how did this video end up longer than the last one that wasn't supposed to happen EDIT: ok I forgot a few things 1. In Level 1 you can skip the first locked door with a glitch. I factored this in but forgot to mention it in the video. (You can actually see it in my notes at 5:14) 2. Some shops sell Keys for 80 Rupees instead of 100. Genuinely don’t know how I forgot that. 3. I have a Twitter! (Or X. Do people even call it X? Imma just keep calling it Twitter.) Anyways, it’s @RetroDudeArt. I infrequently post drawings, but I’ll also start posting updates for videos there as well (amongst other things).
Can't wait for you to become one of those youtubers that publish 1 video every 3 months because after every 2h long video, they try to make a short 5min video which end up spiraling in another 2h long video, just to restart the process over and over again forever.
I'm impressed how well designed the key system is in Zelda 1 That you don't even need the "get an out of jail free cards" until the 2nd quest, which was most likely nowhere near as playtested as the main game
I remember trying to beat the game swordless, and getting stuck in some rooms in the second quest with no way to escape or die. The walk-through walls that only go one way may have been a cause. @@mielthesquid6536
Definitely feels like Miyamoto threw in the key buying as a “We’re not sure if you can get stuck” insurance policy. Because I can never recall ever buying a key.
Yeah, but they're really expensive. It's like when you lock yourself out and your landlord is like, "yeah, we can open the door for you... for a price..."
You got to give the man credit for being so forward thinking. Most other devs at the time wouldn't care. "Oh you got stuck? How about you git gud, sucker!"
Fun fact about buying keys in Zelda 1 I leaned from a documentary, it was designed to act like a "hint" system if you couldn't find your way through a dungeon. They designed the dungeons to not need to buy any keys, but left it there as a backup.
@@anueutsuho7425 I think in this case, the puzzle is more navigating the dungeons themselves and what we call puzzles like push blocks are more like a part of that.
The stammering, breathy, unedited delivery of "How many keys are in the... first, Zelda--" cracked me up immediately LMAO, perfectly gets across the "uh, is this; is this a good; is this a good idea for a; for a video,," energy
As someone who stumbled upon your channel not too long ago and really enjoyed your Mega Man points video, I'd like to formally apologize for putting extra eyes on said video. In total, I put around 6-8 eyes on your video: Four of them were from me (I wear glasses) and two of them were from my mom, who I showed this video to not long after. My dog was also in the room, and since I'm pretty sure he has two eyes (jury's still out on that) you could technically count him as well. His nose could also count as, at most, half an eye considering how much dogs use it to navigate their environment, but that's entirely up to you
"I just made a video talking about something I thought was interesting" And that's exactly why I subscribed! I appreciate sincere perspectives that aren't written by committees or chasing after trends.
"Person talking about something they think is interesting" is the best genre. I don't care before, and maybe I don't even care after, but I definitely care while listening, because your passion infects me!
Really, the fact that it's so difficult to get stuck in Zelda 1 is seriously a testament to how well-designed the game as a whole is. I remember a video once that talked about the fact it technically wasn't a true open world, guiding the player but in ways that still feel like you have freedom (and even being able to sequence break to a big degree). I suppose that one was just the tip of the iceberg, given all you've covered here. As someone who's also just breaking out into YouTubing as a hobby, I felt so much of your commentary about the struggles of video making. You seem so genuine in all your videos thus far, and that perspective is so refreshing. Plus, you too appreciate Zelda 2. That's already the sign of an awesome person to me. :D Lastly, I dig that xA Key bit. Had a similar energy to something like "How many keys do you have now? Yes".
Its sort of like Mega Man--the sequence to play the levels is clear cut, but you have the freedom to go off the beaten path and make the game more difficult should you choose to challenge yourself or figure it out the hard way (first time I beat Zelda I accidentally beat level 3 before level 2 and found level 2 by accident after having gotten a few triforce pieces already!!!)
I was surprised a lot o people are on the same boat actually, I actually don't know someone irl who did the 2nd quest, I did it right after and loved the fact the adventure was just halfway done, but it's a tricky quest, haha.
Then there was five year old me playing the game for the first time thinking it would be clever to name the character ZELDA not knowing that it's a code that makes the game harder.
7:26 "Requires Chill Penguin defeat for heart" Not if you're fast and are willing to lose a life. ...Which means Dash Boots. ...Which is in Chill Penguin's level.
With enough heart tanks you should be able to get that one without the dash boots. Just not sure how many heart tanks you can get without dash boots or other backtracking.
By the way, as a fellow Zelda 2 enjoyer.. I really suggest you try out the Zelda 2 fan remake! Just finished it myself and i can safely day, my Zelda 2 cart will be collecting dust now. It mproves the experience a LOT for the average player as well as OG fans. Just some of the improvements include: -WIDESCREEN -Backtracking/retracking after game overs mostly fixed -New areas -New quests (kinda) -New minigames -Altered level designs -More helpful dialogue And much more! Apparently it's made with game maker but it feels 100% like the real deal. All the classic strats and tricks work, except a few cheesy ones which is overall for the better. (No spoilers, you'll have a good laugh at what i mean when you get to it. 😉 )
You do a great job of getting me invested in a topic that seemingly isn't interesting or one I wasn't previously interested in, AND this is only your third video. Keep it up, subbed!
Dude, this is your THIRD VIDEO?? DUDE the editing and scripts and visuals and humour are TOP TIER. First video I've seen of yours, but I'm definitely gonna watch the rest!! Very excited to see where you go!!
I usually got the Magical Key early in my playthrough of the first quest, so I never thought too hard about whether or not it was possible to get key stuck. Fun video, and enjoy Persona 3 Reload!
It's pretty easy to get yourself stuck in Zelda 2 because, not only do palaces lock after you collect the item and beat the boss, but keys aren't sold anywhere since there's no in-game shopping. I think that I managed to do it once by borrowing a key from the second palace and using it in the first one.
Only if you don't get the Magic Key. If you're allowed to get the Magic Key, you can get unstuck by just using the Fairy spell to reach the required dungeon items, and collect the Magic Key in New Kasuto. Honestly, I'm not 100% sure you could get stuck even without the Magic Key - are there any areas where you need to get through a locked door *and* be in non-Fairy form afterwards in the same room?
@@NrgSpoonThat's a good point. In the Japanese version, you can make it unwinnable by doing as otakubullfrog1665 mentioned above: 1. Get all three keys you can reach in palace 2 without the Glove 2. Spend those three keys in palace 1. Don't pick up any keys in palace 1. Clear palace 1 so it turns to stone. 3. There is one key you can reach in palace 3 without the Glove. Just spend it in any locked door in palace 3 or 2, except the one blocking the Glove. You now have no accessible keys, you can't progress any further in palace 3 because all paths forward require the Glove. You can't go to palace 4-6, because you need the Raft for that (which requires the Glove). And there are no accessible keys left in palace 2-3, so you can't unlock the Glove. The game is unwinnable in this state.
On a more obscure note abusing the fairy warp glitch in Zelda 2 can also get you stuck, to the point of making the game unwinnable. If you use the warp glitch to swap which palace you are in and place the gemstone while in that state the wrong palace will get destroyed, preventing you from placing all six stones. For example I once used the warp glitch to go to palace 3 from inside palace 6. Placing the gemstone in the warped palace 3 caused palace 6 to be destroyed, so I couldn't place the palace 6 gemstone to get the final palace forcefield to open.
12/10 intro that blew me away especially with how early on it is - I hope that even as you improve you’re able to look back on these older videos with pride because the quality and effort put in really shows!! ^^
Some years ago I streamed myself playing Zelda1 Quest 1 for some friends and I'm pretty sure I finished with 14 keys. I bombed around locked doors as much as possible, and skipped worthless items (wand, book, and "A" Key). The idea was to always plot a course that would allow me to pick up keys that didn't require using them. Took me a little over 90 minutes to complete with no deaths that I can recall. That was fun times. More games should have simple ways like Zelda 1 does for getting around regular obstacles like that.
Well you've already cemented that I'm here for whatever. I rang the bell after this one. Keep it up! You clearly have a grasp on something you wanna talk about or an idea for a thing, so when you have one I'm here. If you take time to make a vid, I'll be here to watch it!
This doesn't even mention the strange bug on dungeon 1 where entering, leaving & re-entering opens the first locked door. I'm not sure if it was ever patched out of any later version.
Strictly speaking, it's not restricted to the first dungeon, but you have to be playing the randomizer to see any other situations it's doable in. Which brings up the question of "so is it possible to get stuck in the randomizer?" The answer there is "oh god yes, and it's hilarious when you watch it happen to someone, especially if all the secrets rolled low".
@@MasterZebulinit's something about the game seeing that you came from the bottom of the screen and unlocking the door at the top of the previous room, but it's the first room so the previous room is also the first room. There's an analysis somewhere.
As a game designer all these videos are super interesting, not to mention your style also works very well for this type of content. Looking forward to seeing more! 🙏
theoretically if i remember correctly, this bug applies to any dungeon entrance however. level 1 is the only dungeon to have a north entrance locked door.
@@theretrodude154 Ah wow. I thought I was onto something for you there. I only actually found out about it through someone else’s play through a couple years ago and never knew it growing up!
As many others have said, the quality of editing on this video is brilliant. Absolutely putting the bell on for this channel, best of luck with engagement :)
I absolutely hate most of the "can you beat [game] without/with [restriction]" but you were direct to the point and fast about it, and I learned that you can beat the game with 26 keys. Really appreciate you not beating around the bush and being informative in your videos!
After a few straight days of YT suggesting this video to me, I gave it a watch. This time, the algorithm knew what I wanted to watch today. Liked, subbed and enjoyed!
Great video! When I saw the title I thought the question was whether getting softlocked by running out of keys was possible. You can... because I did it totally by accident as a kid. Second quest, level 4: Use your last key without opening the locked door two doors left of the "more bombs" room. Then, walk into the "more bombs" room from below.
This actually encouraged me to check out the original because I'm terrified of softlocking myself like you can if you run out of ammo in the older Resident Evil games
Great video, and i think its ok to take your time on videos with such good edit, i am exited for more megaman content, and i hope you have fun with p3 realod❤ Edit:sorry for bad english
As newly minted channels go, this has the energy and editing of like, a really well-established gaming review channel. I was a bit shocked to click on your name and see a grand total of... 3 videos. Excellent work, and I look forward to whatever you may come up with next!
The funny thing about the "key for every lock, " logic of the rest of the series is that if you're playing far enough outside of the intended way, you can actually get yourself stuck in at least two dungeons in Ocarina of Time. (You have to be trying, though. There's no way you'd do either of them by accident.)
if you try to beat first quest with zero deaths, there is a way you can get trapped in level 9 if you don't collect the magic key. enter the "eyes of skull has a secret"-guys room from the left without opening the locked doors down below beforehand. if you don't have any keys left at this point and killed all the enemies, the only way out is getting killed by the old guy, since one door to the left that you passed closes behind you.
So I would like to make 2 points here. When you did your key cost math to seem to of forgotten the cheaper 80 rupee keys you showed earlier in the video. It is also really easy to miss the magic key in level 8 as the item itself and the map of the dungeon are hidden behind a bombable wall and it was definitely a thing I never found as a kid playing the game. I knew it was in the game due to the starting scroll listing all the items but I never knew where. Also dungeon 8 gives you 2 items so I always found the book and thought I got the dungeon item. And with the map to level 8 also being behind the hidden bombable wall the key is there is no clue there's a space up there and I always found the boss first. So I was totally that kid who grinded rupees and bought keys to finish death mountain. It was the 80 rupee keys though.
Holy shit I totally forgot that you can buy a key in Zelda 1 . That is so crazy I don’t ever remember that being a thing in any of the other other Zeldas
This video is on track to shatter the view count of the last one! you earned a subscriber here... looking forward to more. If I can offer a small piece of advice... don't put too much pressure on yourself to pump out content "fast". Hbomberguy has proven that despite how "the algorithm" works for most people, there's still much success to be had with well informed and researched content (or SummoningSalt, if you want a more gaming-specific example).
7:25 You do not need to defeat Chill Penguin to acquire the Heart Tank in Flame Mammoth's level. The lava does not instantly kill you, so you simply need enough health to survive long enough to grab it before dying. Getting more Heart Tanks from other stages, and the Dash Boots from Chill Penguin help. But defeating Chill Penguin is 100% not a requirement for Flame Mammoth's Heart Tank.
Awesome video. I'm 60 years old and still a big gamer. I started playing pinball through the early 70s then into pong and 2600 atari and grew up at a bowling alley where we had all the latest arcade games in the late 70s to early 80s like pac man and donkey kong
One of my favorite super simple glitch/exploits: when you enter the first dungeon the first time, literally just walk out and come back in - the locked door at top will be unlocked, so you'll have an extra key coming out of first dungeon.
I also agree that Zelda 2 is really good, I find it a lot more fun than Zelda 1 because, while it’s challenging, I don’t get that feeling like I have no idea what to do or where to go.
good content, honestly interested in you making more stuff. you have the air of knowing what you're talking about and a nice passion in the way you talk about it that I find makes the video very interesting to watch
Small note about something said early in the video: keys became dungeon-specific in Zelda II. In fact there's actually an NPC in the game who highlights as much. Anyway, great video. Carry on!
I watched your Mega Man score video shortly after it came out, but forgot to subscribe. Imagine my surprise when this one popped up! Thanks, Al Gorithm!
On the topic of getting stuck in Zelda 1, I came across an interesting thread on reddit not too long ago where a player did manage to get stuck in a room due to a vire being trapped on the opposite side of a blood pool (the thing you use the ladder to cross), where all exits from the room were locked due to needing to kill everything.
Your thumbnail was done amazingly well. Keep up the great work. And the best part is once you figure out how something works, you're always entitled to your opinion as to why or why not something should have been implemented. Keep up the great work!
when i first managed to beat The Legend of Zelda, i never found the magic key and ended up buying a key to get through level 9. So this video speaks to me
Im sorry for the stress and preasure the youtube analytics can put on, ill watch every video of youres no matter what it is and i hope other people will do the same.
I thought this video was going to be about actually getting stuck: And I had flash backs to Level 7 Second Quest... where I went into the level without the ladder. And there is a spot where the door locks behind you and you can get stuck since you don't have the ladder. And since you can't Save and Quit... You lost your progress up to your last save... My childhood fear has been revisited. lol Anyways, I enjoyed the Key question though and I never actually thought of that question, so it was very entertaining. Thanks for doing the work and congrats on playing 2nd Quest for the first time!
I never sat down and really planned out a route, but I did spend many hours back in the day trying to get stuck... Nice to know that my failure to do so was inevitable.
Getting stuck in Zelda 1: Step 1: go into dungeon 5 with no keys Step 2: go north, bomb west, bomb west, go through the tunnel. Step 3: push the movable block east. Congrats, you're stuck!
i feel like the fact that the key/door ratio per dungeon isn't constant and you can use keys in other dungeons lends the game a cool feeling of immersion, like "these areas weren't designed, things just happened to be here" that's kinda lost in the more tightly designed sequels
This confirms how effective games were back in the day - that with few exceptions they made a game that set up a scenario where you had to try very VERY hard to fail. Nice work.
I still like how even with all the evil, Ganon abided to Hyrule's Universal Key Law with all the dungeons. Was kind of a dumb law. people kept entering my tree house and taking my key collection. Then I started selling them.
If I remember correctly, it's possible to lock yourself out of a chunk of A Link To The Past's Misery Mire dungeon if you use your keys just wrong (there's nothing important in that wing of the dungeon). In Link's Awakening, the dungeon Key Cavern has a collection of locked dead-end rooms with single keys behind them. If you take the right path early, these rooms would become inaccessible, except the dungeon has one more key than it needs, near the end of the dungeon. And I think that's the last of the key weirdness in this series.
The thing that might make it possible in Zelda II, assuming using the fairy spell to bypass doors is not an option (and it actually is patched out in the revised PAL cartridge), is that you can take Keys from one palace and use them in another, and once both the item is collected and boss is beaten in any given palace it turns to stone - potentially sealing any uncollected keys inside. However, since you only need to collect the item from a palace to advance, you would need to softlock yourself before Palace 5. Once you collect the oboe from Palace 5, it will always be possible to obtain the magic key. To make it work, you would need to collect the excess keys in palace 2 or 3 after collecting the item, then advance to palace 3 and/or 4 and use those keys without collecting any extra. However, since you need to collect the item to advance to seal each palace, you'll always be able to advance to the next area, ultimately making this impossible.
how did this video end up longer than the last one
that wasn't supposed to happen
EDIT: ok I forgot a few things
1. In Level 1 you can skip the first locked door with a glitch. I factored this in but forgot to mention it in the video. (You can actually see it in my notes at 5:14)
2. Some shops sell Keys for 80 Rupees instead of 100. Genuinely don’t know how I forgot that.
3. I have a Twitter! (Or X. Do people even call it X? Imma just keep calling it Twitter.) Anyways, it’s @RetroDudeArt. I infrequently post drawings, but I’ll also start posting updates for videos there as well (amongst other things).
cool, huh?!
Can't wait for you to become one of those youtubers that publish 1 video every 3 months because after every 2h long video, they try to make a short 5min video which end up spiraling in another 2h long video, just to restart the process over and over again forever.
Usually it takes a while for TH-camrs to fall into the habit of making longer and longer videos, but you’re moving ahead of schedule.
hi
I like Zelda 2 too. Not a favorite in the series, but I do like its music a lot and would like to hear more than just the Temple Theme reappear.
"The game never changes so why should I"
I've never heard such a pointlessly petty and yet hilarious statment in my life.
I'm sure that was meant to be a joke, but then he mentioned the second quest and I was like, "Well look at that, the game changed."
I was half expecting a mention of the Randomizer, myself.
that's what you call a segue. I found it to ve a good one.
Whenever the Lockpicking Lawyer plays The Legend of Zelda he starts the game with A Keys.
No, he starts with the standard sword and just shoves the sword into the lock until something breaks, like a home invader with a katana would do.
@@GunSpyEnthusiast No, that's McNally.
"Unfortunately Princess Zelda chose to lock the dungeon doors with Masterlock. So let's begin; nothing on 1, 2 is binding..."
He does the first locked door glitch with that commentary lmao@@ChibiKami
@@ChibiKamiEven LPL just bangs on a masterlock, it's faster and easier
I'm impressed how well designed the key system is in Zelda 1
That you don't even need the "get an out of jail free cards" until the 2nd quest, which was most likely nowhere near as playtested as the main game
They covered themselves pretty well with 1.more keys than locks before DM 2.The magic key 3.purchaseable keys
even if you get "softlocked" you can still kill yourself to reset your position, I know no way to actually get real stuck in this game.
@@mielthesquid6536 Killing all the enemies in the room should do the trick to get you truly softlocked
I remember trying to beat the game swordless, and getting stuck in some rooms in the second quest with no way to escape or die. The walk-through walls that only go one way may have been a cause. @@mielthesquid6536
@@mundodacrianca2147 Holding up and a on a second controller while paused lets you save/kill yourself at any time
Definitely feels like Miyamoto threw in the key buying as a “We’re not sure if you can get stuck” insurance policy. Because I can never recall ever buying a key.
Yeah, but they're really expensive. It's like when you lock yourself out and your landlord is like, "yeah, we can open the door for you... for a price..."
You got to give the man credit for being so forward thinking. Most other devs at the time wouldn't care. "Oh you got stuck? How about you git gud, sucker!"
@@panthekirb7561 Thracia 776 moment
you don't have at least 6 characters or a way to open doors? can't beat the game anymore lol
@@raymoo8504 true
Also Thracia 776 is good but no one has ever played it :(
@@raymoo8504 Trollcia strikes again
Fun fact about buying keys in Zelda 1 I leaned from a documentary, it was designed to act like a "hint" system if you couldn't find your way through a dungeon. They designed the dungeons to not need to buy any keys, but left it there as a backup.
Thats pretty generous
And yet the puzzles are substantially simpler than later games. The enemies were the bigger danger.
@@anueutsuho7425 I think in this case, the puzzle is more navigating the dungeons themselves and what we call puzzles like push blocks are more like a part of that.
The stammering, breathy, unedited delivery of "How many keys are in the... first, Zelda--" cracked me up immediately LMAO, perfectly gets across the "uh, is this; is this a good; is this a good idea for a; for a video,," energy
twitter humor
The whole "you have A keys" bit was so quietly aggressive, I loved it.
As someone who stumbled upon your channel not too long ago and really enjoyed your Mega Man points video, I'd like to formally apologize for putting extra eyes on said video. In total, I put around 6-8 eyes on your video: Four of them were from me (I wear glasses) and two of them were from my mom, who I showed this video to not long after. My dog was also in the room, and since I'm pretty sure he has two eyes (jury's still out on that) you could technically count him as well. His nose could also count as, at most, half an eye considering how much dogs use it to navigate their environment, but that's entirely up to you
Very, VERY off-topic, but wow. Another internet user whom I'd heard of, seen their works, and then I happen to find them randomly elsewhere. Hello!
@@alynnzz0491 Oh wow, really? well, thanks, glad to hear you like my work
Same
@@mistermike4023is that THE mister Mike?
Who the hell is THE mister Mike?
@@Purriah He's MisterMike... but THE
"I'm not that familiar with the newer Zeldas".
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Retro Dude indeed.
I walked in on my older brother banging our cousin when I was a kid. I'm not fucked up though. It just happened and I got over it.
Hey, he said "newER," not "new."
"I just made a video talking about something I thought was interesting"
And that's exactly why I subscribed! I appreciate sincere perspectives that aren't written by committees or chasing after trends.
"Person talking about something they think is interesting" is the best genre. I don't care before, and maybe I don't even care after, but I definitely care while listening, because your passion infects me!
Really, the fact that it's so difficult to get stuck in Zelda 1 is seriously a testament to how well-designed the game as a whole is. I remember a video once that talked about the fact it technically wasn't a true open world, guiding the player but in ways that still feel like you have freedom (and even being able to sequence break to a big degree). I suppose that one was just the tip of the iceberg, given all you've covered here.
As someone who's also just breaking out into YouTubing as a hobby, I felt so much of your commentary about the struggles of video making. You seem so genuine in all your videos thus far, and that perspective is so refreshing. Plus, you too appreciate Zelda 2. That's already the sign of an awesome person to me. :D
Lastly, I dig that xA Key bit. Had a similar energy to something like "How many keys do you have now? Yes".
The A stands for "all of them".
Its sort of like Mega Man--the sequence to play the levels is clear cut, but you have the freedom to go off the beaten path and make the game more difficult should you choose to challenge yourself or figure it out the hard way (first time I beat Zelda I accidentally beat level 3 before level 2 and found level 2 by accident after having gotten a few triforce pieces already!!!)
How many keys do you have?
*AAAAAH*
"A is for Ralph!"
The only serious way I could think of to get really stuck in Zelda 1 is if someone gets inside Ganon's room without the silver arrows
As someone who played a bunch of OG zelda growing up, Im glad to hear someone else also never messed with the 2nd quest haha. Great video dude
I was surprised a lot o people are on the same boat actually, I actually don't know someone irl who did the 2nd quest, I did it right after and loved the fact the adventure was just halfway done, but it's a tricky quest, haha.
Then there was five year old me playing the game for the first time thinking it would be clever to name the character ZELDA not knowing that it's a code that makes the game harder.
@3:34 Hey! Thanks for using my video! 😀
No, thank YOU for grinding 255 keys. Because I probably would’ve if I didn’t find your video first. You’re the real hero of this vid 👍
7:26 "Requires Chill Penguin defeat for heart"
Not if you're fast and are willing to lose a life. ...Which means Dash Boots. ...Which is in Chill Penguin's level.
With enough heart tanks you should be able to get that one without the dash boots. Just not sure how many heart tanks you can get without dash boots or other backtracking.
Plus you can’t do a 100% completion without at least one backtrack (Chill Penguin x2).
I feel like we're gonna see stuck% Zelda 1 speedruns.
Or a run to get 26 extra keys without buying any.
Stuck in a washing machine%
@@rinnnnnnnnnnrin What are you doing with that spear, step-moblin...?
The algorithm blessed me once again! This is exactly the type of stuff i love to watch/listen to while playing games!
By the way, as a fellow Zelda 2 enjoyer.. I really suggest you try out the Zelda 2 fan remake!
Just finished it myself and i can safely day, my Zelda 2 cart will be collecting dust now.
It mproves the experience a LOT for the average player as well as OG fans.
Just some of the improvements include:
-WIDESCREEN
-Backtracking/retracking after game overs mostly fixed
-New areas
-New quests (kinda)
-New minigames
-Altered level designs
-More helpful dialogue
And much more! Apparently it's made with game maker but it feels 100% like the real deal.
All the classic strats and tricks work, except a few cheesy ones which is overall for the better. (No spoilers, you'll have a good laugh at what i mean when you get to it. 😉 )
You do a great job of getting me invested in a topic that seemingly isn't interesting or one I wasn't previously interested in, AND this is only your third video. Keep it up, subbed!
Dude, this is your THIRD VIDEO?? DUDE the editing and scripts and visuals and humour are TOP TIER. First video I've seen of yours, but I'm definitely gonna watch the rest!! Very excited to see where you go!!
I usually got the Magical Key early in my playthrough of the first quest, so I never thought too hard about whether or not it was possible to get key stuck. Fun video, and enjoy Persona 3 Reload!
once again, this incredible niche topic ended up being quite entertaining.
thanks for the quality content o/
It's pretty easy to get yourself stuck in Zelda 2 because, not only do palaces lock after you collect the item and beat the boss, but keys aren't sold anywhere since there's no in-game shopping. I think that I managed to do it once by borrowing a key from the second palace and using it in the first one.
Only if you don't get the Magic Key. If you're allowed to get the Magic Key, you can get unstuck by just using the Fairy spell to reach the required dungeon items, and collect the Magic Key in New Kasuto.
Honestly, I'm not 100% sure you could get stuck even without the Magic Key - are there any areas where you need to get through a locked door *and* be in non-Fairy form afterwards in the same room?
@@1up20x6 I believe in the Japanese version, you can't pick up equipment as a fairy, so that might be a point of concern.
@@NrgSpoonThat's a good point. In the Japanese version, you can make it unwinnable by doing as otakubullfrog1665 mentioned above:
1. Get all three keys you can reach in palace 2 without the Glove
2. Spend those three keys in palace 1. Don't pick up any keys in palace 1. Clear palace 1 so it turns to stone.
3. There is one key you can reach in palace 3 without the Glove. Just spend it in any locked door in palace 3 or 2, except the one blocking the Glove.
You now have no accessible keys, you can't progress any further in palace 3 because all paths forward require the Glove. You can't go to palace 4-6, because you need the Raft for that (which requires the Glove). And there are no accessible keys left in palace 2-3, so you can't unlock the Glove. The game is unwinnable in this state.
On a more obscure note abusing the fairy warp glitch in Zelda 2 can also get you stuck, to the point of making the game unwinnable. If you use the warp glitch to swap which palace you are in and place the gemstone while in that state the wrong palace will get destroyed, preventing you from placing all six stones.
For example I once used the warp glitch to go to palace 3 from inside palace 6. Placing the gemstone in the warped palace 3 caused palace 6 to be destroyed, so I couldn't place the palace 6 gemstone to get the final palace forcefield to open.
@@1up20x6 the Fairy spell's keydoor clipping effect is broken in the PAL version, so it's a lot easier to ruin your game in that one.
12/10 intro that blew me away especially with how early on it is - I hope that even as you improve you’re able to look back on these older videos with pride because the quality and effort put in really shows!! ^^
Some years ago I streamed myself playing Zelda1 Quest 1 for some friends and I'm pretty sure I finished with 14 keys. I bombed around locked doors as much as possible, and skipped worthless items (wand, book, and "A" Key). The idea was to always plot a course that would allow me to pick up keys that didn't require using them. Took me a little over 90 minutes to complete with no deaths that I can recall.
That was fun times. More games should have simple ways like Zelda 1 does for getting around regular obstacles like that.
Well you've already cemented that I'm here for whatever. I rang the bell after this one. Keep it up! You clearly have a grasp on something you wanna talk about or an idea for a thing, so when you have one I'm here. If you take time to make a vid, I'll be here to watch it!
You want to walk into level 8 with 3 hearts and no heart except the bow and the candle? *insert "you serious" meme*
This doesn't even mention the strange bug on dungeon 1 where entering, leaving & re-entering opens the first locked door. I'm not sure if it was ever patched out of any later version.
Strictly speaking, it's not restricted to the first dungeon, but you have to be playing the randomizer to see any other situations it's doable in. Which brings up the question of "so is it possible to get stuck in the randomizer?"
The answer there is "oh god yes, and it's hilarious when you watch it happen to someone, especially if all the secrets rolled low".
In fact, it's adressed at some point actually.
@@aprildenham5376nothing like farming ghosts for a few minutes 😭😭
I still don't know why that happens.
@@MasterZebulinit's something about the game seeing that you came from the bottom of the screen and unlocking the door at the top of the previous room, but it's the first room so the previous room is also the first room. There's an analysis somewhere.
Hey, your vids really get your interest into obscure video game stuff across and that is amazing, thanks
Keep up the work bro, don't sweat the new views too much just keep doing what you're passionate about.
That said anything sonic related would be sweet
I'm already feeling let down. . .
Because I can only like a video once. Keep up the good work! :D
Incredibly high producation value, keep up the great work on these spectacularly niche topics.
As a game designer all these videos are super interesting, not to mention your style also works very well for this type of content. Looking forward to seeing more! 🙏
Put a big fat smile on my face seeing you'd uploaded again, loved the score video and was hoping you'd make more cool stuff, and you certainly have!
I'm happy to see another upload because yes, I was one of the people that very much enjoyed your previous one.
Hope God keeps giving you mission objectives like this
Completely agree
Absolute gold mine of a channel, Retro. Glad to be here.
First dungeon, first quest: when you enter and see that locked door right in front of you, leave and go back in. Door is unlocked. It saves you a key.
Don’t worry, I factored that in. I shoulda brought it up in the video tho lol
theoretically if i remember correctly, this bug applies to any dungeon entrance however. level 1 is the only dungeon to have a north entrance locked door.
@@theretrodude154 Ah wow. I thought I was onto something for you there. I only actually found out about it through someone else’s play through a couple years ago and never knew it growing up!
@@scorpionsapprentice3248 I wonder if it could be tested in a randomized or editor!
@@neojakemcc it can. there is a dungeon editor to test this out.
They probably asked themselves the same question and decided It was easier to add keys for sale than to analyze whether getting stuck was possible
Congrats! You have been graced by the TH-cam algorithm! You shall now achieve incredible success with your videos! Do not resist :D
ok the zelda 1 video with the zelda 2 music was absolutely cursed but great video!
yeah that bothers me too
As many others have said, the quality of editing on this video is brilliant. Absolutely putting the bell on for this channel, best of luck with engagement :)
I absolutely hate most of the "can you beat [game] without/with [restriction]" but you were direct to the point and fast about it, and I learned that you can beat the game with 26 keys. Really appreciate you not beating around the bush and being informative in your videos!
loving this cybershell-esque content :)
After a few straight days of YT suggesting this video to me, I gave it a watch. This time, the algorithm knew what I wanted to watch today. Liked, subbed and enjoyed!
Great video! When I saw the title I thought the question was whether getting softlocked by running out of keys was possible. You can... because I did it totally by accident as a kid. Second quest, level 4: Use your last key without opening the locked door two doors left of the "more bombs" room. Then, walk into the "more bombs" room from below.
Always surprises me how well og Zelda holds up
This actually encouraged me to check out the original because I'm terrified of softlocking myself like you can if you run out of ammo in the older Resident Evil games
Great video! I'm alright with it taking longer than expected if the end product is enjoyable.
Great video, and i think its ok to take your time on videos with such good edit, i am exited for more megaman content, and i hope you have fun with p3 realod❤
Edit:sorry for bad english
me: NES Legend of Zelda is so complicated, I don’t know what I’m doing and where I have to go, I’m stuck
you: *This is beyond science*
As newly minted channels go, this has the energy and editing of like, a really well-established gaming review channel. I was a bit shocked to click on your name and see a grand total of... 3 videos.
Excellent work, and I look forward to whatever you may come up with next!
The funny thing about the "key for every lock, " logic of the rest of the series is that if you're playing far enough outside of the intended way, you can actually get yourself stuck in at least two dungeons in Ocarina of Time.
(You have to be trying, though. There's no way you'd do either of them by accident.)
if you try to beat first quest with zero deaths, there is a way you can get trapped in level 9 if you don't collect the magic key. enter the "eyes of skull has a secret"-guys room from the left without opening the locked doors down below beforehand. if you don't have any keys left at this point and killed all the enemies, the only way out is getting killed by the old guy, since one door to the left that you passed closes behind you.
So I would like to make 2 points here. When you did your key cost math to seem to of forgotten the cheaper 80 rupee keys you showed earlier in the video. It is also really easy to miss the magic key in level 8 as the item itself and the map of the dungeon are hidden behind a bombable wall and it was definitely a thing I never found as a kid playing the game. I knew it was in the game due to the starting scroll listing all the items but I never knew where. Also dungeon 8 gives you 2 items so I always found the book and thought I got the dungeon item. And with the map to level 8 also being behind the hidden bombable wall the key is there is no clue there's a space up there and I always found the boss first. So I was totally that kid who grinded rupees and bought keys to finish death mountain. It was the 80 rupee keys though.
Holy shit I totally forgot that you can buy a key in Zelda 1 . That is so crazy I don’t ever remember that being a thing in any of the other other Zeldas
You knocked it out of the park again with another great video!!
Another banger. Expecting to see you with A subscribers soon.
This video is on track to shatter the view count of the last one! you earned a subscriber here... looking forward to more. If I can offer a small piece of advice... don't put too much pressure on yourself to pump out content "fast". Hbomberguy has proven that despite how "the algorithm" works for most people, there's still much success to be had with well informed and researched content (or SummoningSalt, if you want a more gaming-specific example).
I stumbled across this channel by chsnce, and youre an entertainment and charismatic dude. Love the video and i hope to see more!
This gives early 2010’s game reviewer vibes and i love it
7:25 You do not need to defeat Chill Penguin to acquire the Heart Tank in Flame Mammoth's level. The lava does not instantly kill you, so you simply need enough health to survive long enough to grab it before dying. Getting more Heart Tanks from other stages, and the Dash Boots from Chill Penguin help. But defeating Chill Penguin is 100% not a requirement for Flame Mammoth's Heart Tank.
Really great video!! Can't wait for more!
This is a…weirdly interesting niche topic I didn’t know I needed a video about until now. Cool
Awesome video. I'm 60 years old and still a big gamer. I started playing pinball through the early 70s then into pong and 2600 atari and grew up at a bowling alley where we had all the latest arcade games in the late 70s to early 80s like pac man and donkey kong
You got blessed by the algorithm. I really enjoyed the megaman video and this one too. I would definitely keep watching videos like these.
One of my favorite super simple glitch/exploits: when you enter the first dungeon the first time, literally just walk out and come back in - the locked door at top will be unlocked, so you'll have an extra key coming out of first dungeon.
I also agree that Zelda 2 is really good, I find it a lot more fun than Zelda 1 because, while it’s challenging, I don’t get that feeling like I have no idea what to do or where to go.
good content, honestly interested in you making more stuff. you have the air of knowing what you're talking about and a nice passion in the way you talk about it that I find makes the video very interesting to watch
Small note about something said early in the video: keys became dungeon-specific in Zelda II. In fact there's actually an NPC in the game who highlights as much.
Anyway, great video. Carry on!
Damn, your channel exploded. I look forward to seeing it grow. I like your content style.
Ah yes, the answer to a pointless question about a game I've never played. Fantastic, keep 'em coming, good sir
"How many keys do you have?"
"A keys."
"You mean a key? Like, 1 key?"
"No. A keys".
Love your content. Just wanted to say that.
Zelda 2 IS a masterpiece and I'm tired of pretending it's not
I watched your Mega Man score video shortly after it came out, but forgot to subscribe. Imagine my surprise when this one popped up! Thanks, Al Gorithm!
This is some serious gourmet shit
Love this kinda content, just a guy talking about stuff he likes and figuring out things in the game
On the topic of getting stuck in Zelda 1, I came across an interesting thread on reddit not too long ago where a player did manage to get stuck in a room due to a vire being trapped on the opposite side of a blood pool (the thing you use the ladder to cross), where all exits from the room were locked due to needing to kill everything.
Your thumbnail was done amazingly well.
Keep up the great work. And the best part is once you figure out how something works, you're always entitled to your opinion as to why or why not something should have been implemented. Keep up the great work!
I do not know how the algorithm recommended me this video but I am glad it did and you earned a sub
when i first managed to beat The Legend of Zelda, i never found the magic key and ended up buying a key to get through level 9.
So this video speaks to me
The answer is yes, you can stock up on keys like crazy in early levels by bombing rooms to avoid wasting keys
Wake up babe, TheRetroDude uploaded
Masterclass in game design
Your content is great and I’m glad I discovered you! You’ll do fantastic in your future.
Just got you recommended. Bro. I'm going to watch everything on your channel
Im sorry for the stress and preasure the youtube analytics can put on, ill watch every video of youres no matter what it is and i hope other people will do the same.
I thought this video was going to be about actually getting stuck: And I had flash backs to Level 7 Second Quest... where I went into the level without the ladder. And there is a spot where the door locks behind you and you can get stuck since you don't have the ladder. And since you can't Save and Quit... You lost your progress up to your last save... My childhood fear has been revisited. lol
Anyways, I enjoyed the Key question though and I never actually thought of that question, so it was very entertaining. Thanks for doing the work and congrats on playing 2nd Quest for the first time!
Mate you've got some good comedic timing and delivery.
I never sat down and really planned out a route, but I did spend many hours back in the day trying to get stuck... Nice to know that my failure to do so was inevitable.
Getting stuck in Zelda 1:
Step 1: go into dungeon 5 with no keys
Step 2: go north, bomb west, bomb west, go through the tunnel.
Step 3: push the movable block east.
Congrats, you're stuck!
Great video dont rush yourself you're doing great
he's the retroest dude you'd ever heard
i feel like the fact that the key/door ratio per dungeon isn't constant and you can use keys in other dungeons lends the game a cool feeling of immersion, like "these areas weren't designed, things just happened to be here" that's kinda lost in the more tightly designed sequels
This confirms how effective games were back in the day - that with few exceptions they made a game that set up a scenario where you had to try very VERY hard to fail. Nice work.
I still like how even with all the evil, Ganon abided to Hyrule's Universal Key Law with all the dungeons.
Was kind of a dumb law. people kept entering my tree house and taking my key collection. Then I started selling them.
If I remember correctly, it's possible to lock yourself out of a chunk of A Link To The Past's Misery Mire dungeon if you use your keys just wrong (there's nothing important in that wing of the dungeon). In Link's Awakening, the dungeon Key Cavern has a collection of locked dead-end rooms with single keys behind them. If you take the right path early, these rooms would become inaccessible, except the dungeon has one more key than it needs, near the end of the dungeon. And I think that's the last of the key weirdness in this series.
The thing that always blew my mind is the idea that "being able to use a key more than one time" means it's "magic".
The thing that might make it possible in Zelda II, assuming using the fairy spell to bypass doors is not an option (and it actually is patched out in the revised PAL cartridge), is that you can take Keys from one palace and use them in another, and once both the item is collected and boss is beaten in any given palace it turns to stone - potentially sealing any uncollected keys inside. However, since you only need to collect the item from a palace to advance, you would need to softlock yourself before Palace 5. Once you collect the oboe from Palace 5, it will always be possible to obtain the magic key.
To make it work, you would need to collect the excess keys in palace 2 or 3 after collecting the item, then advance to palace 3 and/or 4 and use those keys without collecting any extra. However, since you need to collect the item to advance to seal each palace, you'll always be able to advance to the next area, ultimately making this impossible.