Was Pep or Messi the KEY to Barcelona's famous 2011 team? | The Football Show
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Dave Jones is joined by Jamie Redknapp, Jamie Carragher and author of the book Barça: The Making of the Greatest Team in the World - Graham Hunter. Graham offers an insight into the famous 2011 Barca team who dominated Manchester United in the Champions League final - and answers questions regarding who was more important to that team, Pep or Messi.
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This Barca team was perfection. The whole 2010-11 season was a footballing masterclass. And the best thing happened at the end when Xavi and Puyol gave the captain's armband to Abidal and let him lift the CL trophy first because he just had recovered from liver cancer and had surgery. More than a club!
@Poseidon Van Persie did something stupid and got deserved second yellow card. Still Barca had to score 2 goals after to go through.
Gareth messi got a few yellow cards in la liga for doing exactly what RVP did, especially during the 2008-2013 seasons.
@@frimers Yes he did something stupid kicking the ball away when he already had yellow card. It doesn't matter how many seconds it was after the whistle. There is favoritism when the card is deserved.
It doesn’t matter what decisions went against Arsenal Chelsea & Barca themselves as there is no denying Barcelona were the dogs bollocks for a good 5 year period 🤷🏼♂️ untouchable 👌🏻
Facts mate, sad to see them fell down real freaking hard lad
When Alex Ferguson says hes never got destroyed that much in a football match you know that Barcelona team was the best
The only team who ever destroyed man u is barca 2 di al lost in ucl 09-11
Could listen to Graham Hunter all day, articulates his points brilliantly
A voice as smooth as his bald head.
Was he talking about messi when he said he's miles and miles better than maradona or was he talking about pele
@@parodybamford705 messi is miles ahead of maradona he said.
Try listen to his terrible commentary
A clown to say Messi is miles better than Maradona. Still bitter about 1986.
Pep had the greatest midfield of all time, luis enrique had the best forward line of all time.. But both had the greatest player of all time!
The best forward of all time ? How about ronaldo roony and tevez and ronaldinho Thierry Henry messi thers so many great front 3
@@Travis015 Neymar suarez and messi were the best front three of all time.. No front three comes close what are you smokin
Abcdefg32 1 you clearly know nothing about football with that statement
How does no front three come close
Rivaldo , Ronaldinho and Ronaldo isn’t far off and same with the ones already mentioned
@@timothypeters6694 450 apps, 342 goals and 170 assists between the three in 3 years... They are the greatest front three of all time, do you even watch football, or understand it ya absolute clown
@@timothypeters6694 haha sorry 364 total goals.. Tevez rooney ronaldo in 2 years scored 140 goals.. Messi neymar and suarez scored 131 in a single season.. It takes a fool not to see they were the greatest 3 of all time and im glad i got to see them twice
They reached the pinnacle of football, I don’t care what anyone says.
Yea needed help from dodgy officials sending of van persie and pepe though
Ketan Patel
Barcelona absolutely dominated both of those sides before the red cards. It wouldn’t have made a difference. Hope that helps.
@@Slim-Clips they were losing vs arsenal mate with half an hour to go and pepe sending of changed the game." I hope that helps" if you cant see that I think you need help.
Ketan Patel
You won’t mention how Messi’s away goal was wrongly disallowed for offside. Hope that helps.
@@Slim-Clips why are you even arguing with this guy, he just follows the English media and argues about stuff that happened 10 years back
Pep Guardiola : I want to make him the best player , but he ended making me the best coach ... 🙃
🐐🐐
this guy knows his stuff
Yeah Graham Hunter is the oracle of Spanish football..So clued up it's frightening
Ray Hudson "take a look at this people, this is the art of human. Messi don't make defender's cry, he makes them wear diapers"
you are right. but it's defenders, no apostrophe
@@mariuspatru7 really?
@@RoyalBlue292 yep. there are just too many mistakes online man, just trying to make people be better, otherwise we'll be ok with anything and everybody ends up with low standards of everything - it starts from small adjustments like this bro. yes, it's not adjustment's
@@mariuspatru7 😂😂😂
@@mariuspatru7 😂😂
Pep was the door & Messi was the key.
UK STRAINS pep is a fraud he has always had it easy anyone could manage that Barca side
LarsHD yeah they would just look at that side
@@amanplayz518 deluded.
@LarsHD tbf I would like to see how pep would do without the money and players at his team.
unpopular opinion bob paisley and brian clough>pep and fergie
For me, mascherano is one of the most under rated players in the last 10 years.
He was a world class defender in his prime (in barcelona) for sure. He was rated 86 in fifa 12 and 13. Not bad. Obviously he wasnt prime thiago Silva or anything like that, because Thiago Silva is arguably the best defender of this time. But he is one of the more underrated players for sure.
@@fredrikdahl1230 lol
Fredrik Dahl Ramos is the best of this generation
Best ever footballing side, transcended the game. Poetry on the pitch
Some say it's Messi, some say it's Xavi and iniesta and others say it's down to Pep''s tactics and they all forget that it's a team game. So long are the days when football matches were won because of reliance on pure individuals skills.. the modern game everyone has to put the effort, so yeah they were equally important.
Y-unes Pynchonesky When this guy said he's miles and miles better than maradona, was he talking about messi or pele being better than maradona
@@parodybamford705 He was talking about Messi being better than Maradona
well said
I think in every winner team or who work out so well, it's always the coach the key because it will depend of him the way how the team plays
@@marcserra284 Yeah but the players execute it and first team coaches do their part too behind the scenes as well as sporting director, head of youth development, scouts, chairman...Everyone has to put the effort and be a part of a larger puzzle. Its a collaborative sport by definition. Its just Managers and players get the spotlight cause they're sexy in the eye of the public and are payed more.
I think with how Spain won the World Cup it’s fair to say that the rest of those players in Barcelona’s team where all top drawer players, however I do feel that Messi was the main reason Barcelona won all that they did. Messi was in his absolute prime back then, and it was a joke how good he was. The guy was completely unplayable..
Respect what your saying but messi didn’t have a prime. Nor he still doesn’t. In 2012 he scored 91 goals. Last season 18/19 was his most most most most complete ever. And this season he until the break completed double the dribbled he’s ever did. Double!! That being said messi was injured from summer this season all the way until December. And he also played 2 months in muscle discomfort because Barcelona only had 13 members from the first team available. It’s crazy.
SSH SZN Everyone has a prime or a peak, and Messi’s best year was without a doubt 2012. 91 goals he scored that year, his next best being 2010 when he scored 60.
The rest of his career he has generally been in the 50s. Still a ridiculous effort to score 50 goals in a season, so I’m not in any way trying to disrespect that, as even to this day I still think he is playing like one of the greatest players of all time. CR7 is the only other player in history who has consistently scored more than 50 a season, or in a calendar year.
So yeah Messi is still an amazing player today and deserved the Ballon Dor this year, but for me he is knowhere near as good as the player I seen in 2012. I have honestly never seen a player play aswell as Messi did that year, and I don’t think il ever see any player get to that level again.
The difference between Messi now and back then, was the electric acceleration and pace he had back then. As is to be expected with any footballer, you’re always gonna be slower once you hit you’re 30s.
It just shows how great he is though, that an ageing Messi can still be the best player in the world.
That’s not true what so ever. Not when the name is Leo Messi. Again if you ask every Barcelona fan whom watch him week in week out as I do, it’s virtually divided between last season being 18/19 and some who say the 91 goal a year messi. There’s also a Small minority who will also mention 2015. Messi is still in his prime and will be for a few more years. He’s the same way since 2015.
SSH SZN I watch Barcelona near enough every week, as they are on the tele every week. So no need to make assumptions that you watch every game and I don’t.
When Messi can score 91 goals in a calendar year, or even get close to that again, then il start changing my opinion that he is still at his peak. But for now il stick with my opinion.
MANUTD4LIFE171 Never made a assumption idk why you just got all in your feelings but if goals define peak for you so be it and like I said at the start I respect your opinion yet what messi did last year was the most a single person has done for any club. He’s been unfortunately carrying us since 2016 but last season was truly special. Just take a look at statistics or game play and maybe you’ll change your opinion. But either way I think we can agree on him being the greatest to ever play right?
As a Barca fan, it was Xavi Iniesta, Busquets - the insane midfield trident, our front three Pedro Villa and Messi's fluidic exploits, Puyol's leadership and Pep's masterful tactics. Everybody deserves credit not just Messi or Pep.
as a chelsea fan i have big respect for barcelona its history fans and legends
+ Alves
as an oldham athletic fan i have big respect for barcelona its history fans and legends
@@maisondav1d Yes, negligent to miss him.
That's the entire team, could've just said it was a joint effort
i to this day have never seen a more one sided final before, not in terms of score line, but in terms of outplaying the opposition. madrid can have their 3 in a row all they want, fact is, any non madrid deluded fan knows that barca 2011 are the GREATEST club side ever.
Greatest club side that couldn't win two UCLs in a row. Lol. They were helped by refs most of the time.
@@claudemakelele2856 On point man. Plus that 2015 Barca team blew nearly all their 2011 records off the water.
How an earth did Chelsea knock out the Barcelona team
@@kevin-pu2lx they were miles better but I guess karma is real.
100%. Madrid with the 3 in a row looks better on paper but that Barca side were the most dominant by a mile. Ridiculous team. They beat madrid in 2011 5-0 ffs and absolutely made them look like a league 2 side. Madrid were a top team themselves and had a prime Ronaldo Benzema ramos alonso Marcelo benzema etc
As a United fan, that was an amazing Manchester United team that won the prem and was 3 wins away from a treble. The Barcelona team were the best team of 2011, played beautiful football. One win away from a treble. Thrashed Morin real Madrid 5-0. Got to feel sorry for Manchester United, would of been bloodpool in Europe if it wasn't for the Barcelona side
That man united team was insane. 3 UCL finals in 4 years Is no child's play. United absolutely dominated 2008. And it was only Barça who could do that to united or to Mourinho's real. That Barça was stunning
@@GKkanth11 if Barcelona dominated Manchester United in the champions league final, I don't even know what they did to real Madrid
@@kevin-pu2lx true
@@kevin-pu2lx true united fan, thanks for telling the truth, although I like the 1999 treble team of united more than the 2008 one.
We were 3 wins away from a quadruple as well.
"I don't think we have ever seen or ever will see anything like Lionel Messi again. "
@Shaw FarrowThat's pretty much my point, but okay.
When this guy said he's miles and miles better than maradona, was he talking about messi or pele being better than maradona
@@parodybamford705 Messi but both far better than maradona
@@eireabu9486 lol....Messi the choker for Argentina.
@@claudemakelele2856 he can't do everything himself???
The team was loaded with talent, but the answer to the question as posed is G.O.A.T. _Messi,_ without whom the team would not have achieved as much.
I disagree, they would've won the same. Spain winning 3 tournaments in a row with barca core kind of reflects this
@@Sebpz8342 Pep hasn't been to a champions League final without Messi.
@@LeWacoKid barca hasn't been to a champions League final without xavi and iniesta
@@zirbto5749 in 2015 it was mostly MSN .. Xavi was a bench player(Rakitic was better than him) and Iniesta wasn't the Iniesta we saw till 2014
@@Sebpz8342 spain was boring, barely scoring any goals in the world cup they won; Messi made Barca score. International Quality was poor that year.
I’m a United fan and even I could appreciate how good Barcelona were in 2011. 2009 was a bit closer and don’t forget we beat Barcelona in the 2008 semi final. They certainly got their own back!! We deserved to win in 2008. 2009, we just didn’t turn up but if we had it could’ve gone either way. 2011 we got a football lesson.
I was so sad about what happened in Rome but years on watching that game I think we hade not as bad of game as it felt during that night. I love Ronaldo to bits but I really think he was way to turned on that night. There were at least 3 clear cut goal chances that would have been made by passing to Rooney overlap but he refused. In 2011 United were not as good and the Glazers ripping on its way. We did not replace Ronaldo and Tevez and you could argue the Barca team in Wembley was a slight bit better than the one in Rome.
Ismail Shojai totally agree with you.
@@isse93Z barca team in wembley was leagues better than the one in rome. The one in rome had a completely makeshift backline , an unexperienced busquets in his debut season and iniesta and henry were injured going into the game.
@@isse93Z Ronaldo dipped slightly in that season overall, he still scored some outrageous goals but wasn't quite as good. The stats in the 2009 final were very even, United even had 1 more shot on goal. We lacked a clinical side and sorely missed Fletcher who would have helped disrupt their midfield
@@philipeafroboy1 WOULF HAVE HELPED DISRUPT THEIR MIDFIELD.
You would want to do that to a team that is better than u.
Grahams classical Barca commentary gives me goosebumps. So many beautiful memories
Messi has always been the key, even back then in 2011 everything went through him. He was literally at the center of the attack. I mean just look at Messi’s UCL performances last season. If Barcelona didn’t bottle it at Anfield he could’ve easily won another UCL.
So messi did perform in anfield and he did in rome the year before and against juve losing 3-0 he also was good, messi in all These years had a great record in the group stages but not in the knockout round he like all the other players in Barcelona didn't perform. Barca didn't bottle it their captain lead them to bottle it. He is at fault for this like everyone Else.
Sarekulf look at the chances he created, he had one of the best match ratings at Anfield. He was the only one scoring and creating goals. That’s why he ended up as top scorer, most dribbles, most chances created and most player of the week awards.
@@thugalizer also messi performs if it isn't against the best Teams. Nowadays he doesn't play as good against good teams anymore. Also it doesn't help if your captain Drops his head like the Team at half time when you are down
Sarekulf loooool do you even watch Messi.. which ‘good’ teams doesn’t he play good against? 🤔 ..
@@thugalizer Roma, juve Real in the last years
Both were key lmao
@@ArgentineFootballfan1978 So do I
Best comment
When this guy said he's miles and miles better than maradona, was he talking about messi or pele being better than maradona
Pep, Xavi and Iniesta were way more important
@@parodybamford705 why are you so keen on that, they played in different eras
Pep was the key. he designed everything. he maximized what he had at his disposal. he introduced new methods. Awareness, anticipation and quick thinking; all these components were 'aroused'. it was like an orchestra. he redefined teamwork.
The Barca of 2009 was a newly discovered supersonic jet engine that had some flaws but the world has never seen anything like it before.. But the Barca of 2011 was the most efficient well oiled engine with some major upgrades. I guess the Barca of 2011 was the greatest club team of all time.
Xavi was the glue to Spanish/Barca dominance on club and international level from 2008 - 2012...it was Xavis pass that unlocked Germany defense in the 08 euro finals...it was Xavis pass that unlocked United defense for the first goals in the 09 and 11 UCL finals...
@@aa9179 yes but he assisted the second
What Ferguson achieved with Aberdeen was out of this world
PEP could never............
When this guy said he's miles and miles better than maradona, was he talking about messi or pele being better than maradona
@@parodybamford705 messi
Pinebro totally agree with you. A small club in Scotland beating the mighty Real Madrid in a European final. I don’t think that achievement gets the credit it should.
@@JohnAbraham-ft5go hey John I've missed you
Both/Everyone in that team. Pep is undeniably one of the greatest ever managers and Messi is maybe the greatest player ever.
There were many different factor's for that team's unparalleled success. Attributing that success to one "Key" factor is nonsense.
Messi is the greatest ever, not maybe. The stats don’t lie
@@teletubbypo318 Not at all the stats have Ronaldo with more career goals than Messi. Not to mention Messi's awful record at international level. To never win anything at international level makes it almost impossible to be considered the GOAT. Ronaldo has two major Trophies with Portugal and more with every other team he's played on. Messi on the other hand could never win in any team besides Barcelona
@@kalolfer2684 Ronaldo only has 35 more career goals than messi and messi has played less than 140 games than ronaldo. Messi is also Argentina’s top goal scorer and carried them to the finals on the international stage plus he was the tournaments best player 2014 and top assist provider 2010 and 2018 so to say he isn’t good at international stage is stupid really. Also the two trophies ronaldo has one he didn’t even play in the final and the other was a glorified friendly with like 4 teams
@@teletubbypo318 Ronaldo had other great International Tournaments as well but we only speak about the ones he won. That's why if Messi never won on the International Level it's hard to call him the GOAT. Ronaldo has also out scored Messi for two years now which is a testament to his longevity. Until Messi scores more than Ronaldo or wins with another team there's no way we can call him the GOAT
@@kalolfer2684 ronaldo only outscored messi last season? Look at goal:game, Ronaldo is the 2nd best player ever but messi scores as much as he can and he is the much better dribbler, more assists and all while playing mostly as a midfielder
for me barcelona from 2009-2013 was the best football team ive ever seen and messi from 2009 to 2015 ive never seen that quality of play from a foottball player he was on a whole another level
It's a mixture of both but you can't leave out xavi, iniesta and puyol players that were fundamental to peps success.
Greatest player to ever play the game. Should never be an or at the end of his name
What does Cristiano Ronaldo the greatest player to ever play the game have to do with this video? Please stay on topic
@@jamesmorgan1223 70 goals 138 games. If there not happy they never will be
@@lukejones5148 lost 3 copa America finals in a row 😂
@@gregory1347 penaldo you mean, he isn't even close
@@barcelonabarca1218 what does Roberto Soldado the Penaldo have to do with this? I know he's also a penalty queen like Penassi but I don't see what it has to do with this?
Barcelona won nothing in 2007 and 2008 before Guardiola came along.
They had a great foundation of players but Guardiola brought them to that level, he flicked the switch to turn them into the greatest team of all time.
Not the greatest but up there
Agree with Robert moore
There was no single “key”, they all fit together perfectly.
Xavi was the core.
You can replace any other player or manager (as long as it’s not a drastic change) and the system will still function. Puyol, Pique, Busquets, Iniesta, even Messi (the Spanish team were very successful in this era). Even managers like Rijkaard, Guardiola and Enrique (although their systems differed they still has success).
But the one irreplaceable component is Xavi.
Xavi IS tiki-taka. There is no coincidence that the rise and the fall of tiki-taka correlated to the heights and decline of Xavi (which happened due to age).
SpankMe Santa that’s the poetic way of looking at it but many could have replaced Xavi - if you had free pick. Pirlo, Xabi Alonso, Scholes etc.
Messi was irreplacable, not just for his goals but his link up play, his off the ball runs, his vision which had improved tenfold by 2010, let alone his assists and goals.
Really, to say Xavi was more key than Messi is an insult. He is quite simply the greatest footballer to have ever lived.
SpankMe Santa
Nobody could’ve scared teams like Messi did.
@@Slim-Clips Spanish team succeeded without him. So yeah, he was replaceable
Claude Makelele
The Spanish team was a mix of Barcelona and Real Madrid. They were also up against countries, not clubs. I see you everywhere, you have the brain of a sheep
2011 barca team just entertained the world this team had la masia players and also had world cup winners and euro winners nobody in the World could stop them they were just mesmerizing the opponents with their beautiful passsing whenever they lose the ball you could see them pressing high and regaining in few seconds currently no teams could do like that players like valdes,puyol,xavi, Iniesta, Busquets and messi will always be once in a lifetime players
People r sleeping over Xavi and Iniesta. If it wasnt for them two, Barca wouldnt have achieved what they achieved. Messi is the GOAT and without him Barca wouldnt be the Barca we saw during those great years but Xavi and Iniesta were equally as important to Barca.
I agree so much, when people say name a world class midfielder they most likely wouldn’t say xavi or iniesta but for me they were the best
@@eneat2521 lol who u askin
I made comment stating the exact same thing while also adding puyol to the mix
Dzaki everyone lol, they always say zidane, maradona or cruyff etc.
Dzaki it’s only cuz iniesta and xavi aren’t on Fifa that they think that
What about their incredible midfield and axis? Almost everyone in that team were in the prime of their careers, winning WC's and personal titles like it's nothing.
2008 - 2011 was Barcelona Era
2008-16.
I love Messi and Pep, but there is no right answer to this question, and if it was one, I would say Xavi and Iniesta because remember, they are the ones who took two Euros and a World Cup in between which is unprecendented in the same 2008-2012 period. And of course this Spanish team had some Real Madrid players, David Silva, Torres, Fabregas and so on, the core that made it click was exactly the same. But together it was perfection.
The whole squad actually, they were perfect
Xavi and Iniesta were the key. There's a reason why both Barcelona and the Spanish national team were steam rolling everyone and it was that midfield engine.
Redknapp - "that is some claim"lol did he see the football they played
As time passed, people realise how much dumb he is.
@@MyMili1234
*how dumb he is.
Not - how much dumb he is.
Redknapp ?
It was Dave Jones, the presenter.
Pep and Messi both play massive roles and will be the ones remembered, but Johan Cruyff is the godfather of all success Barcelona have had in recent times.
It’s worthwhile remembering, prior to Messi’s debut in 2004 Barcelona hadn’t won a league title for 6 years. Xavi and Iniesta were undoubtedly great players but they didn’t exactly dominate Spanish football and achieve anything that special prior to Messi coming along.
Messi obviously, what's crazy is Messi has played with the likes of Thierry Henry, zlatan ibrahimović, Ronaldinho, Suarez, Neymar, Xavi, Iniesta, griezmann coutinho, he was a beast for us at Liverpool, but they all look average next to Messi, no matter how good they are, they all come second to Messi, he really is the best player in the world, and the greatest player ever to live.
Henry is the real football god he floated with the ball at his feet it was pure art, Henry's the best for me of all time easy.
@LucasTorreiraisthegoat no he didn't lol, even Henry him self said he was in awe of Messi, look, anyone that know and loves football, knows that Messi is the greatest.
KTS the only ones who looked average were griezmann and coutinho, the rest showed their world class talent
@@sosolawson6587 Yes they was, but compared to Messi, they looked average, what I mean is, when Messi played with the lot I mentioned, Messi was always the best player on the pitch.
@4th Genna 😂😂😂 sorry bro, I have to respectfully respectfully disagree, the best player of all time is Jessie Jones a mixture of Phil Jones and Jessie lingard
It's really shameful how people never mention xavi and iniesta in this conversation. Those two won the world cup with their game. Neither messi nor pep have world cup medals in their cabinet and that says something.
Interesting though that Xavi wasnt even first choice in his mid twenties for the UCL final in 2006. Iniesta was also in his twenties and on the bench for that match...
Again with the WC stupidity? That Spain team had the core of 6 Barcelona players. Which was using the same tactics introduced by Pep. Yes, Xavi and Iniesta do need more limelight. but do not underestimate Messi and pep. Without them, that team wouldvé not achieved what they achieved. And as for Spain, even without Messi the rest of the teams weren't strong enough to beat them. UCL is the toughest comp in the world Not the WC.
@@TopHDToonZ It would be interesting to see what Barcelona would have done without Messi during the Pep reign. But equally what they would have done without Xavi&Iniesta. Its a close one. Messi clearly made things easier but who knows..without Xavi and Iniesta feeding the ball maybe it would be another case of how it is with Argentina for Messi. Its all hypothetical. All great players and a great manager.
@@mnb9162 That's probably because Xavi had come back from an injury so was on the bench, and Deco started at the time. trust me their importance predates Pep
@@SFNDMK Im a big fan of Xavi, just interesting how it was actually under Pep that Xavi and Iniesta really went to another level.
I would say pep.. He is the one who rearranged the playing style. He is actually the one who unleash xavi and Iniesta. Interms of players, xavi and iniesta are the two most important players and pep is the one responsibility for vitializing them.
pep only of the greatest managers of all time he revolutionized the game he turn barcelona into one of the greatest club sides of all time i still don't know why people disrespect him and call him a fraud
Keyuante Johnson Yeah but he has managed to Barcelona Munich and city
Where’s stoke
This discussion is like trying to put an “i” in “team”
This is the reason why I only watch Barcelona and really proud to be in fun of Barcelona one love all the way from somalia 🇸🇴❤️🇸🇴❤️🇸🇴❤️🇸🇴
the diamond of busquest_ xavi, iniesta_ messi with villa and pedro out wide. you wonder howgood they are
In terms of results that Pep team was unbelievable. In terms of entertainment the Frank Rijkaard all day. I was more mesmerised by Rijkaard’s team. Pep just wanted to monopolise possession. A decent team that knows how to defend and counter-attack with fast players who are clinical in front of goal could beat that team. Tbh if you take out Messi it’s a typical Spanish team with a solid midfield.
its absoutley criminal how people sleep on what Rijkaard did at Barcelona. A lot of people sleep on the fact that he played a key part in Ineista and Messi before Pep came in
For me that was the best football gameplay of all time, best team of all time
I agree they simply dominated every team. I would do anything to watch them live again
2011 barcelona was amazing. love watching that team
It's all about Messi. Pep has been trying for 9 years to win the CL without Messi and he can't do it. Messi, Xavi, Iniesta were unbelievable.
And Messi has struggled to even get close to a UCL trophy since Iniesta and Xavi left
so where is messi’s ucl trophy now ?
2015?
they should have 4/4 champions league those years
True. From 2009 till 2012 they deserved every champions league.
Exactly, 2 trebles as well. 2011 should have been a treble
It was the complete package, not just messi. I really do appreciate everything messi has done for the sport, but as Great as he is, that Barca team was perfectly made for him. I’d love to see Messi come out his comfort zone and play in the prem, that’s the only thing missing for me! But just my opinion of course
LOL, that tired old line “I’d Ioved to see Messi...play in the prem...”.
kindface people say it, cos it’s a well thought and valid opinion..
@@LouisHolliman Only if you would like to see him there for the sake of it, but not if you think that "he needs to prove himself"
@@LouisHolliman prem? He was destroying prem teams in 2019 UCL single handedly without Iniesta or Xavi and he has done this throughout his career. The best player ever against real Madrid doesn't even need to play prem teams
Would a team with Iniesta, Xavi and Messi have won titles regardless of the coach? YES! Even my dog would've managed that Barca and have won things and I don't even have a dog lol. The real question is: would someone else have made them play the way they did and bring up the utmost of those players potential? NO! Put Mourinho, Ancelotti, Benitez or any other top manager at the time and they would make that team a winning machine (each in their own style), but only Pep could make the Catalunia team play total football. He had the guts to bench YYT for a young Busquets and to sell Etoo (didn't agree at the time), it's true that buying Ibra was a mistake but he corrected that by signing Villa (the best Spanish striker I've seen play). The guy beat Sir Alex Ferguson TWICE! People may critize him for his choice of clubes to manage but you can't deny his ability as a coach. Tiki-taka only worked because of the players chacteristics and skill but it also only worked because Pep USED the system. Last, I'd like to point out once again how important it was to make Busquets a starter in tha team, people tend to leave him out when mentioning Barca's success, wish he could get more recognition.
@ I think you are the one who needs to settle down if you got triggered by the lenght of a comment. Wish you get better from whatever happened to you.
@ this is the most sane explaination out here
I said it then and I stand by it now, that is the best football side ever to play. Simple
I remember that final in 2011 so well never seen sir Alex shake so much
I really appreciate you doing this and I admire your videos. You inspire me to be a footballer.
When I started watching football, i thought CWC was the real deal with the thought of among the world. Although instanbul was an emotional night, It was a heartbreak losing cwc in 2006 coz we've never won it before too. Crouchy to this day had not get over Rafa for not starting him in the final
At this day, i dont care abt cwc anymore , dont even wanna bother going. Still remember last 2 years, EPL refused to arrange a date for us unlike city now, we had to field 2 teams on the same day to play both villa and flamengo
the main reasons for barcas success… the group (base layed by rijkaard) with iniesta, xavi, busquets, villa, puyol (and many others) and the once i a lifetime talent of messi was unique… and guardiola is a football-nerd… back then the other coaches had no idea how to handle his tactics…
Messi took barcelona to the next level. Once in a life time players
Xavi and iniesta were. Messi was surrounded by Spain’s 2010 World Cup winning team.
Great era greatest club team ever.. But if you dont see that messi was and has always been the top star in every managers team then you are simply a fool.. Pep, xavi and iniesta have said messi is the greatest in history.. But clowns like you try there hardest not to accept it and will do any thing to put him down
@@abcdefg3214 the same Messi who can't get near a UCL trophy since Iniesta and Xavi left.
Interesting though that Xavi wasnt even first choice in his mid twenties for the UCL final in 2006. Iniesta was also in his twenties and on the bench for that match...
@@claudemakelele2856 so your another tit, that blames messi for Barcelona falling apart against roma or Liverpool... I D dnt know it was a 1 vs 11 sport... Messi isnt a defender a midfielder a striker a manager all rolled into 1... That ridiculous childish comment you made there makes people who actually understand the sport laugh at you. Very primitive immature way of thinking about the sport
@@abcdefg3214 but Messi was the key and most important player of the Pep Barcelona...right? I thought it was a team sport as you said. According to your comment this whole video is wrong..right?
There is never going to another einstein, hawking's, Mozart, Shakespeare, and Messi.
I think Xavi & Iniesta were just as important as Messi or Pep
They were without a doubt the best team in the world and I believe the greatest of all time. Pep at Barcelona was something special
Both of them. The TEAM was playing probably the highest level of football, and you need a coach to do that. Talent helps too, but you need the guy to put things in order and that guy was Pep.
Messi was a diamond in the rough and Pep was the jeweler that gave him the right treatment which made him shine brightly.
Pep was key for Iniesta. He wasn't really played a lot in centre midfield before Pep came. Just before Pep was coach Guilem actually described Iniesta as the perfect Sub. The perfect number 12. He wasn't first choice. Neither was Xavi until he was 25/26 years old. They flourished with Pep as coach. Same with Messi. He wasnt played centrally that much if at all until Pep came.
Answer is easy. The players made it easier for Pep. Look at how Pep transformed City without Messi, xavi, inesta etc etc and look at Barcelona now
Pep was the key. In 2008, before Pep became manager, Man United were able to beat Barca 1-0 across both the legs. But in 2009, and 2011, Barca suddenly became unrecognisably good!!
Sorry to be that person Sky but ‘incite’ in your description should be ‘insight’. Great video though!
They've now changed it boss.
BabsW I can sleep easy now, thank you :-)
Was waiting on Rednapp saying;
"yeah, but why didn't they ever give a British manager a go??"
"listen, we all know they were a great team but could they have done it at Stoke? I don't think so and Pep has proven that this year"
"What about Spurs??? When my dad was in charge they played some of the best football around"
No one came close to that team and no one comes close to Lionel
Haven’t watched the video but I can tell you it was both.
When he said he is miles miles better than maradona, was he talking about pele being better than maradona or messi being better than maradona
In the 11/12 season he bagged 73 goals. That.... is just ridiculous. Like stupid. He is the greatest in my eyes.
was nowhere to been seen in 2012 champions league semifinals against chelsea
@@keyuantejohnson6266 So that makes a 73 goal season poor or what? I'm not sure what you're getting at.
And what good did that do for Barcelona?? Yeah only the cdr
This was the perfect football team at the peak of there powers (2011) - would have beat any team imo.
Honestly think you could have put ian holloway in charge and the trophies would have still flowed
Players like suarez coutinho Griezmam Neymar are so far behind Messi its ridiculous. He’s so many levels above everyone else. Last year against Liverpool, it was a one man team. Suarez and coutinho were a shambles in those matches. Messi puts it on a plate for these guys and they fluff it. LIONEL MESSI is a one man team especially now. The greatest the world has ever seen and ever will see probably.
5 :00 said the right thing....
Pep was the key messi was the door ‼️🔐🏃🏻😌
Sure whatever u think
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@@kashrahman1826 nope because neither were the cause
Éire Abú OK budd
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Is both the reason why Barcelona was so great is cuz they have the best manager who knows Barcelona chemistry well
yess Pep and Cruyff were 100% barca
Still have not seen a team like this since then.
I’m not saying that Pep is not a good manager. But a manager is only as good to a certain degree as the players at his disposal are. Look at his first season at City. That is the only time he hasn’t had the best players domestically, and it is the only time he hadn’t won a trophy. Messi, along with Xavi & Iniesta, would have succeeded regardless of who was in the dug out. They proved it both sides of Pep’s time there.
MIX deserve the credit, they won UCL 2015 without Pep, but Pep never won UCL without MIX.
Messi’s won a European Cup without Pep. Pep has not without Messi
@NAATH KABOOTREE Xavi hasn't won a CL without Messi. This narrative needs to stop. Xavi was a bench warmer in 2015 when they won the Champions League his last season. Besides they've played together for 11 years.
Well Barca had Half of the spanish World Cup champions at there side....Xavi, inesta, puyol, Gerad, David Villa and they had Messi who was in his Prime year's......so there no stopping them
It's in different way my bro..spain have half of the la masia aducated (actully pep aducated players )
Pep came with his new tactics, brought Buquests, turned Xavi from average to excellent.
But Iniesta and of course Messi were just too good with or without pep.
It was a mix of perfect timing, signings, and manager's vision.
Luis Enrique's Barcelona was better tho.
People still forget this Barca side were a toe-poke from Bendtner from being knocked out well before Wembley, in the RO16. Not to mention the absurd Van Persie sending off.
Lionel Messi has been and always will be the greatest player of all time. If you think otherwise, you really do not know football.
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What, so it's wrong to have a different opinion?
Better than Brazil Ronaldo? More talented than Ronaldinho? More influential than Zidane for club and country? Messi is without doubt the GOAT statistically but I don’t think he’s more talented than the three players I just mentioned.
To put into context Gerd Muller had a better goal contribution than Pele and Cruyff but no one mentions him as an all time great.
@@NateDogg8870 I agree exactly, but Zidane was always there for his country, but if you watched him play throughout his club career he was inconsistent...
@@NateDogg8870 WHAT????????? you need to lay off the drugs mate. Did you just say he did't have the talent of those guys?? WHAT WHAT WHAT hahahahaha
Definitely the best club team ever.
Messi was the best player in the world, scoring, assisting and playmaking, and scored in 2 finals. He was the key.
The key, I’ve always believed, was Busquets.
And alves the two most underrated players
There was no one key, it was everyone.
Basically everyone
Brilliant description 👌
Barca 2008-09 was also great...6 trophies in one year...after selling their main man Ronaldinho...
Why does Pep get so much credit when they stole the CL against Chelsea in 2009 and Luís Enrique won every trophy in a season too with Barca in 2015. But what Pep did in 2011 seems to get more praise than anything. Don’t get me wrong it was a great team but every great team does it over a period of years which that Barca team didn’t do under Pep...
8 Ballon’s says Messi
Pep needed a billion dollars and a lot of years to win a CL without him
Neither. Iniesta and Xavi were. The best partnership in football history the chemistry was unparalleled. That is why 08-11 Barca was the best team ever.
Yes but you need a conductor to put everything together again and that was Pep.
Because Xavi and Iniesta were there before ans they underachieved season before…
Pep arrived and pulled all the right strings getting rid of Ronaldinho, promoting Messi to be a main star and injecting Cryuff’s vision back at Camp Nou.
Yes without Xavi & Iniesta that would be not possible… but every puzzle just matched perfectly since Pep arrived.
From 2008-2012 Spain dominated the world without Messi you guys are not giving any credit to the greatness of that midfield , and most players played for Barca . Their success was was there because most players were of their academy they played together from their youth so they know ones weakness and greatness I would say Messi was lucky to be honest even though he's great he's the cherry for that already magnificent cake
Bang on Graham!
Messi was the key, everyone else was the key hole to greatness.