The call with Jasmine was just so satisfying by the fact you all just picked out her BS and exposed it, thank you so much for your time on this. Overall I'm so thankful for your thoughts Armin and I appreciate so much, always straight to point and never letting the BS run past yourselves
Butterflies live under the ground The sky is green. Waters go up. Pens go left. Cars walk. - Nonsense Poetry by Armin Navabi - in response to Nonsense by Jasmin.
I don’t think Jasmine understands the show. She’s preaching and the show is primarily for stating what one believes, why they believe it, and then have a discussion about that. She couldn’t even get the first part down because she was preaching. Then she wondered why she “wasn’t allowed to have a discussion.”
Poor Jasmine called in thinking she would give our hosts the business, and it turned out to be clearly the first time she was challenged to create a coherent and comprehensible thought about her beliefs. She couldn't understand that debatable ideas were expected of her and that our hosts weren't simply going to let her preach.
I honestly don't know if they handled the Jasmine call as well as they could. They spoke for the audience (good) but didn't really speak to her (bad). i.e. Armin said "you said a claim" and then followed up with "you didn't say anything." ???? She did say something. I think you confused her, frankly.
@@timdaniels3776she was here to preach, not to have an honest conversation and promptly dismissed. She had her time and wasted it preaching. Nope, good riddance 😊
I always found the "fake it till you make it" strategy concerning. Especially when you consider that one of the ten commandments was "Thou shalt not take the lords name in vain."
Big hugs, I sleep better after watching your show. Because it lets me know people care. I and sometimes I just listened to it at night when I can't sleep. I love it and thank you.❤
What I love most is that Rick starts to make a point for cherry picking right after that lol. No, your book is worthless until you have proven that it isn't. Even when it somewhere appears to line up with the the idea of some atheists.
Provide a rational definition for the word female. Otherwise I'll come to the conclusion you haven't thought gender faith out and you only believe whatever your cult leaders tell you to believe.
Rick. Ricky. Rickford. Frank Turek is not the slam dunk you think he is. He provides no evidence of why his timeless entity exists, or why it must be the Christian one.
I bet if the idea of the supernatural aka the origins of Life popping into existence because of a non intelligent occurrence wasn't so completely illogical atheism wouldn't be a disbelief it would actually be a belief system. I haven't heard one good argument for Life popping into existence because of a non intelligent occurrence. Matter of fact the vast majority of atheists that I've talked to don't even believe the origins of Life came into existence without creation, without God ,do you? If so please provide evidence to why you believe that. The only atheist I've heard give an explanation to why he believes in the supernatural aka the idea of the origins of Life came into existence without God was Richard Dawkins. He said he believes everything popped/ came into existence from nothingness. I couldn't think of an explanation that was more magical. And the countless atheist on the threads that were calling him a genius for that argument with stunning to say the least. I have a sneaky suspicion that Richard Dawkins doesn't actually believe that he probably made a bet with one of his friends that he can argue the most ridiculous thing that he can think of and he could still get atheist to call him a genius for the ridiculous argument and if he made that bet he won .
@@Kimjong-Atheism no one says life just “popped into existence” from out of nowhere, like you’re trying to say. Your incredulity isn’t proof it was intelligent. We can’t detect anything supernatural. We shouldn’t assume something exists if we can’t detect it. Once we can detect something supernatural, that would be a time to believe it exists.
New god: Red Herring, a giant red fish that swims outside of our universe in the timeless sea, who has access to our universe and intentionally misleads us for food as part of a larger unknown cosmic game.
With the Rick call, perhaps they’ll get to it since I’m only at 45:32, but the Universe isn’t “winding down.” There’s dark energy that’s accelerating it if anything.
Wow....Jasmine....it must suck running nose-first into the fact that you've internalized mutually exclusive talking points without bothering to recognize them aa such, on live "tv"... there's probably a lesson in there: think first, then do (or say)
Armin is wrong. I wouldn't worship a god for any reason because the concept of worship is anathema to my values. Nothing should be worshipped. Any entity that demanded worship would not deserve it, a priori.
Whether something deserves worship or should be worshipped is really just a matter of opinion at the end of the day. Theists wanna tell it like it’s a cold hard fact that their favorite gods deserve worship, but even if I agree with them that wouldn’t make it some objective facet of true reality.
If the gods on offer could be proven to me sufficient enough to accept the reality, I could be brought to a point of fear, but that fear would never translate to worship.
Interesting how much I disagree with Armin on his worship point too. I’m with SR on this one. The diety would know exactly WHY I’m worshipping and know it was for self preservation. This is ironically one of my arguments with theists. They worship for self preservation and the deity will know. I’m surprised Armin seems to believe he could trick an all knowing entity…..I get that he doesn’t assert all knowing but in the hypotheticals I’m presented it’s always a god that’s been presented in a story and attributes are known about the god.
But you assume this deity gives a crap about the motivation to worship, the Bible doesn't seem to show that, Yehwah seems super down with indoctrination and hypocrisy.
Next god: Mitra Hejazipour, talented Iranian chess grandmaster expelled and exiled for not wearing a head scarf. She's got the foresight the world actually needs.
... be ready to have a reason for your faith? The POINT is atheists don't have FAITH period. Faith is NOT belief!! Faith is not about TRUTH. Faith is what you have in the absence of evidence, or when not being given the truth. Gr8! Peace ☮💜Love
Faith can definitely be belief noun: faith 1. complete trust or confidence in someone or something. "this restores one's faith in politicians" Similar: trust belief confidence conviction credence reliance dependence optimism hopefulness hope expectation Opposite: mistrust 2. strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof. "bereaved people who have shown supreme faith"
For ‘worship me’ Armin hears ‘submit to me’ and SR hears ‘love’ me’. Armin is right that under threat we would likely submit, but SE is right, cannot make yourself love nor deceive the god.
One does have a choice then., submit, and keep loving a life of falseness, knowing every day that you have no principals, or die, ending your life, knowing that you at the very least was true to yourself. If you have children depending on you , the issue changes dramatically.
@@Goldenhawk583 In the case of an ultimatum from a real person you say whatever you need to do stay safe. Doesn’t matter if you mean it. In the case of an ultimatum from an all knowing god there’s nothing you can do since it’s impossible to deceive them. Doesn’t matter if you behave as they instruct, if you don’t really love them, you’re stuffed. You can submit, but if you think they are an arsehole you go to hell anyway.
@@doubriewotsit4090 not true. If someone asked me to tell them where my jewelry is, on gunpoint, shre, I would tell them, My life is worth more than some gems and gold. But, if someone demanded to know where my daughters were, Id be shot, willingly. Death is nothing to fear. I dont want it right now, but it is not something I would avoid at any cost. My children are worth more to me than I am. Edit, good thing gods are not real, and hell is just a sich fantasy in the mind of religious people then::) And thank you for pointing out that the real reason people go to hell.. is for not believing, or not being obedient enough. And that means noone goes to heaven, because you cant love someone you have never met, those who claim to love god, loves their imagined god ( can be very honest ), but they are bound to fail at one or more points, and hence, love another god, NOT the one they think they love. For many parents, it is also impossible to love god more than they love their children, that is a death sentence, allthough some are very willing to leave or kill their children if their god told them so.,. which is really scary.
@@Goldenhawk583 ok, same thing, you tell them whatever you need to- extend safe to whoever you want, or whatever outcome is important to you. Point is with a person it’s about what you say or do. With an all knowing god it’s what you actually think or feel that matters and that we have no control over.
@@doubriewotsit4090 ok, yes, I agree an all knowing god would know id be lying. An allknowing god would have known this from the moment he decided to create me that way, so an allknowing god would then have created me for hell... and people worShip monstroseties like this.. its shocking:P
Probably just *MY* bias, but when SR went through his spiel about being open minded and said "but I don't think it'll happen" in contrast to the caller's response, I still felt SR was being open minded, whereas the caller was chuckling at the novelty of considering other ideas.
@@xmillion1704 😅Thanks. Not sure if this is my first time. I may have gotten #1 once before, possibly. I know I see your name quite often on the list. Do you have an estimate on the number of times yours got picked? Just curious.
@@queuecee lol Oh, my dude, you have no idea how stupidly proud and serious I've become about this stuff. I can only liken it to when Nathan Johnson finds his name in the phone book for the very first time. (In "The Jerk".) I've even begun cataloguing this shit. While I've taken #1 on AXP only once, with my very first submission ever, I've earned #2 three times and #3, four times. I've had more success on TH with #1, seven times, #2, six times and #3, twice. Sorry, so in answer to your question, yes, 23 times, eight on AXP and 15 on TH going back to AXP episode 27.28. lol
@@queuecee BTW I've begrudgingly (lol) become a fan of yours, due to your always thoughtful and often witty, contributions to the conversations in general here, in spite of how awkward our first interaction was for me. (Edit: I'd be truly shocked if it was one which you were able to recall.)
@xmillion1704 Hmmm... I don't remember getting into any tiff with you. But I know I can be flippant sometimes and humor gets lost in the comments. I was making a joke to some guy who talked about how his friend looked like one of the hosts. And I jokingly said that he has never seen both in the same room. And he got PO'ed. And when I made a video joking about UK people not getting jokes, someone else got upset.😅 Anyway, my apologies if I rubbed you the wrong way. But I appreciate your kind comment about enjoying what I post.
Simulation Theory (as in ST:TNG "Elementary, Dear Data" and "Ship in a Bottle", *not* "The Matrix") has utility in precisely one scenario: A theist says to you: "Creation requires a Creator." You may summon Simulation Theory and respond: "If you say so. But it is *infinitely* more probable that the creator is a sleep-deprived research assistant working late in some university's Comp Sci lab, than it is some eternal, uncreated, omniscient, omnipotent deity."
Chronicles of narnia is a collection of books. (Yes yes i know its very christian based but its the only large book that is a collection of books on my shelf right now lol) Dont see how a collection of books is a point of truth 🤷
_"Have You Looked into Frank Turek Yet?"_ is right up there with _"Are You Familiar With A Canadian Psychologist Named Jordan Peterson?"_ as the lousiest atheist convention pickup lines ever. And that's after exhaustive research. Of course. Ahem.
While I can’t say for sure what I would say under threat of eternal torture, I would have to agree with SR in not seeing god as worthy of worship and not being sincere even if I was forced to say that I worshipped whatever god it was. 1:08:12 loved that argument though 🤣🤣
Heck, every pantheist. What she was talking about really reminds me of the way a lot of pantheists I know talk about their beliefs. (Often they really _will_ say that "Yeah, God _is_ in that pen and that wall, etc," and I'm just like "So ... God is just ... stuff? That exists? That we already have other words for?") I'm curious whether Jasmine is one of those "everything is connected" types. I would love to hear that convo go down, cause I have yet to hear a reasonable answer to "How so, and if that's true, what makes that concept God and not just general connectedness?"
ChatGOD, the god of AI. Anything you ask, like what is the orgin of life or the universe, it can answer it all. Except all the answers are: "Goddunit."
@0:00 SR opens with rant about the importance of separation of religion and government. @4:48 The hosts discuss critical thinking vs the utility of positive feelings. @6:38 The top three Share Your Experience submissions are revealed. @11:05 New prompt: Create the next god. Armin's response is detailed. @17:25 Jasmine: Pantheist? "Pandering" for Jesus Ugh! Evidently, "God is a trainwreck." @32:40 Superchats @36:20 Bat Cruise announcement. @37:00 Rick: Theist creation smuggler - Typical theist confusion regarding atheism and cosmology. @50:13 Still Rick's call but a great Armin anti-scriptural rant and Rick's subsequent defensive claims. @54:00 Still Rick's call. Mutual challenge: "If my/our side was proved, would you convert?" Evolved into, "If god exists would you worship?" @1:01:55 After the call, Armin contentiously continued discussion of whether to worship or not, challenging SR, resulting in poll of Armin vs SR. @1:05:30 More superchats and announcements. @1:08:18 Abdur Islamist (more like dizzlamist) - Promotes three reasons Islam is correct. Armin totally dismantles his arguments. @1:32:40 CREW CAM! and superchats. @1:39:20 Steve: wants to discuss 2nd Law of Information dynamics, quantum wave function, simulation etc. @2:01:50 Email bemoaning hosts "monologuing".
@@The-Last-RainQuite a trick since the Muslim didn't start speaking until around 1.08.40. And then proceeded to have his ass handed to him. He claimed the Quran had been perfectly preserved, Armin showed him unequivocally that that is untrue. So did SR - the Sanaa palimpsest, I just looked it up, it shows the "perfect preservation" claim to be a lie, pure and simple. I must have missed the bit where Abdur "destroyed" anybody... what are you talking about?
@@chrisgrill6302 Ignoramus. The Sanaa Manuscript doesnt refute preservation. We know there were variants (the ahruf). The dialects, besides the qurayshi one, were destroyed during the time of uthman since there were was no need for them. So one harf (qurayshi harf) was left, and all qira'at (styles of reciting today, warsh, hafs, etc...) trace back to this one harf. But there is no difference in overall meaning even with non-uthmanic manuscripts. And the manuscripts show conformity, and even Non Muslim scholars accept the preservation of the qur'an, not to mention we dont even need manuscripts. the quran has been memorized since the time of the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wasalam) by multiple companions, and this traces back today with millions of Muslims having memorized the quran, and they can recite the entire quran to you without a book in front of them.
Elliot (SR) seems like such a kind, warm patient person! You have such a lovely joyful personality making it a joy to listen to. Armin speak with so much passion and conviction, and I love that! Thanks for all your energy and humour Armin! SUPERHUGGS to you both!!
I understand Jasmine’s commitment to biblical prohibitions against women thinking, but if she’s gonna stick to that she should also obey the biblical prohibitions against women speaking. Either do both or do neither.
Anyone invoking the second law of thermodynamics as evidence for creation or simulation just hasn't understood it. Brian Green's book titled Until The End Of Time is a very good book to understand it.
I absolutely enjoyed watching this, Armin had me cracking tf up 😂 I'm at the tale end of my deconstruction process and it is now my mission to find every video Armin is in tearing apart stupid claims 🎉💜💚
I fall into SR's camp. If i had sufficient evidence that god exists, i would accept it. I would not worship it, however. I know this because during my deconversion, i stopped worshipping god before i stopped believing in him. While reading the Bible, i came to the conclusion that god was morally inferior to me, and it is unreasonable for a superior being to worship an inferior.
"You are entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan Brandolini's law - "The amount of energy needed to refute BS is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it.”
Yeah, larger than any wooden boat could ever maintain integrity, without "the guarding, guiding hand of god holding it together every second of its journey". lol
@@bodricpriest8816Probably a hundred times bigger. How many different species of animals do you think there are ? There was supposed to be seven pairs each of the “clean” animals and one pair each of the “unclean” ones. It would have to be the size of a large city.
The next god we will need to worship: William Shatner. Followers will be called Shats. “Holy Shat! There’s a couple of Shats on our doorstep trying to convert us to Shat.”
As a Satanist(not theistic) I enjoy watching the religious people try and fail to convert or attempt to convert the hosts of AXP or rather try to get them to believe that there was a God.😂 Jasmine for example Is one example
And (of course) The Universe-Farting Turtle is the necessary precondition for logic and intelligibility. In fact, you can't even talk about how you don't believe in The Universe-Farting Turtle without _borrowing_ from the Universe-Farting Turtle Worldview. _Bwah-ha-ha-ha-hah!_
I agree with SR on the worship thing, the Abrahamic god would know you're not sincere. And no I don't know I wont face judgment Armin but i don't care.
@@rcblazer Admittedly, I don't know Ancient Greek. Years ago now, however, I became familiar with the fact that the ancient Greek root, "phagus" refers to the act of eating, when I looked up the meaning of coprophagia (the compulsive consumption of feces), so . . . lol
God is this entity who exists ever just within my blind spot and always erases its footprints. I know it’s god because what other entity could erase its footprints that fast as if it was never even there, huh? Slam dunk atheists!
Just like Santa Claus, different cultures will portray their fantasy characters as entities that look just like them. No surprise we have European, Korean, African, etc. looking portraits of Jeebus.
"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them." ~Marcus Aeralius
R(P)ick i don't have to have an answer to not accept your answer. The burden is on you to prove your answer is valid, and just saying god did it explains nothing.
Honestly, the conversation between Armin and Elliot was probably better than any of the calls. Elliot is right. I think pretending would actually be offensive. Would the God care? Who knows? Maybe Armin is right and it would prefer the lie, even though it knew it was a lie.
The hosts were right about Jasmin. Nothing she said meant anything. It was all empty phrases. And she really showed she didn't understand what 'making a claim' means, to deny doing so, then immediately making another claim. Everything she stated was a claim. She needs to understand that until she can convince us that her biggest claim is true, that a god actually exists, the other claims mean nothing. Prove that first, THEN all the other claims about that god.
Yes, if by "goldfish" you are referring to the "baked snack". ("Baked snack" courtesy of the "censors that be" who consistently censor the term sometimes used to describe a white person in the southeastern U.S..)
KEY POINT IN DISCUSSION: Armin tried to mention how Qur'ān 2:184 in Hafs says that if you cannot fast, you can feed a poor PERSON. In Warsh, it says if you cannot fast, you can feed poor PEOPLE. He tries to make this look like a contradiction. But we know in the books of fiqh (jurisprudence) and tafsīr (Qur'ānic exegesis), these are both compatible for someone who cannot fast. Imām Qurtubī writes on the Tafsīr on 2:184: "The people of Madīnah and Syria read masākīn in the plural rather than miskīn in the singular, but the meaning is the same: one poor person must be fed for each day (of missed fasting)." Hence its one person per day, or multiple people if you include multiple days. Then Armin said you cant use scholars, and this is against the Qur'ān. However, the Qur'ān itself says to ask the people of knowledge, and the hadith as well. This is because the Qur'ān cannot be interpreted by anyone but must be interpreted by scholars who learned from teachers who trace back their isnād (chain) to the Prophet (peace and blessings from Allāh be upon him). SR tried to say, "well the Qur'ān says its clear," so anyone should be able to understand it, but this is referring to the basic fundamentals of the religion, not detailed rulings of jurisprudence. Also, they tried to say that the differences in the Qur'ānic styles are just like the differences in the Christian text, which is completely false. The Christians have entirely different bible versions with different number of books, and entire passages are removed from different versions. This is unlike the Qur'ān which has the same content, whether it is in the style of Warsh, Hafs, or some other style, and these styles are compatible in meaning, which I demonstrated. The cowards then kicked me out.
So the _"Qur'an cannot be interpreted by anyone",_ eh? Funny that, being that the Qur'an says the opposite: _And We have indeed made the Qur’an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?_ *54:17* _“ ....... a guidance for mankind and clear evidence of guidance and discrimination (between wrong)”._ *2:185* _“and We have revealed the Book to you explaining clearly everything_ *16:89*
Your "argument" sounds EXACTLY like the "argument" used by Christian priests and churches against making English language copies of the Bible available to everyday people. They wanted to control the story, control the understanding, and this control the people. You claim is the same.
@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 The verses that talk about explaining everything and make everything clear is referring to the basic fundamentals of the religion. It doesnt mean now that everyone is qualified to make rulings on jurisprudence. The proof is clear: "O you who have believed, obey Allāh and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allāh and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allāh and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result." Qur'ān 4:59. The companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings from Allah be upon him) themselves differed over the Qur'ān. Hence, someone would need to interpret scripture to answer questions that people differ over.
Sometimes sure, but there are times when the hosts dominate the conversation (especially when both weigh in) where callers literally get only a few seconds before being interrupted. Whether that's fair or not depends on your POV I guess, but the "not allowing me to speak" kinda seems like a fair complaint for some.
People who want to speak will find more success by sticking to saying things worth saying. Some people worship the concept of free speech as much as they worship a god.
Armin is right, of course. Most people would agree to pretend to worship something in order to avoid being shot by another human - because that other human can be tricked. If there is an Abrahamic God, he cannot be tricked. I could pretend to worship him, but he would know I hated him with all my being, making it pointless. It would only make him angry. Further, the text makes it clear that God has already chosen those who will go to Hell and those who will go to Heaven since before humanity's creation, which means that worship means nothing. You are going where he wants you to go, regardless of how you act. The book says accepting Jesus is the only way to be saved, not that it is a guarantee of being saved. IN point of fact, it makes quite the opposite obvious.
I could listen to these 2 argue jokingly for a long time. They're hilarious! They're both very smart & great at cutting through the bs claims that theists make. ❤
He would have certainly been darker than most Europeans. I have seen depictions of Jesus from ancient times that were carved in stone that show him with short curly hair and no facial hair. Of course, those are probably made up as well. Adapting the appearance to individual cultures is something humans do with mythological legends. It's easy to get away with when nobody has actually seen that being.
The entire problem with theology was built on the first scribe being dyslexic. Instead of “ Dog” he carved “God”, which is not even a word. At that time carving in stone was the only form of writing, it took a long time and it was expensive, often part of the buildings and not on a tablet that can just be tossed , so they went with “God” and nobody has ever agreed on its meaning. Which is why “ Dog” should be worshiped instead.
There are some great hosts on at the moment love this dynamic duo. Armin is like the voice in my head being made vocal on the show and SR is disarmingly charming at getting through the religious BS.(edit) cant get on board with Armin over the worship thing with SR on this if its the biblical god then i would be lying as its a monster.
Jasmine: "Let me finish regurgitating these empty platitudes I've heard from my pastor!"
The call with Jasmine was just so satisfying by the fact you all just picked out her BS and exposed it, thank you so much for your time on this.
Overall I'm so thankful for your thoughts Armin and I appreciate so much, always straight to point and never letting the BS run past yourselves
Me while Armin is pointing out the changes in the quoran: He won't care.
Me after the caller didn't care: Told ya.
Butterflies live under the ground
The sky is green. Waters go up.
Pens go left. Cars walk.
- Nonsense Poetry by Armin Navabi - in response to Nonsense by Jasmin.
Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.
@@scottjohnson7248 Who are you, some kind of stable genius?
@@scottjohnson7248True, Man, Show😮
I don’t think Jasmine understands the show. She’s preaching and the show is primarily for stating what one believes, why they believe it, and then have a discussion about that. She couldn’t even get the first part down because she was preaching. Then she wondered why she “wasn’t allowed to have a discussion.”
I didn’t always like Armin’s approach. Now i really appreciate his no nonsense ability to cut through the BS. He says the things i feel.
He’s grown some seriously impressive skills. He listens well and has a super power of cutting to the heart of a callers point.
Jasmine just wanted to preach. No preaching should be allowed on the show.
2nd that, people forget Preaching at people is the same as Sex, they both need the other persons consent😁
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@😂😂😂ookekklibarianbornagain6708
@@ookekklibarianbornagain6708agreed. People preaching in the comments at me get a ‘perv, put that thing away’ from me. It feels the same.
Jasmine, I would rather have a hard heart than a soft head. This is not an insult, it is just a fact.
And definitely NOT a claim or an accusation 🤣
I laughed out loud when SR asked Jasmine "Does that make sense?". Jasmine has no idea what makes sense.
Poor Jasmine called in thinking she would give our hosts the business, and it turned out to be clearly the first time she was challenged to create a coherent and comprehensible thought about her beliefs. She couldn't understand that debatable ideas were expected of her and that our hosts weren't simply going to let her preach.
I honestly don't know if they handled the Jasmine call as well as they could. They spoke for the audience (good) but didn't really speak to her (bad). i.e. Armin said "you said a claim" and then followed up with "you didn't say anything." ???? She did say something. I think you confused her, frankly.
@@timdaniels3776she was here to preach, not to have an honest conversation and promptly dismissed. She had her time and wasted it preaching. Nope, good riddance 😊
Is Jasmine the pretend-friendly theist salesman who got pissed off at Shannon Q and the other host for not buying into her Jesus-schpiel?
She’s called The Line under a different name and it was more coherent nonsense, but nonsense all the same.
Incoherent nonsense*
Got to say, loving the clarity given on the callers having to answer the question they are asked.
Awesome show AXP ❤❤❤
Keep up.the great work 💪
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I always found the "fake it till you make it" strategy concerning. Especially when you consider that one of the ten commandments was "Thou shalt not take the lords name in vain."
Big hugs, I sleep better after watching your show. Because it lets me know people care. I and sometimes I just listened to it at night when I can't sleep. I love it and thank you.❤
Jasmine asks for an exchange, LOL, what she really means is uninterrupted time to preach her word salad religiospeak nonsense. Total waste of time
l admit I skipped most of her insane ramblings
Oh how I loved Armin "atheists don't give a shit about the Holy Bible" rant to Rick!
I love it !
You can nearly hear the clunky as it bounces off, beautifully crafted rhetoric clear, and unambiguous.
What I love most is that Rick starts to make a point for cherry picking right after that lol. No, your book is worthless until you have proven that it isn't. Even when it somewhere appears to line up with the the idea of some atheists.
You guys did a good job to stop the preaching.
Always major props on getting to point and pick out the problems with Jasmine's statements.
SR: "Armin, don't yell at the people sending us superchats."😂
Good advice.😅
loved, loved, loved Armin ranting at SR - good, clean fun :) You guys have a great dynamic
This was a quality stream
Jasmine clearly hasn't ever thought about her beliefs!
She just believes what her pastor has told her!
Provide a rational definition for the word female.
Otherwise I'll come to the conclusion you haven't thought gender faith out and you only believe whatever your cult leaders tell you to believe.
Rick. Ricky. Rickford. Frank Turek is not the slam dunk you think he is. He provides no evidence of why his timeless entity exists, or why it must be the Christian one.
There are literally no hosts who don’t know who he is. Lol.
Frank Turek was too dishonest to be a used car salesman or politician so he became what he is now...
I bet if the idea of the supernatural aka the origins of Life popping into existence because of a non intelligent occurrence wasn't so completely illogical atheism wouldn't be a disbelief it would actually be a belief system.
I haven't heard one good argument for Life popping into existence because of a non intelligent occurrence. Matter of fact the vast majority of atheists that I've talked to don't even believe the origins of Life came into existence without creation, without God ,do you? If so please provide evidence to why you believe that.
The only atheist I've heard give an explanation to why he believes in the supernatural aka the idea of the origins of Life came into existence without God was Richard Dawkins. He said he believes everything popped/ came into existence from nothingness.
I couldn't think of an explanation that was more magical.
And the countless atheist on the threads that were calling him a genius for that argument with stunning to say the least. I have a sneaky suspicion that Richard Dawkins doesn't actually believe that he probably made a bet with one of his friends that he can argue the most ridiculous thing that he can think of and he could still get atheist to call him a genius for the ridiculous argument and if he made that bet he won
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@@Kimjong-Atheism no one says life just “popped into existence” from out of nowhere, like you’re trying to say.
Your incredulity isn’t proof it was intelligent. We can’t detect anything supernatural. We shouldn’t assume something exists if we can’t detect it. Once we can detect something supernatural, that would be a time to believe it exists.
@@Kimjong-Atheism2 day old account with over 100 comments. Sounds like another sock,troll account
Jasmine should whine more that she didn't get to finish preaching unchallenged.
New god:
Red Herring, a giant red fish that
swims outside of our universe in the timeless sea, who has access to our universe and intentionally misleads us for food as part of a larger unknown cosmic game.
Hehe, good team-work. Teamwork makes the dreamwork.
You guys are great together. Thanks for the effort. Thanks to the crew as well !
With the Rick call, perhaps they’ll get to it since I’m only at 45:32, but the Universe isn’t “winding down.” There’s dark energy that’s accelerating it if anything.
Wow....Jasmine....it must suck running nose-first into the fact that you've internalized mutually exclusive talking points without bothering to recognize them aa such, on live "tv"... there's probably a lesson in there: think first, then do (or say)
Cognitive dissonance
Armin has quickly become one of my favorite hosts. He's very good at cutting right to the chase.
Rick, Turek is what you might call a joke. His apologetics are, well, terrible.
"check out Dr. Frank Turek if you don't mind"...wow what an eye-roll inducing comment.
When he said that, I knew this guy was never going to come out with anything original or even in the ballpark of credible.
This is absolutely my favorite hosting duo on here! I’ve missed armin!
Me too. Love these 2 guys.
Me too
Great show fellas!! 👍👍
Armin is wrong. I wouldn't worship a god for any reason because the concept of worship is anathema to my values. Nothing should be worshipped. Any entity that demanded worship would not deserve it, a priori.
Any being that demands I worship them but is unable to make me worship them is not even close to being omnipotent.
Whether something deserves worship or should be worshipped is really just a matter of opinion at the end of the day. Theists wanna tell it like it’s a cold hard fact that their favorite gods deserve worship, but even if I agree with them that wouldn’t make it some objective facet of true reality.
This pair are quite funny, it literally is the good cop bad cop version of debate. I’ll leave it to you to determine who is the good cop / bad cop.
All hail Lisa the Rainbow Giraffe. Leaf be upon her. More hen. (Not mine, just a shoutout to theskeptick's patron deity)
No it's "Moorhen". It's a species of waterfowl. Leaf be upon you.
@@chrisgrill6302 My b.
Terry Pratchett's Oh God of hangovers gets a lot of worship on a regular basis
thank you both, well done
If the gods on offer could be proven to me sufficient enough to accept the reality, I could be brought to a point of fear, but that fear would never translate to worship.
Interesting how much I disagree with Armin on his worship point too. I’m with SR on this one. The diety would know exactly WHY I’m worshipping and know it was for self preservation. This is ironically one of my arguments with theists. They worship for self preservation and the deity will know. I’m surprised Armin seems to believe he could trick an all knowing entity…..I get that he doesn’t assert all knowing but in the hypotheticals I’m presented it’s always a god that’s been presented in a story and attributes are known about the god.
But you assume this deity gives a crap about the motivation to worship, the Bible doesn't seem to show that, Yehwah seems super down with indoctrination and hypocrisy.
They are the best. So nice and thoughtful both of them. I can disagree (seldom) but they are so good....
I really love your show guys you're amazing.
Jasmine you were trying to preach and had no interested in an honest conversation.
No interest in, nor even a vague acquaintance with, what comprises an honest conversation.
Next god: Mitra Hejazipour, talented Iranian chess grandmaster expelled and exiled for not wearing a head scarf. She's got the foresight the world actually needs.
... be ready to have a reason for your faith? The POINT is atheists don't have FAITH period. Faith is NOT belief!! Faith is not about TRUTH. Faith is what you have in the absence of evidence, or when not being given the truth. Gr8! Peace ☮💜Love
Faith can definitely be belief
noun: faith
1.
complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
"this restores one's faith in politicians"
Similar:
trust
belief
confidence
conviction
credence
reliance
dependence
optimism
hopefulness
hope
expectation
Opposite:
mistrust
2.
strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.
"bereaved people who have shown supreme faith"
For ‘worship me’ Armin hears ‘submit to me’ and SR hears ‘love’ me’. Armin is right that under threat we would likely submit, but SE is right, cannot make yourself love nor deceive the god.
One does have a choice then., submit, and keep loving a life of falseness, knowing every day that you have no principals, or die, ending your life, knowing that you at the very least was true to yourself. If you have children depending on you , the issue changes dramatically.
@@Goldenhawk583 In the case of an ultimatum from a real person you say whatever you need to do stay safe. Doesn’t matter if you mean it. In the case of an ultimatum from an all knowing god there’s nothing you can do since it’s impossible to deceive them. Doesn’t matter if you behave as they instruct, if you don’t really love them, you’re stuffed. You can submit, but if you think they are an arsehole you go to hell anyway.
@@doubriewotsit4090 not true. If someone asked me to tell them where my jewelry is, on gunpoint, shre, I would tell them, My life is worth more than some gems and gold.
But, if someone demanded to know where my daughters were, Id be shot, willingly. Death is nothing to fear. I dont want it right now, but it is not something I would avoid at any cost. My children are worth more to me than I am.
Edit, good thing gods are not real, and hell is just a sich fantasy in the mind of religious people then::) And thank you for pointing out that the real reason people go to hell.. is for not believing, or not being obedient enough.
And that means noone goes to heaven, because you cant love someone you have never met, those who claim to love god, loves their imagined god ( can be very honest ), but they are bound to fail at one or more points, and hence, love another god, NOT the one they think they love.
For many parents, it is also impossible to love god more than they love their children, that is a death sentence, allthough some are very willing to leave or kill their children if their god told them so.,. which is really scary.
@@Goldenhawk583 ok, same thing, you tell them whatever you need to- extend safe to whoever you want, or whatever outcome is important to you. Point is with a person it’s about what you say or do. With an all knowing god it’s what you actually think or feel that matters and that we have no control over.
@@doubriewotsit4090 ok, yes, I agree an all knowing god would know id be lying. An allknowing god would have known this from the moment he decided to create me that way, so an allknowing god would then have created me for hell... and people worShip monstroseties like this.. its shocking:P
Probably just *MY* bias, but when SR went through his spiel about being open minded and said "but I don't think it'll happen" in contrast to the caller's response, I still felt SR was being open minded, whereas the caller was chuckling at the novelty of considering other ideas.
The next god is Arbor, the god of trees. And he's way better than the Christian god because it actually makes sense to say, "look, trees, it's god."
Nice! Congrats on your #1 submission, BTW.
@@xmillion1704 😅Thanks. Not sure if this is my first time. I may have gotten #1 once before, possibly. I know I see your name quite often on the list. Do you have an estimate on the number of times yours got picked? Just curious.
@@queuecee lol Oh, my dude, you have no idea how stupidly proud and serious I've become about this stuff. I can only liken it to when Nathan Johnson finds his name in the phone book for the very first time. (In "The Jerk".) I've even begun cataloguing this shit.
While I've taken #1 on AXP only once, with my very first submission ever, I've earned #2 three times and #3, four times. I've had more success on TH with #1, seven times, #2, six times and #3, twice.
Sorry, so in answer to your question, yes, 23 times, eight on AXP and 15 on TH going back to AXP episode 27.28. lol
@@queuecee BTW I've begrudgingly (lol) become a fan of yours, due to your always thoughtful and often witty, contributions to the conversations in general here, in spite of how awkward our first interaction was for me.
(Edit: I'd be truly shocked if it was one which you were able to recall.)
@xmillion1704 Hmmm... I don't remember getting into any tiff with you. But I know I can be flippant sometimes and humor gets lost in the comments.
I was making a joke to some guy who talked about how his friend looked like one of the hosts. And I jokingly said that he has never seen both in the same room. And he got PO'ed. And when I made a video joking about UK people not getting jokes, someone else got upset.😅
Anyway, my apologies if I rubbed you the wrong way. But I appreciate your kind comment about enjoying what I post.
Simulation Theory (as in ST:TNG "Elementary, Dear Data" and "Ship in a Bottle", *not* "The Matrix") has utility in precisely one scenario:
A theist says to you: "Creation requires a Creator."
You may summon Simulation Theory and respond: "If you say so. But it is *infinitely* more probable that the creator is a sleep-deprived research assistant working late in some university's Comp Sci lab, than it is some eternal, uncreated, omniscient, omnipotent deity."
Chronicles of narnia is a collection of books. (Yes yes i know its very christian based but its the only large book that is a collection of books on my shelf right now lol)
Dont see how a collection of books is a point of truth 🤷
Then you've not read the books of Oz, they are direct eye witness accounts. It says so, right there in the books.
Look into Frank Turek, Rick says. Lol. Like anyone here hasn’t heard of Frank Turek.
_"Have You Looked into Frank Turek Yet?"_ is right up there with _"Are You Familiar With A Canadian Psychologist Named Jordan Peterson?"_ as the lousiest atheist convention pickup lines ever. And that's after exhaustive research. Of course. Ahem.
While I can’t say for sure what I would say under threat of eternal torture, I would have to agree with SR in not seeing god as worthy of worship and not being sincere even if I was forced to say that I worshipped whatever god it was. 1:08:12 loved that argument though 🤣🤣
I hope every pantheist in the world listens to Jasmine's call.
Heck, every pantheist. What she was talking about really reminds me of the way a lot of pantheists I know talk about their beliefs. (Often they really _will_ say that "Yeah, God _is_ in that pen and that wall, etc," and I'm just like "So ... God is just ... stuff? That exists? That we already have other words for?") I'm curious whether Jasmine is one of those "everything is connected" types. I would love to hear that convo go down, cause I have yet to hear a reasonable answer to "How so, and if that's true, what makes that concept God and not just general connectedness?"
@@OldNewsIsGoodNews You're right about the pantheist. Thank you. I'll change my post accordingly!
ChatGOD, the god of AI. Anything you ask, like what is the orgin of life or the universe, it can answer it all. Except all the answers are: "Goddunit."
You joke but honestly I wouldn't be surprised if we just gave up and let AI take over our lives.
These 2 are so amazing together! They feed off each other so well. They need a show where they just discuss things together.
@0:00 SR opens with rant about the importance of separation of religion and government.
@4:48 The hosts discuss critical thinking vs the utility of positive feelings.
@6:38 The top three Share Your Experience submissions are revealed.
@11:05 New prompt: Create the next god. Armin's response is detailed.
@17:25 Jasmine: Pantheist? "Pandering" for Jesus Ugh! Evidently, "God is a trainwreck."
@32:40 Superchats
@36:20 Bat Cruise announcement.
@37:00 Rick: Theist creation smuggler - Typical theist confusion regarding atheism and cosmology.
@50:13 Still Rick's call but a great Armin anti-scriptural rant and Rick's subsequent defensive claims.
@54:00 Still Rick's call. Mutual challenge: "If my/our side was proved, would you convert?" Evolved into, "If god exists would you worship?"
@1:01:55 After the call, Armin contentiously continued discussion of whether to worship or not, challenging SR, resulting in poll of Armin vs SR.
@1:05:30 More superchats and announcements.
@1:08:18 Abdur Islamist (more like dizzlamist) - Promotes three reasons Islam is correct. Armin totally dismantles his arguments.
@1:32:40 CREW CAM! and superchats.
@1:39:20 Steve: wants to discuss 2nd Law of Information dynamics, quantum wave function, simulation etc.
@2:01:50 Email bemoaning hosts "monologuing".
Armin got destroyed by the Muslim at 1:08:18.
@@The-Last-Rain agreed
@@The-Last-Rain heehee The desert where Abdur was once sitting is nothing but green glass now.
@@The-Last-RainQuite a trick since the Muslim didn't start speaking until around 1.08.40. And then proceeded to have his ass handed to him. He claimed the Quran had been perfectly preserved, Armin showed him unequivocally that that is untrue. So did SR - the Sanaa palimpsest, I just looked it up, it shows the "perfect preservation" claim to be a lie, pure and simple. I must have missed the bit where Abdur "destroyed" anybody... what are you talking about?
@@chrisgrill6302 Ignoramus. The Sanaa Manuscript doesnt refute preservation. We know there were variants (the ahruf). The dialects, besides the qurayshi one, were destroyed during the time of uthman since there were was no need for them. So one harf (qurayshi harf) was left, and all qira'at (styles of reciting today, warsh, hafs, etc...) trace back to this one harf. But there is no difference in overall meaning even with non-uthmanic manuscripts. And the manuscripts show conformity, and even Non Muslim scholars accept the preservation of the qur'an, not to mention we dont even need manuscripts. the quran has been memorized since the time of the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wasalam) by multiple companions, and this traces back today with millions of Muslims having memorized the quran, and they can recite the entire quran to you without a book in front of them.
The new pop-up superchats and comments are a great addition
They are fun, especially nice if you usually watch live and miss the chat.
Elliot (SR) seems like such a kind, warm patient person! You have such a lovely joyful personality making it a joy to listen to. Armin speak with so much passion and conviction, and I love that! Thanks for all your energy and humour Armin! SUPERHUGGS to you both!!
I understand Jasmine’s commitment to biblical prohibitions against women thinking, but if she’s gonna stick to that she should also obey the biblical prohibitions against women speaking. Either do both or do neither.
Anyone invoking the second law of thermodynamics as evidence for creation or simulation just hasn't understood it. Brian Green's book titled Until The End Of Time is a very good book to understand it.
I absolutely enjoyed watching this, Armin had me cracking tf up 😂 I'm
at the tale end of my deconstruction process and it is now my mission to find every video Armin is in tearing apart stupid claims 🎉💜💚
I god rhythm
I god music
I god my gal
Who could ask for anything more?
Holy crap, i haven't even finished the first call, but these two are on fire already. I wish they'd continued the first call longer, though.
Yeah. We all need more preaching. /s
Debunk the Great Cthulhu, the pontifex maximus of the Old Ones, the who is not dead, for even death may die.
I fall into SR's camp. If i had sufficient evidence that god exists, i would accept it. I would not worship it, however. I know this because during my deconversion, i stopped worshipping god before i stopped believing in him. While reading the Bible, i came to the conclusion that god was morally inferior to me, and it is unreasonable for a superior being to worship an inferior.
51:42 Armin is the freaking man.
Yes !
"You are entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts."
- Daniel Patrick Moynihan
Brandolini's law - "The amount of energy needed to refute BS is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it.”
Even if they found a boat like the ark, it wouldhave to have been monsterously big to actualy fit in with the myth.
Approximately three times the size of any wooden boat ever made.
Yeah, larger than any wooden boat could ever maintain integrity, without "the guarding, guiding hand of god holding it together every second of its journey". lol
@@bodricpriest8816Probably a hundred times bigger. How many different species of animals do you think there are ? There was supposed to be seven pairs each of the “clean” animals and one pair each of the “unclean” ones. It would have to be the size of a large city.
The next god we will need to worship: William Shatner. Followers will be called Shats. “Holy Shat! There’s a couple of Shats on our doorstep trying to convert us to Shat.”
Oooo, preaching can be called "Giving a Shat!"
I'm a Holy Trekkie.
All Hail Shatner.
I beseech my fellow Shats, your scholarship and expertise. Is Nimoy the equivalent of The Holy Spirit in this faith?
William Shat on her.
Shatner!?!? I barely even know her!!!
As a Satanist(not theistic) I enjoy watching the religious people try and fail to convert or attempt to convert the hosts of AXP or rather try to get them to believe that there was a God.😂 Jasmine for example Is one example
I knew it! I knew it! It's not "turtles all the way down" - it's one _giant_ farting turtle all the way back!
One giant farting turtle!
And (of course) The Universe-Farting Turtle is the necessary precondition for logic and intelligibility. In fact, you can't even talk about how you don't believe in The Universe-Farting Turtle without _borrowing_ from the Universe-Farting Turtle Worldview. _Bwah-ha-ha-ha-hah!_
@@karlwiggins Noted and corrected. Thank you.
It is actually farting turtles all the way down. The smell must be ineffable
@@Sveinkva Actually, they only smell suspect. So it's not all *_that_* bad.
I agree with SR on the worship thing, the Abrahamic god would know you're not sincere.
And no I don't know I wont face judgment Armin but i don't care.
Deusphagein, God of Cannibalism. Being a god, he eats other gods until they are all gone, and then he starves to death.
This is good, right down to the proper ancient greek roots!
Congratulations, rc !! See, I had a good feeling about this entry, even though they struggled with the greek.
@@xmillion1704 Thanks! The name if I translated it right is Greek for "To devour a god."
@@rcblazer Admittedly, I don't know Ancient Greek. Years ago now, however, I became familiar with the fact that the ancient Greek root, "phagus" refers to the act of eating, when I looked up the meaning of coprophagia (the compulsive consumption of feces), so . . . lol
Haha! The most heated debate is between the hosts 😂
God is this entity who exists ever just within my blind spot and always erases its footprints. I know it’s god because what other entity could erase its footprints that fast as if it was never even there, huh? Slam dunk atheists!
Seems like the aliens in doctor who
Just like Santa Claus, different cultures will portray their fantasy characters as entities that look just like them. No surprise we have European, Korean, African, etc. looking portraits of Jeebus.
"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them." ~Marcus Aeralius
SR has always been great, but I think he leveled up in 2024 🎮🍄
But then there is the dog you treat cruely, which welcomes you when you get home.
Armin needs his own show..
Armin has his own show.
@@Leith_Crowther where?
@@steaminghottake6221atheist republic
R(P)ick i don't have to have an answer to not accept your answer.
The burden is on you to prove your answer is valid, and just saying god did it explains nothing.
Honestly, the conversation between Armin and Elliot was probably better than any of the calls.
Elliot is right. I think pretending would actually be offensive. Would the God care? Who knows? Maybe Armin is right and it would prefer the lie, even though it knew it was a lie.
The hosts were right about Jasmin. Nothing she said meant anything. It was all empty phrases.
And she really showed she didn't understand what 'making a claim' means, to deny doing so, then immediately making another claim.
Everything she stated was a claim. She needs to understand that until she can convince us that her biggest claim is true, that a god actually exists, the other claims mean nothing.
Prove that first, THEN all the other claims about that god.
Y’all r some of the best ❤😊 Love from Kentucky 😊
Does Rick from TX have the memory of a goldfish? He forgot Armin's response 10 seconds after Armin gave it!
Yes, if by "goldfish" you're referring to the cracker.
Yes, if by "goldfish" you are referring to the "baked snack".
("Baked snack" courtesy of the "censors that be" who consistently censor the term sometimes used to describe a white person in the southeastern U.S..)
KEY POINT IN DISCUSSION: Armin tried to mention how Qur'ān 2:184 in Hafs says that if you cannot fast, you can feed a poor PERSON. In Warsh, it says if you cannot fast, you can feed poor PEOPLE. He tries to make this look like a contradiction. But we know in the books of fiqh (jurisprudence) and tafsīr (Qur'ānic exegesis), these are both compatible for someone who cannot fast. Imām Qurtubī writes on the Tafsīr on 2:184: "The people of Madīnah and Syria read masākīn in the plural rather than miskīn in the singular, but the meaning is the same: one poor person must be fed for each day (of missed fasting)." Hence its one person per day, or multiple people if you include multiple days. Then Armin said you cant use scholars, and this is against the Qur'ān. However, the Qur'ān itself says to ask the people of knowledge, and the hadith as well. This is because the Qur'ān cannot be interpreted by anyone but must be interpreted by scholars who learned from teachers who trace back their isnād (chain) to the Prophet (peace and blessings from Allāh be upon him). SR tried to say, "well the Qur'ān says its clear," so anyone should be able to understand it, but this is referring to the basic fundamentals of the religion, not detailed rulings of jurisprudence. Also, they tried to say that the differences in the Qur'ānic styles are just like the differences in the Christian text, which is completely false. The Christians have entirely different bible versions with different number of books, and entire passages are removed from different versions. This is unlike the Qur'ān which has the same content, whether it is in the style of Warsh, Hafs, or some other style, and these styles are compatible in meaning, which I demonstrated. The cowards then kicked me out.
It's all just made up. Why don't you have a nice BLT sandwich and chill.
So the _"Qur'an cannot be interpreted by anyone",_ eh? Funny that, being that the Qur'an says the opposite:
_And We have indeed made the Qur’an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?_ *54:17*
_“ ....... a guidance for mankind and clear evidence of guidance and discrimination (between wrong)”._ *2:185*
_“and We have revealed the Book to you explaining clearly everything_ *16:89*
Your "argument" sounds EXACTLY like the "argument" used by Christian priests and churches against making English language copies of the Bible available to everyday people. They wanted to control the story, control the understanding, and this control the people. You claim is the same.
@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 The verses that talk about explaining everything and make everything clear is referring to the basic fundamentals of the religion. It doesnt mean now that everyone is qualified to make rulings on jurisprudence. The proof is clear: "O you who have believed, obey Allāh and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allāh and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allāh and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result." Qur'ān 4:59. The companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings from Allah be upon him) themselves differed over the Qur'ān. Hence, someone would need to interpret scripture to answer questions that people differ over.
@@The-Last-Rain Well said. Im going to copy your answer on other comments if you dont mind.
Just imagine my excitement when I pull up TH-cam to watch the latest episode and see that SR & Armin are the hosts!!! I love this pair!
The chat from the hosts at 1:00 to 1:05 was one of the most amazingly honest things Ive ever seen 2 people discuss.
Rick taking L's for years lol
I'm tired of this theist whine "you're not allowing me to speak" meaning they're not allowed to preach their religious garbage.
Yep
Sometimes sure, but there are times when the hosts dominate the conversation (especially when both weigh in) where callers literally get only a few seconds before being interrupted.
Whether that's fair or not depends on your POV I guess, but the "not allowing me to speak" kinda seems like a fair complaint for some.
People who want to speak will find more success by sticking to saying things worth saying. Some people worship the concept of free speech as much as they worship a god.
People like that have no idea of what a conversation is. This isn't a stump from which to bleat their inanities without commentary.
@@RickReasonnz Yeah, the actual "stump" is between their shoulders.
I call BS on the 1984 dashcam, they did not come out till the early nineties.
Armin is right, of course. Most people would agree to pretend to worship something in order to avoid being shot by another human - because that other human can be tricked. If there is an Abrahamic God, he cannot be tricked. I could pretend to worship him, but he would know I hated him with all my being, making it pointless. It would only make him angry.
Further, the text makes it clear that God has already chosen those who will go to Hell and those who will go to Heaven since before humanity's creation, which means that worship means nothing. You are going where he wants you to go, regardless of how you act. The book says accepting Jesus is the only way to be saved, not that it is a guarantee of being saved. IN point of fact, it makes quite the opposite obvious.
The best answer to 'How was the universe created' is 'I dunno,' as the hosts aren't cosmologists.
Cosmologists also don't know but they are the people best equipped to approach answering the question.
God is the polyp in my colon that whispers all of the secrets of the universe directly in my ear.
🎶colon bone's connected to the ear bone🎶
I could listen to these 2 argue jokingly for a long time. They're hilarious! They're both very smart & great at cutting through the bs claims that theists make. ❤
The Next Deity: Me, of course!
i think jesus would resemble armin more than any european depiction.
You got that right !
He would have certainly been darker than most Europeans. I have seen depictions of Jesus from ancient times that were carved in stone that show him with short curly hair and no facial hair. Of course, those are probably made up as well. Adapting the appearance to individual cultures is something humans do with mythological legends. It's easy to get away with when nobody has actually seen that being.
Not necessarily. Levant ppl have always been & still are quite European looking. Anyway, armin to me looks like a normal white guy.
The entire problem with theology was built on the first scribe being dyslexic. Instead of “ Dog” he carved “God”, which is not even a word. At that time carving in stone was the only form of writing, it took a long time and it was expensive, often part of the buildings and not on a tablet that can just be tossed , so they went with “God” and nobody has ever agreed on its meaning. Which is why “ Dog” should be worshiped instead.
There are some great hosts on at the moment love this dynamic duo. Armin is like the voice in my head being made vocal on the show and SR is disarmingly charming at getting through the religious BS.(edit) cant get on board with Armin over the worship thing with SR on this if its the biblical god then i would be lying as its a monster.
I love Armin’s Sub-Mattresstic Leprechaun of Agreeance. That was the perfect comeback.
We should create a simulated reality, then put a super AI inside it to see how it might figure out if it's in a simulation.
The next god we need to acknowledge is the god Meh. He may not be "the greatest good", but he's good enough.
Well, not really even "good enough", but it'll have to do until we come up with one that is. lol