@@Samm815 the Dark Angels in general? No. The Inner Circle as a whole? Yeah, probably. However, Azrael is EXTREMELY reasonable though. He recognized that even if Guilliman was there to kill them all that it would be better to accept their fate and remain completely loyal. He's the only Supreme Grand Master that Luther had met who reminded him of the Lion and the pre-heresy legion.
@@Will_Parker I can't wait to see what they do now that their dad showed back up with a bunch of Fallen and orders to forgive any non-chaos corrupted Fallen.
@@Samm815 I mean, they didn't end up doing it, but yeah, when Guiliman showed up with Primaris they almost fired on his ship thinking he was there to kill them all because he'd learned about the Fallen. Azrael told them to stand down, thinking "well if he's here for that reason it means the jig is up anyways and we're screwed no matter what"
I've generally ignored nonsense DA lore like that, it's more of a funny meme than something I take seriously. (though warhammer is super serious and is not ridiculous in any way)
_"Asmodai!"_ _"INTERROGATE?!"_ "Our assumptions are confirmed!" "WHAT?" "They have a suspicious video!" "VIDEO!" "They're in cahoots with the Fallen!" "FALLEN!" "Make them REPENT!" _"REPEEEEEEEEEENT!!!"_
The best thing about the interrogator chaplains is that they actually get chaos space marines to repent and reject chaos. They absolutely do this through torture but the repentance is 100% genuine even though doing this while a chaos god owns your soul is considered the worst idea ever. So it could be said interrogator chaplains are scarier than the chaos gods.
I believe there are some fallen who actually are remorseful, so they were probably easy to deal with other than the death part of the interrogation. Not many, but some legitimately believed they were on the wrong side. Even before Luther escaped the rock, he was known to have been rambling apologetically towards what he had done to the Lion and glorified the idea of his return to forgive him (Or give "justice". I forget which.)
Things Bricky has failed to mention: The attempted temptation of the Lion by Kairos Fateweaver, as close to capital O Omniscient as you can be, only for the greatest Lord of Change ever to realize that the Lion literally could not be offered anything to turn traitor. The Dark Angel's permission slip from the Emperor to use forbidden Dark Age of Technology weapons in their war crime sprees. The Rangdan Xenocides. The fact that the Dark Angels never fully broke their legion apart, instead just loosely connecting command structures to appear separate. They even go so far as to call other "successor" marines brother instead of cousin. Plasma plasma plasma plasma plasma plasma plasma.
I thought he'd mention the black templars, and how the DA obliterated a crusade fleet Battlecruiser, because they captured a black armored marine and wouldn't give him up.
Yeah and the whole Unforgiven thing would probably be pretty obvious from the outside because while Azreal/Head of the Dark Angels is called Supreme Grand Master the chapter masters of the other Unforgiven chapters are called Grand Master, which makes the hierarchy pretty obvious.
Best part of Ezekiel is his servo eye. He got shot by an ork (I'm pretty sure) and lost his eye. He killed that ork, went back to an Apothecarie for a servo eye, jammed that bad boy in, and went back to war. Given multiple opportunities to replace the low resolution, black and white rendering servo eye, he still uses it to honor those he fought with at the battle of [REDACTED].
While some librarians are over the top powerful heroes who can take on the hive mind or overcome the Black Rage (twice) who borderline on Mary Sues, Ezekiel's claim to fame is that he's so mentally unstable that when the other chapter librarians looked into his mind they were disturbed enough by his zeal and power that they just handed over the Chief Librarian role to him.
Even better, he used the servo eye of a Guardsman who died and helped save a group of Guard and refugees, including the wife of the Guardsman, who was injured and died "seeing" her husband save her and their unborn child. That also lead to the Apothecary performing a c-section and delivering a baby.
@@austindow9850 the DA stories where there aren't any Fallen around are the best ones imo, it shows that they really are the best of the best in almost all circumstances.
"I'm sorry, but I do not believe a WORD of this! YOU are working for the Fall-ehh, I mean you have a Hidden Agenda! Only filthy traitors have hidden agendas!"
Both Azrael and The Lion kind of dread the inevitable reckoning that’s sure to happen. Of course The Lion has made it very clear that he has no intention to “forgive” Luther and the other chaos corrupted fallen unless that forgiveness comes on the tip of his blade, but the Unforgiven have a very different view of what makes a Fallen unforgivable. Definitely going to make for a good dramatic tension.
Finally, an episode on Captain Genocide's Merry Gang. In my headcanon, the only way to get introduced into the Inner Circle is by knowing at what speed could a Caliban swallow fly while carrying a coconut.
Love it. I’ve got a proxy chaos spawn in the form of Chernabog. It’s basically a corpse pile with a little cute bunny rabbit sat on top. Some opponents have even let me use it as a proxy summoned demon prince in narrative play.
The Fallen can be split into 3 different categories: One group fell to chaos and turned traitor to the Imperium, one group simply wanted to continue their and just simply secede from the Imperium, and one group didn't really know what the hell was going on.
Fun fact, the rest of the Imperium see the Dark Angels as an amazingly competent fighting force that puts in work and gets shit done, but still hates serving with them because of the Dark Angel's tendency to leave the battle without a single word of explanation and charge off in search of fallen rumors, leaving their there Imperial allies to die horrible deaths. Other notes: DA are well known for their mastery of Plasma weaponry, Alpha Legion LOVE to fuck with them, and they almost went to war with the Inquisition, the Space Wolves, and the Grey Knights, all as separate entities, multiple times
The important thing to note about the Fallen is that it's not just that they fell to chaos, most actually didn't follow chaos, it's not just that they turned traitor, most still thought they followed the Emperor, it's that they were FOOLED into turning traitor. They were the First, the most loyal, the best legion. If it came out that they could be TRICKED into turning traitor it would tarnish them, in their mind, far more than if half had turned to chaos. Still a bit ridiculous but it explains why they're so desperate even though every chapter has a couple of traitors over the course of the last 10k years.
It's also important to remember 2 things, the first is numbers. The book Luther: First of the Fallen puts their number above 30 thousand Astartes, wich is more then the post-heresy Ravenguard, Salamanders, Iron Hands and possibly Imperial Fists combined. Second is that they did not have a primarch after the incident anymore, any discussion on the fate of the Legion would lack their biggest advocate and be decided by the likes of Guilliman and Dorn. The Unforgiven were scared shitless that they would be branded as another Traitor Legion and would be destroyed. And when all the Primarchs were gone and they were on relatively even footing with the other Chapters they were in too deep to reveal what had happened.
I believe most of the Fallens are those raised in Caliban after Luthor was send back there for garrison. Since these marines have never seen Lion and all of their training are from the Fallens, it's no hard for them to just follow their orders. Most of the Fallen officers are not against Imperium, just Lion, which from Imperium's side makes no difference.
They may be the first but they are not and never have been the best. Even You admit that half the legion was tricked. At least the other legions were competent to know they were traitors. Even the word bearers could see chaos for what it is. By far the worst legion. Their only purpose was to destroy what big E needed and they couldn't even get that right. They had the best toys and were out classes by almost everyone else.
The only other loyalist space marines who have degraded as much are probably the Iron Hands. Like, they were starting down the path they were on pre Heresy, with Ferrus even being like "this obsession with becoming cyborgs is going too far. Once the crusade is done I really need to get them to knock it off". Then he died and they went full overboard.
@@isaachaahr8691 its bad when their oldest dreadnaughts are the most human and emotional members of their chapter. Since they remember from before they went full on "Flesh is weak"
@@Woppert I was about to say the same. Then again, wouldn’t that make the White Scars a decent stealth legion as well? People are forgetting about them all the time.
One of the bigger secrets, one which would cause a disaster if it ever became public, is Legion building. Astartes are only supposed to work in forces of around one thousand, but the descendants of the First Legion are all connected by the Inner Circle and all of the Unforgiven are cooperating to hunt the Fallen and are taking orders from their Supreme Grand Master. On one hand, this active disregard of edicts could easily start an Imperial Civil War. On the second hand, there are Inquisitorial forces that are aware of the existence of the Inner Circle and are willing to keep them around in case that Guilliman, Ultramarines and their successors ever fall to Chaos and there is a sudden need for a large, organized force of Astartes.
In regards to Luther and the fallen believing they were being shipped off and abandoned to be killed, let’s not forget that they’ve been part of the great crusade with the emperor, and some dark angels remain from before the reunion with the Lion. They’ve waged a ruthless campaign of genocide with one of the most ruthless primarchs, and the oldest dark angels participated in the discarding and slaughtering of the thunder warriors. They know exactly how cold and absolute the emperor can be, Luther already feels the Lion is aware of his deceit (nuke thing), the warp spaghetti cat is out of the bag, and the horus heresy is the icing on the paranoia cake
The comparison came to mind to explain the dynamic between loyalist and chaos marines: Loyalists are like a guild coordinating to actually clear content Chaos bois are a band of parsers, each looking to individually score higher in the Great Game And here's Dark Angels, achievement hunting
Memes aside, there's this notion that Asmodai might not actually be that successful as an Interrogator. Mostly when interrogating the Fallen, he usually ends up killing them before they can repent, in his drive to earn more Black Pearls. Even the other Dark Angels seems to think that he's crazy and he has been passed over for the position of High-Interrogator by the much more reasonable Sapphon.
The fact he's got fewer Black Pearls than other Interrogator Chaplains AND isn't the Chief Chaplain is the best bit of lore about him. He's basically only tolerated because he's so good at combat and just won't die in battle lol
I know how to defeat the scalpers. You announce a limited release. You release 1/2-1/4 of the run. Then you release the rest. Then you keep a permanent small stock and continue to supply the model at the normal price. Do this several times and scaplers will stop targeting Warhammer products because they're losing money.
@MrSamulai they're not customers they're leeches. The people who buy from them are the customers and they're the ones who need protection. The only people who would get upset if GW started doing this are the scalpers. And no one should care about them.
@@dramsac17 Yes, causing mild inconvenience for wealthy people is very evil and all, but I'm not going to blame a dog for eating a steak that was dropped on the floor on purpose.
Raven Guard are Goth Rock, Dark Angels are thrash metal, Emperor’s Children are hair metal, Blood Angels are Black Metal, Space Wolves are Power Metal, Imperial Fists are industrial metal, White Scars are pure Djent, Night Lords are metal core, Black Legion are Butt Rock. I see Abbadon rocking out to the Shadow the Hedgehog soundtrack
One of my favorite DA anecdotes is when they showed up to the siege of Vraks, wrecked the space port becasue they thought there were Fallen there. They got ambushed by the Alpah Legion and couldn't find any fallen so they just left.
One thing I love about learning about these different loyal chapters is learning how messed up they are to a point where I’m like “how are they not chaos” lmao
@@joshuatheillustrator3672 Angels Vermillion, every 50 years, the ritual of Sorrowing. They take thousands of their homeworld's population and ritually drain them of their blood to be put into a cauldron. They also sacrifice one of their Sanguinar priest as part of the ritual. After all that's done, the blood are store in vials to be distributed to the member of the chapters to be use to stave off Red Thirst and Black Rage. And there's ZERO chaos involvement in all of this. Inquisition and Blood Angels only found out about this when they misappropriate some refugee going to their planet at the Sorrowing. Those refugee as well as well as the Imperial frigates personals are all volunteered into this ritual and the chapter master basically told Dante that he will expose Dark Angels's secret if they tried to stop what has been working for almost 10k.
My favorite bit about the dark angels is the bit where they make a treaty with the Tau. Because the Tau couldn't purge a colony they needed to purge and the dark-angels couldn't purge a successor chapter of their own (and obviously couldn't tell the inquisition because this psyplague was engineered by a chad fallen). So they made a treaty for the dark-angels to kill the Tau civilians and for the Tau to send Mont'ka Kais (read as in firewarrior and Dark Crusade Kais, read as in BLOOD FOR THE BLOODGOD doomguy Kais) in to annihilate the remains of a darkangels successor chapter. The ones tasked with killing the civilians are the new primaris and there's a lot of fucked up dark-angels stuff in there
I love how big of dicks Dark Angels can be, including immediately retreating and leaving their other Space Marine allies from a battle/war if they hear there's Fallen nearby leaving the Ultramarines and others like "Where the heck did they go??? WE'RE DYING HERE!"
The best parts are when it's Cypher they're going after and it later always turns out that them leaving the battlefield to go somewhere else was a good thing so it makes them look like super geniuses rather than paranoid idiots lol
You know after learning more about the Dark Angels and Lion El' Johnson, I'm more surprised that the Black Templars are decedents of Rogal Dorn and successors of the Imperial Fists instead of them.
The Dark Angels joins the Siege of Vraks purely to capture some Alpha Legions who may have information on some Fallens. Needless to said, they did not help out the Inquisition's war against the Heretics and do their own thing.
@@PeteTemplar101 Master Yafrir of Angels of Absolution as well as Supreme Grand Master Azrael lead at least 1 Company strength each to the field. Yafrir was killed by the leader of The Faithless, but that warband was either killed or captured by combined DA chapters. Having achieve their goal, DA chapters leaved the system. As I said, they weren't there to help Inquisition's war against the Heretics.
One thing I personally find interesting is how in the Horus Heresy books it was mentioned somewhere that due to all the convoluted circles upon circles of secrets that the Dark Angels had, they were the one legion that the Alpha Legion couldn't reliably infiltrate. Then you have all the more recent art of the Alpha Legion, which depict them having some kind of impersonation cloaking tech, and without fail they are ALWAYS depicted as shifting from their disguises as Dark Angels. I don't know why the DA were singled out like that, but my headcanon is that the Alphariuses were so butthurt at the fact that they couldn't worm their way into the upper ranks of the Dark Angels legion that they spent a good deal of the next few millennia training and preparing to infiltrate them more than anyone else.
The Firewing where the better infiltrators and where the First than the Alpha Legion. You could say that they use more superior tactics and even better infiltration tactics than the Alpha legion. Heck even the krave had a tough time getting information from the Firewing
@@grayfullbuster1242 I love that scene. The fact that the only reason the Krave couldn’t learn anything was that the particular Dark Angel simply wasn’t in a position or high enough rank to be given such information.
The Dark Angels and the Space Wolves have an interesting rivalry. They have a tradition where anytime their Chapters meet they select a champion each amd have an honour duel before getting on with anything else. The tradition started ever since the Lion and Russ had a fight that one time during the great crusade.
A fun fact that isn't mentioned here. Inner Circle Members as part of their initiation get tortured with the Blades of Reason to proved their strength of will
Tonite on [Redacted] gear: Bricky once more gets [Redacted], Shy [Redacted] lil guys, DK finds Asmodai's [Redacted], Kirioth finds the Greggs secret formula and finally ASMODAI IS COMING FOR YOU HERETIC, AND THOU SHALT REPENT IN THE NAME OF THE...
There needed to be more TTS in this episode. "Azmodai. Make him... repent." "Repent montherfu****!" Azmodai! Interrogate? Our suspicions have been confirmed! What? He has a book! Book! He's in cahoots with the fallen! Fallen! Make him repent! Reepeeeeeeeeeent!
I shouldn't be surprised that DK really likes the old Dark Angels black and red colour scheme considering how much of a Stalker fanboy he was back in ye-olden Warframe days.
As a huge Raven Guard fanboy I have a deep hatred for the Raven Wing for stealing a gimmick we could have had. Also if you cover Raven Guard obviously Corvus and Shrike come up but don’t forget NYKONA SHARROWKYN. The boy is the Space Marine Ryu Hyabusa (Ninja Gaiden) he nearly killed a primarch and killed one of the best swordsmen in the heresy and currently in 40k… and he’s potentially still alive as he’s never been confirmed dead. I want to do a Brutalis custom job but I’m hoping he just shows back up when we get 10th edition codex’s. Raven Guard needs him and the Mor Deythan in 40k. Please GW
Imagine how the Blood Ravens feel, stealing things from other chapters is their gig, bunch of chad magpies. Hell....Blood....RAVENS. They even stole your name 😂
Personally I have a full ravenwing army but eventually wanted to branch out into a different legion so that I could get all the new primaris stuff. Obviously my choice was the Ravenguard and now I have to two raven themed armies :) I see it as a bond between the two rather than competition.
Doing an episode on Cypher and the other Fallen would definitely be good. They had really good rules in 8th Edition, and I was hoping that they would spin-off into their own Legion in 9th, but instead GW went the other direction and axed them. Cypher's still there, which is good. Cypher is quite an interesting guy; the obvious candidate for his identity is Zahariel, but Cypher isn't a psyker, and, pardon the Doylism here, Gav Thorpe said that GW's internal stance on Cypher's identity is that it is as unknown as the Missing Primarchs, because no answer would be satisfying.
Abbadon : *Destroys Cadia and open the great rift* Guilliman : *is ressurected* Abbadon: *Helps Vashtorr to get his mcguffins and deals a blow to the Imperium* The Lion: *Wakes up , redeems the Fallen and banishes Angron* Chaos: " I'm starting to see a pattern and I'm not quite sure I'm liking where this is going"
Or things like the Excindio, at least Corswain for the characters. They did ok when discussing the Hexagrammaton, but I would have gone more in detail with the Dreadwing and Ironwing. Not to mention the way that Hexagrammaton officers could be given direct command over normal officers if their skills were the best suited for the task
I wonder if the alpha legion knows about the fallen and is spreading the rumours to mess with the dark angles unless the dark angles leadership are constantly talking about the fallen with a door open or something
The Alpha Legion absolutely knows about the Fallen. That the reason 2 Unforgiven chapters (Dark Angels and Angels of Absolution) join the Siege of Vraks, not to help out the war effort, but to capture this warband (The Faithless) for some probing.
Considering that the DA were the only legion that the Alpha Legion couldn't effectively infiltrate during the Heresy due to all their secrets BS and the fact that the more recent art of the AL seemingly always shows them "de-cloaking" from holographic Dark Angel disguises, it certainly seems like they have reason to mess with them.
The Deathwing armour colour story is thought to be a lie, since the bone colour on armour was used in the Heresy, and is in lore well before Genestealers were first encountered by the Imperium. The theory is that it's a lie to prep new recruits for the revelation of the fallen, should they ever progress enough through the ranks. A recruiting ground lost to corruption from within is a very good metaphor for Caliban after all.
I like the 30k era reason for bone color armor since it was used to show that the marine had taken a fatal blow (usually while protecting someone else) and lived. So back then, the more bone white your armor was, the more badass you were.
A fun thing to note about the dark angels is the whole secrecy and shame with catholic imagery is a metaphor for their namesake- real world poet Lionel Johnson's most famous work The Dark angel. Its about the shame he felt living as a gay catholic and feeling he was betraying his religion and the secrecy with which he had to live his life because being gay was very much illegal. He was also noted as being a very quiet, brooding, and paranoid person.
I will say Bricky did well to represent why they're so cool. Not much 30k v 40k culture comparison, but for sure see why they're sometimes preferred to Black Templars or something. I even learned a few things!
Question! With all the different factions within the Inquisition; what would happen if one of them walked up to a DA Master, told him "hey, you purgin' heretics, big fan, i got intel on a Fallen, look on planet X"? Neck snap followed by investigation or awkward silence followed by business relationship?
The inquisitor is going into an interrogation cell while the dark angels try to figure out how he knows about the fallen and how many of his acolytes and superiors also know about the fallen.
Depends on the inquisitor honestly, although the inner circle believes in the imperial truth so I doubt they have a high perception of the religious inquisition.
Fun little tidbit: the model of for the ravenwing black knights are riding a big ass online 3 motorcycle which looks like a future version of a Triumph Rocket 3.
Tonite on Ridiculous Gear: Shy screams at the youtube upload which scares and deafens Asmodai, Tedd_zero gets traumatised by Azrael's Superior Boltgun Design, DK deliberately becomes Fallen after lusting for some heretical abs that could act as cheese graters, Bricky starts hoarding all the Lion El'Jonson inside his barely contained forehead and Kirioth is too busy lusting after the new tank rules.
About repenting. Interrogaor-chaplains always interrogate the Fallen with a Librarian scannin Fallen thoughts. SAYING you repent is not enough. Librarian must confirm that you genuinely FEEL repentant. That's why interrogator-chaplain's job is so hard. Just beating someone until he says the needed words would be too easy.
Fun Fact, THE GREY KNIGHTS KNOW ABOUT THE FALLEN... they also don't care. But they also know the Dark Angels care too much and so they don't confront them about it.
@Inquisitor Timotheus Give me a break... Do you have any idea how ashamed Malcador would have been to see your representatives having emotional breakdowns at the sight of Jarl Bjorn's sarcophagus?
@@Man_Emperor_of_Mankind nothing ignights the heart of one of your loyal sons like the battered sarcophagus of one of your angels m'lord. Tis a pit he was awoken for such a shameful endeavor. The lay citizens get tainted from the ruinous powers just by seeing the rift. To think one could be foolish enough to want to relocate civilians exposed to demons themselves. Absolute madness. Just begging for cults and foul mutations
God, DK is going to lose his mind with how edgy the raven guard are. Especially Corvus Corrax, with him being a sentient shadow, obsessed with vengeance. He is so ridiculously edgy and I love it so much
The fallen thinking that they'd be annihilated may not be far off. There were two other Primarchs and their legions were slaughtered by Russ. Also the burning of Prospero, yes Horus intercepted the message, but the Emperor's Executioner didn't even question it.
The Dark Angel's post heresy got their brooding from Lion and their paranoia from Luthor. It is Ironic that they are literally acting and thinking in the same way that Lithor did after his exile to Caliban.
I remember reading in the Imperial Armour books how the Krieg got pissed at the DA cause they showed up to Vraks looking for fallen destroyed a ton, and left without saying a word.
If, when we get to the Space Wolves, we don't mention the Traditional Duel that HAS to take place whenever the DA and SW work together, all because The Lion and Russ fought one time and it was called a draw, I riot.
I feel the rift cannon is somewhat represented well on tabletop. Heavy D3, strength 12. So you would be wounding on 2’s on most infantry units. In addition, it has the rule where if it wounds the target, don’t roll your saving throw, as that unit will instead 3 mortal wounds per successful wound roll.
So the hexagrammaton was crusade and heresy era, the deathwing and ravenwing are the only wings of the hexagrammaton to survive the restructuring of the legion into chapters during the great purge and the subsequent age of the imperium. So when there were all 6 wings, they were all important, but not all of them survived the codex. Also, you completely missed out the orders that exist within the legion alongside the wings, which does add a lot of context to how my bois became the secretive broody mofos they have become. That being said, I understand that you guys try to keep these to a roughly similar time stamp and there's SO MUCH dangels lore to cover, so I get it.
If I had my way, I would have them do a follow up episode to cover the Hexagrammaton in more detail, along with things like the caches of Dark Age equipment they had/still technically have (things like the Excindio and singularity drives), as well as some 30k characters (especially Corswain due to everything he did and how much of a chad he was)
@@Dracobyteat the start of it the Dark Angels were one of if not the biggest Legions at that point (I don’t remember exact numbers but probably around a couple hundred thousand). The war was so bad and brutal that everyone involved took massive casualties (the Dark Angels got the worst of it and lost 90% of their strength).
From what I remember, alot of Space marine chapters really don't like the dark angels because they tend to leave the battlefield for no reason. Which basically means, theres a fallen near the area, send everything to find them.
Yknow what time it is? Bonus lore! The dreadwing during the great crusade, along with the rest of the legion, were trusted to the point of being given rare and unique technologies to try out in combat, varying from 40k's own type of Napalm to flat out AI constructs (giving killswitches and such, of course)
The 1st Legion was literally capable of causing another Old Night if needed. All the other Legions can have their moments, but we are the ones who will do what no one else will.
My favorite bit of lore is that a fallen had destroyed some soul stones of an Eldar Craftworld. They captured the fallen alive and decided to roll up to the rock and hand him over, because the far seer had seen that the dark angels would inflict more pain on the fallen than the Eldar could.
I get that there are so many characters and other things to mention, but I would have loved to hear Bricky talk about things like Corswain and the Excindio
Me: “Hey DK, want to hear about the time the Lion just said fuck it and deployed 12 lobotomized Men of Iron and used them to annihilate a planet of Mechancicum?” DK: “I’m sorry, WHAT!!!!” Me: “Oh, and when I say he used these 12, I mean it was just those 12 and him. By the end of it all, 5 were destroyed with the rest still barely operational.”
21:10 Technically you can't even play Fallen _at all_ now. The unit was removed from the 9th ed CSM codex. There's only Cypher left. Even using the 8th ed codex, though, Fallen were barely an army. They had rules in White Dwarf (which were merely reprinted and slightly edited from an earlier publication at that), and their Fallen detachment only had something like 5 datasheets you could legally include. None of them Troops. So it was mathematically impossible to run a Fallen army at 2000 pts, unless you had allies (which defeats the purpose). The Rule of Three stops you from adding enough units to the army before you get anywhere close, even if you load up on every upgrade you could. I started painting a Fallen army half _out of spite_ when I learned how thoroughly GW shafted them. I run them as Dark Angels, which fits my army's narrative better anyway. No Chaos, just Mad About Caliban.
GW did the fallen dirty and it sucks, because the whole DA faction (From loyalist to renegade and chaos aligned) suffers due to the bare bones nature of the current Fallen, on the tabletop and even in the lore to a degree.
@@Hikurangi911 Like, you'd think a faction that is as important to another faction's backstory and current narrative - to the point the latter effectively revolves around the former - would be playable on tabletop. And yet, the Fallen were barely playable, and then ceased to be playable in any sense. It would be like if the Eldar had the same long-standing beef with Slaanesh, but you couldn't play Slaanesh _anything_ on the tabletop. No Emperor's Children, no Slaaneshi Daemons, nothing. Or maybe you'd have exactly one Slaanesh Daemons unit, to be played in another Chaos army, that breaks army construction rules, and that you had to field using a kit otherwise dedicated to one of the other Chaos gods. And then an edition changes, and suddenly even that unit is removed from the rules. Yet Slaanesh continues to be a setting element. That would be an insane way of doing things, right? And yet, here we are with the Fallen.
@@Bluecho4 To make it worse there are barely any notable chaos fallen either, cypher is a "good" guy (possibly Corswain or Zahariel) and luther is seemingly repentant, other than that you might have Marbas or Merir Astelan or some other random fallen.
"Oh, I didnt know this was a joined opperation with the Raven Guard and the White Scars?" "It isn't, Brother from the Ravenwing. This is something personal..."
It is funny to me that the Dark Angles have their entire thing be "doing the same as everyone else, just better": Their terminators are better, their plasma weapons are better, they have access to the most dark age tech out of any chapter, their knights are more knightly than the Black Templars, their bikers are better than the White Scars, they not only stole the Raven Guard's naming convention but also their deal of being sneaky... Anything you can do, the Dangles do better.
*Dreadwing watching Death Guard and Night Lords use chemical weapons and causing utter terror* Dreadwing: “Just remember who taught you this in the first place”
I just finished listening to the Lion video, and it got me thinking. What about a fun one off episode where you guys pick your favorite moments for each primarch, and talk about it. It could be cool things they did, awesome things they said, amazing battles. There’s options.
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This Episode is basically DK and me becoming Dank Angels SIMPS.
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black templars aren't watered down sisters of battle, they're discount sisters. But I am a fan of Dorn's disowned sons and you are still right.
"Loyalists don't have any sneaky legions."
Man, Raven Guard have been getting shafted this whole episode.
OR
They're too sneaky for them.
Correy Corax is just too sneaky for the ridiculous fellas.
If the Nightlords are considered "sneaky", then surely the Carcharodons can be too.
White scars fan sitting here coping thinking about the Raven wing dude with the jet bike. Beating both the sneaky and fast legions at they job.
@@misplacedodstThe Carcharodons are all about ambush and shock tactics, so I'd count that
Just remember, the Dark Angels legitimately considered trying to kill Guiliman since they were afraid he'd found out about the Fallen
Are they that far gone?
@@Samm815 the Dark Angels in general? No. The Inner Circle as a whole? Yeah, probably. However, Azrael is EXTREMELY reasonable though. He recognized that even if Guilliman was there to kill them all that it would be better to accept their fate and remain completely loyal. He's the only Supreme Grand Master that Luther had met who reminded him of the Lion and the pre-heresy legion.
@@Will_Parker I can't wait to see what they do now that their dad showed back up with a bunch of Fallen and orders to forgive any non-chaos corrupted Fallen.
@@Samm815 I mean, they didn't end up doing it, but yeah, when Guiliman showed up with Primaris they almost fired on his ship thinking he was there to kill them all because he'd learned about the Fallen. Azrael told them to stand down, thinking "well if he's here for that reason it means the jig is up anyways and we're screwed no matter what"
I've generally ignored nonsense DA lore like that, it's more of a funny meme than something I take seriously. (though warhammer is super serious and is not ridiculous in any way)
_"Asmodai!"_
_"INTERROGATE?!"_
"Our assumptions are confirmed!"
"WHAT?"
"They have a suspicious video!"
"VIDEO!"
"They're in cahoots with the Fallen!"
"FALLEN!"
"Make them REPENT!"
_"REPEEEEEEEEEENT!!!"_
*REPEEEEEEEEEEENT*!!
REPEEEEEEEEENT!!!
I could hear this in their TTS voices.
I'm hearing this in the Dalek voice. FALLEN! FALLLEN! REPENT!
@@VerbenaComfrey That is amusing, though if you haven't seen If The Emperor Had A Text To Speech Device yet, it is very recommended.
The dark angels are a fraternity that killed a pledge during rush week and are hunting down the people who might tell the dean.
Literally, the reason Falen rebelled and why the Dark Angels are after them.
Sounds like a good premise for a horror movie
@@silverbolt67 Instead of Jason its a 2 ton, 7 ft tall man screaming "REPENT!" while sprinting at you through the woods.
The best thing about the interrogator chaplains is that they actually get chaos space marines to repent and reject chaos. They absolutely do this through torture but the repentance is 100% genuine even though doing this while a chaos god owns your soul is considered the worst idea ever. So it could be said interrogator chaplains are scarier than the chaos gods.
For World Eaters, the interrigator chaplains just threaten to call Lotarra Sarrin and say that world eater was talking $hit.
I believe there are some fallen who actually are remorseful, so they were probably easy to deal with other than the death part of the interrogation. Not many, but some legitimately believed they were on the wrong side. Even before Luther escaped the rock, he was known to have been rambling apologetically towards what he had done to the Lion and glorified the idea of his return to forgive him (Or give "justice". I forget which.)
Wonder how Emperors Children would handle it.
@@cousinzeke4888 Just shove em in a sensory deprivation tank.
I guess Azmodai just isn't all that scary then :P
Edit: because he always kills people before they can even repent
Things Bricky has failed to mention:
The attempted temptation of the Lion by Kairos Fateweaver, as close to capital O Omniscient as you can be, only for the greatest Lord of Change ever to realize that the Lion literally could not be offered anything to turn traitor.
The Dark Angel's permission slip from the Emperor to use forbidden Dark Age of Technology weapons in their war crime sprees.
The Rangdan Xenocides.
The fact that the Dark Angels never fully broke their legion apart, instead just loosely connecting command structures to appear separate. They even go so far as to call other "successor" marines brother instead of cousin.
Plasma plasma plasma plasma plasma plasma plasma.
What’s the deal with Tuchulcha? Why do they have a magic boy locked in their basement?
You forgot Cypher
I thought he'd mention the black templars, and how the DA obliterated a crusade fleet Battlecruiser, because they captured a black armored marine and wouldn't give him up.
Seriously, the DA legion had a couple enslaved Men of Iron lying around. How did that not get mentioned?
Yeah and the whole Unforgiven thing would probably be pretty obvious from the outside because while Azreal/Head of the Dark Angels is called Supreme Grand Master the chapter masters of the other Unforgiven chapters are called Grand Master, which makes the hierarchy pretty obvious.
Best part of Ezekiel is his servo eye. He got shot by an ork (I'm pretty sure) and lost his eye. He killed that ork, went back to an Apothecarie for a servo eye, jammed that bad boy in, and went back to war. Given multiple opportunities to replace the low resolution, black and white rendering servo eye, he still uses it to honor those he fought with at the battle of [REDACTED].
That is now my favourite thing about him what a bro
While some librarians are over the top powerful heroes who can take on the hive mind or overcome the Black Rage (twice) who borderline on Mary Sues, Ezekiel's claim to fame is that he's so mentally unstable that when the other chapter librarians looked into his mind they were disturbed enough by his zeal and power that they just handed over the Chief Librarian role to him.
Even better, he used the servo eye of a Guardsman who died and helped save a group of Guard and refugees, including the wife of the Guardsman, who was injured and died "seeing" her husband save her and their unborn child. That also lead to the Apothecary performing a c-section and delivering a baby.
@@austindow9850 the DA stories where there aren't any Fallen around are the best ones imo, it shows that they really are the best of the best in almost all circumstances.
@@Will_Parker The other Librarians looked into his mind, Saw the Lion depicted as a cat girl, and just immedietly ran out the door XD
I wanna see Azrael have a fit over the fallen being forgiven 😂
"I'm sorry, but I do not believe a WORD of this! YOU are working for the Fall-ehh, I mean you have a Hidden Agenda! Only filthy traitors have hidden agendas!"
ASMODAI!!!!!!
AHH, I see someone beat me to it..if anyones gonna go spare over the fallen it WILL be Asmodai
Both Azrael and The Lion kind of dread the inevitable reckoning that’s sure to happen. Of course The Lion has made it very clear that he has no intention to “forgive” Luther and the other chaos corrupted fallen unless that forgiveness comes on the tip of his blade, but the Unforgiven have a very different view of what makes a Fallen unforgivable. Definitely going to make for a good dramatic tension.
I would want to see Asmodai's reaction
Finally, an episode on Captain Genocide's Merry Gang.
In my headcanon, the only way to get introduced into the Inner Circle is by knowing at what speed could a Caliban swallow fly while carrying a coconut.
What kind of Caliban Swallow, four eyed or six eyed?
Some call the interogator chaplain...Tim.
@@misplacedodst what? I don't know that... AAAAAA
*sucked into the warp*
@@sethkeown5965 Someone rang? Anyone in need of... a chat?
Love it. I’ve got a proxy chaos spawn in the form of Chernabog. It’s basically a corpse pile with a little cute bunny rabbit sat on top. Some opponents have even let me use it as a proxy summoned demon prince in narrative play.
The Fallen can be split into 3 different categories: One group fell to chaos and turned traitor to the Imperium, one group simply wanted to continue their and just simply secede from the Imperium, and one group didn't really know what the hell was going on.
Some were even still loyal to the Imperium, just not the Lion.
Fun fact, the rest of the Imperium see the Dark Angels as an amazingly competent fighting force that puts in work and gets shit done, but still hates serving with them because of the Dark Angel's tendency to leave the battle without a single word of explanation and charge off in search of fallen rumors, leaving their there Imperial allies to die horrible deaths.
Other notes: DA are well known for their mastery of Plasma weaponry, Alpha Legion LOVE to fuck with them, and they almost went to war with the Inquisition, the Space Wolves, and the Grey Knights, all as separate entities, multiple times
In a classic Dark Angel fashion, the first video was taken down for unknown reasons as if 'redirected' was mentioned.
I can be youre agnel
or yore debil
@Captain Cornflake I don't know. Sounds like you're more of an Emperor's Children, and we all know they do weird things.
The important thing to note about the Fallen is that it's not just that they fell to chaos, most actually didn't follow chaos, it's not just that they turned traitor, most still thought they followed the Emperor, it's that they were FOOLED into turning traitor. They were the First, the most loyal, the best legion. If it came out that they could be TRICKED into turning traitor it would tarnish them, in their mind, far more than if half had turned to chaos. Still a bit ridiculous but it explains why they're so desperate even though every chapter has a couple of traitors over the course of the last 10k years.
It's also important to remember 2 things, the first is numbers. The book Luther: First of the Fallen puts their number above 30 thousand Astartes, wich is more then the post-heresy Ravenguard, Salamanders, Iron Hands and possibly Imperial Fists combined. Second is that they did not have a primarch after the incident anymore, any discussion on the fate of the Legion would lack their biggest advocate and be decided by the likes of Guilliman and Dorn. The Unforgiven were scared shitless that they would be branded as another Traitor Legion and would be destroyed. And when all the Primarchs were gone and they were on relatively even footing with the other Chapters they were in too deep to reveal what had happened.
@@larsdewit6521 Not Imperial Fists IIRC. The Imperial Fists were coming out second place in numbers until the Iron Cage, which was post-Heresy.
I believe most of the Fallens are those raised in Caliban after Luthor was send back there for garrison. Since these marines have never seen Lion and all of their training are from the Fallens, it's no hard for them to just follow their orders. Most of the Fallen officers are not against Imperium, just Lion, which from Imperium's side makes no difference.
They may be the first but they are not and never have been the best. Even You admit that half the legion was tricked. At least the other legions were competent to know they were traitors. Even the word bearers could see chaos for what it is. By far the worst legion. Their only purpose was to destroy what big E needed and they couldn't even get that right. They had the best toys and were out classes by almost everyone else.
The only other loyalist space marines who have degraded as much are probably the Iron Hands. Like, they were starting down the path they were on pre Heresy, with Ferrus even being like "this obsession with becoming cyborgs is going too far. Once the crusade is done I really need to get them to knock it off". Then he died and they went full overboard.
Depression hit the iron hands very hard.
@@isaachaahr8691 its bad when their oldest dreadnaughts are the most human and emotional members of their chapter. Since they remember from before they went full on "Flesh is weak"
@@thewerdna You know the bionics obsession has gotten bad when the coffin in a mech suit is the fleshiest guy in the room.
Dark angels and iron hands are my favorite chapters oddly enough
“The loyalists don’t have any sneaky legions” cries in Raven Guard
That s just how sneaky they are...
@@Woppert I was about to say the same. Then again, wouldn’t that make the White Scars a decent stealth legion as well? People are forgetting about them all the time.
Dark Angels fans certainly understand the pain felt by the Salamanders players when people bring up the Eldar child.
Yup.
Similar to the pain Eldar fans feel when almost anything in their lore is mentioned
So it is a burning sensation?
@@jacobfreeman5444 Did you have to do that?
@@jacobfreeman5444 okay i'll give you that one; it was funny. But people don't realize that the eldar was caught in the crossfire, not the target.
One of the bigger secrets, one which would cause a disaster if it ever became public, is Legion building. Astartes are only supposed to work in forces of around one thousand, but the descendants of the First Legion are all connected by the Inner Circle and all of the Unforgiven are cooperating to hunt the Fallen and are taking orders from their Supreme Grand Master.
On one hand, this active disregard of edicts could easily start an Imperial Civil War.
On the second hand, there are Inquisitorial forces that are aware of the existence of the Inner Circle and are willing to keep them around in case that Guilliman, Ultramarines and their successors ever fall to Chaos and there is a sudden need for a large, organized force of Astartes.
*Blood Angels, Black Templar and Iron fists chapters enter the chat*
"Black Templars are watered down Sisters of battle"
Instant like and favorite.
In regards to Luther and the fallen believing they were being shipped off and abandoned to be killed, let’s not forget that they’ve been part of the great crusade with the emperor, and some dark angels remain from before the reunion with the Lion. They’ve waged a ruthless campaign of genocide with one of the most ruthless primarchs, and the oldest dark angels participated in the discarding and slaughtering of the thunder warriors. They know exactly how cold and absolute the emperor can be, Luther already feels the Lion is aware of his deceit (nuke thing), the warp spaghetti cat is out of the bag, and the horus heresy is the icing on the paranoia cake
Plus it's not like they were the first Space Marines considered for purging, nevermind whatever the hell happened to the 2nd and 11th.
The comparison came to mind to explain the dynamic between loyalist and chaos marines:
Loyalists are like a guild coordinating to actually clear content
Chaos bois are a band of parsers, each looking to individually score higher in the Great Game
And here's Dark Angels, achievement hunting
Memes aside, there's this notion that Asmodai might not actually be that successful as an Interrogator. Mostly when interrogating the Fallen, he usually ends up killing them before they can repent, in his drive to earn more Black Pearls. Even the other Dark Angels seems to think that he's crazy and he has been passed over for the position of High-Interrogator by the much more reasonable Sapphon.
And Sapphon doesn't go to battle because he does not want Asmodai to take his position, so he'd rather make sure he lives longer than Asmodai.
The fact he's got fewer Black Pearls than other Interrogator Chaplains AND isn't the Chief Chaplain is the best bit of lore about him. He's basically only tolerated because he's so good at combat and just won't die in battle lol
@@Will_Parker He's got nothing special about him aside from the fact that he's fucking insane.
_You _*_KNOW_*_ that to [Asmodai's] ears, "make them repent" is the same as "murder them violently."_
@@HeIsAnAli"They can repent from the warp."
REPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENT:
Asmodai before giving the Fabricator General the most holiest Bonk since the Great Crusade.
I know how to defeat the scalpers.
You announce a limited release. You release 1/2-1/4 of the run. Then you release the rest. Then you keep a permanent small stock and continue to supply the model at the normal price.
Do this several times and scaplers will stop targeting Warhammer products because they're losing money.
Or just announce more will be made on demand.
@MrSamulai sure. But if you get them to crush themselves financially, they're less likely to come back and try again on the next release.
@@dramsac17 You got to protect your customers from themselves. Even if they're scalpers.
@MrSamulai they're not customers they're leeches. The people who buy from them are the customers and they're the ones who need protection. The only people who would get upset if GW started doing this are the scalpers. And no one should care about them.
@@dramsac17 Yes, causing mild inconvenience for wealthy people is very evil and all, but I'm not going to blame a dog for eating a steak that was dropped on the floor on purpose.
Raven Guard are Goth Rock, Dark Angels are thrash metal, Emperor’s Children are hair metal, Blood Angels are Black Metal, Space Wolves are Power Metal, Imperial Fists are industrial metal, White Scars are pure Djent, Night Lords are metal core, Black Legion are Butt Rock. I see Abbadon rocking out to the Shadow the Hedgehog soundtrack
the nightlords could also be death metal given their serial killer/terrorist vibe sometimes, world eaters would be beatdown or powerviolence for sure
What are black templars
@@Asterion_Mol0c Gay
@@NeonKnight83 why
@@NeonKnight83 says the guy with the probably blood angel guy
I’m shocked that bricky mentioned the watchers and DK didn’t ask about them, it’s a big meme that there are just xenos that hang with the DA
They talked about them in one of the xenos episodes I'm pretty sure
@@SirDinoz they mention the watchers there yes, forgot they did that
One of my favorite DA anecdotes is when they showed up to the siege of Vraks, wrecked the space port becasue they thought there were Fallen there. They got ambushed by the Alpah Legion and couldn't find any fallen so they just left.
One thing I love about learning about these different loyal chapters is learning how messed up they are to a point where I’m like “how are they not chaos” lmao
Wait until you read up on some of BA successors practice to stave off Black Rage. Hell one in them Angels Vermillion is most definitely heretical.
@@dyingearth yeah the flesh eaters…. So normal and loyal I’m sure they are one hella cool loyalists
@@joshuatheillustrator3672 Angels Vermillion, every 50 years, the ritual of Sorrowing. They take thousands of their homeworld's population and ritually drain them of their blood to be put into a cauldron. They also sacrifice one of their Sanguinar priest as part of the ritual. After all that's done, the blood are store in vials to be distributed to the member of the chapters to be use to stave off Red Thirst and Black Rage. And there's ZERO chaos involvement in all of this. Inquisition and Blood Angels only found out about this when they misappropriate some refugee going to their planet at the Sorrowing. Those refugee as well as well as the Imperial frigates personals are all volunteered into this ritual and the chapter master basically told Dante that he will expose Dark Angels's secret if they tried to stop what has been working for almost 10k.
@@dyingearth Ridiculously on the nose in some cases, freakin Blood Drinkers.
My favorite bit about the dark angels is the bit where they make a treaty with the Tau. Because the Tau couldn't purge a colony they needed to purge and the dark-angels couldn't purge a successor chapter of their own (and obviously couldn't tell the inquisition because this psyplague was engineered by a chad fallen). So they made a treaty for the dark-angels to kill the Tau civilians and for the Tau to send Mont'ka Kais (read as in firewarrior and Dark Crusade Kais, read as in BLOOD FOR THE BLOODGOD doomguy Kais) in to annihilate the remains of a darkangels successor chapter. The ones tasked with killing the civilians are the new primaris and there's a lot of fucked up dark-angels stuff in there
War of Secrets ?
I just finish war of secrets!
Oh shit, Shas'O Kais of Dark Crusade is the same as the Fire Warrior Protag Guy? Nifty!
I love how big of dicks Dark Angels can be, including immediately retreating and leaving their other Space Marine allies from a battle/war if they hear there's Fallen nearby leaving the Ultramarines and others like "Where the heck did they go??? WE'RE DYING HERE!"
Funniest bit of DA+UM lore, because the Ultramarines filed a formal complain to terra about the DA after that
Eh they're ultramarines. They'll be fineee
Yeah, the dark angels actually have a really bad reputation for being dishonorable xD
The best parts are when it's Cypher they're going after and it later always turns out that them leaving the battlefield to go somewhere else was a good thing so it makes them look like super geniuses rather than paranoid idiots lol
@@Will_Parker Cypher is as mysterious as the fucking Alpha Legion at this point.
You know after learning more about the Dark Angels and Lion El' Johnson, I'm more surprised that the Black Templars are decedents of Rogal Dorn and successors of the Imperial Fists instead of them.
It's wild that even after so many episodes, Bricky's forehead still be the largest thing on his model 😎
The Dark Angels joins the Siege of Vraks purely to capture some Alpha Legions who may have information on some Fallens. Needless to said, they did not help out the Inquisition's war against the Heretics and do their own thing.
It was also rumored that some of the Fallen were IN the Alpha Legion warband.
Didn't they send one of their successors during the final year of the Siege to honour their commitment to that conflict?
@@PeteTemplar101 Master Yafrir of Angels of Absolution as well as Supreme Grand Master Azrael lead at least 1 Company strength each to the field. Yafrir was killed by the leader of The Faithless, but that warband was either killed or captured by combined DA chapters. Having achieve their goal, DA chapters leaved the system. As I said, they weren't there to help Inquisition's war against the Heretics.
Didn't they blew up a spaceport or was it a bridge that could've been used by the DkoK
Sound about right for dark angel, it's no wonder no one likes them
One thing I personally find interesting is how in the Horus Heresy books it was mentioned somewhere that due to all the convoluted circles upon circles of secrets that the Dark Angels had, they were the one legion that the Alpha Legion couldn't reliably infiltrate.
Then you have all the more recent art of the Alpha Legion, which depict them having some kind of impersonation cloaking tech, and without fail they are ALWAYS depicted as shifting from their disguises as Dark Angels. I don't know why the DA were singled out like that, but my headcanon is that the Alphariuses were so butthurt at the fact that they couldn't worm their way into the upper ranks of the Dark Angels legion that they spent a good deal of the next few millennia training and preparing to infiltrate them more than anyone else.
The Firewing where the better infiltrators and where the First than the Alpha Legion. You could say that they use more superior tactics and even better infiltration tactics than the Alpha legion.
Heck even the krave had a tough time getting information from the Firewing
@@grayfullbuster1242 I love that scene. The fact that the only reason the Krave couldn’t learn anything was that the particular Dark Angel simply wasn’t in a position or high enough rank to be given such information.
It's because the DA is the only legion that has more secrets than the Alpha legion.
The Lions approached battle the same way Deadpools inner voice does “fuck math just use all of it” “ I wanna see the boom from orbit”
The Dark Angels and the Space Wolves have an interesting rivalry. They have a tradition where anytime their Chapters meet they select a champion each amd have an honour duel before getting on with anything else. The tradition started ever since the Lion and Russ had a fight that one time during the great crusade.
All over a misunderstanding from 2 savages.
"Here's something edgy; the chief librarian of the Dark Angel carries with him...
*Ad starts* Tooth Decay?"
Gotta love the timings they chose.
A fun fact that isn't mentioned here.
Inner Circle Members as part of their initiation get tortured with the Blades of Reason to proved their strength of will
He has a suspicious book! Make him repent!!
REPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENT!!!
Tonite on [Redacted] gear: Bricky once more gets [Redacted], Shy [Redacted] lil guys, DK finds Asmodai's [Redacted], Kirioth finds the Greggs secret formula and finally ASMODAI IS COMING FOR YOU HERETIC, AND THOU SHALT REPENT IN THE NAME OF THE...
FARIS MY FRIEND IS DOING IT AGAIN!!!
He’s just a lil guy
REPENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNT
@@ernesielta no u
*INTERROGATE?!?!?!*
There needed to be more TTS in this episode.
"Azmodai. Make him... repent."
"Repent montherfu****!"
Azmodai!
Interrogate?
Our suspicions have been confirmed!
What?
He has a book!
Book!
He's in cahoots with the fallen!
Fallen!
Make him repent!
Reepeeeeeeeeeent!
"Help me Brutha, I've fallen and I can't get up!"
"FALLEN?! MAKE THEM REPENT ASMODAI!"
I shouldn't be surprised that DK really likes the old Dark Angels black and red colour scheme considering how much of a Stalker fanboy he was back in ye-olden Warframe days.
As a huge Raven Guard fanboy I have a deep hatred for the Raven Wing for stealing a gimmick we could have had. Also if you cover Raven Guard obviously Corvus and Shrike come up but don’t forget NYKONA SHARROWKYN. The boy is the Space Marine Ryu Hyabusa (Ninja Gaiden) he nearly killed a primarch and killed one of the best swordsmen in the heresy and currently in 40k… and he’s potentially still alive as he’s never been confirmed dead. I want to do a Brutalis custom job but I’m hoping he just shows back up when we get 10th edition codex’s. Raven Guard needs him and the Mor Deythan in 40k. Please GW
Imagine how the Blood Ravens feel, stealing things from other chapters is their gig, bunch of chad magpies. Hell....Blood....RAVENS. They even stole your name 😂
For their lore, I wanted to build a Raven guard army next, but the lack of exclusive model for them kinda stopped me :(
Imagine if the Raven Guard got current Corvus Corax again. That would be amazing
He should be so OP. He sniped fulgrim nearly killing him AND literally killed lucius the eternal before he was eternal.
Personally I have a full ravenwing army but eventually wanted to branch out into a different legion so that I could get all the new primaris stuff. Obviously my choice was the Ravenguard and now I have to two raven themed armies :)
I see it as a bond between the two rather than competition.
Y'all better do an entire episode on Cypher, Luther and the Fallen next week. Cypher is too good to not get a spotlight.
Didn't they already do an episode on Alpharius? Why would they do another one?
@@dudemcfurgusson7179 High five, Dude.
Yeah, why was he not mentioned? 😮
Doing an episode on Cypher and the other Fallen would definitely be good. They had really good rules in 8th Edition, and I was hoping that they would spin-off into their own Legion in 9th, but instead GW went the other direction and axed them. Cypher's still there, which is good.
Cypher is quite an interesting guy; the obvious candidate for his identity is Zahariel, but Cypher isn't a psyker, and, pardon the Doylism here, Gav Thorpe said that GW's internal stance on Cypher's identity is that it is as unknown as the Missing Primarchs, because no answer would be satisfying.
Here we go again... Rylanor my old frieend...
Abbadon : *Destroys Cadia and open the great rift*
Guilliman : *is ressurected*
Abbadon: *Helps Vashtorr to get his mcguffins and deals a blow to the Imperium*
The Lion: *Wakes up , redeems the Fallen and banishes Angron*
Chaos: " I'm starting to see a pattern and I'm not quite sure I'm liking where this is going"
I'm so sad they didn't talk about the guns in the Dreadwing vault that vaporize the body, mind, soul, and memory of anyone that they hit.
Or things like the Excindio, at least Corswain for the characters. They did ok when discussing the Hexagrammaton, but I would have gone more in detail with the Dreadwing and Ironwing. Not to mention the way that Hexagrammaton officers could be given direct command over normal officers if their skills were the best suited for the task
I wonder if the alpha legion knows about the fallen and is spreading the rumours to mess with the dark angles unless the dark angles leadership are constantly talking about the fallen with a door open or something
Without question the thief is an alpha legion cell that trolls the dark angels by dropping hints about fallen.
The Alpha Legion absolutely knows about the Fallen. That the reason 2 Unforgiven chapters (Dark Angels and Angels of Absolution) join the Siege of Vraks, not to help out the war effort, but to capture this warband (The Faithless) for some probing.
Considering that the DA were the only legion that the Alpha Legion couldn't effectively infiltrate during the Heresy due to all their secrets BS and the fact that the more recent art of the AL seemingly always shows them "de-cloaking" from holographic Dark Angel disguises, it certainly seems like they have reason to mess with them.
You better believe it.
A fair few chaos fallen have joined warbands so I'm sure the Fallen arn't as big a secret as the Dark Angles would like them to be.
The Deathwing armour colour story is thought to be a lie, since the bone colour on armour was used in the Heresy, and is in lore well before Genestealers were first encountered by the Imperium.
The theory is that it's a lie to prep new recruits for the revelation of the fallen, should they ever progress enough through the ranks. A recruiting ground lost to corruption from within is a very good metaphor for Caliban after all.
I like the 30k era reason for bone color armor since it was used to show that the marine had taken a fatal blow (usually while protecting someone else) and lived.
So back then, the more bone white your armor was, the more badass you were.
43:00 that was straight up mean,now my iron hands are all sad and weeping about their inexistance in lore after the heresy ended
A fun thing to note about the dark angels is the whole secrecy and shame with catholic imagery is a metaphor for their namesake- real world poet Lionel Johnson's most famous work The Dark angel.
Its about the shame he felt living as a gay catholic and feeling he was betraying his religion and the secrecy with which he had to live his life because being gay was very much illegal. He was also noted as being a very quiet, brooding, and paranoid person.
I will say Bricky did well to represent why they're so cool. Not much 30k v 40k culture comparison, but for sure see why they're sometimes preferred to Black Templars or something. I even learned a few things!
Dark Angels are the power metal army. Also the wings on the ravenwing bikes is actually based on the polish winged hussars.
In a universe where Ultramarines exist the forehead really said "dark angels might have the most stories out of the loyalist factions"
I can't wait for a space wolf to challenge the Lion to a fight
SAME
Question!
With all the different factions within the Inquisition; what would happen if one of them walked up to a DA Master, told him "hey, you purgin' heretics, big fan, i got intel on a Fallen, look on planet X"? Neck snap followed by investigation or awkward silence followed by business relationship?
The inquisitor is going into an interrogation cell while the dark angels try to figure out how he knows about the fallen and how many of his acolytes and superiors also know about the fallen.
Pretty sure that's been answered canonicly, **BLAM** followed by being rendered into corpse starch for the Inquisitor.
Depends on the inquisitor honestly, although the inner circle believes in the imperial truth so I doubt they have a high perception of the religious inquisition.
Fun little tidbit: the model of for the ravenwing black knights are riding a big ass online 3 motorcycle which looks like a future version of a Triumph Rocket 3.
Tonite on Ridiculous Gear: Shy screams at the youtube upload which scares and deafens Asmodai, Tedd_zero gets traumatised by Azrael's Superior Boltgun Design, DK deliberately becomes Fallen after lusting for some heretical abs that could act as cheese graters, Bricky starts hoarding all the Lion El'Jonson inside his barely contained forehead and Kirioth is too busy lusting after the new tank rules.
No little guy watchers?
@@khylerbane4523 I used up my monthly little guy jokes. I only get one per month
Thank you for your efforts!!!
About repenting. Interrogaor-chaplains always interrogate the Fallen with a Librarian scannin Fallen thoughts. SAYING you repent is not enough. Librarian must confirm that you genuinely FEEL repentant. That's why interrogator-chaplain's job is so hard. Just beating someone until he says the needed words would be too easy.
Bricky still being the best ad guy in my feed is a sign of class of this channel
Luther pulls off paranoid mental gymnastics, DK is somehow surprised
And they say the Blood Ravens steal stuff, meanwhile our boy Corvus is getting dunked on
If your gonna give Lorgar a new accent it should be a southern preacher accent.
Just throwing this out here, but I would really like to see a Space Wolves/Grey Knights Months of Shame episode
Yes those months were extremely shameful for those traitorous space wolves. They're lucky not to be declared excommunicatus traitoris
Fun Fact, THE GREY KNIGHTS KNOW ABOUT THE FALLEN... they also don't care. But they also know the Dark Angels care too much and so they don't confront them about it.
@Inquisitor Timotheus
Give me a break... Do you have any idea how ashamed Malcador would have been to see your representatives having emotional breakdowns at the sight of Jarl Bjorn's sarcophagus?
@@Man_Emperor_of_Mankind nothing ignights the heart of one of your loyal sons like the battered sarcophagus of one of your angels m'lord. Tis a pit he was awoken for such a shameful endeavor. The lay citizens get tainted from the ruinous powers just by seeing the rift. To think one could be foolish enough to want to relocate civilians exposed to demons themselves. Absolute madness. Just begging for cults and foul mutations
God, DK is going to lose his mind with how edgy the raven guard are. Especially Corvus Corrax, with him being a sentient shadow, obsessed with vengeance. He is so ridiculously edgy and I love it so much
This makes me think "We gotta get someone to rp a dark angel in Space Engineers rp"
four comments in seven hours tells me we have a chance in season 4
immediate edit: does space engineers work on a win10potatodesktop
Kinda sad now that my only exposure to the Dark Angels before this was TTS's main scene of "REPENT MOTHERFVCKER!!"
I’m kinda sad we didn’t get to hear about the Excindios, I.E Lobotomized & Neutered Men of Iron.
The fact that just 12 of them plus the Lion was enough to slaughter an entire forge world
I just love how they mention Asmodai and the chat just screams Repent. Its so good.
Cardassians: eyyyyy!
Dark Angels: eyyyyyy!
Dark Angels: *Blam*
Dark Angels Ravenwing being fast and slapping hard:
*Cries in White Scar*
The fallen thinking that they'd be annihilated may not be far off.
There were two other Primarchs and their legions were slaughtered by Russ.
Also the burning of Prospero, yes Horus intercepted the message, but the Emperor's Executioner didn't even question it.
I love how DK literally has no idea what he's being told ,but still acts like he understands. 😅
"o-ohhhhhh..... WOW."
@@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745 am I wrong?
The Dark Angel's post heresy got their brooding from Lion and their paranoia from Luthor. It is Ironic that they are literally acting and thinking in the same way that Lithor did after his exile to Caliban.
I remember reading in the Imperial Armour books how the Krieg got pissed at the DA cause they showed up to Vraks looking for fallen destroyed a ton, and left without saying a word.
If, when we get to the Space Wolves, we don't mention the Traditional Duel that HAS to take place whenever the DA and SW work together, all because The Lion and Russ fought one time and it was called a draw, I riot.
"Ah..... I see.... okay." So much meaning in so few words. It's beautiful.
I hope Lion tells his sons to dial back on the torture, especially when he discovers what they did to the primaris
The dark angels actually were on a metal album cover from the band Saxton
I feel the rift cannon is somewhat represented well on tabletop. Heavy D3, strength 12. So you would be wounding on 2’s on most infantry units. In addition, it has the rule where if it wounds the target, don’t roll your saving throw, as that unit will instead 3 mortal wounds per successful wound roll.
48:30
The pennace of silence in response to laughter is litteraly just "no fun allowed."
So the hexagrammaton was crusade and heresy era, the deathwing and ravenwing are the only wings of the hexagrammaton to survive the restructuring of the legion into chapters during the great purge and the subsequent age of the imperium. So when there were all 6 wings, they were all important, but not all of them survived the codex. Also, you completely missed out the orders that exist within the legion alongside the wings, which does add a lot of context to how my bois became the secretive broody mofos they have become. That being said, I understand that you guys try to keep these to a roughly similar time stamp and there's SO MUCH dangels lore to cover, so I get it.
If I had my way, I would have them do a follow up episode to cover the Hexagrammaton in more detail, along with things like the caches of Dark Age equipment they had/still technically have (things like the Excindio and singularity drives), as well as some 30k characters (especially Corswain due to everything he did and how much of a chad he was)
I hope the next Primarch/Legion videos they do is going to be about Ferrus and the Iron Hands.
It’s a shame he didn’t talk about the Rang Dang Xenocide and it’s massive effect it had on dark angels.
What happened with that?
@@Dracobyteat the start of it the Dark Angels were one of if not the biggest Legions at that point (I don’t remember exact numbers but probably around a couple hundred thousand). The war was so bad and brutal that everyone involved took massive casualties (the Dark Angels got the worst of it and lost 90% of their strength).
@@ShadowGhost0117 oh wow! That is even worse that what happened to the Iron Hands, Raven Guard and Salamanders.
@@Dracobyte to be fair they did gain most of it back by the beginning of the Heresy, but up until that point they were the most powerful Legion.
@@ShadowGhost0117 damn... that's rough buddy.
From what I remember, alot of Space marine chapters really don't like the dark angels because they tend to leave the battlefield for no reason. Which basically means, theres a fallen near the area, send everything to find them.
Just showed up as the show began, perfect timing.
Damn, Bricky got called out in the first TEN MINUTES of the cast.
The Dark Angels bulky robes over their armor makes them look like a fat kid at the pool wearing a shirt.
Yknow what time it is? Bonus lore!
The dreadwing during the great crusade, along with the rest of the legion, were trusted to the point of being given rare and unique technologies to try out in combat, varying from 40k's own type of Napalm to flat out AI constructs (giving killswitches and such, of course)
The 1st Legion was literally capable of causing another Old Night if needed.
All the other Legions can have their moments, but we are the ones who will do what no one else will.
My favorite bit of lore is that a fallen had destroyed some soul stones of an Eldar Craftworld. They captured the fallen alive and decided to roll up to the rock and hand him over, because the far seer had seen that the dark angels would inflict more pain on the fallen than the Eldar could.
I get that there are so many characters and other things to mention, but I would have loved to hear Bricky talk about things like Corswain and the Excindio
if DK likes Dark Angels, wait till he finds out about the Excindio or the dark oracle, he's gonna flip his lid.
Me: “Hey DK, want to hear about the time the Lion just said fuck it and deployed 12 lobotomized Men of Iron and used them to annihilate a planet of Mechancicum?”
DK: “I’m sorry, WHAT!!!!”
Me: “Oh, and when I say he used these 12, I mean it was just those 12 and him. By the end of it all, 5 were destroyed with the rest still barely operational.”
21:10 Technically you can't even play Fallen _at all_ now. The unit was removed from the 9th ed CSM codex. There's only Cypher left.
Even using the 8th ed codex, though, Fallen were barely an army. They had rules in White Dwarf (which were merely reprinted and slightly edited from an earlier publication at that), and their Fallen detachment only had something like 5 datasheets you could legally include. None of them Troops. So it was mathematically impossible to run a Fallen army at 2000 pts, unless you had allies (which defeats the purpose). The Rule of Three stops you from adding enough units to the army before you get anywhere close, even if you load up on every upgrade you could.
I started painting a Fallen army half _out of spite_ when I learned how thoroughly GW shafted them. I run them as Dark Angels, which fits my army's narrative better anyway. No Chaos, just Mad About Caliban.
GW did the fallen dirty and it sucks, because the whole DA faction (From loyalist to renegade and chaos aligned) suffers due to the bare bones nature of the current Fallen, on the tabletop and even in the lore to a degree.
@@Hikurangi911 Like, you'd think a faction that is as important to another faction's backstory and current narrative - to the point the latter effectively revolves around the former - would be playable on tabletop. And yet, the Fallen were barely playable, and then ceased to be playable in any sense.
It would be like if the Eldar had the same long-standing beef with Slaanesh, but you couldn't play Slaanesh _anything_ on the tabletop. No Emperor's Children, no Slaaneshi Daemons, nothing. Or maybe you'd have exactly one Slaanesh Daemons unit, to be played in another Chaos army, that breaks army construction rules, and that you had to field using a kit otherwise dedicated to one of the other Chaos gods. And then an edition changes, and suddenly even that unit is removed from the rules. Yet Slaanesh continues to be a setting element.
That would be an insane way of doing things, right? And yet, here we are with the Fallen.
@@Bluecho4 That might be changing. I think the Fallen will have more of a presence in the new edition.
@@Bluecho4 To make it worse there are barely any notable chaos fallen either, cypher is a "good" guy (possibly Corswain or Zahariel) and luther is seemingly repentant, other than that you might have Marbas or Merir Astelan or some other random fallen.
I like how Shy has this inhuman presence by never being physically seen nor heard, outside of fan-art, text, and memes
But you can Always feel her presence....
Dark Angels: Have a book written in the blood of their fallen brothers.
Some Dark Eldar Archon living in Commorragh: Amateur.
Asmodai: *Blade of Reason.*
"Oh, I didnt know this was a joined opperation with the Raven Guard and the White Scars?"
"It isn't, Brother from the Ravenwing.
This is something personal..."
It is funny to me that the Dark Angles have their entire thing be "doing the same as everyone else, just better": Their terminators are better, their plasma weapons are better, they have access to the most dark age tech out of any chapter, their knights are more knightly than the Black Templars, their bikers are better than the White Scars, they not only stole the Raven Guard's naming convention but also their deal of being sneaky... Anything you can do, the Dangles do better.
The Flamewing were just Alpha Legion in Dark Angel colours.
*Dreadwing watching Death Guard and Night Lords use chemical weapons and causing utter terror*
Dreadwing: “Just remember who taught you this in the first place”
I just finished listening to the Lion video, and it got me thinking. What about a fun one off episode where you guys pick your favorite moments for each primarch, and talk about it. It could be cool things they did, awesome things they said, amazing battles. There’s options.
Me listening to "Dark Angels - Broken Wings - Original Song ft. Yohan" by StringStorm For the 41,000th time
Week 12 of TALK ABOUT THE RAVEN GUARD YOU COWARDS!
Tap the sign
@@Kibbet21 it says; "Hurry up you COWARDS!"