Where i work,in 2019 the hospital had 1 medical doctor and only 3 consultants. Interns were posted, i saw them literally holding the hospital together with no one to direct them. My best friend could go 72 hours with no sleep. I cannot remember the number of times i had to check on her just to make sure she has eaten. We ( other carders) nurses, nutritionist, clinician depended on their judgement! So when i see someone like Kuria talking trash about interns my heart bleeds! Anyways its there time to shine
Thank you Jamila for putting it out clearly. A doctor can forget any part of their life but can never forget about their internship due to the challenges they face then. It's what completes them as drs
Thank you for being our voice!!! No one had an easy internship everyone has stories that will leave you shocked and saddened as an intern!! It is a stage that makes you or breaks you as a doctor! Well put Madam Jamila!
I receive this memo with pain. Who should we blame? Chebukati? Voters? The fact is we failed to scrutinize the character of these leaders and we chose to vote words, our tribes and lies. If voters change their mentality we will have right leaders.
I dated an intern ,and it was terrible 😢. Never got time together for that whole year. A 5 mins good night call never ended, he almost always slept in the middle of a call,and not on his bed ,on one of the empty beds in hospital,and many times hungry. If he got time to go eat,he would trade it with a nap😢.
That's the life of interns. I'm glad you witnessed it. Dating during that period requires an understanding partner for the relationship to grow. It's not an easy period.
Whoever says Med interns should not be renumerated accordingly, is at fault. The same govt increased their shouting and yelling allowances for MP's. This will be our own undoing. Pay Doctors, interns, and Nurses a good wage period.
Well put Jamila. Medical internship gives most doctors PTSD because of the way it was. It's intense and with long working hours. Always working in the hospital. The consultants only offer advisory consults but most of the work is to be done by the Medical interns.
Well put ms Jamila.. Mr Kuria actually needs to get his facts right before he starts verbally abusing our medical interns & medics in general. I reckon that mr Kuria actually needs a medical intern to remedy his verbal diarrhoea 😅. Dr Sofia M
True very true . This is the mindsets of many Kenyan leaders thinking they climbed the ladder easily while they themselves knew they started low and now belittling those who start in the same positions. They will never understand the work of an intern giving them most of the works and others aren’t paid let alone be underpaid . This interns isn’t only applicable to doctors only but to all sectors
Now that is what a well researcheed piece sounds like. Taking time to understand what you're talking about; unless the cheap bar talk that way the CS came with.
As a mother to a medical student,I am calling to all mothers of doctors to join the doctors strikes. Let's remind Moses Kuria's arrogance that the office he's sitting in belongs to the citizens of this land. Period. Enough is enough
Absolutely, I could not have put this any better Jamila, this government has no respect for what is important to Kenyans, none at all....... priorities are misplaced and what really matters to our people has been thrown in the back seat, people are dying of floods because of shortcuts, healthcare is a mess and the list goes on and on, then these right here are the leaders we hope will get us out of these mess???? We are still in slumber land Kenya , God help us all
Thank you Jamila for setting the record straight. The overpaid sluggard will always yell incorrigibly against any attempt to recognize & fairly remunerate the underpaid & overworked labourers under his watch.
Jamila, I don't know why you responded to Cs Kuria, he makes such utterances because he can, and surprisingly, he will never stop. Talking to a wall does not move it. Stop reading too much into the Cs words, you make him relevant.
Intern Doctors are employed as Management Trainee like all other Graduates in both Govt & Private sectors. Management Trainees are paid salary not stipend to students. The reason discrepancy in the salary is the nature of the work. It's long odd extraneous working hours with a lot of risk of contracting disease and abuse from the patients & relatives. Practicing medicine and surgery is both physically and mentally and psychologically demanding. Let us pay interns what they deserve. Our MTs salaries are also too low leading to corruption.
Thank you for highlighting what interns actually do. I was an intern, I was overworked, barely slept worked back to back 32 hour shifts, barely had any contact with my family during that period...was tired and depressed constantly. My heart broke when I saw him speak all that rubbish
I am just curious? When interns are working this hard on shift where are the doctors? Its like someone is absconding duties at the expense of intern just for the sake of getting licenced. Interns should be demonstrating against that. Painting an intern as the beast of burden is diverting as from the fact that somebody is sleeping at work. Who knows when they are employed watalala pia and the same sorry of interns will continue. This memo has a lot missing is it
Which doctors? They county only retain one or two. The two are insufficient to cover the entire hospital . So interns are the back bone of the public hospitals , they literally hold the hospitals in their hands .
Blame it on the governors who fail to employ doctors. Life after internship is hell for us because you can't get employment because our government cheaps out and decides to employ only few and pocket the rest of the money.
@@beatricemaina575 how come you meet the same guys in private practice, if the available workforce becomes accountable and responsible this will not be necessary
Thank you, Jamila. How on earth fo you reducesomeons salary by 91% in other post like politics, increase at the same time. Your memo is excellent, and Nuria is losing the argument. He won't last long in that office, he is a disaster to my country.
This CS lacks intergrity. I said this when he was first appointed a CS. Surely a few months later, he was transfered as his boss realised the same in him. He has not changed much and continues to rant the same foolishness. Maskini akipata, matako hulia mbwata. This is true fir this CS.
The truth is Medicine is like any other career, and ministry of education should lower the course intake grade like any other country, doctors are overrated,
If medicine was like any other career you would be one, or any other person would be one, medicine is a career yes but it's a noble career. Doctors are overrated because they earned it, the spend 6years of their youth to study medicine. I am even tired of explaining to you . Just do this ,if it's like any other career ,go study it pay school feel worth 4 million as your fee wewe ata first year utarudia
Well, not the interns. They don't even qualify to have clinics during that one year. All they are qualified to do is to work in that particular hospital for hours on end, without break. Medical intens are there 24/7 even as the supposed doctors "dodge out" . Though I don't know how they dodge out yet they still manage to treat people and perform operation, deliveries etc. I guess those who treat those patients are imaginary doctors I guess.
Ukweli. Thats why the docs want interns to be well enumerated coz they are the ones that man the hospitals. The main doctors do few hours and leave. In summary the interns hold the public hospitals together and cover for the doctors absence 24/7
Kuria talks when he is intoxicated with many things. When he is in his sober mind he is a very different person. This is the kind of leadership Kenyan elected. Wajinga nyinyi. 😂😂😂
CS kuria in your operation to belittle medical interns you safely managed to show us your ignorance levels😂 ant that the position you are holding is clearly in the wrong hands.
There's nothing important Jemila is saying here. No need to pay an intern 206k. In fact Kenya must come from a realization that as time goes by not all graduate doctors will be absorbed by the government. All doctors were absorbed by the government because we had fewer graduates but as medical schools increase in number , we must now rethink. Only teachers and doctors were all absorbed but as trend continues they will become like any other profession. Hired on demand.
It's in Govt Hospitals that you have Consultants to learn from, supervise & consult. After one year you are competent to manage the patient alone. Thanks Kamila. At least you told them Drs have 2 Degrees. The others add a PhD next to be specific.
We are not telling the government to employ all doctors. We are saying post medical interns who it's a must for them to work before they get the licence to work without supervision Go read who is a medical intern in Kenya Uwache kuongea kama ambaye hakuenda shule. Usijaribu Tena kujiembarass ivyo. Read be informed !!!
Did you not hear jamila? Yeye mwenyewe anasema that they've been given licenses from the first day of being an intern. They simply work to keep the license for that one year. The constitution considers them employees. Moses Kuria simply doesn't understand who the are. He doesn't know that they've done all the main exams and actually graduated from the school of medicine. Anasema they are students yet they have no relationship with the university apart from being an alumni. Mtu amegraduate si student
@@alloicesidika5044 meaning? Is it that you can't respond to my rhetoric so you respond with insults? Besides, an old man sees farther on a chair than a young man on a tree. Also, I'm probably younger than you so an advanced thought process is a compliment
Where i work,in 2019 the hospital had 1 medical doctor and only 3 consultants. Interns were posted, i saw them literally holding the hospital together with no one to direct them. My best friend could go 72 hours with no sleep. I cannot remember the number of times i had to check on her just to make sure she has eaten. We ( other carders) nurses, nutritionist, clinician depended on their judgement! So when i see someone like Kuria talking trash about interns my heart bleeds! Anyways its there time to shine
Jamila you have done research on the matter very well. Put it in writing and hand it over to the CS. He doesn't know or just playing games.
She should also hand it over to Nakhumicha, she was the most clueless person, who should at least have some clue.
Wueeh.. precise, bold, and direct.. some government officers have damaging ignorance.. paralysed thinking!
I really hope Kenyans will wake up in solidarity with their doctors.
Bravo Jamila! You have spared some of us the agony of listening to buffoonery from source! Long live our interns! ❤❤❤
Thank you Jamila for putting it out clearly. A doctor can forget any part of their life but can never forget about their internship due to the challenges they face then. It's what completes them as drs
Thank you for being our voice!!! No one had an easy internship everyone has stories that will leave you shocked and saddened as an intern!! It is a stage that makes you or breaks you as a doctor! Well put Madam Jamila!
Wow! I say no more. A strong voice!!! Thank you Jamila.
I receive this memo with pain. Who should we blame? Chebukati? Voters? The fact is we failed to scrutinize the character of these leaders and we chose to vote words, our tribes and lies. If voters change their mentality we will have right leaders.
Should blame our mps for venting and approving a person like this one surely God whom did we offend?
Well said Jamila may Allah proctect you.
Ameen Thum'mah Allahumma Ameen Yaa Rab'bal Aalameen
Allahuma Ameen
I dated an intern ,and it was terrible 😢. Never got time together for that whole year. A 5 mins good night call never ended, he almost always slept in the middle of a call,and not on his bed ,on one of the empty beds in hospital,and many times hungry. If he got time to go eat,he would trade it with a nap😢.
That's the life of interns. I'm glad you witnessed it. Dating during that period requires an understanding partner for the relationship to grow. It's not an easy period.
That's the life of interns. It's a journey of endurance keeping in mind that there are there are lives to save.
Thank you Jamila for making these people understand we know the difference between an intern Doctor and other interns.
We are in the hands of gangsters
😢
When we get burnt we get treatment outside the country. This is insane
.
Does Moses Kuria have any basic manners?
Bravo Jamila
Good journalism skills🎉
Whoever says Med interns should not be renumerated accordingly, is at fault. The same govt increased their shouting and yelling allowances for MP's. This will be our own undoing. Pay Doctors, interns, and Nurses a good wage period.
The likes of Moses Kuria are the trash that Ruto appointed to annoy people un Kenya
Well put Jamila.
Medical internship gives most doctors PTSD because of the way it was.
It's intense and with long working hours.
Always working in the hospital. The consultants only offer advisory consults but most of the work is to be done by the Medical interns.
Jamila, sisi kama daktari, tunashukuru, fir educating,the population,and the ignorant people who can't read !!
You are my hero
Kazi safi
Kabisa
Well put ms Jamila.. Mr Kuria actually needs to get his facts right before he starts verbally abusing our medical interns & medics in general. I reckon that mr Kuria actually needs a medical intern to remedy his verbal diarrhoea 😅.
Dr Sofia M
i support, DR OOKO BEN.
Awesome Jamila💯
Thank you Jamila. God bless you!
Well Presented, Bravo Jamila
Role model to young girls
Don't ever attempt to outshine your boss at any time, but who's nakhumicha
True very true . This is the mindsets of many Kenyan leaders thinking they climbed the ladder easily while they themselves knew they started low and now belittling those who start in the same positions. They will never understand the work of an intern giving them most of the works and others aren’t paid let alone be underpaid . This interns isn’t only applicable to doctors only but to all sectors
Someone should tag this CS
💯 ✅️ well put Jamilla!
While on the other hand finance & accounts interns earn between 10k-30k😢😢earth is hard..its high time we choose our careers wisely
Now that is what a well researcheed piece sounds like. Taking time to understand what you're talking about; unless the cheap bar talk that way the CS came with.
Well said Jamila....the truth shall set u free
Well done Madam keep it up take it again
As a mother to a medical student,I am calling to all mothers of doctors to join the doctors strikes.
Let's remind Moses Kuria's arrogance that the office he's sitting in belongs to the citizens of this land. Period. Enough is enough
Can you make a group we join ? Let's not forget to pray for them please.
Thanks jammy Someone tell some dude that interns are more essential than him
excellent piece!!!!
Absolutely, I could not have put this any better Jamila, this government has no respect for what is important to Kenyans, none at all....... priorities are misplaced and what really matters to our people has been thrown in the back seat, people are dying of floods because of shortcuts, healthcare is a mess and the list goes on and on, then these right here are the leaders we hope will get us out of these mess???? We are still in slumber land Kenya , God help us all
Wow,,,, well put
Thank you Jamila for setting the record straight. The overpaid sluggard will always yell incorrigibly against any attempt to recognize & fairly remunerate the underpaid & overworked labourers under his watch.
Loud and clear
They will never understand😢
Jamila, I don't know why you responded to Cs Kuria, he makes such utterances because he can, and surprisingly, he will never stop. Talking to a wall does not move it. Stop reading too much into the Cs words, you make him relevant.
Intern Doctors are employed as Management Trainee like all other Graduates in both Govt & Private sectors. Management Trainees are paid salary not stipend to students. The reason discrepancy in the salary is the nature of the work. It's long odd extraneous working hours with a lot of risk of contracting disease and abuse from the patients & relatives. Practicing medicine and surgery is both physically and mentally and psychologically demanding. Let us pay interns what they deserve. Our MTs salaries are also too low leading to corruption.
Thank you for highlighting what interns actually do. I was an intern, I was overworked, barely slept worked back to back 32 hour shifts, barely had any contact with my family during that period...was tired and depressed constantly. My heart broke when I saw him speak all that rubbish
i also wonder how small are other interns in other sectors?
What a Memo !! 🙌🙌👏
The interns run health facilities,I wish they are heard
Well said
JAMILA ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Well done..
Sad that they had money for Cuban doctors but not for their own Kenyan doctors.
Well put Jamila
You have done nice but you have forgotten that Pharmacist and dentist interns are also Doctors
What do you expect from somebody like him
At this point this country should be disbanded and everybody to go home😂
Now this is the Truth
Jamila keep that approach!
All the kenya Cs mp and senetors prays the presdent like their God and there is where they go wrong..
Then They shouldn't be called interns a new term needs to be coined to refer to them the word intern is the issue here
I am just curious? When interns are working this hard on shift where are the doctors?
Its like someone is absconding duties at the expense of intern just for the sake of getting licenced.
Interns should be demonstrating against that.
Painting an intern as the beast of burden is diverting as from the fact that somebody is sleeping at work.
Who knows when they are employed watalala pia and the same sorry of interns will continue.
This memo has a lot missing is it
Which doctors? They county only retain one or two. The two are insufficient to cover the entire hospital . So interns are the back bone of the public hospitals , they literally hold the hospitals in their hands .
Blame it on the governors who fail to employ doctors. Life after internship is hell for us because you can't get employment because our government cheaps out and decides to employ only few and pocket the rest of the money.
@@betsyrukia9749 just to be enlightened as you work this hard are the employed doctors at work.
@@beatricemaina575 how many times do you miss a doctor in public hospitals but are plenty in private practice. This is a joke
@@beatricemaina575 how come you meet the same guys in private practice, if the available workforce becomes accountable and responsible this will not be necessary
On point.
I feel like we try for once impeachment of the current regime and break the record...
Thank you, Jamila. How on earth fo you reducesomeons salary by 91% in other post like politics, increase at the same time.
Your memo is excellent, and Nuria is losing the argument. He won't last long in that office, he is a disaster to my country.
Shida ya democracy
This CS lacks intergrity. I said this when he was first appointed a CS. Surely a few months later, he was transfered as his boss realised the same in him. He has not changed much and continues to rant the same foolishness. Maskini akipata, matako hulia mbwata. This is true fir this CS.
Very true 👍
Kuria but a busybody whose reasoning is illogiacally driven.
The truth is Medicine is like any other career, and ministry of education should lower the course intake grade like any other country, doctors are overrated,
Mijinga!! Kumbaff
If medicine was like any other career you would be one, or any other person would be one, medicine is a career yes but it's a noble career.
Doctors are overrated because they earned it, the spend 6years of their youth to study medicine. I am even tired of explaining to you .
Just do this ,if it's like any other career ,go study it pay school feel worth 4 million as your fee wewe ata first year utarudia
If it's like any other career like yours... Why are you not one?
Moses kuria of the mguu choma is one of the most indisciplined and rigue cs Kenya has ever witnessed.
Doctors doesn't even work for 4hrs get statics right majority dodge out and go to do private things
Well, not the interns. They don't even qualify to have clinics during that one year. All they are qualified to do is to work in that particular hospital for hours on end, without break. Medical intens are there 24/7 even as the supposed doctors "dodge out" . Though I don't know how they dodge out yet they still manage to treat people and perform operation, deliveries etc. I guess those who treat those patients are imaginary doctors I guess.
ungesoma tuu bro upate A.i know inakuuma
@@factor14-l2fjuu mnataka pesa ya bure. Mtu akija hospitali anangoja wiki moja ndio amwone a real doctor whole you are in the private sector.
Are u normal ?u should go to public hospital and see you 're talking rubbish
Ukweli. Thats why the docs want interns to be well enumerated coz they are the ones that man the hospitals. The main doctors do few hours and leave. In summary the interns hold the public hospitals together and cover for the doctors absence 24/7
Moses Kuria is just an embarrassment.
Shame on him
Very true
In my country, medical interns are not paid😂😂😂😂😂
So now?💀💀🤔
This is Kenya 🇰🇪 and here we do things our way!
It's very sad that kuria is a Cs l? Like how come we reward such mediocrity 😢
Kuria talks when he is intoxicated with many things. When he is in his sober mind he is a very different person. This is the kind of leadership Kenyan elected. Wajinga nyinyi. 😂😂😂
CS kuria in your operation to belittle medical interns you safely managed to show us your ignorance levels😂 ant that the position you are holding is clearly in the wrong hands.
We are governed by idiots from the top... what do you expect 😂
Eti they have just done CATs. Hii upuzi hapana. He simply lacks basic manners.
Kuria u seem forget about u r feet 😕😕
Cut to size!
Mudomo wa kuria wataka majibu sawia na tabia yake malaya hii
💯👌🤛👊👏👍🙌
Wewe nyamaza watu wanakufa
There's nothing important Jemila is saying here. No need to pay an intern 206k.
In fact Kenya must come from a realization that as time goes by not all graduate doctors will be absorbed by the government.
All doctors were absorbed by the government because we had fewer graduates but as medical schools increase in number , we must now rethink. Only teachers and doctors were all absorbed but as trend continues they will become like any other profession. Hired on demand.
That is ok, but if hired let them be paid well. Nobody is forcing government to employ everybody
It's in Govt Hospitals that you have Consultants to learn from, supervise & consult. After one year you are competent to manage the patient alone. Thanks Kamila. At least you told them Drs have 2 Degrees. The others add a PhD next to be specific.
We are not telling the government to employ all doctors. We are saying post medical interns who it's a must for them to work before they get the licence to work without supervision
Go read who is a medical intern in Kenya
Uwache kuongea kama ambaye hakuenda shule.
Usijaribu Tena kujiembarass ivyo.
Read be informed !!!
Proganda TV
Kuria said the truth interns are not deserved coz they are not employed to be licensed doesn't mean salary
Did you not hear jamila? Yeye mwenyewe anasema that they've been given licenses from the first day of being an intern. They simply work to keep the license for that one year. The constitution considers them employees. Moses Kuria simply doesn't understand who the are.
He doesn't know that they've done all the main exams and actually graduated from the school of medicine. Anasema they are students yet they have no relationship with the university apart from being an alumni. Mtu amegraduate si student
@@madara5458Don't bother explaining to the fool who's lazy enough to do his own research to avoid displaying his ignorance for the masses to see.
@@madara5458you're think like an old man
@@alloicesidika5044 meaning?
Is it that you can't respond to my rhetoric so you respond with insults?
Besides, an old man sees farther on a chair than a young man on a tree.
Also, I'm probably younger than you so an advanced thought process is a compliment
You have the audacity to weigh into this matter of doctors vs government, yet you can't express yourself in proper English. Shame on you.