I don’t understand why you have to block the grille. How would that mess up the maf sensor since you’re getting MORE cold air in? My thinking would be that it would run and perform better. Any info helps, thanks!
There is already plenty fresh air available there coming from the middle grille opening. If the side of the grille was open putting air directly on the filter, that is just turbulent air that really messes with the MAF signal. And these cars rely on having a truly clean MAF signal. You see guys with custom OTR kits getting by with it because the MAF is located 10"-12" downstream from the filter.
Yep it will work great with the stock grille because you wont have to worry about blocking the extra hole. Its already a solid piece with the stock grille.
Being honest I haven't driven the car much since the install, and the ambient air is still admittedly cool outside here in West Virginia. So I'm not stamping any final verdicts yet. But so far the iat's haven't went more than 10 degrees over ambient while sitting in traffic for 15 minutes. The open filter setup would have been 30 degrees over in those conditions. I don't look for any peak condition hp gains, but I expect far less hp drop off after the first hit or sitting in staging lanes.
I have one. Yes and yes. Helps to get it tuned but can run with the notune pmas as well. Probably only get maybe 5 ponies untuned but iats are about 4 degrees above ambient.
It works just fine for daily use. The belly pan and fender liners keep it dry as a bone in there so no worries about water intrusion unless you are driving through a foot of standing water
It's not so much the amount of fresh air, it's the turbulence of the air's entry point in relation to the MAF sensor. Turbulent air will negatively affect MAF signals, and create poor driveability & idle. That's why I blocked off the section of my Cervinis lower grille near the air filter... this is NOT an issue with the stock lower grille though!
So far I still love it. Now that I've driven it in hot summer days I can report that the IAT's are still only 2-3 degrees over ambient when moving, and still within 10 degrees of ambient when sitting for long periods of time. One great thing is after you've been sitting, the IAT's recover super quickly with any air movement at all. I am very pleased, but had realistic expectations.
No... both Nick James (PMAS) and Palm Beach Dyno verified that a retune is not necessary since I am using the same MAF sensor and housing that I am already tuned for.
@@bradleypfeffer1716 temps in traffic and after repeated passes are MUCH better than the open element filter kit. Since I've installed the kit, I've noticed that the IAT's are about 2-3 degrees cooler than even the stock airbox. When cruising, it is never more than 3 degrees above ambient. Obviously not enough cooler air to gain hp, but I'm very happy to gain airflow without heating the air more than stock. I'm very happy with it!
I don’t understand why you have to block the grille. How would that mess up the maf sensor since you’re getting MORE cold air in? My thinking would be that it would run and perform better. Any info helps, thanks!
There is already plenty fresh air available there coming from the middle grille opening. If the side of the grille was open putting air directly on the filter, that is just turbulent air that really messes with the MAF signal. And these cars rely on having a truly clean MAF signal. You see guys with custom OTR kits getting by with it because the MAF is located 10"-12" downstream from the filter.
Ok thanks that makes sense, I thought the maf sensor was still up top by the engine bay
Does this work good with the stock bumper/grill on the 2023 Mustang gt
Yep it will work great with the stock grille because you wont have to worry about blocking the extra hole. Its already a solid piece with the stock grille.
Did you notice any difference in performance or iat?
Being honest I haven't driven the car much since the install, and the ambient air is still admittedly cool outside here in West Virginia. So I'm not stamping any final verdicts yet. But so far the iat's haven't went more than 10 degrees over ambient while sitting in traffic for 15 minutes. The open filter setup would have been 30 degrees over in those conditions. I don't look for any peak condition hp gains, but I expect far less hp drop off after the first hit or sitting in staging lanes.
I have one. Yes and yes. Helps to get it tuned but can run with the notune pmas as well. Probably only get maybe 5 ponies untuned but iats are about 4 degrees above ambient.
@@matthewdiaz6478I’m tuned already,would I have to get retuned if I add it on?
@@andysalazar7930 Yes.
Would this cai work good for daily drive or just track use
It works just fine for daily use. The belly pan and fender liners keep it dry as a bone in there so no worries about water intrusion unless you are driving through a foot of standing water
@@BlueOvalTavern okay that’s good to know thank you so much
@@xxchrisgamerxx6850 you are very welcome
Does the too much fresh air actually affect the car?
It's not so much the amount of fresh air, it's the turbulence of the air's entry point in relation to the MAF sensor. Turbulent air will negatively affect MAF signals, and create poor driveability & idle. That's why I blocked off the section of my Cervinis lower grille near the air filter... this is NOT an issue with the stock lower grille though!
How difficult was it to clean the filter?
I havent had to clean it yet, but it doesn't look hard. Just a few push pins, pull the inner fender back, and you can remove the filter
How the car idel with this intake?
Idle quality is just as good as it was stock
Is your grill after market ?
Yes my lower grille is from Cervinis
@@BlueOvalTavern okay thank you so much
How’s cai so far
So far I still love it. Now that I've driven it in hot summer days I can report that the IAT's are still only 2-3 degrees over ambient when moving, and still within 10 degrees of ambient when sitting for long periods of time. One great thing is after you've been sitting, the IAT's recover super quickly with any air movement at all. I am very pleased, but had realistic expectations.
I wish they had this when I had my ‘18 GT. I had to use the original one. It did perform but it fit like shit.
I totally agree. I've had the original PMAS intake since its introduction for the 2018's. I called it "race quality." The new setup fits much better
Did you have the car retuned ?
No... both Nick James (PMAS) and Palm Beach Dyno verified that a retune is not necessary since I am using the same MAF sensor and housing that I am already tuned for.
Thanks!
Did it lower the intake temps?
@@bradleypfeffer1716 temps in traffic and after repeated passes are MUCH better than the open element filter kit. Since I've installed the kit, I've noticed that the IAT's are about 2-3 degrees cooler than even the stock airbox. When cruising, it is never more than 3 degrees above ambient. Obviously not enough cooler air to gain hp, but I'm very happy to gain airflow without heating the air more than stock. I'm very happy with it!
@@bradleypfeffer1716 very soon I plan to do a real world comparison video of the PMAS fenderwell vs stock 2018 vs GT350 airbox