@@markshirley01 I am a Sony user and Lumix m43 user. I mean that Lumix lens he used for the test was a new 35mmf1.8 lens, but the Sony lens was a 7 years old lens which is not made for Sony full size cameras especially for newer cameras. S5II's AF is impressive, but a7IV's AF is not worse than S5II's AF.
Very impressive work by Panasonic. Initial reviews suggest it still lags behind modern cameras for AF on fast moving subjects (birds) - but looks like the best FF vlogging camera you can get for under 2K
Wow! I figured the stabilization, but didn't know the video autofocus on the s5ii is this strong! From all these awesome tests and reviews I've seen, i think it's pretty safe to say S5ii for stronger video, and A7iv for stronger photo
@@fredriksvard2603 higher resolution, higher burst rate, and better continuous autofocus (for Photo only). Haven’t tested myself but this is what most reviews are saying my friend!
This will be my 6th wedding with the S5, I can say is the perfect camera, the image quality and interface it's outstanding but I had to pull manual focus lot of times specially when using it with a gimbal. This tests got me really excited, now I can say I can use absolute THE perfect camera for my job in next season!!
@@zolen3046 For using a gimbal in a wedding is actually key, it's kind of hard to do focus pulling and operating the gimbal at the same time, for the rest you could use manual, thats why I use a hybrid mode in the S5. Also in some situations autofocus helps specially at the wedding party.
@@kruhenstand Ronin sc3 I think has a follow focus built in. What's hybrid mode? I need to research a bit more. I'm convincing myself not to spend extra 500€ on the S5ii and get the S5 😅
@@zolen3046 Oh I get it, if the follow focus works realtime and has no latency with the s5 then you should be fine without 100% accurate autofocus. It is more confortable for me not have to be worried about the focus when using the gimbal specially in what I do, that I have to be running all the time side to side, I want to be able to hold the gimbal with both hands all the time. At the end of the day is a matter of taste or ways of using the equipment. I called hybrid mode the one that let you use the autofocus but you can also pull the manual focus anytime, that way I can correct focus when S5 auto focus completely loose it which happens kind of often, is pretty usable thoughm waay better than the one from the GH5.
I loved the video btw, your methods of testing was the most unbiased by using a duel rig system. One of the biggest complaints I heard of in regards to this test is that you used an older Sony lens. If that’s true is it possible to use a newer lens and retest?
I’ll tell you my opinion, I had a choice to buy a7iv or s5iix, I shot videos on the a7iii for a long time, and I watched a lot of videos, including this author, I bought the s5iix, Yes, of course the camera is good, but even in comparison with the a7iii, autofocus is worse, I mostly create video in the studio with constant light and the skintone not so great, I’ll say it again, the camera is excellent and in daylight when shooting vlog it is superior to the a7iii, but still I sold it and bought the a7iv
This was a simple but effective test video! Don't know much about Sony cams, but is there any better model that could complete with S5II on AF speed? Thanks 👍
A7 IV has superior autofocus. This TH-camr is Lumix brand ambassador and used 11year old cheap Sony E 35mm lens designed for APS-C cameras, not full-frame lens that is competitor to Lumix 35mm f1.8. O ld lens = old autofocus motors. Interesting if he decides to remove this reply when he failed to make fair comparison and didn't stated conflict of interests (which is breakin law, but youtubers nowadays don't care about it).
@@AXYZE If you don't have used both cameras, you can't say the A7 IV is superior, I have the A7IV and I preordered the S5 II so I will see myself which one is better.
@@AXYZE I kind of agree, I have an A7IV and the AF is pretty much perfect all the time, can’t say I’ve ever had it dicking about like that. Having said that the S5 ii looks a great bit of kit and very impressive all round. Unfortunately lumix has been slated for years for having bad AF so it is pretty exciting that they have sorted it, competition is just a win win for us consumers, they’re both great cameras just enjoy what you have!
Sony is good in colour science, Panasonic has somekind of pinkish tone.
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The problem is that I most of the time use FHD 50FPS and in this mode the S5II use the old CDAF. 50Fps is the only crop free 50FPS mode, so it's very important, for me. I use it 90%, and I have only the old CDAF, tell the truth it work's well.
Venant d'Olympus et actuellement sur Sony A7 IV, je confirme que la stabilisation de Sony est une farce tant elle est inefficace, tant en video qu'en photo !
Please tell me this is true, Panasonic s5 mark2 -1080p 4.2.2 10 bit 24/25/30fps FF (Full-Frame) use PDAF. 1080p 4.2.2. 10 bit 50/60fps FF use DFD (old contrast method). 1080p 50/60fps APS-C mode use PDAF.
the main thing stopping people from buying s5ii might be actually s5iix. some might wait till the may launch, but what if by then maybe sony will release something better and stop people buying s5iix?
is it just me or does the skin tone on the lumix cam bug me out, she appears red/warm tone versus a full single tone on Sony, Lumix AF responsive and impressive. what a hard choice
S1 is huge, s5 is small. It's just that sony made their cameras super small with a small mount that makes it difficult to improve stabilization (as seen in this video).
panasonic made the whole 1.8 prime line same build, and almost same weight. it comes in very handy when mounted on gimball or anything else. so you dont need to recalibrate
Great Test! ..but from a Fuji Perspective, both cameras have horrible Colors and Skintones. It's hard to buy a 2000€ Camera and a worse picture than before. but i love the efforts of Panasonic, they doing huge steps forward
@@SD_Alias ahm.. No. It is THE absolute Masterclass Priority in the End. Yes, it's very cool to be able to record with a baked in Lut now directly to the S5II. The high end Color Science is the pinacle in Image quality, to be more precise, the basic Color Science from Camera (Arri Alexa, RED Camera, Blackmagic or Fuji GFX and X Series Cameras - to name them all). Nobody is talking with something thrown a Lut above.., that s not the same. Again, the S5II is for me the best Fullframe now to buy, and i maybe get one in the Future with 4K60p no crop. But trust me, if you dive deep in historical Fuji Color Science and their Filmsimulations for a longer time, the rest looks cheap and unfinished. Don't underestimate, that every look we find pleasing in our Memory today, basically comes from Fuji and Kodak. and only with Fuji you can have that today as a original. i'm not takling about a lut or look (like LR or in Cap.One), i m talking only of the camera internal Manufakturer secret kept creation. I terms of AF, Fuji is now the absolut worse of all in Market :D
@@SD_Alias thats totally free color creativity for everybody. I can tell you i love to orientate on the original Colorlook so much. in the end, particular at skin tones every correction feels wrong when you start changing manually. Of course there are so many other scenarios. For me it was worth it, going through the whole Fuji raw x studio and camera color science. there are so many combinations.. if you are in control of that (takes months) you can build that into videos as well, thats cool skill to have. Throwing luts on it is of course good working method too. Over all, Pana. und Fuji are my absolut favorites now
Some youtubers show better AF with the Sony, maybe because they used the old firwmare for the S5 II ... I suppose you used the last one (1.0) for this video ?
Some youtubers (like this one) are Lumix brand ambassadors, maybe because of that Lumix is winning? Maybe because he installed 11 year old Sony E crop lens and compared that to fresh full frame lens from Lumix? Dunno. :) :) :)
stop compaining about that ! is there any other Sony 50mm f 1.8 ?? I had to compare apple to apple, and what about that ? th-cam.com/video/dBgtaknzEnM/w-d-xo.html
@@BernardBertrand I haven't had overheating issues with my A7IV. i really like the panasonic but its not a fair test there are many 50mm lenses available. i used the Zeiss 55mm 1.8
I bet lumix has advantage on overheating durability, and stabilization with opengate aspect ratio for cheaper price..althought AF and Lens option will be SONY crown forever.
Réellement déçu qu’avec la mise à jour pour enregistrer en Raw on ne puisse avoir que le proressRAW et en plus avec l’Atomos V+ (donc si on possède l’Atomos V on ne pourras pas le faire). Ce serais tout de même était bien qu’on puisse enregistrer en externe du blackmagic Raw sur un enregistreur externe blackmagic assit 12g comme c’est déjà le cas S5 I
Yes there is a huge difference between Panasonic and Sony; but just in skin tone, Sony is unwatchable! Much better Panasonic!!! This is skin tone test😃
I agree about the colors, terrible on the Sony in comparaison. regarding the AF in photo it actuallty never been an issue on the Lumix cameras in the past.
@@BernardBertrand I see a slightly lag in photo mode when looking utube videos like hybrid shooter .... review from him. but good peace of gear for shure and less expensive than fuji I think this is better
@@naimimohammed2837 Depends. Ergonomics, no overheating, stabilization, price, gimbal-friendly primes, Panasonic has a lot going for it. Sony has autofocus and lens selection.
@@youtubetech7995 Or, the A7SIII is overpriced. Panasonic is a well established manufacturer of pro video cameras and with the S5 they have a budget friendly consumer camera.
@2:22, Sony's lens is APS-C lens, E 35mmf1.8. AF is very slow and this comparison is not fair at all.
Cant agree with that and Im not a Sony user
@@markshirley01 I am a Sony user and Lumix m43 user. I mean that Lumix lens he used for the test was a new 35mmf1.8 lens, but the Sony lens was a 7 years old lens which is not made for Sony full size cameras especially for newer cameras.
S5II's AF is impressive, but a7IV's AF is not worse than S5II's AF.
@@eugenewangchuck8633 oh right - do you have a S5II
S5 looks better in every aspect, focus, stabilization, and colors.
I agree !
@@BernardBertrand incredible Bernard, Thank you for this.
@@johnnymossville You are really welcome , thank you for your message :)
Yes, the color is magenta throughout the material
Exactly the opposite
Very impressive work by Panasonic. Initial reviews suggest it still lags behind modern cameras for AF on fast moving subjects (birds) - but looks like the best FF vlogging camera you can get for under 2K
Thats because some initial reviewers don't dive in to the af modes.
No, its fine. We're splitting hairs at this point. the IBIS on the Panasonic is noticeable better than anything else out there though.
@@ZidaneSteiner Would love to see a dedicated best Panasonic with Sigma 500/5.6 birding video...
Wow! I figured the stabilization, but didn't know the video autofocus on the s5ii is this strong! From all these awesome tests and reviews I've seen, i think it's pretty safe to say S5ii for stronger video, and A7iv for stronger photo
Why would the sony be stronger for photos?
@@fredriksvard2603 higher resolution, higher burst rate, and better continuous autofocus (for Photo only). Haven’t tested myself but this is what most reviews are saying my friend!
@@mrammm377 the s5 ii has 30fps burst
@@mrammm377hat about high res and live composite mode also in camera focus stacking
I don't know about other Sony cameras but A7IV photo is very average I think A7IV is overrated
not a fair comparison: he is not using the full frame 35 mm Sony, he's using the APSC version, which is not designed for full frame cameras.
I find the stabilization of the sony so unworthy. I switched from sony to panasonic and I love it.
Well, apparently Panasonic catched up
Or can we, even surpassed
Now let's see what they bring end of this year with the S1 MK II ... 😉👌
Was the S5 II in auto white balance? Often made the subject look sunburned, wondering if it was a settings thing
yes its just a settings thing. All these cameras can be color graded to match no problem. Sony shifts towards green ooc and Panasonic towards magenta.
Thanks, Bernard!
you are welcome ! Thank you !
This will be my 6th wedding with the S5, I can say is the perfect camera, the image quality and interface it's outstanding but I had to pull manual focus lot of times specially when using it with a gimbal. This tests got me really excited, now I can say I can use absolute THE perfect camera for my job in next season!!
Hi! What's the matter with using manual focus? isn't it the way to get a pro look?
@@zolen3046 For using a gimbal in a wedding is actually key, it's kind of hard to do focus pulling and operating the gimbal at the same time, for the rest you could use manual, thats why I use a hybrid mode in the S5. Also in some situations autofocus helps specially at the wedding party.
@@kruhenstand Ronin sc3 I think has a follow focus built in. What's hybrid mode? I need to research a bit more. I'm convincing myself not to spend extra 500€ on the S5ii and get the S5 😅
@@zolen3046 Oh I get it, if the follow focus works realtime and has no latency with the s5 then you should be fine without 100% accurate autofocus.
It is more confortable for me not have to be worried about the focus when using the gimbal specially in what I do, that I have to be running all the time side to side, I want to be able to hold the gimbal with both hands all the time.
At the end of the day is a matter of taste or ways of using the equipment.
I called hybrid mode the one that let you use the autofocus but you can also pull the manual focus anytime, that way I can correct focus when S5 auto focus completely loose it which happens kind of often, is pretty usable thoughm waay better than the one from the GH5.
@@kruhenstand That hybrid mode sounds pretty nice indeed! Thanks a lot man
Those Panasonic colors man.... so much oompf!
Even without the fancy AF I love my S1 to death. Pristine image quality. Focus speed is not important to me.
I loved the video btw, your methods of testing was the most unbiased by using a duel rig system. One of the biggest complaints I heard of in regards to this test is that you used an older Sony lens. If that’s true is it possible to use a newer lens and retest?
PDAF not working in FHD 50 or 60 frame
And how does autofocus work in FullHD? They say there is only a contrast focus like in the old LUMIX?
Looks like the real deal then 🎉❤
indeed !
Pana stabilization is amazing!.
yes it really is
Great video thank you!
Thank you !
Thank you so much. For the test and great content.
Thank you ! :)
If Panasonic can fix the weird red magenta skin colors could be a near perfect camera
and the weird halo like glow around the bokeh of the models head, looks unrealistic.. Sony is on point with that one
I’ll tell you my opinion, I had a choice to buy a7iv or s5iix, I shot videos on the a7iii for a long time, and I watched a lot of videos, including this author, I bought the s5iix, Yes, of course the camera is good, but even in comparison with the a7iii, autofocus is worse, I mostly create video in the studio with constant light and the skintone not so great, I’ll say it again, the camera is excellent and in daylight when shooting vlog it is superior to the a7iii, but still I sold it and bought the a7iv
This is exactly correct. They need to improve more next try and if they can match Sony it would be amazing
thank you. very good test.
i think they are both good, the one with the 50mm looks lumix better because the sony 50mm 1.8 is bad at af. But other than that thanks for comparing!
This was a simple but effective test video! Don't know much about Sony cams, but is there any better model that could complete with S5II on AF speed?
Thanks 👍
A7 IV has superior autofocus.
This TH-camr is Lumix brand ambassador and used 11year old cheap Sony E 35mm lens designed for APS-C cameras, not full-frame lens that is competitor to Lumix 35mm f1.8. O
ld lens = old autofocus motors.
Interesting if he decides to remove this reply when he failed to make fair comparison and didn't stated conflict of interests (which is breakin law, but youtubers nowadays don't care about it).
@@AXYZE If you don't have used both cameras, you can't say the A7 IV is superior, I have the A7IV and I preordered the S5 II so I will see myself which one is better.
I don't know, but that was the one at the kind of same price range.
@@AXYZE noticed that too with the sel35f18. very confusing/misleading choice.
@@AXYZE I kind of agree, I have an A7IV and the AF is pretty much perfect all the time, can’t say I’ve ever had it dicking about like that. Having said that the S5 ii looks a great bit of kit and very impressive all round. Unfortunately lumix has been slated for years for having bad AF so it is pretty exciting that they have sorted it, competition is just a win win for us consumers, they’re both great cameras just enjoy what you have!
For wildlife, bird and macro videography, using the new Sigma 60-600mm, would you go with the Lumix S5II or Sony A7IV? Thanks!
I suggest you to watch my friend Romain Sarret clip he just bring from South Africa , it is beautiful th-cam.com/video/Qy8y52ItuFg/w-d-xo.html
@@BernardBertrand oh my goodness. That video is stunning. Wow. S5II it is! Thank you!!
@@wildlifehouse i told you ;-)
@@BernardBertrand 😀
Top Ber
thanks Rom's
La sony a74 nu era pus focus pe fata.
Sony is good in colour science, Panasonic has somekind of pinkish tone.
The problem is that I most of the time use FHD 50FPS and in this mode the S5II use the old CDAF. 50Fps is the only crop free 50FPS mode, so it's very important, for me. I use it 90%, and I have only the old CDAF, tell the truth it work's well.
This is a for sure buy. No questions asked. I love Panasonic cameras.
Yea, what lenses? Makes a huge difference.
Venant d'Olympus et actuellement sur Sony A7 IV, je confirme que la stabilisation de Sony est une farce tant elle est inefficace, tant en video qu'en photo !
hahahaah tu m'as fait éclaté de rire Vladimir, merci pour ton retour :)
What color profile did you use for each camera? Lumix is way to red for my liking and Sony as usual, zombie yellow.
Standard on both
Thanks for this great comparison video.
If you look at the price/performance ratio it is clear that the Panasonic has an advantage over the Sony.
Please tell me this is true, Panasonic s5 mark2 -1080p 4.2.2 10 bit 24/25/30fps FF (Full-Frame) use PDAF. 1080p 4.2.2. 10 bit 50/60fps FF use DFD (old contrast method). 1080p 50/60fps APS-C mode use PDAF.
true
Every single other test I see online shows the Sony is better at refocusing.
Fake
which Sony 50mm was used?
Salut Bernard et meilleurs vœux ! Je trouve le s5II au dessus du sony en couleurs et rapidité de l'autofocus .
Bonjour Jean-Pierre, meilleurs voeux également, merci ! Oui je suis assez d'accord ! J'ai vraiment été étonné lors de la réalisation de ces tests.
@Berbard Bertrand
Which camera produces more realistic skin tone?
the main thing stopping people from buying s5ii might be actually s5iix. some might wait till the may launch, but what if by then maybe sony will release something better and stop people buying s5iix?
is it just me or does the skin tone on the lumix cam bug me out, she appears red/warm tone versus a full single tone on Sony, Lumix AF responsive and impressive. what a hard choice
@8KisOK Really I am currently Still learning about different brands . My only cam is the Lumix S5 and I Want to try out Nikon for Nature Shots
is it easy to fix the magenta color on S5ii footage?
Lumix looks fantastisk but man, it's huge.
S1 is huge, s5 is small. It's just that sony made their cameras super small with a small mount that makes it difficult to improve stabilization (as seen in this video).
For a Pana fans like me t's like watching sports. Every times the pana performs better I was like. yeah 1 points for pana.
Why is the 35 1.8 lens from Panasonic so huge compared to the Sony lens?
panasonic made the whole 1.8 prime line same build, and almost same weight. it comes in very handy when mounted on gimball or anything else. so you dont need to recalibrate
@@Valerossi0 Also Panasonic S lenses have almost no focus breathing throughout the whole S Lens line-up.
La stabilisation est toujours aussi impec
Clairement oui ! :)
lens used?
Great Test! ..but from a Fuji Perspective, both cameras have horrible Colors and Skintones. It's hard to buy a 2000€ Camera and a worse picture than before. but i love the efforts of Panasonic, they doing huge steps forward
You can individually profile or Lut your camera to your taste. Color is not really the first priority today anymore to choose your camera.
@@SD_Alias ahm.. No. It is THE absolute Masterclass Priority in the End. Yes, it's very cool to be able to record with a baked in Lut now directly to the S5II. The high end Color Science is the pinacle in Image quality, to be more precise, the basic Color Science from Camera (Arri Alexa, RED Camera, Blackmagic or Fuji GFX and X Series Cameras - to name them all). Nobody is talking with something thrown a Lut above.., that s not the same. Again, the S5II is for me the best Fullframe now to buy, and i maybe get one in the Future with 4K60p no crop. But trust me, if you dive deep in historical Fuji Color Science and their Filmsimulations for a longer time, the rest looks cheap and unfinished. Don't underestimate, that every look we find pleasing in our Memory today, basically comes from Fuji and Kodak. and only with Fuji you can have that today as a original. i'm not takling about a lut or look (like LR or in Cap.One), i m talking only of the camera internal Manufakturer secret kept creation. I terms of AF, Fuji is now the absolut worse of all in Market :D
@@mixdown78 I always change the color of my photos in CaptureOne. May be for video it is another thing but for stills i always cook my own coloursoup…
@@SD_Alias thats totally free color creativity for everybody. I can tell you i love to orientate on the original Colorlook so much. in the end, particular at skin tones every correction feels wrong when you start changing manually. Of course there are so many other scenarios. For me it was worth it, going through the whole Fuji raw x studio and camera color science. there are so many combinations.. if you are in control of that (takes months) you can build that into videos as well, thats cool skill to have. Throwing luts on it is of course good working method too. Over all, Pana. und Fuji are my absolut favorites now
you say original s5 has way better colors?
how is this even debatable ? lumix won the battle !
HA VINTO
Nice tests, love the result. Panasonic is definitely beating Sony
Best camera all Model top one
Some youtubers show better AF with the Sony, maybe because they used the old firwmare for the S5 II ... I suppose you used the last one (1.0) for this video ?
Some youtubers (like this one) are Lumix brand ambassadors, maybe because of that Lumix is winning?
Maybe because he installed 11 year old Sony E crop lens and compared that to fresh full frame lens from Lumix?
Dunno. :) :) :)
@@AXYZE I watched a video with the 50mm GM vs the 50mm f1.8 Lumix and the S5 II was better so I don't know.
Yes, it was the latest firmware on the S5II
@@BernardBertrand I see this is why the af performance is so good.
Sony has a decent cameras but they are popular mostly becase of aggressive markering and paid bloggers.
totaly agree
you're using a13 year old apsc lens on the sony against a new panasonic FF lens 🤨
stop compaining about that ! is there any other Sony 50mm f 1.8 ?? I had to compare apple to apple, and what about that ? th-cam.com/video/dBgtaknzEnM/w-d-xo.html
@@log0log I did use both the 35 and the 50mm !
@@BernardBertrand I haven't had overheating issues with my A7IV. i really like the panasonic but its not a fair test there are many 50mm lenses available. i used the Zeiss 55mm 1.8
I bet lumix has advantage on overheating durability, and stabilization with opengate aspect ratio for cheaper price..althought AF and Lens option will be SONY crown forever.
me gustó la música :)
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Réellement déçu qu’avec la mise à jour pour enregistrer en Raw on ne puisse avoir que le proressRAW et en plus avec l’Atomos V+ (donc si on possède l’Atomos V on ne pourras pas le faire). Ce serais tout de même était bien qu’on puisse enregistrer en externe du blackmagic Raw sur un enregistreur externe blackmagic assit 12g comme c’est déjà le cas S5 I
Wow!
Panasonic once again king of video production.
here is a better video for comparison
th-cam.com/video/3jWoirxDCCw/w-d-xo.html
hahahaha thank. you ! Yeah right , but it is is job apparantly
@@BernardBertrand Friend, I have nothing against your video, I was just shocked that sony loses very much in your test
Lumix win..🎉🎉🎉🎉
Is it true what I see 😮???? I believe that lumix s5ll is better I’m Panasonic user but not so much cmon 😅
Yes there is a huge difference between Panasonic and Sony; but just in skin tone, Sony is unwatchable!
Much better Panasonic!!!
This is skin tone test😃
Now do it in 50fps in hd 😂 and not with apsc old lens 😏
다좋은데 모델이 저사람밖에없었던거?ㅜ
ese enfoque de la sony es mentira porque mi a7iii tiene mejor enfoque que esa supuesta a7iv
S5 Ii ultra magenta lol
thise pesky green colour on skin in sony.... I cant get over it. panasonic is solid! how about photo AF???
I agree about the colors, terrible on the Sony in comparaison. regarding the AF in photo it actuallty never been an issue on the Lumix cameras in the past.
@@BernardBertrand I see a slightly lag in photo mode when looking utube videos like hybrid shooter .... review from him. but good peace of gear for shure and less expensive than fuji I think this is better
Focus breathing on Sony 🙄
Is it real? Better than A7 IV?
sony is far in video ahead of lumix thank you sir sensor 😂
Not really
@@fredriksvard2603 never can stop sony am sure😇
Still lumix are poor man's camera
@@naimimohammed2837 Depends. Ergonomics, no overheating, stabilization, price, gimbal-friendly primes, Panasonic has a lot going for it. Sony has autofocus and lens selection.
@@youtubetech7995 Or, the A7SIII is overpriced. Panasonic is a well established manufacturer of pro video cameras and with the S5 they have a budget friendly consumer camera.
Super test!
Thank you ! :)