It’s Not Therapy, It’s Abuse - Ban Conversion Therapy Now
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ม.ค. 2023
- Content warnings: conversion therapy, abuse, coercion, transphobia, psychological harm.
It’s been nearly five years since the UK Government first promised to ban so-called ‘conversion therapy’. Yet today, more than 1.5 million LGBTQ+ people in England and Wales remain at risk of these harmful attempts to ‘cure’ us.
That's why we've launched a new short film alongside 21* other LGBTQ+ organisations, based on the real experiences of conversion therapy survivors.
Conversion therapy doesn’t work. Survivors can suffer from lifelong damage and suffering. It is abuse, pure and simple. And it has to stop.
The UK Government recently moved to put a legislative ban back on the table. But after years of U-turns and broken promises, it's vital that the UK Government does not delay any further, and publishes a draft Bill and timetable for legislation as soon as possible.
The suffering of our communities must end now. Email your MP ⬇️
bit.ly/BCT-email-mp
*List of charities: Equality Network, Gendered Intelligence, GIRES, House of Rainbow, Intercom Trust, It Gets Better UK, LGBT Consortium, LGBT Foundation, Manchester Pride, Naz & Matt Foundation, OneBodyOneFaith, Oxford Pride UK, Peter Tatchell Foundation, Pink Therapy, Pride in London, Queer Britain, Report Out, Scottish Trans, Sparkle - The National Transgender Charity, The Kite Trust, Trans Actual UK.
Produced by Academy films. Agency The&Partnership.
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How can people claim to want to protect children and in then put them through this hell....
What else do you suggest someome with dysphoria does?
Democrats do that all the time when they advocate for abortion, gender affirming care but cry about gun violence
@@silver4831 IDK, allow them to get the treatment they say they need instead of banning it
@@shawnboahene5231 that statement is so braindead, ludicrous and just utterly absurd... _"tHuh mEanie CenTrizTs wUnT lEhT meH sHewT pEopL iN tHe FaCe bUt wAnt tO LeT pEoPle hAvE fReE wiLl aNd HapPy LiVeS!!"_
@@zordorfe So, not pseudoscience religious nonsense?
“Sign here, and you can read it later.” MAJOR red flag.
oh wow, the fact this is still happening makes me want to be sick. how can anyone justify this? even if you don’t ‘believe’ in people being trans, how is this the correct way to treat another person???
Said it yourself, they don't think gender dysphoria is real.
Depends on the definition of conversion therapy.
Is an ipen exploration of concerns in your life and an attempt to resolve any problems other than your gender identity conversion therapy?
I know it’s very sick as from what I saw in this video the girl was forced to take her clothes off and forced to be an opposite sex of herself just for being lesbian it pisses me off how this is still legal fuck you christianity fuck all conversion therapy’s out there I hope all of those people who do this to LBGTQ dies man I just wish to burn those conversion/pray away the gays camps to ashes to the ground that’s how much I hate them I’m a bisexual making this comment by the way
@@tomwright9904 Real gender therapy is one thing, a random religous person useing pseudoscience? No thank you.
@@tomwright9904 What you described, if it was truly just that, does not sound like conversion therapy.
Open ended questions which help someone explore their feelings, understand which choices they actually want to make and why, detangle any co-occurring mental health issues, and consider other factors which might affect how they feel about their identity/body/growing up etc. are part of normal affirming therapy. This already works well in the vast majority of cases, which is why almost all people who transition report being happy with that choice. Detransition rates vary from around 2.5% to less than 1% depending where you look. A large majority of those who detransition report doing so because of the discrimination they faced, not because they were not really trans, and many choose to retransition at a later date. A small number of people do feel they were mistaken/confused, or are unhappy about the standard of care/therapy they received, and that should be taken seriously, but it's rare.
On the other hand, pushing people to think a certain way, seeding doubts in their mind, manipulating them, feeding them false information, pressuring them to fit external expectations, telling them they're mistaken, sick, or sinful, that they can be "cured," that you can "help them accept the truth," telling them they'll never be accepted as their identified gender, coaching them to feel hopeless about how awful life would be after transitioning, degrading the concept of transition, humiliating them, withholding love from them until they conform... all of that is abuse. That's why young LGBTQ+ people who undergo conversion therapy are more than twice as likely to attempt suicide than those who don't (AJPH, 2018).
A friend shared this with me. It’s shook me. Too familiar. For those of you who think it doesn’t happen, that this is just a short film.. IT HAPPENED to me.
I am a transgender man.
I grew up in a Christian family. I believed these things they told me. I believed I was fundamentally wrong. I remember thier words: “your existence is a slap to the face of an almighty powerful creator”. The stuff I went through mirrored this video so closely. Especially the prayer circle. 5 years later and I can still feel the pain and fear of these church people all around me “laying hands on me”.
When I was a teen, in this position, facing this rejection and abuse, I tried to take my life. I thought it was the right thing to do.
Looking back, I can’t believe that thought ever crossed my mind.
For me, this therapy and religious pressure cause huge invisible wounds. I’ve struggled with my mental health significantly. But it couldn’t change who I am. Even this far on, I am still working through the deepest shame I harbor. I am still healing and learning to accept myself.
Today I am just over a week on testosterone therapy. I’m incredibly proud of myself for making it this far. When I told my story at the clinic, the Dr said to me “you are incredibly resilient”. When I reflect on this it, makes me think of everyone else who has gone through similar, or who is still in that position. I fear for other people like me. I made it out of there. But not everyone does.
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I'm so sorry you were put through that🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂❤🧡💛💚💙💜🤎🖤🤍
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Doesn't sound like a Christian group to me. Sounds like persons misusing religion again.
DUDE YOURE A REAL MAN FOR ENDURING THIS... i have no words how awesome you are. you edured this horrific pain, survived, didnt suicide in the end AND STILL PURSUE INTO TURNI G YOUR BODY INTO TRULY YOURS, BECOMING WHO YOU TRULY ARE. you amaze me and give everyone hope. my guy, youre stunning and i am speechless. go on, man!! good luck in your HRT business, and i hope you have overcome that trauma now.
This is exactly what happened to me.The only differences are being in a girl's body, in a Muslim family.
Hope you're doing okay
How are you doing now? Hope things are better for you
I meet patients telling me they are in an anti social body, but they have to go through CBT therapy which is like conversion therapy to make them fit the norm of society.
holy shit dude, i hope you get through that trauma man, you didnt deserve that. religions are horrible. thats what people of religions to do normal innocent homosexual people and transgender people. bro, i hope you can still enjoy life after that. stay strong my man, or they will win this battle, those evil believers. thats why conversion "therapies" and overall religions should be banned.... buddy, never give up because of evil people trying to make you give up. youre awesome for still being who you truly are, even after such hell. youre very determined, and thats awesome.
@@seamusomurchadha2620a body is nothing to do with sociability, these aren't comparable
If u accept your kid is gay/trans…it’s no issue.
If u don’t…it will become the life changing, all deciding issue and you, your kid and their children will forever have to deal with it.
Conversion torture is bullying your kid into suicide and YOU will be responsible and I want u to never forget that!
Banning conversion therapy means conversion therapy for paedophilic people to you do realise that? That means paedophiles will be accepted more they all come under the LGBTQ crap yes even paedophiles congratulations 👏🎉
@@autismandnaturewe're talking about "gay" conversations here Mister
what did even bring pedophilia into this
That’s a lie .. my son was depressed for 1,5 years and self harmed himself for 1 year before he decided to become a girl .. and again and again trying to kill himself being 2 times in psychiatric hospital .. it’s mental illness
say grooming. Stop short-handing the word abuse and bullying by using it here. It IS pedophilia. Homophobia tactics are pedophilia, they are never consensually received, at any age, and it is an attempt to force the genitalia autonomy of a stranger into confirming to sexual expressions you find ideal.
I knew conversion therapy was bad but oh my this is literal torture. I can't imagine how horrible it would be for this to happen to me, and I hope everyone who has or is going through this can get actual help for the trauma this is bound to cause.
I don't know if they would not have been allowed to air it or if there's just that drastic of a difference between the US and other places but this is extremely tame. It's to the point where many people get called liars to their faces when sharing their experiences. Corrective sexual assault, physical humiliation and degradation, and pretty much whatever horrible things you can think of is common. Predators are attracted to places where they have power over others who can't fight back and assumed to be liars then punished if they were to ever speak up about what happened. Hatred and the "I'm right, you're wrong, and theres something wrong with you" mentality only increases the level of abuse because its easier to deal with what you are doing to another person if you believe that you are in the right whether you actually are or not. While it's not a place that was specifically for conversion therapy the Elan School is a strong (don't want to call it good) example of a place where decades of abuse took place and the people who heard the crys of the kids who were permanently ruined from the experience did not believe them or chose to look the other way.
this isn’t the worst of it. Some people are heartless
I’d probably kill myself if I went through this, I feel so bad for the children that have to go through this
This is so sad, man I feel very bad for my LGBTQ+ children in the UK that conversion therapy is still a debate and not long since banned in all forms.
“Sign this now and you can read it later”, major red flag! I hope that parents realise what has happened to their children. This is not okay, this is abuse, and it doesn’t work. It just teaches victims to hide who they truly are.
If someone says that in any context i never trust them that is their guarantee that they is something dodgy in it
@@bencoatesworth7731 definitely. If they say that, they know that they are doing something wrong, or at least dodgy, because they’re just covering their own backs and not actually concerned about the other party.
Anyone reading this, never sign anything before reading it. If someone is pressuring you to sign something before you’ve read it, walk the other way. Rip the paper if you need to.
It's a screen play, don't get too excited. Patients in mental health wards have to do the same thing.
@@seamusomurchadha2620 "Don't get too excited"!? There is nothing to get excited about. And patients in psychiatric care aren't made to sign things before reading them, that doesn't happen under the NHS.
I hope that this is a case of misunderstanding on your part, and yes, I know how screen play works.
@@MultipleStrongMinds That is absolutely correct, read prior to making such sacrifices which certain things could have a negative effect on your wellbeing. Decision-making is paramount to everyone's life. If they were pressuring you to sign those papers, either destroy it by ripping the contract up, or contact your lawyer immediately as this constitutes "signing under duress", which is a contravention against contract law.
thank god my mother was supportive when i came out as gay and me two sister caem out as well our mum is support but Conversion Therapy is not a very good place from what i heard and this is the evdice to ban this Abuse we did not chose to be gay bi trans cause we where born that way its like u where born with a disability that what its like but yeah we where born this way we may not no it when we littile but as we get older we start to experience human emotion towards the same sex and its human and i think that what sum idots need to see that that we are still human so yeah as a gay man this should be ban completely
I am very concerned that therapists acting like this have not already been prosecuted this already ileagal!
Illegal, you mean.
Cutting children up to fit what they think they are at 13 should also be illegal. Even worse, murdering babies.
you're a sick individual.@@seamusomurchadha2620
@@seamusomurchadha2620it is illegal, not sure who told you otherwise
I've seen some powerful short films in my time but I've never had one give me chills like this did. It takes less time to watch than I spent sitting with it afterward, taking it in. I've heard such intense horror stories from autistics who were put through ABA (developed by the same guy who came up with conversion therapy and basically the same thing) as children, their struggles with identity. I don't know how well known a fact it is but David Yost, the original blue power ranger, put himself through conversion therapy and attempted suicide after. And people hate the very concept of transness so much that they'd risk their child's entire life to make them conform. People will still argue it causes no harm, and even worse, that it works at all. It's a shameful practice that should be treated with the disdain it deserves and banned from all places humans consider themselves civilised.
Perhaps because it's an edited video with actors, I assume the 'power' you felt is thanks to them. Hollywood does the same thing.
@@seamusomurchadha2620 Why are you replying to every comment? Sorry bud, but Conversion Therapy is torture.
His eyes at the end...it's like they killed his soul. It's so chilling! I know it's just a film but I actually cried!
HOLD on i recall being forced to be a man! Your mispronouncing
@@anniemayflower9187 Your right sorry! It's a habit so I wasn't thinking. Which pronouns would be appropriate please?
@@BlackRoseRanma i think maybe she/her or even they/them
@@anitadhm_ Thanks for letting me know!
I feel sick. Really I actually do. 🤮
I thought it said conversation therapy and for a second and got confused but good ad
It's isn't a illness, LGBTQ+ people don't need therapy to turn them straight and God had made us all different. We all human beings after all.
Oh, let's not bring bloody 'god' into it!!!! PLEASE!
Sexuality has nothing to do with gender
Gender dysphorie IS a mental illness. If you’re male you can never become female, it’s simply impossible.
@@ElderOfTime Accept it does. Women can be lesbians but men can't viseversa.
@@silver4831oh yes they can, a male can identify in a lesbian woman, still attracted to females, still a male, the only thing you apply the (wrong) name 'woman' and since 1 woman and a female, it's not being straight by definition and therefore it's lesbian! Or is it?
she does not deserve this. this wonderful woman deserves none of this. nobody does! this is torture, abuse is very undermined. this is disgusting and christians say that god is all loving and that christians are good. thats why im proud to be an atheist. this. is. horrible.
Religion is somewhat considered abuse. I am also proud to be an Atheist as well, which I believe that being an Atheist does truly set you free, and be who you want to be, and such religions are nothing but a scam. That woman/non-binary had endured pain and torture by being compelled into conforming that they are not, this had frightened them into hiding their true gender/orientation and feel they were inferior to others.
Who wants to bet that last sound was the chair that she kicked from underneath her as she hung herself after being unaccepted by her family and abused at the center? 😢
This needs to be banned! I emailed by MP twice now but haven’t had any reply, although I’m really not expecting one considering he’s a Tory and is probably supporting this so called therapy.
@@edijester no such thing
@@dumzoawillofficalfpdd4565 I mean it literally exists.
@@silver4831 gender ideology is just a pejorative term for gender studies and transgender related studies used by the anti gender movement.
@@dumzoawillofficalfpdd4565 Do you not know gender dysphoria is medically accepted and studied? It's real my dude.
@@silver4831 I didnt say that? I'm not transphobic. Trans people deserve rights. I respect their gender identity. I think we misunderstood eachother. The person I was replying to was transphobic
I can’t believe that anyone could do this to their child 😢. So difficult to watch . This is child abuse
This film never fails to break my heart and makes me so angry anyway could be so cruel, conversion therapy is abuse. And the young actress is amazing.
Conversion therapy is not therapy, we must speak loud and clear and continue to fight to end the abuse of transgender people, we must destabilise the heteronormative cultures that impacts on the lives of LGBTIQ persons, including religious hatred and ignorance. No one should suffer for who they are and for who they love. The collaboration with communities makes it more important to expose the atrocities of this bad practice.
So cruel and heartbreaking. Let this stop, now, and forever. No doubt so many have been driven to take their lives for something they shouldn’t have any shame or stigma about. I always have and always will petition, regardless that I identify with my born gender as female.
Thank you for this🙏🏻 it means a lot to us.
@@deborahblencowe8101 think again lady. one life is too many. One does not “outbid” the comparison to another.
@@deborahblencowe8101 I’d also guess that the only experiences of “crises” you can relate to, are purely your own. Get a grip and educate yourself before you become even more bigoted and assuming.
@@deborahblencowe8101 the only “faux outrage” is you as a supposed human being. STFU and learn.
@@deborahblencowe8101 nor have you ever seemed to experience abuse. Sick woman.
@ 1:46 what exactly is going on in this scene ?
They are praying for his "sins" and for him to "find the light" to heterosexuality I suppose. A bit like exorcism 🤷♀🤷♀
She's a trans woman, so they try and "fix" that to stop her from being trans.
@@filmingforhumanitywell, its not about homosexuality, this is a trans girl, and theyre trying to convert her back to her initial gender somehow, by "getting rid of" her sins like this.
Heartbreaking to watch 😭
Yes I agree this is making me hate christianity even more and seeing this really dose piss me off I wish to just burn down anything anti-LBGTQ related and it looks like if the government won’t listen than we have no other choice but to protest using violence to get it outlawed permanently
@@sonicytpwitchproductions2876 Well thats kinda mean to LGBTQ+ Christians, plus people of other faiths also conduct conversion "therapy" onto queer people. And yes, conversion therapy must be banned by any means.
@@zordorfe yes I understand
Fair enough.
I'm confused... What needs banning? Certainly trans kids need proper counseling and support. As for the weird religious circle and the intolerance of the family we can't ban that we can only educate.
The religious practice of conversion is what needs banning. Along with all their fake therapy
BAN THAT RETARDED BULLSHIT NOW!!!!!
this isn't "proper counseling and support" this is tourture.
@@pauliesnugI agree. As I said the family is abusive and the religious circle is intolerant but we can't ban those. So what is it we're meant to support banning?
And it says there are three comments here but I can only see 2. What's that about?
This was chilling and so painful to watch. These experiences shouldn't be happening.
I am a psychology student, and graduate member of the British Psychological Society. "Conversion therapy" is something our ethical and regulatory bodies do not endorse or encourage, although I'd say they could be more explicit about their disapproval for the sake of those subject to the "treatment"! Yet, people still practice this vile form of abuse. It is all based in cis-hetero normativity, bigotry, ignorance and lack of proper training with regards to the LGBTQIA+ community. It disgusts me that this still happens to people at all.
Some general suggestions for anyone who is part of the queer community in the UK:
If you are seeking therapy - whether privately or within the NHS, ask any therapist/counsellor prior to meeting them in person (contact via online forms, email, telephone etc):
- if they have any training or experience working with clients who are LGBTQIA+ (specifically which identity, orientation or relationship style you are looking to explore - you could do this through a secondary email address and use a pseudonym if you didn't feel safe giving personal details).
- ask them sepcifically if they agree with conversion therapy.
- Also, prior to seeking therapy - consider what your goals are, what you'd like therapy to help with, and how you think it will help.
- Check out the regulatory bodies and memberships that therapists and counsellors may be registered with - there are different ones, and this may depend on their level or type of qualification too. It is good to know which ones the practitioner is part of, as these organisations/bodies allow this person to practice legally. HCPC, BPS, UKCP, BACP are just some.
- who they have insurance with, and who you could contact if you had a complaint about their practice. (Think of all of this as safe-guarding yourself)
- for a run down of their credentials and experience. Anyone worth their salt will not mind explaining their qualifications to you (even if you only ask about their most advanced qualifiation) those who do are defensive tend to be all about being the 'expert in a position of power' - this for me is a major red flag, and absolutely ground for not seeing that 'professional', because as the client, you are the 'expert' on yourself.
- ask what their policy is on physical contact and proximity (e.g. do they hug their clients? Do they offer online services?)
- Consider a therapist who is your own gender (especially if you feel unsafe with a particular gender).
- Look for 'Pink Therapists' - these practitioners have undergone LGBTQIA+ specific qualifications and workshops, meaning they are safer for queer folx. Some practitioners list books they have read as part of 'CPD' (continuing professional development) and reading a book is not the same as engaging in training and supervision with LGBTQIA+ issues or folx, so reading is secondary to qualitifcations.
- look for Affirming therapists - people who accept your identity and how you express yourself. Therapists are not meant to tell you you're defective and need to change - you decide what you want from therapy.
- consider asking if therapists/counsellors provide consession/reduced fees for clients who are from lower income backgrounds, students, etc.
During therapy:
- establish your pronouns and preferred name/nickname.
- make clear your preferenes surrounding proximity/touch - do you handshake?
- consider telling someone where you are if you are seeing a private practitioner
- consider your transport to/from the service. If you feel vulnerable after a session, is there a safe place to go?
Should you have any issues in therapy (e.g. breech of confidentiality outside of safeguarding issues, unwanted touch, pressure to participate in research, or anything like we saw in the video):
- remember that a bad experience in therapy is not representative of all therapists, or all types of therapy. E.g. If CBT doesn't work, look for another approach.
- if a therapist causes you harm, do not be afraid to complain, report them, stop seing them again, or to walk out during a session. You can consider whether you want to complain and/or report them to their regulatory body, and/or police as well, based on their conduct. But look after yourself, most importantly.
You do know this is a drama not a documentary?
Lol, psychology. May as well be astrology. Enjoy learning things that in 20 years will have been scrubbed from all the textbooks and denied at every opportunity.
You're a homophobic disgrace.
Sort of unrelated question, is psychology a difficult subject to pursue? I really want to be a psychologist or therapist or something later in life but I’m afraid that I’ll fall behind or it will be too overwhelming and I’ll eventually stop wanting to learn about it because it causes too much stress.
Or we educate youth and make them aware of young offender legislation which minimizes the cost for them if they engage in acts that reduce the number of conversion therapists.
It sure seems like England has a really hard time tackling issues. Must be an awful place.
It is a nice place run by awful people.
@@SCLOUD3112 Is it really though? We have so many hateful people here.
As a transgender person, I can express my opinion that the video only portrays an extreme and somewhat traumatic aspect that is not necessarily in all cases. I think the best approach they can take if they consider themselves serious is to strike a balance between objectivity and honesty when discussing the transgender issue as this was propagandist.
Sensitivity and respect are essential to maintaining a constructive dialogue and promoting equal rights and understanding. Just as we fight for recognition, we must also help those who are confused to see that after surgery there is no complete happiness, and that it all depends on addressing self-esteem."
in my case my family supported me and i was not socially influenced like some cases i have seen that end up damaging our fight making it look like a fad.
My word, that was chilling.
Powerful film 🏳️🌈⚧️. Thank you for making this.
Is this to make him a girl or the other way round? Confused
She's a trans woman, so they try and "fix" that to stop her from being trans.
They are trying to make her go back to being a boy. This is super late, but she came out as a trans girl and they are trying to make her a boy
@@Alma_asahina don't think it works like this
@@adamgrimsley2900 pretty sure it does
She is a trans girl- she was born a boy but wants to be a girl. Those people are trying to force her to be a cis boy
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So let me get this "straight"
Daniel is a male teen. But wants to be tr@nz or a fem gae? They sent him to conversion "therapy" and got off easy from what I can tell. And when he went home, he looked like the life has been sucked out of him and is veritably a zombie.
Daniel {or Donna/ Dianna} is either going to delete themselves or run away, end up in some messed up situations, do the messiest of adult entertainment, get onto street substances and may rush any procedures he'll/they'd have to go through.
Honestly, I Get that the family gave birth to a boy and wants him to stay a boy; but they should just let him express himself a bit, don't press the issue and give it some time. Then when he's 22+ he can do what he pleases.
I also have to enquire, how long was the "wanting to be a girl" thing going on for. there are certain ques that manifest when the child is growing up. what happened there.
Also the whole "take off your clothes" yikes - i know where that went. poor thing
*Wasn't the UK banning conversion "therapy" a while back, but people rallied in the streets to protest it or something?
I'm confused.
you are pretending to be concerned
You’re not confused dude. Trolling isn’t a good pastime
youre a real psychotic transphobe here.. are you like having fun watching others suffer? "yikes, poor thing.."?? youre inhumane. and such horrific people like you are the kids of god? then god must he a real piece of shit...
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W therapy
Bible supports conversion therapy
"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)
"Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God." (1 Corinthians 6:9)
The "Such were some of you" is conversion therapy.
Yeah, well it's still torture. And it doesn't even work.
We are all beautiful and deserve to be able to be ourselves without fear of abuse. Too many have suffered; how many more will suffer because the UK government fails to act?
Christiban and Taliban ...same same
Happiness, love and compassion ❤️🩹 this is what human being needs. Who cares? If he’s happy and healthy ❤
she's* she is a trans woman. youre heartless for this. i dont believe you have any empathy if youre saying such things. youre disgusting.