6:40 the eotech 552 and 558 are night vision compatible. 552 is absolute co-witness and 558 is lower 1/3 co-witness. 558 also has the buttons on the side like an EXPS 3.x
Great video! I'm a new subscriber. I just switched to a Holosun 510C with a 3x magnifier. I don't have any desire to shoot 556 more than a 100 yards. My gun is just set up for SHTF and not sniper work. I have a 308 bolt action and that is what I would use for anything longer than 100 yards. I have always used an LPVO and I don't see any advantage using that setup. With 62 grain, green tip, I am getting groups of a fist size at 100 yards. Plenty accurate for what I need.
Very good and valid points but I still think the LVPO is better at distance. Now I'm admittedly biased due being a former designated marksman. This might be going way off topic but I've been entertaining the idea of 45 degree offset iron sights for the simple fact that any optic will be worthless for a few minutes in the summertime where i live when you walk outside into the heat they all fog up.
@@brandonbowman5915 If it has higher than 6x magnification and a better eye box and a BDC, I would agree for at distance 👍 but you still run into the other drawbacks, unfortunately
Over the years I’ve tried many different set ups. From top end LPVOs to red dots to holo sights to prisms even an elcan. For my main squeeze I’ve settled on an Eotech EXPS3-4 with the 4 dot reticle and a G45 magnifier. I can range with the 4 dot reticle out to 700 yards and can easily hit 10” plates out to 500 yards. I have yet to test it extensively out to 600. I like it more and am more consistent than with my LPVOs (especially in odd positions) even tho I’m more into long range shooting and like shooting scoped rifles better. For the record, I owned a nightforce, razor gen III, Trijicon and March LPVOs so I didn’t compare to trash. The added benefit is I have the absolute best night vision set up. I would tell anyone even thinking about it to give it a try I think they’ll be glad they did.
@@Heywoodthepeckerwood I haven’t used any expensive LPVOs, but Ive come to the same conclusion you did. I love the combo and its the best setup for NVG use imo 👍
The beauty of living in this day and age and having the plethora of available options is that there is no right or wrong answer, its just a matter of what trade offs you're willing to have. Im personally still of the opinion that a higher end LPVO (Nightforce, Razor) is still the best option for me for a GPR. But again, its all about the indian not the arrow tools are just a means to help get results, but what results you wind up getting would be more on you than the actual tool itself.
@@connormckay9429 couldnt agree more👍. I like the idea of an LPVO, im just too scared to commit $2000 on the really nice ones, in case I dont like it any better than my $200 ones 😂
if you spend more than 300 on an lpvo you get your durability back. My Atacr, NX8 and Razor have been excellent. You can watch sagedynamics kick the shit out of every high end lpvo from the last 6 years and they are totally fine.
@@vurvurvur do you have a link to someone dropping the rifle, with the back of the lpvo hitting the ground first? Because I cant find one. All the scope bodies are made of 6061-T6, so I doubt the expensive ones would survive that drop. Im happy to be wrong, but apparently no one wants to sacrifice a $2000 optic for science 😂
@@noway6633 Ill have to look. I would believe NF would have a better chance. Im still skeptical though, since thats a lot of force/leverage for a 30-34mm tube of aluminum.
@@poortac5568 th-cam.com/video/T1XGh6hSumc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=aVCnckcnspmJ55Hq&t=1059 Any optic this guy has on his channel has been dropped on concrete from shoulder height 4 times with 500 rounds between each interval. He doesnt always record it but each optic gets the concrete.
There are videos of march banging their scopes of a table to check if there are shifts with a collimating machine. They do it with all their scopes. probably is on their TH-cam channel.
I sure would like to get another EOTech. I had the older AA battery version from 2006-2016. I sold it with an AR to help pay for some bills when I was in a bad spot financially. My EOTech didn't have the "zero shift" that was going on around the interweb. I was not in those extreme temp conditions either. I currently run an Aimpoint PRO with my 'starburst' reticle due to my astigmatism. I think I would like to try their XPS.
@@andyprairiedog An eotech is the way to go if you have astigmatism. A prism sight would also be worth looking at. The XPS is a great choice if you don’t need a QD mount or NVG setting 👍
Chinese LPVOs definitely are on the bendy side, but a good quality LPVO like a U.S. made one, you’re gonna get a chonky boy. Like a Razor HD-E 1-6x that thing is solid. Or an NF ATACR. 1 $1500 to $2500 though. USO has the TS-8X in their Chinese line and they are super durable too but the glass is not as good. Pretty decent just tighter eye box and they have a slightly brown tint.
Great vid. You and I had the same thinking on this a couple videos back. The weight and the durability arent there. A dot and magnifier are still king for 97% of situations with a rifle. Lpvo is a niche tool imo with lots of downsides and very heavy. Very unwieldly
@@douglascuvillyed.s8211 thanks! Yeah, if I can ever get my hands on a high end LPVO (for cheap), I would like to try it out. But I fairly confident they will have the same flaws with durability, weight, and size.
@@surfsailor2003 I did, I also suggested some sort of pic rail “pillar” that could support the rear of the scope. Maybe a rear sight that also supports it? Thanks for watching 😀
@@justcallmejoeable Because a forward assist is the opposite of reliability in 99% of cases. It normally just makes an issue worse. Im not against having one, but most people would just make a malfunction worse when using it. Also, Ive never had to use the forward assist. The few malfunctions Ive had to clear were either simple tap racks or I had to mortar the rifle. If the spring pressure isnt enough to slam a round in the chamber, that round doesnt need to be in the chamber.
@@frankopanklaric It depends on what you expect your engagement distances to be. Realistically, Im focused on 0-100 yards (both in reality and fantasy), with the ability to make easy hits out to 400. Anything past that is icing, but not necessary. An LPVO is generally superior past 100 yards, but a red dot is superior within 100. Battery life is irrelevant imo. We would be dead in any scenario where you cant find batteries for more than a few months (of active use). How many firefights do people honestly think they would survive. Plus a red dot/magnifier is more durable than a scope.
@@poortac5568 An LVPO is "point and click" at 100 yards and in unless you have a weird zero. It's only when you get down to CQB distances that a dot is superior.
@@SnapD24 there are a lot of CQB areas that range from 5 to 100 yards in the same building. Think hallways in schools, walmart, and other large buildings.
Interesting, I enjoyed your take on this. I went from a RDS and magnifier combo to a 4x prism and offset RDS set up myself and I’ve found that I enjoy that set up more. I’ve always kinda viewed the prism/RDS as the inverse of the RDS and magnifier
@@FirearmsAndFitness The only concern Id have is where the piggyback red dot is mounted/how durable it is. Like ACOGs, most prism sights should be more durable than a LPVO. At some point I want to try one out. Thanks for the compliment 👍
@@musclebymike1382 I agree they are over priced. However, you do get a super durable and very versatile optic. Plus it’s the king of NVG shooting. They do make the 512 models which are like half the price of the EXPS series. My friends and I always go back to Eotech, kinda like Glocks, even though we constantly try new stuff 🤷♂️
@@poortac5568 The 512 use AA battery and the battery life is not good. Now the 510c is cheaper and has longer battery life. I'm a fan of EOTECH but I prefer Primary Arms because it has an etched reticle, so if the battery is drained I can still use the scope.
@@musclebymike1382 standard led red dots suck under anything more than 3x magnification. I like etched reticles, but the bodies of LPVO’s are much more fragile than a red dot or eotech.
@@poortac5568 I have one LPVO it's a primary Arms scope but that's a STHF and you have to reach out some distance. Primary Arm do have red dots and prisms, they're no where as big as LVPO's. Have you ever tried a Primary Arms Prism or Red dot.
I had the best handwriting in my third grade class. I guess I found there was no need for improvement. If you look at my penmanship from today vs when I was in 3rd grade it looks exactly the same.
I’m like 30 seconds in this video and I can already tell you that you are in fact and experienced with lpvos. No, don’t give me wrong are they less durable than say a T2? Sure. But if you branch out to products not made in china you’ll find what every other combat group has. Lpvos work well in combat. And if you ever get off the range, with the large painted white targets at known distances and start needing the ability to engage, subdued colors partially occluded you’ll find the ability to have a higher magnification with good glass, greatly beneficial. The only time I would ever suggest a Red dot and magnifier would be if you were a, completely untrained or be doing a very particular task and role.
Definitely need to try some good lpvos. You have over a grand with a good eotech and magnifier but ask more out of a cheap lpvo which just won’t happen with the mount alone isn’t built in like a red dot. Cant say all lpvos arnt good when you havnt tried any over 300 bucks. A good lpvo will 100% out preform an eotech magnifier at range from eye box, clarity, and reticle options, otherwise there isn’t a point to the lpvo. If you prefer the eotech mag after using a good lpvo or just admit you’re not willing to spend the money on a good lpvo then that’s different and understandable.
@@dylanwatson8468 I agree that a good LPVO has a lot of advantages, including all the things you mentioned. I just prefer 1x performance and durability over everything else though 👍
These durability claims always make me laugh a little bit. It's like watching Sage Dynamics doing his drop test on pistol dots. It's fun to watch, but it just doesn't make sense to me. When is this durability supposed to come into play?
@@SnapD24 wear a duty belt with a holster that doesnt protect the optic and you will see how often your gun/holster/optic hits stuff. Door frames get hit a lot, not to mention if you have to fight a dude on the ground. Thats where “duty” grade matters. For conceal carry, it’s not as big of a deal, but you can still end up on the ground. Plenty of example videos on that on youtube. Ive seen a lot of high speed dudes smack their rifles on door frames in kill houses, during training.
@@KennyRodgers930 it depends on how much stuff you have on your rail, i suppose. Personally I dont mind changing batteries once or twice a year. If I cant source batteries in that amount of time, Im probably dead, because the world went wrong 😂
@@poortac5568 I mean even if you have a PEQ you have more than enough space. I’ve never seen a serious use rifle have the entire top rail taken up unless it’s a 10.5 or shorter, then I’d understand the shorty. Or if you’re really trying to save on weight, I’d understand the shorty… But if you’re not in either of those camps it’s really a form over function deal, which is fine as long as it’s admitted lol
@@madride858585 the Holosun reticle looks like trash magnified at 6x. Enclosed emitter is more rugged. It also doesn’t have a bdc reticle. Battery life isnt a big deal. If I cant find batteries for more than a year, while needing my rifle every day, Im already dead. People think their optic needs to last 10 years. They forget that in a scenario where you have no logistics, you will probably die from a lack of basic necessities before ever needing new optic batteries. I do like Holosun products though.
lpvo with piggy back or 45 degree red dot is gold. LPVO gives you way better magnification for PID. 3x magnifiers have like a 2 inch eye relief which I hate. To each their own.
@@magdumpdaddy the magnifier I suggest is 6x, and it has better eye relief than my LPVOs. I would agree on higher magnification with higher end LPVOs, but the 8x and 10x settings have bad eye relief on cheaper options. I would rather get a higher magnification scope if I wanted to see things better at farther distances. I dont care about battery life honestly. 3 months of constant use is plenty. It not like spare batteries are hard to find. Thanks for watching 😀
@poortac5568 really? I get 4 or more inches eye relief from my vortex 1-6 lpvo. Love lpvo combined with 45 degree offset red dot. I tried that 6x magnifier you have and only had about 2 inches of eye relief
@@magdumpdaddy interesting, maybe it just seemed the same. Other magnifiers Ive used had bad eye relief though. Granted Im usually prone or benched when using the magnifier, so its not a big deal.
@@moderngunguy3666 durability is the first requirement, everything else is still important though. I prefer a red dot/holographic for inside 100 yards.
Alright buddy if you buy quality LPVO they are tough and reliable quit buying the ones from Walmart. Also the better quality you buy it will be lighter and they weigh the same as red dot with magnification lol do better research man. Holosun magnification is garbage
Glass quality is King. A 4X ACOG will be better at PID than a shit 6X magnifier. Because of glass quality alone. Also the 4X ACOG has a substantial edge in field of view. Which makes tracking movement way easier. I am a fan of LPVO's as well. Mil-Std-810g is the .gov/.mil standard for testing scopes. I know the PA Plx-c has passed that standard. As have the Vortex Razor and NF NX8 and ATACR lines. As well as a plethora of Leupold's. But you are going to pay for that durability. I look at red dots and EOturds as defensive optics more than something to be used in a field environment. Like Infantry stuff. The SOF Ninja's use them because their mission profile had a lot of over watch included in their mission package. Which meant a lot of dudes outside holding perimeter with magnified optics. Along with belt feds and other force multipliers. Even the magnifiers from Aimpoint and Eoturd with really good glass are really not that good. In combination with the holo sight or dot. Everything has it's pros and cons.
That's why I always have backup iron sights...Always.
I'm also old. I come from a time when we qualified with iron sights on our M16A2s. 😆
@@richardschafer7858 I agree, I always want back up irons 👍
Thanks for the breakdown! Especially the BDC and weight analysis!
@@wtdconcepts anytime 👍
6:40 the eotech 552 and 558 are night vision compatible. 552 is absolute co-witness and 558 is lower 1/3 co-witness. 558 also has the buttons on the side like an EXPS 3.x
@@LogisticIncrements thanks! 😀
Great video! I'm a new subscriber. I just switched to a Holosun 510C with a 3x magnifier. I don't have any desire to shoot 556 more than a 100 yards. My gun is just set up for SHTF and not sniper work. I have a 308 bolt action and that is what I would use for anything longer than 100 yards. I have always used an LPVO and I don't see any advantage using that setup. With 62 grain, green tip, I am getting groups of a fist size at 100 yards. Plenty accurate for what I need.
@@rotadyma thanks for the sub!
Very good and valid points but I still think the LVPO is better at distance. Now I'm admittedly biased due being a former designated marksman. This might be going way off topic but I've been entertaining the idea of 45 degree offset iron sights for the simple fact that any optic will be worthless for a few minutes in the summertime where i live when you walk outside into the heat they all fog up.
@@brandonbowman5915 If it has higher than 6x magnification and a better eye box and a BDC, I would agree for at distance 👍 but you still run into the other drawbacks, unfortunately
Over the years I’ve tried many different set ups. From top end LPVOs to red dots to holo sights to prisms even an elcan.
For my main squeeze I’ve settled on an Eotech EXPS3-4 with the 4 dot reticle and a G45 magnifier. I can range with the 4 dot reticle out to 700 yards and can easily hit 10” plates out to 500 yards. I have yet to test it extensively out to 600.
I like it more and am more consistent than with my LPVOs (especially in odd positions) even tho I’m more into long range shooting and like shooting scoped rifles better.
For the record, I owned a nightforce, razor gen III, Trijicon and March LPVOs so I didn’t compare to trash.
The added benefit is I have the absolute best night vision set up.
I would tell anyone even thinking about it to give it a try I think they’ll be glad they did.
@@Heywoodthepeckerwood I haven’t used any expensive LPVOs, but Ive come to the same conclusion you did. I love the combo and its the best setup for NVG use imo 👍
The beauty of living in this day and age and having the plethora of available options is that there is no right or wrong answer, its just a matter of what trade offs you're willing to have. Im personally still of the opinion that a higher end LPVO (Nightforce, Razor) is still the best option for me for a GPR. But again, its all about the indian not the arrow tools are just a means to help get results, but what results you wind up getting would be more on you than the actual tool itself.
@@connormckay9429 couldnt agree more👍. I like the idea of an LPVO, im just too scared to commit $2000 on the really nice ones, in case I dont like it any better than my $200 ones 😂
if you spend more than 300 on an lpvo you get your durability back. My Atacr, NX8 and Razor have been excellent. You can watch sagedynamics kick the shit out of every high end lpvo from the last 6 years and they are totally fine.
@@vurvurvur do you have a link to someone dropping the rifle, with the back of the lpvo hitting the ground first? Because I cant find one. All the scope bodies are made of 6061-T6, so I doubt the expensive ones would survive that drop. Im happy to be wrong, but apparently no one wants to sacrifice a $2000 optic for science 😂
@@poortac5568pretty sure Night force has videos of them brutalizing their scopes and lpvos.
@@noway6633 Ill have to look. I would believe NF would have a better chance. Im still skeptical though, since thats a lot of force/leverage for a 30-34mm tube of aluminum.
@@poortac5568 th-cam.com/video/T1XGh6hSumc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=aVCnckcnspmJ55Hq&t=1059
Any optic this guy has on his channel has been dropped on concrete from shoulder height 4 times with 500 rounds between each interval. He doesnt always record it but each optic gets the concrete.
There are videos of march banging their scopes of a table to check if there are shifts with a collimating machine. They do it with all their scopes. probably is on their TH-cam channel.
I sure would like to get another EOTech. I had the older AA battery version from 2006-2016. I sold it with an AR to help pay for some bills when I was in a bad spot financially. My EOTech didn't have the "zero shift" that was going on around the interweb. I was not in those extreme temp conditions either. I currently run an Aimpoint PRO with my 'starburst' reticle due to my astigmatism. I think I would like to try their XPS.
@@andyprairiedog An eotech is the way to go if you have astigmatism. A prism sight would also be worth looking at. The XPS is a great choice if you don’t need a QD mount or NVG setting 👍
@@poortac5568 Nice. I'll be looking into a prism optic...probably a 1x or 2x.
Chinese LPVOs definitely are on the bendy side, but a good quality LPVO like a U.S. made one, you’re gonna get a chonky boy. Like a Razor HD-E 1-6x that thing is solid. Or an NF ATACR. 1
$1500 to $2500 though. USO has the TS-8X in their Chinese line and they are super durable too but the glass is not as good. Pretty decent just tighter eye box and they have a slightly brown tint.
@@definitelynotthea.t.f.8813 Im waiting to get my hands on a nice LPVO so I can test them 👍
Primary Arms micro w/ 3x mag. Great for 11.5”. The chevron is super simple and the range ACSS is the bomb
@@DisgustedGenXr Id like to try that combo as well, but another viewer said the chevron/reticle is too thick for a 6x magnifier.
Have you considered a 5x primary arms with a red dot on top? 😅
@@anthonysholars4782 Id like to try a prism at some point 👍
Great vid. You and I had the same thinking on this a couple videos back. The weight and the durability arent there. A dot and magnifier are still king for 97% of situations with a rifle. Lpvo is a niche tool imo with lots of downsides and very heavy. Very unwieldly
@@douglascuvillyed.s8211 thanks! Yeah, if I can ever get my hands on a high end LPVO (for cheap), I would like to try it out. But I fairly confident they will have the same flaws with durability, weight, and size.
How easy did you bend that Discovery eye piece??
I got the answer, saw your drop vid. Good work sacrificing to the lpvo gods. Send the video to Discovery for toughening up
@@surfsailor2003 I did, I also suggested some sort of pic rail “pillar” that could support the rear of the scope. Maybe a rear sight that also supports it? Thanks for watching 😀
Ill Stick with my LPVO
@@steemerxaxon1643 👍
How are you so focused on reliability yet your rifle doesn't even have a forward assist?
@@justcallmejoeable Because a forward assist is the opposite of reliability in 99% of cases. It normally just makes an issue worse. Im not against having one, but most people would just make a malfunction worse when using it. Also, Ive never had to use the forward assist. The few malfunctions Ive had to clear were either simple tap racks or I had to mortar the rifle. If the spring pressure isnt enough to slam a round in the chamber, that round doesnt need to be in the chamber.
I went from LPVO to dot with magnifier then back to LPVO. The clear glass and reticle are just too good. Not dependant on any batteries.
@@frankopanklaric It depends on what you expect your engagement distances to be. Realistically, Im focused on 0-100 yards (both in reality and fantasy), with the ability to make easy hits out to 400. Anything past that is icing, but not necessary. An LPVO is generally superior past 100 yards, but a red dot is superior within 100. Battery life is irrelevant imo. We would be dead in any scenario where you cant find batteries for more than a few months (of active use). How many firefights do people honestly think they would survive. Plus a red dot/magnifier is more durable than a scope.
@@poortac5568 An LVPO is "point and click" at 100 yards and in unless you have a weird zero. It's only when you get down to CQB distances that a dot is superior.
@@SnapD24 there are a lot of CQB areas that range from 5 to 100 yards in the same building. Think hallways in schools, walmart, and other large buildings.
Good video. How do you find people to buy stuff you don't want?
@@markzuckerberg3128 Ebay 😎 Or friends/coworkers.
Interesting, I enjoyed your take on this. I went from a RDS and magnifier combo to a 4x prism and offset RDS set up myself and I’ve found that I enjoy that set up more. I’ve always kinda viewed the prism/RDS as the inverse of the RDS and magnifier
@@FirearmsAndFitness The only concern Id have is where the piggyback red dot is mounted/how durable it is. Like ACOGs, most prism sights should be more durable than a LPVO. At some point I want to try one out. Thanks for the compliment 👍
@@poortac5568 if you go with something that is a t2 footprint then you really don’t have much to worry about
tacswap or r/GAFS is very active
I prefer Primary Arms scope, EOTECH very over priced. But it was a very good up sale video..
@@musclebymike1382 I agree they are over priced. However, you do get a super durable and very versatile optic. Plus it’s the king of NVG shooting. They do make the 512 models which are like half the price of the EXPS series. My friends and I always go back to Eotech, kinda like Glocks, even though we constantly try new stuff 🤷♂️
@@poortac5568 The 512 use AA battery and the battery life is not good. Now the 510c is cheaper and has longer battery life. I'm a fan of EOTECH but I prefer Primary Arms because it has an etched reticle, so if the battery is drained I can still use the scope.
@@musclebymike1382 standard led red dots suck under anything more than 3x magnification. I like etched reticles, but the bodies of LPVO’s are much more fragile than a red dot or eotech.
@@poortac5568 I have one LPVO it's a primary Arms scope but that's a STHF and you have to reach out some distance. Primary Arm do have red dots and prisms, they're no where as big as LVPO's. Have you ever tried a Primary Arms Prism or Red dot.
“Why can’t I find a good manufacturing job in America?”
I had the best handwriting in my third grade class. I guess I found there was no need for improvement. If you look at my penmanship from today vs when I was in 3rd grade it looks exactly the same.
@@Joe_Friday I wrote/write like a left handed person, but no one ever corrected me (since Im right handed) 😂
Here's a neat little tidbit. If you have an astigmatism, a magnifier will eliminate the starbursting you see
@@ZeroRulz0 good to know 👍
It eliminates it somewhat but you could end up with an oval instead of a dot.
Cowitness with the rear iron and all starburst disappears.
I've never heard that. Interesting
I’m like 30 seconds in this video and I can already tell you that you are in fact and experienced with lpvos. No, don’t give me wrong are they less durable than say a T2? Sure. But if you branch out to products not made in china you’ll find what every other combat group has. Lpvos work well in combat. And if you ever get off the range, with the large painted white targets at known distances and start needing the ability to engage, subdued colors partially occluded you’ll find the ability to have a higher magnification with good glass, greatly beneficial. The only time I would ever suggest a Red dot and magnifier would be if you were a, completely untrained or be doing a very particular task and role.
Sir, you’re not smart or informed. Hush and less people will know.
Definitely need to try some good lpvos. You have over a grand with a good eotech and magnifier but ask more out of a cheap lpvo which just won’t happen with the mount alone isn’t built in like a red dot. Cant say all lpvos arnt good when you havnt tried any over 300 bucks. A good lpvo will 100% out preform an eotech magnifier at range from eye box, clarity, and reticle options, otherwise there isn’t a point to the lpvo. If you prefer the eotech mag after using a good lpvo or just admit you’re not willing to spend the money on a good lpvo then that’s different and understandable.
@@dylanwatson8468 I agree that a good LPVO has a lot of advantages, including all the things you mentioned. I just prefer 1x performance and durability over everything else though 👍
These durability claims always make me laugh a little bit. It's like watching Sage Dynamics doing his drop test on pistol dots. It's fun to watch, but it just doesn't make sense to me. When is this durability supposed to come into play?
@@SnapD24 wear a duty belt with a holster that doesnt protect the optic and you will see how often your gun/holster/optic hits stuff. Door frames get hit a lot, not to mention if you have to fight a dude on the ground. Thats where “duty” grade matters. For conceal carry, it’s not as big of a deal, but you can still end up on the ground. Plenty of example videos on that on youtube. Ive seen a lot of high speed dudes smack their rifles on door frames in kill houses, during training.
Eotechs 500 line of optics offers 150% more battery life than the XPS/EXPS line... top rail space in reality isn't an issue.
@@KennyRodgers930 it depends on how much stuff you have on your rail, i suppose. Personally I dont mind changing batteries once or twice a year. If I cant source batteries in that amount of time, Im probably dead, because the world went wrong 😂
@@poortac5568 I mean even if you have a PEQ you have more than enough space. I’ve never seen a serious use rifle have the entire top rail taken up unless it’s a 10.5 or shorter, then I’d understand the shorty. Or if you’re really trying to save on weight, I’d understand the shorty… But if you’re not in either of those camps it’s really a form over function deal, which is fine as long as it’s admitted lol
@@KennyRodgers930 those versions dont have a night vision setting though, which makes them not viable for me personally.
@@poortac5568 They do, 558 & 552
Holosun 510c has a titanium housing and half the price. Shake to wake and better battery life.
@@madride858585 the Holosun reticle looks like trash magnified at 6x. Enclosed emitter is more rugged. It also doesn’t have a bdc reticle. Battery life isnt a big deal. If I cant find batteries for more than a year, while needing my rifle every day, Im already dead. People think their optic needs to last 10 years. They forget that in a scenario where you have no logistics, you will probably die from a lack of basic necessities before ever needing new optic batteries. I do like Holosun products though.
Durability and weight is why on my go to rifle I have an ACOG with a RMR on top. The 3x prism is nice too. The LPVOs just weigh too much for me.
@@andrewemerson347 agreed 👍
lpvo with piggy back or 45 degree red dot is gold. LPVO gives you way better magnification for PID. 3x magnifiers have like a 2 inch eye relief which I hate. To each their own.
6x magnifiers give you even worse eye relief. also i dislike eotech due to very very short battery life.
@@magdumpdaddy the magnifier I suggest is 6x, and it has better eye relief than my LPVOs. I would agree on higher magnification with higher end LPVOs, but the 8x and 10x settings have bad eye relief on cheaper options. I would rather get a higher magnification scope if I wanted to see things better at farther distances. I dont care about battery life honestly. 3 months of constant use is plenty. It not like spare batteries are hard to find. Thanks for watching 😀
@poortac5568 really? I get 4 or more inches eye relief from my vortex 1-6 lpvo. Love lpvo combined with 45 degree offset red dot. I tried that 6x magnifier you have and only had about 2 inches of eye relief
@@magdumpdaddy interesting, maybe it just seemed the same. Other magnifiers Ive used had bad eye relief though. Granted Im usually prone or benched when using the magnifier, so its not a big deal.
@@poortac5568 interesting. thats good to know. maybe they updated the 6x since last time I used one.
So the only reason is durability
@@moderngunguy3666 durability is the first requirement, everything else is still important though. I prefer a red dot/holographic for inside 100 yards.
Alright buddy if you buy quality LPVO they are tough and reliable quit buying the ones from Walmart.
Also the better quality you buy it will be lighter and they weigh the same as red dot with magnification lol do better research man. Holosun magnification is garbage
@@ultraspank8479 I guess I will see, my buddy is buying a NF 1-8x that ill try out
Maybe don’t drop ur rifle. Use a sling.
@@madride858585 accidents happen. I have a sling on all my serious use rifles.
Glass quality is King. A 4X ACOG will be better at PID than a shit 6X magnifier. Because of glass quality alone. Also the 4X ACOG has a substantial edge in field of view. Which makes tracking movement way easier.
I am a fan of LPVO's as well. Mil-Std-810g is the .gov/.mil standard for testing scopes. I know the PA Plx-c has passed that standard. As have the Vortex Razor and NF NX8 and ATACR lines. As well as a plethora of Leupold's. But you are going to pay for that durability.
I look at red dots and EOturds as defensive optics more than something to be used in a field environment. Like Infantry stuff. The SOF Ninja's use them because their mission profile had a lot of over watch included in their mission package. Which meant a lot of dudes outside holding perimeter with magnified optics. Along with belt feds and other force multipliers.
Even the magnifiers from Aimpoint and Eoturd with really good glass are really not that good. In combination with the holo sight or dot.
Everything has it's pros and cons.