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- Conversion therapy is the practice of "curing" gay people by trying to turn them straight through counseling and lifestyle restrictions.
In this special report, VICE gets exclusive access to one of the hundreds of gay-conversion-therapy organizations, groups, and sessions in the United States. At the Journey into Manhood program, men pay more than $600 to attend a weekend retreat where they participate in exercises and activities the staff members claim will help them battle their same-sex orientation. The only qualification to become a staff member is to have successfully completed the program.
The report meets with the founder of reparative therapy, Dr. Joseph Nicolosi, who is illegally practicing on minors in the State of California, and investigates the controversial legal battle to fight conversion therapy for individuals under 18 years of age. We also travel to the annual Gay Christian Network Conference, speak with former "ex-gay" leaders including John Smid of Love in Action, who is now married to his gay partner, and hear the grueling stories of the individuals who have survived this brutal practice.
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Nothing says heterosexuality like an all men theater show.
amen!
Rhyan Perez Molina
No, just no......
Mr DixonCider there are so many things wrong with what you just said i'm laughing so hard
Katy Bee I know like that was one of the gayest things I've ever seen😂
Hahaha! That's true!
*tries to make person heterosexual*
*sends person to place full of people of the same sex*
Good one
someone's gotta make a profit
You took the comment right out of my texting fingers 😂😂😂😂😂...
Someone is definitely hooking up on the low low😘😘😘
christie road RIGHT!
Who are all gay for example so boom chicka pow wow free partners
The thing that annoys me most about this is suggesting that being gay means being less than a man or less masculine.
Agreed
+Argyle Dashwood (Argyledashwood) religious control to justify torture of gays for tax exempt $$$. Thats The "loving christian" way
In France people do not think like that at all.
It does tend to be a trend.
Please leave, and take your pathetic closed minded irrelevant with you.
Trying to repress homosexuality through a stage play - genius.
If only more people knew the deeper meaning behind your joke XD
i don't get it
@@laurencewilson8210 then your not a theatrr kid
@@laurencewilson8210 HA!
Honestly too many people get involved in other people's business. Don't like gay marriage - don't have one, don't like abortion - don't have one, don't like eating meat - don't eat it, don't like Christmas - don't celebrate it. But don't be telling other people what they can or can not do based on your own personal beliefs.
If you're gonna be judgemental about other people you have better make damn sure you're perfect.
Meat eating is not a good example as the others cause no harm (An argument could be made for abortion pf course but...). Meat eating by definition is based on the killing of animals which ethical vegetarians/vegans oppose and are also inclined to fight against. I agree with the general point though. There is too much obsession with sticking your nose into the private lives of people and the choices they make.
***** Because minors can be forced to go to those places against their will.Find in this video where there is not but pity for the MEN who CHOOSE to go to those places, the video pities those who go to forms of therapy which are admittedly not effective in changing desire and supports those who wish to stop the forced trauma upon minors.That is all.
Alpha NetRS
This is how the american society should be, but instead there are always people who push their beliefs and ideas onto other people and try to justify their opinions with religion or what they perceive to be as moral or immoral. (though this is true for most of the planet)
Personally I don't give two shits what other people think, or do with their lives. It's their life, they can live it themselves.
As per religion, I'm agnostic but I feel that religion is a machination of tribalism and an inability to explain the unknown, and or to try to get others to live life as you see fit, rather than them living life their way they are pressured into following what is known as the 'norm'.
*****
What if a teenager wants to cut themselves?
The fact someone wants to do it and their parents agree doesn't mean we allow Licensed mental health practitioners to practice admittedly ineffectual quackery on minors.
Shall we allow the teenage to drink too?
We have limits on what minors can do for good reasons, and we have limits on what mental health practitioners can do for even greater ones.
*****
If parents can convince their kids to eat poison because of their beliefs on the issue and their teenager agrees, do we let them?
The answer is no. Because child endangerment laws exist for good reason, the fact America is often living in the stone age when judging these issues is rather unbecoming.
My dad tried to change his sexual orientation. He got married, had a child. He tried to convince himself and everyone else that he was a straight male. He fought it and fought it for 10 YEARS.. until left his ex wife for a man. Then he had to deal with the disappointment from everyone around him. His "closest friends" stopped talking to him. He was totally alone and was depressed and suicidal so he tried to fix the situation and got in a relationship with my mum-not to make him happy but for everyone else's happiness. He married her and they adopted me. But no matter what he did he felt he could never be his real self. He tried to fight it yet again but he couldn't. He couldn't change who he was born to be. He tried SO HARD! But in less than two years He left my mum for another man. My dad and his (male) partner have been together 8 years. They are now married and he's the happiest he's ever been in a long time. There's hope- hope is not always found in trying to change yourself to fit society's views. Some people may be successful not acting on there sexual orientation and may live a happy life but not everyone. Be who you want to be. Do whatever and whoever you want to do. You can be religious and gay. You can be gay and not religious. You're man enough just being you. Just do whatever makes you HAPPY and if you lose those around you then they weren't good people to have in your life anyway♡ at the end if the day it's you who has to live with yourself. So be yourself and just do you♡
Guru Music Lover aw, be careful only come out when you think it's time. Don't put yourself in danger if you have a strong feel the outcome will be bad, find people who will accept you
I sense the struggle you must be going through from your post, but if it offers you any comfort, know that you are correct in your beliefs. Love for another person has nothing to do with sexual orientation. It has to do with truth to oneself, and the ability to connect in a deep and meaningful way with another human being. For many homosexuals, intense fear of rejection is the unfortunate byproduct of revealing who you are to the ones you care for the most, and who often have an alternate reality.
One of the most difficult things in life, for heterosexuals and homosexuals alike, is the realization and acceptance that ones belief system deviates from that of our parents and friends. But, it is only through the process of arriving at those conclusions that you liberate yourself, and can become a fully independent person. Some people live fine under the delusion that they can "pretend" to be something that they are not, others just can't do it.
Be clear, it's not you, but their distorted beliefs, that hurt them. When you can internalize that, you can be free of the guilt, shame, sadness, anger, or any other negative emotion you might be experiencing from this internal conflict. Seek support within the gay community if you haven't already. Hopefully, they have a strong presence in your area. I truly wish you all the best as you go through this difficult time. You certainly are not alone.
Guru Music Lover they probably know your gay.. maybe that's a sign that you should give them a chance to love you for you
I love this. Im sorry he went through that but I'm glad he finally found himself and lives happily now. Lots of love to you and your father
Jack Leó um... fuck off
They say gay is a social construct, but then they have socially constructed the idea of "manhood". I don't get it.
if you mean masculine roles as manhood you are wrong. men are biologically different to women, and have been the warriors and sacrificial/hard laborers since the dawn of our species. hope this helps.
Much of our assumptions and ideas of manhood and masculinity are social constructs, but the vast majority aren't. There are an overwhelming amount of biological differences between men and women.
OH YOU are thinking again! SLAP!!!
@@sd6580 Nope. Didn't help one wee little bit!
@@sd6580 were you around at the dawn of mankind? If not, how do you know?
"In gay relationships there's more depression, anxiety and self defeating behaviours" YEAH AND YOU GUYS ARE THE REASON WHY
Preach it
Actually people in gay relationships are less anxious, depressed, or unhappy than anyone else. Being in a gay relationship is the cure for being at the mercy of the perpetrators. We should ask ourselves why the divorce rate for gay men is so much lower than that of opposite sex marriage.
@ItzzMike I have never met a gay married couple who are in their own world. If your gay uncle and husband are like the only two people in the world how did you get him to talk to you?
Yeah maybe they are
@@davidmartinez2407 It is so telling that the divorce rates of Gay marriages is so much lower than heterosexual ones.
why does my gaydar start beeping whenever any of these instructors speak?
They don't deserve to be gay.
all of you are homophobic fûçk tards
"They dont deserve to be gay" yeah because being gay is awesome
Did u get the "gaydar" thing from Futurama
I got the same thing!
Lets cure homosexuality by.... Musical Theatre!! This is so ridiculous and yet so sad.
I know, it's really sad yet hilarious in a tragic-comic sort of way.
Wait until you see the newest counsellor: Nathan Lane!
That psychologist should have his license revoked.
HAHAHA! nice...
He’s likely gay
He should fuck them all in the ass
@@AlexA-de7is , probobly has...
"See yourself as Jack"... Jack Meholph
Who cares if someone is gay
Everyone should.
Why? is it easier to find a date
Unfortunately all of trumps cabinet
sad
I don't care if someone is gay no one does. Is not even a huge issue anymore
My brother hid his true self until he was 32ish. We have bigoted religious parents.
He settled down with a woman, had 3 children, was the most HOMOPHOBIC and vicious person you could ever meet.
Moved cross country when his eldest child was 10. 4 years later he called home to tell my parents he is gay, is engaged and been with his fiance for.. 4 years.
He is the happiest he has ever been, his fiance and him are amazing parents to my nieces and nephews.
Love is natural, love is not wrong.
Don't waste your life being someone who you are not.
I hope he still supports his kids with his first wife. He may have been through a lot but those kids still deserve some support from him, at least.
So he was bisexual?
Having 200 partners is not typical in the gay community...............
brree bullshit
Yeah, that "statistic" is bullshit.
brree i can confirm. My average is 0.
Meg same
Lol, the chanches are a gay person can't even meet 200 gay people in his lifetime. If you live in finland it's a fucking miracle to see 20. They are like fuckin rare pokemons. 😂
"You can be homosexual and Christian but you cannot be gay and Christian."
What the hell does that even mean? 😂😂😂
I think what he was trying to say is u can be homosexual like as far as ur attractions and such, but u dont pursue that attraction. And being gay u do pursue those attractions... I dont know, that was just the only logical answer my brain came up with after he said it.. Cause i was like wtf??? When he said that myself.
Jake Wade u recognize that this was 4yrs ago right
😂
Says a lot about preists and alter boys...
You can supposedly have homosexual urges but if you see them as anything other than disordered and repulsive you can't be Christian.
Don't they realize that they can be married and have kids and still be gay? I'm gay, and I'm not hooking up with random people and partying every night. They're ignorant and misinformed.
They can't have biological kids.
@@harshitmadan6449 Oh no!!! That means the gays will have to adopt, and become a significant help to the overburdened orphan / foster care systems; and everybody knows orphans / foster care kids don't deserve families!
Also, of course they can have biological children, it's called surrogacy.
@@danielj.nickolas17 Surrogacy is illegal in my country.
@@harshitmadan6449 That doesn't mean people aren't doing it.
And my point was that gay people have just as much potential to create a family as any heterosexual couple. Laws might currently stand in their way, but the concept of family is stronger than ignorance.
@@harshitmadan6449 *cackles in cis gay people who date their trans counterparts
This would be like a mockumentary if the concept wasn't so horrid.
I am absolutely shocked, disgusted & confused that this is still happening! I believe more harm is being done by these type if retreats happening... Thank Goodness for the group of individuals that are trying to ban conversion therapy!
This is a subject that needed to be shown so that the ignorance is exposed and can be stopped...great job Vice!
Ambers Closet i agree, I am also a subscriber.
Clearly you didn't watch the video because they say we only want volunteers if you don't want to be here you don't have to beat me. This is for people who want to change. How can you speak out for more choice when someone has a choice tell them no
@@dr.indianajones9558 You must be dumb
@@Dr.kittens Dude, do you really think that these people want to be there. Clearly a dangerous mindset has been forced into these people's head, because a regular person with a normal mindset would never try to reverse their homosexuality. They probably have been told their whole lives that being gay is an unforgivable sin that needs to be corrected. So clearly it's not 100%consensual.
@@kingofdemons573 You're still right because even if they "volunteer", they're only doing it because they think they are doing the right thing. Preying on the vulnerable. I don't see the pattern of oppression discontinuing in some way as long as you have things like anti-gay Christian theology. This is still the most popular position to this day. Glad Exodus International closed for the harm they caused at least.
The funny part is that this is literally the gayest way imaginable to “cure” gay men.
How does this "doctor" still have a license? He's the one that needs reparative therapy.
He died. Lol
Like straight people don't do hook ups and group sex.
Two Boards, One Hill we don't we're perfect angels
You mean with dudes? No, I don't, or wouldn't be interested in anything with another dude. Anyone who does same sex stuff isn't straight, they're bi.
"Gay men smoke cigarettes more than straight men."
i'm sold
Something just hints me that putting a bunch of homosexuals together in one camp will not quite help them convert...
Berend Simons oh it will.. orally😂
If you think about it... It's one of the best place to meet other gay people.
"Gays have 100, 200 partners!"
Girl, I wish
I could never 💀
🥴😳
(I'm a boy) I tried dating a girl in 6-7th grade, and I literally felt nothing. I have a boyfriend now, and I feel everything that I should've been feeling with the girl I dated. I am attracted to boys and nobody can fucking change that :)
Kody Frasure ever since I saw you're Melanie Martinez ytp i see you everywhere
praise cthulhu LOL
Kody Frasure KEEP DOING YOU MY BROTHAAAA 😘😘
Aleister Aldebaran okay see there what time?
Aleister Aldebaran you are wishing someone to hell and he only wants the world to live happy, who is going to hell?
A person full of hate or a homosexual who is born this way and wants harmony?
Hilarious, you should become a comedian
“I just consider myself a heterosexual man...
With issues” 🤣 🤣 🤣
It is not funny 💥
Bisexuality i think😊
I will not hide behind a woman and have children with her knowing in my heart I'm gay and I like men. That is just my opinion. I feel like men who does that is wrong! Please don't put people emotions in your hands if your not serious about being in a straight relationship with a women. Don't hurt that woman or those children because your scared of rejection.
I'm straight but this still just made me extremely sad and angry. Sometimes I really believe that religion is a poison to the civilised world. :x
much evil is from religion, but the civilized world wouldn't have come about without it.
Stfu
@@LeonelLAURE no u
@@LaurenSchraderMusic no
Yuu
Same here. I’m straight but I’m absolutely heartbroken and horrified by these testimonials of conversion therapy. I just wanna scream at these people upholding this misinformation and damaging practices and say “LEAVE THESE CHILDREN ALONE. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THEM”.
The real problem isn't that whole conversion thing, but the society that lead to such bullshit with not accepting others
***** well, kids of siblings are often impaired, so I don't think that that's acceptable. But there isn't anything bad about loving the same sex, i mean you don't harm anyone
These men are not happy and will not be until they are honest
And fully except themselves for who they are.
My heart goes out to them!
Truly sad😪
Is that what we say to people who want to reassign their gender? Just accept who they are or they will never be happy? What if you desire all the things heterosexual people do like having a wife, having kids, having a family life, but you can only get hard for cock because you were born that way? Just have to accept the fact that it is not for you? Fine but that doesn't translate into gender reassignment. Those are people who are born in a body that they don't feel comfortable with but yet we don't pressure them into staying what they are.
YoungerBrother Wakeup Everybody should stop making politics with knowing whats "natural" or "real".
*****
(Y) yeah..., get lost in your hate!
ok,
What's sad is that you are to ignorant to realize that they are actually stronger than the like of Bruce Jenner, because they decided to put an end to their suffering which is more admirable. I'm saying this because I can relate in a way and I bet you anything that they will eventually feel full of life. On the other hand, people who accept being gay, it's cool but I guarantee you that deep deep down there they feel emptiness inside. If you don't acknowledge that, then I'm sorry because you're just plain stupid.
People are changing themselves because society bullies and oppresses them. We shouldn't focus on repressing ourselves but rather fixing the social cruelty and ignorance.
Exactly !!
Yeah we shouldn’t lock our doors anymore, we should focus on fixing thieves and robbers
I tried to be straight for ~30 years. If 30 years of dedicated living as a straight person can’t convince an asexual she’s straight, these programs haven’t got a chance.
In the future I hope gay "conversion" is non-existent not just invisible.
***** Comparing homosexuality which causes ZERO harm with alcohol abuse which can and does blight the lives of people.... People calling homosexuality immoral do so because they are twisted people with repressed desires for the same gender and/or religious poisoning where being gay is a "sickness" in need of curing.
Help is need for alcoholics NOT for gay people.
*****
The first argument is null as it's predicated on people being unhappy with being gay. They are made to feel unhappy and sick due to the pressure and intolerance of many people in society. They are shamed into feeling guilty. To cure that we need to stop people telling them being gay is wrong. It isn't at all.
The second part is about consent - most people draw the line with = Consent. Animals can't give it. Adult humans can. Relations between siblings are discouraged due to the potential genetic defects that can occur through inbreeding. That being said, if two or more adults consent to be in a relationship that's not my business to tell them no.
***** As I said the line is drawn with consent. If there isn't consent then I don't support it. 3 gay men in a relationship = No problem. Brother and sister for example = No problem except for them if they want children biologically. Animals = Not OK as there is no way to get consent.
*****
This is just as valid as a 60 year old man and consenting 13 year old girl. Your arguments show your ignorance in knowledge.
No I would not be ok with that. Just as I'm not ok with rapist and serial killing. What relevance does it have? Straw man much?
This kind of scams should be illegal, just as robbing a grocery store is.
+Gonzalo del Moral All under the guise of religion. Religious malpractice more like. torturing gays while making tax exempt $$$, thats the christian way
“I wanted to be a husband, I wanted to be a father” I know many gay men who are wonderful fathers and husbands though
what people don't realize is that Jack and the giant were totally hooking up off camera...
GainingJenny oh god jacks ass must be ripped up by now
Elijah García worth it
this is so scary to me, im gay asf and these camps are legal in the state i live in no.
terra likes food Same here, my parents have considered sending me to one because I don't wanna kiss our neighbor (who is supposedly attractive) but honestly I just don't like anyone, I'm asexual af
terra dakota same here I dodged being a victim of conversion therapy but that meant I had to sleep in my car with an airsoft sniper rifle and an airsoft assault rifle while police officers tapped on my window making sure that I was not dead or dying. All over my gender identity
I had never heard of this until I saw north carolina put a ban on these programs and i decided to look it up . Im shocked
I relate too much I am terrified the country I live in is extremely religious and conversion therapy is legal
If I visited the camp simply as an observer and I mean this with no offense.
I would think, "This place is really gay."
😂😂😂😂😂
Imagine going on a weekend trip to a secluded house in the woods with a bunch of other men who you know are bisexual or gay. Some much fun could be had.
Thanks for posting this video. I just posted my coming out story and how I was introduced to two forms of gay therapy during my childhood.
i’m so sorry you had experience that in your childhood, no one has any right to try and change your personality.. it’s just so repulsive. so damaging. i hope you are living happy and free 🌈
It's unfortunate because all of these men have one common problem: they're convinced that the way they are is simply not normal, that it isn't what society wants of them. Most people are able to grapple with this at a young age and realize that there's nothing wrong with them, but these people were probably brought up to hate themselves. It really is a pity.
'Every animal species in the world display's homosexual behavior but only one displays homophobic behavior.' - Stephen Fry.
By the way, it's so true, I worked in a zoo and we had a pair of male penguins who mated for life; we had to give them a ball to 'nest' as their egg. Same sex attraction is the most natural thing in the world.
Are you the girl from that David Sloss comedy special?!
Exactly. Animals don’t have developed brains like human beings do.
@@janahammoud6627 Then prove you're developed by not being a sociopath.
Aberrosexualism is a mentally-rooted anatomically and biologically aberrant sexual behavioral choice. Are you not aware that animals act on instinct, not mental behavioral choices?
This is so sad. These people live in fear, they are scared of what people going to think. In my opinion those people in their hole entire life were told that they expect to be a father, go to church, and have children, and if they don't accomplish that they feel ashamed and their family will be mad of the person. Idk if this makes sense but this is what I got from this video.
Edson Cruz how do you know they don't want to change themselves some ppl aren't truly happy having gay feelings and really want kids and family
I'm a victim of sexual abuse and torture. When I told my father about it, his wife wanted to force me into conversion therapy. I didn't even know that women before. And she would call me every single day and try to convince me to go thru it. My abuser was already charged for what he did to me and I never saw my parents in the same light I used to. They didn't support me at all when I wanted to pursue legal actions about my abuser, they didn't support me emotionally, so why would I want to keep them in my life. Hell, no.
I'm sorry you had to go through all of that. Sending you love
"The staff wear a pouch of magic seeds" is the single gayest thing I've ever heard.
I'm a Christian and this video makes me sick to my stomach!
Why? If you are christian, you should be happy that there are people who try to help gay people to get closer to Jesus.
Vipera01 making people feel like there's something wrong with them isn't the way to get any human being closer to Jesus. We get other people closer to Jesus by showing them God's love and letting them know that He loves them to no end, regardless of their sexuality. As long as they know & love God, they can always grow closer without needed to change. God loves the gays just as much as he loves you, my friend.
Callie Sheahan
But God hates the sin and wants the gays to be free from it. These Gay people willingly go to these places to change (for their own personal reasons). They can leave whenever they feel like and stop the conversion therapy at any time.
You should support them through this every step of the way since this is what they want. Keep in mind that I am talking about the ones who ACTUALLY CAME OUT OF FREE WILL AND WANT TO BE STRAIGHT.
Callie Sheahan Thank you I am a gay teenager and thank so much for explain these idiots that God love everyone
Callie Sheahan bless you
I want to make a "conversion" camp where LGBT folks can meet, know each other, talk and get the support and love to be accepted by their parents and themselves AS THEY ARE.
It exists it’s called hot topic lol
Open a "conversion therapy" camp for teens, take their parents money and just tell the kids that it's ok to be LGBTQ. Spend the rest of the time doing fun stuff like swimming, camping and musical theater. 😂
Bigotry knows no bounds
spoony thank you for proving my point
+Gra Piken Thank you, someone understands, but Im actually gay and a weeabu
Emma Martin what's a 'weeabu'?
Gra Piken
someone who loves or is obsessed with anime or Japanese culture
Emma Martin I see. Thanks
I love how they constantly say they're reinforcing and teaching 'masculinity'. Can one not be gay and 'masculine' #grindrtribes #masc
This was heartbreaking. Cried more than once watching this.
I'm a 14 year old lesbian. My biggest dream is to find a wife I love and lead a "normal" life
+Jenna Noce I believe you feel more lika a man when woman is next to you
NewMornac I'm no sorry neither of them would be a man or feel like a man and no there is no-one in the relationship who is the guy or for gay gus there is no girl in the relationship... THATS THE EFFIN POINT!!! THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO FEMALE IN A GAY RELATIONSHIP OR A MALE IN A LESBIAN RELATIONSHIP!! THEY ARE SEXUALLY, PHYSICALLY, AND MENTALLY ATTRACTED TO THEM!!
Nothing about career?
Hope you find your way ❤💪
No, she is a woman and feels like a woman.
I look at all of these men and women and all I see is tragedy. The fear, pain, isolation and confusion they have suffered, and the numerous ways in which they have either embraced their identity or who denounce their own attractions and pursue heterosexual relationships. I can't fault those men for having their weekend getaway, complete with props, costumes and dancing around a beanstalk with "magic seeds" around their necks. If this is the path they've chosen to bring them happiness, and personal fulfillment, so be it. But to force that rhetoric and project your own inadequacies onto unsuspecting youths and confused adults is shameful, and does more harm than good.
Kinda makes me want to host a pride rally.
Pelase not next to my home, k? Some people hate these parades because they annoy them while they are home not becuse they hate gays.
What about helping a gay man accept his sexuality? We have such a problem w/ acceptance in this country. There's so much psychological garbage out there. Where's the hurt in loving & respecting & accepting & coming to terms with yourself for who you are?
"Journey into Manhood"... How ridiculously offensive. So... hetero = more of a man... is that it? Or... not a man if gay? All I can do is facepalm.
✔A bunch of men, isolated in the woods
✔Theater, music, interpretive dance
✔Lots of touching
Boy howdy, these men will be "growing" into their "manhood" in no time!
😮🏳️🌈😆
😁
Plot twist: this is actually a high intensity theater camp.
"I want to punch that mirror because I see my fucking parents in the background, just staring at me.." Calm down Harry Potter
Or at least try a diet
Eh, as long as they are fully grown consenting adults who want to change, I don't see why camps like this shouldn't be allowed.
Conversion camps where underage kids are sent to against their wishes should all be banned though.
because they are mostly just scared of what other people think of them.
Getting bullied because of your sexuality drives you into this camps, not your own decision of "changing".
Meggy McKechnie Sorry to ask, but why would you like to marry a guy when having sex with a woman fulfills your sexual desire? is it just the wish to have kids and a happy "normal" family.. husband and wife with 2 kids?
i mean.. i'm not homosexual.. i know how it feels, to be in such a constellation but i would never give up my true feelings for a obligation.
Lilith Lovett burn it with fire!
Meggy McKechnie but if you're bisexual you're already attracted sexually to men, you don't need to diminish your same sex attraction to marry a man.
***** wrong. And you're gay.
As always a wonderful VICE documentary, very inciteful.
I could never do this to my child, OMG, who cares whether they are straight, gay , trans, whatever.. I just love my boys.
The psychologist from this reminds me of the one from GTAV haha
Lmao
Omg yes! lmao
pwnapoluzastudios Yea he does look like pubehead.
pwnapoluzastudios That is all of your education. Video games. Congrats.
Julie Flores sounds pretty awesome to me! And the country is already screwed so why does it matter.
I'm gay and don't believe I chose my sexuality. I don't choose to be hated. I've had more than one girl grab at my crotch and another show me her breasts and it did nothing for me. I've had zero attraction towards women. Gender roles are also socially constructed, as are most things. I know many feminine straight males and I see myself as masculine even though I'm gay. When Lewis & Clark found the two-spirit indians, their immediate reaction was that they had a lot of work to do for them to enforce their Christians beliefs on them. Without even having to understand their culture, they were immediately deemed 'sodomites'. I wish people realized that homophobia is 100% hate that leads to pain, death and sometimes murder. I feel fortunate that I grew up in a liberal and Jewish household and not born to some uber Christian conservative family that obsesses over what they think they should hate more than their own spiritual beliefs.
Nice how they appropriate Native American Culture too. These "therapies" are clueless idiocy at best and abuse at worst.
Native american culture wouldn't exist today if people hadn't "appropriated" it.
@@sd6580 wrong
2:55 (stabs man in the stomach)"the idea some people are naturally bleeding from a stab wound is just a social construct"
"You can be homosexual and christian, but you can't be gay and christian" wait... am i unaware of the differences betwen the two? am i the only one who had to rewind that?
i think they mean with gay the act of being proud that you are homosexual. just a guess,, dunno if it's right.
Nicolas ***** +Z.G. I believe he is recognizing "gay" as an identity that one proudly assumes and practices, and "homosexual" simply as having same-sex attraction (in this case, unwanted). He's saying that you cannot be a true follower of Christ and practice homosexuality.
Girl bye.
when i look at this i can feel repressed gayness in the "theripists
I hope that one guy who wants to be a father figure figures out that you don't have to be straight to be an amazing dad.
How can anyone be a good "something" despising, hating, or rejecting the form, manner, or way one becomes that something?
This was very enlightening. I really value this kind of reporting for the following reasons: 1) It approaches a compelling subject in a very civil way, 2) It highlights all sides of an argument in fair amounts of time, and 3) It does a good job of telling a story with critical fluctuations of interviews. Even though I do not support conversion therapy, I have much more respect for those who engage in non-violent methods because they personally want to. I do, however, wish there were more communication between those who participate in conversion therapy, and those who used to and later on do not support it. Thank you, Vice!
The Love In Action ex-leader, he’s the guy that was depicted in Boy Erased, the real life story of the author of the original book (I’m forgetting names sorry) and now they’re both living their best lives.
Proud of them.
What I always love is hearing about when parents send their kids to conversion "therapy", and they come back with a same sex significant other.
did he just say "2.5 kids" ??
IWillWaitForYou 2.5 kids is the average amount of kids that families have I think I'm America. Now obviously you can't have 2 and a half kids xD but an average is a number.
Yeah they're all high probably xD
I can’t wait to meet your kids!
Ah yes, here is jimmy, Jenny, and legless Larry
Why does vice upload it in three parts, and then a final cumulative part? More TH-cam shekels or what?
The more videos, the more views, the more youtube $$$
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TheHannes15 Makes sense.
More TH-cam money = better videos
psyssi There sneaky people. Theres always a twist to every story lol
When will people understand "normal" is a unreal concept for humans?! Diversity is beautiful, we are all different, we should empower people not suppress it... How can people fight so hard to raise body issues awareness but not sexual orientation awareness? How can people say being curvy is good, diversity is good and then shame people if their orientation doesn't match the "norm".
"It's not a religious weekend." Cut to a shot of a cross above a door.
Even Jesus would be embarrassed of this camp lol. Being gay is natural you morons and if it's natural then God created it......1+1=2......it's common sense! People just don't get it.
"My name is Joseph Nicolosi and I should really try stop speaking with the gayest lisp in history because it makes me seem very suspecious"
It angers me deeply that people in 2015 believe that everyone should be the same. Where sexuality is caused by bad parenting, or bad teaching in schools. The fact that some people have found a "cure", for something totally natural is utterly ridiculous! Being a totally heterosexual man with many gay and bisexual friends, does not mean I'm going to change my sexuality. Why is religion and social pressure such a problem in 2015? Why should you feel the need to "diminish your sexuality?"
finally! someone who agrees with me! trying to change someone's sexuality is just plain wrong! to tell people that being homosexual is because of developmental problems just isnt correct!
Tbis is what I said in the trailer for this doc
***** Sadly it does, and has happened to the LGBT for decades.
This view will not die, and will never die.
But what if it was proven that it was. Their was a proven theory of why people are gay. What would you say then?
But, I am an Cheerleader...
I loved that movie!!
But, Im a Cheerleader is a movie starring Natasha Lyons. Its a interesting movie to watch.
Awesome!!
Not Important that is one of my favourite movies
This is an old post but I just had to thank you. That movie was the first thing that this doc brought to mind but I couldn't remember the title. Haven't seen it in ages.
I always thought they we were being a bit extreme with calling them conversion therapy "survivors" after watching this i understand why
It's so painful hearing the experiences at the end. I can't believe they have been subjected to such horrible behaviour
Why would anyone do this to another human being ? Life is so short, just be you.
Nothing says straight like having a stage play of Jack and his massive beanstalk.
Wth. Conversion therepy doesn't work.
The saddest point I saw was the man who "wants to be a husband, wants to be a father...", you can, you can. Be a loving father and a loving husband in a way that is true to yourself.
Richard Lane Or perhaps he wants to be the rightful father to his actual child with his wife without having to do a run-around. In other words, the way it has always worked.
Some one forces me to go to one of these I will draw a pentagram on the floor and start trying to summon Lucifer.
What a beautiful, heartbreaking documentary. This kind of top-notch reporting is what attracted me to Vice to begin with, and I'm glad they're going back to their roots with uploads like this one.
I also love how this documentary managed to tell both sides of the story without being judgmental. Don't get me wrong, I'm 100% against conversion therapies and I think it's incredibly cruel and immoral for someone to try to change another person's sexuality, but this documentary shows that even the people participating in and running these therapies are just as damaged and troubled. I guess they found a way to cope with their identity crises and sexual abuses in these therapies (albeit in a very conceited, disturbing, and downright wrong way).
Thank you Vice for this informative, beautiful video.
This is heartbreaking. How exactly is this helping?
20:44 Ive followed his story... It hurts my heart that reparative therapy still happens. chick fila gave millions of dollars to exodus international to literally torture gays, then exodus went out of business & apologized. Does that mean exodus will now give that money to damaged LGBT community? wouldnt that be the christian thing to do?
Yes, because a shitty play will instantly change my attraction towards women 😂
So it's a church run camp, but they wear a pouch of 'magic seeds" around there neck? What is this, a jack and the beanstalk church?
+Ian davis God isnt real, and church is a construct by the establishment to control the minds of the people. it has been for almost as long as it existed.
Journey into Manhood (JiM) is not a church run camp. There are many Mormons in it because of its origins but a specific religious belief system is not promoted in it. Jack and the beanstalk is one of the processes done during the weekend and the Freudian symbolism is not lost on it lol.
i know im just now watching this but im absolutely shocked! I'm shocked not just because of what goes down but more so becasue where the journey into manhood "retreat" was held is where i ent to camp as a kid for years.
How Fabulous !!! The cast of Looking went on a retreat to "Bond" some more
This was posted 8 years ago and is more relevant than ever. It's currently 2023 and the same people are pushing legislation to bring it back and criminalize same sex attraction and medical care for transgender people.
I hope 8 years from now (2031) we defeated this bigotry and you're happy, healthy and safe. Most importantly, free to pursue the happiness you deserve.
We're fighting with everything we have for you. 🖤🖤🖤
This is why you shouldn't trust people when people say, "Trust me, I'm a doctor."
Watching this makes me think that some of the treatment I went through at a group home had hints of conversion therapy woven in, specifically in how they tried to convince me I was straight, not bi
I kinda wanna go to one of these even though I know it would be traumatising
I have a lot to say so instead of individually commenting I will edit this comment
Do y’all think the leaders get it on in the broom closet behind the leaders back?
Nothing says Heterosexuality more than theatrical plays
First of all, you cannot change someone's sexual orientation. Second of all, this is probably the least manly camp ever. Normal camping would be way more manly than this, lol.
emlove748 or gender identity
What’s the problem with this? These are people who don’t like their homosexuality and WANT to change it. This isn’t wrong it’s just helping people who don’t want to be gay
it’s because it doesn’t work lmao
I got chills at the beginning of the video
I have laughed so hard at this video thank you I needed this