Hi Dina, We never changed the paper. It has always been 122lb | 180gsm white paper. The only way the paper has changed is if our paper supplier is pulling a fast one on us. We have addressed it with them and they told us the same thing. That it has not changed. I hope that it was some sort of freak accident at the warehouse that caused this. I am more upset than you are, I assure you. We will get to the bottom of this. Anthony, Founder of illo sketchbook
Thanks for responding to the community, I planned to get an illo but I’ll have to wait till this is fixed :( Plus I’m in Canada and its even more expensive.
Just a thought from someone who knows a very, very small amount of how things are manufactured, but is it possible that it's from a different machine or that the manufacturer used a new supplier for the stuff they need?
awe I feel so sorry for the founder, Anthony. It must be tough to not understand what's going wrong with his product and that he's disappointing his customers.
Would you be able to do a full sketchbook tour when you finish that one? It looked really cool when you were just paging through it, and I’d love to be able to see it more thoroughly.
obviously the freckles aren't good when using watercolors.. but I think it it's kind of cute on this illustration at the same time (: Glad to see that the founder has acknowledged and is looking into this. May pick one of these up in the future.
Omg! I noticed the same thing! I got an lillo sketchbook in August and the paper worked wonderfully with watercolor (which I primarily use). Then I got a new illo in February and evertime I use watercolor it gets the little freckles that dont go away after drying. I thought for the longest time that I got a faulty sketchbook, and that it was only mine. I wish I were right, but I guess they did change the paper. I love illo sketchbooks and I hope they realise their mistake and change it back! Awesome video btw :)
Nope it seems to be in all newer 2019 sketchbooks and its so sad... I'll email the company and show them this video as proof that something has changed! Rin (drawingwiffwaffles) was the first one to tell me it was different and I refused to believe her haha xD Maybe the newer model that is on pre-order now will be changed again? :D Crossing my fingers we can fix this!
@@DinaNorlund This is what I am hoping because I bought a 2 pack on pre-order last month because I loved how they looked in so many people's videos and it seemed like a great multi-media illustration option :'(
Same I was just using mine last night and I noticed the freckles and since it was my first time purchasing Illo sketchbooks and I’m a little upset that I got two of them when this is going on 😔
also forgot to mention: i love love LOVED the speed sketching!! i always get so sad when things get cut, i hope you do it for more videos!!! (i also understand that it's probably time consuming and stuff to edit more things but i personally would not complain if there was more speed stuff instead of just completely cutting it out)
It's so sad... I was starting to warm up to the idea of getting one of these or the smaller one eventually, but I don't think I could risk it. They are quite expensive (and shipping to Canada literally doubles the price).
wowwww! i nearly bought one yesterday, so that makes 2 reasons why im glad i didnt go through with it! 1st and major reason i withheld is because the shipping cost to the UK said it would come out to $53.95, making the total $68.19.... like what the heck is that about?!!! for one 8x8 sketchbook that is craaaazy steep!
Thank you for making this video! I've been thinking about getting an illo sketch book and had heard the rumor of them changing it. This was very helpful to me! Loved the artwork! I always love your color skemes! Keep up the good work!💕
Thank you for watching! Definitley a problem that needs to be fixed.. You can still use them ofc but its so sad that the watercolour seems to react to the paper now :( But thank you
It's good to see that a few TH-cam artists are starting to say the same now about these Illo sketchbooks. It's helpful for us sketchbook hunters 👍😊 I'm thinking they made the paper slightly cream colored to help "sketches" stand out more but by doing so.... It's reduced the paper quality sadly. Lovely illustration 👍😊
I'm a big believer in making my own sketchbooks... you have complete control over everything- size, shape, paper... I just made two more for myself this week, a 3"x9" and a 6"x9". I love both of them!
I'm so glad you did this video- I was just literally looking on amazon and seriously considering getting a few illo sketchbooks and people /were/ saying it was different. Thanks for testing to make sure! (*´꒳`*)
Yay you are welcome! I'm pretty sad it was true though xD I will continue to use the one I have but I really cross my fingers they fix this.. going to send them an email haha
OH NOES! Thank you for the comparison. I hate it when paper does that, I've seen quite a few suffer from this freckling. Sometimes my watercolor papers don't have an even layer of sizing on the surface and it does this too. Booo :(
@@DinaNorlund sadly more than just illo. I had it happen in sketchbooks with mediocre paper like moleskine, but also in nicer ones like my Strathmore and Bee sketchbooks made for watercolors too :/
Wow, you really did a great job with this video. And You may have really helped the illo company, by bringing this to there attention. I too like this sketchbook & am very grateful to you for letting us see this info. I will be waiting for illo to resolve the issue B4 I purchase another one. It seems as though they are very concerned & grateful to know what has happened as well. It makes me like the company even more that they were speedy in getting back to you, & there response to the issue. So we will keep our fingers crossed that they can get things back to normal, & we can all keep getting the sketchbooks we had come to love. TYFS
I didn’t have an original Illo sketchbook because they sold out before I could get one, but I ordered one immediately when they came back in stock and mine DEFINITELY gets speckles with watercolor. I tried several brands of watercolor with mine and every one of them got the speckles. I’ve just been using markers in mine, but I’m so disappointed because I bought it specifically because of how pretty watercolors looked in these sketchbooks on various artists’ channels.
aaaaa i get so excited when you upload!!! loved the unicorns as always and shame about the paper, but i'm glad your okay with it and willing to work with it so i hope that goes well!!
This I suspect may be a sizing issue looking at the level of seepage to the back of the page. All paper has some degree of size due to the binder used to bond the fibers - then additional sizing is added either at the pulp stage, to the surface at pressing or both depending on it's intended purpose. Drawing papers are usually surface sized to provide a hard surface and tooth as well as preventing ink feathering. Cartridge papers intended to stand up to a wide variety of media will usually be internally sized too. I suspect this is not the case here based on how absorbent the paper becomes once the surface sizing has dissolved. There has also been a trend to move away from traditional gelatin size to appease the vegans. Some of these vegan friendly sizings, often starch based, I do not think work as well as a surface size with wet media.
This is my first time using a illo sketchbook and I have the exact same one that you have on the right. I have not used water colors but I use copics and I've seen Drawingwiffwaffles use illos, that's why I wanted to test it out, and bought one. I've been trying to finish my current sketchbook, an canson mix media XL sketchbook. That's been one of my favorite brands so far. Now I can't wait to try out my first illo sketchbook.
Something thats SUPER interesting to watch is around thirteen minutes - 13:01 - there's a lone freckle on the OG paper - right above the crease line of the thigh, but if you watch it while you are colouring in the new page's rump, it slowly fades out. By 13:41 that spot is completely gone. I wonder if this is something to do with the paper being somewhat resistant to water - like those little freckles are happening because the fibers around that spot are more hydrophobic than the freckled part? But on the old paper it seems to accept the water eventually/more easily, whereas on the newer one maybe the water and pigment are getting stuck there because of inconsistencies in the paper itself? No matter what... your unicorn is absolutely precious, and whats happening with the paper is bonkerdonkers. I see that the company replied, hopefully they get it all sorted.
This is actually really interesting, because I’ve been preparing to do a paper comparison of the sketchbooks I normally use, the hand•book travelogue, because I recently noticed after buying a new one that speedball bought the company, and I was curious if the paper has changed. I have a suspicion that it may have. The one thing that really concerns me about your test is that the color bled through to the back of the page. Darn.
I liked the reaction of the right sketch book! I think you can learn from that reaction for your advantages of how to handle it and make beautiful things.
Thank you so much for making this video and contacting the company! I was so disappointed when my new sketchbook wasn't working like my old one from last year, especially since illo says nothing changed! I'm not just crazy hahaha
I’m gonna be honest, I think that the freckling is really pretty. It gives your drawing a lot of texture that the first one lacks, and it also makes the creatures skin seem a little more rough and real! Love both though ❤️
It's cool to hear your thoughts on this sketchbook. I haven't actually tried the Illo sketchbooks before, but it's not good that they have seemed to make such a drastic change to it! :O Hopefully they go back to the older design!
I personally don’t do much watercolor. As long as it still works with copic markers and pencils, I’m all good! I’d be super interested in seeing you test the differences with alcohol markers!
Same here, bought two after seeing Rin use them and loved them. Later bought two more and these behave very differently. I am glad they will be looking into it because I did really love this paper.
Thank you for this video!!! I live in Canada so it’s VERY expensive to get these books. I don’t like how the paper warped... I will likely not be buying these anytime soon.
Yeah, I got a sketchbook because of how it handled watercolor since I like to do light washes here and there. It freckled immediately. Which confused me because so many people with the old ones said it didn't. Sadly I ended up with 3 of them-- two I plan to use since they still handle inks very well. The other I am giving away with a warning :/ I really like them for the 8x8 size. And the square. It just... makes me so happy. (RETRACTED), I see they state officially they did not change it-- I can accept that, but there is a clear quality issue. Which I see they are investigating and hopefully can shed some light on. I am no expert by aaaaany means, but it seems to react violently with water in particular, so I wonder if there is a sealant portion of the paper or something that did not get to settle properly, or was exposed to something like heat/ moisture/ etc etc. Hard to tell without knowing the recipe. Won't lie, I just thought I had a bad book-- two in fact. I heard Rin mention it and that got me thinking as well.
My first illo does the freckling thing too. I got mine in January I believe. It's still a great sketchbook but watercolor is not the best media on the paper. I still love my illo I just know it's not the best for watercolor. I hope they get to the bottom of it I'd love to use my watercolors in my illo! They have great customer service so I'm sure they will figure it out!
I have not used an illo sketchbook before but I have noticed a similar problem with the Canson XL sketchbooks. I normally use the mixed media version of the sketchbook, originally the first ones I used took watercolor really well and it was great. but the recent ones I have used hadn't handed the watercolor the same. The watercolor dried more spotted and was bleeding through the paper. Very similar to your problems with this book. Maybe it's just a bad batch or two. Either way it is very disappointing so I can understand that feeling. Hopefully, the next batch of the Illo sketchbooks turns out alright!
Oof! I bought one a bit ago but I don’t plan on using watercolor in it at all after seeing this, those freckles would absolutely drive me crazy. I’ll still use my current one with other mediums and seeing that the Founder is trying to fix this I look forward to buying another in its original glorious state!
hmm interesting. I had seen other people complain about the freckling so wasn't surprised about the results but its good to see a comparison between the old sketchbook and the new :)
I have a feeling that you would like the stillman and birn zeta series sketchbook, it’s smooth like the illo sketchbook but it’s a much thicker stronger paper. So I would love to see you do a review on that!
I was watching the way she painted the rump of the unicorn on the right. She did go quite hard on the paper and you relies if that's something you know could cause freckling.
I bought this sketch book because of you an Rin. I thought it was user error or I got a defective one. I’m happy that Illo is going to get to the bottom of this. It makes the freckles a little better! Lol
I think their paper supplier is the same as moleskine's, because I expertienced the exact same paper change issue in them. They have this strange freckling.
There's definitely either less sizing, or different sizing applied in this paper. It may just be an issue with manufacturer quality control and they aren't making consistent paper sizing production technique batch to batch. Hopefully future batches are corrected.
I am so glad you did this ....... there are several artists that I follow that swear by this sketch book so I purchased some this year and all of my watercolors are freckled just like yours in the ones purchased this year. I had to use gouache in mine finally because my watercolors all looked horrid with the paper freckles. I will be contacting them because I purchased like 4 of them and they are horrible...........
The same happened to me when I was using my strathmore 400 watercolor sketchbook with the koi paints but it didn’t happen I used some the cotman. The koi’s were in pans and the cotman were in tubes so there might of been a difference between the two but I’m not sure. Regardless it’s definitely a lot more common then someone would think.
Hi! I was wondering if you'd re-tried an illo sketchbook recently, and whether it is worth buying one? This video is so so helpful! And your art is so beautiful. Thank you :D
To me, it looks like the same paper, but they got some with inconsistent sizing. If there are parts that are sized differently, the same amount of water/scrubbing would cause drastically different absorption rates, and could definitely cause damage to the paper with minimal working. It's very possible that illo's manufacturer/paper suppliers had a bad/inconsistent batch at some point. :/
darn, that sucks, I just ordered two of these, but it doesnt affect that much as I don't use watercolor that often, so that's great. This is a beautiful piece, by the way!
I'm so upset. Im having the freckle problem severely in mine. Like huge freckles. I've tagged illo and sent them stuff. No comment from them. (I did it nicely). I really hope you sending this video does something.
I heard that the paper in the illo-sketchbook isn't acid free? Which is a problem because of preservation of the artwork inside? This video was really helpful though
I actually like how the "defective" one handled the paint better. The way the paint blended and some of the speckles made it look cool to me. But I get how it's disappointing and confusing to get something different that what you expected.
Ugh. That sucks. Obviously, something changed because the color of the paper is slightly off. Even if illo doesn't say they made a change, I think maybe something did without their knowledge. I feel the same way with the Strathmore 300 Series watercolor paper. I bought a pack for the first time and absolutely loved it, it was thick and I could put a lot of water on it and the paper would still be firm. But when I ran out and bought another pack, it was so different. I'm talking like, obvious differences, it was thinner, it would bend differently and warp more, and when I layered watercolor it would react differently, also the texture was different and flatter. UGH. Anyway, I hope you find another sketchbook that takes watercolor well!
Annnnnd I now don't want to try Illo.... thank u for this video, I am glad I got to see if the pages freckled. So sorry about your beautiful unicorn. It's still beautiful, but I can understand why you feel sad.
I've had the same problem with this run of the sketchbooks too. Except it's been with markers. My markers gave that same speckling effect, but over a large area of color. It was really noticeable with skin tone promarkers, I thought maybe it was just the brand, but alcohol is alcohol, so that shouldn't have been the issue, I tested it out on my usual maker paper that I use it on, and looked at my old illo (pre 2019 as well), and yeah the effect it makes on the new sketchbook is really gross to look at... I think I'm going back to my usual sketchbook after this.... ugh, so many pages to fill
My sketchbook soaks up water like tissue paper, so I get a LOT of freckling. I think it might not have happened on the head, because the area is smaller. And for some reason some colours create a lot of freckling while others do none. I mostly have to be very quick and let it dry between every layer. And honestly, I just got used to spotty paintings. It's only sketches after all... Edit: That also happened to my favourite sketchbook. I could use watercolour without any problems and in the new ones it freckles. (The one I'm using now is a completely different one.)
How strange! And yes we definitley hav eto keep in mind that is a sketchbook and it's not supposed to be masterpieces :) I guess its just a shock when it reacts really differently and weird!
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I was going to get an illo sketch book so I could practice with watercolor pencils that I haven't used yet, but I might try to find a different one or wait until I hear that illo has gone back to the previous quality.
So unfortunate! D: I've seen this freckling effect on poor quality papers elsewhere (adult coloring book "Pop Manga Mermaids" as an example), and it's the worst. It seems to be small bits of the paper pulp itself absorbing pigment differently to the rest of the paper, and I am so sad these sketchbooks are bad now when they were fine before!
I love your channel so much! Thanks for comparing these two together. I hope they figure out what's going on with the art book, cause the new one is yuck! D:
Get a pentalic aquajournal. They are a million times better. Or just start using proper watercolour paper. Each your beautiful pieces deserves to stand alone or possibly be sold/framed anyway :)
@@DinaNorlund They are 300gsm cold press watercolor paper. Very little texture though (I've often sketched in pencil and/or used colour pencils on top of my watercolour work with them). I also find it easy to do ink/link work on that paper. Easily the best commonly sold watercolour sketchbook that I've found.
I would imagine the illo is minimally sized (despite not being made for watercolour,) and this looks to be a sizing issue - either faulty sizing or a change in formulation or even less sizing.
Ugh, this is the second time I've gotten into a sketchbook and they've changed the paper on me! My Canson XL Mixed Media paper got thinner and doesn't take water as well at ALL and now Illo? This is depressing, lol.
i got mine a few months ago and was really excited to try it... when i saw it do this it was so upsetting. but im gad to know its not just me the paper accepts ink and colored pencil well enough so i will use it and fill it up, but i will have to find a sketchbook for my watercolor practice elsewhere
I thought about this sketchbook but I always go back to stillman and birn there zeta series is great and they came out with square sizes now but nice art either way
I love the format of these sketchbooks, being square and the rounded corners, but I don’t see myself getting one, mostly because of the fact they aren’t acid free so they’ll likely yellow or deteriorate over time; but I also have a bit more of a heavy hand with my mixed media stuff anyways, I really like the canson xl mix media, maybe I’ll chop one of them to make it square haha
Hrmm. May be an issue with the sizing, if that is something used in this mill’s process. Or, something in the process that just didn’t quite get the fibers to quite stick together right. Might be a fun experiment to cut out a sheet in each book and try to wet ‘stretch’ it?
Aw man, I really was thinking about buying an illo sketchbook for just normal sketching & watercolour. Seems like I won't do that now. Thanks for the review. If anyone knows of a sketchbook with is similar (like, takes watercolour but has not too thick paper), please let me know. I'm desperately on the search for a new one.
Hi Dina,
We never changed the paper.
It has always been 122lb | 180gsm white paper.
The only way the paper has changed is if our paper supplier is pulling a fast one on us.
We have addressed it with them and they told us the same thing. That it has not changed.
I hope that it was some sort of freak accident at the warehouse that caused this.
I am more upset than you are, I assure you.
We will get to the bottom of this.
Anthony,
Founder of illo sketchbook
Thanks for responding to the community, I planned to get an illo but I’ll have to wait till this is fixed :( Plus I’m in Canada and its even more expensive.
Omg I really appreciate that you as a company actually come on here and give a response. You guys are an awesome company.
@@Gothikah Thank you! We truly care about our artist community.
I was just going to buy one of your sketchbooks! I'll wait until the paper's fixed as well. Can't wait to get it!!
Just a thought from someone who knows a very, very small amount of how things are manufactured, but is it possible that it's from a different machine or that the manufacturer used a new supplier for the stuff they need?
awe I feel so sorry for the founder, Anthony. It must be tough to not understand what's going wrong with his product and that he's disappointing his customers.
Thank you for making this! I knew something was up. I've not been too pleased. I feel like I complain every-time I use mine with watercolors.
*touch touch touch touch* hahaha thanks for the informative video! I also love these books so this is good to keep in mind.
We love your videos as well!
Your everywhere in the comments on art
Would you be able to do a full sketchbook tour when you finish that one? It looked really cool when you were just paging through it, and I’d love to be able to see it more thoroughly.
Yes ofc! I just want to finish drawing on all the pages before I do :D
Dina Norlund Thanks, looking forward to it!
Omg I'm excited for that now
Yes I would love to see this I can't wait!
@@DinaNorlund thanks...u should totally do it😘
obviously the freckles aren't good when using watercolors.. but I think it it's kind of cute on this illustration at the same time (:
Glad to see that the founder has acknowledged and is looking into this. May pick one of these up in the future.
Omg! I noticed the same thing! I got an lillo sketchbook in August and the paper worked wonderfully with watercolor (which I primarily use). Then I got a new illo in February and evertime I use watercolor it gets the little freckles that dont go away after drying. I thought for the longest time that I got a faulty sketchbook, and that it was only mine. I wish I were right, but I guess they did change the paper. I love illo sketchbooks and I hope they realise their mistake and change it back! Awesome video btw :)
Nope it seems to be in all newer 2019 sketchbooks and its so sad... I'll email the company and show them this video as proof that something has changed! Rin (drawingwiffwaffles) was the first one to tell me it was different and I refused to believe her haha xD Maybe the newer model that is on pre-order now will be changed again? :D Crossing my fingers we can fix this!
@@DinaNorlund This is what I am hoping because I bought a 2 pack on pre-order last month because I loved how they looked in so many people's videos and it seemed like a great multi-media illustration option :'(
Same I was just using mine last night and I noticed the freckles and since it was my first time purchasing Illo sketchbooks and I’m a little upset that I got two of them when this is going on 😔
Is there anyway to get the old ones :(?
You could use the freckles as an advantage in your drawings. The unicorn looks really pretty with the freckles.
Wow that's a very huge and obvious difference. Hopefully they can figure this out and fix it for the next batch of sketchbooks.
Same! crossing my fingers for the company because I'll continue to use this sketchbook forever if they fix it
also forgot to mention: i love love LOVED the speed sketching!! i always get so sad when things get cut, i hope you do it for more videos!!! (i also understand that it's probably time consuming and stuff to edit more things but i personally would not complain if there was more speed stuff instead of just completely cutting it out)
It's so sad... I was starting to warm up to the idea of getting one of these or the smaller one eventually, but I don't think I could risk it. They are quite expensive (and shipping to Canada literally doubles the price).
I hope they go make to the original paper! Love the video!
#earlysquad
Same! I'm going to send them an email and ask :D Thank youu
wowwww! i nearly bought one yesterday, so that makes 2 reasons why im glad i didnt go through with it! 1st and major reason i withheld is because the shipping cost to the UK said it would come out to $53.95, making the total $68.19.... like what the heck is that about?!!! for one 8x8 sketchbook that is craaaazy steep!
Thank you for making this video! I've been thinking about getting an illo sketch book and had heard the rumor of them changing it. This was very helpful to me! Loved the artwork! I always love your color skemes! Keep up the good work!💕
Thank you for watching! Definitley a problem that needs to be fixed.. You can still use them ofc but its so sad that the watercolour seems to react to the paper now :( But thank you
No one:
Dina: *touch*
Man I hope they’ll listen to the community and try to figure out what’s different at least :/ instead of just denying anything has changed
Maybe! Hopefully this video makes them pay attention to it at least :)
And they have. Which is kinda impressive
Nocturne Works Yeah and I’m really glad! It makes me respect illo as a company so much more now.
Maybe it's not them but it's the trees
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It's good to see that a few TH-cam artists are starting to say the same now about these Illo sketchbooks. It's helpful for us sketchbook hunters 👍😊
I'm thinking they made the paper slightly cream colored to help "sketches" stand out more but by doing so.... It's reduced the paper quality sadly.
Lovely illustration 👍😊
Cream?? They look pretty much the same to me :D Might be the light and camera angle haha
I hope it’s fixed soon too 😊
I just got my new one and was happy to find the paper no longer freckles, or for me at least soooo 👍
I actually can’t believe that the illo’s founder responded to Dina. This is so polite and wonderful of him and the illo company
I know right! :D So suprised but very happy
I noticed mine performed differently than yours and rin's. I'm pretty sure it's the paper and I'm really disappointed.
Loving your sciency approache on the topic. So informing
I love how you gets lost within the art midsentence to figure out the changes it shows you're really focused on the differences
I'm a big believer in making my own sketchbooks... you have complete control over everything- size, shape, paper... I just made two more for myself this week, a 3"x9" and a 6"x9". I love both of them!
I'm so glad you did this video- I was just literally looking on amazon and seriously considering getting a few illo sketchbooks and people /were/ saying it was different.
Thanks for testing to make sure!
(*´꒳`*)
Yay you are welcome! I'm pretty sad it was true though xD I will continue to use the one I have but I really cross my fingers they fix this.. going to send them an email haha
Shane dawson if he did art ( conspiracy theory )🤣😂😊😋
Omg yesss
OH NOES! Thank you for the comparison. I hate it when paper does that, I've seen quite a few suffer from this freckling. Sometimes my watercolor papers don't have an even layer of sizing on the surface and it does this too. Booo :(
Oh no really? freckling in other sketchbooks or just illo? :0
@@DinaNorlund sadly more than just illo. I had it happen in sketchbooks with mediocre paper like moleskine, but also in nicer ones like my Strathmore and Bee sketchbooks made for watercolors too :/
I have a draw & wash pad thing meant for inks & watercolour, it’s basically just watercolour paper. Sometimes it does this and it makes me so sad :(
Can you PLEASE do a sketchbook tour!!!!!! Your art is really good :)
Wow, you really did a great job with this video. And You may have really helped the illo company, by bringing this to there attention. I too like this sketchbook & am very grateful to you for letting us see this info. I will be waiting for illo to resolve the issue B4 I purchase another one. It seems as though they are very concerned & grateful to know what has happened as well. It makes me like the company even more that they were speedy in getting back to you, & there response to the issue. So we will keep our fingers crossed that they can get things back to normal, & we can all keep getting the sketchbooks we had come to love. TYFS
So glad you did this, I thought I was going crazy! 😜 Hopefully it transitions back at some point 🤞🏻
I just adore your personality ❤️❤️❤️❤️ your art is so amazing too!
Aw thank you
I didn’t have an original Illo sketchbook because they sold out before I could get one, but I ordered one immediately when they came back in stock and mine DEFINITELY gets speckles with watercolor. I tried several brands of watercolor with mine and every one of them got the speckles. I’ve just been using markers in mine, but I’m so disappointed because I bought it specifically because of how pretty watercolors looked in these sketchbooks on various artists’ channels.
I’ll wait for your video of the new version/edition before buying it. Thank you for sharing this with us :)
hi dina! love your vids! your voice and your accent are so soothing and love playing these videos while i work!
Yay thank you so much! Happy to keep you company hehe
aaaaa i get so excited when you upload!!! loved the unicorns as always and shame about the paper, but i'm glad your okay with it and willing to work with it so i hope that goes well!!
I'll try and work with it! :D Stil I will be messaging illo and see what they say
i really hope they use the old paper again. great video!
Saaame! Thank you! :D
This I suspect may be a sizing issue looking at the level of seepage to the back of the page. All paper has some degree of size due to the binder used to bond the fibers - then additional sizing is added either at the pulp stage, to the surface at pressing or both depending on it's intended purpose. Drawing papers are usually surface sized to provide a hard surface and tooth as well as preventing ink feathering. Cartridge papers intended to stand up to a wide variety of media will usually be internally sized too. I suspect this is not the case here based on how absorbent the paper becomes once the surface sizing has dissolved. There has also been a trend to move away from traditional gelatin size to appease the vegans. Some of these vegan friendly sizings, often starch based, I do not think work as well as a surface size with wet media.
This is my first time using a illo sketchbook and I have the exact same one that you have on the right. I have not used water colors but I use copics and I've seen Drawingwiffwaffles use illos, that's why I wanted to test it out, and bought one. I've been trying to finish my current sketchbook, an canson mix media XL sketchbook. That's been one of my favorite brands so far. Now I can't wait to try out my first illo sketchbook.
Something thats SUPER interesting to watch is around thirteen minutes - 13:01 - there's a lone freckle on the OG paper - right above the crease line of the thigh, but if you watch it while you are colouring in the new page's rump, it slowly fades out. By 13:41 that spot is completely gone. I wonder if this is something to do with the paper being somewhat resistant to water - like those little freckles are happening because the fibers around that spot are more hydrophobic than the freckled part? But on the old paper it seems to accept the water eventually/more easily, whereas on the newer one maybe the water and pigment are getting stuck there because of inconsistencies in the paper itself?
No matter what... your unicorn is absolutely precious, and whats happening with the paper is bonkerdonkers. I see that the company replied, hopefully they get it all sorted.
This is actually really interesting, because I’ve been preparing to do a paper comparison of the sketchbooks I normally use, the hand•book travelogue, because I recently noticed after buying a new one that speedball bought the company, and I was curious if the paper has changed. I have a suspicion that it may have.
The one thing that really concerns me about your test is that the color bled through to the back of the page. Darn.
I liked the reaction of the right sketch book!
I think you can learn from that reaction for your advantages of how to handle it and make beautiful things.
Thank you so much for making this video and contacting the company! I was so disappointed when my new sketchbook wasn't working like my old one from last year, especially since illo says nothing changed! I'm not just crazy hahaha
haha you are welcome! I haven't actually contacted them yet, they just replied to the video before i could haha xD
Yes! I'm not crazy! Lol! Thank you so much for doing this side by side video comparison!💜💜💜
I’m gonna be honest, I think that the freckling is really pretty. It gives your drawing a lot of texture that the first one lacks, and it also makes the creatures skin seem a little more rough and real! Love both though ❤️
It's cool to hear your thoughts on this sketchbook. I haven't actually tried the Illo sketchbooks before, but it's not good that they have seemed to make such a drastic change to it! :O Hopefully they go back to the older design!
It's seems they will look into it which is great :D Thank you
I'm glad to see that illo responded so quickly.
I know! I was quite shocked to see them commenting AND replying to people just 2 hours after the video went live :) Gives me some hope
I recommend the Bee Paper mixed media sketchbook! It's 100% cotton and it takes watercolor really well.
Looks nice! I think I just have a preference to not have spiral bound books and I tend to shred them haha
I personally don’t do much watercolor. As long as it still works with copic markers and pencils, I’m all good! I’d be super interested in seeing you test the differences with alcohol markers!
Same here, bought two after seeing Rin use them and loved them. Later bought two more and these behave very differently. I am glad they will be looking into it because I did really love this paper.
Yup same! I'm excited to see what happens with the new ones
Thank you for this video!!! I live in Canada so it’s VERY expensive to get these books. I don’t like how the paper warped... I will likely not be buying these anytime soon.
Yeah, I got a sketchbook because of how it handled watercolor since I like to do light washes here and there. It freckled immediately. Which confused me because so many people with the old ones said it didn't. Sadly I ended up with 3 of them-- two I plan to use since they still handle inks very well. The other I am giving away with a warning :/ I really like them for the 8x8 size. And the square. It just... makes me so happy. (RETRACTED), I see they state officially they did not change it-- I can accept that, but there is a clear quality issue. Which I see they are investigating and hopefully can shed some light on. I am no expert by aaaaany means, but it seems to react violently with water in particular, so I wonder if there is a sealant portion of the paper or something that did not get to settle properly, or was exposed to something like heat/ moisture/ etc etc. Hard to tell without knowing the recipe. Won't lie, I just thought I had a bad book-- two in fact. I heard Rin mention it and that got me thinking as well.
My first illo does the freckling thing too. I got mine in January I believe. It's still a great sketchbook but watercolor is not the best media on the paper. I still love my illo I just know it's not the best for watercolor. I hope they get to the bottom of it I'd love to use my watercolors in my illo! They have great customer service so I'm sure they will figure it out!
I have not used an illo sketchbook before but I have noticed a similar problem with the Canson XL sketchbooks. I normally use the mixed media version of the sketchbook, originally the first ones I used took watercolor really well and it was great. but the recent ones I have used hadn't handed the watercolor the same. The watercolor dried more spotted and was bleeding through the paper. Very similar to your problems with this book. Maybe it's just a bad batch or two. Either way it is very disappointing so I can understand that feeling. Hopefully, the next batch of the Illo sketchbooks turns out alright!
Omg I ‘m Sick for a week now and this video made my day
Yay happy to make your day a little bit better/chiller :) Get better soon!
I've been wanting to get one. I am pretty sure that I won't mind the speckles.
Oof! I bought one a bit ago but I don’t plan on using watercolor in it at all after seeing this, those freckles would absolutely drive me crazy. I’ll still use my current one with other mediums and seeing that the Founder is trying to fix this I look forward to buying another in its original glorious state!
hmm interesting. I had seen other people complain about the freckling so wasn't surprised about the results but its good to see a comparison between the old sketchbook and the new :)
I’ve had two illo’s previous to the new one and they never freckled like my third one
Beautiful Creature Design in your paper!!!
I have a feeling that you would like the stillman and birn zeta series sketchbook, it’s smooth like the illo sketchbook but it’s a much thicker stronger paper. So I would love to see you do a review on that!
I was watching the way she painted the rump of the unicorn on the right. She did go quite hard on the paper and you relies if that's something you know could cause freckling.
Strathmore mixed media for watercolor sketchbook. Will take watercolor both sides of paper with no bleed. Not alcohol markers tho.
Yay Friday video!!!
Yeeesss
I bought this sketch book because of you an Rin. I thought it was user error or I got a defective one. I’m happy that Illo is going to get to the bottom of this. It makes the freckles a little better! Lol
Yess I'll make a follow up when they release the new one! :D
I think their paper supplier is the same as moleskine's, because I expertienced the exact same paper change issue in them. They have this strange freckling.
There's definitely either less sizing, or different sizing applied in this paper. It may just be an issue with manufacturer quality control and they aren't making consistent paper sizing production technique batch to batch. Hopefully future batches are corrected.
I am so glad you did this ....... there are several artists that I follow that swear by this sketch book so I purchased some this year and all of my watercolors are freckled just like yours in the ones purchased this year. I had to use gouache in mine finally because my watercolors all looked horrid with the paper freckles. I will be contacting them because I purchased like 4 of them and they are horrible...........
it doesn't just happen sometimes it happened on every one of my paintings in the book til I switched to gouache
The same happened to me when I was using my strathmore 400 watercolor sketchbook with the koi paints but it didn’t happen I used some the cotman. The koi’s were in pans and the cotman were in tubes so there might of been a difference between the two but I’m not sure. Regardless it’s definitely a lot more common then someone would think.
Hi! I was wondering if you'd re-tried an illo sketchbook recently, and whether it is worth buying one? This video is so so helpful! And your art is so beautiful. Thank you :D
Man, wish i can get one. Well gotta continue improving my art!!#earlysquad
Maybe one day! :D Keep drawing
Everyone just draws in one sketchbook at a time, meanwhile I have 5 sketchbooks going at once
To me, it looks like the same paper, but they got some with inconsistent sizing. If there are parts that are sized differently, the same amount of water/scrubbing would cause drastically different absorption rates, and could definitely cause damage to the paper with minimal working. It's very possible that illo's manufacturer/paper suppliers had a bad/inconsistent batch at some point. :/
darn, that sucks, I just ordered two of these, but it doesnt affect that much as I don't use watercolor that often, so that's great. This is a beautiful piece, by the way!
I'm so upset. Im having the freckle problem severely in mine. Like huge freckles. I've tagged illo and sent them stuff. No comment from them.
(I did it nicely). I really hope you sending this video does something.
Oh share with me the pictures please! I might tag them in the email :) But thats horrible you have the problem as well...
i know this is an old video, but does anyone know if this issue has been fixed?
I heard that the paper in the illo-sketchbook isn't acid free? Which is a problem because of preservation of the artwork inside? This video was really helpful though
@monica taylor thanks for clarifying that totally sucks ):
This appeared in the perfect moment!! 💜💙💜💙
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@@DinaNorlund Thank you for the video! You've always motivate me to keep drawing!! 💙💜
I actually like how the "defective" one handled the paint better. The way the paint blended and some of the speckles made it look cool to me. But I get how it's disappointing and confusing to get something different that what you expected.
Yup! I think if I got the defective one first I wouldnt mind too much, it's just the difference that is annoying :)
Ugh. That sucks. Obviously, something changed because the color of the paper is slightly off. Even if illo doesn't say they made a change, I think maybe something did without their knowledge. I feel the same way with the Strathmore 300 Series watercolor paper. I bought a pack for the first time and absolutely loved it, it was thick and I could put a lot of water on it and the paper would still be firm. But when I ran out and bought another pack, it was so different. I'm talking like, obvious differences, it was thinner, it would bend differently and warp more, and when I layered watercolor it would react differently, also the texture was different and flatter. UGH. Anyway, I hope you find another sketchbook that takes watercolor well!
Love you thx for this I needed it😍
Yay you are very welcome
Annnnnd I now don't want to try Illo.... thank u for this video, I am glad I got to see if the pages freckled. So sorry about your beautiful unicorn. It's still beautiful, but I can understand why you feel sad.
I've had the same problem with this run of the sketchbooks too. Except it's been with markers. My markers gave that same speckling effect, but over a large area of color. It was really noticeable with skin tone promarkers, I thought maybe it was just the brand, but alcohol is alcohol, so that shouldn't have been the issue, I tested it out on my usual maker paper that I use it on, and looked at my old illo (pre 2019 as well), and yeah the effect it makes on the new sketchbook is really gross to look at...
I think I'm going back to my usual sketchbook after this.... ugh, so many pages to fill
What thats crazy! I though markers were ok :0 thats not good...
I love the creature it's so pretty
Aw thank you! :D
@@DinaNorlund man I wish I could get a illo 8x8 but I can't find one they look really cool
Hopefully this is fixed by now when I decide to get one
My sketchbook soaks up water like tissue paper, so I get a LOT of freckling. I think it might not have happened on the head, because the area is smaller. And for some reason some colours create a lot of freckling while others do none. I mostly have to be very quick and let it dry between every layer. And honestly, I just got used to spotty paintings. It's only sketches after all...
Edit: That also happened to my favourite sketchbook. I could use watercolour without any problems and in the new ones it freckles. (The one I'm using now is a completely different one.)
How strange! And yes we definitley hav eto keep in mind that is a sketchbook and it's not supposed to be masterpieces :) I guess its just a shock when it reacts really differently and weird!
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I sort of like the freckles, not very convenient but the give sort of texture and makes something so smooth look real
its been doing the same thing to me. the only way I can use watercolor is watercolor pencils seems to not do it as bad.
I just got my first illo sketch book, and I was really excited to use watercolors in it, but not so much anymore... 😞
I was going to get an illo sketch book so I could practice with watercolor pencils that I haven't used yet, but I might try to find a different one or wait until I hear that illo has gone back to the previous quality.
Saaaame, at least wait until I do a follow up video to this one haha
Yay! A new vid!
So unfortunate! D: I've seen this freckling effect on poor quality papers elsewhere (adult coloring book "Pop Manga Mermaids" as an example), and it's the worst. It seems to be small bits of the paper pulp itself absorbing pigment differently to the rest of the paper, and I am so sad these sketchbooks are bad now when they were fine before!
I love your channel so much! Thanks for comparing these two together. I hope they figure out what's going on with the art book, cause the new one is yuck! D:
Get a pentalic aquajournal. They are a million times better. Or just start using proper watercolour paper. Each your beautiful pieces deserves to stand alone or possibly be sold/framed anyway :)
Ooo I'll check them out! Is it hot pressed? :D
@@DinaNorlund They are 300gsm cold press watercolor paper. Very little texture though (I've often sketched in pencil and/or used colour pencils on top of my watercolour work with them). I also find it easy to do ink/link work on that paper. Easily the best commonly sold watercolour sketchbook that I've found.
I would imagine the illo is minimally sized (despite not being made for watercolour,) and this looks to be a sizing issue - either faulty sizing or a change in formulation or even less sizing.
Ooh I don't know teqnical stuff, thats interesting!
Ugh, this is the second time I've gotten into a sketchbook and they've changed the paper on me! My Canson XL Mixed Media paper got thinner and doesn't take water as well at ALL and now Illo? This is depressing, lol.
i got mine a few months ago and was really excited to try it... when i saw it do this it was so upsetting. but im gad to know its not just me
the paper accepts ink and colored pencil well enough so i will use it and fill it up, but i will have to find a sketchbook for my watercolor practice elsewhere
Yup thats what Rin said and is doing as well! Hopefully it will get fixed
I thought about this sketchbook but I always go back to stillman and birn there zeta series is great and they came out with square sizes now but nice art either way
I love the format of these sketchbooks, being square and the rounded corners, but I don’t see myself getting one, mostly because of the fact they aren’t acid free so they’ll likely yellow or deteriorate over time; but I also have a bit more of a heavy hand with my mixed media stuff anyways, I really like the canson xl mix media, maybe I’ll chop one of them to make it square haha
Jake Wait Art They actually make paper cutters that just round corners, if you really want that aspect to your paper you might consider it.
Maybe! I haven't considered the yellowing thing actually, I guess Im just less precious with my sketchbook art :P
Hrmm. May be an issue with the sizing, if that is something used in this mill’s process. Or, something in the process that just didn’t quite get the fibers to quite stick together right. Might be a fun experiment to cut out a sheet in each book and try to wet ‘stretch’ it?
Aw man, I really was thinking about buying an illo sketchbook for just normal sketching & watercolour. Seems like I won't do that now. Thanks for the review. If anyone knows of a sketchbook with is similar (like, takes watercolour but has not too thick paper), please let me know. I'm desperately on the search for a new one.