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Conversion therapy is the practice of "curing" gay people by trying to turn them straight through counseling and lifestyle restrictions. The practice dates back to the early Freudian period, when homosexuality was considered pathological and attempts to treat it were deemed appropriate. Today, however, homosexuality has been removed from the American Psychiatric Association's list of mental disorders, and conversion therapy is considered ineffective, harmful, and potentially deadly.
Regardless of a nationwide battle toward the acceptance of same-sex marriage and equal rights for gay people, conversion therapy is still a problem, and it's being practiced every single day in the United States and throughout the world.
In this special report, VICE gets exclusive access to one of the hundreds of gay-conversion-therapy organizations, groups, and sessions in the United States. At the Journey into Manhood program, men pay more than $600 to attend a weekend retreat where they participate in exercises and activities the staff members claim will help them battle their same-sex orientation. The only qualification to become a staff member is to have successfully completed the program.
The report meets with the founder of reparative therapy, Dr. Joseph Nicolosi, who is illegally practicing on minors in the State of California, and investigates the controversial legal battle to fight conversion therapy for individuals under 18 years of age. We also travel to the annual Gay Christian Network Conference, speak with former "ex-gay" leaders including John Smid of Love in Action, who is now married to his gay partner, and hear the grueling stories of the individuals who have survived this brutal practice.
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So they try to diminish homosexuality by putting them in the gayest theater class I've ever seen? Ok.
+Rolando Treto ikr. that's a gay man's paradise. All these other gay men trapped in the same place, forced to sleep around each other? fuckin' heaven l0l
+Rolando Treto Not only gay theatre, but gay theatre about a man named Jack and his giant beanstalk.
+Rolando Treto have you been to broadway?
+Rolando Treto Hahaha seriously!
***** Seriously though. The counselors must have been dealt a personalized middle finger from god.
So a bunch of gay men in the woods doing theater offering each other their seed.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤷🏽♀️
Jaspy sounds pretty gay if you ask me
Jaspy sounds like party time to me
Damnit I was gonna use this comment
Sounds like bohemian grove 🤭😂
“Let’s work out the kinks”
Omg I couldn’t help but to laugh
Freudian slip
Empty your mind
I said he said Kinks then I started laughing like butthead
Don't forget they are in the forest as well so I'm sure they will encounter plenty of bears.
LMAO 🤣🤣🤣
"I have a license as a clinical psychologist"
yeah we are going to need that back
Exactly. Any medical “professional “ who practices gay conversion should immediately lose their license. Charlatans.
Honestly i find it wonderful to make people have the option to be more of a man and making them heterosexual, since some dont have the mindset to be able to change even tho they want to.
@@schqanz3609 every word in that sentence is nonsense.
@@sofiatoto_yo2068 it actually is but conversion therapy is not based on the evidence-based scientific research that psychology is actually made up of.
@@Masanumi says you? Dont even talk to me with that small ahh braib
Because every healthy, well meaning mode of therapy starts by taping black plastic over the windows.
Now that's an underrated comment
Well, duh! Its so the inmates don't see the staff having after hours toga parties!
Bahahaha omg you win
LOL That's rich!
@ASMR touch just buy some blinds and curtains already.
imagine having a bf when ur a girl and one day he goes "know you funny story i was gay once but a weekend theater fixed me"
@Jeske Wljers IKR! 😲
seriously, as a hetero woman I would LOVE to see interviews of wives of men like this. Hey, maybe they're asexual or in their own denial and the partnership works for them, too.
But I was wondering about the wives even before read your comment. I'd be really surprised to hear any of these guys have a healthy sex life with a hetero, sexual woman.
@Iwillpoundyourbooty Andlynchyou that's completely different...
@Iwillpoundyourbooty Andlynchyou yes, it is but it's that has nothing to do with the comment. To me it feels like you're against it by the way you speak of it.
I had a bisexual bf once that would turn gay on me from time to time. He left me for another woman, but eventually chose the gay route. This really upset his preacher father. I heard of a 12-step program called homosexuals anonymous and I told him about it. I thought he'd be mad but he was delighted! I think he must have gone to it because he did get married and have two children. From the looks of his wife, he might have met her there.
@@nancyminui9108 🙄 he's probably still gay. Just because you get a new look for your outward appearance doesn't mean your instincts or true self has changed. I dated a "bi" guy too, he left after he came out as gay and now he's happy graduated from college and loves his boyfriend to death. His parents are super religious yet... As everyone must at some point, they learned to live with it and still love him because at the end of the day, he's their son. Or hell... I don't know... Maybe your ex is STILL BISEXUAL. The literal point of being bi is being attracted to both sexes, if he has a wife that doesn't make him straight and I think it's odd and very rude to say "and from the looks of his wife he probably met her there" what are you getting at?
My cousin was sent to a conversion therapy camp and when he came back he was just not the same he didn’t talk to nobody he was fucking scared of everything. He later took his own life..
Damn did your family regretted that?
@@user-dr3pz4se4v honestly deep down I know they are hurt by it cause he was the most successful one in my family but they act like as if it didn’t hurt when I know it did
Honestly, thats some controversy with these camps sometimes they end in a psychological disaster (also other forms of camps) and thats awful
RIP I don’t blame him not to be insensitive at all but when people mess with your mind like that it can f%cK you up
I can imagine this is the outcome.
Ryan- “Let’s try not to be gay anymore.” Dennis- “ How on earth can we do that? Ryan-“ We’ll do a summer camp with 40 gay men with sleepovers, magic beans, and musical theater”. Dennis- “ Gee that sounds amazing but how long will it take to make us not gay?” Ryan-”2 days max”
To the guy who said “everyone is heterosexual”
*My gaydar really going off on you*
Taco Queen I was thinking this fucking fruit cake over here...
he looks like someone who rents college guys with bodybuilder physique
he looks like someone who rents college guys with bodybuilder physique
Taco Queen lol same
My too 😌
“Journey into Manhood” literally sounds like a gay romance novel lmao
Gavin Mosher to me it sounds like a porn movie
Gavin Mosher lmfao 🤣🤣🤣
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA
Yaaas
@@maybethisismarq but a gay one
the amount of sexual tension that must go on at these conversion camps 😭
Yeah because everyone there is gay.
That’s gotta be hard. Pun intended
Exactly, very hard
So interesting how the councillors say they want “to be a husband and want to be a father” nothing about wanting to be with a women or wanting a wife. Someone should probably tell them they can be a father and husband in a same sex relationship haha
Well you can be a husband
@@joeyb1797 you can adopt and be a father
Puke!
@@benmollitor3776 ?
@@lilbig948 you can also choose surrogacy, and some trans men can have children even after they undergo hormone therapy. there are so many ways, including fathering a child from a previous relationship, people are just ignorant.
The dudes running the camp are so deeply closeted they've reached Narnia.
Legend 😂😂😂
I noticed that none of them, in the first installment of the three part series anyways, mentioned being in a hetero relationship. I thought they were "fixed"...
Gold 😂😂😂😂
Spot on
Best line I’ve heard this year
"We cure homosexuality" proceeds to direct a theater class about receiving a magical sack of seed and phallic objects
Sounds like a Mike Pence program...
That's a bit homophobic.
Dyou seriously believe in and agree with homosexual stereotypes?
@@mortenson-boxymusic ffs it's a joke. I am gay myself, so I wouldn't say I'm homophobic. It's even funnier that these people who most likely spread and ridiculously believe this stereotype are actively engaging it while trying to "turn people straight".
Alicia Christian *i may have told her* (•~•)
Witness the wonders of SCIENCE
It is INSANE how much abuse the LGBT community has endured through the years!!!
I’m so glad that conversation therapy is now seen as a damaging practice.
It is not damaging
You just want to ban it because it works
@@SB-iy9vn people who are sent to this camps are getting mentally, emotionally and sometimes even physically abused. And it doesn’t work, you just make the person traumatized and afraid to be themselves. Seek help as quickly as possible
The man who wants to be a husband and father breaks my heart. He CAN be BOTH AND be gay. It’s so sad.
Right?? I just think he hasn’t had any healthy male relationships in his life to show him that, and that the only male figure who’s treated him with the slightest bit of decency happened to be the gay conversion counsellor 😔
You were both right
'They are into one night stands and anonymous hookups'.
So a bit like straight people then?
Thank you. Let them see Tinder stories n shit. Most of it is straight folks.
trying to get rid of the gay with theatre? nothing can go wrong
T8201gadgets hell yeah dud
Double negative i guess?
Or maybe double positive in this case because theater is my jam.
I want to play the girl !!
Morgan Olfursson You will play tree #3!
they pay money to perform in a play of jack and beanstalk? not only is that the worlds shittiest metaphor but what a waste of time and money
"Here we convert gay people to become straight by having them perform theater with a bunch of other gay men"
"Bold strategy cotton, let's see if it pays off"
I'm a straight ally to the LGBTQ community and I grew up in a supportive environment. and it's sad that people still can't accept that gay people are real lol when will homophobes get over themselves.
" heterosexual man with umm... issues" is the biggest " im gay and in denial" ive ever heard
I know 🤣
you can see the hurt in his eyes. he needs to be saved and this “therapy” shit should be illegal
@@xtcemi agreed.
BedHead it is in a lot of states, but it seems like this “camp” is only men over 18 and the laws typically protect minors.
he's so hot...
Journey Into Manhood: The Weekend Experience.
Not a gay porno title at all
Yeah, that is TOTALLY not gay and 1000% straight!
“Part 1/3”
NO HOMO bro lol
And that Jack and the "Bean stalk" thing hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
@@minis9416 buttholes down fellas
I’m sorry I’m just laughing because I myself am a lesbian. Like the thought of even attempting to convert someone “straight “ is just downright ridiculous. We are who we are and there’s nothing wrong with that.
Exactly, you can't change love, love is love.
I'm gay and would love to debate this with these guys....you don't just turn off sexual orientation. It's so stupid...by their logic I could convince a str8 man to turn gay by sheer force of will. It's absolute nonsense.
They kinda believe it, since a lot of reperative therapy is about how you are an incomplete man that only likes men because of an absent father, and a big closeness to your mother
@@Josue-mv2fo oh I don't doubt that they believe in what they are doing but that doesn't make them right obviously. I came from a "normal" family background...mom dad and 3 older brothers...was never molested or exposed to anything remotely homosexual and from around the age of 8 I knew I was into guys. I tried to mess with girls in my early teens and quickly knew it wasn't working....I could never fake a hard on. I grew up to become a very str8 acting guy and indeed when I did finally come out many many many years later my friends were fairly blown away and suprised. I've come to the conclusion that it's a genetic tick that is the cause of it. One day this will be proven though to what point I'm not sure other than to explain to str8 people that there's no more choice in sexual attraction than your eye color.
It's a built in feature... nothing more... nothing less.
Final thought...I think the real issue is bi sexuals calling themselves gay. This is where the str8 people get the notion that sexual attraction is a choice...not something hardwired in.
@@glenntremblay5406 I know that feel, a lot of bi Christian I meet online go on about how their same sex attractions lowered and their heterosexuality grew, and I later catch them with a guy
If ud like to discuss a different way lmk
@@grizzlemc1662 to not be gay?
I can't wait till south park gets ahold of this
Hill Country Bass TV they already have
Camillo Gavajda Which episode is it?
dalys Thelame 155 ,,cartman sucks,,
They already have.
Hill Country Bass TV lol it's one of my favorite episodes
Converting gays through musical theatre. Bold move.
*bare plays in the distance*
Oh the irony! 🤣🤣
pfft. how naive of them to think that’d make them less gay
I can't be the only one getting 💅💅vibes from ALL of the councilors.
I think ANY parent who sends their kids to this “therapy” should be subject to the same treatment that these kids are put through.
What a great idea!
The kid should also be removed from them as any parent thinking this is okay isn’t capable of raising a child
@@maximeminassian6002 bro is the definition of an attention seeker
@@Warrior88927 and yet you responded to me therefore giving me attention 🤭
@@maximeminassian6002 y’all think you have “trauma” but you don’t all that’s really happening is your parents want you to be normal which is good now quit whining and go get some fresh air maybe that will cure you of your illness.
"When you look at gay sex, very simply, the parts don't fit." Well, we could show you how it fits.
faderoseamer 😭😭😭😂😂😂
faderoseamer Nice! I lol'd, haha.
This is always what I think when I hear that. I still fits. Hell, even straight people do it the same way sometimes. So if straight couples can do it, and it works, the I would say it fits.
Tyler Baker seems easier to fuck a man than a woman.
with women you gotta go under and up and it's awkward. with a man you just walk up behind him and stick it in. easy.
faderoseamer Yes we could... 😂☝👍👅💋💦✂🍆🍑😂😂
"There's more depression" Yeah probably because they're constantly being shat on for who they are??
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Allah is a terrorist well maybe black people are used to the fact of people being racist to them
And gay people are not used to the fact?
I think its rather often the own parents who call homosexuality abnormal and scar the person for life, not necessarily society - except you are raised in a rather conservative neighbourhood.
@@dimosereqko2 - Racism and homophobia, while both forms of morally repugnant bigotry, are completely different. The depression and subsequent suicide of many gay people (particularly teens) comes about because of years of shaming, bullying, ridicule and being disowned by their own friends and families for being who they are. Black people are subjected to systematic and societal disadvantage. What they are forced to endure is different. Women are sexually objectified, harassed and assaulted and generally not taken as seriously as men are in many cases. Again, they endure dangers and disadvantages that men largely do not, but what they endure is very different to specifically what gay people endure.
It's a lot more complex than simply "if gay people became depressed and killed themselves because of homophobia, then black people would do the same because of the racism". You need to understand these issues better and really look at the causes and effects of different forms of discrimination.
Their goal (described around 5 minutes in) just makes me feel so sorry for everyone that works there and thinks this way. If someone is uncomfortable with who they are, the solution isn’t to change the person but to change their beliefs and perspectives. Trust me, not only is it easier to do, but it will also provide a much happier life in the long run. These guys must be so stuck in that mindset of wanting to change, I really hope the majority will learn to accept themselves one day. I just wanna give them a hug 😭
“ i consider myself a heterosexual man with a lot of issues “ .. um anyone getting strong bi vibes from this guy?
I totally am and him and I can “talk about those issues” 😈
how is something like this legal but weed isn't? America is so fucked up.
Weed is not a drug, it's a medical plant and it helps people lmao
+Thank's Pete yeah exactly
The people volunteer for this
You don't seem to realize that weed is an illegal substance. There is nothing that they're doing wrong here, these people volunteered for this camp.
+Bob Knaus I understand it is illegal, I am am saying why is something like weed considered such a threat and dangerous substance but trying to change someone sexual orientation can cause actual dangerous, mental side effects. No one should be taught to hate a part of them selves. I think you misunderstood me 😘
I'm gay and I'm not promiscuos, I don't do "group" sex or "anonymous sex," and I'm happy with myself. What the fuck is wrong with these people?
Well said.
Sadly some are in fear of eternal punishment in burning hell fire
I know right! I am gay too and I think that people should just mind their own business instead of trying to change someone's innate self.
Jose Olivares they made the choice to be there it's on them
Censorshipisreal Cham This fucktard is why biology must be taught
The fact that these camps are able to EXIST without any legal consequence is still shocking to me
When being asked "what is your greatest fear this weekend?" It didn't concern my sexuality.
My brain automatically went to having no chocolate or wine in the house. And living in the Midwest in mid November too dangerous to drive to the store to buy some. I'd say that's pretty legit 👌
It is! 🤣✌🏻
Exactly. No phone chargers or iced coffee in the woods!
Them **talking about how gay isn’t real**
Also them: *we carry magic seeds*
lol so gay
Also them : god shows you the way and a man walked on water and and and
10 years before the movie came out and few centuries after Buddhist temples.
@@ingunakirsteine4336 what do Buddhist temples have to do with this. Also are you implying that Buddhist temples aren't a thing anymore
@@bennett7658 they're called omamori. It's basically a charm bag, that one acquires when visiting some temples. They are strikingly similar in appearance. Google it.
Something one of my friends said: “Just because I like a man that doesn’t make me less of one”
Unless you are a woman.
Ola Marca well played
Doesn’t being gay make you manly because you only like manly people and not those posh delicate girls, XD
Or bite back with “Do you like everyone woman/man you meet?” Just because I like women doesn’t mean I like every woman I see/meet.
*@NerdyFox26*
“Posh delicate girls” lmao have you MET women?
“Everyone’s heterosexual “ yeah ok and I’m a chihuahua 🙄
Whilst I'm watching this with a bubbling anger, I have to have sympathy for these counsellors. I'm bi and growing up in a Muslim family, it's been a confusing time coming to terms with myself. Always to-ing and fro-ing between striving to 'be straight' and accepting myself. I can see why they are so desperate to try and 'fix' themselves, despite how misguided it is. Our society has always deemed it wrong and I wish them the happiness they deserve. No one deserves to be so lost in themselves.
converting gays through theatre... its like they werent even trying 😭
IKR 💀
chuu
What?
It’s genius. Set up a “gay conversion therapy camp” and give them the time of their lives. Either way nothing is changing and least it will have positive effects
Chuu our lesbian queen
I cannot take the staff seriously. They are all in denial cause HONEY......
He's like "I want to be a husband and father" does he know he can still be that. Its sad that they think they aren't "normal".
normal is a description of statistics... it also doesn't mean right or wrong... smartass
sharksareawesome24 I doubt someone with the username "sharksareawesome24" is able to say gays are abnormal and you are normal.
Marisol Molina could he make that child biologically?
Nathan Steffanic yes he could because trans men exist and so do surrogate mothers lmao
Gay conversion camp, A.K.A 90's grindr.
lol this is golden
I feel sorry for everyone who has ever had to go through this. My parents were mostly accepting of me when I came out as bisexual. My mom said I would get std's though but I never did. My dad was more accepting of it. I have dated both men and women and feel comfortable now expressing my sexuality. I prefer women tbh but I wouldn't mind finding a guy I like one day either. I am dating this girl named nicole from Iowa, She accepts my bisexuality and she is also bisexual. She makes me happy and I want to see her soon. I feel grateful to have found her. I hope everyone struggling with opening up about their sexuality finds acceptance from supportive people. It's sad that this goes on. I don't think conversion therapy works.
Ohh please, the gay vibe on the professor is so overflowing.
No kidding, the man walks with a lisp.
Rich SJ. It makes the gaydar go beep beep beep.
Closet cases! They need to accept their own repressed sexualities!
I WAS THINKING THIS AHHHA
I was just about to say this
The guy who said “everyone is heterosexual” is radiating a gigantic gay energy.
@@nh_tns very true that man is homophobic? and a lot of people with suppressed homosexually outwardly project it either into toxic masculinity or extreme defensiveness such as the man you are referring to
@@nh_tns found the homophobe
@@nh_tns are u gay?
@@nh_tns no hes definitley gay
The Idea of gay energy is kinda homophobic in my opinion. Like the Idea that you can just see if someone is gay.
Cant believe people still hate others for their sexual orientations. Its 2023 people
And idgaf
@@tarashek7865 clearly you do 🤣
@@tarashek7865 yap
We called it teasing in the 80s and 90s and my story, A COLOURED IN FULL FLIGHT, THE BOY FROM THE BARRACKS, details the abuse, bullying, racism and discrimination I suffered within my community, just because I was gay. xoxo
You get a bunch of gay dudes in one camp, run by probably gay dudes and expect them to come out straight? Lol sure buddy, sure.
With zero "gay-dar" experience to back up this scientific data; one glimpse at Dr TOO GAY Joseph Nicolosi triggered that same thought.
Hello my "spirit" human!
You know what they all did after that... 😏
Jk jk
You say gay men are into one night stands as if straight people don't do that
That's actually one of the things they didn't lie about. Gay dating is very.... Well, it's what happens when you put a bunch of men together without women to even it out.
Lesbian dating is what happens when you have all women with no men to balance it out.
Mostly people settle down over time though. It's ussually guys in their early 20's who've just come out of the closet or started figuring themselves out, so they want it and they want it now.
And when they live in conservative areas where they can't be open and honest due to discrimination, they'll also want it in secret, with near complete strangers. That's kind of sad, but the homophobes are to blame for that happening.
At least gay one night stands don't result in unwanted pregnancies😂
Let's be honest, hook up culture is way worse in the gay community. Like, really, try even _finding_ gay guys in their 20s who actually want a relationship.
Obviously, they exist, but it's saddeningly uncommon
Even so, what does it matter? People have sexual needs and there is nothing wrong with having one night stands. Not everybody would like to have a relationship like ever, also it's okay to explore new stuff and if you like it too much, you can stick with it but please don't judge people that live their lives without sticking to social norms.
Victor Malyar, you're a fucking idiot lmao.
"when you look at gay sex, very simply the parts don't fit" um I beg to differ. the parts fit very well actually 😂
almost too well.
...personal experiance led to pretty urgent injuries.
If there is a hole it’s doable
Saw a movie based on a girl who went to one of these and she said something that brought it home...she told a counselor "you're teaching poeple to hate themselves"
Whats the movie called please? :)
my brother went to one of these and ended up dating one of the councilors lol
Jane Fox congratulations to him then
YES!!
Was the councilor hot tho?
Iconic
Insert Congratulations you played yourself meme here
I like how the group a whole lot of gay people and expect them to come out straight 😂
The church “love everybody equally, regardless of their differences “ also the church “you’re NOT gay you are straight let me now force your into some bullshit program and traumatize you fir the rest of your lives”
You clearly didn't watch 4:30
I think their little play should be put on comedy central... Looks absolutely hilarious.
So much self-hatred in these men. Sad.
Plenty of hetero's hate themselves too. There are deeper issues in life than who turns you on. (A point Jesus kept trying to make, when he told them "No Sex In Heaven, people!") (The whole place is orgasmic)
A bunch of dudes alone in the woods doesn't seem too straight.
This is why I didn’t come out to my family until I moved out. This could have been me.
the fact that something like a conversion camp can exist is sad
“What is your greatest fear this weekend?”
“My greatest fear is letting you down.”
*starts making out passionately*
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lol
LMAO
😂 😂 😂 😂
That genuinely sounded like some historical gay period romance movie scene
I love how their method of 'converting' is by having a bunch of gay men spend an isolated weekend alone together LOLOL
Leah Fugere well they're not all going to screw each other. I'm sure you know that just because you're gay doesn't mean you like everyone you see.
*Doing musical theatre* 😂😂
This is the most pernicious energy I've ever felt watching a video.
I see this and the first part made me cry cause i felt it on so many levels
There's no way this camp isn't just a big gay party at night.
Ryan Newcomb absolutely no way!😂
Ryan Newcomb lmao
"i feel gay what should i do" LETS GO TO A THEATRE CAMP AND TALK ABOUT OUR FEEEEEELINGS
Elena Engels egg fucking zactly lmao
i lol'd
Elena Engels lol exactly
Elena Engels 😂😂😂💀💀💀
That's the gayest thing I've ever heard of
I’ve read some of these comments and it breaks my heart. And I’ll tell ya, at the beginning they had me “I’m not here to tell anyone not to be gay” and the jack and the bean stock. I, nor anyone I love and care about need to go to a place like this. It’s just honestly scary how at 10 minutes in I was like “so it’s a boys summer camp” then I got some creepy Dr phill ranch vibes
I don't understand what they are trying to convert, you do not choose your sexuality and this is cruel, it should be illegal.
agree with you
5:50 when he's explaining the "magic seeds," you can see he's trying not to laugh. He's thinking: "I know this sounds really Gay, but, whatever!"
"jacking the beanstalk" 😏
Danny 😂
Danny Madison wtf😂
“Everyone is heterosexual.” *chokes on air in bisexual.*
Bisexual means gay.
Simon Peter no?
Okay edgelord
We get it, you’re horny, move along now
@Andrew Spliffilin nuts Yeah but the idea that you deserve your own classification because you are both is just idiotic
Being Gay is NOT a choice; no more than being left handed, instead of right handed, is a choice. In God's infinite wisdom, we were born that way. Nowhere in the 10 commandments does it say that being Gay is a sin. It DOES say that murder (Thou shall not kill) is a grave sin. And by the way, killing someone's character, humiliating them in public, destroying his or her livelihood, is a form of murder, according to the Bible, Talmud, and Midrash (Hebrew scholarly texts by great Biblical sages). When (Straight) people get bent out of shape about someone Gay, it's almost always an ego issue, where they feel threatened that if they associate with someone Gay, others will think them as Gay as well.
I'm a straight woman and what I see is a bunch of obvious gay guys ashamed of being gay leading a class about conversion. None of those instructors drool over the taco and that's okay; they're more the sausage type.
Oh man I can't watch this without laughing. It's obvious most of these "therapists" are gay themselves.
Mili Seguel haha true
yeah the whole thing is a joke i think the camp isnt actually like this
It sucks that these guys aren't happy with the way they are, but if they try to change that what is the problem? It's not like these camps kidnap them.
Your right they just try to change their sexuality which has been proven to be not possible, and treating them like meat.
Bob Snieger It has not been proven to be impossible. We don't know a lot about sexuality. You're talking out of your ass
It's a symptom of a scoiety that treats gay as though it were bad. That there are places that try to "cure" gay reenforce the idea that gay is bad. As the video said they target people at around the ages of 16-24, around the time when your in highschool and you have to be around people who are immature, looking for people to single out, and when everyone is stressed out trying to find themselves already.
If you exist in a world where you being gay is a wound that animals will pounce on than you will end up believing some pretty crazy things and take on some harmful actions.
Yoishify It doesnt matter, the burdon of proof lies on you. At no point has this practice ever been supported by any kind of Peer-reviewed blind studies.
The Exile Exactly
My neighbor went to conversion therapy thingy and he said he became more gay...
I would love that place. nothing more intertaining than gay guys pretending to be straight for the father but also serving daddy 😂😂😂
“Theres More Depression, Theres more anxiety” hmmm why could that be
yass 🙌 homosexuality doesn’t cause mental health issues; homophobia does.
Lmao i said the exact samething 😂
@@noahmadeitnice If you cannot make kids then you shouldn’t adopt one
@@rlm2933 if u cannot have basic human respect for all walks of life, perish
@@siyae1507 I don’t need to respect anything if i want to, your trying to force me.
"Journey *into* manhood." "Magic seeds." "The story of Jack...and the *amazing beanstock.*"
Why is gay conversion therapy...well, so *gay?*
Peppermint Gal
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Ernie and Burt need conversion therapy?
Don't forgot how the beanstalk apparently looks like a giant penis
Because bunch of gay people are there.
Probably because of everyone there being gay, including the counsellors
What if someone just goes there to find a boyfriend 😂
This is so wrong, how could you preach that god loves everyone but you send your kids to a place like this?
some of these comments are a bit unthought but yours is 100% true.
“I’ll give you these seeds” stop it 😂😂😂 this is too funny
Lol
A big bag full of seeds
Ones that cannot reproduce.
@@tombreckinridge6218 big ballbag full of tadpoles
That makes it sound worse somehow
Lots of men , theater , magic beans , thats all pretty gay 👀
And those little "purses."
Don’t forget the seed sacs,
Flutemusic bean stocks
Person: I went to gay conversion therapy
Me *staring at the shirtless guy on the thumbnail:* Something tells me that wasn't effective
“everyone is heterosexual”
Me: i’m not even here baby I’m just a hallucination
AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN SEE THAT THEIR LEADER IS SUPER GAY?!!
no he's so damn gay, the irony
Adrian Gutz right SUS
火山薇薇 As soon as they started doing the theater I was like “everyone in this is gay”
They said they have a same sex attraction but they want to have wives and kids.
armadillo life and that’s fine legit how gays were back in history.....
I actually attended this “Journey Into Manhood” weekend years ago. These videos portray it accurately, but omit many of the more disturbing practices led by unskilled, unlicensed, non-professionals. One of the men I attended with ended up committing suicide. One of the founders - Dave Matheson - has now come out as gay and disavowed his harmful practices. Thankfully, I survived and - shocker - I’m still gay and have happily been with my partner for 5 years now. If you are reading this and considering conversion therapy, please know the people running these camps are deeply misguided and ashamed of who they are. You are beautiful just as you are, and your sexuality does NOT need any repairing!
Also, Rich Wyler - the other founder of “People Can Change”, which apparently now calls itself “Brothers Road” after all the scandals, and who is featured in these videos - lived as a gay man for a long time then decided to be a good Mormon boy and marry a woman. He claims to be happily married, and he also happily makes money off of vulnerable, religiously abused, gay men convincing them they can “heal” their sexuality. I’ve seen him get naked and frolic in the woods with other naked men in “non-sexual and healing ways.” Stay away, people!
Thanks for telling your story mate I'm happy that you made it out of there 😘🏳️🌈
CAMREN IS STILL ALIVE thanks! That’s very kind.
Krnabrny Dziobak What were some of the more disturbing things ? Just curious.
🏳️🌈
This is not only sad but is one of the silliest things I've ever seen
Be who God made you....BE HAPPY
I think those two men walking past at 5:11 are failing at this camp. haha.
Anja Fourie They are brothers.
Anja Fourie So sweet!
The camp leader is one of the most in denial homosexuals i have ever seen xD
all of the staffs look like they're in denial lol
Truly sorry for people that were pressured into attending this type of camp.
The amount of conditioning and shunning from family and friends they must have received to think that a part of their identity is wrong... its disgusting.
Hearing the "counselors" talk is like rubbing a pineapple against my face.
“We are physically and anatomically designed for the opposite sex.”
G-spot: I beg to differ
And he's right
AND THE PROSTATE CMON
@@exuberantraptor7422 you trynna be punny? CMON 🤣
Yes thooo
Prostate
I, a home of sexual, am offended
😂😂😂😂
+frank iero frerard
I'm home of sexual too
+eva tronina me too
+eva tronina
I am a home too. I am a home for many microorganisms.
Licence on some of these people need to be revoked ASAP, if you are gay there is NOTHING wrong with you, you didn't get a choice in it, don't go to these barbaric places.
Most importantly, not worrying about what anybody or some god thinks, the real question is,
"are you happy"
If the answer is yes, thats all that matters.
And if a god can't accept you for loving anyone, then they aren't worth your praise.
And there are a hell of a lot more straight smokers than gay 😂😂😂
So we should do WHATEVER we want as long as it makes us happy?
@@noahblanco6105 No, you still have to respect the rights of others. Think of your rights as your body. I can swing my fists around all I want, but my right to swing my fist ends at the tip of your nose. You can do whatever you want to be your happiest self as long as you do not suppress the rights of others.
I'm not American and I'm shooked you guys still have those , it's insane your supposed to be the most liberal & free country in the world .... Like even in my country we don't have those for 40 years
Republicans have ruined this country, and morons still vote for them.
GodsDeceased Democrats have ruined this country, and morons still vote for them*
Hubby Bubby Okay “republican in disguise”
Republicans do suck. Oh wait, you guys are talking about the American Political Party, not the universal definition of a Republican. Welp, back to being a Monarchist alone then.
LusitanianBaron _ I’m also a republican (in the UK), but the US republicans are assholes.
This Gay Porn Parody is writing itself:
Journey into manhood
Magic seed pouches
The wonder of boys
Pushing the walls...
Marcus Wainright I bet there was a huge orgy after hours there
Marcus Wainright I’m so stoned right now I died lol 😂
Marcus Wainright “ big manly beanstalk “
Thank you so much men to serve
The seed that were planted into jack. Jack has magic seed around his neck
it makes me so sad to see people hate themselves for being who they are because religious fanatics indoctrinate them. that scene where the man is screaming about his parents not being there… they should have been there for him, but in an actually supportive way.
love yourself and others.
It’s sad to see all those closeted men going to waste especially that young one lol