heads up I'm probably going to remake this video in the future. I have a much stronger pc and can compare dolphin as well, and for some reason my new PC does not need to set the capture card to full range on OBS to get accurate colors
Does anyone else have audio distortion with the generic adapters? I've ordered two now they both sound bad. When you hit the home button its the worst.
@@Draconif It doesn't work like that. If the source outputs in limited, then the TV should be set to limited. Setting it to full will make it brighter but you're causing inaccurate colors. The Wii is only capable of RGB Limited range so your TV or monitor should be set to either auto or limited. This will most likely be called Black Level on your TV, in which case it should be Low but compare Low and Auto and if Auto always looks like Low, then you're good!
Two things: When you say 'set the generic/mayflash to full range', there is no setting on the device so you mean the TV? If you think your Electron Shepard adapter is defective, email them. I've emailed them before and they are quite helpful and would probably replace the adapter or tell you that is the Wii. You should test on a TV that has both Component and HDMI to compare.
@@depapepebarcelona3417 I had to check it out again. Sorry if I jump around here a bit. Do note that I am LOOKING HARD at the differences. You will most likely not notice a difference while playing. The Electron Shepherd definitely has a slight, but noticeable, edge. First, realize that these devices will not magically make you Wii crystal clear. Paring with an mClassic though does look pretty good. Some adapters do have fuzzier output and there are differences in color quality. I can see slightly better color quality with the Electron Shepherd but its hard to see much difference in picture clarity. Play with the Sharpness setting on your TV. With either adapter you will get less lag, even when between component and HDMI hookups on the same TV. (i.e. HDMI adapters can have less lag that the TVs own component inputs, though your mileage may vary). This video shows comparisons using a capture card which does not translate to what you see on the screen. This is a big thing to keep in mind! It also compares RGB Limited and Full Range. The Wii only outputs RGB Limited range so full range should not be used. I have a Samsung TV. The RGB setting is labeled Black Level. Low equals Limited, Normal equals Full. Auto does a good job recognizing the difference. The Mayflash doesn't allow you to change this setting because it is not capable of Full range which is actually a good thing. On the TV, the Black Level setting is grayed out. With the Electron Shepherd, you have access to change the range but it should not be on Full range/Normal Black Level. The Wii, even at full widescreen does not cover the whole screen so there is a black border around the screen. This could be different depending on the TV. With Low black level, that border is black and at Normal, it is gray. Limited range/Low Black Level is the best choice. If Limited/Low is too dark, adjust brightness and/or contrast instead of RGB range. Also check out RetroRGB's review on the Electron Shepherd. For lag tests he uses a device that measures the time between input (i.e. button press) and the screen's response time. He says that there is ZERO LAG with this device. Ultimately, for a few bucks more, go Electron Shepherd. I also have a Wii with an internal HDMI mod from them and they were very responsive and helpful with an issue I had (was my fault). Again though, the Mayflash isn't bad. I can't tell the difference where lag is concerned. The cheap devices, oh yeah. I have one, its only for testing purposes.
So this video is a little deceiving. Both are good adapters and pretty close to each other when using RGB Limited. The Wii outputs in RGB Limited Range only and so will any adapter. You should not just enable Full range to make the picture brighter. On TVs, this RGB Range should match with Black Level. Black Level Low = Limited, Normal = Full. Leaving this to Auto "should" do it but feel free to experiment. Also, only showcasing a dark game does not give the whole story. You should be comparing New SMB Wii as well. You might actually see that Full is too much. I actually went through this testing now having both adapters and both work about the same, giving a slight edge to the Electron Shepard. It is slightly darker in games like Metroid Prime but quite bright in NSMBW with better black. Also, this same Wii has an HDMI GCVideo mod which I can switch to RGB-Full but I stay with RGB-Limited. The Electron Shepard adapter is closer to the HDMI mod as is but darker. I have not tweaked the brightness settings in GCVideo.
I recently got a new PC and discovered I no longer have to set the capture card to full range anymore to get accurate colors. I'm not sure what changed.
@@Draconif Disclaimer, not an expert but I've learned a lot on this subject in the last few days and of course I check multiple sources. And having just gotten the Electron Shepard, I search for comparison videos. RGB range/black levels define were black starts and white finishes. Full range is 0 to 255 while limited range is 16 to 235. The Wii outputs its darkest black at 16. If the monitor/tv is set to full range, 16 is not the blackest black, its more gray. 235 is not the brightest white, 255 is. When the Wii pushes out the brightest white, its at 235. Something displaying at Limited range doesn't translate. Its not going to take that 16 and make 0 the darkest black and 255 the brightest white. If you have a Switch, you can better test this. This is what I did to compare. You can set the Switch to Auto, Limited or Full. Pick a games or games that have a wide range of bright colors and dark colors. SMB and Metroid Prime Remastered would be a good test. Compare what RGB Full and Black Level normal look against RGB Limited and Black Level Low. They will look pretty close. Now if you mix them, you get a darker than normal picture and a brighter than normal picture depending on the mix. What I did find interesting with my testing, the black level adjustment was grayed out with the Mayflash adapter but with the Electron Shepard, I could change them. Auto set black level to Low, Normal was too washed out. This means that TVs should be set to Auto or low black level or RGB limited for PC monitors which I assume the same holds true for capture cards. There are games that have a brightness calibration where you set the brightness to where you can barely see the image. I don't know of any Wii games that have this but I'd look at the Resident Evils or other horror games for the best chance.
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heads up I'm probably going to remake this video in the future. I have a much stronger pc and can compare dolphin as well, and for some reason my new PC does not need to set the capture card to full range on OBS to get accurate colors
Does anyone else have audio distortion with the generic adapters? I've ordered two now they both sound bad. When you hit the home button its the worst.
Good comparison vid, Mayflash Full tops everything, imo
The ElectronSheperd does look slightly better to me
@Draconif have you tested out the ElectronPulse - Playstation 2 and 3 from Electron Shepherd?
Thanks for this comparison man, I love you ❤
What do you mean by full range tho I thought the Wii was only capable of 16-235 rgb?
It is, but I believe the generic/mayflash adapters shrink the color range further, so setting it to full gives ot the correct color range back.
@@Draconif huh, good to know, I never tried it, I will definitely check it out.
@@Draconif It doesn't work like that. If the source outputs in limited, then the TV should be set to limited. Setting it to full will make it brighter but you're causing inaccurate colors. The Wii is only capable of RGB Limited range so your TV or monitor should be set to either auto or limited. This will most likely be called Black Level on your TV, in which case it should be Low but compare Low and Auto and if Auto always looks like Low, then you're good!
mayflash goated as always
Let's go with the Mayflash, as the Shepherd is just too expensive when shipping into Europe. I'm just not spending 40€ for a wii2hdmi.
Two things: When you say 'set the generic/mayflash to full range', there is no setting on the device so you mean the TV?
If you think your Electron Shepard adapter is defective, email them. I've emailed them before and they are quite helpful and would probably replace the adapter or tell you that is the Wii. You should test on a TV that has both Component and HDMI to compare.
Since you have firsthand experience with both the Mayflash and Electron Shepherd, which one do you personally recommend?
@@depapepebarcelona3417 I had to check it out again. Sorry if I jump around here a bit. Do note that I am LOOKING HARD at the differences. You will most likely not notice a difference while playing. The Electron Shepherd definitely has a slight, but noticeable, edge. First, realize that these devices will not magically make you Wii crystal clear. Paring with an mClassic though does look pretty good. Some adapters do have fuzzier output and there are differences in color quality. I can see slightly better color quality with the Electron Shepherd but its hard to see much difference in picture clarity. Play with the Sharpness setting on your TV. With either adapter you will get less lag, even when between component and HDMI hookups on the same TV. (i.e. HDMI adapters can have less lag that the TVs own component inputs, though your mileage may vary). This video shows comparisons using a capture card which does not translate to what you see on the screen. This is a big thing to keep in mind! It also compares RGB Limited and Full Range. The Wii only outputs RGB Limited range so full range should not be used. I have a Samsung TV. The RGB setting is labeled Black Level. Low equals Limited, Normal equals Full. Auto does a good job recognizing the difference. The Mayflash doesn't allow you to change this setting because it is not capable of Full range which is actually a good thing. On the TV, the Black Level setting is grayed out. With the Electron Shepherd, you have access to change the range but it should not be on Full range/Normal Black Level. The Wii, even at full widescreen does not cover the whole screen so there is a black border around the screen. This could be different depending on the TV. With Low black level, that border is black and at Normal, it is gray. Limited range/Low Black Level is the best choice. If Limited/Low is too dark, adjust brightness and/or contrast instead of RGB range. Also check out RetroRGB's review on the Electron Shepherd. For lag tests he uses a device that measures the time between input (i.e. button press) and the screen's response time. He says that there is ZERO LAG with this device. Ultimately, for a few bucks more, go Electron Shepherd. I also have a Wii with an internal HDMI mod from them and they were very responsive and helpful with an issue I had (was my fault). Again though, the Mayflash isn't bad. I can't tell the difference where lag is concerned. The cheap devices, oh yeah. I have one, its only for testing purposes.
@@GiSWiG Thanks, I really appreciate the insight. Now I just have to makeup mind.
So this video is a little deceiving. Both are good adapters and pretty close to each other when using RGB Limited. The Wii outputs in RGB Limited Range only and so will any adapter. You should not just enable Full range to make the picture brighter. On TVs, this RGB Range should match with Black Level. Black Level Low = Limited, Normal = Full. Leaving this to Auto "should" do it but feel free to experiment. Also, only showcasing a dark game does not give the whole story. You should be comparing New SMB Wii as well. You might actually see that Full is too much. I actually went through this testing now having both adapters and both work about the same, giving a slight edge to the Electron Shepard. It is slightly darker in games like Metroid Prime but quite bright in NSMBW with better black. Also, this same Wii has an HDMI GCVideo mod which I can switch to RGB-Full but I stay with RGB-Limited. The Electron Shepard adapter is closer to the HDMI mod as is but darker. I have not tweaked the brightness settings in GCVideo.
I recently got a new PC and discovered I no longer have to set the capture card to full range anymore to get accurate colors. I'm not sure what changed.
@@Draconif Disclaimer, not an expert but I've learned a lot on this subject in the last few days and of course I check multiple sources. And having just gotten the Electron Shepard, I search for comparison videos. RGB range/black levels define were black starts and white finishes. Full range is 0 to 255 while limited range is 16 to 235. The Wii outputs its darkest black at 16. If the monitor/tv is set to full range, 16 is not the blackest black, its more gray. 235 is not the brightest white, 255 is. When the Wii pushes out the brightest white, its at 235. Something displaying at Limited range doesn't translate. Its not going to take that 16 and make 0 the darkest black and 255 the brightest white. If you have a Switch, you can better test this. This is what I did to compare. You can set the Switch to Auto, Limited or Full. Pick a games or games that have a wide range of bright colors and dark colors. SMB and Metroid Prime Remastered would be a good test. Compare what RGB Full and Black Level normal look against RGB Limited and Black Level Low. They will look pretty close. Now if you mix them, you get a darker than normal picture and a brighter than normal picture depending on the mix. What I did find interesting with my testing, the black level adjustment was grayed out with the Mayflash adapter but with the Electron Shepard, I could change them. Auto set black level to Low, Normal was too washed out. This means that TVs should be set to Auto or low black level or RGB limited for PC monitors which I assume the same holds true for capture cards. There are games that have a brightness calibration where you set the brightness to where you can barely see the image. I don't know of any Wii games that have this but I'd look at the Resident Evils or other horror games for the best chance.
doesnt work.