For real! It's hard to keep up especially when an update isn't a true update. Eventually, I do hope that we all get one, clear, complete story. This is so sad.
It's so heartbreaking, I can't imagine the pain the families are going through. My condolences to all 4 families, friends, and the community. I truly hope this case is solved soon.
@@BTJ10 I bet you said the same about the bungled Delphi murder investigation, which - it now transpires - could and should have been solved within weeks, not almost 6 years later!
My thoughts exactly. I can't even fathom the pain the families feel. I am so profoundly sorry to you and their friends. Please have faith, justice will be served.
The killer used a military style knife that has a pronounced 'hilt' on it, which prevents the user's hand sliding up the blade, and getting cut during use. On a recent interview with an ex FBI guy, he said in a frenzied attack like this, that hilt could cause significant bruising to the killer's hand. But now we are a month on from the murders, any such tell-tale bruising will likely have faded!
Possible someone was waiting outside. Doubt they’d be more than one present in the house. However, “loose lips, sinks ships”. The possibility of another person knowing about this increases the chances someone will snitch on the other.
As a long long time watcher & researcher of true crime I’ve not had any issues with how police have done anything. Their level of secrecy & lack of info are protecting the investigation, even at the cost of angering the families which is so tough. Families & the general populace almost never understand it. I’ve not had an issue with anything. LE has done so far, even their initial thoughts vs changing their mind on a few things, that’s all par for course. People expect everything now within hours to days, we live in a profoundly ‘immediate’ society. Even Amazon brings our orders now same or next day. But this release *does* feel too soon. Once they release they will never ever have a pristine scene - ever again. It doesn’t hurt anything to wait a bit longer. This is very soon. I hope the state + FBI have tremendously helped them. I do feel regardless of how long it takes, this particular killer will be caught. I send law enforcement a ton of support. They need it, and deserve it. Families are receiving love & support, be sure to support the morale of police who feel the great pressure of doing stuff ‘on time’
so you don't have any problem with the police saying there is no imminent threat when there was and still is? the murderer(s) is/are at large, and the community deserves more answers. i hope at least the families have been allowed to speak to the surviving room mates.
Absolutely! Sadly, a case like this gives the foreign trolls, and those who’ve learned what they know, from these trolls, the opportunity to bash our free press, law enforcement and our justice system.
In a house lived by a group of college kids, no doubt DNA collection will be a lot more complicated for the forensic lab, it will need longer time to gather, process and analyze as the investigation move ahead. 🧐
@@minnah.k my mother and I look alike but not like twins like these two. I said that because I’m sure it makes things even harder for her mother to look in the mirror and literally see her daughter.
the FBI is already helping but they do not have the jurisdiction to take over because it's not a federal crime or an act of terrorism (national threat) They can only assist.
A go fund me?? Lol. Governor Brad little authorized 1 million dollars to be spent on ALL NECESSARY RESOURCES ,and still no reward offered! Wake up people!!
@@marilynwillett804 Girl hush, those families deserve prayers to/from/for/by etc and any other thing that we people & God can do for them. God don't need you speaking for him anyway.
@@June-tb4vi This definently is Not something landlords can be sued over. Im a landlord . 😐 My name is on my properties because I own them. I don't live in any of them.
Sometimes the LACK of forensic,or trace, evidence is evidence in itself!..Godspeed to the investigators working on this case,...and may all of their young souls Rest In Peace!
It's still an active crime scene and evidence is being removed in personal items? And those removing the items are the State Police? Does anyone else think this is a little strange?
This is a crime scene, I know the parents want to belongings. But they don't need people in and out of that house. Too many people in and out. I think unfortunately they should wait for a while to get any personal belongings out of there. You do not want to disrupt this investigation. My thoughts prayers love go out to the family members in this tragic time.
Definitely ; you better believe that whenever they do find someone to charge that during their trial - defense will bring up the fact that SOO MANY people have come an gone since it happened (which obviously isnt good for the prosecution)
Exactly 💯. Way too many feet in and out...they even had an HVAC company there 2 days ago...I mean at this point they should just let the families come on in and get their kid's belongings. 😬
Clearly police have processed the crime scene, documented everything, and done every last procedure that needs to be done. No crime scene is preserved indefinitely! My hope is that if the personal items being given to victims' loved ones are blood spattered, police clean them up before returning them. Here in the UK my friend's sister and niece (mother and daughter),were brutally murdered in her home, by her boyfriend. He stabbed and strangled both women. When police forensic officers finished their work and told family members they could go into the house to retrieve any personal items, they found a very distressing scene. There was blood everywhere, and no clean up had been organised by police to spare them that trauma. I found this shocking - my friend together with other relatives, ended up having to buy cleaning supplies and clean up their loved ones' blood themselves. This included a heavy trail of blood up the stairs, where the killer had chased one victim, stabbing the back of her legs as she tried in vain to flee to the bathroom. Heartbreaking.
The father said the school is not wanting that nor any posters put up anywhere... they're worried they cannot get more people to come to this college... this is absolutely despicable of them
Really, the whole thing is a little weird. What you mentioned as well as the State Police removing the deceased students belongings so soon, and that could possibly contaminate the crime scene. Something's just not right here. 🤔
@@thisisme3238 such a complex case with the amount of things that went on that night. I think at the end we will see it was all right in front of us the whole time
It almost makes me think that if they’re releasing physical belongings to the family that they already know who it is, they’re just building the case now and they just can’t tell the public. I could totally be wrong. I have no idea, but this is just my opinion could be maybe but my heart goes out to families I cannot even imagine or put into words how my heart breaks for them. I have been obsessed with this case because it’s just so unfair. 😢❤
Strikes a nerve. I really like the amount of outrage I’ve noticed over this though. I occasionally read comments from people with problems making fun of the victims. Wish something could be done about people like that.
No they won't. They'll hire one of those disaster recovery companies to clean the place. They'll rent it as soon as they are able. This house will once again become the 'party house'. More Greek Life people will seek to rent the place, and every year on the anniversary the new residents will hold a "Murder Madness Mayhem Bash". They'll charge a cover and sell t-shirts. It will become a popular, annual event. Just watch.
This is a ridiculous expectation. For a property owner to eat that cost. I understand how gruesome, heinous and brutal this crime is but, many homes have had devastating deaths occur inside if them, and that doesn't mean they should automatically be required to be demolished. Foolish, naive expectation. You're thinking emotionally, and again, I understand, but people can't live based on emotion. This is the property owners call and they shouldn't be pushed into doing what others think is morally right. I guess it would be okay as long as it's not you eating easily over a million in cost. These homes are extremely expensive I believe, especially in the college area. It's unrealistic to expect them to lose what they have already invested, as well as cost to demolish then rebuild again. I can speak on this because I own properties I rent out. Great sentiment in theory, but unrealistic. If it happened at one of my properties, I'd be transparent on what happened for potential renters but never demolish and rebuild. That would financial ruin me. If that makes me an A-hole, I'll take that.
This tells me that they've documented everything and either have a sealed case or they have no case at all. You're basically removing the real crime scene from evidence pool by removing items. It obviously doesn't matter anymore.
You're telling me they didn't find ANY trace of the murderer whatsoever? No indentations in the carpet, on the floor, no hairs, no fibres of clothes, no disturbed pieces of furniture, no hampering with front doors, back doors, side doors and/or windows? Absolutely nothing that could indicate another person entered and left the house?
All the families all know each other. All tied to politicians and cops from meridian. Just look up all the last names involved in case and their ties to meridian .
I think the perpetrator knew the victims because it seems so targeted but I hope he/she didn’t because for the people staying behind (family, friends, students etc) involved it is going to be so much harder afterwards maybe knowing the perpetrator. I hope thy get Justice and the case can be closed soon🥺 🕊
Why don’t they just bring a psychic or a couple of psychics in to see what they can come up with? I have seen other crimes solved through them. It’s worth a try there’s nothing to lose
Psycics are operating under the same dark, Satanic domain as the killer. The Bible warns us to stay away ftom them! They lie and deceive naive, simple people & charge money for it. That includes fortune tellers!
Furthermore why do you want the authorities to "bring them in"? For fame & noteritity? If they know the name & location of the killer why don't they just pick up the phone & tell police? LOL
Not his first kills and may not be his last. No one who ran in there and caused that much destruction for the first time could be able to not leave behind evidence. So i think we got a serial murderer in our midst. Stay safe friends. Lock your doors and dont stay out too late.
Every time I see the clip of the Police chief I say out loud “Why is he smiling?” It’s creepy because there’s absolutely Nothing to smile about and he doesn’t have to be congenial with reporters. WTF?
I still don’t understand why they said there was an unconscious “person”(but there was 2 in each room) when they called 911. Umm, the 4 were stabbed to death. I mean it was so bloody that it actually seeped out to the exterior of the house. And didn’t they say the roommates called other people and they came over before they even called 911. Just bizarre to me that they would use the word unconscious
No I believe that’s what happened and that’s what I just read the first roommate saw Ethan which screaming out of the house dialing 911 on the way followed by the second one I don’t even think made it out of the house before she fainted and then one of the people coming up to the house completed that 911 call to see this girl was unconscious because she fainted in the yard they don’t know what’s in the house so they were just relaying what they were seeing. It disturbed me too but once I read that explanation I thought oh that makes it that was all they were seeing.
@@marthienel2190 Wonder why all the news channels are still saying that they called 911 to report an unconscious person? I hadn’t heard about anyone fainting. Now that would 100% make sense to me, because there’s no way those roommates didn’t see a bunch of blood.
Hope LE don’t bungle this like they did in Indiana with the Delphi case . This murder of these 4 young kids is so sad and hope they bring this person to justice real soon .
It seems to me that whoever did this needed the victims to be asleep. So, they either had to be watching from outside or been invited to sleep over meaning they would already be inside and aware of who went to bed when. More likely outside and see the two sets of residents enter. In this scenario, the 2 survivors may have already been inside and asleep, so the killer was not aware of them being there. But that would indicate someone who didn't previously know about the 1st floor occupants. 🤔
anything is possible - i'd be surprised if it was someone invited to come in and sleep the night. really hard to say exactly why two were left alone. the house layout is an obvious possibility - plus maybe now knowing who was down there if anyone. if the killer didn't know them well - they could've had guns for all he knew. took the risk anyway. that makes you question maybe yes he did know them - knew they didn't own or use guns.
@@moaningpheromones Ya, I keep feeling certain about certain people as suspects and that I won't be surprised if one is finally arrested. I completely respect the police but compromising the case and do believe they are gong to announce only when it's solidified. I also feel for those frustrated parents. Too bad they can't at least reassure them that they are going to catch whoever is responsible. That is all the info it would take.
I think they will solve it. Jack Showalter, (food truck/ hoodie-guy), seems very likely the one who did it. Check out TH-camr Joseph Morris's recent video on it.
I was part of the Virginia Tech shooting; while we all went home when the school shut down, classes were largely full after the shooting. It's interesting to me that folks feel so unsafe with this incident that occurred off-campus that classes are so empty.
What do you think the main difference between that situation and this one is? How might that difference have an effect on student interactions after these different tragedies?
@@michaelkirby5272I think at virginia tech they knew who the shooter was right after it happened. With this one the mystery of who it was is unnerving.
The Chief has his hands full, the chief in a big city would have his hands full with a case like this. I hope he turns to the FBI and ISP for help when needed. This case has got to be solved ASAP!
What do you think about JAMES CuRTIS LEONARD ?? Arrested 1a.m. Dec 7, 2022 only short distance from the 1122 house for peeping tom activity. aND HE HAS HUGE BANDAGE ON HIS FOREARM.
Lord, that's NOT why he was arrested. 39-year-old James Leonard is being held on $100,000 bond in the Latah County Sheriff’s Office Jail in Moscow. Leonard is charged with felony domestic battery with traumatic injury, felony assault with a deadly weapon, felony attempted strangulation and felony injury to a child.
everyday there's murder cases....for this one i hope it get solved..... young souls deserve justice. T_T sigh.... so sad still.....stay strong dear victim family and friends.
Both survivors were each in their rooms, on the 1st floor. X & E were in X's room on the 2nd floor, M&K were in M's room-3rd. And 2 vacant rooms: one previously K's (on 3rd floor she had most of her things moved) and another (2nd) that was on lease for a sixth unidentified person. K's dog apparently was locked in a room (LE didn't said which one) during the attacks
Is too soon. The families needs the belongings? i think the most important thing is to get justice. Families are grieving so i don't expect that they understand. LE don't have someone yet in custody and they will clean the scene? Like JSM say, the samples are very fragile, what if they need something more at any moment? The house will be cleaned and the evidence is gone.
I think moving stuff out of the house was a mistake. There may be a time when the court wants to bring the jury to the scene for a walk through. I’m sorry for the families who want their loved ones belongings, but convicting this demon is the sole goal here.
I don't blame the father, the police clearly aren't maintaining effective, sensitive communication with the victims' families. But there is a danger a private outside detective could confuse the investigation and any subsequent murder trial, by repeating investigations/interviews already conducted by police.
The killer is a skilled fighter and the assault was well planned. He left so little evidence that the FBI is stumped a month later. Killing with a knife is both intimate and dangerous. He went into a building alone with a minimum 6 people inside. The killer is physically strong and very confident with his athleticism. I would profile a fit male in his 20’s or mid thirties, athlete or former athlete, imposing but also intelligent and meticulous. Some martial arts or wrestling/boxing. Military or perhaps police experience. If he is a cop we have a real problem on our hands…
I felt the clearing of kaylees bf so quickly was bizarre, but EVEN MORESO was seeing her sister EMPHATICALLY back her sisters ex bf up "1000%" and also state in other interviews-allthewhule being the only immediate family member of kaylees to seemingly be VOID of any real emotions or sorrow
It was WAY too quick & I read that he has lots of family in police & politics over there. Very shocked he got cleared SO fast after dna was found & 2 of the victims called him.
I feel for everyone. It’s my understanding that Xana had a difficult childhood due to her mom’s bad decisions in life. Of course I’m not judging her mom. I think her father did speak on Xana’s behalf. But her mom was arrested shortly later. Her mom probably feels so guilty. I just can’t imagine all the pain these murders have caused. I think it’s amazing that Xana was a hard worker and very focused on her classes, so she could have an amazing and successful life. I think her grandparents raised her. I really don’t know if I could do these interviews either. 💔💔💔💔 All of them were amazing. 😢😢
@@bbe3034 who hasn't made 'bad decisions 'in life??? Her poor mother, I could hear in her voice the same sound I myself have sounded like. Irregardless of Xanas mom had a past, I believe the father likely embellished the fact and kept distan e between her and xana not to protect t them but as retaliation for not being with him
Sierra Gilespie, the news anchor here - it’s pronounced Mos-co, not Mos-cow, even though it’s spelled MOSCOW. Surprised she isn’t better versed on such a enormous killing, world wide. She’s too green to be reporting this. Know the facts about this tragic environment, otherwise you sound ignorant, like you’re just reporting a non-event case…..this is NOT. Joseph Scott is so intelligent and knowledgeable, he knows of what he speaks. Prayers for the families and the souls of those precious people.
I pray for the families but this drives me nuts. Everyone is assuming or speculating what happened. This doesn’t help the families at all. Let the police do their job . Do you really think that every murder with no suspects is solved in a week? I know we all want answers but this isn’t the way. How horrible it is cases like this take time. We don’t know what they found at the house . But do you want to accuse someone to wrap up a case ? Watch what happened to Ramsey’s? Destroying lives ? Please be patience And have faith. You don’t want them to rush because “ we “ the people want resold that later can be used against the case. Probably going to get a lot of negative comments but this is my opinion and the way I think about it. 😢😢🙏🙏🙏🕯🕯🕯
It’s too soon to release items from the house. This is not a smart idea. I’m sure the families would rather the killer be caught then get items from the house.
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I can’t wait until this documentary comes out with full details of what happened
For real! It's hard to keep up especially when an update isn't a true update. Eventually, I do hope that we all get one, clear, complete story. This is so sad.
Truly a very sad crime, nothing more to be said.
I'm sure they have swallowed many potential lives as well. It's very sad on both ends.
Life is precious.
Real scary that the person who did this is still out there smh
The killer is still at large...taking all this in.. can you imagine. This is so infuriating
The killer is more than likely watching all of this unravel too.
@@LarBearNNY Yes, and that's the scary part...more lives could be lost.
I have a sister that live in a town quiet pretty much no crime, I check on her every night. These little towns always have the most shocking crimes
My guess is done by a crazy homeless guy because i got kick by homeless people at that area once for ordering and eating delicious food.
@@maemilev that sucks.
I agree. I’d hate to move to a place that’s a small town. People always say cities are unsafe but small towns are sinister
Put security cameras
@@maemilev a speculation that doesn’t stand any grounds.
It's so heartbreaking, I can't imagine the pain the families are going through. My condolences to all 4 families, friends, and the community. I truly hope this case is solved soon.
Once the killer is caught everyone will understand the wait & not comprise the case.
@@BTJ10 I bet you said the same about the bungled Delphi murder investigation, which - it now transpires - could and should have been solved within weeks, not almost 6 years later!
My thoughts exactly. I can't even fathom the pain the families feel. I am so profoundly sorry to you and their friends.
Please have faith, justice will be served.
Physically I'll for sure!
wow the uncanny ressemblance maddie had with her mom is incredible!
I was thinking the same thing her twin so sad
it's almost as if they're related - that's insane.
There was no report of a blood trail leaving the home. Which is crazy. That’s insane to me that the killer didn’t cut themselves
Rambo himself never got cut from his own knife, so...... it's possible haha
@@ronaldreaganrimjobs9327 They were stabbed 🙄
The killer used a military style knife that has a pronounced 'hilt' on it, which prevents the user's hand sliding up the blade, and getting cut during use.
On a recent interview with an ex FBI guy, he said in a frenzied attack like this, that hilt could cause significant bruising to the killer's hand. But now we are a month on from the murders, any such tell-tale bruising will likely have faded!
@@glamdolly30 murderer could've used an anti-slip glove
@@MsAldil True - might still have got bruising though in a frenzied mass murder like this.
I’m beginning to wonder if there was more than 1 killer
Possible someone was waiting outside. Doubt they’d be more than one present in the house. However, “loose lips, sinks ships”. The possibility of another person knowing about this increases the chances someone will snitch on the other.
I bet the killer knew the girls were very drunk
As a long long time watcher & researcher of true crime I’ve not had any issues with how police have done anything. Their level of secrecy & lack of info are protecting the investigation, even at the cost of angering the families which is so tough. Families & the general populace almost never understand it. I’ve not had an issue with anything. LE has done so far, even their initial thoughts vs changing their mind on a few things, that’s all par for course. People expect everything now within hours to days, we live in a profoundly ‘immediate’ society. Even Amazon brings our orders now same or next day. But this release *does* feel too soon. Once they release they will never ever have a pristine scene - ever again. It doesn’t hurt anything to wait a bit longer. This is very soon. I hope the state + FBI have tremendously helped them. I do feel regardless of how long it takes, this particular killer will be caught. I send law enforcement a ton of support. They need it, and deserve it.
Families are receiving love & support, be sure to support the morale of police who feel the great pressure of doing stuff ‘on time’
👏👏 Well said, and not said enough in posts!
so you don't have any problem with the police saying there is no imminent threat when there was and still is? the murderer(s) is/are at large, and the community deserves more answers. i hope at least the families have been allowed to speak to the surviving room mates.
Yes, I couldn't agree more!
Absolutely! Sadly, a case like this gives the foreign trolls, and those who’ve learned what they know, from these trolls, the opportunity to bash our free press, law enforcement and our justice system.
@@cherylj7460 well said!
The poor families and friends - such as shocking case, no words except wishing peace & strength.
I support that 100%❤
In a house lived by a group of college kids, no doubt DNA collection will be a lot more complicated for the forensic lab, it will need longer time to gather, process and analyze as the investigation move ahead. 🧐
It's in.
Wow Maddie looked so much like her mother😢
well... they're related, so ofc they'll look just like each other. lmao
@@minnah.k my mother and I look alike but not like twins like these two. I said that because I’m sure it makes things even harder for her mother to look in the mirror and literally see her daughter.
@@channelmanager3996 some people just have to be a smartass lmao
@@channelmanager3996 especially because Maddie was their only child. 💔
I was just thinking that
Stay warm over there in ID💗 sending love n prayers to families an friends of the victims
Stay warm? Stay alive would be better advice - there's a vicious knife killer on the loose!
Maybe it's time to add some more people who have some experience
on scenes like this!
the FBI is already helping but they do not have the jurisdiction to take over because it's not a federal crime or an act of terrorism (national threat) They can only assist.
They always did…
@@kayp.3832 lol yes the corrupt and the corrupt helping each other
Investigations take time. People are expecting a TV show-timeline conclusion. That's not reality.
@@farmcat3198
People always expect that with everything.
"Release the body cams!!"
Absolutely devastating for all the families God bless you all
Hi friends! Idaho native here, just wanted to let you know it’s pronounced “Moss-co” not Moscow like the city in Russia. Great work.
They should do a gofund to raise a reward for anyone who could bring the culprit to justice.
Great idea!
Maddie’s dad was complaining in an interview that law enforcement will not let him post a reward. I find that very odd.
@@bbe3034 maybe they dont want to sound the alarm bell and spook the killer and make him skip town or leave the country. who knows!
A go fund me?? Lol. Governor Brad little authorized 1 million dollars to be spent on ALL NECESSARY RESOURCES ,and still no reward offered! Wake up people!!
Prayers to the families as well as the Law Enforcement community, which encompasses the local police, state police and the FBI.
prayers FOR the families not to them. you pray TO GOD.
@@marilynwillett804 Can you be anymore of a petty B*tch Karen...🤣🤣🤣
@@marilynwillett804 Girl hush, those families deserve prayers to/from/for/by etc and any other thing that we people & God can do for them. God don't need you speaking for him anyway.
The landlord must be shell shocked too , he probably might never be able to rent this place out again.might have to demolish it
The landlord should be sued for not having security lights outside also where is the son? supposedly he still has his mailing address at that house
@@June-tb4vi This definently is Not something landlords can be sued over. Im a landlord . 😐 My name is on my properties because I own them. I don't live in any of them.
Pretty hard to fight off/hear the killer when you’re drunk…
Sometimes the LACK of forensic,or trace, evidence is evidence in itself!..Godspeed to the investigators working on this case,...and may all of their young souls Rest In Peace!
Heartbreaking💔
What is the rush?!? I don’t see the family wanting the things as a detriment to the case..
It's still an active crime scene and evidence is being removed in personal items? And those removing the items are the State Police? Does anyone else think this is a little strange?
How could you think someone was unconscious when they supposedly said there’s blood everywhere doesn’t make sense
One of the survivors fainted after seeing Ethan
@@Calypso231 no throats were cut.
Really thoughtful of chief,hope they actually digitally 2pics!Strangely enough other cases,they would hav kept the active crime scene intact???
This is a crime scene, I know the parents want to belongings. But they don't need people in and out of that house. Too many people in and out. I think unfortunately they should wait for a while to get any personal belongings out of there. You do not want to disrupt this investigation. My thoughts prayers love go out to the family members in this tragic time.
Definitely ; you better believe that whenever they do find someone to charge that during their trial - defense will bring up the fact that SOO MANY people have come an gone since it happened (which obviously isnt good for the prosecution)
Exactly 💯. Way too many feet in and out...they even had an HVAC company there 2 days ago...I mean at this point they should just let the families come on in and get their kid's belongings. 😬
They have already processed the crime scene, they don't keep them secured for months.
Clearly police have processed the crime scene, documented everything, and done every last procedure that needs to be done. No crime scene is preserved indefinitely!
My hope is that if the personal items being given to victims' loved ones are blood spattered, police clean them up before returning them. Here in the UK my friend's sister and niece (mother and daughter),were brutally murdered in her home, by her boyfriend. He stabbed and strangled both women.
When police forensic officers finished their work and told family members they could go into the house to retrieve any personal items, they found a very distressing scene. There was blood everywhere, and no clean up had been organised by police to spare them that trauma.
I found this shocking - my friend together with other relatives, ended up having to buy cleaning supplies and clean up their loved ones' blood themselves. This included a heavy trail of blood up the stairs, where the killer had chased one victim, stabbing the back of her legs as she tried in vain to flee to the bathroom. Heartbreaking.
Why aren't they offering rewards for information, mabe someone is waiting for that
The father said the school is not wanting that nor any posters put up anywhere... they're worried they cannot get more people to come to this college... this is absolutely despicable of them
Ethan was so cute but he was looking kinda shaggy lately. Rest in peace baby boy. I hear he was a very kind young man.
How did the room mate report an unconscious person and not notice any blood or stab wounds? Anyone else think that’s weird?
Really, the whole thing is a little weird. What you mentioned as well as the State Police removing the deceased students belongings so soon, and that could possibly contaminate the crime scene. Something's just not right here. 🤔
@@thisisme3238 such a complex case with the amount of things that went on that night. I think at the end we will see it was all right in front of us the whole time
@@dutchsydney22 There's just so many questions with no real answers.
It almost makes me think that if they’re releasing physical belongings to the family that they already know who it is, they’re just building the case now and they just can’t tell the public. I could totally be wrong. I have no idea, but this is just my opinion could be maybe but my heart goes out to families I cannot even imagine or put into words how my heart breaks for them. I have been obsessed with this case because it’s just so unfair. 😢❤
Strikes a nerve. I really like the amount of outrage I’ve noticed over this though. I occasionally read comments from people with problems making fun of the victims. Wish something could be done about people like that.
This is because people blame the victims for their fate! They think they did something to really tick these people off!
You should see what they say about Gabby Petito… some people are just ugly inside, and only the internet will listen to them
@@innocentnemesis3519 reality is, people die every day. Many young people have been killed since this incident happened. Why are these four special?
All those windows and no curtains you could watch everything
Agreed. What were those girls thinking?
John (Jack) Showalter =money talks, and he walks.
Aside from this horrible tragedy happening, the owner of this condo will need to demolish it and build something else or somewhere else.
No they won't. They'll hire one of those disaster recovery companies to clean the place. They'll rent it as soon as they are able.
This house will once again become the 'party house'. More Greek Life people will seek to rent the place, and every year on the anniversary the new residents will hold a "Murder Madness Mayhem Bash". They'll charge a cover and sell t-shirts. It will become a popular, annual event. Just watch.
This is a ridiculous expectation. For a property owner to eat that cost. I understand how gruesome, heinous and brutal this crime is but, many homes have had devastating deaths occur inside if them, and that doesn't mean they should automatically be required to be demolished. Foolish, naive expectation. You're thinking emotionally, and again, I understand, but people can't live based on emotion. This is the property owners call and they shouldn't be pushed into doing what others think is morally right.
I guess it would be okay as long as it's not you eating easily over a million in cost. These homes are extremely expensive I believe, especially in the college area. It's unrealistic to expect them to lose what they have already invested, as well as cost to demolish then rebuild again. I can speak on this because I own properties I rent out.
Great sentiment in theory, but unrealistic. If it happened at one of my properties, I'd be transparent on what happened for potential renters but never demolish and rebuild. That would financial ruin me. If that makes me an A-hole, I'll take that.
@@brandishoogy very well put. Agreed.
This tells me that they've documented everything and either have a sealed case or they have no case at all. You're basically removing the real crime scene from evidence pool by removing items. It obviously doesn't matter anymore.
Obviously police forensics teams have documented everything!
Good conclusion.
@Glamdolly30 Obviously.
However destroying the crime scene by not preserving it is sending a completely different message, Karen..
Not to mention THEYVE ALL BEEN "CREMATED " ALREADY.
You're telling me they didn't find ANY trace of the murderer whatsoever? No indentations in the carpet, on the floor, no hairs, no fibres of clothes, no disturbed pieces of furniture, no hampering with front doors, back doors, side doors and/or windows? Absolutely nothing that could indicate another person entered and left the house?
@Barri Smith I'm British. O.O
They’re looking for a car now!! The “occupants likely have information”
What kind
J Showalter vehicle?
@@arielsea9087 No idk who’s car it is. All I know is they are looking for a car 😳 It was just on TV they released a statement
@@Noticerofthings I forgot but I think they said no license plates
@@Elliebear218 Well that helps a ton
TO THE FAMILYS IM SO SORRY.
They know who did this I can tell by his face 😮
Then they need to get people in there and have them give them their DNA... I don't know what they're waiting for
@Judi Who's face?
The cops
All the families all know each other. All tied to politicians and cops from meridian. Just look up all the last names involved in case and their ties to meridian .
How many people even in the week prior were in and out of that house, touching everything, even using bathrooms, sinks, maybe even the showers.
Do you copy and paste this comment on all of these videos?
Interested if they asked Jack for the clothes he wore to the foodtruck that night ?
Sorry for families
I think the perpetrator knew the victims because it seems so targeted but I hope he/she didn’t because for the people staying behind (family, friends, students etc) involved it is going to be so much harder afterwards maybe knowing the perpetrator. I hope thy get Justice and the case can be closed soon🥺 🕊
Really cranking out the vids on this today lol
Why don’t they just bring a psychic or a couple of psychics in to see what they can come up with? I have seen other crimes solved through them.
It’s worth a try there’s nothing to lose
Psycics are operating under the same dark, Satanic domain as the killer. The Bible warns us to stay away ftom them! They lie and deceive naive, simple people & charge money for it. That includes fortune tellers!
Furthermore why do you want the authorities to "bring them in"? For fame & noteritity? If they know the name & location of the killer why don't they just pick up the phone & tell police? LOL
PS... You said "what have they got to lose?" Time... They are a waste of time because they lie & mislead all the time.
Not his first kills and may not be his last.
No one who ran in there and caused that much destruction for the first time could be able to not leave behind evidence. So i think we got a serial murderer in our midst. Stay safe friends. Lock your doors and dont stay out too late.
My thoughts too.
Prayers ❤️
Such a weird ugly house. Should be torn down in the future.
That will end the Crime Scene… WTH???
Every time I see the clip of the Police chief I say out loud “Why is he smiling?” It’s creepy because there’s absolutely Nothing to smile about and he doesn’t have to be congenial with reporters. WTF?
Get this just now. Thanks, I have family who lives up there.
Why aren't they talking about the fight over the upper decker at the frat party?
I still don’t understand why they said there was an unconscious “person”(but there was 2 in each room) when they called 911. Umm, the 4 were stabbed to death. I mean it was so bloody that it actually seeped out to the exterior of the house.
And didn’t they say the roommates called other people and they came over before they even called 911. Just bizarre to me that they would use the word unconscious
No I believe that’s what happened and that’s what I just read the first roommate saw Ethan which screaming out of the house dialing 911 on the way followed by the second one I don’t even think made it out of the house before she fainted and then one of the people coming up to the house completed that 911 call to see this girl was unconscious because she fainted in the yard they don’t know what’s in the house so they were just relaying what they were seeing. It disturbed me too but once I read that explanation I thought oh that makes it that was all they were seeing.
It's been widely reported: one of the two surviving roommates fainted while trying to communicate about what she had found.
@@marthienel2190 Wonder why all the news channels are still saying that they called 911 to report an unconscious person? I hadn’t heard about anyone fainting. Now that would 100% make sense to me, because there’s no way those roommates didn’t see a bunch of blood.
@@True_Crime_Junkie16 I heard on several channels hat one of the two survivors fainted while trying to communicate what she had witnessed.
@@True_Crime_Junkie16 So, you know what the visibility was through every window?
Hope LE don’t bungle this like they did in Indiana with the Delphi case . This murder of these 4 young kids is so sad and hope they bring this person to justice real soon .
I actually thought about that same thing!
If this was on the first 48 we would have a lead, the department seems to not know what they are doing by the way they keep clearing possible suspects
It seems to me that whoever did this needed the victims to be asleep. So, they either had to be watching from outside or been invited to sleep over meaning they would already be inside and aware of who went to bed when. More likely outside and see the two sets of residents enter. In this scenario, the 2 survivors may have already been inside and asleep, so the killer was not aware of them being there. But that would indicate someone who didn't previously know about the 1st floor occupants. 🤔
anything is possible - i'd be surprised if it was someone invited to come in and sleep the night. really hard to say exactly why two were left alone. the house layout is an obvious possibility - plus maybe now knowing who was down there if anyone. if the killer didn't know them well - they could've had guns for all he knew. took the risk anyway. that makes you question maybe yes he did know them - knew they didn't own or use guns.
@@moaningpheromones Ya, I keep feeling certain about certain people as suspects and that I won't be surprised if one is finally arrested. I completely respect the police but compromising the case and do believe they are gong to announce only when it's solidified. I also feel for those frustrated parents. Too bad they can't at least reassure them that they are going to catch whoever is responsible. That is all the info it would take.
It looks like this crime will never be solved! So sad!!
I think they will solve it.
Jack Showalter, (food truck/ hoodie-guy), seems very likely the one who did it.
Check out TH-camr Joseph Morris's recent video on it.
It's going cold.
just waking up poses a challenge for law enforcement.
Girl was fallowed home from the bar. She probably upset a guy that can’t get action.
I was part of the Virginia Tech shooting; while we all went home when the school shut down, classes were largely full after the shooting. It's interesting to me that folks feel so unsafe with this incident that occurred off-campus that classes are so empty.
What do you think the main difference between that situation and this one is? How might that difference have an effect on student interactions after these different tragedies?
@@michaelkirby5272I think at virginia tech they knew who the shooter was right after it happened. With this one the mystery of who it was is unnerving.
They are probably scared because thr murder(s) have still not been found
That was a long time before the pandemic, though. People weren’t as likely to do call in from zoom then.
sorry do u wanna be walking around a campus while a murderer is most likely from the community even if they aren’t there still thats scary asf
The Chief has his hands full, the chief in a big city would have his hands full with a case like this. I hope he turns to the FBI and ISP for help when needed. This case has got to be solved ASAP!
Still condolences 2families involved*
What do you think about JAMES CuRTIS LEONARD ?? Arrested 1a.m. Dec 7, 2022 only short distance from the 1122 house for peeping tom activity. aND HE HAS HUGE BANDAGE ON HIS FOREARM.
That bandage is very suspicious 👀 😳 and how did he murder someone 15 years ago and get out of jail?
Lord, that's NOT why he was arrested.
39-year-old James Leonard is being held on $100,000 bond in the Latah County Sheriff’s Office Jail in Moscow. Leonard is charged with felony domestic battery with traumatic injury, felony assault with a deadly weapon, felony attempted strangulation and felony injury to a child.
everyday there's murder cases....for this one i hope it get solved..... young souls deserve justice. T_T sigh.... so sad still.....stay strong dear victim family and friends.
Prayers 🙏🙏🙏🙏
At least something good came out of it,more security on campus n hopefully residents consider:CCTV*!!
Wait, now a surviving victim called? I thought at the beginning LE said it was NOT one of them. What the heck?
How else would the perp get the door lock key?
I heard earlier that the back sliding door was unlocked...but how would the killer know that?
that much knifing and blood there will be DNA from the butcher. And then..he is a goner
Maddy looked just like her mom.
Have they check the air events from the house for the kinft
QUESTION, IS IT KNOWN IF THE 2 SURVIVING ROOM MATES WERE IN THE SAME OR DIFFERENT ROOMS?
I think different rooms on the 1st floor which the killer never went on. Also I heard their doors were locked
Both survivors were each in their rooms, on the 1st floor. X & E were in X's room on the 2nd floor, M&K were in M's room-3rd. And 2 vacant rooms: one previously K's (on 3rd floor she had most of her things moved) and another (2nd) that was on lease for a sixth unidentified person. K's dog apparently was locked in a room (LE didn't said which one) during the attacks
Is too soon. The families needs the belongings? i think the most important thing is to get justice. Families are grieving so i don't expect that they understand. LE don't have someone yet in custody and they will clean the scene? Like JSM say, the samples are very fragile, what if they need something more at any moment? The house will be cleaned and the evidence is gone.
Who are we to say ?
They should at least know if it was more than 1 person
Wonder what FBI is up to in this case.
following this case from india
I believe the Police should be looking for the guy that killed a dog a month before the killings.
We would assume they've already collected:DNA samples(although it's abit of a rush)2retrieve the belonging
The killer is watching 😢
I think moving stuff out of the house was a mistake. There may be a time when the court wants to bring the jury to the scene for a walk through.
I’m sorry for the families who want their loved ones belongings, but convicting this demon is the sole goal here.
Almost one month?! Thank goodness the father is getting a private investigator.
I don't blame the father, the police clearly aren't maintaining effective, sensitive communication with the victims' families. But there is a danger a private outside detective could confuse the investigation and any subsequent murder trial, by repeating investigations/interviews already conducted by police.
I know the police have a good idea who did this but are reluctant to arrest him. Why is that?
Why did the roommate call 911 saying was unconscious when they were all brutally stabbed
I'm wondering if it was Only the alive housemates stuff taken today
The killer is a skilled fighter and the assault was well planned. He left so little evidence that the FBI is stumped a month later. Killing with a knife is both intimate and dangerous. He went into a building alone with a minimum 6 people inside. The killer is physically strong and very confident with his athleticism. I would profile a fit male in his 20’s or mid thirties, athlete or former athlete, imposing but also intelligent and meticulous. Some martial arts or wrestling/boxing. Military or perhaps police experience. If he is a cop we have a real problem on our hands…
Or hunting big game exoerience! Showalter has videos of hi g game hunting with tge type of knife they are looking for
girl at food truck pointed to someone off camera snd said something about a fight and pointed
The call was report one of the survivors had passed out and called paramedics and then the police
John Showalter
Yassss!!!
And this is why you shouldn’t live in places like Idaho. Sure it’s quiet then it’s not and nobody can solve your murder.
I felt the clearing of kaylees bf so quickly was bizarre, but EVEN MORESO was seeing her sister EMPHATICALLY back her sisters ex bf up "1000%" and also state in other interviews-allthewhule being the only immediate family member of kaylees to seemingly be VOID of any real emotions or sorrow
It was WAY too quick & I read that he has lots of family in police & politics over there. Very shocked he got cleared SO fast after dna was found & 2 of the victims called him.
Something's "just not right" about this whole case. Now removing items from the crime scene by the State Police? Hmmmm 🤔
I find it weird too. I yet to see the sister cry.
I feel for everyone. It’s my understanding that Xana had a difficult childhood due to her mom’s bad decisions in life. Of course I’m not judging her mom. I think her father did speak on Xana’s behalf. But her mom was arrested shortly later. Her mom probably feels so guilty. I just can’t imagine all the pain these murders have caused. I think it’s amazing that Xana was a hard worker and very focused on her classes, so she could have an amazing and successful life. I think her grandparents raised her. I really don’t know if I could do these interviews either. 💔💔💔💔 All of them were amazing. 😢😢
@@bbe3034 who hasn't made 'bad decisions 'in life??? Her poor mother, I could hear in her voice the same sound I myself have sounded like.
Irregardless of Xanas mom had a past, I believe the father likely embellished the fact and kept distan e between her and xana not to protect t them but as retaliation for not being with him
I find Sierra to be too green and annoying this is unwatchable
Who Made the 911 Call? and from who's phone??
What's with the thumbnails. It looks like the start to a 90's sitcom.
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😂😂😂
Sierra Gilespie, the news anchor here - it’s pronounced Mos-co, not Mos-cow, even though it’s spelled MOSCOW. Surprised she isn’t better versed on such a enormous killing, world wide. She’s too green to be reporting this. Know the facts about this tragic environment, otherwise you sound ignorant, like you’re just reporting a non-event case…..this is NOT. Joseph Scott is so intelligent and knowledgeable, he knows of what he speaks. Prayers for the families and the souls of those precious people.
Jesus christ, there's many people reporting on this who have ACCIDENTALLY mispronounced Moscow-get a grip.
Worldwide?! Really?🤣🤣
It’s not uncommon that DNA will be of no help. As he says.
The ex-boyfriend "Jack DuCouer" did it, the case will be solved once he is arrested.☝
Bingo!
I pray for the families but this drives me nuts. Everyone is assuming or speculating what happened. This doesn’t help the families at all. Let the police do their job . Do you really think that every murder with no suspects is solved in a week? I know we all want answers but this isn’t the way. How horrible it is cases like this take time. We don’t know what they found at the house . But do you want to accuse someone to wrap up a case ? Watch what happened to Ramsey’s? Destroying lives ? Please be patience And have faith. You don’t want them to rush because “ we “ the people want resold that later can be used against the case. Probably going to get a lot of negative comments but this is my opinion and the way I think about it. 😢😢🙏🙏🙏🕯🕯🕯
It’s too soon to release items from the house. This is not a smart idea. I’m sure the families would rather the killer be caught then get items from the house.
Have a feeling that someone from the that college house ...........
It still makes no sense why soemone called for a unconscious person? I’m confused about that part still