The UNSTOPPABLE power of the Tenno!
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- The definitive Operator power scale! I'll revisit him in the future. Note: Warframes are for another time.
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Such good scaling content video and it deserves more recognition and a lot of views and keep good work on your warframe and Destiny content man.
Thx! I try my best to be consistent!
@@nothingimportanthere2082 np man and you are already consistent enough about how you explained Tenno pretty well through the video
Warframe Lore guy here, in the Orokin Era Reliquary Drives were Factory Standard for all vessels. And all a Reliquary Drive is, is a Finger from The Man in The Wall used to power a ship’s Void Jump. They aren’t their own piece of technology, it is designed around the Finger.
Thx! I remember the Rising Tide quest and the Finger connecting to the ship, empowering it.
@@nothingimportanthere2082 The finger is mandatory for Void Jumps. Smaller personal craft use the Solar Rails for larger distance travel. But only Vessels fitted with Void Jump technology are capable of longer ranged jumps. As of now, only Railjack and The Zariman are the only craft fitted with Reliquary Drive. With it being Standard Issue on all Railjacks
Definitely good to know!
finally, some warframe scaling there are some people that been waiting for this moment for years
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I’d compare void schools to the different subclasses of destiny in lore. They can freely switch between them in lore, but for gameplay balance- you can’t.
That's definitely fair. My whole thing is I went through all the Void school lore but they are all fundamentally the same except with the key differences that separate them.
@@nothingimportanthere2082 That’s because they rely on the same fundamental power (The void), just bent into different forms and purposes. Same way you can turn electrical energy into mechanical energy, light, heat, and so on.
I don't have an issue with that they aren't as completely distinct as the Guardian subclasses. They are definitely nuanced but that is for another time.
For once, it took years until you gave this series a spotlight in scaling
All Railjacks use the finger, the finger has been cloned, the finger is also required for void jumping. That’s all the finger does, it doesn’t power the weapons, it’s basically the engine.
The Finger just empowers the ship with 5D energies. I'm not saying it will casually blow up the entire universe or any weird jank like that due to area of effect.
You're basically giving us,..Warframe player, what we needed!
Fun fact grineer armor is 1/4 strong as spartan armor from halo, also there amor is heavy as an tank. Remembered the warframe able to lift the grineer one hard to do mercy kill?
Warframes are crazy strong in strengths alone is a threat.
Grineer armour is weaker than Spartan armour but heavier?
@@jakebatty530 Makes sense.
The Grineer tend to lean on the idea of "MORE" before leaning into "BETTER" for their forces. Their industrial and mining capacity seems pretty potent, so if they can just add more armor and get the same effect as making better armor, they'll probably do that before going to R&D.
2:18 if I understand correctly, ony railjacks, the zariman, and maybe orokin derilects have reliquiary drives. Other spacecraft like the orbiter and grineer/corpus ships need the solar rails to move between planets.
I know the Zariman and the Operator's Railjack have Wally's finger but Idk what's up with that.
Any ship capable of void jumping has a reliquary drive. It’s not really said how exactly the orbiter gets into the void when you do those missions, but the only assumption that can be made is that it also has a reliquary drive.
@nothingimportanthere2082 the reliquary drive uses the man in the walls severed index finger to move spacecraft into the void. That's why the railjack can move between planets without a solar rail
@@thatwarframeguy3855 idk exactly how gameplay and lore are separated but if the orbiter had a reliquary drive you wouldn't need to activate rail stations to move between planets like you do when completing the star chart ingame.
@@HomeBakedBread I know that but the part that trips me up is why are there many of his index fingers gone but he only lost the one?
We'll probably get an explanation for all of this. The Man in the Wall is not a physical entity so I'm sure we'll learn about it later.
Im pretty sure every vessel meant to travel the void designed by the orokin or during there time in power was built with reliquary drives aka walleys finger in a box
Albrect Entrati made them to fight Wally. He got the Grey Strain from Wally's finger.
"Wally."
That is my main takeaway from this video. The man in the wall now has a name and I don't know why I never thought of it myself.
Amazing video 👌🏾
Thank you 🙌
All reliquary drives in the warframe universe operate using a finger, they're usually copies though.
I think warframe being interpretation based suits it very well as one can piece together the lore the way they view it.
finally, someone actually power scales, warframe I never thought this day would come
Yep it about time but yet we still don't know there full power.
No matter what tenno will keep growing stronger and stronger beyond physical possibilities. Now we getting Lovecraft stuff. It more fitting since the material world can't contain the tenno
@@TheDragonfriday I plan to revisit Warframe rather often for a scaling topic. It's a rather deeply lore-rich game.
@@TheDragonfriday I think we might get some hyperversal scales in the future
Hopefully. Man in the Wall is leaning a bit closer to 6D now.
Btw the tenno are immortal the weird legged guy said it its been awhile so i forgot his name
But now comes to the the biggest concern, what will take on the Murmurs if more varients and types yet to come.
All I can say is if you can survive the heat from the SUN your basically OP
Learned a little more about the Tenno W
Thx for the support! Bro, you're creeping up on 1.5k subs. Keep it up!
@@nothingimportanthere2082 I’m trying man I just gotta figure out some more lore to post
Make 1.5k an incentive for your fans. I'd suggest an in-verse vs battle as the goal.
@@nothingimportanthere2082 yes that’s a good idea
@@SolarissD2 The only thing I'd recommend is stay away from scaling terms due to the more casual nature of your fanbase. We can sit down and talk about it sometime in a later date.
nice video!
Thx!
Not really
Btw im pretty sure the technical original warframe is excaliber and excaliber umbra because they are in yhe story quest and umbra is the only warframe you actually get from story quest
Yh some of these can be argued just to clear up some stuff that might be misunderstood buuuttt real good vid
There's more. Cephalons are 5th dimensionally complex but can physically manifest physically inside the Weave. Hunhow, after possessing Suda, had a way into the Weave. His mind is either nerfed or at full power, but no one scaled to Suda-Hunhow, including the two 5th dimensional Cephalons fighting with the Operator.
Nice video
5:30 damn…. That hurt to watch. How you know lore, but not void angel mechanics? Lol
I have other clips where I did better. This was just my first two or three Effervo runs.
This scaling is flawed bc it doesn't take into consideration that each have their own limitations. It's like comparing fire to water to earth, and even more so complicated than that.
Tenno are bassically conduits of infinite power, but without a way to apply that power, they can't really do all that much. They are invincible outside of very particular world breaking circumstances, and even then thats not actually killing them, and they can come back from it, bot offensively they are limited.
And drifter during the new war is a product of that paradox mentioned that was ballas' attempt to get rid of the tenno main character and up until being reunited with the operator the driftor is technically powerless and yet is facing off with and winning against the grineer which are mechanically enhanced super soldiers which is to say they are void enhanced but not to the same extent of the operator who actually made the deal with the man in the wall.
The only reason ballas has any power over lotus is bc he has her brainwashed, and the only reason why she is tough to deal with is bc she is a powerful sentient but we dont want to kill her.
Warframes on their own are immensely powerful technorganic warmachines built as an experiment to try and perfect the technocyte virus and use it as a weapon. Without orokin technology being used to "sedate" them, they are driven by rage and pain. Their powers are linked to the void but on their own are limited.
Warframes on their own are equivalent to the sentients in strength on an eidolon level, but once they are empowered by a tenno, both their performance and abilities are boosted by the void energy.
Mods in the game are used as an approximation to your tennos mastery of the void and their ability to enhance their warframes and weapons, which they also enhance with void energy.
Essentially, the tenno are infinitely powerful but are limited by their mastery of that power.
The man in the wall is also infinitely powerful. However, it is limited by certain universal constants preventing it from accessing our reality directly. It implies that all other realities fall under its control, and through some yet unexplained reason, it isn't able to access our reality, but its goal is to access our reality so that it can consume it. Making the man in the wall if im not mistaken and understand this scaling correctly, not 5th dimensional but nth dimensional given its power over entire dimensions and realities and its ability to make new ones. Basically, he's a greedy asshole who wants our reality simply bc he doesn't have it.
So how strong are they physically cause at the new war when they leave their necramech the operator/drifter are seen casually carrying the paracesis on their back
5D. I'm going to cover Necromechs and Vessels with the Warframes but they are share the same tier in terms of striking power. Erra is about as powerful as Necromech Operator. Erra is a good bar.
@@nothingimportanthere2082 thanks i had trouble with that
No problem. Think of it like this: the weakest Warframe and Arthur (the Vessel) could be a 1,000x or 10,000x apart in physical stats, but they share the same tier.
@@nothingimportanthere2082 thats pretty handy appreciate it
@@MR.PACK55 👍
Noe the question Is the límits Of transference
You knowi wasn't planning on watching this video, and for a solid few minutes i thought you did a pretty good job, but i have a few issues with the present information. Not many but enough to to feel as if i must bring them up. First off the tenno is acausal type 3 as they are suplimentary to the drifter. I'm not entirely sure how you got to type four but i would like to hear that explanation. Second, you said that the sun can affect 5th dimensional things. I'm assuming that's a mix of yoi joking and the fact that most people including yourself flagrantly use superstring theory wrong. The reliquary drive is only used for protection against the void's self actualising properties and has not shown to give ve the railjack any powers like that of the man in the wall. Third, you aren't being entirely objective, you're generalizing and minimalizing. I would like if you made a more in depth look at the operator as certain things aren't going to always be written down. Not all of what the game shows you is unreliable.
Type 4 comes from the Operator having a personal timeline. You can either call it type 3 or 4 but type 4 comes from the fact that Void energies don't really follow conventional laws of nature. I don't even think the Void follows any normal causal system. I think the Drifter being Type 3 is fine if we wanted to put one of them there.
Otherwise, the server is open if you wanna VC about it. Not everyone is going to agree on the same shit and I'm fine with that, but I'm sticking to my guns here.
@@nothingimportanthere2082 I'm just curious exactly where you're getting the rating of "Type 3" or "Type 4"?
@@therobustempyrean1436 The only known definitions are on places like VSBW, CSAP, and other wikis. I don't like their scaling but they define hax fairly well.
I feel like your taking a lot of stuff out of context, and jumping to a lot of conclusions.
1. The reliquary drive is just canonically how all Railjacks fast travel without the Solar Rails. This makes them powerfull because they can be at any fight in the system in a matter of moments, while other ships have to travel to and from the solar rails to make it to said fights. That's pretty much it.
2. Ballas and Lotus dont out scale a Railjack, Pragasa does. They just have the keys to Pragasa. That'd be like saying a Gundam pilot could fight another Gundam with just their fists. Just not how it works.
3. Yeah we can say Ballas and Lotus more or less scale to each other post him stealing some of her power, but we don't know the details of that power. How much of the fight we have is enhanced via Orokin tech he built, and how much is Sentient power? Part of the problem there is that we don't really know what "Sentient power/magic" really entails. Lotus didn't exactly push the Man In The Wall back in a 1 on 1 contest, she closed the portal Pregasa had opened. Now that probably to some power (though most of it was Pregasas power) but she didn't "beat" him. If she was That strong then she wouldn't need us or anyone or anything, she could be the hero of the story, a literal God with no reason to fear any currently living being in the Sol system. Someone with no need for armies, ships, or anything. But she's not that.
4. And neither are we. ...yet. neither are we, yet. The Tenno are still coming into their power as they're still children who have spent most of their time as warriors just piloting Warframes from within dream pods. That said we are still pretty strong for barely understanding our power. We're effectively immortal thanks to Oro (though based on Rell we likely can die of old age), we can phase thru dimensions to grant ourselves temporary invincibility, we can teleport, and our void fire can (eventually) kill even the strongest goes we can encounter.
My guy, Lotus literally powered Pragasa. Since Pragasa outscales the Railjacks, so too would the Lotus. It may as well be a lie to say Lotus doesn't scale and along with the Operator who scales to her.
"Well, if they were that strong, then why would Lotus need help?" Because other characters scale to Lotus and Ballas. Just because the Operator is getting stronger with their Void powers isn't a negation, either. Skepticism isn't an argument. It's a position.
So what about the Dax as seen as Drifter we can match them in sword combat so would the drifter be able if needed to defend the standard enemies we cut through without a Warframe?
Very good question! Yes, I think he would. He's a good deal stronger than the Operator and wields Sun and Moon; Teshin's weapon.
Drifters also fight and wins against a Warframe without using a Warframe themselves. In Duviri you fight Kullervo without using a Warframe
@@omnizenn4559 Granted Duviri scaling is kinda busted. If the Drifter is fighting anyone in Duviri they could win with enough decrees.
@@godzelda123they are also through the quest revealed to be the “god” of that plane of existence which is why they need to rely stealth in real space.
@@ERBanmech Yup, he's just letting Thrax have control cuz he felt sorry for him, Drifter could easily take back control anytime he wishes. But that's very subjective, more of a potential feat if anything.
I'm so confused on what this video is even about.. Only thing I learned is that there's a fkn finger in the rail jack? I've never noticed it. I thought it was just some type of energy floating in there. I've never seen it or did they just add that after whispers?
It's been there since before the New War. I covered what 5D was in my cosmology video and I didn't want to reuse talking points.
Yo man nice video Really i see you tried to get information on tenno much as possible and did pretty well so what eould you say you scale the tenno tho if don't have a anwser yet then thats fine too
5D. I referenced Wally's index finger, which can deplicate itself.
@@nothingimportanthere2082 yea true oh question wouldn't wally scale a little higher because a past video you that there's a boarder between universities that 4d so wouldn't be scale like 9d or no is that not how it works
Void energies are 5D, even in the material plane.
@@nothingimportanthere2082 oh ok
@@nothingimportanthere2082hey can i ask you something
A 5D being isn't necessarily more powerful than a lower dimensional being. Take us for example, we are 3-dimensional beings yes, but that doesn't make us omnipotent towards lower dimension. We can't just erase lower dimensional beings because we are limited on what we can do on a 2-dimensional scale. Like say there is an infinite 2D universe, we aren't going to be able to deadlift or destroy the thing just cos we live in the 3rd dimension.
A higher dimensional being, is a being that can travel in more dimensions than us. A 4th dimensional being, for example, would possess the ability to move through time. We can't because we can't comprehend or see the 4th dimension.
And about the Operator and Drifter, there is more nuance to it than just being from different timelines. Drifter is the counterpart that supposedly exists in a timeline where we were excluded from being saved, it is unsure whether the Drifter has no power and any that they use is from their link to the Tenno or that they do in fact have power from the deal with Wally. However, due to eternalism and our desire to escape the Zariman 10-0 loop, we forged a connection with the Drifter so they could fish us out. Drifter can access our Operator's power, It's why until we awaken in The New War, the Drifter can't use any void abilities. To add to this, Duviri was a realm made by the Drifter using the connection to us, the Operator. Drifter is essentially an omnipotent being in Duviri, going so far as rewinding time just so that Duviri Teshin, a being not under her dominion, can live again.
EDIT: Fixed this "Drifter is a counterpart that exists in a timeline where we didn't accept the deal with Wally, so inherently, the Drifter has no power. " From records around Duviri, it is suggested that we did make a deal but were purposefully excluded from being saved.
@@ADunleavy Perhaps in the case IRL, being higher dimensional doesn't matter.
However, that is the case for fiction. We cannot limit fiction with a set of rules it doesn't fully follow. To do so would be the very height of Fallacy.
It doesn't take an entire paragraph to know that.
@@nothingimportanthere2082 It would also be a fallacy to assume that a higher dimensional being would be omnipotent in lower dimensions, especially in this case, since there is no real evidence supporting that. In fact, there is no real evidence showing how powerful he is, there is too little known about him.
I am not saying The Man in The Wall is weak, the fact that he needs to be kept out of the real world by the Tenno is proof that he is incredibly dangerous. However, The Indifference, has seemingly already entered into our Universe in The New War's conclusion, if he were truly an omnipotent being he'd already have been able to do what he wants from just that, disregarding that the Heart pumps 'the Void and its Energy into the real world' acting as a bridge for various void-powered objects or that void storms exist.
And even looking into fiction, there are numerous cases where higher dimensional beings aren't omnipotent in lower dimensions. The biggest example is The Doctor, the time lords have manipulated dimensions up into the 11th dimension, but there have been numerous lower dimension beings that have been able to overpower and would have been able to kill the Doctor had it not been for his extreme intelligence. Yes, he can revive from the dead, but Time War showed that they can in fact permanently die.
I'm not saying that higher dimensional beings are weak, but scaling them based on solely their dimensionality of existence is wrong. There is currently no way to scale The Indifference. The few known feats of his is that he is seemingly able to merge timelines into one, shown then Baro Ki'Teer met a "dashing stranger" who presented him with the opportunity to merge all his timelines across Eternalism into a singular individual, which he gladly accepted and a few other less powerful feats.
We currently just don't know enough to scale him. That is what I am getting at.
@@ADunleavy It's not a fallacy to use dimensional tiering to scale a series unless it's stated that dimensions don't mean anything. For Warframe, scaling is viable using dimensional tiering.
As for the bit about not being able to scale Man in the Wall, I call BS on that. He directly manipulated an infinite multiverse. You can't use logic from another series when it goes by a different set of rules. Doctor Who and Warframe have two different sets of Physics, which should be respected.
You're free to disagree on this but I don't find your arguments compelling. I can nitpick several things, but I'd rather leave that as part of a conversation regarding the topic of Scaling Axioms.
If you'd like to discuss this, here's my Discord: Reginald0095
Wait quick question how do you even know the operator is. 5th dimensional
The cosmos is verbatim 5D. That's why.
@@nothingimportanthere2082 ohhh thanks that helps alot i was confused
I wonder isn’t the drifter more powerful than the operator they created duviri right
They didn't make it, no.
@@nothingimportanthere2082 man I could’ve sworn they said they made it at the end of duviri im not sure i might have to replay it I don’t want to🥲
@@YESIMDETOS Albrect's daughter or grandaughter made it.
@@nothingimportanthere2082 you sure could’ve swarn the drifter said he gave back to the masked guy from the start i cant remember it was like a year ago or whenever it was i played duviri the second it came out and iwas not restarting that. Quest again cuz it was to bugged💀
@@YESIMDETOS He let Dominus Thrax control Duviri. Duviri was created due to the Void and merely shaped due to Drifter being influenced.
Aaay another hildryn
Its obvious at this time how biased against Warframe you are.
lmao! Not really.