Plain vs Serrated - Which Blade is better/ more versatile? Victorinox Forester vs Soldier's Knife 08
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- In this video I compare The Victorinox Soldier 08 (serrated edge / combo edge) with a Victorinox Forester (straight edge). I explain you the physical avantages of a serrated edge and i make a lot of cutting test's. Which knife is the better allrounder?
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Dear friends, I will take a short summer break to recharge my batteries and to enjoy the vacation with my family. I'll be back with a new video on August 27th. See you and take care...
Have a wonderful vacation and all the best to you and your family Felix .
Enjoy!
Enjoy the time with your family you have earned it!
Have a nice holidays!
Have a fantastic vacation and enjoy your time away from TH-cam. I look forward to you coming back and your creative ideas.
Felix, l am 72 years old, and have been carrying a pocket knife since l was 10 years old.
In my personal experience, if both types of blades are equally sharp, then there is no practical difference in cutting ability, but as the edge wears down, the serrated edge has an advantage in that the crests (or points) might wear but the points actually protect the scalloped part of the blade. In this way the serrated blade just might continue to cut after the straight edge starts to lose it's ability to perform. Some might say that this advantage is lost when you compare the difficulty of sharpening a serrated edge (especially in the bush).
I also have a slight aversion to serrated edges in bushcraft/camping, as l can always grab a river stone to touch up the edge on my camp knife, but don't ever try this with a serrated blade. (Also feathering a stick for fire starting is easier with a straight edge.)
Some fibrous materials can be cut more easily with a serrated blade, but generally a sharp edge on a good steel blade will perform more than adequately.
In the kitchen l prefer the serrated edge, and for daily carry and bushcraft duties l prefer the straight edge.
Your video was excellent...there really is no clear cut winner.
Have a great "vacation"...see you in the fall.
I came into the comments to say exactly the same. If both knives are sharpened to a razor, there will be little difference, but knives dont stay that sharp for long. With a 'normal' user level of sharpness, the serrated edge really shines.
@@Martyntd5 Good points all around and I've got to add my agreement that if blade use longevity is key then the serrated edge of the soldier wins out imo. And this is coming from my experience of using my One Handed Trekker daily for work duty in construction which consists of cutting cardboard, nylon strapping, plastic, shaving wood, and much more for over 15 years. It is harder to sharpen then a straight edge but at least In the Victorinox steel the serrated blade holds a usable edge longer then the non serrated blade imo. Especially if your talking versatility of cutting as the serrated blade can be used in a sawing manner as well for hard plastic and wood materials that your trying to cut or notch.
@@duncdunc76 With regard to sharpening the soldier, the serrations are just on one side. I use a diamond hone to sharpen the opposite side. I leave the serrations alone. There is no bevel at all on the opposite side, so I just create one with the hone. Start very small and each time you sharpen, the edge bevel will get a bit bigger. Eventually I will lose the serrations and it'll become a plain edge, but it'll take a good long time ...and then I will sharpen both sides, just like any other plain edge knife.
No, it's not "if both types of blade are equally sharp, then there is no difference in cutting ability." It's rather that the straight edge knife must be razor sharp for it do as well as well as any serrated knife, whether the serrated knife is really sharp or not. If a straight edge knife isn't proper sharp, all it's doing is pushing against tomatoes, loaves of bread, rope, zip ties, and so on.
@@Martyntd5 Correct. I have numerous (Victorinox) steak and kitchen knives, where the serrations have almost disappeared, and it is very difficult to get a decent edge on them. The serrations are now so shallow that it is hard to sharpen that side. What I think I'll do is grind away the serrations and use them as straight edges, with quite a large secondary bevel. I won't replace them with serrated blades. In fact, I've decided against using serrated blades altogether. They are just too much hassle.
I would say that the biggest advantage of the serrated blade is in its performance when dull. Whereas a plain edge will make cleaner cuts, the serrated edge will continue to cut long after the plain edge has become too dull to do the job. For me, this is what makes it a good choice for soldiers - they can get good enough cutting performance even when stressful conditions mean they can't properly maintain the blade.
Hello Charles. That is an super interesting aspect!
@ Charles Collier, Yep and that advantage extends to basically every other person that works hard with their blade and isn't always able to be careful to keep the edge protected and perfect. Having the serrated blade on your edc knife works great for so many that need the neglected blade to still perform the cutting task.
@@duncdunc76 that's fair.
Yup, great for lazy caretakers like me…
Plus… bread 🥖 !
+1 for serrated 😄
if both are sharp its hard to tell but a dull serated knife is usually more effective than a dull straight knife, serrated can be better when it wont be maintained
But for 95% of people, serrated blades are impossible to sharpen !
I've got 40yrs of Handyman, Technical experience and I can't sharpen a dual sided serrated blade !
@@edwardfletcher7790 a Victorinox serrated blade is serated like a chissel. One side completely flat. I´ce done it and it´s reasonably easy.
@@edwardfletcher7790 The standard sharpener from victorinox has a groove in the center to sharpen the serrations.
@@T37912 I know the Victorinox is single sided, but 90% of serrated blades aren't.
That's why I said "I can't sharpen dual sided serrated blades !"
Serrated is great for bread and steak, otherwise it's a PITA and doesn't belong on a pocket knife, single OR double sided !
@@edwardfletcher7790 That because you never used the Bear Grylls sharpen stone.
Good charge and better summer. Come back again soon, when you’re ok
Thank you so much!
@@FelixImmler Here's a video you'll enjoy, Felix, about a special home-made pocket tool: th-cam.com/video/mRc7ZDRcgrQ/w-d-xo.html
Felix my friend, you keep your tools so sharp I wouldn't be surprised if you get good results even if you were cutting with a spoon 😂.
Enjoy your time off TH-cam, will be looking forward to your next video in August🙂
Ain´t that the truth 🤣🤣🧽
Your videos are quite educational and practical in ways that most videos mask with showmanship... And you're still a showman! Well done, sir.
Thank you very much!
@@FelixImmler You're very welcome!
For my collection, I prefer straight edge, but just started to edc a serrated blade at work.
We will wait for your return, Felix. 🥳
Ideas:
Knife destruction. Torture test. How much stress can the combo tool take before the brass pins bend/break? How much torque to snap a blade? How much force to snap the "claw" off the can opener? Is that amount of force humanly possible? How long will the wood saw stay sharp when used to cut metal?
Being Swiss, maybe a review of the history or lineage of the Victorinox company. Maybe show us if SAKs are sold in your local stores, and how your fellow countrymen feel about them/how many other people say they carry/use them.
A lot of people here in the United States say the reason they won't carry a one is because the blade doesn't lock (on the pocket knives). Maybe discuss how the slip joint locking blade design allows the SAKs to be sold world wide, bypassing some knife laws that would hang up other manufacturers.
Cheers! 🍻
Your videos are so informative. Your happy personality is contagious, and you almost always make me smile.
I can now do so much more with my many swiss army knives, and I know of no one else that teaches so many carving skills.
Thank you, and God Bless you and your family today!
Dear Scott. Thanks you so much for this wonderful compliment!
Ich schaue sogut wie keine Videos auf englisch da ich einfach kein Talent für diese Sprache habe.
Dein Auftreten, diese Sypantie und die Themen zwingen mich allerdings dazu.
Dank deiner gefühlten 1000 Videos verbessern sich auch meine Englischkenntnisse! Danke dafür und lg aus Österreich ☺️
The SAK gets it right! The Serrations at the Blade tip for cutting, and the plain blade on the inner side for carving something simple.
Since I discovered the SAK serrated blade with my rescue knife I like it a lot! I think for edc purpose it's even better the the plain blade. 👍🏼
Have a nice Holiday ☝🏽😊
What do you use the serrated edge for? In which cases is it better than the straight one? Asking because it seems harder to sharpen and offers no obvious benefits
@@dimitrijekrstic7567 I mainly cut food with it. It actually hardly gets dull, and I find it cuts a bit better. Don't forget that Felix' Plain Edge knives have razor Sharpness, my have a normal sharpness.
And I like the idea of having the serrated blade as urban edc. In case of an emergency it cuts cloth better then the plain edge.
@@dimitrijekrstic7567 The serrated blade tends to cut plastic and nylon straping better as well as being able to be used in a sawing fashion that also allows you to cut harder plastics and some woods. And as many have said in the comment section the serrated blade also shine when abused as it will hold a usable edge longer then a plain edge blade of the same steel. And lastly as has also been said by many, the Victorinox serrated design of their blade with the serrations starting at the tip and a small section of plain at the base is a great design.
I too have both knives. The serrated knife is the only one that I have found to have the serration on the usable side of the blade for right-handed use for “shaving” wood, as you demonstrated in the video. Victorinox knives have been a part of my everyday carry for many years. Thanks for your wonderful videos and your happy demeanor.
Hello Terry. Your feedback makes me happy. Thank you!
Thank you for everything you have taught us, Felix. You have changed my life for the better. I have always had a Swiss Army Knife, but rarely carried it. Now I carry it and use it far more often than I would have if I had not seen your videos. I have a better understanding of how to use the tools. I even bought the Hiker model in order to have a saw! I love it. You deserve a break. Take your time. See you when you come back.
That's why I love my swisstool X. Having two full length blades, one straight and one serrated gives you the best of both worlds.
good argument!
My wife and I are happy you are taking a TH-cam break to be with your family! We will miss you and look forward to seeing you in a month Felix! Thank you for all the work you do. God bless you and your family.
Have a great summer Felix! And thanks a lot for your effort, inspiration, fun, very interesting information and sharing your great ideas and expertise!
Thanks a lot!!
Felix, I hope you truly appreciate how much we look forward to your weekly uploads. Speaking only for me, as much as one man can 'love' what another provides through videos, I think YOU are the BEST. May "The Creator" (God) look after you and your family, only having the best for y'all happening. ✨🤗✨
I liked (a lot) that you were able to set aside your preconceptions and do a proper test for all of us, with the two blades. Thanks you.
Excellent video, my friend! Really enjoyed the comparison tests and I was also surprised at the results. I hope you have a great holiday and enjoy the time with your family and we'll be waiting for you when you start posting again at the end of August.
We'll be waiting! Have a good family vacations, enjoy! Ciao!
Thank you! 😃
Resting regular life is like resting while working in the forest. You actually get more work done when rested and improve your chance of survival. Rest well, Felix, and we will see you later!
I love your down to earth, practical, no nonsense attitude and approach...Rest well !
Hey, I've wondered about this for years and years. Thank you for making this video. It is really informative for me.
A sharp knife is all you need. The rest depends on the job you want to do and your personal preferences….
Thanks for your feedback !!
I completely agree
Yeah it seems to me that these were both sharp enough to the point that it didn't matter which one you chose. And as some others have suggested, it might be that when dull, the serated edge is better. So for anyone who sharpens their knives, there might be no advantage to having a serated edge. Plus, it's harder to sharpen a serated edge
Hands down is the Trekker with the partial serrations and a conventional grind area for fine work . Needle file or DMT round diamond steel for the serrations - followed by a leather strop . Climbers using rope comes to mind . Thanks Master Immler .
Thank for your explanation!
@Quantum Mechanic - You are spot on and the hole in the blade was made larger with a Dremel tool and file . serrations are deeper and more aggressive . A buffing wheel is faster than using a strop . 2 feet of paracord for the lanyard . Take a guess what knives have been used more for Mt Everest climbs and major climbing expeditions .
I too find a round diamond file necessary to properly sharpen a serrated edge. Much more work than a plain blade.
Have a nice Holiday, Felix.
@@UTClans_88UT Knives used most on Everest climbs and other expeditions ? I would bet money on Wenger and Victorinox Swiss army knives and Opinel .
It's the age old debate of serrated vs plain edge. I'm sure a lot of people thought there would be a clear winner, but both are great blades.
I'm happy with the combo edge on my Soldiers knife. It's definitely my favorite folding knife and far more capable than many would give it credit for. As far as serrated blades go, the wavy serrations really make it fairly easy to sharpen.
What I really like about your videos: 100 percent credible and authentic! Simply more trustworthy than most. Thank you!
Great video. I've always wondered about their comparison. I personally prefer straight edge because it's easier to sharpen.
Felix ..you are the BEST !!
GO recharge your batteries !1
REALLY enjoy your videos !!
Thank you so much!
Felix I always look forward to your videos as they are very informative and I learn a lot from them. I also like how you do the actual comparisons as you really show how they work and how each has an advantage over the other. I have also learned so much things that I did not know I could do with my swiss knife. Thank you for the knowledge!
a much needed comparison video. thanks!
I have a trekker that came with the serrated edge. It worked well for cutting food, but it didn t seem as good for other tasks. So i filed the serrations off
Thanks for the tip!
Thanks for the video Felix. I have used a combination straight (mid-blade to tip) and serrated mid-blade to handle for cutting fish samples. I have found that the serrated part of the blade gives me better results cutting through bone while the straight part of the blade is better to cleanly cut or dissect the fleshy parts. Interesting video on sharp blades. I would be interested in seeing a similar test with a dull blade. I think with a dull knife the straight blade would be much worse but that the serrated blade would still work ok. Enjoy your break. See you next month. Cheers. Vince
Enjoy your vacation from TH-cam -- hope to see you refreshed when you come back - thank you for your work !!
Another great video. I appreciate the practical, relevant, open minded and fair way you test things. Your statement "Easier to sharpen in the field" convinced me that straight/plain edge is the best for me. Thanks!
For me the sharpening would decide it. Would be interesting to see more on that.
Btw, minor correction bread crust, not crumbs - these are little pieces when you cut bread.
Thanks. Enjoy your recharge. We'll be waiting
Thanks for your hint!
Bread crust makes crumbs . lol
Have a great rest of your summer, hopefully you get that recharge you’re looking for Felix!! Family is very important so go enjoy yours and we’ll see you back at the end of august :)
That's the plan! 😃 Thanks a lot
@@FelixImmler awesome!!!! Enjoy it!!
One of my favorite TH-cam channels. Felix, you are blessed with the gift of communication and a fun-loving spirit which is inspirational. Love you videos for their content, and for their delivery. Enjoy your holiday with your family, God bless Felix.
Who doesn't love Felix :-)) - These video's are just great - I have to say that I have a Soldier 08 and a Ranger Grip 79 with plain edge. Whilst the Ranger Grip is a totally superb knife I find the Soldier's serrated edge stays sharper longer - I wouldn't be without either of them though.
Thanks a lot for your compliment!
the victorinox serrations and chisel grind are really great in the left hand. Held with the left hand the edge doesn't dive into the wood. I find that with the small straight edge segment at the base of the blade, almost all bases are covered with a Trekker or Soldier. The serrations also create very fine fuzz sticks for firelighting. Sharpening is easily done without special equipment; I just use the corner of the edge of a pocket diamond plate that I use for all my straight edge blades. Also, the chisel grind being nearly half the overall edge angle compared to a plain edge means the knife is very sharp and capable of fine cutting. Great video!
Thanks a lot for your feedback!
Interesting comparison and I'll stay with the Trekker serrated model . Thanks and have a great weekend mr. Immler .
Thanks a lot for your interesting feedback!
Thanks for the video.
I have read a lot of discussions on this topic in the past.
One of the coolest things I read was written by a sailor, he says that the traditional blade cuts the rope better, but the serrated blade stays sharp longer when used on the rope.
I forgot to watch this video! Very honest, I agree with your conclusion.
Personally I prefer the serrated, the ease of sharpening in the field is a good point, I always bring a little stone with me to be able to di that.
Thanks a lot for your feedback!
Great videos!!!
Thanks a lot Lucas!
Great video and good comparison. At the end you give the upper hand to the straight edge because of the easier field sharpening. But you should also consider that the serrated one will stay usable for much longer before it needs sharpening. Also with the Victorinox pen-like sharpener, it’s pretty easy to sharpen those serrations everywhere you might find yourself.
With all that said, I also prefer straight edges, but appreciate the usability and durability of the serrations. I just prefer them like in most Leathermans - one straight edge and separate serrated one.
Keep up the good work,
Davis
Thanks a lot for your super interesting feedback!
This is really honest & not biased review. Keep up the good work!
have fun recharging and thank you very much for your videos!
Really impressive explanation, greeting from India🙏
Thank you so much!
Happy Friday Mr. Projector
I think what knife u use, depends on what u r having to cut. Like with bread I prefer a serrated blade, but with an onion or tomato I prefer a straight blade.. and BTW, I get why they make those combo blades but I can't stand them. Cuz there is too little of each on the one blade and unless u r cutting something small, the serrated part gets in the way and is too little to work when u need it. So I just carry my Swiss army hunter that has both straight blades but also the serrated blade that is separate. LOL. But u do u I guess and carry whatever works for u. :)
Enjoy your vacation. Great video as always. Thank you for your work
This is a perfect video for me! I’ve been considering exactly these two knives, and wondering about the merits of straight vs. serrated both in bushcraft and for cooking. I really like your honesty-if you couldn’t tell which was better, you said so, instead of trying to pick a winner. Thank you for this!!
I was always under the impression (how I got it I don't know) that mountain troops worked with lots of rope and webbing (because it's the mountains). So I'm pleasantly surprised by how well the fine edge did. But since I have both blades in my 'collection' (stash, horde, pile) I'll keep 'em both.
Good video. Straight edge! Cut rye bread with the saw😁
Excellent and honest review! I and all my family also prefer the straight edge knives, but still have serrated edge for certain tasks! You have to keep your health Felix! Family is everything, enjoy your time off! Chow!
Thank you so much Jack!
Thank you for the interesting comparison. I always enjoy watching your videos and learn so much!
Thank you for taking the time to make such an amazing and informative video! Best to you always
What I don't like about most partially serrated blades is that the serrations are near the handle and the straight edge is at the end of the blade. This makes doing fine carving difficult.
I like that this knife has the straight edge near the handle.
Thanks for this valuable hint!
Seat belt test, the cut was started with the straight part of the blade. you may have been halfway through the cut before the serrations came in contact.
It is possible that for things like rope, the serrations may work better as the knife dulls. An example is a sharp razor blade can cut heavy rope, but a dull one will not. A dull hack saw blade will cut the rope. It will be messy, but it will cut. I just bought a marine model that has partial serrations. I am thinking about grinding them off. The serrations may work better, but I just don't like them. The other tools in the knife I like, so I just can not replace the knife with something else.
Have a nice vacation away from TH-cam. Things should be fun to do. When they become a job, it is work, not fun.
i 100% agree with your comment!
This is my first time to watch one of your videos. And I'm really amazed by how simplistic and realistic your content is
Awesome test, thank you Felix. Happy vacation for you and your family take care.
Isn’t it possible that more difference shows only when the knives become more dull?
That's exactly what I am thinking. That's why the community of "non sharpeners" uses only serrated blades in their kitchens for cutting and the dull plain blades for buttering toasts.😁
@@MK-vl6py Interesting points . I use a few serrated blades in the kitchen and use a round jewelers file and round DMT diamond steel to keep them razor sharp just like the Victorinox partially serrated Trekker . Have a great weekend M K .
Yeah i think the Same if it is Dull the serration will Help a Lot
Have a nice Day
Greatz from Germany opo
I believe serrated knives often dull more slowly as well.
@@evanf1443
that must be true because, the shortest way is a straight line and a longer blade has more points of contact to even out the wear.
Take as long as you need, Felix, and enjoy the time with your family. You've already given us so much excellent content this year that we cannot complain.
I look forward to seeing you return fully refreshed :-)
I completely understand my friend. Enjoy your family and thank soo much for the videos
Totaly understandable!
Entertaining and informativ as always. Thank you and ciao🙋
I think a dull serrated edge will always prove more useful than a straight edge. It may not cut but will still tear, whilst the straight edge may suffer and just continue to dull itself
I'm requesting for a long time ago, how to sharpening serrated blade?
With a tapered diamond file. Check out eze lap or dmt
The Spyderco Sharpmaker is the most straightforward tool for serrations. It uses triangular profile ceramic stones that you just draw your blade over.
Just do a youtube search for Sharpmaker for more info. It’s similar to what Felix was using for sharpening his knives at the beginning of this video.
Thank you, Felix, for this very interesting comparison. Enjoy your holiday!
I watch every video you make Felix! Enjoy your vacation and recharging. You surprised me with the versatility of the serrated edge.
I never saw a serrated knife that I liked...hahahaha All personal prefference of course. hahaha Just don't like the feel of them. Rest up brother.. we'll be here when you get back.. P.S. been using your toggle lashing trick a lot.. Thanks for that idea..
Thanks a lot for your kind comment!
I think Victorinox made a VERY GOOD decision to put the serrated part near the tip and NOT near the handle. Personally, I hate serrated edges close to the handle.
Great videos Felix. So informative. you just helped me make a descision between thesew two knives. Thank you for sharing your expertise.
Thank you for the work it took to conduct this comparison test.
I agree with your analysis. Great video Felix!
The vegetables at 3:04 look so perfect that one may think they're made of plastic. But then you remember it's Switzerland and nothing is less than perfect there. I can assure you that after traveling across the country in the Spring of 2019.
Thanks for the great comparison video dear Felix, have an awesome vacation!
Thanks for the review, I've always found the serrated blade useful on very rare occasions. You have confirmed my confidence
Great comparison!
Totally agree with you
Thank you Felix for this intresting video. Enjoy the time with the family.
Thanks a lot!
Enjoy your break! Thanks for videos!
Thanks for watching!
Enjoy your holiday, Felix! You and your family deserve it!
Thanks Felix, enjoy your rest and recuperation.
love these video's mate keep them rolling.
Thank you for another excellent review!
Great video on the differences in the blades. Thanks!
Enjoy the holiday! Well deserved. We can always go over your great older videos if we miss you. Thanks for what you do.
Love your videos. Have a great time off and be filled with new power!
Thank you for making this video. I was uncertain of what to choose, but now I know... 😊
Have a great holiday! Thanks for the videos!
We love you Felix! I’m glad you took a YT vacation! Thanks for all your work! You’re a friend even though you don’t know us. Peace be with you
Thank you, Felix, for such an in-depth comparison
of both types of blades. Definitely an eye opener!!
Thanks a lot for this compliment!
Enjoy your summer break Felix! As always, a wonderful video.
What an outstanding video! I never thought a serrated blade could match up to a traditional straight edge knife! The ability to sharpen is very important though, so I am glad you thought of this.
Sehr schön die Unterschiede gezeigt und den Einsatzmöglichkeiten.Danke.
Felix, you are never boring, love your videos - Thanks.
Thanks for this compliment!
Another excellent project and thank you for showing us.
Awesome! Exact same conclusion I have reached, but it took me almost 35 years and lots of knifes and experiences, whereas you demonstrated such, very effectively in only minutes for your fortunate viewers. I EDC a Victorinox Sentinel single hand, non serrated clip lately.
Not as quick and easy to use with one hand as my previous EDCs which I still got for a ways back, but it's plenty fast enough once you get good with it, just gotta master left hand lock with right hand, cause I'm right handed, but I've always been able to close right hand locks with my left hand anyway, so I had it instantly once I stopped trying it the other way. I love my Sentinel. I can quick slice clean across an 8x10" sheet of paper with it. I do it all the time, and barely have to try to keep it sharp. It gets plenty of use. I got that swiss pen sharpener, and I strop it on a natural ergonomically shaped Phellinus igniarius bracket fungus, which works for smoldering as well. I carry a palm sized one in my small cargo pocket. The Iceman Ozzy had some on him. It works great. Love you videos, great job.
Thank you for this video; it reflects exactly the variables of my upcoming Victorinox purchase, and shows sufficient evidence to help me ultimately make a well-informed decision.
Thanks a lot for this wonderful feedback!
perfect comparison. It confirms exactly my experiences during many years using both blade types outdoors as well as in the kitchen. My preferences nowadays are more towards straight blades.
I hope you have a wonderful holiday with your family! Thanks for all the awesome videos, and take care of yourself!
Thank you for conducting a fine comparison test with these two types of blades.
Thanks a lot!