@@ZorrowTasogare92 No it doesn't. What's not to understand, you cannot track perfectly on MnK. There's no inherent recoil smoothing, you have to actually give a shit and try, plus movement messes up your shots half the time. And then when you get shot the stun from it messes up your shots again. Meanwhile controller bots sit with thumbsticks go brr
@@rhyvehr sure bro we just sit there and go brrrr and win😂 so fucking stupid if it’s so bad switch if not then it’s not that bad! Jesus Christ y’all act like aim assist literally does everything for us I’ve been playing since day one and this is a MOVEMENT GAME I make people miss all the fucking time and hit my shots not cuz of aim assist and sometimes I don’t but I know it took me a long time to master the recoil patterns and train my hands maybe you try the same and maybe you’ll be able to track better because I see plenty of people on mnk able to track just as well if not better then controller players 🤷🏾♂️
@@Emc28s So basically you're going "Well some MnK players are better than controller players" which is not the debated point. The point is the skill cieling is much lower on controller, meaning it's super easy to reach masters level at the moment while on PC it' requires years of practice.. or to be some 16 year old kid on a sports team with crazy reflexes.
@@JiDoubleGTV i mean he has a point. clearly he has the ability to be a pro gamer. if he had started on mnk 20 years ago or whatever he'd be crazy good.
@@Femi9robin Lots of 10 years ago MnK apex pros had to switch to controller. EA ruined apex for MnK, this is well known. If you don't have aim assist, it's impossible to compete against a decent controller player.
I switch back and forth between a PS5 controller and mouse. I can easily say that the registration is way different on controller because of the automatic micro adjustments. Basically once you get your Crosshair on the person you can just hold the trigger and if they move left or right it's going to aim for you. Mouse and keyboard is way harder and takes way more skill because you can't just run like a coward and then hold a corner. As soon as somebody comes around the corner the Crosshair Picks Them Up and they automatically get one clipped whereas with a mouse you actually have to have insane reaction time and tracing abilities.
And half the m&k players would be bots if you took away bullshit key binds that allow you to do movement controller can’t do. Pretty simple to understand that there’s ups and downs for both input methods there bucko
@@BExAxKING no they wouldn’t lmao. It’s still a shooter and aim matters the most. Without the 0ms reaction time that roller aim assist has they wouldn’t get the insane beams they do now and MnK would take over. Also most MnK players would much rather Roller have movement than have busted ass aim assist that tracks for you.
It's just an insane concept to me that high end players in an FPS would choose a controller over a mouse, it's undeniable evidence that controller is busted and needs fixing. The real issue is that crappy low skill kids wouldn't play if they didn't feel good about themselves so it will remain...
They made MnK feel like shit. I was practicing with my teammate and we noticed that once you get shot at on MnK, it throws your shots off. It's basically they added a ton of BS that makes MnK impossible to master And yeah it's insane to me too because more skill should mean more reward but rn a half braindead controller kid can beat a maximum effort PC player while sittkng back at his desk eating cheetos, even though he isn't actually better at anything. Controller isn't affected by any of this because of its inherent recoil smoothing.
@@rhyvehr nah thats a mechanic called bullet punch essentially when you are flesh your camera gets kicked when you get shot this means that once you're on flesh you're at a huge disadvantage, it dilutes skill because it makes it harder/luck based for a skilled player to win a fight from a health disadvantage this doesn't affect roller nearly as much as it does mnk because roller aims for you so the camera kick doesn't fuck with your aim nearly as much bullet punch and bullet slow are skill diluting mechanics that have become too common in modern fps games
@AQvc clearly you have never seen movements from controller players try watching Extesyy. the movement is better on pc argument is not the same as it was in season 6 and below
@AQvc cause its a new experience for me. i rarely beams consistently on mnk unlike on controller so its been hella fun and satisfying to do. however i do agree mnk movement are way better and feels so smooth.
There's nothing wrong, with being an MnK in this game if you have ample amount of experience and good game sense. Contesting Aim Assist is annoying, but not to the point where it is unplayable. The difference is for a young, inexperienced player who play this game. If they had no background in either inputs and decide to try MnK, they'd soon realize that it's not worth it for a game with aim assist. They would either switch or they'd branch out to a game like Valorant or R6, and then completely forget Apex. And even when they decide to come back, the games are so much different that they'd have a hard time adjusting. That's what it means when we say MnK is a dying breed.
When you get higher rank or lots of hours it is more than annoing. The thing is you can play 10 times smarter than a controller player and still lose to aim assist every time. I have played probably more than 20000 games1and atleast 2000 games with controllers on my team and pretty much 99% use the aim assist as a cruch. Even if there are a few exemptions most controller players look braindead playing the game even if winning every game.
I agree, I'm newish to the game relative to it coming out, coming from warzone, I learned MnK a little before this game this past summer but really became more skilled with it from being so addicted to this game, to where I felt like I was good at the game, it's only the up and close fights that aim assist is a problem but even then you can still win, I imagine it's different at those extremely high ranks but I never felt like fights were unwinnable because I was on MnK, it was because my aim was not as good as it could have been. Even then you have these characters that can get you to use abilities that outplay so that straight 1v1 aiming isn't the issue. Even then it's rare that it comes down to simply 1v1 aim at each other, who gets the first shots, who has the better armor, the right heals, I think there's so many more variables than aim assist to make it that highly regarded as the end all be all imo. Upon hearing so many of these arguments I tried switching back to controller see how busted it is and I couldn't believe how braindead I was, it's so much harder to aim than lol aim assist as many MnK people want you to believe. People say lol it just aims for you, not really, it does take skill to do that too. To me it seems like a crutch for people that aren't as good as they want to be, they're in denial about their skill level. But MnK is simply way more fun, so enjoy your bot movement while I keybind all my shit and press these highly satisfying to press buttons on my psychedelic lighting up devices not even caring that I'm not the best at games made for children
@@aldysyahputra6967 there's this video of mande watching 2 controller players fighting in smoke and missing everything , all he had to say was not to nerf AA so his friends won't lose theire job
I think everything he's missing when he makes the comparison at the end is that if two people who had never played video games before started playing on the same day one using a mouse and the other on controller, the controller player would become far better far faster.. There's no comparison when it comes to average skill gaps and ceilings.
I mean he is, or it vary from player to player, I got over 5k hours on M&K and about 100 hours if that on roller and I still beam on controller I am currently dim 4
@@Voided96 exactly you are diamond 4. if you cant achieve at least masters on either input, you don't get it. people like snipedown have that natural ability that sets them apart. if he started on the keys, he would be a great M&K player.
LOL as an M&K player that strafing right to left rapidly while ADS at close range will miss you alot. Now you know M&K will get beat down by an aim asssist in close quarter battle. The technique used there when ads is to strafe on one direction all the way while adjusting your aim.
"It's annoying" Ofc it is when 100% of everything has to be done manually... There is no help from brother AI robot helping you by 40% to track opponents... THe harders is to track while the target is changing strafe sides... this is totally canceled on roller since it is done by you while you can just focus on moving left to right and holding the trigger...
I'm a master apex player, master in ow2, and imm3 in val. Tons of aim training experience too. In no mnk game will a low level player beat me in an even fight. But in apex, I've been 1 clipped by no skin low levels who prob are slumped in their chair with cheeto dust on their dusty ass shirt. Lmao, but for real, controller has a big advantage in this game compared to mnk in the aim department. It's not uncommon for a new player to just randomly 1 clip you with an SMg on accident, which should never happen in a competitive game
I’m better at aim on mouse but my movement and all the other heal actions I’m a bot on MNK. Yeah I’m firing range I can tap strafe but I can’t even think while in a fight to use that I just dead slide and look like an idiot or forget how to switch to secondary or put away my gun to run, movement is the hard part for me on MNK
Keep your mouse hand and respective elbow as close to your center as possible (don’t flare out but slant in towards your middle) and you can game all day with no pain. I play controller now but before I would drive a car for 8+ hours then come home and grind ranked for 8+ hours on mnk and I never felt any wrist or hand pain when proper form was applied.
@Dexter'sstepsister i dont know if anything would help, i have like 5000 hours of apex and my arm is damaged for life , and i would bet i got way better results with 500 hours of playing controller because it is broken and damaging to the game enough that i stopped watching controller players. I watch Rich sometimes, just for the entertainment, never for the kills or damage. i also stopped watching Hal regularly after he switched to controller. I like Smart play and aim assist is ruining my experience watching. I do not care what celeb say it is fine, it is still ruining my experience watching because i have the time in game to know how broken it is. I thought it was fun to watch nickmercs because he was underdog andhad a pretty impressive learning curve. If he did the same and almost got qualified on m&k i would watch him forever. Playing on controller is actually the only reason he got close to qualify. even if i really like his story and him trying so hard it is just not fair even if he earned some respect for what he did.
There is alot of arguments for controllers being broken in terms of how much aim assist gives you a leg up against MnK by making your aim magnatize on enemies, but has this issue not already been adressed by Respawn a couple years ago? I thought that the aim assist on Apex had been adusted to actually have a lower nuerical value to the amount it will magnatize compared to other games that use game-pads. I was under the impression that everyone had outgrown the controller nerf a while ago and skill level was just naturally going up with time. Genuinely, is there more that can be done? Should there be different changes, or just keep decreasing the aim assist values? Personally, I've played on handhelds since the release of the Gameboy Advance SP when I was 6 years old. I don't play on MnK because I'm 25 now and have only ever used a controller since that's what I'm used to and become good at with all those years staying on controller-esque hardware. If I were to suddenly not be able to use a controller, I just really couldn't even play the game anymore and would have to give up on competative FPSs. It's not because I chose the easy way of the controller, I've just always been on a controller and grown up familiarising myself with many game consoles. When I try MnK, now it hurts my hands reaching keys, fumbling for the right key without looking on occasion and holding them down, plus, I get tired from having correct, restrictive posture and finding the desk space to play with all the peripherals. Maybe I just need to get over it, but it causes me really bad discomfort and pain and it doesn't help that I have smaller hands so I'm always straining for the keys. FPSs are some of my favourite genres for longer playing sessions, but when I bought Black Ops 4 and realised there was no aim assist, I could only give it my best go, but it was unplayable without any aim assist. Controllers truly do the that system in place to even function for precision. I haven't touched Black Ops 4 since it came out because it's invalidated all my years of gaming expiriences, deeming me an undesirable person to even play the game. Is there a solution to this? I know people want to complain, but I can really think of no answers and would be interested in knowing if there is a solution that doesn't have me quit, or git gud on MnK. I'll never catch up the skill level of MnK players at this point without a huge investment of free time re-learning how to play everything, so please don't be dismissive. This is a real problem, especially for people like me who feel like the Apex community hates them for wanting to play games with them. The problems need solutions instead of all the hate that people wish on me for wanting to have the same fun as them.
I am 39 years old, I play aimlab 1-2 hours a day, there is so many players on controller today I am literally without option, all I can do is improve in aiming, movement and position but at the end of the day for as long as apex aim assist is this good I will never be able to compete whatsoever, I have to play so different compered to couple years ago you have no idea how I just want to give up because I dont have the time to spend this much time trying to improve and never ever reach anywhere near the consistency of a controller player.
Funny controller players get so butthurt when people point out the obvious. Would be interesting to see what his controller play without aa looks like .
They watch those videos from rollers that state "I played 5 months without AA and this is how it went" yet he makes 15 minutes highlight video from 5 months of game time? That is just funny :D
50 hours?? Dawg if you have 50 hours on any input and aren’t beaming you are azz. It takes 30 minutes to dial in a mouse and start beaming so bringing up 50 hours is crazy
@@eummi it took you an entire day?? Dawg switching to MnK the only thing I struggled with was movement. Beaming people was almost immediate. How tf do you struggle my guy, your aim literally moves with your hand lmfao
ppl making as big a deal out of a difference of 40% - 60% aim assist, (basically a setting difference of 2/5 - 3/5) and saying "the controller aims for you" when it doesnt even matter. both controller and MnK have their advantages and disadvantages, if you've aim trained alot on MnK its a lot more accurate than controller because you can micromanage the recoil and your recovery rate from a mistake is totally based upon your own skill. controller recoil is harder to micromanage with the limited axis of the joysticks but has a 20% increase on aim assist which allows for more room for error when aiming. that said a great Controller player will win the 1v1 in a fight with a great MnK player out in the open, but a great MnK player will win the 1v1 against a great controller player in small spaces that allow for movement tech. there's so much shit that goes into this that is so much more than just a 20% difference on aim assist.
There's a reason people who have been on Mouse for over 5 years straight all of a sudden switch to controller and within six months get to the same skill level.. Lol
He's not abusing recoil smoothing.. dude is just standing still while aiming. Hopefully he can master it. And the thing about playing on MnK is that you need to be consistent, meaning you have to be playing almost all the time to strengthen your muscle memory and aim. If you quit for a week or so, you can see how your aim will deteriorate.
@@NoHope_ Because controller is easier* And requires less skill* which means it's sad that *less skilled players* are winning tournaments over *people putting actual effort and hours into the game* It's also why the pro scene is dying because controller is boring as sin to watch. Who tf cares to watch someone slowly turn around
If Snipe is already a decent, better than the average controller player then I think he has the ability to be good on MnK within a short amount of time. I think this is because you already learn how to snap to targets, tracking and all the basics of aiming that you just need to get used to using your whole hands and arm to move and shoot instead of your thumbs. For example: at season 0-2 I could barely get 200 damage on MnK, then I stopped and played again but on controller on my PS4 for 6 seasons, season 6 to 12. The first season was hard like on MnK, 220 damage was my average. Then I got better as time goes and finally got my first 4k 20bomb in season 9. I then got a gaming PC during the 11th season of Apex and tried MnK. I did sucked at first but after about 4 weeks I was getting 2ks and over every 4-10 matches on MnK. It may just me though, and maybe some other people that I know in my Discord friends list that I've played with.
Snipe wouldn’t even hit masters without roller lol people don’t realize how hard roller Carry’s gameplay. Hal even said if they banned Roller from ALGs they would have to drop Hal because he can’t play MnK.
That's why controller player have no aim skill... Becoz they know only one thing just press tha controller button hit all the shot.....mnk player have 100 % aim skill... No computer assist
Lol I felt this when I tried controller, except sometimes the AA would take over and I'd hit beams I'd never hit on M&K.
Well you can lower your sens more that would help
@@ZorrowTasogare92 No it doesn't.
What's not to understand, you cannot track perfectly on MnK. There's no inherent recoil smoothing, you have to actually give a shit and try, plus movement messes up your shots half the time.
And then when you get shot the stun from it messes up your shots again.
Meanwhile controller bots sit with thumbsticks go brr
@@rhyvehr sure bro we just sit there and go brrrr and win😂 so fucking stupid if it’s so bad switch if not then it’s not that bad! Jesus Christ y’all act like aim assist literally does everything for us I’ve been playing since day one and this is a MOVEMENT GAME I make people miss all the fucking time and hit my shots not cuz of aim assist and sometimes I don’t but I know it took me a long time to master the recoil patterns and train my hands maybe you try the same and maybe you’ll be able to track better because I see plenty of people on mnk able to track just as well if not better then controller players 🤷🏾♂️
@Stein Mauer I'm at 400 dpi and 2.3 in game. I used to be at 400 and 1.8
@@Emc28s So basically you're going "Well some MnK players are better than controller players" which is not the debated point. The point is the skill cieling is much lower on controller, meaning it's super easy to reach masters level at the moment while on PC it' requires years of practice.. or to be some 16 year old kid on a sports team with crazy reflexes.
the stuttering when called out he actually had to aim in MnK lmao
Truth was spoken, so there is hard to find excuses 😅
@@JiDoubleGTV i mean he has a point. clearly he has the ability to be a pro gamer. if he had started on mnk 20 years ago or whatever he'd be crazy good.
Dude is a pro aa hater just get gud or switch lmao
@@Femi9robin Lots of 10 years ago MnK apex pros had to switch to controller.
EA ruined apex for MnK, this is well known. If you don't have aim assist, it's impossible to compete against a decent controller player.
@Rhyvehr I agree controller > mnk for apex. However your view is just wrong there are lots of mnk pros currently competing at this very moment
he 100% starts stuttering when he realizes how easy controller beams are lol
I switch back and forth between a PS5 controller and mouse. I can easily say that the registration is way different on controller because of the automatic micro adjustments. Basically once you get your Crosshair on the person you can just hold the trigger and if they move left or right it's going to aim for you. Mouse and keyboard is way harder and takes way more skill because you can't just run like a coward and then hold a corner. As soon as somebody comes around the corner the Crosshair Picks Them Up and they automatically get one clipped whereas with a mouse you actually have to have insane reaction time and tracing abilities.
Half the controller players would be bots if they nerfed aim assist that’s a fact
Yep, it’s simple, if they took out the rotational part that tracks for you and has 0ms reaction time, MnK would take over lmao.
And half the m&k players would be bots if you took away bullshit key binds that allow you to do movement controller can’t do. Pretty simple to understand that there’s ups and downs for both input methods there bucko
@@BExAxKING no they wouldn’t lmao. It’s still a shooter and aim matters the most. Without the 0ms reaction time that roller aim assist has they wouldn’t get the insane beams they do now and MnK would take over. Also most MnK players would much rather Roller have movement than have busted ass aim assist that tracks for you.
not half, 80%++
@@BExAxKING what movements i wanna know that MnK uses to fuck you up. Cuz i want them
It's just an insane concept to me that high end players in an FPS would choose a controller over a mouse, it's undeniable evidence that controller is busted and needs fixing.
The real issue is that crappy low skill kids wouldn't play if they didn't feel good about themselves so it will remain...
They made MnK feel like shit. I was practicing with my teammate and we noticed that once you get shot at on MnK, it throws your shots off. It's basically they added a ton of BS that makes MnK impossible to master
And yeah it's insane to me too because more skill should mean more reward but rn a half braindead controller kid can beat a maximum effort PC player while sittkng back at his desk eating cheetos, even though he isn't actually better at anything.
Controller isn't affected by any of this because of its inherent recoil smoothing.
@@rhyvehr nah thats a mechanic called bullet punch
essentially when you are flesh your camera gets kicked when you get shot
this means that once you're on flesh you're at a huge disadvantage, it dilutes skill because it makes it harder/luck based for a skilled player to win a fight from a health disadvantage
this doesn't affect roller nearly as much as it does mnk because roller aims for you so the camera kick doesn't fuck with your aim nearly as much
bullet punch and bullet slow are skill diluting mechanics that have become too common in modern fps games
For anyone complaining about controller just tap strafe and move out the way🤷🏽♂️
@@GBHD7414 something tells me you don't know what tap strafing is
not to mention pro's careers lol and orgs
I have fun with mnk but you can feel the roller roast.
used to mnk for years, but when i tried controller i started beaming people. it's genuinely more fun
@AQvc clearly you have never seen movements from controller players try watching Extesyy.
the movement is better on pc argument is not the same as it was in season 6 and below
I haven't showered in months
@@melakuwondemagegne3873they still can’t tap strafe properly without macros tho…
@AQvc cause its a new experience for me. i rarely beams consistently on mnk unlike on controller so its been hella fun and satisfying to do. however i do agree mnk movement are way better and feels so smooth.
@@Neon1880 you realize that binding w to scroll wheel is basically creating a macro right lmao
There's nothing wrong, with being an MnK in this game if you have ample amount of experience and good game sense. Contesting Aim Assist is annoying, but not to the point where it is unplayable.
The difference is for a young, inexperienced player who play this game. If they had no background in either inputs and decide to try MnK, they'd soon realize that it's not worth it for a game with aim assist. They would either switch or they'd branch out to a game like Valorant or R6, and then completely forget Apex. And even when they decide to come back, the games are so much different that they'd have a hard time adjusting.
That's what it means when we say MnK is a dying breed.
When you get higher rank or lots of hours it is more than annoing. The thing is you can play 10 times smarter than a controller player and still lose to aim assist every time. I have played probably more than 20000 games1and atleast 2000 games with controllers on my team and pretty much 99% use the aim assist as a cruch. Even if there are a few exemptions most controller players look braindead playing the game even if winning every game.
@@aeo1976 "cough" nickmercs "cough" nicewigg "cough"
I agree, I'm newish to the game relative to it coming out, coming from warzone, I learned MnK a little before this game this past summer but really became more skilled with it from being so addicted to this game, to where I felt like I was good at the game, it's only the up and close fights that aim assist is a problem but even then you can still win, I imagine it's different at those extremely high ranks but I never felt like fights were unwinnable because I was on MnK, it was because my aim was not as good as it could have been. Even then you have these characters that can get you to use abilities that outplay so that straight 1v1 aiming isn't the issue. Even then it's rare that it comes down to simply 1v1 aim at each other, who gets the first shots, who has the better armor, the right heals, I think there's so many more variables than aim assist to make it that highly regarded as the end all be all imo.
Upon hearing so many of these arguments I tried switching back to controller see how busted it is and I couldn't believe how braindead I was, it's so much harder to aim than lol aim assist as many MnK people want you to believe. People say lol it just aims for you, not really, it does take skill to do that too. To me it seems like a crutch for people that aren't as good as they want to be, they're in denial about their skill level.
But MnK is simply way more fun, so enjoy your bot movement while I keybind all my shit and press these highly satisfying to press buttons on my psychedelic lighting up devices not even caring that I'm not the best at games made for children
@@Cold84 this isn't a game for kids dude, tell me you are not a gamer and that you suck without telling me that you suck
@@aldysyahputra6967 there's this video of mande watching 2 controller players fighting in smoke and missing everything , all he had to say was not to nerf AA so his friends won't lose theire job
I think everything he's missing when he makes the comparison at the end is that if two people who had never played video games before started playing on the same day one using a mouse and the other on controller, the controller player would become far better far faster.. There's no comparison when it comes to average skill gaps and ceilings.
He isn't wrong I've been on mnk since 2017 so I get it I just can't use controller
I mean he is, or it vary from player to player, I got over 5k hours on M&K and about 100 hours if that on roller and I still beam on controller I am currently dim 4
@@Voided96 exactly you are diamond 4. if you cant achieve at least masters on either input, you don't get it. people like snipedown have that natural ability that sets them apart. if he started on the keys, he would be a great M&K player.
LOL as an M&K player that strafing right to left rapidly while ADS at close range will miss you alot. Now you know M&K will get beat down by an aim asssist in close quarter battle. The technique used there when ads is to strafe on one direction all the way while adjusting your aim.
"It's annoying" Ofc it is when 100% of everything has to be done manually... There is no help from brother AI robot helping you by 40% to track opponents... THe harders is to track while the target is changing strafe sides... this is totally canceled on roller since it is done by you while you can just focus on moving left to right and holding the trigger...
I'm a master apex player, master in ow2, and imm3 in val. Tons of aim training experience too. In no mnk game will a low level player beat me in an even fight. But in apex, I've been 1 clipped by no skin low levels who prob are slumped in their chair with cheeto dust on their dusty ass shirt.
Lmao, but for real, controller has a big advantage in this game compared to mnk in the aim department. It's not uncommon for a new player to just randomly 1 clip you with an SMg on accident, which should never happen in a competitive game
If AA get nerfed then lots of pro will lose their job
Those pro's arnt really good if a nerf causes them to loose their job.
I’m better at aim on mouse but my movement and all the other heal actions I’m a bot on MNK. Yeah I’m firing range I can tap strafe but I can’t even think while in a fight to use that I just dead slide and look like an idiot or forget how to switch to secondary or put away my gun to run, movement is the hard part for me on MNK
even with mnk he still looks like he’s on roller
actually
funny how the opposite is the true when mnk players try controller and they laser shots they would never on mnk and surprise themselves
getting rly good at a game has a lot to do with ur mindset. thats why nerfing controller would not lead to pros loosing their jobs
All i heard is "im an assisted freak i want my aim assist to play for me i suck at aiming"
It's harder to be pro for 20 years on MnK tho, it hurts ur arm more from what I know
naa just like claw
Keep your mouse hand and respective elbow as close to your center as possible (don’t flare out but slant in towards your middle) and you can game all day with no pain.
I play controller now but before I would drive a car for 8+ hours then come home and grind ranked for 8+ hours on mnk and I never felt any wrist or hand pain when proper form was applied.
@Dexter'sstepsister i dont know if anything would help, i have like 5000 hours of apex and my arm is damaged for life , and i would bet i got way better results with 500 hours of playing controller because it is broken and damaging to the game enough that i stopped watching controller players. I watch Rich sometimes, just for the entertainment, never for the kills or damage. i also stopped watching Hal regularly after he switched to controller. I like Smart play and aim assist is ruining my experience watching. I do not care what celeb say it is fine, it is still ruining my experience watching because i have the time in game to know how broken it is. I thought it was fun to watch nickmercs because he was underdog andhad a pretty impressive learning curve. If he did the same and almost got qualified on m&k i would watch him forever. Playing on controller is actually the only reason he got close to qualify. even if i really like his story and him trying so hard it is just not fair even if he earned some respect for what he did.
It's more about people don't care about ergonomics
Does your arm inherently get f'd up from working out? No.
Same thing, just learn to do stretches first.
yeah and it took hal 2 days and he wins algs and gets mvp and in consideration for one of the best controller players lol
There is alot of arguments for controllers being broken in terms of how much aim assist gives you a leg up against MnK by making your aim magnatize on enemies, but has this issue not already been adressed by Respawn a couple years ago? I thought that the aim assist on Apex had been adusted to actually have a lower nuerical value to the amount it will magnatize compared to other games that use game-pads. I was under the impression that everyone had outgrown the controller nerf a while ago and skill level was just naturally going up with time.
Genuinely, is there more that can be done? Should there be different changes, or just keep decreasing the aim assist values?
Personally, I've played on handhelds since the release of the Gameboy Advance SP when I was 6 years old. I don't play on MnK because I'm 25 now and have only ever used a controller since that's what I'm used to and become good at with all those years staying on controller-esque hardware.
If I were to suddenly not be able to use a controller, I just really couldn't even play the game anymore and would have to give up on competative FPSs. It's not because I chose the easy way of the controller, I've just always been on a controller and grown up familiarising myself with many game consoles. When I try MnK, now it hurts my hands reaching keys, fumbling for the right key without looking on occasion and holding them down, plus, I get tired from having correct, restrictive posture and finding the desk space to play with all the peripherals. Maybe I just need to get over it, but it causes me really bad discomfort and pain and it doesn't help that I have smaller hands so I'm always straining for the keys.
FPSs are some of my favourite genres for longer playing sessions, but when I bought Black Ops 4 and realised there was no aim assist, I could only give it my best go, but it was unplayable without any aim assist. Controllers truly do the that system in place to even function for precision. I haven't touched Black Ops 4 since it came out because it's invalidated all my years of gaming expiriences, deeming me an undesirable person to even play the game.
Is there a solution to this? I know people want to complain, but I can really think of no answers and would be interested in knowing if there is a solution that doesn't have me quit, or git gud on MnK. I'll never catch up the skill level of MnK players at this point without a huge investment of free time re-learning how to play everything, so please don't be dismissive. This is a real problem, especially for people like me who feel like the Apex community hates them for wanting to play games with them. The problems need solutions instead of all the hate that people wish on me for wanting to have the same fun as them.
I am 39 years old, I play aimlab 1-2 hours a day, there is so many players on controller today I am literally without option, all I can do is improve in aiming, movement and position but at the end of the day for as long as apex aim assist is this good I will never be able to compete whatsoever, I have to play so different compered to couple years ago you have no idea how I just want to give up because I dont have the time to spend this much time trying to improve and never ever reach anywhere near the consistency of a controller player.
@@GoldenArtsOnline if I may ask, how many hours do you have on aimlab?
look at all the side to side tracking you have to do yourself :D
EXACTLY. Like beams from 150m away is easy on both platforms if they aren’t just spam strafing, but close range? Hell no
You have to do it yourself anyways
VINDICATIOOON!!
Snipe:i have maybe a thousand hours on mnk
Me who barely has 100 hours on controller after swapping from 4k hour mnk i got over 2k kills
Funny controller players get so butthurt when people point out the obvious. Would be interesting to see what his controller play without aa looks like .
They watch those videos from rollers that state "I played 5 months without AA and this is how it went" yet he makes 15 minutes highlight video from 5 months of game time? That is just funny :D
I have like a 50 hrs in controller and im beaming lol tf he switching in mnk? 😂
Wanted to show how hard M&K actually is.
50 hours?? Dawg if you have 50 hours on any input and aren’t beaming you are azz. It takes 30 minutes to dial in a mouse and start beaming so bringing up 50 hours is crazy
@@etotensei8612 30 mins?? bruh it took me a day to find a proper grip nevermind actually tracking and snapping. you must be the next tenz i guess.
@@eummi it took you an entire day?? Dawg switching to MnK the only thing I struggled with was movement. Beaming people was almost immediate. How tf do you struggle my guy, your aim literally moves with your hand lmfao
@@etotensei8612 it's my first time playing apex on a roller so 50 hrs is a big deal for me
ppl making as big a deal out of a difference of 40% - 60% aim assist, (basically a setting difference of 2/5 - 3/5) and saying "the controller aims for you" when it doesnt even matter. both controller and MnK have their advantages and disadvantages, if you've aim trained alot on MnK its a lot more accurate than controller because you can micromanage the recoil and your recovery rate from a mistake is totally based upon your own skill. controller recoil is harder to micromanage with the limited axis of the joysticks but has a 20% increase on aim assist which allows for more room for error when aiming.
that said a great Controller player will win the 1v1 in a fight with a great MnK player out in the open, but a great MnK player will win the 1v1 against a great controller player in small spaces that allow for movement tech. there's so much shit that goes into this that is so much more than just a 20% difference on aim assist.
There's a reason people who have been on Mouse for over 5 years straight all of a sudden switch to controller and within six months get to the same skill level.. Lol
Top 100 kovaaks player still get out aimed by kids on controller.
He want to say AA so bad but holf it back😂
He's not abusing recoil smoothing.. dude is just standing still while aiming. Hopefully he can master it. And the thing about playing on MnK is that you need to be consistent, meaning you have to be playing almost all the time to strengthen your muscle memory and aim. If you quit for a week or so, you can see how your aim will deteriorate.
"hopefully he can master it" why should he? All the pros are switching to controller because of aim assist. Why wouldn't he stick with the meta
@@NoHope_ Because controller is easier* And requires less skill* which means it's sad that *less skilled players* are winning tournaments over *people putting actual effort and hours into the game*
It's also why the pro scene is dying because controller is boring as sin to watch. Who tf cares to watch someone slowly turn around
nerf aim assist
lmaooo get good snipe
I seen Genburten still put people down on MnK
Genburten is just a freak of nature. Insane level of talent dude is insane on both inputs.
Surely
If Snipe is already a decent, better than the average controller player then I think he has the ability to be good on MnK within a short amount of time. I think this is because you already learn how to snap to targets, tracking and all the basics of aiming that you just need to get used to using your whole hands and arm to move and shoot instead of your thumbs. For example: at season 0-2 I could barely get 200 damage on MnK, then I stopped and played again but on controller on my PS4 for 6 seasons, season 6 to 12. The first season was hard like on MnK, 220 damage was my average. Then I got better as time goes and finally got my first 4k 20bomb in season 9. I then got a gaming PC during the 11th season of Apex and tried MnK. I did sucked at first but after about 4 weeks I was getting 2ks and over every 4-10 matches on MnK. It may just me though, and maybe some other people that I know in my Discord friends list that I've played with.
Snipe wouldn’t even hit masters without roller lol people don’t realize how hard roller Carry’s gameplay. Hal even said if they banned Roller from ALGs they would have to drop Hal because he can’t play MnK.
@@Offwhitekeyboard Hal would have dropped Hal
@@Offwhitekeyboard Verhulst*
Mnk wins over controller any day, everyday. Hands down.
damn i use both
Any game that has aim asst controller is better but if there’s no aim asst like r6 then mnk better ….that’s why ppl cheat on r6 with mnk on console
That's why controller player have no aim skill... Becoz they know only one thing just press tha controller button hit all the shot.....mnk player have 100 % aim skill... No computer assist
He would be exactly 60% as good on MNK as he is on Controller...
6 minustes ago says im 1st but prob 5th hi
Imagine needing ai to control your aim 😂 pathetic