Long Range Shooting Myths

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    In this Episode from Tac TV Season 2, Walt Wilkinson joins Larry to debunk some long range shooting myths.
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  • @TheJttv
    @TheJttv 8 ปีที่แล้ว +789

    when even i hear about long range kill/hit im always more impressed with the ability to find the dam target in the first place

    • @CEdgar1218
      @CEdgar1218 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jttv ÿ

    • @user-gi1yv2jz8w
      @user-gi1yv2jz8w 6 ปีที่แล้ว +75

      that's the hole point. The superior sniper, is not the one who shoots more accurate, because all of them are sharpshooters. The superior sniper, is the one who can hide more effective, and is capable to be the first one to find his enemy's position. The other one, is simply dead. . .

    • @HanSolo__
      @HanSolo__ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I tried some long-range shooting. I'm no newbie with a rifle but I found it as a "pure luck competition" for me and my skills.

    • @jonboy9734
      @jonboy9734 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      MrKansai1 teghe me too buddy me too lol. Past 200 yards I’m not very good. But I use a red dot with a 3x flip up magnifier, not really meant for long range.

    • @fuller1883
      @fuller1883 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@user-gi1yv2jz8w that's why Simo Hayaha was such a good sniper. He was a good shot dont get me wrong but it was his ability to remain hidden in his environment that made him so scary, He was truly a master of concealment.

  • @Sherman62
    @Sherman62 5 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    One myth specifically called out was the need for sub-MOA precision. Tactical shooting does not typically involve extremely small targets.

  • @rampant_reptile1125
    @rampant_reptile1125 8 ปีที่แล้ว +714

    I am gen-u-wine-ly impressed. But didn't notice any myths debunked.....

    • @Deadlyaztec27
      @Deadlyaztec27 8 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I was going to comment both sentences lol

    • @CamoNammo
      @CamoNammo 7 ปีที่แล้ว +68

      The only myth I can see that was debunked is suppressors decrease velocity.

    • @astondriver
      @astondriver 7 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      my suppressor on 270win gives me 50fps increase.

    • @CamoNammo
      @CamoNammo 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      astondriver Exactly!

    • @LightTackleEthusiast
      @LightTackleEthusiast 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Shawn Gates How does 8mm mauser hold up to 1000 yard shots

  • @joecave8527
    @joecave8527 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I did 10yrs as a USMC recon Marine and I attended SSS and this video is really something that every long range shooter or starter to long range shooting should watch.

  • @timhallas4275
    @timhallas4275 5 ปีที่แล้ว +116

    I know a guy, who knows a guy who hit a Jackrabbit at 2000 yards, from the back of galloping rhino, with no scope.

    • @richardperry4115
      @richardperry4115 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I know him as well 😂

    • @timhallas4275
      @timhallas4275 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@richardperry4115 : I think he also found Noah's ark, and the lost city of Atlantis that same year.

    • @rokman5000
      @rokman5000 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      But did he jump and do a 360?

    • @timhallas4275
      @timhallas4275 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@rokman5000 Maybe...

    • @MidnightRangeTM
      @MidnightRangeTM 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I know a guy who heard about hearing about that guy

  • @rajinbin
    @rajinbin 5 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    The spotter is a monster, he's got some sick skills and is a master of his world. If you run a long range gun you need this guy's training.

    • @andrewlongfield3102
      @andrewlongfield3102 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @rajinbin You are spot on there, F the rest of the video, not much new there, but the spotter is spot on, if you'll forgive the pun. I nearly bought one of those Steyr 50 cals years ago, when they were the only 50 you could buy in Australia (bolt action). Wasn't sure how good the bull pup would be on a 50, plus of course the price. 8 and a half grand, when an Armalite fifty bolt gun was 2 thou.

  • @spookypunky
    @spookypunky 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I'm shocked at how much Math is involved in shooting at long distances. I had an Algebra class with an Army sniper team guy. He was QUICK. He just sai: "I just do this shit all day long." Amazing skill set.

  • @doyle201206
    @doyle201206 7 ปีที่แล้ว +539

    You didn't mention which shop you got your toothpaste from.

    • @jvengence
      @jvengence 6 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Or if it was free like the rest of the product used here.

    • @rigogarcia9798
      @rigogarcia9798 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Lmfao😂😂

    • @citadelgrad87
      @citadelgrad87 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      doyle201206 yeah, ballers like you just suck it up and write a check and don’t worry about crediting the shop. Nothing wrong with sponsorship. I couldn’t justify buying that, but if someone said I will hand you one if you mention it in a video, how is that wrong?

    • @SomeJustice19k
      @SomeJustice19k 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Bud's

    • @joshidleman22
      @joshidleman22 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@SomeJustice19k you beat me to it by 6 months lmao

  • @bobthe5550
    @bobthe5550 8 ปีที่แล้ว +570

    this isn't a video, it's a 17 minute product placement commercial

    • @spookypunky
      @spookypunky 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Pretty much what he does

    • @cams7267
      @cams7267 6 ปีที่แล้ว +67

      Jeremiah Nilsson......he's ex Delta....something im sure youve not even thought about attempting. Show some respect

    • @stevenonyemaobi3863
      @stevenonyemaobi3863 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      lol

    • @machinenkanone9358
      @machinenkanone9358 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Just about all of life is designed to enhance your consumer experience. Larry is a hero. He's spend years in special forces. Nobody should diss the guy.

    • @kevincowart542
      @kevincowart542 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@jeremiahnilsson7373 .. He also performs his sex in cadence...

  • @lucascaruthers5546
    @lucascaruthers5546 8 ปีที่แล้ว +268

    So, to put everything wrong with this video in a nutshell
    -Title suggests something that the video content lacks entirely
    -Holy product placement, Batman
    -20" Barrel on a rifle chambered in .338LM cannot be taken seriously, despite the pricetag
    -Larry needs a spotter to sight in a rifle at 100yds and still can't manage to pull off a decent group
    Did I miss anything?

    • @treynathaniel4075
      @treynathaniel4075 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Need is not the same as used. Decent group? Says the cod player. It's an excerpt from an entire show you fucking momo.

    • @sharkbite326gaming
      @sharkbite326gaming 5 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      The fact that his bipod placement is shit.... still has like 5 inches of space to the end of his rail lol

    • @ccw22lr
      @ccw22lr 5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      .5 mil low at 880 with a 338LM. Unacceptable. Neither of these guys impress me

    • @mexifry222
      @mexifry222 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Larry is a badass but criticism from time to time is healthy.

    • @x808drifter
      @x808drifter 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Did save me wasting my time on a BD video.
      TY👍🏻

  • @wymple09
    @wymple09 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Let's not forget that the spotter is a world class shooter, world champion as well. They are busting the myth of tiny groups at very long ranges. Rare and somewhat lucky.

  • @GamePhysics
    @GamePhysics 8 ปีที่แล้ว +620

    I didn't see any myths debunked. Anyone care to explain?

    • @akumarisu
      @akumarisu 8 ปีที่แล้ว +59

      +GamePhysics I think it was about whether the suppressor reduced rifles effective range or not.

    • @GamePhysics
      @GamePhysics 8 ปีที่แล้ว +64

      akumarisu But they never said that that was a myth and that they would test that.

    • @GamePhysics
      @GamePhysics 8 ปีที่แล้ว +115

      ***** Yupp. Bullshit video.

    • @jTech50
      @jTech50 8 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      +GamePhysics basically, common sense would dictate that the suppressor lowers bullet velocity, and in turn range. but in this case, because the ranges are so great, and the ammunition is not subsonic in the first place, the additional barrel length from the suppressor actually gave the rifle about another 100 meters of range.

    • @GamePhysics
      @GamePhysics 8 ปีที่แล้ว +68

      SERAPHlM No.. Common sense would dictate that it does increase velocity. The gas has more time to push the bullet.

  • @killabee-2384
    @killabee-2384 7 ปีที่แล้ว +202

    You didn't really debunk any myths or even talk about any like at all lol.

    • @jaybee6318
      @jaybee6318 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      As it turns out, if you know nothing about rifles, you know nothing of the "myths" he was referring to. It is a common misconception (perpetuated by video games) that a suppressor will reduce distance and velocity. This video proved both myths wrong. Both distance and velocity are actually increased. Also, he specifically mentions the "myth" of the sub-moa group; that just because someone shoots a sub-moa group doesn't mean they have a sub-moa rifle and that a 1/4" group doesn't carry out to any distance. A 1" group at 100 yds. is amplified to a 15" group at 1,500 yds. TH-cam is not a replacement for qualified instruction and should only be used as a supplement to enhance your pre-existing knowledge of a particular subject.

    • @Pat4ever.
      @Pat4ever. 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It's a stupid argument anyway because the general implication is you're using subsonic AMMO alongside a suppressor which therefore lowers your velocity.

    • @DavidHarris-jy4pp
      @DavidHarris-jy4pp 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep, I'm one of the guys that didn't know about this myth (kind of assumed it to be honest), and was very surprised he had better performance with it being suppressed. Now I know!

    • @viciousKev
      @viciousKev 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      7:29 he doesn't have to have a point when these tits can sell anything

  • @ACEGAMER120
    @ACEGAMER120 4 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    For those of you who missed the myths he debunked, they were:
    1. Shooting a sub-MOA group automatically means you have a sub-MOA rifle
    2. A sub-MOA rifle is necessary for long range shooting
    3. Suppressors decrease bullet velocity

    • @ACEGAMER120
      @ACEGAMER120 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Charles Lindberg While the inventor did coin the invention a "silencer", that would only apply as a name to that specific item he marketed and sold. The item in general sold by numerous other companies and different models is correctly referred to as a "suppressor" as they almost never manage to silence the report of a firearm but are only able to suppress it. This is a decision agreed upon by firearm experts all over the world.
      Everything else you've stated is entirely missing the point and context of the myths he stated in the video

    • @ACEGAMER120
      @ACEGAMER120 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Charles Lindberg Suppose that goes to show you can be an operator and still be a dumbass in terms of firearms 🙄 Your argument is that a single company wrote an article. The GOVERNMENT who is notorious for mislabeling items when it comes to the subject of firearms. Wikipedia which is a mixed bag facts and fables. Your argument is a joke. But if you insist on arguing with the decisions and statements of actual firearms experts across the world instead of ACTUALLY educating yourself, go for it 👍

    • @Ranstone
      @Ranstone 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Charles Lindberg
      No, no and no. In no universe is it referred to as a "Silencer", outside of libtard jurisdiction.
      You people are the most cringiest POGs I've ever witnessed.

    • @lucuix9901
      @lucuix9901 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Charles Lindberg a Can doesn't silence gun noise. It suppresses it. Silencer is just the term the feds chose to characterize it because that was the name on the patent. It is a suppressor.

    • @Pat4ever.
      @Pat4ever. 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Right but people shooting with a suppressor often will use subsonic ammo, which does decrease bullet velocity and range. So it wasn’t a myth about the suppressor itself. They didn’t even address this in the video.

  • @Vicarium
    @Vicarium 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another *great* video...quickly becoming my favorite channel if nothing else for the production quality! Good info, straight forward delivery...can't ask for much more than that.

  • @prichards5113
    @prichards5113 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Outstanding advice on MOA accuracy and expectation management; gold.

  • @zacthegunguy899
    @zacthegunguy899 8 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Wow man, Walt what a great dude.

  • @limitless1692
    @limitless1692 7 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    Myths which myths ? are you talking about ?

  • @kevintaylor5715
    @kevintaylor5715 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Larry is finally, and deservedly, starting to get more views. Keep up the fantastic work, sir.

  • @duanediablo5607
    @duanediablo5607 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Well I'm impressed. 20 inch 338 Lapua Mag reach 1500 yds at 1 moa. I think everyone is missing what spin and weather conditions do to a bullet at that range. Good video. Thanks

  • @Spartan536
    @Spartan536 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Thank you so much for making this video, this will help me explain long range shooting to ArmA players and should help me get them past some of the most common misconceptions about ballistics in general.

  • @justincredubil
    @justincredubil ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Silly me...I thought this video was going to be about long range shooting myths...

  • @geraldwest3428
    @geraldwest3428 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for sharing a window into some fun looking shooting. Thumbs up!

  • @therock809
    @therock809 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Phenomenal video Larry. Keep it up dude.

  • @1911Drew
    @1911Drew 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This has to be one of your best videos Larry! Thank you for putting it up. Nothing against your first attempt last year, but Gunsite and their instructors are some of the best on the planet. Performing at those distances require a "system" of sorts - having a second person who is very experienced as your spotter/ballistics dude really helps.

  • @Liemciemdk89
    @Liemciemdk89 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Really wanted to see the 50 bmg in action

  • @MrLeicamaster
    @MrLeicamaster 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    What a great episode! Thanks so much!

  • @kelbo
    @kelbo 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video Larry, more long range stuff please!

  • @TexanUSMC8089
    @TexanUSMC8089 8 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    That's an awesome gun, but those shots were incredible. Most of us could take that same gun and not make those shots. People can laugh if they want, but when I hit a 12 inch target at 500 i'm happy.

    • @shaggycar1
      @shaggycar1 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      +TexanUSMC8089 Makes me smile when i hit a pop can at 700 three times in a row.

    • @MadRS
      @MadRS 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Happy with a 12 inch plate at 500?? That's just plinking.

    • @coltiscoolify
      @coltiscoolify 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Chris Pellatt I was about to say with a lapua you can probably hit that even out past a grand reliably if you had a longer barrel.

    • @phillhuddleston9445
      @phillhuddleston9445 6 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      I'd be happy to find a range past 200 yards within 100 miles of my house, too hilly and too many trees.

    • @klevee6076
      @klevee6076 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      TexanUSMC8089 those shots weren’t “incredible”. Heck in 2 months of going to the range every second weekend I’ve taught myself to hit a milk jug at 1000 meters with a 243.
      I taught myself to do load development based on what I researched from many sources,then learned about ballistics and drop,load tuning and with that 243,and many other cartridges as well.
      My 260 will run 1400 meters before it drops subsonic,making 24” gongs easy.
      Anyone can do it as long as they are consistent.

  • @0hioboy
    @0hioboy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Much respect from Ohio. Thanks for your service men.

  • @vulcanez
    @vulcanez 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Larry, love the channel and vids. Keep up the outstanding content.

  • @TJackSurvival
    @TJackSurvival 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well that's some good stuff. I subscribed. And great editing.

  • @j.a.martinez4001
    @j.a.martinez4001 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    14:44
    “ I am Gen-You-ine-a-lly impressed.” Lol that made me laugh! 😂

  • @vyshemirsky
    @vyshemirsky 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Why use a 20" barrel when shooting long range? Wouldn't a Palma rifle with a 30" barrel give you significantly higher speeds?

    • @TheBardicDruid
      @TheBardicDruid 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      +vyshemirsky Just a 26" barrel would have given him 1 mile.

    • @tyronekim3506
      @tyronekim3506 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly my thoughts.

  • @nightfury6836
    @nightfury6836 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow!!! What an awesome video!! You guys did an awesome job on this.

  • @MrPaulpithers
    @MrPaulpithers 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i really enjoyed this Thank you very much . from the UK

  • @SUPERMAN-yu2tm
    @SUPERMAN-yu2tm 8 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    Larry keep it up in the gym man..you're killin it

    • @4jai2brons0n
      @4jai2brons0n 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      SUPERMAN I bet LAV is killing it in the gym, but this video is a few years old.

    • @tn_bluestem
      @tn_bluestem 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      +SUPERMAN He's lucky not to be crippled

    • @rasco81
      @rasco81 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Man this Larry guy wants to talk the talk so bad. Mister Serious face would shit bricks first hiss over his head.
      Just waiting for him to start saying “outstanding” “tactical”

    • @2ndAveScents
      @2ndAveScents 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This Larry guy is former Delta. You bet your ass he has said outstanding and tactical more times than you can imagine.

    • @spookypunky
      @spookypunky 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good one. Maybe he has chronic pain and it hurts to work out? Who knows

  • @troyreynolds4520
    @troyreynolds4520 8 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    Why a long range cartridge like the 338 Lapua Magnum and use a short barrel ? Thats like putting snow tires on a dragster.

    • @JohnDoe-dv7jm
      @JohnDoe-dv7jm 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      you only lose about 300 fps.

    • @fishymacaroon6
      @fishymacaroon6 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      John Doe Still, why deal with the recoil if you're not going to fully utilize the cartridge? There are other rounds that'll hit at that distance without killing your shoulder, and they cost less too.

    • @whiplash636
      @whiplash636 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      FishyMacaroon6:
      1. L. Vickers is a has-been with loads of funding and sponsors, so cost isn't really a factor for him as it pertains to shooting.
      2. As for recoil, it isn't nearly as bad as you'd think. Muzzle brakes go a long way toward mitigating recoil.

    • @whiskeybravo11
      @whiskeybravo11 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The rifle is designed for tactical use.
      That thing will still punch hard plates at 1k keeping 1moa.

    • @richardpowell9906
      @richardpowell9906 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Troy Reynolds I I 8

  • @Searlesike
    @Searlesike 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like Gunsite!!! Went there 2 years back and learned a lot.. i appreciate everything they taught me and i hope to one day return.

  • @robfrmny21
    @robfrmny21 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Larry thanks for bringing a great show and great guest as well

  • @ericlondon5731
    @ericlondon5731 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    As a gunsmith, I have been informed by some clients that the rate a bullet drops is due entirely to the price of the ammunition. Apparently, the more one spends the longer the laws of gravity leave ammo alone. They might have attempted to state that some overpriced ammo brands rated at a very high speed allowed a difference in trajectory but was unable to explain why. Actually, in the retail world the customer is frequently wrong because of many misconceptions and myths. Not wanting to ask questions in a misguided fear to appear dumb is the biggest problem.

  • @Autobotmatt428
    @Autobotmatt428 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You should try and recreate the Carlos Hathcok 1mile kill with a M2 BMG

    • @klevee6076
      @klevee6076 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Matthew Arenson today you’d have to use the Barrett.

  • @marcusamyotte5672
    @marcusamyotte5672 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent vid. Thx for sharing Larry.

  • @zachariaszut
    @zachariaszut 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not everyone who has the knowledge has the ability to pass it.
    Having the knowledge and being able to convey it to the people who do not have it is what being a Professor is all about.
    Mr. Vickers here has both.
    Thank you Mr. Vickers.

  • @electrontube
    @electrontube 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Rounds going trans-sonic is a real ball- breaker.

  • @DeeboComing
    @DeeboComing 7 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    What's the point of a 20" 338 Lapua??

    • @tiberiu_nicolae
      @tiberiu_nicolae 7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I don't get it either. What muzzle velocities do you get with that?

    • @Fj4LiFe23
      @Fj4LiFe23 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      it can hit a grand...whats wrong with that?

    • @tiberiu_nicolae
      @tiberiu_nicolae 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Fj4LiFe23 If you hit steel or paper it's cool I guess but you're losing precious fps for damage.

    • @everythingknife8763
      @everythingknife8763 7 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      What are you hunting at 1000+ yards? Anything closer still has plenty of energy left.

    • @tiberiu_nicolae
      @tiberiu_nicolae 7 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      I don't hunt at more than 300 yds, but if I had to punch paper at 1000, maybe I'll go with a 30 cal, or something in 7mm or 6mm (edit 6.5mm) because it's lighter to carry, cheaper, less recoil and the faster round makes for less wind deflection. It's just seems to me there is lots of lost potential in a short barrel 338. But then again, it's like cars. If you like it and it works for you, it's good and there's no point arguing.

  • @SLAPnPOP726
    @SLAPnPOP726 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just wanna say, your guy's post-editing is superb, reminds me a lot of how Future Weapons was shot. Much respect.

  • @tacticalshoppingnetwork741
    @tacticalshoppingnetwork741 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great rifle and great vids as always. Cheers guys!

  • @jordanosborn1814
    @jordanosborn1814 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The bullet doesn't tumble when going back from supersonic THAT is a myth

    • @mikuhatsunegoshujin
      @mikuhatsunegoshujin 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      it just travels slower making the drop more every yard/meter and more influenced by environment.

    • @ronalddump4061
      @ronalddump4061 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      +INSTALL: You do realize, I hope, that even if the bullet did not slow down, (as if earth were airless) the bullet still drops much further per each succeeding second, or per each succeeding 100 yds, as it moves away from the gun. For instance, in the first second the bullet drops 16ft off the boreline. At the end of 2 seconds it is 64ft below the boreline. At the end of 3 seconds, 144ft below the boreline.
      This all tends to point out just how improbable are some of these hilariously long shots at animals, using laser rangefinders, uploaded to utube.
      But I guess we expect naïve bullshit on utube......

  • @riflemanjim
    @riflemanjim 8 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    What's with all the 20" barrels on 338 magnums? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of a large caliber like that.

    • @eerovuori4827
      @eerovuori4827 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      +James Okello Why would it? They are still hitting hard to 1400yards. Try that with .308win.
      Short thick barrel vibrates less and is easier to transport. And keeps suppressed lenght to be operatable in field conditions.

    • @riflemanjim
      @riflemanjim 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      But it loses a lot of velocity

    • @eerovuori4827
      @eerovuori4827 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So what? Sure bullet does drop more, but when shooting past 300 yards you need correct firing solution anyway.
      Whats with the need for speed addiction.

    • @riflemanjim
      @riflemanjim 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That becomes an exponential factor as range extanges,why wouldn't you want every bit of speed to remain supersonic.

    • @eerovuori4827
      @eerovuori4827 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Because you still have to carry that rifle to your spot, preferably consealed. Certain rifles are just desinged for different stuff. Philosophy of use.
      .308 to 800yards. .338lm to 1400yards, .50bmg antimaterial and beyond 1400.
      Sure if you carry that rifle in your truck to local range, you can have 40 inch barrel if you wish.
      But that rifle isnt yours or isnt desinged for prone range shooting.

  • @thomasholmes4556
    @thomasholmes4556 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent representation of the physics involved in long range shooting! 👍👍👍👍

  • @MatthewinGooseneck
    @MatthewinGooseneck 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great vid! I was surprised at how well the suppressor worked on a 338 Lapua

  • @spraynpray
    @spraynpray 8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    250gr SMK G1 BCs:
    >2150fps = .587
    1700-2150fps = .606
    1700-1400fps = .576
    2300fps = .768
    1800-2300fps = .760

    • @aaronorr3647
      @aaronorr3647 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +spraynpray G1 is applicable to straight wall Flat base bullets, use the G7 for computing boat tail bullets.

    • @spraynpray
      @spraynpray 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If only somebody would tell Sierra that. G1 numbers are bigger, so manufacturers don't like giving G7.

    • @aaronorr3647
      @aaronorr3647 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      spraynpray Berger is one of the few companies that make it easy by printing both numbers online and in their sales material.

    • @spraynpray
      @spraynpray 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah but I won't be buying those $1 bullets anytime soon. I need to shoot way too much to get my skill up to shoot that stuff.
      Blems, seconds, and overstocks for me, sucka!

  • @scopednightmare49
    @scopednightmare49 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This whole video seemed like one big ad, great for me because I use adblock.

  • @TheRealMEEDABEE
    @TheRealMEEDABEE 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Debunking these myths should hopefully help my shooting, thanks Vickers Tactical! :)

  • @realestatephotovideoshawns1177
    @realestatephotovideoshawns1177 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    With that music I keep expecting ghosts! But I did learn a lot from this! Thank you

  • @rikkiwells4564
    @rikkiwells4564 8 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    What i have said all along adding a suppressor to a gun will give it some extra range capability, because you are in theory adding length.

    • @boxcarmonument
      @boxcarmonument 8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      It's not the length it's the freebore boost. You have pressure behind the bullet pushing it through unrestricted airspace because the bullet isn't gripping the rifling of the barrel.

    • @zoltancsikos5604
      @zoltancsikos5604 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It's both. It's still primarily the length, however. Without a tight grip around the Bullet; some gasses could escape, and that wouldn't be as effective as a Bullet going down the Barrel.

    • @Big6Duke
      @Big6Duke 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +Rikki Wells adding a suppressor adds VERY VERY LITTLE velocity and is actually more of a Myth

    • @boxcarmonument
      @boxcarmonument 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      +Big6Duke There is nothing mythical about freebore boost. It's real, it happens plenty of data to back it up. My case in particular was 32fps with a Thunderbeast 30P-1 with a 6.5x47Lapua.

    • @jaybee6318
      @jaybee6318 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'm guessing you've never seen a suppressor. It's not an extension of the barrel.

  • @pokerman9108
    @pokerman9108 8 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    So the myths are?

    • @dirlewangerfin3282
      @dirlewangerfin3282 7 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      It´s a prank bro!

    • @CamoNammo
      @CamoNammo 7 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      That suppressors decrease velocity.

    • @GreatValueJohnnySins
      @GreatValueJohnnySins 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Clickbait

    • @Makta972
      @Makta972 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Only one myth : " americans are actually smart"

    • @sambone1015
      @sambone1015 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Makta972 nobody thinks that. I'm American,and I'm surrounded by fuckin troglodytes,willfull ignorance,malignant stupidity,and just plain shitty behavior.

  • @Hoodlm13b
    @Hoodlm13b 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great vid. Good job, Tricam.

  • @harrisonking8156
    @harrisonking8156 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very interesting video :) definitely learned quite a bit :D

  • @woooweee
    @woooweee 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    You sound like Tom Hanks

  • @SM-ok3sz
    @SM-ok3sz 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    338 Lapua Magnum is my spirit animal

    • @yuhget108
      @yuhget108 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ammo is so expensive tho):

    • @johnsavchak8202
      @johnsavchak8202 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was thinking about the .338 Edge

  • @samr6148
    @samr6148 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, thanks LAV!

  • @DUNCEATRON5000
    @DUNCEATRON5000 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    What a great video. Very informative.

  • @modernwarriorsystems7347
    @modernwarriorsystems7347 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Suppressors may give the bullet A LITTLE more velocity out of the barrel, but the main thing is that it calms the air outside of the muzzle and gives the bullet a cleaner exit it out of the rifle, so the bullet gets stabilized sooner and better than without a suppressor.

    • @klevee6076
      @klevee6076 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Kyle Teeter absolutely ridiculous.

    • @dunxy
      @dunxy 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Citations fo this "calm air" business?
      Sure suppressors can/do improve accuracy, more to do with barrel harmonics than anything to do with air stabilization from any information i have come across.Simply adding weight to the front of many rifles,without any suppression or braking, improves accuracy. If you have any interests in the subject check out johhnys reloading bench's series on barrel harmonics.

    • @fandango_buttlicks
      @fandango_buttlicks 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Kyle Teeter sure bro, you learn that playing call of duty?

    • @richrudley2650
      @richrudley2650 ปีที่แล้ว

      Maybe there is a little more pressure left behind the bullet.

    • @modernwarriorsystems7347
      @modernwarriorsystems7347 ปีที่แล้ว

      Because a can traps all the turbulent air behind the projectile as it exits, unlike a brake that creates turbulent air, and especially a barrel with no muzzle device that shoots air and gases out in the same direction as the bullet and in front of the bullet. The velocity you gain isn't really enough to matter.

  • @kramotakra
    @kramotakra 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I want to see a redo with Todd Hodnett + Bryan Litz ballistic calculator with the rifle trued at 1300

    • @PEMphotography
      @PEMphotography 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +kramotakra I would love for Todd Hodnett to come on here and school all the folks who refuse to change with the times and new training techniques. There is a reason why he is the foremost expert on long distance and all of his .308's and .338 LPM's bolt guns are barreled at 20 inches (granted they are all Bartlein like mine).

    • @kramotakra
      @kramotakra 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Patrick Miller Yep, short and thick better than long and hanging LOL
      Nah, Todd won't have the time.... he can make people feel extremely inferior though "long range is easy, just apply the fundamentals" Reminds me of the bullseye masters who explain how they do it "pick up gun, squeeze trigger, put gun down." Well, I apply fundamentals all day long and not shooting as well as Todd!

    • @PEMphotography
      @PEMphotography 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +kramotakra It definitely includes a ton of practice and range time too. I can say that Todd's teaching technique is very calming and confidence inspiring. Before I took his class I struggled to get out to 1k, I had the same cockeyed body position, and inconsistent fundamentals like I saw in this video. The old guys like Larry and a lot of commenters really struggle with letting go of out dated ideas such as longer barrels and really wrenching down on the gun. Long distance is really not that hard.....

  • @asoftraiden
    @asoftraiden 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really enjoyed this video, superb discription!

  • @Naumets1
    @Naumets1 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    That suppressor man I wish I could add that to my gun. Wow Larry awesome keep these long range vids coming. That was one of the most interesting things I have seen amazing love your channel.

  • @christopherbost5387
    @christopherbost5387 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    They're debunking the myths of Wal-Mart rifles in hunting calibers with hunting scopes are regularly hitting 1000yd targets.

  • @randomtask917
    @randomtask917 8 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    games make suppressors have a penalty otherwise everyone would use them making the game worse

    • @bighands69
      @bighands69 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      +Random Task
      Adding suppressors to different guns can have different effects.

    • @marineninga
      @marineninga 8 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      +Random Task Virtually all of the disadvantages of a suppressor is gone from video games.
      Increased overall length makes it more difficult to maneuver in cqc, yet most games let you clear rooms with guns that are longer than pogo sticks with no issue at all.
      Harder cycling which wears parts faster, most games don't have weapon degradation
      Heat build up, temperature has no effect in games
      Cost most multiplayer games have you unlock attachments rather than buy them
      Increased weight and shifting the center of gravity of the gun, some games reflect this through handling statistics that affect recoil but otherwise it does nothing.

    • @petertimowreef9085
      @petertimowreef9085 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +Michael Nguyen The harder cycling, is that because of the higher pressure because the bullet takes longer to clear the barrel?

    • @Eminentend
      @Eminentend 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Michael Nguyen I guess you're an expert on game development

    • @Stonemask5
      @Stonemask5 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Michael Nguyen The only game I know that has heat effects is Red Orchestra, since you can destroy the barrel on a mg42 by firing too long

  • @IzHackedYou
    @IzHackedYou 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video Larry. Do you think you'll do a video on the Scar H/17s in the future?

  • @jvalent519
    @jvalent519 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I find it very interesting how Larry was shooting Lefty with a right handed gun. Never removing his firing hand from the grip. Unusual technique.

    • @MorganMcGinnis
      @MorganMcGinnis 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      thats how i roll with bolt action too :)

  • @steveb9496
    @steveb9496 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Only one "myth."

  • @hangfire5005
    @hangfire5005 8 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    *product placement* Hey i got a buddy over at *product placement* tactical jargon, keywords, keywords *product placement*.

  • @yanshuoli69
    @yanshuoli69 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    darn it waited for that 50cal throughout

  • @j.haseli2291
    @j.haseli2291 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the perfection all shooters, it’s very fun to learn from them, god bless you guys, thanks for your video

  • @opinionatorX
    @opinionatorX 8 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I once hit target from 2 miles away. It was a tree.

    • @phillhuddleston9445
      @phillhuddleston9445 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I hit a hill at 200 yards.

    • @mattwalters6834
      @mattwalters6834 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Phill Huddleston pfft! I hit the ground at 300 yards.

    • @drankurbaruah
      @drankurbaruah 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      What is this? Amateur plinkster's day?
      Once, I blew away the corner of a barn door from 25 metres away.
      With one shot.
      Yes, bitches..
      WITH. ONE. SHOT.

  • @tnekkc
    @tnekkc 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Why are there spoilers bragging, insulting and criticizing others online about long range shooting?

    • @billmcgregor4112
      @billmcgregor4112 8 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Welcome to the Internet!

    • @nathanhorvatich8360
      @nathanhorvatich8360 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ..yes, the voices from the rookie seats is inevitable. They are not capable of keeping teeth together. It’s quite a thing..these folks who critique every detail of these videos..yet when I ask them where is their instructive video..? As they speak as if they are somehow a expert marksman since they read guns and ammo and other internet sites, and those articles become their “experience” I don’t know why these expert critics don’t join up with a military or LE unit to impart their great wisdom ..

  • @ragnarok5056
    @ragnarok5056 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    What kind of spotting scope did you use? Very nice video by the way, as usual

  • @BBQDad463
    @BBQDad463 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for this video. That was great shooting. Lucky to have a top-notch guy to help you home in on the limits of the firearm and ammunition.
    Subscribed.

  • @IraTopp
    @IraTopp 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    10:38 Why is he squinting like he was hit with pepper spray?
    Simply close your eye, not jam it closed!

    • @Pat4ever.
      @Pat4ever. 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You’re not even supposed to close your eye

  • @jake-speed
    @jake-speed 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    where's the myths? just saw shooting and product plugs

    • @rdsii64
      @rdsii64 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Shane Kennedy the implied myth was "one shot one kill" At really long ranges, things like temperature, wind at your locations and wind at the target not being the same direction and speed, the coriolis effect and spend drift and mirrage, make first round hits past 1200 yards VERY HARD and most shooters connect with the second shot after a correction. the worlds longest kill with a 338 lapua connected on the second shot

  • @harveypinsk
    @harveypinsk 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really enjoyed the video thank you so much

  • @dorboygaming7128
    @dorboygaming7128 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Larry, you seem to be very good at shedding some light on rare yet to be understood guns that most of us hadn't heard of like the an94, kord, aek, and other guns like that. I was wondering if you had the means to get your hands on a G11? They are so interesting on many different levels from action, sealing, ejection and such yet so little is known. (I've only found 2 sources) It'd be awesome if you could (if anyone even can...) get one and show it off.

  • @albi131
    @albi131 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    20 inch .338 Lapua with this suppressor was hearing safe?

    • @7zobzombie
      @7zobzombie 8 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      albi131 It is when you don't give a shit about your hearing anymore lol

    • @PEMphotography
      @PEMphotography 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      +albi131 I've been next to one before.....It's pretty damn loud still. Hearing protection is still a must.

    • @ElectricPyroclast
      @ElectricPyroclast 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      He used supersonic (faster than speed of sound) ammunition in this video. Subsonic (slower than speed of sound) ammo is what makes some guns tolerable to operate with little to no ear protection.

    • @dom69foco
      @dom69foco 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +ElectricPyroclast It's got nothing to do with the bullet speed. I find 5.56mm fine without protection and that's supersonic. The noise level is determined by the size of the explosion behind the bullet and how far away the barrel end is.

    • @ElectricPyroclast
      @ElectricPyroclast 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +dom69foco Okay, you are more correct that I was, but I think there's a general but imperfect correlation between bullet velocity and energy of explosion.

  • @stillwaterbuilders3714
    @stillwaterbuilders3714 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    unfortunately i could never afford to buy one of these rifles. fortunately i would never need one these rifles. i never made a shot past 300 yards.

    • @everythingknife8763
      @everythingknife8763 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      One part I loved in the Marines was rifle qualification week. Everyone has to score at 500 yards with iron sights. On top of that every rifle I was issued must have had about 50,000 rounds fired through it. The boot camp rifle was the worst. It would fire again when I released the trigger. I never once ran an entire magazine without it jamming. Ahh, good times. I miss those days.

    • @stillwaterbuilders3714
      @stillwaterbuilders3714 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Robert Marks 500 yards?

    • @stillwaterbuilders3714
      @stillwaterbuilders3714 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      with iron sights?

    • @everythingknife8763
      @everythingknife8763 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, 500. The front sight is the same size as the target at that range. Every Marine has to do that. I believe infantry has more stringent requirements. I was a simple fiber optic repairman.

    • @stillwaterbuilders3714
      @stillwaterbuilders3714 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Robert Marks thats crazy man, i didn't know they did that. i was kind of skeptical at first because 500 yards with iron sights seems crazy. but, i guess they make the targets 6x6' even so thats still a crazy shot. realistically probably not going to hit moving enemy combatant at 500 yards with iron sights, but hey i bet you would scare the crap out of them by just by hitting close to their position.

  • @hoosierdaddy2308
    @hoosierdaddy2308 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video. Growing up in Indiana and shooting Groundhogs, I can relate! :-) However, the most accurate rifle I have shot (and this was a long time ago) was a Styr with a Shepherd Scope. Very accurate. :-)
    Thanks for the video. Very good info

  • @Leethal1
    @Leethal1 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    great tips Larry. We need more of that 360 camera

  • @1975acidburn
    @1975acidburn 8 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    And here come all the ballistic/shooting experts comments.

  • @handendaer
    @handendaer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Very little talk about any facts,, no mentioning about The corriolis effect bs either, or did i miss something? Didnt watch all this crap tbh

  • @AZMarine513
    @AZMarine513 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Walt was my instructor for the .223 Carbine class I took a few years ago. He is a very knowledgeable and a very good person. I would like to shoot the Long Range course with him some time.

  • @Farrajenius
    @Farrajenius 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    man u need 60 fps cameras , ur videos are enjoyable

  • @NickVeritas
    @NickVeritas 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    i didn't hear any Coriolis Effect adjustments. Is this because they do not exist? I downloaded the Army sniper and artillery manuals and neither mentioned the effect. What gives?

    • @Arejayyy94
      @Arejayyy94 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No they do exist but, the range could be facing south and since the earth rotates that way it wont effect the shot, could be wrong but thats one possibility.

    • @NickVeritas
      @NickVeritas 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      i just want to see "Coriolis Effect" in ANY official Army pub.

    • @Arejayyy94
      @Arejayyy94 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +Nick Veritas yeah i know what you mean, you'd think they would at least explain it, does seem quite strange.

    • @NickVeritas
      @NickVeritas 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i downloaded the Army Sniper Manual and the Army Artillery Officer Manual and there is no mention of the Coriolis Effect in either... strange.

    • @gunnaraw
      @gunnaraw 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The coriolis effect is the least important factor in long range shooting.

  • @AnthonysOutdoors
    @AnthonysOutdoors 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Shooting a 20 inch 338 with inferior 250 grain bullets with a crappy BC proved you weren't using the right gear to shoot at distance. Not to mention your body position for LR shooting is garbage. And WTF kind of world class spotter says favor left/right edge? With a properly trued ballistic calculator and a world class "spotter" he should be calling out baseline windage in mils. And then calling out the change in mils as the wind changes before the shot. Oh and you didn't disprove any myths.

  • @HiLuxInc
    @HiLuxInc 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    That was some delightful coaching

  • @nosellama189
    @nosellama189 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My regards Larry, you are a true Marksman, Cheers from Chile South America

  • @bwkid1
    @bwkid1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    That AX 338 looks like a great weapon. I used an Accuracy international L96A1 back when I was a sniper in a infantry C.O.P unit (British army), menu year's ago. You are so lucky in the US (and other nations) where you can buy and use these weapons all the time. In the UK, if I have a baseball bat in the boot (trunk) of my car and I don't have a ball to go with it. I will be arrested for carrying a deadly weapon. Don't ever let the liberals take your gun rights from you.

    • @Parents_of_Twins
      @Parents_of_Twins 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Common misconception is that liberals want to take away guns. They want to keep nutjobs from buying guns and then going in and murdering a bunch of innocent people the next day. I own a half dozen guns and would own more if I had the money and the time to shoot. Don't allow biased media make you think that liberals don't own and want others to own guns. What we want is to keep those who are mentally unstable from being able to go in on Monday and buying a 2 assault rifles 10 clips and 500 rounds of ammo and Saturday throwing a all you can die party at the local nightclub. Finally you are allowed to own shotguns, machetes and other weapons in your home in the UK and I seriously doubt you would get arrested for having a bat in your car unless you told the cop that it was for self defense at which point you may or may not depends on the cop. Pretty simple to get around that though isn't there...keep a damn ball with your bat. Geez think outside the box a little.

    • @TheNutzandBoltz
      @TheNutzandBoltz 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Parents_of_Twins You are a good Liberal, you are not in power. Nancy Pelosi is not a good Liberal and she is in power.

    • @markxyz5377
      @markxyz5377 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Parents_of_Twins I couldn’t disagree more. There was I point when I would have agreed with you, but after watching the stunts that NY (of which I’m a resident) and CA have pulled in the last couple of years, there is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that liberals most certainly do want to take away your guns - through legislation, through social media campaigns, and through financial arm-twisting/blackmail. On that last point, google NYS Comptroller Thomas J. DiNapoli’s action last year of sending letters to the nation’s largest lenders suggesting that they should consider no longer doing business with any facet of the gun industry (firearms manufacturers, ammunition manufacturers, vendors, and consumers). There was no purpose to that except to try to cripple the gun industry nationally. Then please tell us again that all they want to do is keep AR’s out to the hands of mentally unstable people.

    • @moreno3663
      @moreno3663 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Parents_of_Twins "Shall not be infringed".
      End of story. Nothing in life is safe. There is danger everywhere.
      I would much rather be able to defend myself and the one's I love to the best of my ability, than have some government entity tell me what I can or cannot use. Especially when that entity has her own armed security.
      BTW the UK is currently banning knives because there so many murders by stabbing. That just furthers the point that no matter what, people are going to hurt other people.
      Most of the shootings happened in places where people are distracted and more than that, disarmed already, i.e schools, bars, concerts, because mass shooters are cowards and want to minimize the risk. You make a place riskier to attack, you decrease the odds that someone is going to attack. Gun free zones don't work.
      Parent of Twins, you're part of whats wrong with this country and why we're so weak now. You should've made good on your word and moved to Canada with the rest of the Communist, excuse me, Liberals.

  • @importantname
    @importantname 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    thumbs down; too much talk that has nothing to do with myths - and way to much commercial advertising.

  • @ZzmemeguyzZ
    @ZzmemeguyzZ 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey larry I temporarily reside in Singapore and I saw you on documentary channel and you were talking about the legion and the famas and I thought it was pretty cool to see you on TV :)

  • @fdtguru6673
    @fdtguru6673 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice commercial. And I love the little 8" suppressor on a 338 Lapua. Yeah that should should do it.