my belt every day. they compliment each other nicely. good video
I subscribed at the "they don't have a damn thing to do with each other." I know this is gonna be good.
Assuming you don’t need pliers in your gear, the farmer is a great step up from the cadet if you are going to EDC it in the woods or to complement a fixed blade. The one handed trekker is nice as a stand alone folder for when you need a knife to get you fire but don’t need the full strength of a fixed blade but more firepower than the farmer. Of course the Classic SD always has scissors close at hand!
With the introduction of the Farmer X in 2020 the advantage is clearly back to the Farmer X over the Trekker. I don't own a Trekker but I own both a Farmer X & a pre-2017 Outrider with a slide lock & black nylon scales
For outdoors, I prefer Trekker and Nailclip 580. Can modify trekker phillips head for more outdoor functionality and replace toothpick with a mini ferro-rod. (not going to use as a primary obviously, but only emergency backup.)
The only thing I like about the Farmer is the awl. Other than that, in my opinion the Farmer offers me nothing but a waste of time. The hard rough alox scales is not something I would want to carry around in my pants pocket and it's definitely nothing I want to hold in my hands on a cold day.
I used to carry a one handed open flipper pocket knife and a Swiss Champ as my EDC. 100 percent of the time when I needed a blade, I would go to my flipper because it was so convenient and then I would go to my Champ for tools like the bottle opener, can opener, and saw. I even used the magnifying glass to read cooking instruction.
Then one day I found my Trekker. The Trekker eliminated the need for the flipper pocket knife. I added a pocket clip to the Trekker which glued on the side of the Trekker handle via 3m tape. I also added a peanut lighter to the key ring of the Trekker. Now it is my one and only EDC pocket knife / tool. Well...I also wear a peanut Rough Ryder knife on my neck sheath.
I do miss carrying my SAK Swiss Champ which I keep in my EDC sling pouch these days. I made videos of them. By the way, good video. I subbed. :-)
Trekker is too big for a pocket, but if I go somewhere (woods) in addition to my Farmer I will take some fix blade knife
My dream knife would be a One Hand Farmer.
Place your thumb on the side of the saw when using as a striker and it want close on you.
one is for the guy in a suit -the other is for the guy in work pants
Who needs a saw if your in a suit?
What about the serrated blade option on Trakker?
I own both knives but if I could only have one of them I would take the trekker because it has more tools Plus the saw is a little longer on the trekker, the blade on the trekker locks open and the trekker has the better of the two awls. In addition to the Phillips screwdriver
Great review mate. Thanks
Choosed BOTH ,and third Compact for urban carry :-) Great video ,btw !
three great knives thanks for the look
I'm wondering, should I get this knife or the special edition Color Twins?
show your swiss army knife collection if you hvea collection
I don't mean to argue ( although I am good at it) but I see them as almost the same knife. Both have saws, blades, can opener, bottle opener, awl. The funny part is ,, not only do I own both but I also have the hiker, fieldmaster, huntsman and cadet. Lol
You must be an enthusiast i presume?
Welcome to crazy fanboy world :3
I also own half a dozen of them, Victorinox just grows on you.
You started to have too many similar things LOL. But i totally understand that :)
Where to buy that Ti hand shovel?
This that or the other = 9 times
Dah de dah de dah = 4 times
Put a magnifying lense, tooth pick, and tweezers on the Farmer and it could be almost perfect. A lanyard attached to the key ring could make it one hand opening. I’ve survived 60+ years using slip-joint knives so a locking blade is not crucial to me.
One could replace the toothpick with the compatible ferro rod, then square off the edge on the bottle opener screw driver to improve versatility.
Just thoughts. But, I’ve tried and Victorinox is not interested in my thoughts. 😀
They arnt intrested in making one with a carbon blade either. But I can't really blame them, losing them and sharpening them to death is about the only thing that happens to a victorinox.
@@davidjustice1848 You are spot on!
How about a 108 mm walker with a good carbon blade and nice sheath
The trekker is pretty much the hiker with a locking blade and no secondary blade.
The Trekker might also be illegal---has a locking blade and the length is beyond 3`as is the saw blade. I`m assuming all `lock-able`blades are illegal in the US as it they are in the UK. Countries seem to have near identical knife laws. Casnada included.
want a poket knife for EDCÉ Pioneer X. Not sure how long the saw blade is in the Farmer...i`d make sure it`s 3`or less...assuming it is. Or that could get one into trouble...on the very rare chance you`re stopped and you have to produce your knife.
So odd to me that there are so many pocket knives on the market today that are mostly illegal to carry in public. :)) Most of them are. Because most have blades longer than 3`and are lockkig (liner, frame.....)...
The farmer is excellent.
No idea what the guy is on? But I would like some! 🇬🇧
I do carry all three...love all of them
Dont write the farmer off as a back-up survival or bushcraft knife, its capabilities are in excess of what people might think, see the following vid th-cam.com/video/KZOIIUGwbLw/w-d-xo.html building a shelter with a farmer knife.
Knew that would be Vinnie before I clicked on it even lol
It is the Alocs farmer for me. A true penknife. Not a particularly good or sharp blade, but you are rarely going to be attacked by a SAK wielding thug? Yet, capable of lots of little tasks. I like that, a genuine pocket/pen knife.
Layers. :)
3 / 4 layers.
Ok so I need both. Got it.
3:09 that there is a flat head skrewdriver. Jk nice video man
If i could get my oht moded to have scissors it would be perfect
Mike Files buy a gardener rangergrip
Farmer for EDC, Trekker for camping. Easy.
I like carrying a leatherman juice s2 and carry a sak usually a huntsman, or the one hand trekker. I have the explorer and it just sits in my case along with my 30 saks that are beautiful and interesting but like you said in reality, I use the juice s2 or occasionally the wave and a huntsman and i take over the world. Great vid
Can't see the video
I carry the Rangergrip 78.
That knife is a bloody tank! :D
People make too much of one handed opening, in an emergency if you only have the use of one hand you can open any folding knife simply by holding it in your teeth.
Your Explorer gets my vote.
The biggest saw for me
Great review, thanks
For me my edc is the farmer
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"I don't know why people compare these knives..." Yet you spend 11 minutes doing just that. 🤔
You said you are going to show how much thicker the Alox main blade is but I guess you forgot. It's a big difference.
miklospinter although the farmer has a thicker spine the trekker has the stronger main blade. the slightly rounded tip makes the tip stronger than farmer and the built up part of the blade where the thumb hole is, adds strength to the blade and makes the blade tang twice the size where it mates to the handle.
The farmer is really not much thicker at all than the 1 hand trekker, which is the perfect thickness for durability without sacrificing slicing ability.
miklospinter he did show it.
Trekker plus multitool for me
good choice
cool
Not uk legal
Lol the shit scoop 🤣
Stop saying, “of course”.
Huntsman!!!!
The main difference between these 2, is that you can go to prison, and get a large fine, and a criminal record, for carrying one of them..
And the other, is within the law to carry,,
Yep, it's great to live in the UK,,, Lmfao....
Yep that's true, I own both, but I only take the Trekker (well I have the Soldier which is the Swiss Army issue version, with green nylon scales and no tweezers/toothpick) if I'm going far into the countryside camping, and it's buried deep inside my rucksack. But I will often EDC the Farmer even in the city (together with a small keychain multitool like the Squirt PS4) or on bike rides along the canals, or stealthy overnighters on the edge of the city.
@@simonh6371
Totally agree,, the squirt is the best little multi tool I've ever bought,, I seldom go anywhere without mine,, 👍
@@John..18 I like mine a lot especially as it's so compact and looks nice too...but the scissors aren't up to much, and also the little Phillips SD gets burred very easily. I also own a Nextool Flagship Mini which is a bit bulkier and uglier but it has fantastic scissors - a bit like the ones on the Leatherman Micra or Style CS, more like little shears - and a profiled Phillips SD with a longer reach, which is much better. I think I paid about 16 quid for it on ali, took 2 or 3 weeks to get here. I rotate between that and the Squirt on days when I'm not carrying a bag (with a larger multitool).
the trekker is far superior to the farmer.
An unsupported opinion, at best.
Chiefs500 one hand opening bigger locking main blade, bigger saw bigger locking flat driver/pry bar more ergonomic scales . phillips driver , tooth pick and tweezer . trekker not only has all the farmers tools and more but all the tools it shares with it are bigger and better. am I wrong to assume that only someone with their head buried in their own ass would call that an unfounded opinion
Apples and oranges. Both are good. Don't underrate the Farmer. the thick blade is shorter than a 111mm blade, but makes for a strong design feature. A lot of good bushcrafting gets done with it.
You are not only rude, you apparently cannot read. You made an "unsupported" claim in you original response. I did not say it was unfounded. It seems obvious to me that neither knife is "far superior" to the other; it all depends on what your intended use is. Anyone should be able to see that. For me the Farmer is a much better EDC than the Trekker. The Trekker is too big and bulky for that purpose. The awl on the Farmer is also more useful. As for the blade and saw, both are compromise tools. If I am in the woods I also carry a bushcraft or hunting knife and a small folding saw. Both of those tools are far superior to those found on the Trekker. The Trekker suits some folks but it offers no advantages to me.
Deff
farmer X