How powerful is The Witness?

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  • @TheDeathNote2
    @TheDeathNote2 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    So strong he couldn’t get the veil himself

    • @Inshabael.
      @Inshabael. 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Don't be so asinine.
      The Guardian couldn't dent the Witness as is.

  • @theburnedman..
    @theburnedman.. 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    still waiting for oryx vs Darkside

  • @too_official6194
    @too_official6194 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    2:56 bruh didn’t shoot him just to admire his drip that teleport was goofy ngl 😂😂😂😂

    • @EagleEdits100
      @EagleEdits100 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He turn immune hence why he didn’t shoot.

    • @too_official6194
      @too_official6194 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@EagleEdits100 he doesn’t turn immune but I thought it was funny 😂😂

    • @EagleEdits100
      @EagleEdits100 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@too_official6194 He does turn immune.

    • @too_official6194
      @too_official6194 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@EagleEdits100 ok

  • @TheBitingBat
    @TheBitingBat 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The Witness scales so massively above anything in the verse its insane. Calus, who at that point is casually outerversal, was bleeding from his eyes and nose just by being in the presence of the true power of the Witness. All of the disciples, along with the hive gods and worm gods, have only a fraction of the Witness's power, which means any feats they have it surpasses many times over. They should be straight up Omnipotent in verse, making them above the entire infinite destiny universe. Name literally any character in the verse, the Witness smokes them. In fact, going from the Vex and Elsie, the Witness has already won in thousands to potentially an infinite amount of timelines. This would make the Final Shape potentially boundless, at least going off statements

    • @ratoimariurs5323
      @ratoimariurs5323 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Nobody can hope to be boundless in destiny verse that is clearly wank since boundless requires that you get something akin to mahlo cardinal and up as well as equivalents like some interpretations of a type 4 multiverse.
      I consider destiny outerversal based on the cosmological structures present here 2-3 layers above baseline outerversal is the maximum I can give based on what I picked up from the cosmology.
      And I use the statements that describe those structures.
      I can push with 4 layers above baseline outerversal with the light/darkness aka the supreme entities of the verse.

    • @Gigachad-mc5qz
      @Gigachad-mc5qz 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think the vex are stronger or on par. I think we severely underestimate them and we only thought low level vex so far

    • @TheBitingBat
      @TheBitingBat 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Gigachad-mc5qz the vex are immensely powerful, but the witness makes them terrified. They are literally trying to find a way to escape the destiny universe to flee from the witness. I put the vex at 5D, which would make the witness infinitely above 5D. Wyverns are vex shock troops, and they still bow to the Witness. The minds of the black garden calculated that their best bet at survival is to align themselves to the witness and adapt to fit with its design, even studying and incorporating taken energy to better serve the witness

    • @TheBitingBat
      @TheBitingBat 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ratoimariurs5323 to clarify I don't think the witness is boundless. The Final Shape, the witness's ultimate goal, is what is stated to be potentially beyond outerversal. We won't really know till Final Shape comes out, and bungie will probably clarify/retcon some stuff to make it so we actually can defeat the witness. I'd still put the witness as high outerversal

    • @ratoimariurs5323
      @ratoimariurs5323 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TheBitingBat witness from what i learned currently i would put him into the baseline High Outerversal while other top tiers would be maybe at Outerversal+ at maximum.

  • @llamaboss5169
    @llamaboss5169 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I remember hearing byf say rhulk was stronger than oryx. Maybe you could elaborate on some of the nuances between that match up and why you think oryx is stronger.
    It was said that the upended could be used to destroy a hive throne world.

    • @nothingimportanthere2082
      @nothingimportanthere2082  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I made this point in the video. At that time period, Rhulk outscaled all the Hive Gods. Due to his death and them getting way stronger after his death, the Hive Gods surpassed Rhulk.
      The Upended can destroy Throne Worlds but that doesn't mean it can do so to the strongest Hive God worlds anymore.
      I'd be fine explaining this in more detail to people but no one wants to put their proposition to the test.

    • @llamaboss5169
      @llamaboss5169 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@nothingimportanthere2082 It was implied that the uppended could kill Savuthuns throne world who at the time was as strong if not stronger than than Oryx.

    • @llamaboss5169
      @llamaboss5169 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@nothingimportanthere2082 Another thing to show how Rhulk is a power level above Oryx is that out Rhulk is single handedly responsible for the entire context of reality Oryx is aware of, and it was something Rhulk thought was a boring job to do. And we're comparing Rhulk to Oryx, not "the strongest hive gods."

    • @nothingimportanthere2082
      @nothingimportanthere2082  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      *At the time*. You missed the entire point of what I said. With the Hive Gods, they downscale from Nezarec by *today's standard*. With them being around Calus now, Rhulk gets bopped.
      That is true for *that time period*. There's no evidence for Rhulk scaling to current day Hive Gods. There's quite literally nothing for Rhulk scaling to the modern day characters.

    • @pablomarciano7895
      @pablomarciano7895 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@nothingimportanthere2082do you think that there still might be a possibility for some rhulk up scaling or nah?

  • @ratoimariurs5323
    @ratoimariurs5323 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    people who say that their verse solos destiny and the verses can be counted on a human's hand unless you count your own verses or fanficitons.

  • @Obviousfrosting6998
    @Obviousfrosting6998 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Considering the guardian is the strongest who is the second strongest guardian
    random question

    • @nothingimportanthere2082
      @nothingimportanthere2082  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      One of their fireteam members.

    • @Obviousfrosting6998
      @Obviousfrosting6998 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@nothingimportanthere2082 I thought it would be saint 14 honestly

    • @MissInfinity0803
      @MissInfinity0803 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@Obviousfrosting6998 saint 14 isnt too powerful compared to a lot of other guardians, if were talking about strongest guardians in their prime, that goes to osiris, id even put prime osiris above the guardian, he was able to defy the travelers rules to shape the light in his own ways, such as duel weilding daybreak swords, or creating total copies of himself that could also weild light abilities, these copies also had seperate consciousness, like what he did in the battle of 6 fronts, where he had other copies of himself fighting every battle, being one of the most valuable people to the battle

  • @D2-0RYX549
    @D2-0RYX549 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ok this my own scaling;
    Oryx=high outerversal to boundless
    Savathun and xivu=high outerversal+ to boundless
    Rhulk=boundless to boundless+
    Calus=high outerversal+ to boundless
    Nezarec=boundless+ to boundless++
    The Witness=boundless+++ to beyond
    Winnower= [error]

  • @scourgewatcher
    @scourgewatcher 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Strong enough to strike through the 4th wall and sunder bungie.

    • @nothingimportanthere2082
      @nothingimportanthere2082  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If you watch my Hefnd video, you'd realize the humor in that.

  • @SolarissD2
    @SolarissD2 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    W as always

  • @Aidjin22
    @Aidjin22 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like the witness, however I feel as if the games main story doesn't do him any justice

  • @christianwhite8877
    @christianwhite8877 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have a question. Where should a being scale to if they meet these requirements. They control all dreams and nightmares (they view them as a non physical version of the universe that they happen to live in). They know from experience that time is stopped for those who are awake while time in the dreams and nightmares is fast enough to see it as such. They learned from the dreams and nightmares that the universe is infinite in size. They have put people into an infinity layered 'dream within a dream' situation before where each dream is more real than the previous. They know that the dreams and nightmares of everyone have an irregular relationship with causality (people can have dreams about time travel and do so in a dream/nightmare. While someone else could have a dream about there normal life. Thus making time different for everyone. Though somehow those dreams are able to interact with each other). They are an unchanging being (many people have affected the reality of many dreams. But even though the being exists outside time and space. And is a universal constant in each dream/nightmare. Nothing anybody has ever done was able to do anything to them. Even if it was other beings who could put people into an infinity layered 'dream within a dream' situation). They once had a physical body

    • @nothingimportanthere2082
      @nothingimportanthere2082  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Infinite 4D

    • @christianwhite8877
      @christianwhite8877 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I can understand why. Though if given more context I think they could be 6 dimensional. Perhaps high hyperversal, though the highest they could be is somewhere within outer to low outerversal

    • @nothingimportanthere2082
      @nothingimportanthere2082  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@christianwhite8877 Infinites don't reflect dimensions in themselves. That's why it's infinite 4d.

    • @christianwhite8877
      @christianwhite8877 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      True. Though there can still be context that could apply. As an example. The vast majority of dreams could be normally be disconnected from each other but still have an infinite sized world the dream takes place in. Then there can be dreams that are somehow connected to other people's dreams. Perhaps there could be a dream between the dreams of everyone that happens to allow you to see all of the dreams and nightmares. It really depends on how the context is used though

  • @vinacar
    @vinacar 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    so they keep the game going we will lose and Mara how ever you spell it she will put us in a pocket world using a wish dragon baby and it all starts again.

  • @arisingvoiceforuslordofcha8013
    @arisingvoiceforuslordofcha8013 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Damn…megamind is op.

    • @ratoimariurs5323
      @ratoimariurs5323 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It is very powerful indeed while it is not as strong as the maker of the video suggests it is very powerful still it is near at the top of the verse via being at least 3 layers above baseline outerversal.

    • @nothingimportanthere2082
      @nothingimportanthere2082  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ratoimariurs5323 The server is open if you think you can defend the proposition.

    • @ratoimariurs5323
      @ratoimariurs5323 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@nothingimportanthere2082 the discord one?

    • @nothingimportanthere2082
      @nothingimportanthere2082  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The public server, and it's always open.

    • @ratoimariurs5323
      @ratoimariurs5323 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@nothingimportanthere2082 i am trying to get in the server

  • @conmanay4563
    @conmanay4563 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Here’s a simple diagram
    High Hyperversal Vex Collective < Kingsfall era Oryx
    Kingsfall era Oryx = outerversal
    Kingsfall Oryx ≈ Rhulk(based on lore context such as savathun not being strong enough to challenge Rhulk or Oryx even with her and Xivu combined)
    Rhulk < Calus
    Calus < Nezerac
    Nezerac < Witness

    • @nullandvoid7524
      @nullandvoid7524 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Calus isn't stronger than Rhulk, and Rhulk would punch a hole through Kingsfall Oryx.

    • @Obviousfrosting6998
      @Obviousfrosting6998 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@nullandvoid7524calus is stronger then rhulk

    • @nullandvoid7524
      @nullandvoid7524 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Obviousfrosting6998 It makes literally no sense for that to be the case. Calus showcased nothing in terms of strength. He went from essentially a slug to a... empowered slug that can turn a rock into a cup, and turn the cup into weapons..
      Also Calus had access to his powers for what? A week? While Rhulk has been a dominant force for millions of years.
      I don't even buy that Nezerac could take Rhulk because the Nezerac we fought was basically still learning how to walk in a new body.

    • @Obviousfrosting6998
      @Obviousfrosting6998 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@nullandvoid7524nih literally made video's explaining why rhulk would lose to oryx nez and calus he got power crept the guardian can beat rhulk pretty easily now

    • @nullandvoid7524
      @nullandvoid7524 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Obviousfrosting6998 The only name on that list that's been powercrept is Oryx.
      Which is self explanatory. And in my opinion NIH is wrong on things that I don't see are even debatable.
      There's no logic behind the argument of Oryx being able to handle Rhulk. It makes absolutely zero sense for that to be true given what we know about both of them.

  • @GalaxyEdit_C
    @GalaxyEdit_C 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Now you making fun of my video that crazy dog

    • @nothingimportanthere2082
      @nothingimportanthere2082  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I literally said to not personally attack you. If some random did so, then it wasn't associated with me.

  • @christianwhite8877
    @christianwhite8877 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think that people trying to say that db is more powerful than most of (if not all) of fiction should really realize how wrong they are. Even if you go against the cannon series and use everything you can to give db the highest cosmology possible. There's nothing to get it above even baseline outer. Perhaps someday it will have low outerversal cosmology. With that being said. There are plenty of series out there that have higher cosmology without as many people trying to tell the world that it's the best or most powerful series, it's just that a decently large amount of db fans can't accept it (also. It seems you have the amount of subscribers you asked for before you scale db cosmology)

  • @alexanderrego1998
    @alexanderrego1998 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ur wrong about oryx and the hive. Rhulk surpasses all hive and rhulk was training savathun to become a disciple so savathun was closer to a disciple than oryx. Oryx is more like a champion of the deep.

    • @nothingimportanthere2082
      @nothingimportanthere2082  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yea, for Witch Queen era. That's not current era however. Rhulk loses to Calus and Nezarec and Oryx scale to Calus.

    • @alexanderrego1998
      @alexanderrego1998 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@nothingimportanthere2082 bro what??? Rhulk loses to calus? Nah im sorry this is horrible scaling

    • @nothingimportanthere2082
      @nothingimportanthere2082  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@alexanderrego1998 He literally created Nightmares stronger than Rhulk. Not my fault He outscales Rhulk when nerfed.

    • @alexanderrego1998
      @alexanderrego1998 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@nothingimportanthere2082 bro what? He didnt make those nightmares thats nezeracs power he communed with the pryamid he didnt do any of that

    • @nothingimportanthere2082
      @nothingimportanthere2082  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@alexanderrego1998 How does that negate a Nightmare taking 9 Guardians to fight? Also, he got access to Mind state. That let's him manipulate the Nightmares anyway. If you want to have in-depth conversation on the matter, join the Discord.

  • @donik4551
    @donik4551 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    We dont really know if the destiny universe stardet with the big bang, or if its a continuation of our reality or a diffrent reality. And the Veil entered the Wittness directley and uldrenn sov from a diffrent way, the Veil is maybe a mix of light and dark and its connected sort of to the traveler. Another guaridan entered the veil directley and when time passes he died and when he got into the veil he saw himself dead and got more memorys of his past live. And in that cutszene this giant fish or whale, speaked about in the cutszne trough a link to Sloane and talked about the veil and she said in the veil has something to do with reshape reality itself. Light formes the physics and everything on that, darkness everything on memory and emotions. Void is absence of light and dark but how can be Void energy be a Light Subclass? Elsi bray said there is a gap or anything like that between light and dark and together we can overcome this or go trough it.
    The Vex with paracausality that would be the end of everything 😂.

    • @nothingimportanthere2082
      @nothingimportanthere2082  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The universe was outright stated to be from the result of the Big Bang. We know a lot more than just that also.

    • @donik4551
      @donik4551 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@nothingimportanthere2082 the cosmodrom is playing in old russia, in a strike zavala says something about old russia. The etz is more like Germany, Austria and Switzerland i,m also german too. In the etz you find something with "Salzwerk" and that is a saltwork there is not really a translation. And how started the destiny universe in a big bang when these 2 places are from reality?

    • @nothingimportanthere2082
      @nothingimportanthere2082  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@donik4551 That's not what we use for the cosmology scaling. We literally have the findings of the Bray family and the rest of the lore talking about how the universe works.

  • @slaytallicadeththrax4547
    @slaytallicadeththrax4547 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Source: trust me bro

  • @LostEnding_
    @LostEnding_ 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I gotta say I don’t really agree with the ranking of the disciples. I’d say calus was the weakest then the orxy at his prime then light savathun then xivu then nez and finally rhulk. Do to the fact rhulk took on all the worm gods and they feared him while orxy only took on one. I know that fairly early in his life but both got stronger as time went on. Even savathun who was more powerful then orxy feared rhulk. Eris was stated to be the most powerful hive god of all time after she gained the power to banish xivu meaning oryx was probably the weakest by the time of season of the witch.

    • @nothingimportanthere2082
      @nothingimportanthere2082  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      1) Rhulk was only stated to be the first Disciple. He's literally written to be surpassed by a lot of people later.
      2) Oryx eventually surpassed Rhulk bc he got stronger and Rhulk died.
      3) Savathun doesn't scale to Calus.
      4) There is no power scaling statements for Rhulk mattering post Vow of the Disciple.
      5) Nezarec is the strongest Disciple due to the sheer amount of feats and statements he has.
      6) Calus surpassed Rhulk in Season of the Haunted and got much more powerful in Lightfall.
      I definitely disagree with your take as there is no evidence to support that position. Still appreciate the comment regardless.

    • @LostEnding_
      @LostEnding_ 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@nothingimportanthere2082 idk about the first one, because if that was the case savathun wouldn’t have feared him.
      The second doesn’t really make sense, since oryx died multiple years before rhulk. Oryx also never challenged any of the other worm gods past the point of becoming the taken king. Debatable savathun had to be weakened before she was defeated she also grows stronger everyday. Even after her death she lost none of her power. I’m not really sure what you mean by number 4. I kinda forgot what’s said about nez so I’d have to go back and look cause I could be wrong. Idk about that it took 1 amped guardian to defeat him where as rhulk wasn’t even trying against 6, not every boss will be stronger then the next. I definitely disagree with 6 calus was no where near rhulk at that point. But I’ll try to find some lore tabs to help my points or prove myself wrong😭

    • @nothingimportanthere2082
      @nothingimportanthere2082  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Rhulk mattered in the Witch Queen time period. However, the revelation we got in Season of the Witch was Savathun was getting much stronger after her death, to the point of her directly downscaling from the Guardian, putting her above Rhulk. As for VotD, Rhulk only held back his instant death hax. He was going at it using about 80% to 90% of his power. He even complimented the Guardian for being able to hurt him.
      As for Calus, you're imagining the he was the same since his reign on Torobatl when he went through 3 character evolutions past that point. It was in the Presage mission that he got a power increase and then in Haunted he got even stronger. Once he lost his nerf and got the Disciple armor, he was at his peak. The Nightmare Harvester included many nightmares who took 9 Guardians to fight and the Harvester was still below him at the end of the season.
      Basically, all you end up with is a bunch of claims you can't prove because you haven't studied the lore in a power scaling manner. You're just remembering a bunch of stuff from prior seasons and what other people said without fact checking them. Rhulk has been power crept for over a year+ now. I'm not opposed to learning new info but I played D2 since launch and I saw everything from the start of D1 up to now. Destiny power creeps it's own lore and has been doing that since the beginning.
      I'll VC with you about it later if you're curious. Texting takes too long and I'm at work right now. My name is Reginald0095 on Discord.

    • @LostEnding_
      @LostEnding_ 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@nothingimportanthere2082 your first argument could technically be completely rebutted with using oryx seeing how he died a while ago yet you have him scaled higher then rhulk. I don’t believe savathun was growing stronger while dead seeing how she has no worm now, all she had were her prior tithes. I don’t think there’s evidence of rhulk ever having an instant death attack, tho I have no idea the extent of which he was holding back. But he definitely wasn’t near full power.
      Oh I was thinking more of him in the leviathan raid and the dungeon. By nerf are you referring to when we went into the dungeon and released him of his nightmares? I do believe he got a buff but nothing substantial enough to equate to sons of killing like oryx and rhulk.
      I definitely would not call myself a destiny lore person tho I’ve read hundreds of entries, when in debates I tend to go back and look information up as to help with my point. But I would like to think I have a fair bit of knowledge, I’m not the greatest at powerscaling tho I try my best. But some of your examples don’t really add up for me, I’ve played since alpha of d1 tho I definitely don’t know everything. That also isn’t entirely true as oryx, riven, rhulk are all fairly relevant to the foes we still face though we may have more information not everything is truely power crept out of the arguments.
      I’m kinda the opposite I’m more of a texter cause I’m absolutely abhorrent with verbal words and communication, tho I’m not opposed to continuing the debate vc isn’t really on the table for me. I was at work too, took me like 2 hours to write one comment😭

    • @nothingimportanthere2082
      @nothingimportanthere2082  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You literally ignored the revelation of Ghosts of the Deep being Oryx still was growing in power and not exactly dead. I appreciate the differing opinion but a lot of it is skepticism, hence why I VC.
      I don't really care for continuing the conversation if all it goes back to is 'I'm skeptical and I don't know the scaling meta very well'. I don't mind ignorance but if you're gonna go with what you think is right over what is right, then the conversation ends here.
      Duality doesn't affect Lightfall's scaling but it does clue us in on how strong Calus is in Season of the Haunted. As for Rhulk, there's literally a shitload of statements of him complementing the MC for being at his level of power.
      Otherwise, I'm going to leave it at that. Anymore and I'd just suggest we VC over it because you're fighting me on this rather heavily.

  • @deathkage779
    @deathkage779 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Daddy Darkness

  • @GalaxyEdit_C
    @GalaxyEdit_C 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It’s just my opinion and stop saying stuff that hear 20 time the witness stronger

    • @nothingimportanthere2082
      @nothingimportanthere2082  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's my channel, my guy. I disagree with Dragon Ball scaling to Destiny in any way possible, but you don't hear me complaining about people having their own opinion.
      If you think you have a case to make, here's my Discord: Reginald0095

  • @gaoexkaiser
    @gaoexkaiser หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Its as strong as you can afford the latest overpriced Destiny 2 DLC, battle pass, and emotional damage of sunsetting. How they can ruin the game again in the next season.

  • @SomeGuyWithTwoCats6066
    @SomeGuyWithTwoCats6066 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So... The Witness is as powerful if it were to face against the DC Universe? Maybe even more powerful than the powerhouses in that universe too??
    Always had a feeling Destiny powerhouses such as the Witness and its Disciples would be up there to potentially face down those powerful in the DC Universe, I would include Marvel but DC does have a ton more powerful beings.

    • @nothingimportanthere2082
      @nothingimportanthere2082  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The Witness vs The Darkest Knight is on the list. I'm saving that for the Final Shape.

  • @ratoimariurs5323
    @ratoimariurs5323 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    From what I know the strongest characters are light and darkmess pyramidion is anywhere between high 1-B and Low 1-A and is more or less above most structures in the verse, and light and darkness are blatantly 1-A due to having transcendence over the pyramidion.
    The withness is not even close to be one of the strongest in all of fiction the ressons why are veres such as SCP, Nikies the Byzantine from you can forget the words, elder scrolls top tiers, marvel comics, world of darkness, twin peaks, verses that annihilate destiny.

    • @bvfDelta
      @bvfDelta 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The garden of possibilities a type 4 multiverse is boundless

    • @ratoimariurs5323
      @ratoimariurs5323 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@bvfDelta nope even a type 4 multiverse is only outerversal unless proven otherwise.
      Mathematical concepts can be used for dimensional tiering as they are the main cornerstone of it and some of those concepts are used in destiny they are the how we know that destiny is reaching outerversals level of power the pyramidalion is an infinite dimensional structure that uses Hilbert mathematics.

    • @bvfDelta
      @bvfDelta 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @ratoimariurs5323 except the flower game exists beyond those mathematical spaces and the gardener and winnower beyond even the flower game

    • @bvfDelta
      @bvfDelta 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ratoimariurs5323 we also have multiple statements of people leaving "the game" or being aware they are within a game like truth to power ahamkaras and emissary of the o

    • @ratoimariurs5323
      @ratoimariurs5323 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@bvfDelta still not Enough and besides them leaving the game means 0 didly.neither does 4th wall awareness means anything if we could follow your logic Popeye would one tap destiny and that's it cause Popeye can interact with audience and could beat up his author.

  • @GalaxyEdit_C
    @GalaxyEdit_C 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This bull crap

    • @nothingimportanthere2082
      @nothingimportanthere2082  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I have the evidence to prove it. I've made my case for Destiny being high outerversal for the last two years with the appropriate evidence to prove it. I'll take that any day of the week over mere claims.