@@TheSnoeedog Yeah, what if Marie just foold around with the neighbors son and then made up some silly story about a sky daddy. And Joseph, not the brightest, just believed it.
@@MrCanis4 I don't know....on the one hand, the all powerful, all knowing, all loving cause of all things, sent an angel to heaven to announce the impending immaculate conception, such that the actual son of the actual god will be born to live a perfect life only to be sacrificed in a grisly blood magic ritual.....or a married, pregnant, iron age teenager lied about how she got that way....
The baby daddy is a ghost ... Mary was raped by a ghost...she didn't consent to anything. She was TOLD she'd have a son. Since when do ghosts have sex? Do they have penises? LOL 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@charisma-hornum-friesit depends, when it is his expertise he should talk about it a lot and he has been doing it for a while, for some of the Co-hosts who havent done it for a while it's good to how someone experienced does it, I do agree that Forrest should let the co-host talk more still.
The callers of today's show: 7:09 Richard - Defending the God belief with the argument from technological singularity. 23:33 Josh - Wants to share a story of spiritual deconstruction (rejecting hell, accepting evolution). 1:06:30 Tyler - Believes the bible adequately explains how life was diversified, therefore bible true. 1:16:53 Lee - There are only two sexes. 2:14:35 Hayden - Wants to talk about abortion and especially Forrest's biological view on it.
I'm an Xray technologist. As soon as I heard Lee go into complaining that we don't teach about atypical anatomical features, my mind went right back to my lessons on body habitus. It is very important in my job to be able to look at a person and make a well educated guess at what level, say, their stomach is at. Or where the diaphragm is. Lee reads as someone who very desperately wishes to have a smart sounding reason to dislike that the world is moving forwards without them.
Exactly. He needs to accept that things have moved on. There are unlimited genders. Woman, man, trans, fluid etc. Some relate to gastronomy and there are subcategories within relating to beverages in particular. And within those beverages there are achohol based and those with zero alcohol. Within the alcohol based beverages I’m tending towards the cocktail side of things and can’t help but feel I’m identifying most strongly with bourbon as the major ingredient.
He never argued about gender I don’t think. Are there more than two sexes in biology? Asexual I don’t think is is a different sex, it’s a combination of the two but even if it’s the third sex is there a 4th or more sexes?
@@russellg9622 Indeed, Lee didn't argue about the concept of gender being one distinct from biological sex. Their problem seemed to be not liking that new information about how we think about sex biologically is being taught (or perhaps being pushed to be taught) in schools (though they never specified where). Asexuality has to do with the physical act of sex and is a sexual preference in the same way that homosexuality, bisexuality, or heterosexuality are preferences. Asexuality simply means one does not have any desire to engage in the physical act of sex. If you want a really good break down of more current and nuanced understanding of biological sex (from this point on when I say sex, I will mean biologically) in humans, I'd suggest Forrest's video titled "Sex and Sensibility." It does a good job of going over the topic. If I were to attempt to summarize it myself, I'd say that it on a species level, it is not entirely incorrect to say there are two sexes in the human species. This does a good job of giving a simplified understanding of what sex is. However, as with all descriptions of the real world, this does not fully encompass the totality of variety within humans. For example, if you were to say that there are only ever possibly two sexes, male and female, based solely on XX or XY chromosomes, you would necessarily be excluding the existence of people who do not have that configuration of chromosomes. Even further down the rabbit hole, you can find people who have XY chromosomes, but with a functioning uterus. Reality is far more complex than our ability to condense it down into language or concepts. Simply put, as Forrest and Emma repeated in the call, there is nothing wrong with expanding our understanding of the topic to include more people. If I were to relate this back to my field, taking an x-ray or CT scan of a person is not a one to one picture of what is in the human body. It is only ever an approximation. That's true of all photography. Those images can be very useful in their own right, but it's always important to understand that some amount of information about what is actually in the person is now missing in the transfer from real life physical bodies to 2-D representations of the body. I hope this helped. Cheers.
Okay, this is a fantasy host set. I didn't realize how much I wanted to see it before seeing the thumbnail, and it did not disappoint. I really look forward to seeing more of these two together.
I love how lovely and polite Emma is all the while not allowing herself to be spoken over. And Forest, you remind me of a young Bill Nye with the level of excitement for science. You two together "make science sexy" and fun to learn. Now just get Shannon Q in there to get angry and talk about the brain.
I really appreciate the way you guys handle the caller Josh. He seemed very genuine and inquisitive of his beliefs and journey to the truth. I experienced something very similar to his experience, mine began while in the military and the experiences during my multiple deployments to the Middle East. The horrific things I experienced and witnessed left so many doubts in my mind. Also, the very traumatic medical issues with my spouse, I just really started questioning my own faith. This started about 15 years ago, but only about 2 years ago I really started to deconstruct and now I’m free of those beliefs. It’s been a hell of a journey.
Our country is very multicultural (not America) so most people who gave up their unreliable method of religious faith, did not need to go the Middle East even multiple times.
@@kimsland999 ok, not sure what you are trying to say here. Everyone has different experiences of why they are where they are at, I just expressed my own. I was saying not everyone experiences the same thing or mine is somehow more justifiable.
@@armysapper12b My concern is I feel Americans are being restricted by not experiencing other cultures. And as soon as you did you worked out: But if their God is not true, then why would my God be true? This happens more so in countries with allow a rich diversity, not lets make a wall, America.
@@kimsland999 I’ve been to 27 different countries and experienced more cultures by 21 years old than most people regardless of country. The US is the most diverse and sought after country to live in, we take in 50% of the world’s migrants. We need immigration controls and better policies, this includes visa requirements, a better path to citizenship, better visa tracking, better border security/controls (yes physical barriers work regardless of feelings) and vetting all together. A nations economy and housing can only handle so much, we have US citizens right now that can’t afford housing, so just opening borders is a huge issue and to say otherwise is foolish or from a place of ignorance.
Yeah I grew up southern Baptist like him. Its embedded in the southern culture and it really is a positive influence. It’s more about community than afterlife but everyone has questions about afterlife. It’s difficult to give up your religion and culture at the same time. I’ve come to terms with it but it took years.
In the last century, people were forced to deny it, religion was denigrated and weakened through movies and books. However, all religions call people to goodness, truthfulness and help people. Irreligion was presented as a fashion trend, but the person who moved away from religion moved away from the family and got used to a vagabond life. However, religion connects people with family, kindness to parents, and some worships. glorifies
In the last century, people were forced to deny it, religion was denigrated and weakened through movies and books. However, all religions call people to goodness, truthfulness and help people. Irreligion was presented as a fashion trend, but the person who moved away from religion moved away from the family and got used to a vagabond life. However, religion connects people with family, kindness to parents, and some worships. glorifies
The irony with him is that he's really a Christian in name only; he clearly knows that the Bible is bullshit, he's clearly thinking for himself and dropping the obvious bullshit, and keeping only the feel good parts, but does so somewhat unseriously. Give this kid some time and he will most likely stop calling himself a Christian in any sense. Maybe he'll call himself agnostic, maybe he'll be an atheist, but I doubt his religious foundations can survive his skepticism.
@@brightroarttttbbbb Religion does not do anything that atheism does not also do better. It was originally presented as a way to explain how the world we live in works, why it's here, etc. However, scientific breakthroughs now explain that a lot better than religion ever could. Not only that, but the "morals" that texts such as the Bible give you have 2 problems: 1, they aren't even moral, you don't need to stone your son to death if he doesn't listen to you and gets drunk (see Deuteronomy 21: 18-21). 2: The bible also threatens people that don't follow it or criticize it with.. erm... eternal torment. Christians claim that "God" is forgiving without taking into consideration that the moment you get sent to hell, "God" completely just stops caring about you. Also, killing gay people is kinda cringe ngl (Islam isnt much better either tbh)
Emma’s compassion shared around 34 minutes in brought me to tears. It is truly wonderful to have stumbled upon such wonderful role models in how to talk to those deconstructing. I didn’t have a formal deconstructing phase - I was basically pushed out of my Christian circles for being gay and I rejected their god over time on my own without really thinking about it. But I have had so much anger and (justified) hatred of religious fundamentalism. I am not always the person to have this kind of conversation. You are both kinder than I would be, while still being tough. It’s given me tools to discuss these things with nuance and to talk to people who used to be in my life. Thank you for sharing your talents and for the work you’re doing.
No one knows what Jesus was doing as his story ends at age 12 and then picks up again at age 32. What was he doing for those 20 years and why didn't someone write it down? It seems to me, however, that 20 years is just enough time for Jesus to be getting married and having children.
@anonymousjohnson976 There are some theories that show that he may have been in trading Caravans and learned a bunch from his travels East towards the Buddhist and Vedic disciplines. That would explain why he sounds so enlightened among all the barely even human middle easterners.
@@AtheismPoisonsEverything: Atheists do believe there is something wrong about slavery, as no human should be enslaved ever. The first commandment should have been "Thou Shalt Not Own Another Human Being." Leon Trotsky was an atheist and murdered many people; however, not in the name of atheism, but in the name of power and control. Christians, Muslims, and other religious figures have also committed atrocities; here are a few of them. The massacre in Rwanda, 800,000 dead in 100 days. (Mostly Christians killing Christians.) 2 World Wars started by theists (Germany, Czarist Russia, Japan, Italy) 90 million dead in 10 years. 10 million killed in the 30-year war. (More Christians killing Christians). The Lushon rebellion during the Tang Dynasty, 30 million deaths (not atheists). The 100-year-war, 3 million dead (yep, Jesus followers). The wars in the Democratic Republic of Congo (5 million dead in 6 years) (again, Christians). 40 million dead in the Three Kingdom Wars in China (not atheist). 6 million dead in the Napoleonic wars (again, Christians). So, what have we here with all of the wars, killings, atrocities and genocides going on with religion? Isn't religion supposed to be peaceful and bring harmony to the world? I guess not as look at what has been going on now in the Middle East for thousands and thousands of years over the land with each side believing the land was given to them by a god and the little children and infants suffer. Shameful! There will never be peace if people do not obtain the critical thinking skills they so sorely need in order to stop all of the horrible killing, strife, sadness, starvation, etc. etc. etc. etc. Imagine peace and maybe someday it will come to fruition.
@@jaflenbond7854 Why are you so *LAZY,* Jaffles? The least you could do here is put some effort into tidying up the spacing of your copy pasta scripts of *SPAM!!!* "He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster" - Proverbs 18:9 "The sluggard is wiser in his own conceit than seven men that can render a reason" - Proverbs 26:16
@@holgerlubotzki3469 WORTHLESS and USELESS ATHEISM and RELIGIOUS FANATICISM The Creator KNOWS that all Atheists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatic members of all kinds of Religions in the world who trick and deceive their own families and neighbors to believe their Satanic LIES and false claims that - 1. the BIBLE is not the source of Truths but just a worthless book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales 2. Jesus Christ is unworthy and undeserving to be honored and respected as his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth are obviously the arrogant, cruel, merciless, and deceitful persons on earth who can't be trusted with anything and are worthy and deserving of their own dishonor, disgrace, downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS, never to be seen and heard ever again on the face of the earth while all persons on earth who willingly submit to the authority of Jesus Christ and put their faith and hope in his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as written in Matthew 28: 18, Luke 4: 43, and John 11: 25, 26 are clearly the lowly, ordinary, kind, and respectful Followers of Jesus Christ who can be trusted with anything and worthy and deserving of his favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in the Bible, in Revelation 21: 3, 4. Jesus Christ KNOWS that all human beings will just return to dusts after their deaths as written in the Bible, in Ecclesiastes 3: 19, 20 ; 9: 5, 6 but he knows too that his teaching about the "Resurrection of the Dead" is the Creator's guarantee that all loving, kind, and respectful persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Job, Ruth, Naomi, King David, his Followers and disciples, and many others will all be RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily, abundantly, and peacefully live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects and citizens of the "KINGDOM of GOD" and fully enjoy his and the Creator's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under his loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in the Bible, in Revelation 11: 15.
@@AtheismPoisonsEverything You can try and ask moa 🤔but it would be way more constructive of you, to ask the slaves. They will tell what they think of slavery..
I’ve watched these two separately for a bit now, and always thought a collab between them would be great. I love the chemistry and silliness they have!
Richard: You basically said "Technology is changing so fast that the outcome is UNPREDICTABLE and I PREDICT the singularity within 5 years." I don't know how you cannot see the contradiction in that argument?
Yeah, fella has been totally taken in by the bizarrely sensationalist media stories that are designed to be sensationalist about whatever they are talking about and now thinks chat GPT is going to enslave us all.
@@UlexiteTVStoneLexite Good question. But the answer to that is that it's likely too late the moment you thought of pulling the plug. AI today are known to deceive the tests we design to them, and they're brain-dead compared to the singularity AI experts are wary of. The caller is bad at explaining, which I can't fault him in because he's obviously not an expert in the field. Neither am I, for disclaimer, but I've listened to talks by those who are. Rob Miles is a good channel as a starting point. The 5 years is straight out of people's ass, though. There is a consensus that AGI will happen in 40 or so years from now, but humans are famously bad at predicting progress. It can happen in 100+ years or it could happen within the next 5 minutes. The consensus, though, is that it _will_ happen. The problem is we're simply not ready.
Whenever someone threatens me with their fave hell, I ask them; "What if there really is a god, and she only sends skeptics and heathens to heaven? What if it turns out that this is all a gullibility test, and hell is reserved for boot-licking sycophants?"
It stands to reason. By the way, their claimed God MUST be using evidence and reason, otherwise he'd send supposedly good Christians (and imaginary ones) to Christian Hell. Even Christians believe their God uses evidence (observation) and reason (to determine who's been naughty or nice - plus he checks the list twice). For Christians to use religious faith (which their God most certainly does not use) they are going against their own God's method! He won't be happy about that.
@@AtheismPoisonsEverything Voltaire never said that, you have been mislead. Of the many quotes he said, the closest (and most likely) related quote is: _Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities_
@@AtheismPoisonsEverything THAT was a 2 post joke (or multi post joke). The second I replied, I thought to myself: Wait this is exactly what he expects me to say. As such I quickly devised a 2nd reply. Gender men are NOT absurdities. As gender men are NOT about biology!
The problem is there's no evidence for your god or your hell to actually exist, it's just your subjective opinion stemming from hate towards specific people with a higher level of understanding reality. Also if your threatened with Hell, then you must be a very bad person based on the evidence I've observed so far. 😇
Goodness I love Emma! "I'm sorry, my lovely" and "I'm talking, please, Lee". I chose this video specifically becauseburbhad Forrest and Emma, and they did not disappoint
Lee: Non planet Pluto is ok to teach because it was decided by a committee. Lee: Gender and sex variations arent ok to teach because it was decided by committee..?
@@AtheismPoisonsEverything You mean a christian clergyman that isn't? Much MUCH more prevalent in Christian clergy than any other group. Also, again, not relevant to the discussion, which makes me wonder if it's pure projection, you are accusing others of your own sins.
@HeywoodYabloome atheism isn't a religion, and despite it being looked down upon in both groups, Christian clergyman have an exceedingly high rate of it.
@HeywoodYabloome none. Atheism isn't a religion, as you'd know if you actually watched pretty much any of these. A religion has layers of tenets, and typically a belief in the supernatural. Atheism has neither. Oh, and Muslims ALSO have high rates of inappropriate behavior towards children, particularly the clergy touching or doing worse to boys (esp in Muslim majority countries) , but also in the form of child marriage. The Muslim world might actually have the highest rate if inappropriate behavior towards children in the world You can argue against reality, but it will remain true.
@@AtheismPoisonsEverything None. Not least because atheism isn't a religion, which you'd know if you actually knew anything about it at all, but considering your projection, that obviously isn't true. A religion is a set of tenets, typically set up around a culture and often including supernatural elements. Atheism is none of these. Islam, on the other hand, is all of these, and has possibly the highest rate of inappropriate behavior towards children in the world, notedly in the form of child marriage (like their prophet) but also in the form of their clergy towards little boys in particular in Muslim majority nations. You may scream and cry and make up stuff, but reality will remain against you until you change.
Awesome arguments from Emma and Forrest to Lee and his difficulty with unlearning and relearning things that were wrong or different in the past. Great show and great hosts.
2:04:55 Forrest casually having dissection tools right next to him feels like a real live version of “cartoon character draws a comically large hammer from nonexistent pocket”
It’s wild he actually can’t grasp simple concept of “yea most of the time it’s A or B but C-Z is possible and doe happen sometimes so it’s important to understand it’s NOT always A or B and in fact sometimes C does the walking not just talking” as important to teach in schools… it’s like he really only wants general stuff taught not the details IF they don’t line up with the GENERALIZED stuff… 💀 personally I view this as someone who openly is on ur side you think u can trust but slowly undermine what u do.. vs ppl outright opposed to u but at least u KNOW who ur enemy is with them.. I may be bias here but I despise weasel and ratty ppl who appear as like they aren’t openly.. 😂 that’s the vibes I get from him… the amount of times Forrest even Emma explained how u can teach BOTH and introduce it at different levels based on age/brain development stages is literally so damn simple yet this dude literally can’t grasp that or intentionally is tryna to undermine it… Emma basically said so we agree on everything basically though not on generalizations and inclusion as we literally can teach both.. doesn’t have to be one or the other… but u seem to have issue.. what are u trying to get at.. ? 😂 I understand all this the first example 20 examples ago and I didn’t even need the first one.. this man actually just either can’t grasp it or intentionally pushing bs.. again weasel rat vibes.. can’t be trusted .. wolf in sheeps clothing vibe if u will… 😂 he’s like wolf telling all the white sheep to really not worry or pay attention too much to the black sheep as including the black sheep in every thing the white sheep know and do will interfere..while the white sheep are like “huh hold up.. black sheep is still a sheep… wtf… we all move as one so we will sle down even take detours if it means including our black sheep… why do u care so much to have us focus on majority white sheep excluding the few black ones? kinda sus.. u look smell sound like us but I don’t know.. why u got paw prints not hoof prints?! 🤔yea no thanks black sheeps sticking with us even if we have to diverge a little from majority white sheep.. I’m watching you!!!” 😂
@@InanisNihil- He was definitely pushing BS, as revealed with his claims that education is being changed for political reasons (which he disagrees with). He's like other bigots who try to present themselves as being reasonable and fact-based, while obviously promoting bigotry (e.g., "gender critical people," " race realists," etc.). He didn't address Emma's example of surgeries performed on children, to try to make them better fit cultural norms, because he doesn't really care about those people or about any other "anomalies" (his thinking, not mine). He wants to oppose support for trans people. He just used the "anomalies" to argue that people who don't fit into binary conceptions of sex and gender don't count and shouldn't be acknowledged in schools (at the very least).
@@loki2240 that last part u mentioned about anomalies and ppl who don’t fit… actually reminds me basic individuality… even as a majority and fitting in to many categories.. as an INDIVIDUAL I literally still don’t fit into some .. i think that applies to all humans period.. 😂 so to if I where to disagree with you there I’d logically be disregarding the places where I don’t fit in.. it’s exactly what ppl of his mindset do.. it’s wild to me tbh… 😂 t reminds me of the argue about bathrooms.. as a man I literally go to the bath to piss.. I could careless what a person has in their pants.. 😂 long as their in the bathroom doing bathroom things… if something so simple offends ppl no wonder stuff like this topic does do. . Though I will say I’m more ok with women In general using mens bathrooms then men using womens and I solely based they on guys known to be creepy .. but either way I really don’t care.. that how I feel about this topic. inclusion doesnt hurt education nor more then it hurts us using the bathroom next to a trans person.. 😂
Whatever Lee’s intentions are his questions are similar to questions a lot of people have. When talking about biology in animals we talk about sex unless we talk about humans then we talk about sex and gender but we classify humans as animals too with apparently a special set of rules. It’s ok to ask questions. 1:24:52 a story about about someone being mistreated is sad obviously and shouldn’t happen but it has nothing to do with science.
@russellg9622 lots of people have questions, that doesnt make their questions good ones. Especially when they work to misunderstand the facts due to bias. science doesn't attribute value to how a human presents themselves. People do that. The most important realization i ever had is that science terms do not PRESCRIBE what something IS, they just attempt to DESCRIBE it. Saying humans are male and female isn't a RULE. It doesn't tell humans what to be, it only describes how they typical present. It is for ease of discussion, not for ousting individuals from society. And animals don't talk to us so we have no idea if they have "gender". We are humans w language and we can and do discuss and investigate what we are. Forrest is about the best person u could watch to understand sex and gender, if u don't get it after listening to him, I have to wonder if ur trying..
Yeah I heard that. "I believe in god but it doesn't exist yet but it will and it's technology that we have no idea will be possible or not but it will know how many neutrinos are passing through your body it's got all the omnis". Sure, anything's possible if you just make stuff up.
“Destroyed” is a misused term. It makes it seems like it’s a battle with a winner and loser. Which don’t forget is how religion indoctrinated people. “They are wrong, we are right”. In truth It’s just a conversation with conflicting ideas which should be encouraged, not ridiculed.
@@SeedsnStems63 I think Im confusing Richard with someone else. Forrest is just too logical for these peeps. Their religion is a part of their culture. Half the stuff they say is recital but the other half is seeped in their culture.
What a surprise. Humans being fearful, distrusting, and prone to wild speculation about things they don't understand. This is why we need to teach the basics of rationalism and the foundations of science at a much earlier age. People shouldn't have to wait until college until they are taught about how rational thinking works.
I think I reasonably understand AI and although I won't say I'm "scared" I am definitely worried. It certainly is disruptive technology, in the sense that it will utterly change professional roles in society, and we have little insight in where it will lead. You don't even have to go as far as to wonder whether a malicious AI will be able to take over control of a nuclear plant, for instance. Just the effect on the ability to generate "fake news" seems like a game changer to me. The weak link will likely remain the human for now, but that is a seriously weak link. If an Indian scammer can get a naive person to hand them over all of their money, or hackers can take hostage the computer grid of a hospital, then please don't be surprised if deception with AI allows this to take on much more egregious forms.
@landsgevaer I'm not worried that the AI will rise up and destroy us. But I am worried about what humans will do with this technology. The limited not " AI" language simulation programs that are being called AI in the media are already proving to be tools of destruction in the hands of bad actors.
I don't think we're going to have a dooms day scenario like in the Terminator, but we are seeing how disruptive it has become, mostly because of how incompetently it is being implemented.
@@SleepyMatt-zzzthe difference between "oh no, the AI is out of control, it hates humans and is gonna kill us all!" and "oh no, corporations' use of AI is out of control, they hate humans and are gonna kill us all...as further facilitated by AI"
1:45:50 - "I remember the oddities of genetics" says it all really. Several times Lee has used phrases that suggest he thinks that anyone with a genetic makeup that places them away from the peaks of the bimodal distribution of sex is defective. Need I go on?
Lee's call frustrates me to no end. The caller didn't give pronouns which is already a sign of bad things to come. They then spent so long complaining that people were being accurate when explaining things that aren't simple. Like, oh no, these crazy extremists talking about how you can't always tell a person's sex from their bones, how crazy that people are accurate about how reality works. Yes, we should explain nuance where there's nuance. How crazy extremist of us that want to be correct.
@@mactallica9293OR... maybe the show should stop asking. Why are the 99+% of people now having to waste our time on such things? If you're part of the less than 1%... YOU bring it up.
Not able to watch this yet but is this the first time Emma has been on AXP? Two of my favourite content creators together on the same episode, excited for this one.
At the end of Richard's call, I caught myself quoting Eddie Izzard. "Don't do bad things; only do good things. Always treat your neighbor like someone who lives near to you. Never put a sock in a toaster. Never put jam on a magnet. Never throw your granny in a bag. Never suck all the juice out of a vampire. Never lean over on Tuesdays."
The gender and sex discussion was amazing. Emma and Foresst hit it out of the park. It's sad the caller isn't able to integrate new information, as it was incredibly telling how he admitted as much.
@sandersson2813 If learning about the differences of sex and gender upsets you so much. I'm not sure what to tell you. Both of the hosts had some very level-headed and scientific takes, so I suggest putting whatever weird political biases you might have and keep an open mind when learning new information.
@@Nazzul That wasn't my point actually. My question was why it is so often brought into a conversation about religious belief. It seems to come up every week based on a topic it has no relation to.
@sandersson2813 I guess you should ask the many religious callers who bring it up. It looks like believing that gender is binary is connected to religious dogma which in turn is connected to conservative talking points. It's all linked in a way ecspecially with shows like this.
@@Nazzul No more than claiming gender is whatever you say it is at that particular time is a left wing American atheist position. Just wish they'd leave it out of the show when it's apropos of nothing.
Forrest and Emma are so great to listen to, respectful but also direct and informative. I find this comforting (nice to hear intelligent, informed, calm, rational people). After about 12+ years of watching atheist podcasts and debates, I can't listen to yelling and mocking anymore.
We LOVE Emma and Forrest, please have Emma back soon. We love the knowledge and kindness, that is not a trait or skill that I have when dealing with christians! Thanks for all the great work and lessons along the way. 💜💜💜
With Josh’s statement (not verbatim probably): “I watched the Ken Ham Bill Nye Debate and Ken Ham, when asked what would change his mind, he responded with ‘nothing would change my mind,’ it bothered me because he wasn’t being humble.” Bill Nye was asked the same question and responded with, “One thing! Just one good piece of evidence will make me believe in a god.” Again, not verbatim except the “one thing!” phrase. Also, Josh, I was in your position where all the evidence was stacking against my belief system that I had been born into to (Christianity) and I’ve always wanted to know what was true no matter what. I feel like the rest of my family convinced themselves that a god is real and just never looked into anything that would be against their beliefs unless it was in a setting like church where a pastor could manipulate their emotions and play on intellectual dishonesty to keep them believing.
Richard called The Line too saying the same BS and when they showed how flawed his hypothesis was he got all butt hurt and condescending, and hung up! So now I can see how well he fared here! Facepalm protection strapped on, and ready to go! Back: Yep his opening was the exact same script (literally read as such or memorized), and again he was shown to think way too much of how far AI is, and was way too confident of the outcome, and when shown fallacious he just took the easy way out and hung up! I wouldn't at all be surprised if he does the very same thing many callers do: Call more shows and try his luck, or call again with different hosts (and of course complain about the ones who already showed he can easily be wrong)... He is not looking for answers, he's fishing to feed his conformation bias! He should call Joe Rogan, and Joe will be all fascinated by him...
To be fair, it's not Richard's hypothesis, the phrase "technological singularity" was coined by mathematician, computer scientist and yes, science fiction author Vernor Vinge in his 1993 essay "The Coming of the Technological Singularity" which you can read on NASA's website. The concept is taken very seriously by social planning organizations like the Long Now Foundation, which has hosted multiple lectures, pro and con, on the subject -- Vinge thinks it's the most likely scenario, Bruce Sterling thinks it isn't.
I wonder if this is Astroturfing, and he's being paid to get the idea of dangerous AI out. I don't know what such a generic fear could be trying to sell of sabotage, but I feel like someone so confident in their prediction wouldn't be so rigid in their script.
@@SaintJermaniaI know that, add Ray Kurzweil too, but that in no way means it is a must happen, nor that we are going to have it the way he describes it with nano-bots and all in only a few years, nor that we have no way to stop it! There are big problems with all of those predictions, because they are based on too many other predictions, some that are still physical impossibilities as of yet, like that we should already have working quantum computing, which we don't, that AI will get things right which it often doesn't... and that we it's creators won't build in fail-safes and have the ability to just cut the power...
@@TlalocTemporalAstroturfing? Like everyone isn't already leery about it and there isn't already enough fear mongering to warrant paying people, or it's forbidden to speak about which it isn't... I agree that someone confident in their prediction wouldn't need a script, or not be able to say it in different ways, to communicate to people with differing understanding, but there's justified confidence like a scientist has in a well established and obviously correct theory, and being confident in a mere belief by some mental compulsion where one goes by the data, and the other the feeling, data be damned! I noticed that every time he was countered with other possibilities he immediately jumps to some other mere unsubstantiated claim, as if it nullified their counter... typical blind faith believer unwilling to process any information that could lead to showing them wrong, because they didn't call to see if their belief holds up to scrutiny, but to fish for confirmation that they are indeed absolutely right, so they can reinforce their belief, which often leads to the belief that everyone is conspiring against them, or has already been brain washed by "THEY"... The fact that he wouldn't even consider any counter argument, no matter how valid, and even much more probable, and then quickly hung up as soon as he saw it was going know where, can be an indicator this guy is indeed overconfident, and somewhat psychotic, and I can easily see him on a rampage trying to get out his "Information" and calling all kinds of shows, and writing who knows... I would love to see him on Joe Rogan!!! Isn't it funny that every doomsday sayer predicting the unavoidable and unstoppable end of civilization waste their every waking minute pushing it on others as if that can avoid the unavoidable? Why not just live it up until it happens in the knowledge that if it's unavoidable for all, then they are included, and no amount of preaching it can help? I guess that every blind faith believer still has a sliver of doubt, or even a whole bunch deep down, and it's just something wrong in their processing center to not consider it.
“The person who tells you to think about something less that’s the thing you should think about the most and that person you should trust the least”- forest , great qoute
Been trying to remember the comedian who does a joke about Jesus not really being known for his carpentry. That you'd think someone would have saved something that he'd done. "Have I heard of Jesus? You mean that guy that built me that wobbly three-legged table?"
There's also that Kids in the Hall sketch where they say they've discovered from archeological digs that Jesus was a lousy carpenter, and though he may have been a great spiritual teacher and, as some maintain, the messiah, that his lack of craftsmanship shows that he clearly had few career opportunities, likely unable to even construct the cross on which he was eventually executed.
Not sure if it's the one you're thinking of but there was a Kids in the Hall sketch with this premise. "Now this table has only two legs. I've conferred with many leading contemporary carpenters and they all agree that three is the bare minimum required for stability."
@@cameroncimmerius1203 LOL It may have been Kids in the Hall. Although I do seem to remember the specific line "wobbly three-legged table" because we all know that's impossible.
Luke 17:26 - Jesus believed that Noah and the flood myth was history. Josh understands that the flood of Noahs day never happened. But, Jesus/god? Keep going brother, you’re almost there.
@@jaflenbond7854 Why are you so *LAZY,* Jaffles? The least you could do here is put some effort into tidying up the spacing of your copy pasta scripts of *SPAM!!!* "He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster" - Proverbs 18:9 "The sluggard is wiser in his own conceit than seven men that can render a reason" - Proverbs 26:16
No way, Emma and Forrest! I just started having this dream where they were working at some job that I was also working. Turns out autoplay had started this in the middle of my dream. Very confusing way to wake up. (Edited first sentence by subbing in "I was" where it used to say "they were". Half-awake post.)
Well, Richard is 2 for 2 now. Both here and on The Line he drops his fearmongering techno babble and runs away like a coward the moment its challenged.
Atheists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatic members of all kinds of Religions in the world KNOW and are fully aware that they are Satan the Devil's slaves and spreaders of the LIES and false claims that - 1. the BIBLE is just a worthless book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales 2. Jesus Christ is worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth The Creator KNOWS that his favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in the Bible, in Revelation 21: 3, 4 is NOT for Satan the Devil's arrogant, cruel, and merciless slaves and spreaders of LIES and deceits but ONLY for all lowly, ordinary, and kind persons on earth who willingly submit to the authority of Jesus Christ and believe too his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as written in the Bible, in Matthew 28: 18, Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26 Jesus Christ KNOWS that all human beings will just return to dusts after their deaths as written in the Bible, in Ecclesiastes 3: 19, 20 ; 9: 5, 6 but he knows too that his teaching about the "Resurrection of the Dead" is the Creator's guarantee that all loving, kind, and respectful persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Job, Ruth, Naomi, King David, his Followers and disciples, and many others will all be RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily, abundantly, and peacefully live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects and citizens of the "KINGDOM of GOD" and fully enjoy his and the Creator's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under his loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in the Bible, in Revelation 11: 15.
@@jaflenbond7854 Why are you so *LAZY,* Jaffles? The least you could do here is put some effort into tidying up the spacing of your copy pasta scripts of *SPAM!!!* "He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster" - Proverbs 18:9 "The sluggard is wiser in his own conceit than seven men that can render a reason" - Proverbs 26:16
What amaze me the most about Forrest is that he always knows on which show he is. I don't recall hearing him say like “you're on AXP” or "welcome to AXP" on his other shows (and vice versa).
Lee is a wolf In sheep clothing tryna appear like the sheep and desperate to get the majority white sheep to exclude the minority black sheep… majority white sheep have become aware that their past exclusions of black sheep allowed the wolves to harm and kill them.. pick them off… so white sheep are all now trying to INCLUDE the minority black sheep in all things .. aka it doesn’t take away from generalized majority white sheep stuff but it now includes minority black sheep stuff.. so wolves find it harder and harder to pick off black Sheep so ppl like lee.. wolves in sheep cloths try hard and determine to try to convince majority white sheep to focus on majority generalized stuff as if including the black sheep stuff takes away from the majority.. 😂 lee may look like a sheep .. smell like one.. sound like one.. but he leaves paw prints not hoof prints… 😂 lee is a rat.. he’s one of those ppl that’s a enemy within ur ranks… it’s like racism.. I’d rather battle an open racist .. I can see my enemy and I know they don’t like me and they know I don’t like them.. but the racist who who doesn’t sound like they are racist and in ur ranks and help u fight racist but undermine you and do racist shit… literally pat u on the back but stab u when they can… like how Emma called him out say it went we agree on this and that but about the generalized vs inclusion stuff? Wut are u getting at.. exactly wut point are u really tryna make.. 😂 exactly my view the whole time.. example after example by them and he just couldn’t grasp it or it’s intentional dishonest and has a foul motive but trying to appear like a sheep ..he’s a fking wolf.. 😂 he’s trying so hard.. the determination is insane to have the black sheep minority excluded from the generalized white sheep.. 💀 he’s a RAT.. a WEASEL.. a snake.. 😂
To be fair, it's not Richard's hypothesis, the phrase "technological singularity" was coined by mathematician, computer scientist and yes, science fiction author Vernor Vinge in his 1993 essay "The Coming of the Technological Singularity" which you can read on NASA's website. The concept is taken very seriously by social planning organizations like the Long Now Foundation, which has hosted multiple lectures, pro and con, on the subject -- Vinge thinks it's the most likely scenario, Bruce Sterling thinks it isn't.
Really enjoyed Forrest's conversation with Lee. Shocking that Forrest didn't know who PZ Meyers was right away, but this is the first time I've heard Forrest be honest in differentiating between species level truths and individual biological exceptions.
Richard called into the Line too and was picked first on that show too because he had a misleading topic he passed to the screeners. I commented on the Line as well. He was so boring that I skipped him on both channels.
Man, hearing Josh thinking out loud brought back a lot of memories. He genuinely sounds like a good guy, just struggling with his internal need to be intellectually honest and desperately trying to balance that out with holding on to some belief system he was raised with that simply is incompatible with the level of intellectual honesty and open-mindedness he displayed. I look forward to hearing an update from him, regardless of where he ends up. If he remains a theist but shows willing to change his position on creationism and young earth beliefs because of the evidence, then good on him. If he ends up calling himself agnostic or atheist, I won't be surprised. In that case, all I can hope for is that the people in his life value truth and honesty as much as he does. And just in case Josh decides to check up on the comments here: Take your time, do what is right by you. If you are indeed going through a similar thing I went through (the Hell problem in particular), what Emma said did it for me. Now it's all so painfully transparent, but anyone who's been where you are at knows how hard it is to see it all. I started writing all of the things up I came to realise along the way, but decided against it. This is your story, your path, and you decide where to take things.
First caller, I want to make sure I set a reminder to come back in 5 years and comment that he was wrong. But I'm sure when that time comes he will come up with some excuse as to why crisis was averted
isn't some degree of computer required to qualify as a cyborg. I think what you mean to say is we've had amputees since we've had amputees....cyborg, from cyber "cyber - relating to electronic communication networks and virtual reality"
00:00 | Intro
07:05 | Richard AZ-Technological Singularity
23:25 | Josh TX-Spiritual Deconstruction
1:06:14 | Tyler CO-Creationism=Science?
2:14:31 | Hayden AZ-Abortion Rights
You've missed Lee! and he was so open minded and willing to change his mind!
time stamps don't seem to be synchronized...probably something has been edited out after. Also, you forgot to include Lee from Australia's call.
1:16:00 ish Lee for nearly an hour
Teenage Jesus, "Mommy, where do babies come from?"
Joseph,. "Yeah Mary where do babies come from?"
Whaow, I love this one.
wouldn't it be wonderful to be a fly on the wall when Mary came home and explained to joseph how she got pregnant?
@@TheSnoeedog Yeah, what if Marie just foold around with the neighbors son and then made up some silly story about a sky daddy. And Joseph, not the brightest, just believed it.
@@MrCanis4 I don't know....on the one hand, the all powerful, all knowing, all loving cause of all things, sent an angel to heaven to announce the impending immaculate conception, such that the actual son of the actual god will be born to live a perfect life only to be sacrificed in a grisly blood magic ritual.....or a married, pregnant, iron age teenager lied about how she got that way....
The baby daddy is a ghost ...
Mary was raped by a ghost...she didn't consent to anything. She was TOLD she'd have a son. Since when do ghosts have sex? Do they have penises? LOL
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Emma and Forrest more often, please! Great co-hosts together
Such a great combo!
I would love for Forrest's co-hosts to have more speaking time. But that's probably not realistic.
My fav is Forrest and Gutsick
I want to hear Erika and Emma hosting Chewed Gum. (Yeah, that's a different channel, but so much cross pollination.)
@@charisma-hornum-friesit depends, when it is his expertise he should talk about it a lot and he has been doing it for a while, for some of the Co-hosts who havent done it for a while it's good to how someone experienced does it, I do agree that Forrest should let the co-host talk more still.
So glad to see Emma back on the show. Especially cool that she's with forrest. We need more of her.
The callers of today's show:
7:09 Richard - Defending the God belief with the argument from technological singularity.
23:33 Josh - Wants to share a story of spiritual deconstruction (rejecting hell, accepting evolution).
1:06:30 Tyler - Believes the bible adequately explains how life was diversified, therefore bible true.
1:16:53 Lee - There are only two sexes.
2:14:35 Hayden - Wants to talk about abortion and especially Forrest's biological view on it.
Thank you🍻
Is Lee that biblical guy???
@@jonparker5728No.
Next time add “theist” or “atheist” so we know which callers to skip lol.
@@jamesmichael9341 I'll keep it in mind. Hopefully the caller prompts are telling enough this time haha
Emma & Forrest; a superb duo
ALMOST as good as Forrest and Johnny! 😏
@@DJ-Synth-On-Fire Screw jesus
@@Lateralus46and2 😂😂
@@DJ-Synth-On-Firenow I get it. You’re a Poe.
@@DJ-Synth-On-FireYou're a funny guy.... unhinged but funny.
I'm an Xray technologist. As soon as I heard Lee go into complaining that we don't teach about atypical anatomical features, my mind went right back to my lessons on body habitus. It is very important in my job to be able to look at a person and make a well educated guess at what level, say, their stomach is at. Or where the diaphragm is.
Lee reads as someone who very desperately wishes to have a smart sounding reason to dislike that the world is moving forwards without them.
Yep and his fingers are in his ears
Lee also appears to very much like his own voice.
Exactly. He needs to accept that things have moved on. There are unlimited genders. Woman, man, trans, fluid etc. Some relate to gastronomy and there are subcategories within relating to beverages in particular. And within those beverages there are achohol based and those with zero alcohol. Within the alcohol based beverages I’m tending towards the cocktail side of things and can’t help but feel I’m identifying most strongly with bourbon as the major ingredient.
He never argued about gender I don’t think. Are there more than two sexes in biology? Asexual I don’t think is is a different sex, it’s a combination of the two but even if it’s the third sex is there a 4th or more sexes?
@@russellg9622 Indeed, Lee didn't argue about the concept of gender being one distinct from biological sex. Their problem seemed to be not liking that new information about how we think about sex biologically is being taught (or perhaps being pushed to be taught) in schools (though they never specified where). Asexuality has to do with the physical act of sex and is a sexual preference in the same way that homosexuality, bisexuality, or heterosexuality are preferences. Asexuality simply means one does not have any desire to engage in the physical act of sex.
If you want a really good break down of more current and nuanced understanding of biological sex (from this point on when I say sex, I will mean biologically) in humans, I'd suggest Forrest's video titled "Sex and Sensibility." It does a good job of going over the topic. If I were to attempt to summarize it myself, I'd say that it on a species level, it is not entirely incorrect to say there are two sexes in the human species. This does a good job of giving a simplified understanding of what sex is. However, as with all descriptions of the real world, this does not fully encompass the totality of variety within humans. For example, if you were to say that there are only ever possibly two sexes, male and female, based solely on XX or XY chromosomes, you would necessarily be excluding the existence of people who do not have that configuration of chromosomes. Even further down the rabbit hole, you can find people who have XY chromosomes, but with a functioning uterus. Reality is far more complex than our ability to condense it down into language or concepts.
Simply put, as Forrest and Emma repeated in the call, there is nothing wrong with expanding our understanding of the topic to include more people.
If I were to relate this back to my field, taking an x-ray or CT scan of a person is not a one to one picture of what is in the human body. It is only ever an approximation. That's true of all photography. Those images can be very useful in their own right, but it's always important to understand that some amount of information about what is actually in the person is now missing in the transfer from real life physical bodies to 2-D representations of the body.
I hope this helped. Cheers.
Love Emma's comment on Josh. Very kind human response. Puts to shame most Christian's response.
This is the first time I’ve seen Emma. What an absolute delight. Hope to see her more on AXP and The Line. Fantastic hosts.
Her channel is similar to this content, but more fun and less degrees. I was genuinely surprised and delighted to see Emma on
I've been waiting to see whether she ended up on AXP or The Line first. It was just a matter of time.
I dont like her
@@unit0033 why not? Not being argumentative, just curious. She’s an odd duck, not for everyone.
shes aggressive with an annoying voice@@SorenPenrose
Okay, this is a fantasy host set. I didn't realize how much I wanted to see it before seeing the thumbnail, and it did not disappoint. I really look forward to seeing more of these two together.
Are we playing Fantasy AXP now?
Or league play vs The Line (overlapping rosters)?
I love how lovely and polite Emma is all the while not allowing herself to be spoken over.
And Forest, you remind me of a young Bill Nye with the level of excitement for science.
You two together "make science sexy" and fun to learn.
Now just get Shannon Q in there to get angry and talk about the brain.
Yes!!!!
Forrest with a beard? Is the man finally entering his crazy wizard phase? 🥳
We all knew this day would come eventually.
The Biomancer approaches
I guess technically a small amount of scruff counts as a beard.
I thought he was just hitting puberty. Not too be insulting, I'm jealous of how far he's come at such a young age. But damn, he makes me feel old...
@@chuckybangit's a beard in training.
I really appreciate the way you guys handle the caller Josh. He seemed very genuine and inquisitive of his beliefs and journey to the truth. I experienced something very similar to his experience, mine began while in the military and the experiences during my multiple deployments to the Middle East. The horrific things I experienced and witnessed left so many doubts in my mind. Also, the very traumatic medical issues with my spouse, I just really started questioning my own faith. This started about 15 years ago, but only about 2 years ago I really started to deconstruct and now I’m free of those beliefs. It’s been a hell of a journey.
Our country is very multicultural (not America) so most people who gave up their unreliable method of religious faith, did not need to go the Middle East even multiple times.
@@kimsland999 ok, not sure what you are trying to say here. Everyone has different experiences of why they are where they are at, I just expressed my own. I was saying not everyone experiences the same thing or mine is somehow more justifiable.
@@armysapper12b My concern is I feel Americans are being restricted by not experiencing other cultures. And as soon as you did you worked out: But if their God is not true, then why would my God be true? This happens more so in countries with allow a rich diversity, not lets make a wall, America.
@@kimsland999 I’ve been to 27 different countries and experienced more cultures by 21 years old than most people regardless of country. The US is the most diverse and sought after country to live in, we take in 50% of the world’s migrants. We need immigration controls and better policies, this includes visa requirements, a better path to citizenship, better visa tracking, better border security/controls (yes physical barriers work regardless of feelings) and vetting all together. A nations economy and housing can only handle so much, we have US citizens right now that can’t afford housing, so just opening borders is a huge issue and to say otherwise is foolish or from a place of ignorance.
@@armysapper12b That's interesting. So this influx of Muslim believers, are there Mosques in every city?
Josh (The second guy) sounds like such a chill dude honestly, really glad he had an open mind about a longstanding belief
Yeah I grew up southern Baptist like him. Its embedded in the southern culture and it really is a positive influence. It’s more about community than afterlife but everyone has questions about afterlife. It’s difficult to give up your religion and culture at the same time. I’ve come to terms with it but it took years.
In the last century, people were forced to deny it, religion was denigrated and weakened through movies and books. However, all religions call people to goodness, truthfulness and help people. Irreligion was presented as a fashion trend, but the person who moved away from religion moved away from the family and got used to a vagabond life. However, religion connects people with family, kindness to parents, and some worships. glorifies
In the last century, people were forced to deny it, religion was denigrated and weakened through movies and books. However, all religions call people to goodness, truthfulness and help people. Irreligion was presented as a fashion trend, but the person who moved away from religion moved away from the family and got used to a vagabond life. However, religion connects people with family, kindness to parents, and some worships. glorifies
The irony with him is that he's really a Christian in name only; he clearly knows that the Bible is bullshit, he's clearly thinking for himself and dropping the obvious bullshit, and keeping only the feel good parts, but does so somewhat unseriously.
Give this kid some time and he will most likely stop calling himself a Christian in any sense. Maybe he'll call himself agnostic, maybe he'll be an atheist, but I doubt his religious foundations can survive his skepticism.
@@brightroarttttbbbb Religion does not do anything that atheism does not also do better.
It was originally presented as a way to explain how the world we live in works, why it's here, etc. However, scientific breakthroughs now explain that a lot better than religion ever could.
Not only that, but the "morals" that texts such as the Bible give you have 2 problems: 1, they aren't even moral, you don't need to stone your son to death if he doesn't listen to you and gets drunk (see Deuteronomy 21: 18-21). 2: The bible also threatens people that don't follow it or criticize it with.. erm... eternal torment. Christians claim that "God" is forgiving without taking into consideration that the moment you get sent to hell, "God" completely just stops caring about you. Also, killing gay people is kinda cringe ngl (Islam isnt much better either tbh)
best talk show on the god damn planet
emma and Forest vibing so well.
Great show, such a treat having the delightful Emma co-hosting with Forrest. ❤❤❤
Emma’s compassion shared around 34 minutes in brought me to tears. It is truly wonderful to have stumbled upon such wonderful role models in how to talk to those deconstructing.
I didn’t have a formal deconstructing phase - I was basically pushed out of my Christian circles for being gay and I rejected their god over time on my own without really thinking about it. But I have had so much anger and (justified) hatred of religious fundamentalism. I am not always the person to have this kind of conversation. You are both kinder than I would be, while still being tough. It’s given me tools to discuss these things with nuance and to talk to people who used to be in my life. Thank you for sharing your talents and for the work you’re doing.
Jesus in his teen years was turning water into tequila and weed!
OMG! Two of my favorite TH-camrs! 😍
According to the Mormons he was in the United States so he could grab and smoke all the weed growing wild.
I mean...., who didn't! 😅
With the right equipment, you too can turn water into weed.
The original story was, "Jesus made all the bitches wet." There was no water involved, but so much wine.
What was teenage Jesus doing?
Joseph: “Jesus, get out of the bathroom, you’ve been ‘laying on hands’ for hours now!”
OMG.... this is a classic
No one knows what Jesus was doing as his story ends at age 12 and then picks up again at age 32. What was he doing for those 20 years and why didn't someone write it down? It seems to me, however, that 20 years is just enough time for Jesus to be getting married and having children.
@anonymousjohnson976 There are some theories that show that he may have been in trading Caravans and learned a bunch from his travels East towards the Buddhist and Vedic disciplines. That would explain why he sounds so enlightened among all the barely even human middle easterners.
@@thomasprislacjr.4063 : Yes, I think he was probably educated in traveling and mingling with other peoples and cultures.
@@AtheismPoisonsEverything: Atheists do believe there is something wrong about slavery, as no human should be enslaved ever. The first commandment should have been "Thou Shalt Not Own Another Human Being." Leon Trotsky was an atheist and murdered many people; however, not in the name of atheism, but in the name of power and control. Christians, Muslims, and other religious figures have also committed atrocities; here are a few of them.
The massacre in Rwanda, 800,000 dead in 100 days. (Mostly Christians killing Christians.)
2 World Wars started by theists (Germany, Czarist Russia, Japan, Italy) 90 million dead in 10 years.
10 million killed in the 30-year war. (More Christians killing Christians).
The Lushon rebellion during the Tang Dynasty, 30 million deaths (not atheists).
The 100-year-war, 3 million dead (yep, Jesus followers).
The wars in the Democratic Republic of Congo (5 million dead in 6 years) (again, Christians).
40 million dead in the Three Kingdom Wars in China (not atheist).
6 million dead in the Napoleonic wars (again, Christians).
So, what have we here with all of the wars, killings, atrocities and genocides going on with religion? Isn't religion supposed to be peaceful and bring harmony to the world? I guess not as look at what has been going on now in the Middle East for thousands and thousands of years over the land with each side believing the land was given to them by a god and the little children and infants suffer. Shameful! There will never be peace if people do not obtain the critical thinking skills they so sorely need in order to stop all of the horrible killing, strife, sadness, starvation, etc. etc. etc. etc.
Imagine peace and maybe someday it will come to fruition.
Thank you, Emma and Forest
Joseph: Yeshua, I need you to go sweep up the wood shavings in the shop.
Teenage Jesus: You're not my real dad! You can't make me!
😂
@@jaflenbond7854 Why are you so *LAZY,* Jaffles? The least you could do here is put some effort into tidying up the spacing of your copy pasta scripts of *SPAM!!!*
"He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster" - Proverbs 18:9
"The sluggard is wiser in his own conceit than seven men that can render a reason" - Proverbs 26:16
@@holgerlubotzki3469 WORTHLESS and USELESS ATHEISM and RELIGIOUS FANATICISM
The Creator KNOWS
that all Atheists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatic members of all kinds of Religions in the world
who trick and deceive their own families and neighbors to believe their Satanic LIES and false claims that -
1. the BIBLE is not the source of Truths but just a worthless book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales
2. Jesus Christ is unworthy and undeserving to be honored and respected as his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth
are
obviously the arrogant, cruel, merciless, and deceitful persons on earth
who
can't be trusted with anything and are worthy and deserving of their own dishonor, disgrace, downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS, never to be seen and heard ever again on the face of the earth
while
all persons on earth who willingly submit to the authority of Jesus Christ and put their faith and hope in his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead"
as written in Matthew 28: 18, Luke 4: 43, and John 11: 25, 26
are
clearly the lowly, ordinary, kind, and respectful Followers of Jesus Christ
who
can be trusted with anything and worthy and deserving of his favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death
as written in the Bible, in Revelation 21: 3, 4.
Jesus Christ KNOWS
that all human beings will just return to dusts after their deaths
as written in the Bible, in Ecclesiastes 3: 19, 20 ; 9: 5, 6
but
he knows too that his teaching about the "Resurrection of the Dead"
is
the Creator's guarantee that all loving, kind, and respectful persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Job, Ruth, Naomi, King David, his Followers and disciples, and many others
will
all be RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily, abundantly, and peacefully live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects and citizens of the "KINGDOM of GOD"
and fully enjoy his and the Creator's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity
under his loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth
as written in the Bible, in Revelation 11: 15.
@@AtheismPoisonsEverything You can try and ask moa 🤔but it would be way more constructive of you, to ask the slaves.
They will tell what they think of slavery..
I’ve watched these two separately for a bit now, and always thought a collab between them would be great. I love the chemistry and silliness they have!
These two just ooze positivity and knowledge. I love it! ❤
I'm really struggling to determine which is more beautiful; Forrest's unwavering passion for learning and teaching, or Emma's smile.
Both are beautiful
Cringe 😬
@@jcldctt
They’re not mutually exclusive.
Richard:
You basically said "Technology is changing so fast that the outcome is UNPREDICTABLE and I PREDICT the singularity within 5 years."
I don't know how you cannot see the contradiction in that argument?
Yeah, fella has been totally taken in by the bizarrely sensationalist media stories that are designed to be sensationalist about whatever they are talking about and now thinks chat GPT is going to enslave us all.
And where are you going to have the robots and the computer is getting their energy from? Why wouldn't people be able to just pull the plug?
the main problem with self importance fueled delusionists is the complete lack of awareness that they Are deluded...
@@UlexiteTVStoneLexite ah, man, they’re gonna figure out how to power themselves, like in the matrix.
*puts bong down*
@@UlexiteTVStoneLexite Good question. But the answer to that is that it's likely too late the moment you thought of pulling the plug. AI today are known to deceive the tests we design to them, and they're brain-dead compared to the singularity AI experts are wary of. The caller is bad at explaining, which I can't fault him in because he's obviously not an expert in the field. Neither am I, for disclaimer, but I've listened to talks by those who are. Rob Miles is a good channel as a starting point.
The 5 years is straight out of people's ass, though. There is a consensus that AGI will happen in 40 or so years from now, but humans are famously bad at predicting progress. It can happen in 100+ years or it could happen within the next 5 minutes. The consensus, though, is that it _will_ happen. The problem is we're simply not ready.
Whenever someone threatens me with their fave hell, I ask them; "What if there really is a god, and she only sends skeptics and heathens to heaven? What if it turns out that this is all a gullibility test, and hell is reserved for boot-licking sycophants?"
It stands to reason.
By the way, their claimed God MUST be using evidence and reason, otherwise he'd send supposedly good Christians (and imaginary ones) to Christian Hell.
Even Christians believe their God uses evidence (observation) and reason (to determine who's been naughty or nice - plus he checks the list twice).
For Christians to use religious faith (which their God most certainly does not use) they are going against their own God's method! He won't be happy about that.
@@AtheismPoisonsEverything Voltaire never said that, you have been mislead.
Of the many quotes he said, the closest (and most likely) related quote is:
_Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities_
@@AtheismPoisonsEverything THAT was a 2 post joke (or multi post joke).
The second I replied, I thought to myself: Wait this is exactly what he expects me to say. As such I quickly devised a 2nd reply.
Gender men are NOT absurdities.
As gender men are NOT about biology!
hes talking about sex@@kimsland999
The problem is there's no evidence for your god or your hell to actually exist, it's just your subjective opinion stemming from hate towards specific people with a higher level of understanding reality. Also if your threatened with Hell, then you must be a very bad person based on the evidence I've observed so far. 😇
Goodness I love Emma! "I'm sorry, my lovely" and "I'm talking, please, Lee". I chose this video specifically becauseburbhad Forrest and Emma, and they did not disappoint
Woah, woah, WOAH. Emma was on the Atheist Experience? How was I not recommended this sooner!?
That m&m hand-holes joke was simply divine
Forrest is a smartie.
Lee: Non planet Pluto is ok to teach because it was decided by a committee.
Lee: Gender and sex variations arent ok to teach because it was decided by committee..?
Minor nitpick but i think he agreed that gender is too fluid to be a binary. He kept clinging to the simplified version of bimodal only for sex.
@@AtheismPoisonsEverything You mean a christian clergyman that isn't? Much MUCH more prevalent in Christian clergy than any other group. Also, again, not relevant to the discussion, which makes me wonder if it's pure projection, you are accusing others of your own sins.
@HeywoodYabloome atheism isn't a religion, and despite it being looked down upon in both groups, Christian clergyman have an exceedingly high rate of it.
@HeywoodYabloome none. Atheism isn't a religion, as you'd know if you actually watched pretty much any of these. A religion has layers of tenets, and typically a belief in the supernatural. Atheism has neither.
Oh, and Muslims ALSO have high rates of inappropriate behavior towards children, particularly the clergy touching or doing worse to boys (esp in Muslim majority countries) , but also in the form of child marriage. The Muslim world might actually have the highest rate if inappropriate behavior towards children in the world
You can argue against reality, but it will remain true.
@@AtheismPoisonsEverything None. Not least because atheism isn't a religion, which you'd know if you actually knew anything about it at all, but considering your projection, that obviously isn't true. A religion is a set of tenets, typically set up around a culture and often including supernatural elements. Atheism is none of these.
Islam, on the other hand, is all of these, and has possibly the highest rate of inappropriate behavior towards children in the world, notedly in the form of child marriage (like their prophet) but also in the form of their clergy towards little boys in particular in Muslim majority nations.
You may scream and cry and make up stuff, but reality will remain against you until you change.
Emma/Forrest: New favourite host combo.
Awesome arguments from Emma and Forrest to Lee and his difficulty with unlearning and relearning things that were wrong or different in the past. Great show and great hosts.
Emma AND Forrest, at the same time? I am not worthy!! This is too awesome! SO MUCH POWER! 😂
I was here for it!
2:04:55 Forrest casually having dissection tools right next to him feels like a real live version of “cartoon character draws a comically large hammer from nonexistent pocket”
Thank you Emma and Forest. Im intersex and I finally feel SEEN.
Loved listening to Emma on AXP! Been a fan of you both for some time now. It's great to see you both hosting together.
Joseph: "Teenage Jesus, get out here and sweep the floor!"
Mary: "Oh honey... You've got to stop pretending you have a son."
*gasp* I love Forrest and I love Emma - and now they’re together in a video?!?! So excited to see this!
Emma Thorne is proof that Elves exist.
Lee is determined to dehumanize a typical humans apparently
It’s wild he actually can’t grasp simple concept of “yea most of the time it’s A or B but C-Z is possible and doe happen sometimes so it’s important to understand it’s NOT always A or B and in fact sometimes C does the walking not just talking” as important to teach in schools… it’s like he really only wants general stuff taught not the details IF they don’t line up with the GENERALIZED stuff… 💀 personally I view this as someone who openly is on ur side you think u can trust but slowly undermine what u do.. vs ppl outright opposed to u but at least u KNOW who ur enemy is with them.. I may be bias here but I despise weasel and ratty ppl who appear as like they aren’t openly.. 😂 that’s the vibes I get from him… the amount of times Forrest even Emma explained how u can teach BOTH and introduce it at different levels based on age/brain development stages is literally so damn simple yet this dude literally can’t grasp that or intentionally is tryna to undermine it… Emma basically said so we agree on everything basically though not on generalizations and inclusion as we literally can teach both.. doesn’t have to be one or the other… but u seem to have issue.. what are u trying to get at.. ? 😂 I understand all this the first example 20 examples ago and I didn’t even need the first one.. this man actually just either can’t grasp it or intentionally pushing bs.. again weasel rat vibes.. can’t be trusted .. wolf in sheeps clothing vibe if u will… 😂 he’s like wolf telling all the white sheep to really not worry or pay attention too much to the black sheep as including the black sheep in every thing the white sheep know and do will interfere..while the white sheep are like “huh hold up.. black sheep is still a sheep… wtf… we all move as one so we will sle down even take detours if it means including our black sheep… why do u care so much to have us focus on majority white sheep excluding the few black ones? kinda sus.. u look
smell sound like us but I don’t know.. why u got paw prints not hoof prints?! 🤔yea no thanks black sheeps sticking with us even if we have to diverge a little from majority white sheep.. I’m watching you!!!” 😂
@@InanisNihil- He was definitely pushing BS, as revealed with his claims that education is being changed for political reasons (which he disagrees with). He's like other bigots who try to present themselves as being reasonable and fact-based, while obviously promoting bigotry (e.g., "gender critical people," " race realists," etc.). He didn't address Emma's example of surgeries performed on children, to try to make them better fit cultural norms, because he doesn't really care about those people or about any other "anomalies" (his thinking, not mine). He wants to oppose support for trans people. He just used the "anomalies" to argue that people who don't fit into binary conceptions of sex and gender don't count and shouldn't be acknowledged in schools (at the very least).
@@loki2240 that last part u mentioned about anomalies and ppl who don’t fit… actually reminds me basic individuality… even as a majority and fitting in to many categories.. as an INDIVIDUAL I literally still don’t fit into some .. i think that applies to all humans period.. 😂 so to if I where to disagree with you there I’d logically be disregarding the places where I don’t fit in.. it’s exactly what ppl of his mindset do.. it’s wild to me tbh… 😂 t reminds me of the argue about bathrooms.. as a man I literally go to the bath to piss.. I could careless what a person has in their pants.. 😂 long as their in the bathroom doing bathroom things… if something so simple offends ppl no wonder stuff like this topic does do. . Though I will say I’m more ok with women In general using mens bathrooms then men using womens and I solely based they on guys known to be creepy .. but either way I really don’t care.. that how I feel about this topic. inclusion doesnt hurt education nor more then it hurts us using the bathroom next to a trans person.. 😂
Whatever Lee’s intentions are his questions are similar to questions a lot of people have. When talking about biology in animals we talk about sex unless we talk about humans then we talk about sex and gender but we classify humans as animals too with apparently a special set of rules. It’s ok to ask questions.
1:24:52 a story about about someone being mistreated is sad obviously and shouldn’t happen but it has nothing to do with science.
@russellg9622 lots of people have questions, that doesnt make their questions good ones. Especially when they work to misunderstand the facts due to bias. science doesn't attribute value to how a human presents themselves. People do that. The most important realization i ever had is that science terms do not PRESCRIBE what something IS, they just attempt to DESCRIBE it. Saying humans are male and female isn't a RULE. It doesn't tell humans what to be, it only describes how they typical present. It is for ease of discussion, not for ousting individuals from society. And animals don't talk to us so we have no idea if they have "gender". We are humans w language and we can and do discuss and investigate what we are. Forrest is about the best person u could watch to understand sex and gender, if u don't get it after listening to him, I have to wonder if ur trying..
The train wreck that is Forrest reading should be a segment, Emma correcting him could easily make a series
Teenaged Jesus had a full on metal phase. The only relic of this era is an unwashed Number of the Beast t-shirt.
It's on display in the Vatican. Bruce Dickinson autographed it.
@@RichWoods23 kinda like the “Shirt of Turin”
Richard called into the line and got absolutely destroyed by Jimmy and S&S already
Yeah I heard that. "I believe in god but it doesn't exist yet but it will and it's technology that we have no idea will be possible or not but it will know how many neutrinos are passing through your body it's got all the omnis". Sure, anything's possible if you just make stuff up.
“Destroyed” is a misused term. It makes it seems like it’s a battle with a winner and loser. Which don’t forget is how religion indoctrinated people. “They are wrong, we are right”. In truth It’s just a conversation with conflicting ideas which should be encouraged, not ridiculed.
Good point @@russellg9622
@@russellg9622 I totally agree with my use of the word “destroyed” but Richard was totally just making stuff up
@@SeedsnStems63 I think Im confusing Richard with someone else. Forrest is just too logical for these peeps. Their religion is a part of their culture. Half the stuff they say is recital but the other half is seeped in their culture.
Emma and Forrest handled Josh very gently and with a lot of compassion.
Lee is concern trolling.
Classic episode
Sheer brilliance amusing, hilarious, educational
Epitome of quality
People who don’t understand AI at all, definitely seem to be scared of AI. What a surprise!
What a surprise. Humans being fearful, distrusting, and prone to wild speculation about things they don't understand.
This is why we need to teach the basics of rationalism and the foundations of science at a much earlier age. People shouldn't have to wait until college until they are taught about how rational thinking works.
I think I reasonably understand AI and although I won't say I'm "scared" I am definitely worried.
It certainly is disruptive technology, in the sense that it will utterly change professional roles in society, and we have little insight in where it will lead.
You don't even have to go as far as to wonder whether a malicious AI will be able to take over control of a nuclear plant, for instance. Just the effect on the ability to generate "fake news" seems like a game changer to me. The weak link will likely remain the human for now, but that is a seriously weak link. If an Indian scammer can get a naive person to hand them over all of their money, or hackers can take hostage the computer grid of a hospital, then please don't be surprised if deception with AI allows this to take on much more egregious forms.
@landsgevaer I'm not worried that the AI will rise up and destroy us. But I am worried about what humans will do with this technology. The limited not " AI" language simulation programs that are being called AI in the media are already proving to be tools of destruction in the hands of bad actors.
I don't think we're going to have a dooms day scenario like in the Terminator, but we are seeing how disruptive it has become, mostly because of how incompetently it is being implemented.
@@SleepyMatt-zzzthe difference between "oh no, the AI is out of control, it hates humans and is gonna kill us all!" and "oh no, corporations' use of AI is out of control, they hate humans and are gonna kill us all...as further facilitated by AI"
Lee just sounds like my dad with music, it was fine back in my day, why do they need to change it.
Emma and Valkai crossover? Yes please!
I love how Emma called out Lee on his shit. That was amazing. Forrest realy made it easy to understand. But he refused, he has to stay cluless.
1:45:50 - "I remember the oddities of genetics" says it all really. Several times Lee has used phrases that suggest he thinks that anyone with a genetic makeup that places them away from the peaks of the bimodal distribution of sex is defective. Need I go on?
Lee's call frustrates me to no end. The caller didn't give pronouns which is already a sign of bad things to come.
They then spent so long complaining that people were being accurate when explaining things that aren't simple. Like, oh no, these crazy extremists talking about how you can't always tell a person's sex from their bones, how crazy that people are accurate about how reality works.
Yes, we should explain nuance where there's nuance. How crazy extremist of us that want to be correct.
They need to make fun of those people. Call them ma'am or she. It could be a good point about mislabeling people
@@mactallica9293 Or keep switching pronouns. They seem to be more triggered by pronouns than "the abc folks" (their word).
@@mactallica9293OR... maybe the show should stop asking. Why are the 99+% of people now having to waste our time on such things? If you're part of the less than 1%... YOU bring it up.
@seekeroftruth6728 Sorry Mrs
@@mactallica9293 Guess what? I don't feel the need to cancel you and ruin your life. Crazy, huh?
Not able to watch this yet but is this the first time Emma has been on AXP? Two of my favourite content creators together on the same episode, excited for this one.
At the end of Richard's call, I caught myself quoting Eddie Izzard.
"Don't do bad things; only do good things. Always treat your neighbor like someone who lives near to you. Never put a sock in a toaster. Never put jam on a magnet. Never throw your granny in a bag. Never suck all the juice out of a vampire. Never lean over on Tuesdays."
I loved Emma coming in with the.. "sorry.. you're reacting to bloggers... seen this a lot"
Just awesome.
The gender and sex discussion was amazing. Emma and Foresst hit it out of the park. It's sad the caller isn't able to integrate new information, as it was incredibly telling how he admitted as much.
Why do these shows supposedly about why someone believes in fairy tales always seems to descend into gender ideology?
@sandersson2813 If learning about the differences of sex and gender upsets you so much. I'm not sure what to tell you. Both of the hosts had some very level-headed and scientific takes, so I suggest putting whatever weird political biases you might have and keep an open mind when learning new information.
@@Nazzul That wasn't my point actually. My question was why it is so often brought into a conversation about religious belief.
It seems to come up every week based on a topic it has no relation to.
@sandersson2813 I guess you should ask the many religious callers who bring it up. It looks like believing that gender is binary is connected to religious dogma which in turn is connected to conservative talking points. It's all linked in a way ecspecially with shows like this.
@@Nazzul No more than claiming gender is whatever you say it is at that particular time is a left wing American atheist position.
Just wish they'd leave it out of the show when it's apropos of nothing.
Forrest: I'm gonna be very brief.
Also Forrest: Goes on to ramble for 5mins :D
Love the dude.
This was such a good episode. Good job, guys.
It was one of the worst episodes. Come on.
@@casparuskruger4807Well, these things are subjective, but I was genuinely entertained :)
@@Murkoph way, way way too many superchats to the point of being ridiculous.
I found Josh's story to be super relatable. Mine was similar. I hope he finds what he's looking for.
Forrest saying “innit” is everything 😊
Forrest and Emma are so great to listen to, respectful but also direct and informative. I find this comforting (nice to hear intelligent, informed, calm, rational people). After about 12+ years of watching atheist podcasts and debates, I can't listen to yelling and mocking anymore.
Just because a model works, doesn’t mean it can’t be improved upon.
We LOVE Emma and Forrest, please have Emma back soon. We love the knowledge and kindness, that is not a trait or skill that I have when dealing with christians! Thanks for all the great work and lessons along the way. 💜💜💜
With Josh’s statement (not verbatim probably): “I watched the Ken Ham Bill Nye Debate and Ken Ham, when asked what would change his mind, he responded with ‘nothing would change my mind,’ it bothered me because he wasn’t being humble.” Bill Nye was asked the same question and responded with, “One thing! Just one good piece of evidence will make me believe in a god.” Again, not verbatim except the “one thing!” phrase. Also, Josh, I was in your position where all the evidence was stacking against my belief system that I had been born into to (Christianity) and I’ve always wanted to know what was true no matter what. I feel like the rest of my family convinced themselves that a god is real and just never looked into anything that would be against their beliefs unless it was in a setting like church where a pastor could manipulate their emotions and play on intellectual dishonesty to keep them believing.
The approach on this show is so fun and joyful. You've restored my belief in younger generations. Keep it up guys.
Forrest AND Emma? Today’s gonna be a good day 😌
This is the second video on this channel I've watched and I've enjoyed both of your channels before.
Richard called The Line too saying the same BS and when they showed how flawed his hypothesis was he got all butt hurt and condescending, and hung up! So now I can see how well he fared here! Facepalm protection strapped on, and ready to go!
Back: Yep his opening was the exact same script (literally read as such or memorized), and again he was shown to think way too much of how far AI is, and was way too confident of the outcome, and when shown fallacious he just took the easy way out and hung up!
I wouldn't at all be surprised if he does the very same thing many callers do: Call more shows and try his luck, or call again with different hosts (and of course complain about the ones who already showed he can easily be wrong)... He is not looking for answers, he's fishing to feed his conformation bias! He should call Joe Rogan, and Joe will be all fascinated by him...
He hung up on both shows because he’s a coward
To be fair, it's not Richard's hypothesis, the phrase "technological singularity" was coined by mathematician, computer scientist and yes, science fiction author Vernor Vinge in his 1993 essay "The Coming of the Technological Singularity" which you can read on NASA's website. The concept is taken very seriously by social planning organizations like the Long Now Foundation, which has hosted multiple lectures, pro and con, on the subject -- Vinge thinks it's the most likely scenario, Bruce Sterling thinks it isn't.
I wonder if this is Astroturfing, and he's being paid to get the idea of dangerous AI out. I don't know what such a generic fear could be trying to sell of sabotage, but I feel like someone so confident in their prediction wouldn't be so rigid in their script.
@@SaintJermaniaI know that, add Ray Kurzweil too, but that in no way means it is a must happen, nor that we are going to have it the way he describes it with nano-bots and all in only a few years, nor that we have no way to stop it! There are big problems with all of those predictions, because they are based on too many other predictions, some that are still physical impossibilities as of yet, like that we should already have working quantum computing, which we don't, that AI will get things right which it often doesn't... and that we it's creators won't build in fail-safes and have the ability to just cut the power...
@@TlalocTemporalAstroturfing? Like everyone isn't already leery about it and there isn't already enough fear mongering to warrant paying people, or it's forbidden to speak about which it isn't...
I agree that someone confident in their prediction wouldn't need a script, or not be able to say it in different ways, to communicate to people with differing understanding, but there's justified confidence like a scientist has in a well established and obviously correct theory, and being confident in a mere belief by some mental compulsion where one goes by the data, and the other the feeling, data be damned!
I noticed that every time he was countered with other possibilities he immediately jumps to some other mere unsubstantiated claim, as if it nullified their counter... typical blind faith believer unwilling to process any information that could lead to showing them wrong, because they didn't call to see if their belief holds up to scrutiny, but to fish for confirmation that they are indeed absolutely right, so they can reinforce their belief, which often leads to the belief that everyone is conspiring against them, or has already been brain washed by "THEY"... The fact that he wouldn't even consider any counter argument, no matter how valid, and even much more probable, and then quickly hung up as soon as he saw it was going know where, can be an indicator this guy is indeed overconfident, and somewhat psychotic, and I can easily see him on a rampage trying to get out his "Information" and calling all kinds of shows, and writing who knows... I would love to see him on Joe Rogan!!!
Isn't it funny that every doomsday sayer predicting the unavoidable and unstoppable end of civilization waste their every waking minute pushing it on others as if that can avoid the unavoidable? Why not just live it up until it happens in the knowledge that if it's unavoidable for all, then they are included, and no amount of preaching it can help?
I guess that every blind faith believer still has a sliver of doubt, or even a whole bunch deep down, and it's just something wrong in their processing center to not consider it.
“The person who tells you to think about something less that’s the thing you should think about the most and that person you should trust the least”- forest , great qoute
Been trying to remember the comedian who does a joke about Jesus not really being known for his carpentry. That you'd think someone would have saved something that he'd done. "Have I heard of Jesus? You mean that guy that built me that wobbly three-legged table?"
There's also that Kids in the Hall sketch where they say they've discovered from archeological digs that Jesus was a lousy carpenter, and though he may have been a great spiritual teacher and, as some maintain, the messiah, that his lack of craftsmanship shows that he clearly had few career opportunities, likely unable to even construct the cross on which he was eventually executed.
Not sure if it's the one you're thinking of but there was a Kids in the Hall sketch with this premise.
"Now this table has only two legs. I've conferred with many leading contemporary carpenters and they all agree that three is the bare minimum required for stability."
@@cameroncimmerius1203 LOL It may have been Kids in the Hall. Although I do seem to remember the specific line "wobbly three-legged table" because we all know that's impossible.
Lee is basically saying. "I'm old and I don't like change"
This is the way most right-wing people think about change.
Awesome show as always AXP ❤❤❤
Keep up the great work.
Peace Love Empathy From Australia.
Luke 17:26 - Jesus believed that Noah and the flood myth was history. Josh understands that the flood of Noahs day never happened. But, Jesus/god? Keep going brother, you’re almost there.
In his teenage years Jesus was busy being a very naughty boy.
I learned this in a documentary about his life.
@@jaflenbond7854 Why are you so *LAZY,* Jaffles? The least you could do here is put some effort into tidying up the spacing of your copy pasta scripts of *SPAM!!!*
"He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster" - Proverbs 18:9
"The sluggard is wiser in his own conceit than seven men that can render a reason" - Proverbs 26:16
@@holgerlubotzki3469are you posting this under every argument now? XD what is your goal here?
@@annimalasenko7326 Have you met Jaffles?
@@holgerlubotzki3469 I don't think I know who that is. Is Jaffles one of those trolls who spams the comment section with Bible quotes?
@@LillyTheLonelySock Yeah.. he functions at the level of a primitive bot which is why I just respond in kind.
I have loved Emma and forest for so long so I was ecstatic when I saw this vid
No way, Emma and Forrest!
I just started having this dream where they were working at some job that I was also working. Turns out autoplay had started this in the middle of my dream.
Very confusing way to wake up.
(Edited first sentence by subbing in "I was" where it used to say "they were". Half-awake post.)
Well, Richard is 2 for 2 now. Both here and on The Line he drops his fearmongering techno babble and runs away like a coward the moment its challenged.
Literally hung up 😅 Wth lol
He used the same script, too.
2 for 2 (successful)? or 0 for 2 (beat down by the hosts)?
He’s grandiose hyperbole is self refuting
@@arthurstreet2811 0 for 2
What was Jesus doing in his teens? bringing the water to the party and TURNIN IT TO BOOZE
Atheists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatic members of all kinds of Religions in the world
KNOW
and are fully aware that they are Satan the Devil's slaves and spreaders of the LIES and false claims that -
1. the BIBLE is just a worthless book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales
2. Jesus Christ is worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth
The Creator KNOWS
that his favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death
as written in the Bible, in Revelation 21: 3, 4
is
NOT for Satan the Devil's arrogant, cruel, and merciless slaves and spreaders of LIES and deceits
but
ONLY for all lowly, ordinary, and kind persons on earth
who
willingly submit to the authority of Jesus Christ and believe too his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead"
as written in the Bible, in Matthew 28: 18, Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26
Jesus Christ KNOWS
that all human beings will just return to dusts after their deaths
as written in the Bible, in Ecclesiastes 3: 19, 20 ; 9: 5, 6
but
he knows too that his teaching about the "Resurrection of the Dead"
is
the Creator's guarantee that all loving, kind, and respectful persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Job, Ruth, Naomi, King David, his Followers and disciples, and many others
will
all be RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily, abundantly, and peacefully live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects and citizens of the "KINGDOM of GOD"
and fully enjoy his and the Creator's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity
under his loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth
as written in the Bible, in Revelation 11: 15.
@@jaflenbond7854 Why are you so *LAZY,* Jaffles? The least you could do here is put some effort into tidying up the spacing of your copy pasta scripts of *SPAM!!!*
"He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster" - Proverbs 18:9
"The sluggard is wiser in his own conceit than seven men that can render a reason" - Proverbs 26:16
@@jaflenbond7854 Golden Gaytime🙏
What amaze me the most about Forrest is that he always knows on which show he is. I don't recall hearing him say like “you're on AXP” or "welcome to AXP" on his other shows (and vice versa).
Emma handles even heated conversations very well! Get her on more call-in shows! 😁
That Josh guy sounds like an awesome dude! I hope he gets famous soon and has a yacht with supermodels on it. He deserves it.
Well he was a carpenter... so as a teen he was NAILING IT!
Finally, the Emma-Forrest combo.
It feels like Lee is not listening, he is borderline dishonest.
Lee is a wolf In sheep clothing tryna appear like the sheep and desperate to get the majority white sheep to exclude the minority black sheep… majority white sheep have become aware that their past exclusions of black sheep allowed the wolves to harm and kill them.. pick them off… so white sheep are all now trying to INCLUDE the minority black sheep in all things .. aka it doesn’t take away from generalized majority white sheep stuff but it now includes minority black sheep stuff.. so wolves find it harder and harder to pick off black
Sheep so ppl like lee.. wolves in sheep cloths try hard and determine to try to convince majority white sheep to focus on majority generalized stuff as if including the black sheep stuff takes away from the majority.. 😂 lee may look like a sheep .. smell like one.. sound like one.. but he leaves paw prints not hoof prints… 😂 lee is a rat.. he’s one of those ppl that’s a enemy within ur ranks… it’s like racism.. I’d rather battle an open racist .. I can see my enemy and I know they don’t like me and they know I don’t like them.. but the racist who who doesn’t sound like they are racist and in ur ranks and help u fight racist but undermine you and do racist shit… literally pat u on the back but stab u when they can… like how Emma called him out say it went we agree on this and that but about the generalized vs inclusion stuff? Wut are u getting at.. exactly wut point are u really tryna make.. 😂 exactly my view the whole time.. example after example by them and he just couldn’t grasp it or it’s intentional dishonest and has a foul motive but trying to appear like a sheep ..he’s a fking wolf.. 😂 he’s trying so hard.. the determination is insane to have the black sheep minority excluded from the generalized white sheep.. 💀 he’s a RAT.. a WEASEL.. a snake.. 😂
This is the best atheist experience episode of the 25 or so I've listened to. Wow! Both hosts fascinating.
To be fair, it's not Richard's hypothesis, the phrase "technological singularity" was coined by mathematician, computer scientist and yes, science fiction author Vernor Vinge in his 1993 essay "The Coming of the Technological Singularity" which you can read on NASA's website. The concept is taken very seriously by social planning organizations like the Long Now Foundation, which has hosted multiple lectures, pro and con, on the subject -- Vinge thinks it's the most likely scenario, Bruce Sterling thinks it isn't.
Really enjoyed Forrest's conversation with Lee. Shocking that Forrest didn't know who PZ Meyers was right away, but this is the first time I've heard Forrest be honest in differentiating between species level truths and individual biological exceptions.
Richard called into the Line too and was picked first on that show too because he had a misleading topic he passed to the screeners. I commented on the Line as well. He was so boring that I skipped him on both channels.
Yay! My two favorite people on TH-cam! Thank Glob!
YAY EMMA’S HERE! YAY EMMA!
I love Forrest´s and Emma´s channels, glad to see them together
Loved this show. One of the best. Thank you 👍❤️
Man, hearing Josh thinking out loud brought back a lot of memories. He genuinely sounds like a good guy, just struggling with his internal need to be intellectually honest and desperately trying to balance that out with holding on to some belief system he was raised with that simply is incompatible with the level of intellectual honesty and open-mindedness he displayed.
I look forward to hearing an update from him, regardless of where he ends up. If he remains a theist but shows willing to change his position on creationism and young earth beliefs because of the evidence, then good on him. If he ends up calling himself agnostic or atheist, I won't be surprised. In that case, all I can hope for is that the people in his life value truth and honesty as much as he does.
And just in case Josh decides to check up on the comments here: Take your time, do what is right by you. If you are indeed going through a similar thing I went through (the Hell problem in particular), what Emma said did it for me. Now it's all so painfully transparent, but anyone who's been where you are at knows how hard it is to see it all. I started writing all of the things up I came to realise along the way, but decided against it. This is your story, your path, and you decide where to take things.
Someone taking their life is tragic enough. The people left behind shouldn't have the added burden of thinking that person is in torment for eternity.
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richard also clled The Line with nearly literally the same bollocks, he fled there as well
Love love love that this video is Emma and Forrest! Late here, but will pause the vid when I need sleeps
First caller, I want to make sure I set a reminder to come back in 5 years and comment that he was wrong. But I'm sure when that time comes he will come up with some excuse as to why crisis was averted
That's a long ass time to hold on a grudge towards a stranger on the internet😅 maybe take a walk
Josh from TX seemed like a very sincere, honest caller. Good luck in your journey, man!
Emma is right; we've had cyborgs since pirates started attaching hooks and peg legs to amputees.
Artificial limbs are way older than that, as are false teeth and glasses.
isn't some degree of computer required to qualify as a cyborg. I think what you mean to say is we've had amputees since we've had amputees....cyborg, from cyber "cyber - relating to electronic communication networks and virtual reality"
@@RichWoods23 You're right, but I think the cyborg pirate joke was funnier.