For me, Arrau’s interpretation is my absolute favorite., Whereas others choose to turn certain parts of this work into a mere technical showmanship, Arrau realizes that Liszt was past that point of his life when he composed this work, and that all of the virtuosic elements are to have musical effect and importance. The slower temple and the avoidance of frivolous technical display gives this performance a profundity that I simply haven’t seen from anyone. Every single moment and every single note has meaning and impact under Arrau. Where others might be tempted to just turn some of the more complicated sections into mindless virtuosity, Arrau avoids that and reveals the intent Liszt had behind every progression, every turn of phrase, every musical idea. This is amazing!
Lucky enough to hear Arrau play this in Dunedin New Zealand in 1974, I have the Philips recording of him playing it. I went to his hotel and he kindly autographed the record sleeve. His writing was big and b old like his playing.
Respectfully, Grynyuk's recording has a special place in my heart but I really appreciate how carefully and slowly Arrau plays the transition at 17:06 . I love how it sounds, and maybe part of me just loves it so much I wished it was longer- and thats what Arrau achieved by playing it slowly haha
old pianist but what's before ? more commercial than Genious : Arrau = Bolet discovered some years before theirs death , more money by DG or RCA than great Pianists of XXIEM Century
@Franco Saavedra Morelli clara Haskil was unknown during a long time , she's incomparable in Mozart as Lili Krauss ; Arrau Bolet were discovered by music Professional for money with Philipps DG ; mainly for R Bolet . Arrau is the question for me , some wonderfull recordings Diabelli Beethoven concertis with great sound it's a fact but he is not Y Nat not Kempff not W Backaus etc ...
Arrau has a huge sonority that never crosses into harshness like Horowitz sometimes does. Arrau seems to dig to the bottom of every note making each one sound like a bell.
Arrau's is the reference recording of this work, IMO. His glowing, rich tone is simply glorious and he brings emotional depth to the sonata which wasn't Liszt's strength.
Arrau was a student of a Liszt student,i cant remember his name. i think this is Magic.... i feel that conection. or im crazy. thanks.🤗🤗🤗 sorry my english suck...
@@joshuachan956 agreed, it is notorious for having issues, for serious musicians, I'd recommend henle and more specifically the Budapest edition for Liszt, Peter's will also do.
@@joshuachan956 Not that bad, it has some good ones such as Scarlatti and Liszt (the latter is good if you are a student and need guidance), the rest like Chopin and Bach etc. are pretty garbage though.
Argerich, Pollini, Zimmerman, Brendel and many others are the genuine predestined elects Orthodox interpreters of this very difficult transcendental Sonata, Chilean German trained Orthodox Arrau stands out as the prince and his teacher Kraus is a disciple of the Roman Catholic priest Franz Liszt..
Hum... very good indeed, but just trying Minoru Nojima's version. I think : at the very top (orchestral approach too). I just can't find another "better" (overall) interpretation. Everything is just... perfect (tempi, tones, virtuosity, emotion, construction...)...
Pretty sure you mean the phrasing. Arrau is pretty accurate when it comes to the Liszt sonata and correct phrasing. It’s very rare to hear the phrasing done correctly in recordings.
Jaillissement des eaux La passion sonore et simplicité Naturelle si on se laisse aller a l'ivresse des Dieux,sevrage de limpidité, tout petit et le grand iode
J don't like Martha Argerich but for me Lizst Sonata is the recording of Argerich ( 1970 ) because she is viril and feminine , very rare in piano historical .
You are correct. There are many great women pianists, but very few go beyond Chopin or Schumann. they play Liszt extremely rarely, little Tchaikovsky or Rachmaninoff.
This sonata is a big shapeless thing, as first judged by its destinatary, Clara Wieck-Schumann, who complained to a friend "and now, on top of it all I am gonna have to write a letter of thanks"... Poor Clara indeed.
I can understand very well Clara's comment. It is note rattling from beginning to end. Mostly Liszt managed to avoid kitsch but here he crossed the line.
Meanwhile, Clara Schumann is merely a footnote in history, while Liszt has become one of the most well-respected and beloved composers of all time, and this particular work is seen not only as his greatest work, but scholarly evidence reveals it as one of the most important works in all of classical music, and shows the impact it had on nearly every composer and classical music after it. What Liszt accomplished here was too great to be limited by the rigid shapes and symptoms of the past.
A lot of his output, especially his early to late youth, yes, but this sonata compositionally weak? With all its thematic exploration and transfiguration? One might say that he invented too much and explored too little, although many works have been changed over his lifetime and in most cases deepened. Listen to his late works then, or lets say Harmonies poétiques, they might make you see Liszt in a new light. It has been my experience so far, that of the romantic composers, Liszt and Schumann take the longest to really appreciate. I agree with Alfred Brendel, who said that with Liszt, if one is willing to search, one is able to find many works of deep meaningfulness.
@@7BI0Vx4 yeah he had some pretty harsh critics during the time but it’s a fact that there’s a lot of work in Liszt work and to call it compositionally weak isn’t true at all sure people are intitled to there opinion but if you’ve only listened to a bit of someone’s works and don’t understand someone work don’t call It compositionaly weak just say you don’t like it and move on honestly
A comment like "boring" always says more about the listener than about the piece. People usually feel bored by works that are far beyond their comprehension.
Just a reminder to please be civil in the comments. if you dont like liszts music then do something else its that simple.
There are people who like Liszt in general but don't care for the Sonata.
@@marksmith3947 ??? Then don’t watch the video??
@@jessicaeskebk5945 I didn't watch the video of course.
@@marksmith3947you would have had to tho
@@marksmith3947what is "Liszt in general" ?
For me, Arrau’s interpretation is my absolute favorite., Whereas others choose to turn certain parts of this work into a mere technical showmanship, Arrau realizes that Liszt was past that point of his life when he composed this work, and that all of the virtuosic elements are to have musical effect and importance. The slower temple and the avoidance of frivolous technical display gives this performance a profundity that I simply haven’t seen from anyone. Every single moment and every single note has meaning and impact under Arrau. Where others might be tempted to just turn some of the more complicated sections into mindless virtuosity, Arrau avoids that and reveals the intent Liszt had behind every progression, every turn of phrase, every musical idea. This is amazing!
I think I agree...
I've long admired Liszt's choice to end things in a dreamy sigh rather than the bravura he almost went with.
Actually, I heard many said the original ending for this piece was a fiery cadenza but Lizst ended up changing it to what it's known today...
@@Bruce.-Wayne that's what he originally commented
@@tyrrelllox7392 The original ending was meant to be bravura, though.
@@juliusseizure591 I know?
@@tyrrelllox7392 That the original ending was meant to be bravura?
Lucky enough to hear Arrau play this in Dunedin New Zealand in 1974, I have the Philips recording of him playing it. I went to his hotel and he kindly autographed the record sleeve. His writing was big and b old like his playing.
Respectfully, Grynyuk's recording has a special place in my heart but I really appreciate how carefully and slowly Arrau plays the transition at 17:06 . I love how it sounds, and maybe part of me just loves it so much I wished it was longer- and thats what Arrau achieved by playing it slowly haha
Absolutely agree. For me that is the emotional core of the piece and Arrau is the only pianist that, at least for me, captures the magic
Arrau was one of the greatest pianists ever.
No liszt was.
@@tyrrelllox7392 no u
@@exequielchuaqui5968 wow rude
old pianist but what's before ? more commercial than Genious : Arrau = Bolet discovered some years before theirs death , more money by DG or RCA than great Pianists of XXIEM Century
@Franco Saavedra Morelli clara Haskil was unknown during a long time , she's incomparable in Mozart as Lili Krauss ; Arrau Bolet were discovered by music Professional for money with Philipps DG ; mainly for R Bolet . Arrau is the question for me , some wonderfull recordings Diabelli Beethoven concertis with great sound it's a fact but he is not Y Nat not Kempff not W Backaus etc ...
Arrau has a huge sonority that never crosses into harshness like Horowitz sometimes does.
Arrau seems to dig to the bottom of every note making each one sound like a bell.
Arrau's is the reference recording of this work, IMO. His glowing, rich tone is simply glorious and he brings emotional depth to the sonata which wasn't Liszt's strength.
Extraordinary.
How to create an epic journey out of sparse material.
A magnificent and astonishing composition and performance.
Arrau was a student of a Liszt student,i cant remember his name.
i think this is Magic.... i feel that conection. or im crazy. thanks.🤗🤗🤗
sorry my english suck...
This is a unique masterpiece in history of Music.🔥🌹🔥🌹🔥🌹🔥🌹🔥🌹
What a master Liszt was
Lovely interpretation, one of the greatest sonatas ever written played so clearly with extreme accuracy. Thank you for sharing!
Sadly the score I picked is highly inaccurate! Hahaha.
You prefer Liszt or Haaland ?
What a checkpoint 3:23
Slow movt is incredibly beautiful. I always thought the first movt sounds like a silent film score.
It’s actually all one movement. But yes.
Okay It made me cry at some point but like it's so good and ahhh I can't stop listening to it🥺🥺
I consider if you can play this and other liszt songs, youve mastered the piano
Which songs ?
30:03 at 30:25 cold be the end here for real this is just so beatiful for during little time
Gorgeous
Simply outstanding.
sounds amazing 🎹🎹🎹🎹🎹🎹🎹👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
I LOVE this versión . I have un CD. Saludos!!
The Schirmer's Library is one of the best in classical music....love this version of this Monster Sonata
sorry to tell you but its the worst editor in classical music
@@joshuachan956 agreed, it is notorious for having issues, for serious musicians, I'd recommend henle and more specifically the Budapest edition for Liszt, Peter's will also do.
@@joshuachan956 Not that bad, it has some good ones such as Scarlatti and Liszt (the latter is good if you are a student and need guidance), the rest like Chopin and Bach etc. are pretty garbage though.
@@chrisy367 Wiener Urtext Edition is top !
Совсем кроха!👏👏👏 Браво Софии, браво педагогу Ирине!👏👏👏
9:29 😸кто кроха? Аррау или Лист?
Argerich, Pollini, Zimmerman, Brendel and many others are the genuine predestined elects Orthodox interpreters of this very difficult transcendental Sonata, Chilean German trained Orthodox Arrau stands out as the prince and his teacher Kraus is a disciple of the Roman Catholic priest Franz Liszt..
Excelente versión del gran Claudio Arrau ¿de qué año es? ¿Donde se hizo el registro? La verdad que es muy buena versión
1970.
17:05 every time. every single f time. 💔
🥲🥺
Hum... very good indeed, but just trying Minoru Nojima's version. I think : at the very top (orchestral approach too). I just can't find another "better" (overall) interpretation. Everything is just... perfect (tempi, tones, virtuosity, emotion, construction...)...
Ds toute sa noblesse de coeur
🙌🙌🙌grandiose 4:29
Innocence et Bravoure
One of my favorite liszt piece. Top tier among dante sonata, liebestraums, transcendental etudes, hungarian rhapsodies...
Amour veritable
Il y a tout ds l'amour
0:53 interesting rubato there? Personally would've preferred rubato free but it's an interesting approach
Pretty sure you mean the phrasing. Arrau is pretty accurate when it comes to the Liszt sonata and correct phrasing. It’s very rare to hear the phrasing done correctly in recordings.
@@jessicaeskebk5945 phrasing is kinda part of it but I was referring more to the fact he sped up near the end of each phrase
17:05 29:13
Le vraii jaillit
Jaillissement des eaux
La passion sonore et simplicité
Naturelle si on se laisse aller a l'ivresse des Dieux,sevrage de limpidité, tout petit et le grand iode
Tempetueux
En accord total
Orchestration inouïe du piano
Magnifiques photos de toi aussi et je pense que nous avons beaucoup apprécié les moments forts que vous allez nous rejoindre
Force et eaux, le roi du labyrinthe
J don't like Martha Argerich but for me Lizst Sonata is the recording of Argerich ( 1970 ) because she is viril and feminine , very rare in piano historical .
You are correct. There are many great women pianists, but very few go beyond Chopin or Schumann.
they play Liszt extremely rarely, little Tchaikovsky or Rachmaninoff.
Dieu des Dieux
This sonata is a big shapeless thing, as first judged by its destinatary, Clara Wieck-Schumann, who complained to a friend "and now, on top of it all I am gonna have to write a letter of thanks"... Poor Clara indeed.
I can understand very well Clara's comment. It is note rattling from beginning to end. Mostly Liszt managed to avoid kitsch but here he crossed the line.
Meanwhile, Clara Schumann is merely a footnote in history, while Liszt has become one of the most well-respected and beloved composers of all time, and this particular work is seen not only as his greatest work, but scholarly evidence reveals it as one of the most important works in all of classical music, and shows the impact it had on nearly every composer and classical music after it. What Liszt accomplished here was too great to be limited by the rigid shapes and symptoms of the past.
Clara Schumann was an idiot
Too fast intro
I’ll make it longer next time!
Merci a toi et tous ceux avec un gd cœur
Superbe enthousiasmes
Tout y est
yea exactely
I don't know why, but I cannot appreciate Litzt's music; it seems empty, vacuous technicality without expression and compositionally very weak.
A lot of his output, especially his early to late youth, yes, but this sonata compositionally weak? With all its thematic exploration and transfiguration? One might say that he invented too much and explored too little, although many works have been changed over his lifetime and in most cases deepened.
Listen to his late works then, or lets say Harmonies poétiques, they might make you see Liszt in a new light. It has been my experience so far, that of the romantic composers, Liszt and Schumann take the longest to really appreciate. I agree with Alfred Brendel, who said that with Liszt, if one is willing to search, one is able to find many works of deep meaningfulness.
Weak ?
What are you listening to that makes you think that cause that is a very insulting thing to say about Liszt
@@7BI0Vx4 yeah he had some pretty harsh critics during the time but it’s a fact that there’s a lot of work in Liszt work and to call it compositionally weak isn’t true at all sure people are intitled to there opinion but if you’ve only listened to a bit of someone’s works and don’t understand someone work don’t call
It compositionaly weak just say you don’t like it and move on honestly
@@graydusk1039
Right you are and very well said. I'm not very keen on Schoenberg, but I can't deny the skill in his music.
Boring!
Ok
That’s what Brahms said!
A comment like "boring" always says more about the listener than about the piece. People usually feel bored by works that are far beyond their comprehension.
@@MuzhiLiHe dared !
@@MuzhiLi
Well, Liszt had the last laugh, since this Sonata is played 100X more today than Brahms' Sonatas.