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Jumba, i saw you talking on the EWC for apex. Congrats! ive watched your videos and i know you always wanted to be a caster for apex, although not ALGS, EWC is just as big! you have so much passion and knowledge for the game, and your casting points and game summaries are very on point. you belong there. so proud of you bro seeing you on the big screen. loooking good too. keep it up! next up, hope to see you at ALGS! best wishes
All the pros saying Crypto makes the meta "not good" and "boring" say that every time the meta changes. We've had Gibby, Caustic, Wraith, Horizon, Cat meta for several seasons. It's time that comp changes and Crypto is a nice shake up. As a Crypto main we've all seen his potential and this is honestly his peak moment.
@@StainedJu say that but when they whine and complain it gets a general touch that’s not really needed apex is really a joke I come for updates to see if it’s good still on the 20 tick servers
@@JumbaGW idk- i think the crypto created an insanely aggressive meta. theres also an obvious trend away from crypto rn because of newcastle who you touched on. the invis should be changed but the rest of crypto's kit should be in comp
So I don’t play Apex anymore but I’m an old crypto main, his kit was always pretty good in my opinion and very well thought out in terms of usability.His kit was always this good it’s just no one used him since to do anything you had to be stationary. Crypto didn’t suddenly change overnight he was always like this, the only changes that were the cherry on top was the ability to grab banners n hit revives with the drone which made sense in character, he’s literally a hacker. When utilized to his utmost potential I dare say he is the best recon specialist in any comps. Bloodhound may still be picked over him because you can fight and recon at the same time. But if you know anything about informational warfare, then crypto is your best bet. Just knowing how many squads are nearby from checking the banners periodically can let you know if a fight is free or heck leaving your drone to cover a flank angle and listen for the scan sounds ques while you clean up a fight. His kit was tailor made to be used strategically. It may not be popular often but when used properly he is one of the best. Edit- As for the full on invis, cmon respawn what was u thinking. Should it be some type of stealth yes, full on invis- HELL NO. You can’t just disappear off the map no trace but a sound if you’re near. It should be similar to mirage cloak when ulting, or even a slight bit better but not full on invis.
Yes his kit was decent/good but the setup needed when you can get that information relatively easier compared to the other legends at the time… yeah. You can make a characters stats good but in gameplay that’s a different story.
I understand how stupid this meta is BUT as someone who has always believed in Crypto's potential, I love this and definitely don't want him to fizzle out of this OP state
I'm bad for gatekeeping characters I play, and would like cypto to be reverted. It'll reveal the true Crypto mains that doesn't rely on invis(or think it is is the best and only part of his kit)
It's interesting how now people call him low skill, while he was one of the most difficualt legends to micromanage. He has definetly been dumbed down (e.g. banner callouts) and made accessible to people who think that playing Crypto means sitting in dron, not actively pushing
i agree that invis needs some kind of nerf but man there’s finally a diverse meta without a 100% pick rate legend and we’re immediately saying CRYPTO makes the game too easy? idk this is wild lol
We've had a pretty diverse meta all year. Each LAN has been something different. This is the first time I've ever made something commenting on a meta, cause myself and I know many of the pros genuinely don't think its healthy for both playing in it and for viewers.
@@JumbaGW this what kinda annoys me, back in the day, gibby valk and even watson were meta for multiple season on end and barely anybody complains but when crypto has a season of being meta people get mad. its almost like people dont want crypto to ever be good? what is that double standards.
@@kyureevsI’m not sure about that. I remember a lot of pros complaining about that meta lol. A lot of them hated playing gibby, then eventually valk once gibby was not in meta.
@@kyureevs it is just whinning about a character having a silly thing that can avoid interactions with enemy players. They could play Seer, Bloodhound, Valk to counter (classic rock paper scissors), but then they should play other characters besides Horizon. /watch?v=UzZndFglIbY Shiv was completely right.
@@kyureevs yeah that’s kind of my point to @JumbaGW . there’s a single lan where Crypto is good and there’s content by a big Apex creator made, but nothing for the impossible to watch Bang/Blood/Caustic meta? or anything else? the meta is the most diverse it’s been, this seems like the worst time to make something like this. it’s like it’s content being made to lobby a particular legend out of the meta. he’s been able to EMP, see legends around, get banners, res, literally everything besides being invisible for how long?
I've mained Crypto since release and almost everything you've mentioned was possible prior to these changes but he was rarely played in pro. The only abuse I see here is the invisibility, and honestly I can go back to living without it (it does make for some epic respawn plays, although it's a little cheesy). Respawn has recently nerfed the range of beacon scan, which has felt good, and they could go ever further and remove a bunch of these no name POI beacons. If they improve the invisibility sound to much than the draw back will be negate the perk and players will revert back to being silence in a corner oppose to having a kill me sonar. If they add a shimmer, the talent is dead in the water. It's more likely they increase the ultimate cool down and give an option in tier 1 to reduce the cool down, bringing it back to the original duration (is anyone picking the range on tier 1?). Really outside the box would be to prevent the ultimate from charging while invisible or even deplete your ultimate charge to remain invisible but this would be very punishing for new players but then again we don't balance for the new players. This might be an unpopular opinion but placement over kills is the real issue here and crypto is simply exposing it. You only push into other teams if you must and with his recon kit you can punish an incoming push or counter other defensive teams when it's time to push. You're only EMPing 15 players in the end game because everyone and their mother are still alive. You can see Respawn toying with new ideas to encourage fighting with their new game modes, the current BR system is stale dated and I'm awaiting a shakeup.
As a main myself, I personally view it as I need to position myself if I want to use the drone. I personally think they should make him invisible to enemy scans - always, not just in drone (not seen by heart beat sensor, blood scans etc) and keep him visible to the eye. As for the beacon change, I actually liked it prior to the change myself as I would leave the drone out in front of a beacon and I wouldn't use it until there was a squad nearby. If there wasn't and we were leaving the area, I'd wait to get to max range and quickly scan it then to maximize the distance between the beacon and my destination with the information as well as throw off enemies thinking I'm standing in front of it.
"Hurdur i got scanned and they get free reset" is basically what this video is, these pros are the reason why casuals can't enjoy the game. Crypto, akimbo, and edistric is fun and if they start balancing for the top 1% then this game will die. Which by the way, it already is.
It's a bit weird calling Crypto low skill when he has always been one of the most complex legends to micromanage and plan ahead. He has been dumbed down a bit (e.g you had to quickly go into drone to see the amount of enemies), but initiating slides just before drone to keep moving, getting the timing right to heal while in drone, resetting the team, preparing emp pushes, throwing the drone in the right spot, putting the drone into the ring as it was orange on orange (now gone), managing movement with the team etc. the invisibility is the only thing new and does not reflect what Crypto mains want and play like at all. Crypto has always been about planning agressive pushes and knowing when to reset, even all the way back before drone throw, when you had to do animation cancels to quickly get the drone out for aggressive attack. He is certainly still more complex than, press Q to damage or press Q to be gone
@SpeedKing.. that he needed the rework he received because Respawn understood what Crypto needed. Even tap strafing was originally seen as a bit of an exploit of the movement system, which got a "rework" for console players with the octane perk, should I say "what does that say about Apex players that they need an exploit to play all their characters"?
I've been a Crypto main since his launch. I've really enjoyed his new updates, but, I'm 2mins into the video and wanted to say that the best way to utilise crypto was for his macro battlefield information... which often relied on the drone being high, far above scan range; reporting back into team mates about combat opportunities... I'll keep watching.
Valk's new buffs definitely compete with crypto for rotates. Unfortunately there will always be a scan legend in the meta, it seems like respawn wants it this way. As soon as Teq was using Crypto in a non scan way, by using EMP while in the Alter void, they removed it from the game. So lame IMO.
yea that was lame. but apparently they're fine with you being able to sit in the middle of zone for the last 7 minutes of the game with no armor and nobody being able to see you lmao
I wish they kept that, the meta was very defensive (watson, cat walls, new castle and crypto drone watching your back) it would have been nice to give the option for teams to have an aggressive comp as well. I legitimately think a few teams would have taken it up.
Yes unfortunately there will always b wall hack meta despite the developers lying about them wanting to change it but valk is literally the healthiest scan legends because her walkhacks are almost never used in the middle of a fight just information
Nah, hard disagree with this. From watching Seer, Cat, Bang for how ever long that lasted, no meta will be worse than that screen clusterfuck. Except this Mozam meta currently. Crypto has been constantly weak and overlooked for a couple of years now. He suddenly gets good and people start crying? Limit how long you can be invisible for maybe but he is a hacker. He's meant to be "Off the grid". Hes meant to be strong in being recon. He's meant to be able to be amazing when it comes to having and getting information.
Honestly, having the one of the, if not the most, difficult and complicated legend be meta is WAY more engaging that seer or blood meta. Skill ceiling with blood and seer meta was incredibly low as all you had to do was press q and you get complete info. Whereas with Crypto, you have to give up mobility and rely heavily on coordination in order to successfully push and win fights. There could be an argument made about slightly nerfing his invisibility but his value that people see now has ALWAYS been there. He is the one legend that is the definition of what it means to be rewarded when playing with skill and coordination.
Agree, definitely takes time to learn and should be an important legend to play with a high skill level. Wish they kept the option of teqs alter/crypto combo, cause I do think a few teams would have taken the aggressive approach in a very defensive meta.
I agree with a lot of what you said about crypto for comp. But a lot of what you said about what makes him op for comp makes him a lot more fun for ranked. So I’m afraid we’ll change him too much for comp while missing out on the strategy that he gives ranked play
he won't get nerfed that hard all at once. Respawn never nerfs a character to an unusable point in one patch. It took a year of patches to bring both seer and BH to a point of being weak. And they absolutely wont revert invisibility which is the best part of his kit
Yea I think the mozam aren’t helping because the emp helps thrive off of instant strong burst damage. But no one considered crypto viable without the invisibility despite that he could do everything else mentioned before
I played crypto a lot for his different playstyle and I'm happy to see his current highlight right now! I always believed in his potential! He was always at the bottom of competition, seing him picked is very nice!
info abilities are pretty hard to balance in games with incomplete information because it is the single most easy way to change how hard a match can be for you
Funnily enough in Titanfall 2 the dev realised how powerful invisibility can be so they gave it a white hue, making it still visible if you're looking but won't realised it if you're not looking for it.
After everything I talked about invis, I don't necessarily think it should be taken away. I think the drone should break after being in the zone for a period of time.
@@JumbaGW I'd rather have no invisibility and drone in zone. I have mained him since release and planning ahead is one of the main things you have to do, getting resets with drone in zone was a good way to do that without exposing the team to fights on low loot. The comp scene always plays different than pubs and ranked and definetly don't reflect how Crypto was played so far at all
I was a crypto main for the longest time and I fight with my drone out. Shoot drone out, get a few second scan then shoot enemies down. Only time I sit on my drone when the fight is incredibly uneven and had to reset. So many new crypto players ruining this legend. They can't maximize his potential in fights. Drone heal while shooting emp back then wipe a whole team out. Or when being chased, drone to the wall, get the general idea where the enemy's at, nade out shoot back.
That blue shield upgrade is what changed my opinion on Crypto, his achilleas heel made him super vulnerable and less versatile and that is why I had the opinion that he wasn't as meta as other people said he was but he's definitely op af now
@@JumbaGWNot a bad idea since their main thought was for a crypto to be able to set up the drone with out being killed. 20 sec max invisibility plus 15 second cooldown before you can go invisible again would be good
@@Mr.Battle7 yea I’m talking about in competitive Crypto is actually so hard that without any further balance changes he’s falling out of meta. Sure there’s a few teams running him but a majority of teams have moved onto picks like bang, NC, Cat, Wattson, Valk, etc
As someone who used to play apex and mained crypto (i haven't played in about a year or two. When they added the guy with the robot arm and that loved grenades.) I love that crypto is getting up there in popularity, though i feel him going invisible takes away a lot of skill on the crypto player. If you're going to drone in the middle of nowhere then you should get shot. When i used to play i would win games by keeping my team informed and taking on fights we believed we could win. Hell i remember a few games i used the drone to "tank" so we could push while the people we were pushing focused on the drone. I've put it in corners and pushed myself just because the person i was pushing was looking up to kill the drone. Maybe if they changed emp to allow the people in the range to not get marked/spotted you could keep the invisibility. But that's just my opinion from someone who hasn't played in a long time
I wish they had of kept the option of teqs comp with crypto and alter, I honestly think half the teams would have played taken the option to play aggressively in the this defensive meta. Would have been nice to see the contrast.
I stopped playing Apex on Season 16, but back when I used to play my favorite character was Crypto, and man, if you told me back then he would become a top pick I would've thought you crazy.
Well to be fair... If bloodhound could still abuse ulti with bang smoke... Crypto being invisible wouldnt have been a big deal. He can get scanned while invisible( i think). Would have been way more BH in the lobbies to where Cryptos perk would have been somewhat pointless.
Agreed it was more than just crypto going invis that brought him into meta it was also that the counters to his invis were nerfed within the past 6 months to a year so when he got his invis perk no one wanted to use BH(tactical just straight up scans an Invisible crypto as you thought), Seer(heartbeat still appears) or Valk(scan's invisible crypto when flying from balloons or her ult) so they also played crypto plus as mentioned in the video crypto is good for pushing Wattson teams and makes it possible to nade them and Newcastle teams out
Crypto was my favorite pocket pick when im climbing to diamond lol. Its so funny to me to just drone a fight and they are all slow scrambling like chickens.
@@rAspiire on comp they do bc they have too, itll be dumb not to use the best characters in the tournament my point is, Crypto has been like this, being able to scan beacons, grab banners, etc, but now since he can go invisible they want the devs to nerf him, the same was with valk,, with seer, with horizon, is just always the same, they are gonna be complaining always no matter what
When they added invisibility and it was becoming a problem I thought the easy solution was the cryptos drone can see other invisible cryptos while flying around and you can use that info to either flank around the team or set a strategy to wipe them out🤷🏼♂️
I can't wait for Respawn/EA to do a TDM mode where all characters/abilities/guns get reverted back to either Season 0/1 or their strongest state and then watch everyone implode about how broken everything is. Every 3 months there's always some character or gun that's 'broken'.
The thing is they can easily fall into the trap R6 has done multiple times, which is make decisions based on the competitive side of the game when most of the time the casual side sees no problem with it and piss off the casual side of the game
i've more or less quit the game at this point, but i got this video recommended to me and i just wanted to say that i've always loved crypto, so i'm glad to see him winning for once. cool video
To all the Crypto mains who have been utilizing his informational abilities-this is truly what Crypto gameplay is all about. Even during his weakest points, when he wasn’t as popular or viable due to better in-game mechanics, you remained dedicated. So, shout out to all the Crypto mains who have stayed committed to mastering Crypto, and let’s rejoice in our buffs! Honestly, I love the changes. While Crypto may seem like one of the most boring characters to many, for us mains, he’s incredibly fun to play.
Woah, I never thought I'd see the day. I haven't played Apex since they added the upgrades but, I mained Crypto. It's funny because before people would get mad that I even selected him and just leave games even though I have the 5 wins and double double badge with hundreds of wins. Everyone hated him so much they wouldn't even give you a chance and just leave assuming a loss beforehand. So I guess now if I play Apex they will prolly just talk shit nonstop about playing a "meta" character lol. Gotta love gaming.
Killed the same squad 3 times and really just chased them across an entire ranked lobby. I'm wondering if they actually added any countermeasures to fight him. Did you know you cant even move an invisible crypto which makes him all the more broken.
they will refuse to nerf akimbo mozams for another 6 months but will need cryptos drone so it has a smaller ult range and instantly gets destroyed outside of zone
that absolutely shouldn't be the case. I manually space out the ads to intentionally not affect the experience. I can take a look at it again, but may possibly be a bug with the youtube player. Sorry about that.
My idea to nerf crypto is that he can't go invis when he is alone. I think that would give him the freedom to do recon things while the team needs it, but he cant just survive alone in invis drone mod.
@@JumbaGW they kinda do need to be mutually exclusive if you want to make the claim that crypto and crypto alone "ruined" the tournament as the title implies.
My bad that was little too crazy. Revenant I think is still op. Bangalore reigns even after slight nerf. What y’all think on Wattson throughout comp life?
I feel like this meta is still way better than a Blood-Bang meta where every team are forced to pick Bloodhound or else they won't have an out to Bang smoke or being able to gain the advantage in the smoke while Crypto becomes an almost must pick in this meta because Newcastle and Wattson are meta but Newcastle and Wattson never do anything oppressive that's why it doesn't feel that bad to not have Crypto against both of them. If Respawn wants to shift the meta then nerfing Wattson might be a better solution since it will encourage people to play another recon like Bloodhound to counter Crypto since Wattson won't be as dominant compared to every other controller anymore which makes Crypto less viable.
when respawn nerfs or removes crypto’s invisibility, give him and his squad Self-EMP *invincibility* crypto can be played aggressively too, but the EMP stops him and his team from pushing in.
the funny thing crypto was always like this. the invis is good but even without it can still be good. be was always seen weak and now he’s broken? when he was never used even tho he has the same kit is just funny
Thats not how it works. Meta is bad when you can only play certain heroes and certain Guns. Meta shifting from another bad Meta to another is not interesting.
I love crypto but the invisible stuff is kinda wild. I play him solo like a fucking trapdoor spider I hide near death boxes like a vulture and pop out for a free kill it's crazy man i can't believe that let that through
How is crypto any different than any other recon legend? I still dont get the lowering skill ceiling argument. it just seems like a soundbite that pros use
The absolute worst thing about Apex is that no matter how the meta shifts people will always be mad about the meta. If you think a meta character or weapon is too powerful learn to use it.
Crypto Invis should be scannable, he should defo be showing up on heartbeat sensor. I think that's the only change that needs to happen. Drone taking zone damage isn't a good idea at this point in time either. Maybe also make Gibby bubble an insulator. I don't think full nerfs are the best way to go, but rather allowing for there to be Counter options in other character's kits. It's crazy that it took so long and for invis to make crypto popular when he countered so many previous metas!
People,especially Pro's are always complaining and they will always complain. There will never be a point when everyone is satisfied. I feel like crypto is ok, Let his META remain for 1-3 seasons then they will change the invisibility perk. Let them cycle different metas. Bangalore,Newcastle,Horizon,Catalyst and Seer have been Meta for a really long time,so they should let Crypto breathe. I also feel like they should make a special apex for ALGS and for normal people because the way Pro's dictate the meta and balancing and all that is kind of boring.
Asking for changes to things that are unbalanced is not complaining, and there's nothing wrong with people discussing what they feel is best for the game. Pro's get clipped once out of a 9 hour stream and everyone says they constantly complain. If the devs wanna keep crypto strong, cool, but things like the drone being able to remain in zone indefinitely shouldnt exist. How is it fair teams that played better lose points cause someone sits invisible? Also bangalore is probably the only character that has been meta for an extended period, we've had changing metas all year 4
@@JumbaGW I hear you but I am not the only one who has noticed that Pro's dictate the game,On Reddit,facebook and twitter people are always complaining that Pro's are given more attention when it comes to balancing and not the casuals. They complain way more than once, there are many posts on twitter of them complaining about a lot of things. I agree that year 4 has had a changing but my point is that its unfair that the "Fuse Motherload Evac tower Meta" was nerfed way quicker than everything else,when the "Seer Scan Meta" or the Catalyst Meta or the "Bang Bloodhound meta" was allowed to run for longer.
I agree. I just think they need to make the invisible on a timer so they spend less time on the drone and being invisible. Meta was mainly boring because you had like 5 drones flying around and no one would make plays because another team on a drone would see it and would third party immediately. A lot of teams were afraid to make moves.
@@BigSuzpekt Crypto main what I'd change: Nerfs: Should know how to position yourself for drone, no more invisibility. Perk will now make him invisible to enemy scans, can't be scanned by other drones, bloodhound scan, seer heartbeat sensor etc. Buffs: survey beacon can be scanned from all angles (it hacks it, why do I need to see the front of the beacon?) All legends in portals no longer take damage. (In a defensive meta, it would be nice to give the option to have more aggressive plays available, no more damage while in wraith, ash or alter portals while EMP is active)
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Jumba, i saw you talking on the EWC for apex. Congrats! ive watched your videos and i know you always wanted to be a caster for apex, although not ALGS, EWC is just as big! you have so much passion and knowledge for the game, and your casting points and game summaries are very on point. you belong there. so proud of you bro seeing you on the big screen. loooking good too. keep it up! next up, hope to see you at ALGS! best wishes
Don’t hurt my boy crypto he worked hard for this buff and he deserves it I don’t want them to nerf my main after I waited so long for him to be viable
akimbo mozams are infinitely worse than anything crypto has done
I probably shouldve thrown 1 line in there about Crypto + the mozam meta
100%. So fkn cringe and annoying.
Yep you insta-die and no need to check the killfeed you know it was the Mozambique here 😢
Akimbo ma'am's are awesome!
@@soccerguy2433 People complain about the meta not changing, then it does and they still complain lmao.
All the pros saying Crypto makes the meta "not good" and "boring" say that every time the meta changes. We've had Gibby, Caustic, Wraith, Horizon, Cat meta for several seasons. It's time that comp changes and Crypto is a nice shake up. As a Crypto main we've all seen his potential and this is honestly his peak moment.
This is about the Algs. Nothing to do with regular gameplay. Algs was terrible because of this meta
@@StainedJbut then where do we draw the line? This is the same rhetoric for: R6S, CoD Finals
@@StainedJu say that but when they whine and complain it gets a general touch that’s not really needed apex is really a joke I come for updates to see if it’s good still on the 20 tick servers
Gibby and caustic havent been meta since season 12
@seductiveraven4895 Catalyst
Crypto being meta is a nice shake up I enjoyed watching
I like the mix up, watching everyone sit in drone tho will get old fast.
Me too. Much more organized and planned plays.
Any character that incentivizes ratting is trash asf
@@JumbaGW idk- i think the crypto created an insanely aggressive meta. theres also an obvious trend away from crypto rn because of newcastle who you touched on. the invis should be changed but the rest of crypto's kit should be in comp
One of the best changes to the game.
Wigg catching STRAYS bro 😂 what the hell lmao
I think hes watched every video on stream now so thought I'd have some fun with chat 😂
Kinda relevant, crypto has the SASSIEST lines for in game. Dude he can call people literally idiots. Lul. Dudes a sas beast.
So I don’t play Apex anymore but I’m an old crypto main, his kit was always pretty good in my opinion and very well thought out in terms of usability.His kit was always this good it’s just no one used him since to do anything you had to be stationary. Crypto didn’t suddenly change overnight he was always like this, the only changes that were the cherry on top was the ability to grab banners n hit revives with the drone which made sense in character, he’s literally a hacker. When utilized to his utmost potential I dare say he is the best recon specialist in any comps. Bloodhound may still be picked over him because you can fight and recon at the same time. But if you know anything about informational warfare, then crypto is your best bet. Just knowing how many squads are nearby from checking the banners periodically can let you know if a fight is free or heck leaving your drone to cover a flank angle and listen for the scan sounds ques while you clean up a fight. His kit was tailor made to be used strategically. It may not be popular often but when used properly he is one of the best.
Edit- As for the full on invis, cmon respawn what was u thinking. Should it be some type of stealth yes, full on invis- HELL NO. You can’t just disappear off the map no trace but a sound if you’re near. It should be similar to mirage cloak when ulting, or even a slight bit better but not full on invis.
Yes his kit was decent/good but the setup needed when you can get that information relatively easier compared to the other legends at the time… yeah. You can make a characters stats good but in gameplay that’s a different story.
I understand how stupid this meta is BUT as someone who has always believed in Crypto's potential, I love this and definitely don't want him to fizzle out of this OP state
I'm bad for gatekeeping characters I play, and would like cypto to be reverted. It'll reveal the true Crypto mains that doesn't rely on invis(or think it is is the best and only part of his kit)
That's what I'm saying! He's about to get the Bangalore treatment because of these sweaty pro players. 😭😭
@@NZealandeseagreed, main myself, always thought it should be invisible to enemy scans but not invisibility itself.
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It's interesting how now people call him low skill, while he was one of the most difficualt legends to micromanage. He has definetly been dumbed down (e.g. banner callouts) and made accessible to people who think that playing Crypto means sitting in dron, not actively pushing
i agree that invis needs some kind of nerf but man there’s finally a diverse meta without a 100% pick rate legend and we’re immediately saying CRYPTO makes the game too easy? idk this is wild lol
We've had a pretty diverse meta all year. Each LAN has been something different. This is the first time I've ever made something commenting on a meta, cause myself and I know many of the pros genuinely don't think its healthy for both playing in it and for viewers.
@@JumbaGW this what kinda annoys me, back in the day, gibby valk and even watson were meta for multiple season on end and barely anybody complains but when crypto has a season of being meta people get mad. its almost like people dont want crypto to ever be good? what is that double standards.
@@kyureevsI’m not sure about that. I remember a lot of pros complaining about that meta lol. A lot of them hated playing gibby, then eventually valk once gibby was not in meta.
@@kyureevs it is just whinning about a character having a silly thing that can avoid interactions with enemy players. They could play Seer, Bloodhound, Valk to counter (classic rock paper scissors), but then they should play other characters besides Horizon. /watch?v=UzZndFglIbY Shiv was completely right.
@@kyureevs yeah that’s kind of my point to @JumbaGW . there’s a single lan where Crypto is good and there’s content by a big Apex creator made, but nothing for the impossible to watch Bang/Blood/Caustic meta? or anything else? the meta is the most diverse it’s been, this seems like the worst time to make something like this. it’s like it’s content being made to lobby a particular legend out of the meta. he’s been able to EMP, see legends around, get banners, res, literally everything besides being invisible for how long?
I've mained Crypto since release and almost everything you've mentioned was possible prior to these changes but he was rarely played in pro. The only abuse I see here is the invisibility, and honestly I can go back to living without it (it does make for some epic respawn plays, although it's a little cheesy). Respawn has recently nerfed the range of beacon scan, which has felt good, and they could go ever further and remove a bunch of these no name POI beacons.
If they improve the invisibility sound to much than the draw back will be negate the perk and players will revert back to being silence in a corner oppose to having a kill me sonar. If they add a shimmer, the talent is dead in the water. It's more likely they increase the ultimate cool down and give an option in tier 1 to reduce the cool down, bringing it back to the original duration (is anyone picking the range on tier 1?). Really outside the box would be to prevent the ultimate from charging while invisible or even deplete your ultimate charge to remain invisible but this would be very punishing for new players but then again we don't balance for the new players.
This might be an unpopular opinion but placement over kills is the real issue here and crypto is simply exposing it. You only push into other teams if you must and with his recon kit you can punish an incoming push or counter other defensive teams when it's time to push. You're only EMPing 15 players in the end game because everyone and their mother are still alive. You can see Respawn toying with new ideas to encourage fighting with their new game modes, the current BR system is stale dated and I'm awaiting a shakeup.
As a main myself, I personally view it as I need to position myself if I want to use the drone. I personally think they should make him invisible to enemy scans - always, not just in drone (not seen by heart beat sensor, blood scans etc) and keep him visible to the eye.
As for the beacon change, I actually liked it prior to the change myself as I would leave the drone out in front of a beacon and I wouldn't use it until there was a squad nearby. If there wasn't and we were leaving the area, I'd wait to get to max range and quickly scan it then to maximize the distance between the beacon and my destination with the information as well as throw off enemies thinking I'm standing in front of it.
There's a voice line for him
" im not a pawn , im here to break the game "
We took that lightly
"Hurdur i got scanned and they get free reset" is basically what this video is, these pros are the reason why casuals can't enjoy the game. Crypto, akimbo, and edistric is fun and if they start balancing for the top 1% then this game will die. Which by the way, it already is.
Invisibility shoukd be like halo camouflage where you still see a faint silhouette IMO
Relax
It's a bit weird calling Crypto low skill when he has always been one of the most complex legends to micromanage and plan ahead. He has been dumbed down a bit (e.g you had to quickly go into drone to see the amount of enemies), but initiating slides just before drone to keep moving, getting the timing right to heal while in drone, resetting the team, preparing emp pushes, throwing the drone in the right spot, putting the drone into the ring as it was orange on orange (now gone), managing movement with the team etc. the invisibility is the only thing new and does not reflect what Crypto mains want and play like at all. Crypto has always been about planning agressive pushes and knowing when to reset, even all the way back before drone throw, when you had to do animation cancels to quickly get the drone out for aggressive attack. He is certainly still more complex than, press Q to damage or press Q to be gone
If you had to do animation cancels and exploits in order to use a character effectively what does that say about the character?
@SpeedKing.. that he needed the rework he received because Respawn understood what Crypto needed. Even tap strafing was originally seen as a bit of an exploit of the movement system, which got a "rework" for console players with the octane perk, should I say "what does that say about Apex players that they need an exploit to play all their characters"?
I've been a Crypto main since his launch. I've really enjoyed his new updates, but, I'm 2mins into the video and wanted to say that the best way to utilise crypto was for his macro battlefield information... which often relied on the drone being high, far above scan range; reporting back into team mates about combat opportunities...
I'll keep watching.
Valk's new buffs definitely compete with crypto for rotates. Unfortunately there will always be a scan legend in the meta, it seems like respawn wants it this way. As soon as Teq was using Crypto in a non scan way, by using EMP while in the Alter void, they removed it from the game. So lame IMO.
There will always be a scan legends, u cant ever go wrong with having intel
yea that was lame. but apparently they're fine with you being able to sit in the middle of zone for the last 7 minutes of the game with no armor and nobody being able to see you lmao
I wish they kept that, the meta was very defensive (watson, cat walls, new castle and crypto drone watching your back) it would have been nice to give the option for teams to have an aggressive comp as well. I legitimately think a few teams would have taken it up.
Yes unfortunately there will always b wall hack meta despite the developers lying about them wanting to change it but valk is literally the healthiest scan legends because her walkhacks are almost never used in the middle of a fight just information
Nah, hard disagree with this. From watching Seer, Cat, Bang for how ever long that lasted, no meta will be worse than that screen clusterfuck. Except this Mozam meta currently.
Crypto has been constantly weak and overlooked for a couple of years now. He suddenly gets good and people start crying?
Limit how long you can be invisible for maybe but he is a hacker. He's meant to be "Off the grid". Hes meant to be strong in being recon. He's meant to be able to be amazing when it comes to having and getting information.
fuse wasnt supposed to have better recon. He became a better recon legend due to the devs not knowing how the game works
would also love to see a video on how the akimbo mozam ruined (and still is ruining) the entirety of apex.
I wouldn't go that far, but it definitely needs to be addressed.
Someone's mad they got killed by it 😂
@@James-mh4nnnah its just boring you cant play diamond+ without crippling urself by not playing mozambs
@@gerwan9132 womp womp
@@James-mh4nn whats ur peak rank?
Tbh, I really enjoy watching Crypto meta
Honestly, having the one of the, if not the most, difficult and complicated legend be meta is WAY more engaging that seer or blood meta. Skill ceiling with blood and seer meta was incredibly low as all you had to do was press q and you get complete info. Whereas with Crypto, you have to give up mobility and rely heavily on coordination in order to successfully push and win fights. There could be an argument made about slightly nerfing his invisibility but his value that people see now has ALWAYS been there. He is the one legend that is the definition of what it means to be rewarded when playing with skill and coordination.
Agree, definitely takes time to learn and should be an important legend to play with a high skill level. Wish they kept the option of teqs alter/crypto combo, cause I do think a few teams would have taken the aggressive approach in a very defensive meta.
But hal says crypto is low skill 😢
@@lenk1432 hal also want horizon to be buffed and thought valk was shit, then created the valk meta...
42 seconds is actually absurd i need a life
I agree with a lot of what you said about crypto for comp. But a lot of what you said about what makes him op for comp makes him a lot more fun for ranked. So I’m afraid we’ll change him too much for comp while missing out on the strategy that he gives ranked play
Kinda swings it from the current meta of just aggro quick swings and kills
i don't care for the comp scene, but this channel makes it interesting lol
As a season 5 Crypto main, I find it SO satisfying that he's meta now. He's always had a cracked kit, but NOW?? Ha, how the tables have turned.
On one hand I'm happy my boy is finally this strong. On the other hand I know he'll get nerfed into the dirt.
he won't get nerfed that hard all at once. Respawn never nerfs a character to an unusable point in one patch. It took a year of patches to bring both seer and BH to a point of being weak. And they absolutely wont revert invisibility which is the best part of his kit
True, and maybe people will find ways to play around the invisibility, like focusing his drone as quickly as possible, so the complaints stop.
As a Crypto main, I would tell you. Crypto is NOT the problem. Akimbo mozam are. Period.
Yea I think the mozam aren’t helping because the emp helps thrive off of instant strong burst damage. But no one considered crypto viable without the invisibility despite that he could do everything else mentioned before
I played crypto a lot for his different playstyle and I'm happy to see his current highlight right now! I always believed in his potential!
He was always at the bottom of competition, seing him picked is very nice!
info abilities are pretty hard to balance in games with incomplete information because it is the single most easy way to change how hard a match can be for you
Funnily enough in Titanfall 2 the dev realised how powerful invisibility can be so they gave it a white hue, making it still visible if you're looking but won't realised it if you're not looking for it.
this is the most fun i’ve ever had on crypto after maining him for 4 yrs i hope they don’t change invis
After everything I talked about invis, I don't necessarily think it should be taken away. I think the drone should break after being in the zone for a period of time.
@@JumbaGW that’s honestly fine i’ve just been using it to hit invisible bats in the middle of fights
@@JumbaGW I'd rather have no invisibility and drone in zone. I have mained him since release and planning ahead is one of the main things you have to do, getting resets with drone in zone was a good way to do that without exposing the team to fights on low loot. The comp scene always plays different than pubs and ranked and definetly don't reflect how Crypto was played so far at all
I was a crypto main for the longest time and I fight with my drone out. Shoot drone out, get a few second scan then shoot enemies down. Only time I sit on my drone when the fight is incredibly uneven and had to reset. So many new crypto players ruining this legend. They can't maximize his potential in fights. Drone heal while shooting emp back then wipe a whole team out. Or when being chased, drone to the wall, get the general idea where the enemy's at, nade out shoot back.
That blue shield upgrade is what changed my opinion on Crypto, his achilleas heel made him super vulnerable and less versatile and that is why I had the opinion that he wasn't as meta as other people said he was but he's definitely op af now
Lol, I remember picking up my teammates' banner with his drone and respawning my teammates on an enemy team 😂😂
Crypto isn’t „I can see enemy’s trough walls“
It’s „I know where you are at all time, you don’t know that I know“
A 25-30second timer on how long he can be invisible plus a cooldown is a quick fix
Thats a pretty interesting idea
@@JumbaGWNot a bad idea since their main thought was for a crypto to be able to set up the drone with out being killed. 20 sec max invisibility plus 15 second cooldown before you can go invisible again would be good
invis is not an issue with crypto
@@MacAstraL for pubs it’s not but for competitive play and tournaments it is apparently.
@@Mr.Battle7 yea I’m talking about in competitive
Crypto is actually so hard that without any further balance changes he’s falling out of meta. Sure there’s a few teams running him but a majority of teams have moved onto picks like bang, NC, Cat, Wattson, Valk, etc
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As someone who used to play apex and mained crypto (i haven't played in about a year or two. When they added the guy with the robot arm and that loved grenades.)
I love that crypto is getting up there in popularity, though i feel him going invisible takes away a lot of skill on the crypto player. If you're going to drone in the middle of nowhere then you should get shot. When i used to play i would win games by keeping my team informed and taking on fights we believed we could win. Hell i remember a few games i used the drone to "tank" so we could push while the people we were pushing focused on the drone. I've put it in corners and pushed myself just because the person i was pushing was looking up to kill the drone. Maybe if they changed emp to allow the people in the range to not get marked/spotted you could keep the invisibility. But that's just my opinion from someone who hasn't played in a long time
I wish they had of kept the option of teqs comp with crypto and alter, I honestly think half the teams would have played taken the option to play aggressively in the this defensive meta.
Would have been nice to see the contrast.
You know when jumba uploads its gonna be a banger
I stopped playing Apex on Season 16, but back when I used to play my favorite character was Crypto, and man, if you told me back then he would become a top pick I would've thought you crazy.
Well to be fair... If bloodhound could still abuse ulti with bang smoke... Crypto being invisible wouldnt have been a big deal. He can get scanned while invisible( i think). Would have been way more BH in the lobbies to where Cryptos perk would have been somewhat pointless.
Agreed it was more than just crypto going invis that brought him into meta it was also that the counters to his invis were nerfed within the past 6 months to a year so when he got his invis perk no one wanted to use BH(tactical just straight up scans an Invisible crypto as you thought), Seer(heartbeat still appears) or Valk(scan's invisible crypto when flying from balloons or her ult) so they also played crypto plus as mentioned in the video crypto is good for pushing Wattson teams and makes it possible to nade them and Newcastle teams out
Jumba videos always hit this guy doesn’t miss
Crypto was my favorite pocket pick when im climbing to diamond lol. Its so funny to me to just drone a fight and they are all slow scrambling like chickens.
Crypto aint ruining anything bruh, pros just like to play easy characters & like to complain when they find something they dont like
Brother they play the best characters in the game, and besides crypto is by far one of the hardest characters to be good with
@@rAspiire on comp they do bc they have too, itll be dumb not to use the best characters in the tournament
my point is, Crypto has been like this, being able to scan beacons, grab banners, etc, but now since he can go invisible they want the devs to nerf him, the same was with valk,, with seer, with horizon, is just always the same, they are gonna be complaining always no matter what
and like i said, easy characters, Crypto is the most difficult one to use, thats why everyone hates him like i said on my first comment
Always thought Crypto was underutilized, but I agree with the pros the invisibility is too strong and way too overtuned
Talking out your ass
When they added invisibility and it was becoming a problem I thought the easy solution was the cryptos drone can see other invisible cryptos while flying around and you can use that info to either flank around the team or set a strategy to wipe them out🤷🏼♂️
With how unkillable lifeline teams are this is exactly the shake up we need
the moment I saw and tried his invisibility cloak, I knew that shit was totally harry potter bonkers!
I love how he went from one of the weakest characters to one of the strongest
the devs thinking a sound que being the indicator in a game where the audio is dog water is kind of sad on their part.
I can't wait for Respawn/EA to do a TDM mode where all characters/abilities/guns get reverted back to either Season 0/1 or their strongest state and then watch everyone implode about how broken everything is. Every 3 months there's always some character or gun that's 'broken'.
God I love how accurate you are and your vids!
The thing is they can easily fall into the trap R6 has done multiple times, which is make decisions based on the competitive side of the game when most of the time the casual side sees no problem with it and piss off the casual side of the game
i've more or less quit the game at this point, but i got this video recommended to me and i just wanted to say that i've always loved crypto, so i'm glad to see him winning for once. cool video
4:30 these comms sound like my casual lobbies lmao
seeing jumba uploaded brings me so much joy
To all the Crypto mains who have been utilizing his informational abilities-this is truly what Crypto gameplay is all about. Even during his weakest points, when he wasn’t as popular or viable due to better in-game mechanics, you remained dedicated. So, shout out to all the Crypto mains who have stayed committed to mastering Crypto, and let’s rejoice in our buffs! Honestly, I love the changes. While Crypto may seem like one of the most boring characters to many, for us mains, he’s incredibly fun to play.
Take my sub! Great video, breakdown, and music -- you should def be getting paid for this 👏🏾👏🏾
Woah, I never thought I'd see the day. I haven't played Apex since they added the upgrades but, I mained Crypto. It's funny because before people would get mad that I even selected him and just leave games even though I have the 5 wins and double double badge with hundreds of wins. Everyone hated him so much they wouldn't even give you a chance and just leave assuming a loss beforehand. So I guess now if I play Apex they will prolly just talk shit nonstop about playing a "meta" character lol. Gotta love gaming.
Everytime Crypto gets an ounce of viability in comp, or when someone finds creative way to make him work, people complain about him
at the end of the day this was the fruit of trying to balance the most used legend in algs and the question is how are we going to balance crypto now
I clicked this video thinking bitcoin ruined a tournament 😭 I don’t even play apex
Crypto main here, and honestly they can continue to cry lol
As a viewer it was fun.,cz it was some out of the box rank shit happening in Algs
yea I bet seeing the best players in the world play like gold players is super entertaining
Killed the same squad 3 times and really just chased them across an entire ranked lobby. I'm wondering if they actually added any countermeasures to fight him. Did you know you cant even move an invisible crypto which makes him all the more broken.
jumba uploads = happy day
The algs was incredible fun to watch :)
I look at apex like pokemon cards now. There's this massive massive small detail thing going on in background.
they will refuse to nerf akimbo mozams for another 6 months but will need cryptos drone so it has a smaller ult range and instantly gets destroyed outside of zone
Amazing video! Was very excited to see this come out. At 0:09 is me :) loved being apart of this!
You the goat Mystt!
@@JumbaGW no you’re the goat 🐐 carrying apex content creation right now
Used to only play crypto so glad he is getting some love
Great video , I don’t even play this game but you explain very well I feel like I kinda get it lol I think ima give this game a try
this video has so many ads that at 8 mins in i don't even care to watch anymore
that absolutely shouldn't be the case. I manually space out the ads to intentionally not affect the experience. I can take a look at it again, but may possibly be a bug with the youtube player. Sorry about that.
My idea to nerf crypto is that he can't go invis when he is alone. I think that would give him the freedom to do recon things while the team needs it, but he cant just survive alone in invis drone mod.
Akimbo mozam> crypto...
They dont gotta be mutually exclusive 😂
@@JumbaGW they kinda do need to be mutually exclusive if you want to make the claim that crypto and crypto alone "ruined" the tournament as the title implies.
The Hakis and ImMadness clips from finals are WILD.
My bad that was little too crazy. Revenant I think is still op. Bangalore reigns even after slight nerf. What y’all think on Wattson throughout comp life?
I feel like this meta is still way better than a Blood-Bang meta where every team are forced to pick Bloodhound or else they won't have an out to Bang smoke or being able to gain the advantage in the smoke while Crypto becomes an almost must pick in this meta because Newcastle and Wattson are meta but Newcastle and Wattson never do anything oppressive that's why it doesn't feel that bad to not have Crypto against both of them. If Respawn wants to shift the meta then nerfing Wattson might be a better solution since it will encourage people to play another recon like Bloodhound to counter Crypto since Wattson won't be as dominant compared to every other controller anymore which makes Crypto less viable.
I always wanted crypto to be OP, especially when they added the goku skin for him. I’m so happy he’s meta now!
Good thing you didn't put crypto in the title, the bots would've showed up. Great video as always man.
I didn't even consider that 😂
when respawn nerfs or removes crypto’s invisibility, give him and his squad Self-EMP *invincibility*
crypto can be played aggressively too, but the EMP stops him and his team from pushing in.
Since cryptos launch I've been praying for times like this
this meta is like rock paper scissors but crypto is the black hole
Noticed it too. Hes in every single squad
the funny thing crypto was always like this. the invis is good but even without it can still be good. be was always seen weak and now he’s broken? when he was never used even tho he has the same kit is just funny
JHawk caught a res beacon stray lmao
People complaining about meta shifts will always annoy me, the game has to evolve. The game dies if the meta never shifts.
Thats not how it works. Meta is bad when you can only play certain heroes and certain Guns. Meta shifting from another bad Meta to another is not interesting.
I love crypto but the invisible stuff is kinda wild. I play him solo like a fucking trapdoor spider I hide near death boxes like a vulture and pop out for a free kill it's crazy man i can't believe that let that through
Bruh, I don't even want to hear it, I've been a crypto main since day 1, and now people have a problem after years of buffs
How is crypto any different than any other recon legend? I still dont get the lowering skill ceiling argument. it just seems like a soundbite that pros use
Hound meta was the best scan meta and I'll fight u for it
he’s been like this for literally forever lol
i mained crypto 3 years ago n he was always bad but i liked the character a lot . glad he’s good it was way to long overdue
The absolute worst thing about Apex is that no matter how the meta shifts people will always be mad about the meta. If you think a meta character or weapon is too powerful learn to use it.
Crypto Invis should be scannable, he should defo be showing up on heartbeat sensor. I think that's the only change that needs to happen. Drone taking zone damage isn't a good idea at this point in time either.
Maybe also make Gibby bubble an insulator. I don't think full nerfs are the best way to go, but rather allowing for there to be Counter options in other character's kits.
It's crazy that it took so long and for invis to make crypto popular when he countered so many previous metas!
BH can scan crypto. I've done it in pubs & ranked
People,especially Pro's are always complaining and they will always complain. There will never be a point when everyone is satisfied. I feel like crypto is ok, Let his META remain for 1-3 seasons then they will change the invisibility perk. Let them cycle different metas. Bangalore,Newcastle,Horizon,Catalyst and Seer have been Meta for a really long time,so they should let Crypto breathe.
I also feel like they should make a special apex for ALGS and for normal people because the way Pro's dictate the meta and balancing and all that is kind of boring.
Asking for changes to things that are unbalanced is not complaining, and there's nothing wrong with people discussing what they feel is best for the game. Pro's get clipped once out of a 9 hour stream and everyone says they constantly complain. If the devs wanna keep crypto strong, cool, but things like the drone being able to remain in zone indefinitely shouldnt exist. How is it fair teams that played better lose points cause someone sits invisible?
Also bangalore is probably the only character that has been meta for an extended period, we've had changing metas all year 4
@@JumbaGW gibby was meta from season 3-15 tf u mean only bangalore
@@JumbaGW I hear you but I am not the only one who has noticed that Pro's dictate the game,On Reddit,facebook and twitter people are always complaining that Pro's are given more attention when it comes to balancing and not the casuals.
They complain way more than once, there are many posts on twitter of them complaining about a lot of things.
I agree that year 4 has had a changing but my point is that its unfair that the "Fuse Motherload Evac tower Meta" was nerfed way quicker than everything else,when the "Seer Scan Meta" or the Catalyst Meta or the "Bang Bloodhound meta" was allowed to run for longer.
An igl on crypto seems like playing a top down strategy game
Lmfao crypto is honestly not that bad it's just a different meta I like crypto and New Castle in the meta it's a cool new change in my opinion
I like New Castle a lot
I agree. I just think they need to make the invisible on a timer so they spend less time on the drone and being invisible. Meta was mainly boring because you had like 5 drones flying around and no one would make plays because another team on a drone would see it and would third party immediately. A lot of teams were afraid to make moves.
@@BigSuzpekt
Crypto main what I'd change:
Nerfs: Should know how to position yourself for drone, no more invisibility.
Perk will now make him invisible to enemy scans, can't be scanned by other drones, bloodhound scan, seer heartbeat sensor etc.
Buffs: survey beacon can be scanned from all angles (it hacks it, why do I need to see the front of the beacon?)
All legends in portals no longer take damage. (In a defensive meta, it would be nice to give the option to have more aggressive plays available, no more damage while in wraith, ash or alter portals while EMP is active)
Shoutout to Hakis making ppl watch endzone close for 5 mins while he wasnt touching his keyboard. A nice civil protest to a boring meta.