Comprehensive *STABILIZATION* comparison is available here: th-cam.com/video/fCvFtT5Zgcg/w-d-xo.html I have decided to *remove walking stabilisation samples* from this video. Sony A7 IV performed better in that test which was done at 20mm with Active mode on Sony and E-Stabilization on Panasonic. In subsequent testing, I have found out that Panasonic performs significantly better in walking tests from 24mm upwards. Whilst the samples in the video correctly showed the performance at 20mm, they were not representative of the overall walking stabilisation performance, which is why I have decided to remove the whole section about walking stabilization. The situation around the stabilisation is very nuanced and the conclusion may differ significantly based on the testing methodology, so I will make a separate stabilisation comparison next week. Sorry about that, thank you for understanding.
@@angeloplayforone Well, it is good that it is being discussed, because nobody shows the "whole picture". Those who only compared the IBIS by walking at 35mm + and came to the conclusion that S5 II IBIS universally destroys A7 IV in any situation are just as wrong, so thinking about the testing methodology would be much more useful than saying that I am worng. What I showed still stands, it is just not the whole picture, which is why I will have to make separate video.
Thank you for not ignoring the S5II’s photography features. I appreciate how huge it’s new AF system is in the world of video, but some of us just shoot stills!
Amen! My last camera was a canon 6d mk ii. It had 45 AF points all in the middle of the frame and managed a lousy 1-2fps burst if you wanted to use the dual pixel in live view. It had 1080 up to 60p which was fairly soft. The crazy thing is, it's only a 5 year old camera and debuted for $1999. My next camera is the s5ii, just waiting for it to arrive. What a time to be alive.
@@kamilpotato3764 s5ii or a 6d mk ii? I don't have the s5ii yet, they ship at the end of the month I've heard. The 6d mk ii was "okay" in low light. I'm guessing it probably does as well as your xt4 despite being full frame. Noise reduction has come a long ways.
@@kamilpotato3764 if it's similar to the original S5, then it should be really good. I remember a pretty legit youtuber celebrity doing a comparison between it and the a7siii having surprising results.
The time it takes to pull together a comparison video like this is incredible - we ALL appreciate your hard work! They seem so similar with both being highly capable - it really comes dow to personal preference. If the s5ii had a 4-way screen like A7RV, the decision would be much easier.
@@brandonbuckles826 One that both flips out to the side and can be turned and the ones Fuji is very known for, where you can also teilt it up and down then directly behind the camera. The latter is useful for photography as the screen Stars inline with the body whereas the former is useful for videography where you might want it as a selfie-screen.
@@DesertCookie okay, I have the original S5 which uses the exact same flip out screen and I looked up a video about the Sony's screen and yes, they are both identical fully articulating screens. He even talks about that in this video, so I'm confused about that comment. The Panasonic's is just newer so the screen is much nicer, but yeah, if that "4-way" screen is a deciding factor for anyone, then yes the S5II has the same thing.
Well done on your objective, analytical and informed review. I like it that you have pointed out even the ‘little things’ that LUMIX has addressed, such as the removal of the annoying triangular strap connectors by replacing them with immovable fixing points!
Finally somebody not afraid to say that Sony ibis is good. I don't understand where is the ibis trashing coming from. I switched from s5 to a7iv and the I don't see any difference in ibis performance. S5ii seems to be similar. I might go back to s5iix because of the ssd recording, that is a huge one for me.
Excellent review and comparison. I started in video with the Panasonic GH5. From there, I went to the BMPCC4K. And then to the Sony A7IV. I sold that to get the FX30, since I mainly focus on filmmaking. Now, Panasonic releases the S5ii and soon the S5iix. Personally, I've always preferred Panasonic skin tones. So, I am seriously considering picking up the S5iix. The S5iix is coming in May, so I'm not sure if I will keep the FX30 and get the S5iix, or sell the FX30 to get the S5iix. Either way, the S5iix is a serious consideration for me. Not having to tweak the skin tones in post would be a great time saver. But, who knows. That being said, I've also been looking at the Canon C70. Mainly for its cinema tools like internal ND's and audio recording capabilities. Plus, Canon also captures good skin tones. The price of the S5iix will be a factor in that decision. It is a tough one. I'm trying to stay with one camera system if possible. But, cinema features like recording with Shutter Angle, raw recording, 6K recording are major factors. I look forward to your in-depth review of the S5iix when it is released. Cheers.
I also had my targets set on the FX30. With the launch of the S5II and S5IIx, I’m seriously reconsidering which to purchase as I’m more into video, but definitely shoot stills as well.
The question on S5mII is, how is the AF in SLOMO mode? from what I read it would seem inactive in 150/180p, active on 120p but not fine… can you test AF in slomo mode?
the dynamic range point is huge, it's not new to those who are always on the bleeding edge, but for people like me who are upgrading from older bodies (in my case, a 6D), it's a massive upgrade
yes, but those are JPEGs straight out of the camera - a very different comparison than RAWs. I own an S1 right now that replaced my 6D and i cannot imagine needing more RAW dynamic range any time in the next decade
The fact that this comparison is even close make me happy. Finally Panasonic is getting the attention it deserves w/o the standard refrain of "bad AF" sullying everything else.
A nice comparison video. I would like to see a video comparing the two cameras solely on still image quality and video footage quality, highlighting the differences in the images/videos from the two cameras shot-by-shot, footage-by-footage.
This is potentially game changing. The amount of features panasonic has included to their mid range full frame cameras far surpasses sony and canon. If they don't follow suit they WILL lose customers. Well done panasonic 👏🏼
Panasonic enter the big game with the S5II. Maybe with the next generation of S1, S1H, S1R, etc, we would see a big improvement. Sony and Canon will feel the blow, and Nikon could be in a big risk if stay stagnated.
I cannot stress enough how helpful this is for people who are torn between these two amazing cameras. Thank you, The Hybrid Shooter. I am going with the Sony a7IV on this one. I feel that the Sony a7IV is the more mature and more refined camera between the two.
@@Ezrabastian not hard especially with adapters and most are tailored to video first party lenses will be higher price sigma has great newer lenses. Leica is way expensive.
Hoping this also pushes Sony to add more features to their lower end cameras. The S5ii has pixel shift, focus bracketing, better video IS, shutter angle, anamorphic desqueeze, open gate. You can't get these in the A7iv and only the first two in the A7Rv. The ergos and menus are also better in Panny cameras. There is a lot more choice in the Sony ecosystem but they also beat everyone.
As always great video comparing both cameras covering the most important aspect of both cameras. Can you make a video showing the use of Sigma lenses and if possible one covering adapted canon EF lenses, especially for AF and IBIs?
I did buy an A7IV but returned it due to the fact it doesn't have custom aspect ratios. Still with the S5 but will upgrade to the IIX when it comes along.
I would like to get Lumix s5ii as my first camera for Video Vlog, as it is 1 choice. Is it worth for this expensive price? Heard many users reviews it stacks while video recording and this made them resell it for second hand. Humm I need a video camera.
Great review. I am new to video filming, Which camera is better at handling light flickering? Is using shutter speed sufficient to resolve flickering ?
My platonic soulmate is still my a7iii! "A platonic soulmate is a friend who relates with you deeply and your bond with this person surpasses all other bonds in the world. Also, there’s no romance or sexual connection with them. A platonic soulmate is one you feel the most connected and intimate with over any other friends or family." Maybe it will be so forever?
Hi, in many comparisons I watched the S5ii video looked softer especially for close up and people. Although i like the price of S5ii, the soft image is stopping me from considering the camera because i like my videos to be details. What do you think?
In my situation, I’m looking for a “one camera only” for photo/video. These two (S5 II X & A7IV) are constantly in my mind and I can’t make a decision. Any advice?
Something you lacked to mention is that the Panasonic S 5 II allows to use LUTs in camera - wich none other camera offers so far. Otherwise the best comparison so far 😊 I will stick with my A 7 III and hope for an update Panasonic G9 II
very useful video as always, I own a Sony a74 and I'm seriously thinking about switching to the panasonic s5 Mark 2, but first I wanted to ask you how does the slow motion autofocus at 120fps work? since it still uses the old autofocus, and as body weight you say you feel this difference in weight compared to the a74? Thank you
Very helpful comparison. So good to see real competition. Im torn between the two cameras I'm due to upgrade at the end of the UK financial year. Catalyst browse is a feature I wish Panasonic had, I find it a useful feature to have. Ive got a feeling the new sony tilt/swivel screen will make another appearance on a future Sony release, just wish they'd do it before April.
Catalyst Browse is frankly impractical. A 20 minute clip takes more than an hour to stabilize, and then you can start editing it. I much prefer just better camera stabilization and panasonic practically is like a gimbal already.
@@markshirley01 I haven't found much difference from ILE stablization vs Catalyst Browse for short clips. I used to use Catalyst Browse, and then if I am putting multiple clips together, especially many short clips, the 1 by 1 nature of Catalyst Browse just became too tedious and I gave up. You can get a paid Catalyst version which can do all of them at once, but it costs like $16 a month. The good thing about Catalyst is also it converts from s-log3 to Rec 709 at the same time, too.
S5IIX will be better choice for video than A7IV. Unless Sony introduces open gate 3:2 in firmware update. I wonder if there will be eye-AF for video in open gate 3:2 in S5IIX, which seems to be missing in S5II.
This is a nice review. One major thing to notice is that images between cameras are compared while they are taken with different lenses. The Sigma 24-70 DG DN 2.8 is noticably sharper than the Lumix S 24-105 f4 at all apertures. The images compared at 1:38 do not say anything about the aperture used (and I think that DC DN is a typo over there). If you use the same Sigma lens on L mount, you will see that the image quality of the S5 will improve. Nonetheless, I use my Lumix 24-105 f4 daily and I am really happy with the results. Contrast and lack of lens faults are more important than sharpness if you ask me. Furthermore, I prefer Panasonic's colour science over Sony's. If you want to have separate video controls on the Lumix S series, you have to get an S1.
24-105 is more than sufficiently sharp for 24 MP sensor in the center of the frame at F8. You are not going to get better resolution with Sigma in that kind of situation.
@@TheHybridShooter At f8, that is true. At wider apertures, I disagree. I do not own this particular Sigma lens, but I have tested this lens on a Leica SL2. The Sigma gives sharper pictures at f4 than the 24-105. I also compared the 24-105 f4 and the Lumix 50mm S Pro 1.4, and compared them head to head on my Lumix S1. At f4, the 50mm prime easily wins on sharpness when compared to the 24-105 set to 50mm. Even on f/1.4, the 50mm beats the 24-105 with ease, also in the corners! I was blown away by the image quality of the S Pro 50mm 1.4. It performs the same as the Leica Summilux-SL 50mm 1.4, which I could hardly believe until I tested it myself... Still, sharpness is not the main thing in photography of course, and depending on what the images are used for, it doesn't make any difference. The 24-105 is indeed sharp enough in most cases.
That test is done at F8, all side-by-side images in this video as well, so we can agree that it is all right. I haven't tested the 24-105 comprehensively yet, so I can't comment on that. I have only checked that it provides maximal sharpness at F8 in the center for the purpose of that test.
@@TheHybridShooterok thanks! I’m gonna be selling my Lumix G9 to finally make the move to full frame. I was just waiting for them to put phase detect on their full frame cameras and now they have! Gonna place my preorder in soon.
I've seen some other videos that the Panasonic S5 ll auto focus is not the best in low light. This can be a issue with C-AF at weddings when they lower the light. When I was using my Olympus OMD E-M5 I used S-AF that was really good and stopped down a little at weddings. With my Olympus OMD E-M1ii the auto focus in C-AF is very good in low light with my Olympus 12-40mm f2.8 I only stop down to f4.
Not in my experience. AF works great in the low light. Scene at 4:21 is actually shot in very low light and boosted by exp. compensation. It doesn't have any issues even with dark subject and backlight in that scene, so it won't struggle in lower DR scenes.
@@TheHybridShooter Weddings are a lot different when they lower the lights. Think 9pm or 12am low light with just enough light too see someone dancing but not so you bump into them as if it was pitch black.
I understand, I have tested in a lot of difficult situations and I have never had any issues in the low light. Every system has some limitations, but this one is among the best in the low light.
I would also like to see a video shooting duration test of at least 40 minutes in 4k 4:2:2 between S5Mark2 - Sony A7IV. Is it true that the Sony shuts down after 10 minutes due to overheating?
Thank you for this.. I am torn between the 2 cameras.. Do you know if the new autofocus works in the Panasonic while in the 4K60 FPS mode? And does it also record audio in this mode? Awesome job.. Cheers..
Awesome Video! I Can you check if the S5II HDMI-out desqueezes your image straight out of the camera on anamorphic mode without the help of an external monitor’s desqueeze function like the ninja v?
Do you feel that there is a realistic possibility that Panasonic will release a fullframe stacked 33+ sensor in another camera this year? I know that the X version of S5ii will be coming out in May, but that is still the same sensor as the s5ii. A fullframe stacked sensor camera from Panasonic with some more tweaking on the autofocus would then really give Sony a run for their money. We could all sit back in the grandstand seats (box seats) and cheer for our favorite camera as it came out of the gates running. Who knows, it might force Sony to get more serious about the next version of a Sony a7iv? Right? 😎😎
@@TheHybridShooter No worries. I am not sure if you shoot professionally but, its not obsolete at all my friend. May be in the youtube world it is but not for many professional applications. Thanks anyway.
In that sense, you are right, it is still used a lot, but I think that it is a bad and "lazy" practice and I hope that the viewers will stop accepting 1080p as soon as possible, so I have no intention to promote the use of 1080p footage in any way.
Thanks for your great video! If Panasonic had released all of the features in the S5II in the first generation, I probably would not have gone to the Sony A7IV/A7sIII. They are both very nice though. Given the GH6 is a great camera as well, the Panasonic ecosystem is a little more friendly to video imho. A Panasonic trio of the S1H/S5 & GH6 is a great kit for hybrid shooting with a slant towards video.
My pleasure! In this alternate history scenario, Sony would have probably released next-gen technology one generation earlier as well :) S5 II X will mostly make the S1H obsolete, GH6 output is unfortunately sub-par by today's standards, so the S5 II X should be the only one that you need.
4:54 where in the photo mode. Why and what could be causing the stickiness/freezes of the screen when you shifted objects to focus? It almost acted like buffering issue except you were not really clicking it but only half-pressing it. Could that be lenses issue as you mentioned or was it due to IBIS/ EIS engagement or possibly constant preview? thanks for the review.
@@TheHybridShooter I see. With that being said, adapted lenses or Non IS lenses won't cause that freezes on the screen even camera body's IBIS is turned on in photo mode? ( I could suddenly snap and rip that screen off if that freezes keep going. lol )
Can you do me a favor, even if you don't make a video on this? Can you test the detail difference between 6K 10bit 4:2:0 vs 4K 10bit 4:2:2 and tell me what holds better? My theory that I believe is true, and have tested on my GH5 with 1080p is that the 4:2:2 is better at holding detail then higher resolutions do. But I have not hear anyone making this claim online and figure you might be interested in testing that yourself.
No, it doesn't affect the focusing speed, it is just causing on-screen lag. AF lag has been fixed by a FW update, I have talked about that in my recent long-term review.
Hi, thanks for the in-depth video. Do you mean that the AF lag you show in the stills test for the S5ii is no longer present? I’m currently deciding between the A7IV and the S5iix and I’m concerned about the AF lag in stills that you show in the test. It may help sway my decision. Cheers.
S5ii wins for me, and it's cheaper too. 6K Open Gate Unlimited recording time Much better screen Much better IBIS (& dust mgmt) f1.8 prime same size/weight and IMHO much better color
Panasonic look very interesting ! My experience with sony a74 with f/1.4 I usualy have 1 not perfect focus on 40/50 shots (walking person, not running :P ) so for me is amazing. After your video if I will be more focus on video I think panasonic will be amazing , for all-purpose work sony is very good (not amazing, for example 4/50-60 crop... why?... :( , or evf etc. ), but price of a7r5 is ... expensive. Thank you for very good comparison video, I really like watching your content !
Great review and comparison of both. I really appreciate it. I wish Panasonic had more native lenses (I don't consider L-Alliance Sigma and Leica to be true natives), if it did, I would have gone with Panasonic straight away.
why would you not consider Sigma and Leica lenses as NATIVE? they are the very definition of this... do you not consider all micro 4/3 lenses to be native lenses for that system as well?
Does Sony have the ability to upload your custom LUTS like the S5 II does? You might have missed including that as another feather for the S5 II. Great comparison by the way!
Thank you! I didn’t miss it, I just haven’t found it to be important enough to mention in the comparison. I don’t know whether Sony can do that, since I don’t think that it is a particularly logical feature, to be honest.
I just noticed you may have one mistake about the Panasonic S5IIs. I do not believe the sensor is back-side illuminated. This may be part of the reason why like the Canon cameras, Panasonic's image more contrasty but has less detail and dynamic-range than Sony, Fuji and Nikon image. Back-side illumination seems to make sure the image comes out more evenly lit and increase low-light performance beyond typical expectation. I may be onto something...🤔 You can really see the difference in your comparison images of the lens-filter on the china-cabinet.
Comprehensive *STABILIZATION* comparison is available here: th-cam.com/video/fCvFtT5Zgcg/w-d-xo.html
I have decided to *remove walking stabilisation samples* from this video. Sony A7 IV performed better in that test which was done at 20mm with Active mode on Sony and E-Stabilization on Panasonic. In subsequent testing, I have found out that Panasonic performs significantly better in walking tests from 24mm upwards. Whilst the samples in the video correctly showed the performance at 20mm, they were not representative of the overall walking stabilisation performance, which is why I have decided to remove the whole section about walking stabilization. The situation around the stabilisation is very nuanced and the conclusion may differ significantly based on the testing methodology, so I will make a separate stabilisation comparison next week.
Sorry about that, thank you for understanding.
In stills photography, How do they compare in terms of low light noise, and metering?
Good you have done it, as in Facegroup of Panasonic they have discussed your results about stabilization, which difference from others.
@@angeloplayforone Well, it is good that it is being discussed, because nobody shows the "whole picture". Those who only compared the IBIS by walking at 35mm + and came to the conclusion that S5 II IBIS universally destroys A7 IV in any situation are just as wrong, so thinking about the testing methodology would be much more useful than saying that I am worng. What I showed still stands, it is just not the whole picture, which is why I will have to make separate video.
Thanks! It's because this I love your videos and trust your opinion
Thank you for not ignoring the S5II’s photography features. I appreciate how huge it’s new AF system is in the world of video, but some of us just shoot stills!
I agree but most Panasonic TH-cam channel are about video not many about using Panasonic for photography. And I am a Panasonic photographer
@@game2572 Which lenses do you recommend for S5II if you own one?
@@engineer4862 I have the 2 lens kit within the 20-60 and the 50 1.8 I am enjoying both
We're so blessed to have such great competition. So many great cameras to choose form!
Absolutely.
Amen! My last camera was a canon 6d mk ii. It had 45 AF points all in the middle of the frame and managed a lousy 1-2fps burst if you wanted to use the dual pixel in live view. It had 1080 up to 60p which was fairly soft. The crazy thing is, it's only a 5 year old camera and debuted for $1999. My next camera is the s5ii, just waiting for it to arrive. What a time to be alive.
@@karikaru I’m thinking of getting second hand one as a addition to my Xt2, Xt4, Xe1 and Omdem10mk2. How was low light performance?
@@kamilpotato3764 s5ii or a 6d mk ii? I don't have the s5ii yet, they ship at the end of the month I've heard. The 6d mk ii was "okay" in low light. I'm guessing it probably does as well as your xt4 despite being full frame. Noise reduction has come a long ways.
@@kamilpotato3764 if it's similar to the original S5, then it should be really good. I remember a pretty legit youtuber celebrity doing a comparison between it and the a7siii having surprising results.
I’m glad this video is getting the views it deserves - After years on the platform - you’re still one the best reviewers here on TH-cam
Thank you!
The time it takes to pull together a comparison video like this is incredible - we ALL appreciate your hard work! They seem so similar with both being highly capable - it really comes dow to personal preference. If the s5ii had a 4-way screen like A7RV, the decision would be much easier.
preferences and price.....
I would love to have that. Flip out is just so much easier for photography.
What's a 4-way screen? From what I've seen they both use fully articulating screens and evf.
@@brandonbuckles826 One that both flips out to the side and can be turned and the ones Fuji is very known for, where you can also teilt it up and down then directly behind the camera. The latter is useful for photography as the screen Stars inline with the body whereas the former is useful for videography where you might want it as a selfie-screen.
@@DesertCookie okay, I have the original S5 which uses the exact same flip out screen and I looked up a video about the Sony's screen and yes, they are both identical fully articulating screens. He even talks about that in this video, so I'm confused about that comment.
The Panasonic's is just newer so the screen is much nicer, but yeah, if that "4-way" screen is a deciding factor for anyone, then yes the S5II has the same thing.
Well done on your objective, analytical and informed review.
I like it that you have pointed out even the ‘little things’ that LUMIX has addressed, such as the removal of the annoying triangular strap connectors by replacing them with immovable fixing points!
Finally somebody not afraid to say that Sony ibis is good. I don't understand where is the ibis trashing coming from. I switched from s5 to a7iv and the I don't see any difference in ibis performance. S5ii seems to be similar. I might go back to s5iix because of the ssd recording, that is a huge one for me.
Fantastic comparative. Awesome video what Panasonic has achieved with the autofocus on this camera is almost day and night.
Thank you!
S5II is a great idea, but Sonys lens selection is just too good
Hard to beat the Sony ecosystem, and that always has to be a consideration when choosing a camera.
Excellent review and comparison. I started in video with the Panasonic GH5. From there, I went to the BMPCC4K. And then to the Sony A7IV. I sold that to get the FX30, since I mainly focus on filmmaking. Now, Panasonic releases the S5ii and soon the S5iix. Personally, I've always preferred Panasonic skin tones. So, I am seriously considering picking up the S5iix. The S5iix is coming in May, so I'm not sure if I will keep the FX30 and get the S5iix, or sell the FX30 to get the S5iix. Either way, the S5iix is a serious consideration for me. Not having to tweak the skin tones in post would be a great time saver. But, who knows. That being said, I've also been looking at the Canon C70. Mainly for its cinema tools like internal ND's and audio recording capabilities. Plus, Canon also captures good skin tones. The price of the S5iix will be a factor in that decision. It is a tough one. I'm trying to stay with one camera system if possible. But, cinema features like recording with Shutter Angle, raw recording, 6K recording are major factors. I look forward to your in-depth review of the S5iix when it is released. Cheers.
I also had my targets set on the FX30. With the launch of the S5II and S5IIx, I’m seriously reconsidering which to purchase as I’m more into video, but definitely shoot stills as well.
@@just_drums_please I’m in the exact same boat!
THANK YOU FOR THE REVIEW. YOU ARE ONE OF THE FEW WHO DOESN'T GET FOOLED BY EASY ENTHUSIASM
My pleasure!
Would be curious to see a comparison of the Panasonic S5 II vs. the Fujifilm XH2.
Thanks. Great comparison.
My pleasure, thank you for watching!
Finally upgrading the g85 haan Karl. Likewise.
Hah, Karl! Love ya brotha 🍻
The question on S5mII is, how is the AF in SLOMO mode? from what I read it would seem inactive in 150/180p, active on 120p but not fine… can you test AF in slomo mode?
the dynamic range point is huge, it's not new to those who are always on the bleeding edge, but for people like me who are upgrading from older bodies (in my case, a 6D), it's a massive upgrade
But at 3:00min the difference is quite huge.... Panasonic seems to drown in darkness compared to the Sony..... do you think so, too?
yes, but those are JPEGs straight out of the camera - a very different comparison than RAWs. I own an S1 right now that replaced my 6D and i cannot imagine needing more RAW dynamic range any time in the next decade
Yes, those are JPEGs shot with preproduction FW. DR in standard picture style has been improved in final FW.
By the way. You have the highest answer rate to your audience questions. Keep that style!👏🏼👏🏼
The fact that this comparison is even close make me happy. Finally Panasonic is getting the attention it deserves w/o the standard refrain of "bad AF" sullying everything else.
For all the informative and insightful videos that I have learnt a lot from - thank you.
Thank you, I appreciate it, I'm glad that my videos are useful to you!
A nice comparison video. I would like to see a video comparing the two cameras solely on still image quality and video footage quality, highlighting the differences in the images/videos from the two cameras shot-by-shot, footage-by-footage.
Thank you! I don't do that type of videos, but you should be able to find plenty of such videos here on YT.
This is potentially game changing. The amount of features panasonic has included to their mid range full frame cameras far surpasses sony and canon. If they don't follow suit they WILL lose customers. Well done panasonic 👏🏼
Panasonic enter the big game with the S5II. Maybe with the next generation of S1, S1H, S1R, etc, we would see a big improvement. Sony and Canon will feel the blow, and Nikon could be in a big risk if stay stagnated.
Im waiting for the Leica Q3, it should get phase detected af too
I cannot stress enough how helpful this is for people who are torn between these two amazing cameras. Thank you, The Hybrid Shooter. I am going with the Sony a7IV on this one. I feel that the Sony a7IV is the more mature and more refined camera between the two.
Thank you! I'm glad that my videos are useful to you!
Torn? Good luck finding affordable lenses for S5.
@@Ezrabastian It should be not to hard to find some Sigma lenses for L mount...
@@Ezrabastian not hard especially with adapters and most are tailored to video first party lenses will be higher price sigma has great newer lenses.
Leica is way expensive.
Havent been this excited about a camera in a long time.
Hoping this also pushes Sony to add more features to their lower end cameras.
The S5ii has pixel shift, focus bracketing, better video IS, shutter angle, anamorphic desqueeze, open gate. You can't get these in the A7iv and only the first two in the A7Rv. The ergos and menus are also better in Panny cameras.
There is a lot more choice in the Sony ecosystem but they also beat everyone.
Thank you for doing an excellent review. Showing the pros and cons of a camera helps those who intend to buy such an expensive product.
I'm a core photographer but sometimes do videography!! For photography purposes can you pls suggest which one I should pick up?? Pls help
Great review as always. Another advantage of the Lumix is the possibility that different LUTs can be baked into photo and video internally.
Thanks for the detailed comparison! S5 ii Kit and a7 iii Kit are about same price - which one would you recommend for stills ?
You're welcome! That is what this video is about, so I can't tell much beyond what you heard in the video.
As always great video comparing both cameras covering the most important aspect of both cameras. Can you make a video showing the use of Sigma lenses and if possible one covering adapted canon EF lenses, especially for AF and IBIs?
Thank you! I will try to do that in the near future.
I did buy an A7IV but returned it due to the fact it doesn't have custom aspect ratios. Still with the S5 but will upgrade to the IIX when it comes along.
The open gate is very handy. Im now asked to film in vertical more than horizontal.
I would like to get Lumix s5ii as my first camera for Video Vlog, as it is 1 choice. Is it worth for this expensive price? Heard many users reviews it stacks while video recording and this made them resell it for second hand.
Humm I need a video camera.
The video I was looking for as soon as I heard that S5 II is out.
good 18min review of the S5 mk Ii / Sony a7Iv,
Thank you!
Great review. I am new to video filming, Which camera is better at handling light flickering? Is using shutter speed sufficient to resolve flickering ?
Thank you! Both are fine as long as the system frequency is set correctly.
Thanks for this great comparison! Would love to see autofocus tests with the Sigma L mount lenses.
Can you test S5II autofocus with 3rd party lenses?
Not at the moment, but I will try to do so in the future.
Great video! How did the s5ii do in 30 fps af-c in photos mode. What was the keeper percent?
My platonic soulmate is still my a7iii! "A platonic soulmate is a friend who relates with you deeply and your bond with this person surpasses all other bonds in the world. Also, there’s no romance or sexual connection with them. A platonic soulmate is one you feel the most connected and intimate with over any other friends or family." Maybe it will be so forever?
As always… my favorite channel! 📷👍🏻👍🏻
Your format and presentation is tops!!
Thank you!
Very informative review and comparison :)
Thank you!
Hi, in many comparisons I watched the S5ii video looked softer especially for close up and people. Although i like the price of S5ii, the soft image is stopping me from considering the camera because i like my videos to be details. What do you think?
In my situation, I’m looking for a “one camera only” for photo/video. These two (S5 II X & A7IV) are constantly in my mind and I can’t make a decision. Any advice?
The color science of panasonic is better
@@kevinbordet9594 I think so too. But I’m still debating on if I want those extra megapixels or newer technology.
@@dicksonaraujo another thing to consider is price point. for the difference you may be able to buy some awesome lenses
actually, the difference is only 500 so that might not be enough to make a significant difference
Great Video Hybrid Shooter! I hope Panasonic releases the S1(R/H) successor with PDAF soon.
Something you lacked to mention is that the Panasonic S 5 II allows to use LUTs in camera - wich none other camera offers so far.
Otherwise the best comparison so far 😊 I will stick with my A 7 III and hope for an update Panasonic G9 II
Huge thumbs up for Krtek AF test
First of all, very informative video. Secondly, I wonder if the bird autofocus will work on my Baby Yoda, since it works well on Krtek. 😂
Would be interesting to know who design and who makes the Panasonic sensor. Is it a Sony sensor?
Is the color output on the Panasonic S5 II comparable to the G9, GH5/GH6?
Im very interested as well, I loved the the colors of the GH6 but I sold it because of image issues.
very useful video as always, I own a Sony a74 and I'm seriously thinking about switching to the panasonic s5 Mark 2, but first I wanted to ask you how does the slow motion autofocus at 120fps work? since it still uses the old autofocus, and as body weight you say you feel this difference in weight compared to the a74? Thank you
I don’t shoot 1080p video at all, so I unfortunately can’t tell you that. The weight difference is somewhat noticeable, but not very significant.
@@TheHybridShooter I understand, thanks for the reply
Which is better in low light for stills and which is better in low light for video?
panasonic is really stepping their game! I hope hat they fix a little laggy af in photo mode otherwise I think panaosnic is truly a superb camera
Great video, my friend, and fantastic camera. The S 5 II is my new favorite. Best regards, Kai the bee filmer from Kiel 😍
Thank you! It really is good.
@@TheHybridShooter thank You. My previous favorite was the Sony A 7 IV. But this has changed. ☺
Very helpful comparison. So good to see real competition.
Im torn between the two cameras I'm due to upgrade at the end of the UK financial year.
Catalyst browse is a feature I wish Panasonic had, I find it a useful feature to have.
Ive got a feeling the new sony tilt/swivel screen will make another appearance on a future Sony release, just wish they'd do it before April.
Thank you! It sure is great for the consumers.
Catalyst Browse is frankly impractical. A 20 minute clip takes more than an hour to stabilize, and then you can start editing it. I much prefer just better camera stabilization and panasonic practically is like a gimbal already.
@@CO8848_2 I only use it for 5 - 10 second
@Pat's Production Hacks yes definitely - seems a great camera from so many angles
@@markshirley01 I haven't found much difference from ILE stablization vs Catalyst Browse for short clips. I used to use Catalyst Browse, and then if I am putting multiple clips together, especially many short clips, the 1 by 1 nature of Catalyst Browse just became too tedious and I gave up. You can get a paid Catalyst version which can do all of them at once, but it costs like $16 a month. The good thing about Catalyst is also it converts from s-log3 to Rec 709 at the same time, too.
That was very in depth comparison. Thank you!
S5IIX will be better choice for video than A7IV. Unless Sony introduces open gate 3:2 in firmware update. I wonder if there will be eye-AF for video in open gate 3:2 in S5IIX, which seems to be missing in S5II.
This is a nice review. One major thing to notice is that images between cameras are compared while they are taken with different lenses. The Sigma 24-70 DG DN 2.8 is noticably sharper than the Lumix S 24-105 f4 at all apertures. The images compared at 1:38 do not say anything about the aperture used (and I think that DC DN is a typo over there). If you use the same Sigma lens on L mount, you will see that the image quality of the S5 will improve. Nonetheless, I use my Lumix 24-105 f4 daily and I am really happy with the results. Contrast and lack of lens faults are more important than sharpness if you ask me. Furthermore, I prefer Panasonic's colour science over Sony's.
If you want to have separate video controls on the Lumix S series, you have to get an S1.
24-105 is more than sufficiently sharp for 24 MP sensor in the center of the frame at F8. You are not going to get better resolution with Sigma in that kind of situation.
@@TheHybridShooter At f8, that is true. At wider apertures, I disagree. I do not own this particular Sigma lens, but I have tested this lens on a Leica SL2. The Sigma gives sharper pictures at f4 than the 24-105. I also compared the 24-105 f4 and the Lumix 50mm S Pro 1.4, and compared them head to head on my Lumix S1. At f4, the 50mm prime easily wins on sharpness when compared to the 24-105 set to 50mm. Even on f/1.4, the 50mm beats the 24-105 with ease, also in the corners! I was blown away by the image quality of the S Pro 50mm 1.4. It performs the same as the Leica Summilux-SL 50mm 1.4, which I could hardly believe until I tested it myself...
Still, sharpness is not the main thing in photography of course, and depending on what the images are used for, it doesn't make any difference. The 24-105 is indeed sharp enough in most cases.
That test is done at F8, all side-by-side images in this video as well, so we can agree that it is all right. I haven't tested the 24-105 comprehensively yet, so I can't comment on that. I have only checked that it provides maximal sharpness at F8 in the center for the purpose of that test.
@@m-stat9 Yes, it is. Especially when you want just one lens, the Sigma 24-70 is a very good one.
Wait, is the 24MP sensor in the S5 II a backside illuminated sensor? I thought it was just a basic CMOS sensor
It is BSI
@@TheHybridShooterok thanks! I’m gonna be selling my Lumix G9 to finally make the move to full frame. I was just waiting for them to put phase detect on their full frame cameras and now they have! Gonna place my preorder in soon.
I've seen some other videos that the Panasonic S5 ll auto focus is not the best in low light. This can be a issue with C-AF at weddings when they lower the light. When I was using my Olympus OMD E-M5 I used S-AF that was really good and stopped down a little at weddings. With my Olympus OMD E-M1ii the auto focus in C-AF is very good in low light with my Olympus 12-40mm f2.8 I only stop down to f4.
Not in my experience. AF works great in the low light. Scene at 4:21 is actually shot in very low light and boosted by exp. compensation. It doesn't have any issues even with dark subject and backlight in that scene, so it won't struggle in lower DR scenes.
@@TheHybridShooter Weddings are a lot different when they lower the lights. Think 9pm or 12am low light with just enough light too see someone dancing but not so you bump into them as if it was pitch black.
I understand, I have tested in a lot of difficult situations and I have never had any issues in the low light. Every system has some limitations, but this one is among the best in the low light.
I am curious to see your photo autofocus test with sigma lens on S5ii
Im using my s5II for photography aswell with the light NATIVE LUMIX 85mm 1.8 only 300grams
great video, Panasonic S5 II is really tempting, can Panasonic S5 II do 4K 30p 4:2:2 ?
Yes
@@TheHybridShooter awesome, thanks
I would also like to see a video shooting duration test of at least 40 minutes in 4k 4:2:2 between S5Mark2 - Sony A7IV. Is it true that the Sony shuts down after 10 minutes due to overheating?
Outstanding COMPARISON BRO. THNKS.
Thank you for this comparison! :D
Are the comparison pictures of a7IV and S5II jpeg out of cam?
Or are they developed raw files?
Mostly developed RAWs with no / little adjustments.
Maybe this will push Sony to come out with an A7IVa
Is the Tamron 28-75 G2 compatible with the A7IV's focus breathing compensation feature?
No, that only works with Sony lenses at the moment. You don't really need it with that one though.
Thank you for this.. I am torn between the 2 cameras.. Do you know if the new autofocus works in the Panasonic while in the 4K60 FPS mode? And does it also record audio in this mode? Awesome job.. Cheers..
Thank you! Yes and yes.
@@TheHybridShooter I have been trying to get the answer to this for days.. Thank you so much !!!
Awesome Video! I Can you check if the S5II HDMI-out desqueezes your image straight out of the camera on anamorphic mode without the help of an external monitor’s desqueeze function like the ninja v?
S5ii has internal anamorphic mode
@@granth1332 not my question
@@aram.v answer is yes to your question
@@granth1332 Thanks! I asked Richard Wong and he said that you can, but through Panasonics Webcam Software only.
Do you feel that there is a realistic possibility that Panasonic will release a fullframe stacked 33+ sensor in another camera this year? I know that the X version of S5ii will be coming out in May, but that is still the same sensor as the s5ii. A fullframe stacked sensor camera from Panasonic with some more tweaking on the autofocus would then really give Sony a run for their money. We could all sit back in the grandstand seats (box seats) and cheer for our favorite camera as it came out of the gates running. Who knows, it might force Sony to get more serious about the next version of a Sony a7iv? Right? 😎😎
I have no idea. Sony already sells stacked sensors to Nikon, so it is not impossible, but relatively unlikely.
Has Panasonic touch focus tracking in video mode as Sony? Thanks.
Yes, sure.
Very helpful video. I bet the S5 mark ii is going to get a lot of new TH-camrs on Panasonic
Thank you! It should be quite successful product.
Nice video. Have you tried the autofocus in 1080 50p? Many users have complained that the autofocus switches to DFD in 1080 50p.
Thank you! No I haven't shot 1080p video in many years.
@@TheHybridShooter Would you be able to do a test though?
I don’t intend to test any features related to 1080p video. It is an obsolete standard IMO.
@@TheHybridShooter No worries. I am not sure if you shoot professionally but, its not obsolete at all my friend. May be in the youtube world it is but not for many professional applications. Thanks anyway.
In that sense, you are right, it is still used a lot, but I think that it is a bad and "lazy" practice and I hope that the viewers will stop accepting 1080p as soon as possible, so I have no intention to promote the use of 1080p footage in any way.
Both Camera's alongside the Panasonic S5 Mark 2 X are on my list
Which do you think is best for vlogging ?!
Panasonic 16-35mm F4 is IMO the best vlogging lens, so if you can get that one, maybe the S5 II could be a slightly better choice.
Thank you
For wildlife, bird and macro videography, using the new Sigma 60-600mm, would you go with the Panasonic Lumix S5II or Sony A7IV? Thanks!
Thanks for your great video! If Panasonic had released all of the features in the S5II in the first generation, I probably would not have gone to the Sony A7IV/A7sIII. They are both very nice though. Given the GH6 is a great camera as well, the Panasonic ecosystem is a little more friendly to video imho. A Panasonic trio of the S1H/S5 & GH6 is a great kit for hybrid shooting with a slant towards video.
My pleasure! In this alternate history scenario, Sony would have probably released next-gen technology one generation earlier as well :)
S5 II X will mostly make the S1H obsolete, GH6 output is unfortunately sub-par by today's standards, so the S5 II X should be the only one that you need.
@@TheHybridShooter You are correct. Thanks again and best of luck going forward!
4:54 where in the photo mode. Why and what could be causing the stickiness/freezes of the screen when you shifted objects to focus? It almost acted like buffering issue except you were not really clicking it but only half-pressing it. Could that be lenses issue as you mentioned or was it due to IBIS/ EIS engagement or possibly constant preview? thanks for the review.
Dual stabilization. My pleasure!
@@TheHybridShooter I see. With that being said, adapted lenses or Non IS lenses won't cause that freezes on the screen even camera body's IBIS is turned on in photo mode? ( I could suddenly snap and rip that screen off if that freezes keep going. lol )
I don't know, I have done all of my testing with stabilized lens, I will look at it later.
@@TheHybridShooter 🙏 Thanks so much!!
Super jako vždy!!
Ďakujem!
Terrific overview. Thank you.
My pleasure!
i need a new system as mine is well out of date, these two are the ones iv came down to
Can you do me a favor, even if you don't make a video on this?
Can you test the detail difference between 6K 10bit 4:2:0 vs 4K 10bit 4:2:2 and tell me what holds better?
My theory that I believe is true, and have tested on my GH5 with 1080p is that the 4:2:2 is better at holding detail then higher resolutions do. But I have not hear anyone making this claim online and figure you might be interested in testing that yourself.
6K is definitely more detailed.
5:10 slower focus can be caused by using Panasonic with HDMI output at the same time in Photo mode
No, it doesn't affect the focusing speed, it is just causing on-screen lag. AF lag has been fixed by a FW update, I have talked about that in my recent long-term review.
Hi, thanks for the in-depth video. Do you mean that the AF lag you show in the stills test for the S5ii is no longer present? I’m currently deciding between the A7IV and the S5iix and I’m concerned about the AF lag in stills that you show in the test. It may help sway my decision. Cheers.
@@jongaruman3753 Correct, there is no lag anymore.
crazy nice video! thanks man !
Thank you!
S5ii wins for me, and it's cheaper too.
6K Open Gate
Unlimited recording time
Much better screen
Much better IBIS (& dust mgmt)
f1.8 prime same size/weight
and IMHO much better color
Panasonic look very interesting ! My experience with sony a74 with f/1.4 I usualy have 1 not perfect focus on 40/50 shots (walking person, not running :P ) so for me is amazing. After your video if I will be more focus on video I think panasonic will be amazing , for all-purpose work sony is very good (not amazing, for example 4/50-60 crop... why?... :( , or evf etc. ), but price of a7r5 is ... expensive. Thank you for very good comparison video, I really like watching your content !
Coming from the Sony a6300 to the a7iv, yea I’m happy
what is all intra video? I can't pick out what he's saying there
You can simply google it.
At this point, we can’t really go wrong when it comes to choosing the camera that you will build your life around to.
You're awesome!
Thank you, so are you!
Great video, Thanks. So both are equally good and either option would be good in most scenarios
Thank you! Yes, but they have quite different set of advantages, so I wouldn't say that it is "can't go wrong with either" type of situation.
Great review and comparison of both. I really appreciate it. I wish Panasonic had more native lenses (I don't consider L-Alliance Sigma and Leica to be true natives), if it did, I would have gone with Panasonic straight away.
Thank you! Sigma and Leica L-Mount lenses definitely are native, by the definition. What you probably mean are 1st party Panasonic lenses.
they got the 24mm 35mm 50mm 85mm lumix f1.8!
why would you not consider Sigma and Leica lenses as NATIVE? they are the very definition of this... do you not consider all micro 4/3 lenses to be native lenses for that system as well?
i think, i'd rather the S5 instead of the AIV, it looks better, and you have to like the camera you're holding on your hands
Fair enough...
Amazing new AF we can only expect it to get better and better with firmware updates
Does Sony have the ability to upload your custom LUTS like the S5 II does? You might have missed including that as another feather for the S5 II. Great comparison by the way!
Thank you! I didn’t miss it, I just haven’t found it to be important enough to mention in the comparison. I don’t know whether Sony can do that, since I don’t think that it is a particularly logical feature, to be honest.
Wait, Sony also records gyro data that you can use to stabilize in post
Yes, it does.
@12:54 what is this "integrated strip mount" on s5ii?
Integrated strap mount - strap attachment point.
I just noticed you may have one mistake about the Panasonic S5IIs. I do not believe the sensor is back-side illuminated. This may be part of the reason why like the Canon cameras, Panasonic's image more contrasty but has less detail and dynamic-range than Sony, Fuji and Nikon image.
Back-side illumination seems to make sure the image comes out more evenly lit and increase low-light performance beyond typical expectation.
I may be onto something...🤔
You can really see the difference in your comparison images of the lens-filter on the china-cabinet.
No, I am not mistaken on that. It is BSI, confirmed with Panasonic.
@@TheHybridShooter Hmmm... I dont see it mentioned anywhere on their website...
I checked again, I'm not sure if this is true. I do not believe it is back-side illumination.
I am sure :) I asked in the launch event in Tokyo.
@@TheHybridShooter The (original) S5 is also BSI CMOS.
One of the best! Well done!
Which one is best
That is what this video is about .