Some people don't understand what pattern recognition is. They just think it's "unfair" or "judging a product by the trailer, " which is literally what trailers are for.
What does a fair chance even mean in this context? The show has the resources of a massive corporate organization behind it, investing in its success. It already has more advantages than most passion projects that go viral. The fans have every right to set whatever standards they want and reject anything that doesn't live up to them.
It's also demonstrates the double standards of Lucasfilm management. They STILL give practically nothing to EU fans (300K strong subreddit) because they're that afraid of and threatened by the EU, but they give High Republic fans (17K strong subreddit) a streaming show worth $180,000,000, even though the books aren't selling that well. And this is why I shy FAR away from Disney Star Wars. They don't care about doing what the fans want, they do what they want.
Yep and they couldn’t afford anyone on the team to say Jedis don’t work like that, lightsabers don’t work like that, fire doesn’t work like that… STAR WARS DOESN’T WORK LIKE THAT. If you get the gift of a project and budget like this and you don’t at least take a few days to learn wtf you’re working on you deserve to be fired.
Your ex burns you over and over again - and you keep going back. And you know what? Maybe she does change for the better a little (Andor) But then you see the signs again for her reverting to her previous behavior - is it really that bad to step away from her for once?
"People would have hated it even if it was great" - hmm, I guess we'll never know, will we? Let's see if they DO release something great and people still hate it. (People didn't hate Andor...)
Would they have hated it regardless? Some maybe, but a lot of internet reviewer despised the Movie Barbie. and it was the #1 movie of 2023. Rotten tomatoes 88% and 83% "As of Macrh 5, 2024, Greta Gerwig's very pink fantasy-comedy "Barbie" (2023) has collected more than 636 million U.S. dollars at the North American box office, garnering a total of 1.45 billion U.S. dollars worldwide. It has instantly become the biggest debut ever for a film directed by a woman." Barbie: The WOKEST Movie Of The Year?? Barbie is the Most Delusional, Hateful, Woke Film I've Ever Seen Ben Shapiro DESTROYS The Barbie Movie For 43 Minutes Don't Take KIDS To The Barbie Movie -- It's WOKE Feminist Propaganda BARBIE Is Everything Wrong With Hollywood
@@BuscaLoEsencial Many people didn't like it, but this film was marketed it to an audience that did; and on a $145 million they grossed $1.45 billion so far. That is good business sense. Can this realistically be said of The Acolyte?
When the director tells you long in advance the crap they are putting together obviously contrary to Star Wars canon, they have no right to say it didn’t get a chance.
I never gave it a chance, Disney lost me before the Acolyte was even dreamed up. At this point I cant be bothered to have my interest raised by modern Star Wars. If it's ever good again... I'm sure I'll hear about it.
I was aware of all the red flags that _The Acolyte_ had, and knew it would probably suck… but I was still looking forward to it, and wanted it to be good… and even now, I’m going to finish the season and see if it can redeem itself at all… but yeah, so far it sucks 😑
At this point, I’m not expecting a last episode redemption. My view on finishing the season is to be able to critique it directly and not rely only on generally trusted reviewers on TH-cam.
Same and I love the Sith. I don’t like the Rebels. And Andor is a far superior show than the Acolyte. I’m more excited for Andor season 2 than this sorry excuse for a Sith story.
It's not a high bar to pass, but you'd be surprised that it is also content to enjoy for the sake of the content. In other words, it's a coping mechanism. It's our Star Wars, we have been there since 1977 to 2012 ('14 if it is the last time we got for EU), so Kennedyfilm stanbase knows nothing about what came before. Dark Forces is the original "Rebels had the plans for the Death Star" as Rogue One is a blatant copy of it, which is not a good look, might I add.
I think this has more to do with a culmination of bad movies and shows, the company insulting fans, creators not caring about the lore, the creator’s vision being retconned and DEI agendas that has people just saying no. We aren’t on board with the approach, or we will forever leave. I myself, feel this way; it was with Obi Wan when I finally said “I’m done” Star Wars was never going to get better. I even wrote off Andor. The only way for me to come back, is a mea culpa from Disney, terminations of KK, Filoni, Headland, all of the story group, full de canonization of the sequels, Obi wan, BoBF, Acolyte, Mando S3, Solo Ahsoka and anything that doesn’t completely ruin canon. I know Rogue One had some differences, but they were mild enough, that I can accept it. The fact that many are united against Disney, will hopefully bring needed change. Though, my terms may still stand.
My favourite part of Kenobi was when Kenobi forgot that Anakin was Darth Vader and has to be told by Reva😂 Because the Showrunner never watched ROTS and admitted it in an interview after the show came out!😂😢😭 Ahaha f*ckin kill me.
And for such a tiny selection of the fanbase, to boot! High Republic books don't sell great, and there's only 17K users on the High Republic subreddit. Contrast that to the Star Wars EU subreddit, which has 300K users. Tone-deaf AF.
They’ve had since 2012. Don’t gaslight like this series is an isolated event. They couldn’t be more obvious about their contempt or for whom it is held.
Fair enough. I still stand that if this had been released before episode 7, before any damage was done to the brand. And before all the insults and antagonizing people in general. People would be having a very different reaction to this show. People liked the Force Awakens for god's sake. It was so unoriginal, rehashed episode 4 in a inferior way and doomed the potential of the sequel era by destroying the New Republic for a cheap "shock value".
Disney certainly deserves blame, maybe most of the blame. However I don't think the attitude of "I'm never going to watch it" while continuing to talk crap about it can be or should be defended either. People who watch it and come away with an opinion have earned the right to that opinion.
@@frontierlandfrank5314 An invention without any proof. If that would be true, the films from big industries always would have good critics. But no, blockbusters get hit by the critics a lot.
@achaudhari101 Listen, if you enjoy The Acolyte, then by all means, more power to you. As for me, I know the difference between a plate full of delicious food and a plate full of poop. No matter how many condiments I put on it, it's still gonna taste like poop. Perhaps if I never saw any great films or even any great Star Wars, then maybe I might be able to watch it. Unlikely. But maybe.
@@20th_century_Ghost You can't think everyone is an angel and a demon in terms of having ulterior motives at times. SW was built on the idea of questioning morality and seeing which side is the best one. Yes we know who's good or bad but ever since the Prequels we should always be aware of that gray area being a point of discussion.
It had a fair chance two years ago, before the creatives repeatedly crammed their foot in their mouths, and showed they had disconnected themselves almost completely to how the fanbasse views the franchise in general Legends in particular.
High Republic fans (17K strong subreddit) get a streaming show worth $180,000,000, but EU fans (300K strong subreddit) still don't get new Legends books even after ten years. Lucasfilm is packed by total hypocrites.
Yes and no. Acolyte is a Kathleen Kennedy project (The High Republic), and anything associated with her naturally generates negativity. However, let's not kid ourselves-the creatives attached to this project should not be there. Everything about this, from "not being kind to the Jedi" to the trailers, feels like it was made to subvert our expectations of the lore that has been established for years. It was bound to get some pushback.
@@gorsh7870the OT and PT. Which are different films from OT and PT in context of Legends. PT Jedi were wayward, but started to get a clue by end of AotC. And OT? One quote should tell you what those films were going for: "I am a Jedi like my father before me." The idea that Jedi were wrong is authors like Anderson, Karpyshyn, Ostrander, Traviss and Denning missing the point and retconning the lore accordingly.
@@saberiandream316 Not really. Luke/Mara was developed long before Lucas devised that idea. And as Jolee Bindo in KOTOR put it, loving without possessiveness, selfless love balanced by due consideration for the demands of duty, should be the goal of the Jedi.
@@reimannsum9077 Thor is a George Lucas purist. It's why he likes Filoni, because he thinks Filoni "honors the canon." Filoni's own past remarks prove otherwise. What is the difference, really, between hating Dawn of the Jedi because it shows early Je'daii using the dark side, and hating Jedi getting married? Both concepts go against George Lucas's own story.
@@saberiandream316 I think you might be taking this whole thing a little too seriously dude. It's fiction, remember. Also Thor is not a George Lucas purist just because he describes and defines what Lucas and others working with him put down before Disney rewrote it.
The solution to everyone’s frustration is simple… turn your back on Disney, ignore everything they chuck out, and stick to purity. My Star Wars is 4-6, forever. I don’t need more. If you ignore Disney then Disney Star Wars dies on its own. There’s only one thing worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about - Oscar Wilde.
Thank God that's not the whole mentality of the fandom because it makes no sense especially since you would want them to do better like how Inside Out 2 has recently been praised.
@@achaudhari101 Only needing 3 quality movies that are beloved to a huge demographic doesn’t make sense to you? Wow… Disney stuff doesn’t make sense to a great many. Better logic. Imagine just how many fans Disney have turned away now… just think…
@@achaudhari101 The Prequels had a good story, and a great musical score. The casting was okay. After that, there were some very bad decisions and very poor execution. There were huge backlashes then, I witnessed them. There was good reason for the backlashes, as there’s always a reason behind these things (like Acolyte’s current 14%). The Prequels did in no way match up to the OT. One isolated example of many… the first episode featured political debates and ended with a funeral! The audience left the theatres, not on the usual high they were used to after watching a Star Wars movie. This makes perfect sense. If you’re going to cast someone to play a child that will grow up to be Darth Vader, you need a child actor who can present a haunted quality to represent Anakin, someone who can present a potential darkness, like Haley Joel Osment for example, who shone in The Sixth Sense. Jake Lloyd was an awful choice, with his ‘Mom, I’m home…’ dialogue. Better suited to Jingle all the Way than Star Wars. Lucas had lost his touch by this time, surrounded by ‘yes’ people, having big fat business lunches with other big fat directors. He just didn’t have the magic anymore, or people to challenge his decisions. The OT was made by many, with people that improved on Lucas’ original ideas and expanded them. The Prequels were highly lacking in this, the chemistry was noticeably wrong, the formula was lost. It makes perfect sense. You don’t understand it, because your rose tinted glasses won’t allow you to be critical to Star Wars, because you’re far too precious about it. You take the PT far more seriously than Lucas ever did.
Time is irreplaceable. If a song doesn't hook me within the first minute. No matter how good it might get afterwards I move on. After that first minute I walk away. Same happened with the acolyte. Gave it 15 minutes it didn't hook me I'm gone. Like it or not that's my set of standards.
That's pretty standard. I need to be at least at little invested form the start. Andor didn't hook me in the first two episodes. But it did enough to make me want to watch to keep watching. It's now my favorite Star Wars content since RotJ. This show has only made me mad. But I'm still watching because at this point it's hilarious. Like I'm just laughing at it now. And that entertains me.
The concept that you have to watch anything entirely or else you can’t have an opinion on it is so flawed. Time is valuable and wasting hours on poorly executed stories is not an obligation for audience members.
Hey Thor, I majorly agree with the thought that a primary focus of star wars material that's near the time of anakin bringing balance to the force should be being consistent wth and emphasizing the importance of anakin's life and sacrifice. With that in mind, I wonder what kind of star wars stories you not only want to see, but more specifically think should be explored or fleshed out in some kind of more major way, to further the message, solidify the importance of those events, and further the themes of star wars. For example, I think the time of luke's new jedi order, including ahsoka as essentially the ultimate/purest/white jedi from the old era as well as leia training in the force is something that would be absolutely instrumental into furthering star wars' story and themes. I'm thinking it could be similar to a justice league show or the establishment of the justice league. They of course can't have the main threats be a major force of the sith so I imagine it would be a series more about settling disputes and establishing the ideals of the new jedi as well as dealing with attachments and the true will of the force. Another idea is that we could have a story of darth plagueis, sidious, or even another sith lord before them and demonstrate the life of a sith apprentice who's living undercover and slowly being swallowed by the dark side. Maybe we could see just how miserable living that way is as well as see the kind of mind games, deception, and competition that the sith lord and his pupil have to deal with in being the only sith in a world of jedi. I've got a few more ideas but essentially I think these kinds of stories would further develop many of the characters and world that fans are desperate for more exploration of as well as deeply and meaningfully further develop the themes that are universal to star wars as well as help us gain a better understanding of the story so far.
Wanna know what show REALLY never got a fair chance? _Andor._ Fewer people watched that, despite it being one of the best Star Wars shows to come out recently, all because it doesn't have stupid lightsabers and junk. I've heard very little positive about the Acolyte. If it really was any good, then people would be talking about how good it is, and how it surpassed expectations... But it simply _isn't._ Review bombing or not, the simple fact is most people who DO watch it aren't impressed with it. If Disney wants to succeed, they have to _actually make good shows._
@@irondarwin2483 I don't think lightsabers are stupid, I just think that lightsabers aren't what makes Star Wars _Star Wars._ (ever heard of hyperbole?) That's like saying Pikachu is what makes Pokemon Pokemon... Its simply not true.
@@JimTempleman No way, have you seen the crap that goes into Disney Star Wars books? A fart wedding and Padme's periods. Even the YA content of the old EU never devolved that low!
@@saberiandream316 Of course one needs to be selective when choosing books. Disney Star Wars books - I think I will pass on those. Thank heaven that Hollywood has no control over choosing which books get published!
The problem with the show is that there are so many stupid scenes where either the dialogue comes off not making sense or a character does something so dumb you question if they think the audience is 7 years old and will think it just makes sense to them….our 7 year old audience. Not to mention they painted a picture of what happened in episodes 1 and 2 that episode 3 only showed what we already knew with no new details that are interesting, but episode 3 made what we already knew look lame like it was supposed to surprise us or something. Then Mae at the end of episode 3 like we were supposed to be surprised she survived it or something? Her being alive was clear before that.
Which leads me to say even if they didn’t have much of a chance beforehand, they complimented the situation with some of the dumbest Star Wars we’ve seen. No blasters or lightsabers which fans love but lots of lame stupidity?
People don’t have a problem with new Starwars being created; they have a problem with old Starwars being destroyed. Nobody hated the creation of Ray; they hated the destruction of Han and Luke. They also hated the destruction of the entire OT by having Palpatine survive. Nobody hated the creation of Riva; they hated the destruction of Obi Wan. Nobody hates the creation of these witches; they hate the destruction of Anakin and the now complete destruction of the Skywalker saga. They’ve destroyed others along the way, which makes it seem either deliberate or extreme incompetence.
If I had to make one change to the original trilogy, keep boba fett around to the end of return of the Jedi and have him be a hired servant projecting the shield generator at Endor, an use him properly, that would’ve been the only change which would’ve been made for me.
“The Acolyte never had a fair chance”. Bullshit. I’d say there is a decent amount of overlap between GoT fans and Star Wars fans; and after the abomination that was season 8 of GoT, the fandom came roaring back for HoTD. Because HoTD is good. The Star Wars fandom wants the same thing and will show up for it. (See Bad Batch)
This is why I love Thor even when we disagree. He isn't ashamed to genuinely consider perspectives that don't align with his own. Intellectual Proactivity is such a valuable trait
None of that is true though. His entire channel is dedicated to trashing Star Wars, his comments are completely insincere, he takes incredulity and pretends not to understand very simple things, and he deletes comments that challenge him.
They did Obi-wan and Boba Fett that had a lot of room to improve and are still watchable, but besides that, didnt you enjoy Mandalorian, Andor, Rogue One, Bad Batch, Clone Wars S7 or Ahsoka?
@@ALDO_GOODENS I find difficult to be a Star Wars fan and say that, because some of those shows are really good. But ok, maybe Star Wars is not for you anymore. No aggression intended, if you dont enjoy it, maybe you liked the past films because nostalgia or something and now you are a different person. I honestly don't think the problem is Disney doing bad quality content.
@@pabloj.garcia2559 "maybe you liked the past films because nostalgia or something and now you are a different person" That comment makes no sense at all. We like old Star Wars because it was good and that hasn't changed, it was good when it came out and it still is. It's Disney that changed Star Wars, not us fans that have somehow changed, because we still like the old stuff just as much.
It had a fair chance with me. If the first few episodes had been well written, well acted, and were telling an appealing story, I’d have stayed locked in. At this point, I could take it or leave it though. It’s not the worst thing they’ve ever done, but it’s not good, either.
Hey Thor regarding your stance on your own objectivity , and fairness . It is my belief that you should embrace your true nature. We have a lot in common I was a cook and restaurant manager for most of my life , as such we are built to analyze and problem solve with the least amount of bias or reactionary emotional response ( not unlike the Jedi )as possible so that our kitchens run smoothly no matter the volume of orders coming in. A good manager has to be dispassionate and measured in order to maintain a rhythm, if you play favorites or get emotional ( anger/ aggression) staff will not respond well and things will fall apart. Balance allows for clarity in both kitchen work and Jedi teaching, so yes you are very fair and objective. What makes you special as a TH-cam critic is that these treats come natural for you.
OK, watching ep 4 it now all makes sense. eps 1-4 are like the Coles notes on a season 1 that we all skipped. Now that the characters and all main plot points are introduced the real story begins.
Are people predisposed to hating disney star wars stuff? Absolutely, but there is a reason, 99% of what they make is corporate DEI trash and people are tired of this, even projects that are light on the matter (furiosa for exemple) bomb because people are so damned tired. At this point disney would need to make several good projects in a row to regain any semblance of reputation. So yes but it is by no coincidence.
I went into the acolyte with an open mind. Despite the rumors, despite controversial takes from Leslie, and despite the greater community’s sensitivity to anything that could be perceived as “woke.” I was ready to love this show, but it failed to meet my most basic expectations. As such Disney is going to lose not just the dollar of one, not just the dollar of two, but the dollar of MANNNNYYYYYY
11:30 I recommend the DragonLance novels for what "too much good" looks like in a world that balances good, evil, and neutral forces. A cataclysm was called down when a good king made demands of the gods to further purge evil from the world. Krynn was bereft of godly magics for centuries as a result.
BS. Capital G Good and Capital E Evil alignments in Dragonlance are just D&D alignments turned into vaguely collectivist and Individualist partisan factions, which is why the Good characters going to extreme are wilfully oppressive and destructive ie. anything but good. They might as well be called Paladinites, Takhisites and Gileanites for the moral weight their alignments hold. Case in point Takhisis not being the arch-villain of the series because she's Evil, but because she's endandering the world by not following The Rules ie slipping from Lawful Evil to Neutral Evil. The whole setting replaces good and evil with Lawful and Chaotic for its moral axis. Oh and the Gods retreating from the world was them throwing a fit for not stopping a guy Paladine himself continued to give his spells per day until bitter end. Displeasing one's god is outright stated to be a reason for divine casters to lose their mojo, so talk about mixed messages.
Hey Thor. What do you think about Leslye Headland’s seemingly intense fascination with the character of Kreia and her desire to explore her story in some on-screen form? I personally think The Acolyte shows Leslye has a fundamental misunderstanding of the narrative purpose Kreia served in KOTOR 2, and I don’t trust current Lucasfilm anywhere near the Old Republic. But, I have to admit I miss seeing characters with such unique perspectives like Kreia’s explored in Star Wars. Would love to hear your thoughts.
They don't care enough about EU fans to give us new books, you sure AF ain't getting an Old Republic show, if anything, Hidalgo's attitude, mocking them for being too small to matter, seems to reveal management attitudes toward EU and Old Republic fans.
Hey Thor, just curious but are you a fan of The Simpsons? If so, have you seen the episode The Itchy and Scratchy and Poochie Show? I think the exchange between Bart and Comic Book Guy on creators and fans and who owes what is still relevant. I watched that episode on Disney+ the other day and thought of you and your discussions
A company can survive years to come even by releasing bad products, but it won’t withstand mere days with bad publicity. It’s genuinely a miracle Disney made it this far, they chose to die on this hill and they will get that chance to be so.
Hey Thor, thanks for answering my question! I think you got what I was meaning and I’m not surprised by your answer. Follow up for you, what changes would you make to the prequels?
Hey Thor. While I think you covered a similar question in a previous video, I had a few thoughts/questions relating to attachments and the Jedi Order. For me, attachments do not equal a desire to posses another person. I have always understood that love in its highest and truest form to be sacrificial and inherently unselfish. For example, my parents sacrificed a majority of their free time to raising me and my siblings becuase they loved us and wanted to raise us properly. I’ve also generally understood possession as an unhealthy desire to control or own another person. If this is true, can Jedi form attachments (specifically romantic/familial attachments) in a healthy way? Thank you for all your hard work!
I agree 100%, your channel and others have been using The Acolyte ever since it was announced to create content, most of it with a negative slant. Every rumor and interview about the show became content for you tubers and social media before it ever came out, sooo...what chance did it have if the majority of opinion was already decided?
Problem is no one would listen to or give credence to negative skewed reporting on the show if Lucasfilm under Disney had a good track record. As I tried to say in the video, the ''hatred' towards Disney Star Wars didn't come about for no reason. It came about because many feel what they create, that Star Wars under them, has been bad... and thus they didn't expect The Acolyte to be any different.
I'm glad Yoda and the Jedi Council aren't in this show. It gets freaking old when EVERYTHING needs to have crossover characters and memberberries. Just about the only aspect of The Acolyte I can agree with so far is that they finally have something that stands (or falls) on its own merit and doesn't need to reference other places and people we've already encountered. The galaxy is a HUGE place and it doesn't make any sense that the same half-dozen people would be involved with EVERYTHING that goes on in it.
I remember The Little Platoon saying he went in with such low expectations he actually was positively surprised by some things. Generally the thing about prejudice is: yes, it can lead to confirmation bias/ selective attention; but it can also be contradicted and lead to a change of opinion. If it was actually good, there‘d be people saying „wow, I was wrong“. So sure, people went and expected something bad, and that might be unfair (less towards Star Wars as a brand, and moreso towards producers/ writers, who are actually different people than previous series). But the writing and quality of a TV show is not an immutable characteristic. It‘s a trend based on connections and regulations within LucasFilm. Patterns are actually applicable here.
I've only seen the first 2 episodes and honestly don't think I will go further than that for awhile, just didnt keep me interested. Saw reviews on episode 3 and I am not interested but turned away from watching it. Last time I ignored reviews on a new Star Wars movie/show resulted in me wishing I never bought Episode 7. Just my opinion which is subjective, always happy to hear why people like shows/movie I don't, keeps me open minded and give second chance.
I don't believe people would hate it this much if none of those interviews happened. I think people would just say "Not good, not bad". Most of the hate videos ive seen on youtube have been really uncharitable, nitpicky and slinged veiled insults at the lesbians (yes for just being gay). Also hiring Lesley was the worst decision in the world my god
Hey Thor I have a question that’s been on my mind for some time now. Why does everyone get into discussions and arguments with each other of the force in star wars be it the light side or the dark and yet no one ever does this with lord of the rings and ever say say if the Sauron can be redeemed or whatever. Why does one get talked about so much while the other one is just left alone that no one will touch by comparison? I really hope you can answer this question.
I hate the argument of "more content = more money" as an excuse for why Disney puts out terrible shows and movies. These shows and movies suck because the people making them suck at their job. Someone who is good at their job could arguably pump out content even faster and with higher quality that would satify fans, meaning more people will watch the content created which means more money for Disney.
I gave it a chance. I had no real expectations, and I was disappointed. Not much more complicated than that really. It was just garden variety bad and uninteresting product.
Hey Thor, I was wondering if you could explore the idea of “good from a certain point of view.” I don’t want to go full post-modern in Star Wars, but I do think a degree of ambiguity does not hurt and would even help Star Wars. Not everything has a clear right and wrong answer, and not every action is either good or evil. Did Obi-Wan lie to Luke, and was this a dark side action? He told the truth…”from a certain point of view.” But that also means he lied from a certain point of view. Not everything we do to help other people always works out positively. What if, in trying to help a certain people group, we end up making their situation worse? Should we have not tried, should we have thought things through more, or should we have tried to influence multiple groups of people?
Obi Wan, while he had good intentions, was also kinda expectant in a messed-up way in hoping he can train Luke to fix his and Yoda's screwups and be this perfect Jedi to invalidate his failing with Anakin.
Hey Thor, do you actually think Headland will bring in this season (hopefully the only one) any EU characters, could this acolyte be another student of Tenebrous like Venamis and Plagueis? Would you want this to happen in this series?
"The Acolyte never had a fair chance." There was plenty of red flags before the show ever aired. Some of these include THR era just isn't very popular, according to leaked Book Scan data (a Nielson service for book sales) showed a nearly 90% drop off in readership from the first book to the latest books for when the data was released. There's many interviews with Headland way before the show aired that have troubling statements in them, regardless of her back ground. Her background with Weinstein was always going to be a issue with a high profile project. Plus her previous work doesn't really give any indication that a Star Wars project from her would be any good, it's quite a different category to her normal area. While she says she's a massive fan it some how comes off as fake, it may be true she's a massive fan but to many it doesn't feel that way. Then there was the horrendous interviews way back at Celeberation that got openly mocked and the press tour just before he show ever aired had some real train wreck moments in it too eg Charlie Barnett saying Anakin blew up the Death Star twice in two different interviews on different days which just made him come off as a try hard wannabe fan.
The latest High Republic novel Temptation of the Force actually does explore the idea that Jedi who embrace their "loves and bonds" (as one of the questions was about) do become stronger for the. And it does so very well! One of my favorite Star Wars books now.
Hey Thor, you mentioned the concept of a balance in the force: it’s a philosophical question, but you think goodness can exist in a world without evil? You don’t think evil is necessary for good(ness) to shine? I always wondered about the interpretation of the “balance in the force” concept myself and at first I was in line with your view on the matter, I do think the universe is a result of negative and positive particles/waves/concepts or forces, balancing each other out constantly. Why wouldn’t this apply to “the force”?
Hey Thor, When I first heard about the Acolyte I had hoped it would be a story about Darth Bane, the down fall of the Sith and the creation of the rule of two. Lucas Film could've even followed the bad guy for this movie which would be new. If they wanted to subvert expectations they could've even made Darth Bane a Jedi that fell during the eradication of the Sith and he gets enamored with the Sith secretly throughout the war. At some point he finally tries to convince the Sith to go to the rule of two, they reject him and are killed and then he carries on having stolen all their teachings before they were destroyed and then we see him with his own acolyte which could be the word for a Sith apprentice. BAM end credits. Thoughts?
Considering the sheer amount of dislike and mistrust that came from the Last Jedi, hiring a show runner, that was the former PERSONAL assistant of a convicted woman abuser, screaming feminism and LBGTQ+ rights, was a pretty dumb idea… All things considered… And Headland was never a fan of Star Wars, no matter what lies that woman spins to help her sleep at night…
Ironically, I operate on the 3 episode rule; if I don’t vibe with/like a show by the 3rd episode I call it quits. Oh and would you look at that, episode 3 of The Acolyte and... If I hear it gets better I may give it a second try. But this is Disney Star Wars, the likelihood of that is slim.
I never got that rule. If a tv executive only gets one episode to decide if they should greenlight a show so should O have one episode to judge a show.
@@emberfist8347 that’s fine, lol! It’s a rule I first began to apply to anime shows when I spent way too much time explaining to a friend why [redacted] wasn’t bad. There’s a reason pilot episodes should be pilot episodes. Not some amalgam of arrest plot/prison break/upholding “laws bad” flapjack of a story. If you shout about everything at once; you might as well be shouting at ghosts. Also, lip service accomplishes nothing. Edit: not you “you” just an abstract (you) insert, sorry lol
I think Disneys problem is, that they try to hard to target specific audiences instead of just telling a good story it has to be twisted into a lesson. All that is missing is the skit at the end, like in the 80s/90s cartoons, where He-Man Cpt. Planet or Mr. T had to spell out the lesson of the respective episode. I am half expecting for Osha or Master Sol to do this after an Acolyte episode. It is like they think of a topic and force it into existing lore stories and charcters even if it breaks everything including the immersion.
Disney lost my trust when they blamed the fans for its failures. Haven’t looked back since. They would need to do a significant amount to make me even think about trusting them again.
Hey Thor, something that has always bothered me about the Prequels is the size of the Clone Army. In Episode 2, it's stated 200k units ready with a million more well on the way. That's an earth size army. In fact, there are a couple million man standing armies here on earth. To me, that seems way too small to fight 10,000 plus systems worth of separatists across an entire galaxy. What're your thoughts?
The EU spent years addressing that. Short version the Clones were the spearhead of the Republic army supported by various planetary security forces made of birth-born beings.
So if it is the Mother behandling the mask. That means she took all the witches life-energy, to become "the power of the many". It would explain the power showing at the end of episode 4?
I was willing to give it a fair shake. But then a Jedi died after getting stabbed by a cheese knife. I was done with the show after that. Seriously. There's no coming back from that after you've shown lightsaber stabbings to be non fatal.
Maybe we don’t give it a chance because when the show is announced, the writers and directors immediately tell us fans that we’re going to be bigots and racists if we don’t like it. Even if we don’t know what the story is about yet. We are already labeled a this-a-phobe or that-a-phobe.
I think you’re the most fair and I appreciate your subjective opinion. I don’t even really care about Star Wars at this point, but I like listening to your thoughts.
Hey Thor, about that line of Palpatine saying "good is a point of view." Obviously in the context of that scene he is trying to manipulate Anakin and yes, Palpatine is the bad guy so we shouldn't be listening to him too literally however I don't think the phrase in a vacuum is COMPELTELY wrong. For example, to paraphrase another TH-camr I watch "a lion killing impala is obviously bad from the impala's perspective but think of the starving lion cubs back at the den." There are other examples I can think of like say, a fisherman catching a bunch of fish is obviously bad from the fish's perspective but what about the fisherman's responsibility to feed himself, his family and support his community. Or say you're in a plane falling from the sky and the oxygen masks come down and some people around you are struggling to get theirs on. Obviously, you'd have to get your own on first before you can even think about helping someone else. In other words, you're putting your own needs above the needs of someone else or you know, being selfish. The point I'm trying to make here is even though that line in the context of the movie is obviously bad, it's not universally bad and I believe could be properly applied in other contexts. To me "good is a point of view" doesn't and shouldn't mean doing evil things should be treated as good things because somebody says so, it should mean that things such as context and the lense from which we view actions and events can and will affect how we judge them. Maybe I'm not making sense, maybe I'm missing something obvious here, but if you ever see this comment I'd like to know what you think.
RE: Air mask on airline is a bad example. You can pass out FIRST if you try putting oxygen masks on other people before you wear one yourself. You cannot save anyone if you're unconscious.
Good and Bad comes from society, as the rules we agree on to benefit everyone. Lions and impala have wants, but not society (so no morality). As an atheist, I don't think the act of murder angers some deity, or breaks some objective celestial rule, but it means people in your town trust each other less, and so help each other and trade with each other less. People spend time and money on self-protection, instead of other tasks. The town becomes poorer. So yes, it's pretty subjective, but 1) everyone in the society agrees that murder is banned. And 2) pretty much every society on Earth came to the same conclusion. 9 As evolution proves, changing circumstance/environments require changing solutions. E.g. sex before marriage was once "wrong", quite rightfully), but now it's not, (quite rightfully), but I don't think it's fair to suggest that morality is subjective... it's based on quite concrete circumstances.
The thing about the "Star Wars is for kids" line. We need to remember that was said by George when he was facing some pretty hard criticism for the prequels, especially for Jar Jar. In some of the interviews from that time you can see how defensive he was being (Jar Jar's accent was drawing some real fire). However, it has never really been true. George has said he was inspired by old serials like Flash Gordan. Those things were "suitable for children" but were not "made for kids." To say that they should be judged like kid's movies is just more gaslighting of the audience to accept the plot holes, pacing issues, inane dialogue and general poor story telling. People who say the Acolyte is good baffle me. You cannot do Rashamon with stilted dialogue, hollow characters and holes in the narrative (they stop a ship in space to apprehend the suspect who was identified verbally by a member of another species. Like two FBI agents stopping the correct ship in the Indian Ocean because a bartender in New York gave them a description... and bringing the bartender with them. Ghah!). Anyway, I like your content.
I will say this, but yes, the acolyte never had a chance. When you continue to burn a fan base over and over and over again. Eventually, they’re just going to say to hell with you.
Hey thor. I definitely feel like skeleton crew is geting this treatment as well. Ive seen so many people hating on it fpr no reason. Hell i dont even know what its about.
Part of the problem is that there are _just_ enough bits and pieces of good Star Wars to give credence to the idea that they _could_ make good Star Wars if they wanted to/could be bothered to put in the effort. Once that idea takes hold- and unfortunately Disney's own PR has utterly failed to address it, let alone staunch it- the most positive interpretation is that they're fumbling for a "new" audience that may not exist how they envision them, and the more dismal interpretations suggest they hold their prior fanbase in active contempt.
Hey Thor, do you think Disney wanting to explore the Star Wars gray area would be better explored through the bounty hunters or smugglers rather than Jedi? I remember loving Tales of the Bounty Hunters and Tales from Mos Eisley Cantina back in the day
I got a feeling that the sith in the show Will create life in the main with (thus the blessing) and the process wasnt perfect, creating twins opposed in the Force, light and dark. Darth Plagueis learns this process and perfect It, creating Anakin.
"Never had a fair chance." Of course it did. If the show had turned out to be a well-written, well-acted, and well-directed series, no amount of pre-judgement could have stopped good word of mouth from spreading.
Every time i sign up for Disney i end up watching the same old movies that i already own, their content is generally really poor.. I have not given the Acolyte a chance, i will likely watch it if/when i drop by again (likely once Andor S2 comes out), but really no one is selling me on the damn thing atm..
Just because failure was anticipated for The Acolyte doesn't mean The Acolyte didn't have the chance to be well written and NOT centered on any particular sexuality. Instead of making good content, Disney SW defaults to gas lighting the fans and having their shills do the same. One of the writers of this series has never seen any Star Wars movies or content really that's all that needs to be said That's why the fans hate this because the producers do not love Star Wars.
I have not watched it yet, maybe once all episodes are out I might watch it so I can say I have seen it. But from all I have heard, both from who hate it or find it average, nothing has convinced me this show deserves a "fair chance".
Hey Thor, Like to have some options to talk about. Balance to me is not about being half and half but more like a scale or pendulum. To simplify things think about being sick. Being sick is normal and now the body grows and gets stronger but being sick is a horrible experience to deal with and everyone would like to avoid it at all cost. Being healthy is the most balanced thing to have and getting sick is........normal. The Jedi are like germaphobes so they would try to avoid getting sick and help others to be healthy but result in a weakened immune system. The sith are.....just the opposite where they embrace the sickness and carry many sicknesses just to get stronger but unfortunately spreads the sickness to everyone and calls them weak. When a weak immune system now deals a dangerous disease it has no chance because that immune system was unable to develop a defense to it. Other topic. Anakin never learns to let go. He was told to let go because the jedi wanted him to. They never taught him. So about attachment the more you take away from someone the more attached they will hold on to. He was taken at the age where he grew attachment but he was taken away from it and the more they take the more they continue to hold. Most jedi at the training area are young kids and they would easily learn and copy most adults which is why is my concision why he was too old to train. Its just like how current star wars is now. Like an adult ripping a child's stuff bear and telling them they are too old for it, the child will hold on to the next bear and refuse to let go in fear of having it destroyed.
"The Acolyte never had a fair chance."
It's called pattern recognition.
This.
Prejudice. Yes, I see that.
Some people don't understand what pattern recognition is. They just think it's "unfair" or "judging a product by the trailer, " which is literally what trailers are for.
@@crossfire34 Exactly.
@@conscientiousobjector5988 If you're against pattern recognition, then I have FIVE bridges to sell you 😆
What does a fair chance even mean in this context? The show has the resources of a massive corporate organization behind it, investing in its success. It already has more advantages than most passion projects that go viral. The fans have every right to set whatever standards they want and reject anything that doesn't live up to them.
The audience should have to go through a memory wipe before every new show, so we aren't colored by our expectations
Especially when it's a sequel, reboot, or remake, I mean it's not like the quality of what came before made you want to give this a chance
It's also demonstrates the double standards of Lucasfilm management. They STILL give practically nothing to EU fans (300K strong subreddit) because they're that afraid of and threatened by the EU, but they give High Republic fans (17K strong subreddit) a streaming show worth $180,000,000, even though the books aren't selling that well. And this is why I shy FAR away from Disney Star Wars. They don't care about doing what the fans want, they do what they want.
Why are you being so unfair to the small indie company Disney?
Yep and they couldn’t afford anyone on the team to say Jedis don’t work like that, lightsabers don’t work like that, fire doesn’t work like that… STAR WARS DOESN’T WORK LIKE THAT.
If you get the gift of a project and budget like this and you don’t at least take a few days to learn wtf you’re working on you deserve to be fired.
Your ex burns you over and over again - and you keep going back. And you know what? Maybe she does change for the better a little (Andor)
But then you see the signs again for her reverting to her previous behavior - is it really that bad to step away from her for once?
"People would have hated it even if it was great" - hmm, I guess we'll never know, will we? Let's see if they DO release something great and people still hate it. (People didn't hate Andor...)
Would they have hated it regardless? Some maybe, but a lot of internet reviewer despised the Movie Barbie. and it was the #1 movie of 2023.
Rotten tomatoes 88% and 83%
"As of Macrh 5, 2024, Greta Gerwig's very pink fantasy-comedy "Barbie" (2023) has collected more than 636 million U.S. dollars at the North American box office, garnering a total of 1.45 billion U.S. dollars worldwide. It has instantly become the biggest debut ever for a film directed by a woman."
Barbie: The WOKEST Movie Of The Year??
Barbie is the Most Delusional, Hateful, Woke Film I've Ever Seen
Ben Shapiro DESTROYS The Barbie Movie For 43 Minutes
Don't Take KIDS To The Barbie Movie -- It's WOKE Feminist Propaganda
BARBIE Is Everything Wrong With Hollywood
@@johnbox271 Barbie is a horrible movie. Boring. Dull. Pointless. And it was at the Oscars as if it was something. Btw, Poor Things is horrible too.
@@BuscaLoEsencial Many people didn't like it, but this film was marketed it to an audience that did; and on a $145 million they grossed $1.45 billion so far. That is good business sense.
Can this realistically be said of The Acolyte?
That is because the people who didn’t watch were those like me who were no longer cared about Star Wars altogether so nobody was there to hate watch.
@@johnbox271it made a billion plus and had a 83% audience rotten tomatoes score. I'd say people liked it
When the director tells you long in advance the crap they are putting together obviously contrary to Star Wars canon, they have no right to say it didn’t get a chance.
the most star wars thing they did was stick to their prophecy.
I never gave it a chance, Disney lost me before the Acolyte was even dreamed up. At this point I cant be bothered to have my interest raised by modern Star Wars. If it's ever good again... I'm sure I'll hear about it.
Lost me with the original EU. I don't care what happens in the Disney timeline, I care about the history and mythology of the EU, nothing else.
@@saberiandream316fair.
"You have done that yourself."
- OBI-WAN KENOBI
I was aware of all the red flags that _The Acolyte_ had, and knew it would probably suck… but I was still looking forward to it, and wanted it to be good… and even now, I’m going to finish the season and see if it can redeem itself at all… but yeah, so far it sucks 😑
At this point, I’m not expecting a last episode redemption. My view on finishing the season is to be able to critique it directly and not rely only on generally trusted reviewers on TH-cam.
A lot of us really wanted to love acolyte because of the time in which it took place. It got its fair shot. Can’t wait for andor s2
Same and I love the Sith. I don’t like the Rebels.
And Andor is a far superior show than the Acolyte. I’m more excited for Andor season 2 than this sorry excuse for a Sith story.
It's not a high bar to pass, but you'd be surprised that it is also content to enjoy for the sake of the content. In other words, it's a coping mechanism. It's our Star Wars, we have been there since 1977 to 2012 ('14 if it is the last time we got for EU), so Kennedyfilm stanbase knows nothing about what came before. Dark Forces is the original "Rebels had the plans for the Death Star" as Rogue One is a blatant copy of it, which is not a good look, might I add.
There will be no Andor season 2, and if there is, it will be given to Leslye Headland.
I think this has more to do with a culmination of bad movies and shows, the company insulting fans, creators not caring about the lore, the creator’s vision being retconned and DEI agendas that has people just saying no. We aren’t on board with the approach, or we will forever leave. I myself, feel this way; it was with Obi Wan when I finally said “I’m done” Star Wars was never going to get better. I even wrote off Andor. The only way for me to come back, is a mea culpa from Disney, terminations of KK, Filoni, Headland, all of the story group, full de canonization of the sequels, Obi wan, BoBF, Acolyte, Mando S3, Solo Ahsoka and anything that doesn’t completely ruin canon. I know Rogue One had some differences, but they were mild enough, that I can accept it. The fact that many are united against Disney, will hopefully bring needed change. Though, my terms may still stand.
"The Acolyte never had a fair chance."
...Disney spent more on it than the show about Obi-Wan Kenobi. F*ck off with those takes.
And Kenobi was a total thud too.
My favourite part of Kenobi was when Kenobi forgot that Anakin was Darth Vader and has to be told by Reva😂 Because the Showrunner never watched ROTS and admitted it in an interview after the show came out!😂😢😭 Ahaha f*ckin kill me.
Ironically this supports it never being given a fair chance
Did you watch Obi?
And for such a tiny selection of the fanbase, to boot! High Republic books don't sell great, and there's only 17K users on the High Republic subreddit. Contrast that to the Star Wars EU subreddit, which has 300K users. Tone-deaf AF.
They’ve had since 2012. Don’t gaslight like this series is an isolated event. They couldn’t be more obvious about their contempt or for whom it is held.
James Rolf was vindicated, 2016
@@hellacoorinna9995 James Rolf the AGVN? What did he say?
@@dean_l33
"I won't be watching Ghostbusters 2016"
Because he knew he wouldn't like it.
If people think Acolyte never got a fair chance, you have no one but Disney to blame for this .
Fair enough. I still stand that if this had been released before episode 7, before any damage was done to the brand. And before all the insults and antagonizing people in general. People would be having a very different reaction to this show.
People liked the Force Awakens for god's sake. It was so unoriginal, rehashed episode 4 in a inferior way and doomed the potential of the sequel era by destroying the New Republic for a cheap "shock value".
@@GabrielSoares-zw9khit might have been worse, at least if it was released exactly as it is now.
Now...no
I think you can also pin the blame on the grifters have a hold on things on Disney as well.
Disney certainly deserves blame, maybe most of the blame. However I don't think the attitude of "I'm never going to watch it" while continuing to talk crap about it can be or should be defended either. People who watch it and come away with an opinion have earned the right to that opinion.
1:15 Brie Larson, "Oh, my character dies in the first ten minutes? Ask Carrie-Anne Moss to do it."
If a restaurant has 17 bad reviews out of 20 it might just be the food sucks.
But what if professionals cooking reviewers say Its awesome?
Yet all the tables are crowded.
@@matthewsteele4396 Huh?
@@pabloj.garcia2559they’re pay to play. That doesn’t count. Their whole profession is based off of access.
@@frontierlandfrank5314 An invention without any proof.
If that would be true, the films from big industries always would have good critics. But no, blockbusters get hit by the critics a lot.
No one needs reasons to explain why it's bad. We've all seen great films throughout our lives. It's pretty easy to distinguish between good and bad.
Because fuck the idea of seeing a grey area?
@achaudhari101
Listen, if you enjoy The Acolyte, then by all means, more power to you.
As for me, I know the difference between a plate full of delicious food and a plate full of poop. No matter how many condiments I put on it, it's still gonna taste like poop.
Perhaps if I never saw any great films or even any great Star Wars, then maybe I might be able to watch it. Unlikely. But maybe.
@@20th_century_Ghost You can't think everyone is an angel and a demon in terms of having ulterior motives at times. SW was built on the idea of questioning morality and seeing which side is the best one. Yes we know who's good or bad but ever since the Prequels we should always be aware of that gray area being a point of discussion.
@@20th_century_Ghost Don't feed the troll, friend
@@ian-flanagan Exactly.
It had a fair chance two years ago, before the creatives repeatedly crammed their foot in their mouths, and showed they had disconnected themselves almost completely to how the fanbasse views the franchise in general Legends in particular.
High Republic fans (17K strong subreddit) get a streaming show worth $180,000,000, but EU fans (300K strong subreddit) still don't get new Legends books even after ten years. Lucasfilm is packed by total hypocrites.
@@saberiandream316You need to look up what a hypocrite is.
It never deserved a chance, simple as that. And nothing they make going forward deserves the time of day either.
No cause that's being brain damaged to want Disney dead out of petulant spite.
Yes and no. Acolyte is a Kathleen Kennedy project (The High Republic), and anything associated with her naturally generates negativity.
However, let's not kid ourselves-the creatives attached to this project should not be there. Everything about this, from "not being kind to the Jedi" to the trailers, feels like it was made to subvert our expectations of the lore that has been established for years. It was bound to get some pushback.
But... the damn prequels weren't kind to the jedi! OG Luke isn't kind to the jedi!
What movies were you folks watching?
@@gorsh7870 Ones that didn't blow donkey balls
@@gorsh7870the OT and PT. Which are different films from OT and PT in context of Legends. PT Jedi were wayward, but started to get a clue by end of AotC. And OT? One quote should tell you what those films were going for: "I am a Jedi like my father before me." The idea that Jedi were wrong is authors like Anderson, Karpyshyn, Ostrander, Traviss and Denning missing the point and retconning the lore accordingly.
They dug their own hole
The biggest Star Wars reveal of the Disney Era: Thor Skywalker is a Luke/Mara shipper.😉
Ironic since he is a George Lucas purist who doesn't think the Jedi should form attachments and get married.
@@saberiandream316 Not really. Luke/Mara was developed long before Lucas devised that idea.
And as Jolee Bindo in KOTOR put it, loving without possessiveness, selfless love balanced by due consideration for the demands of duty, should be the goal of the Jedi.
@@reimannsum9077 Thor is a George Lucas purist. It's why he likes Filoni, because he thinks Filoni "honors the canon." Filoni's own past remarks prove otherwise.
What is the difference, really, between hating Dawn of the Jedi because it shows early Je'daii using the dark side, and hating Jedi getting married? Both concepts go against George Lucas's own story.
@@saberiandream316 I think you might be taking this whole thing a little too seriously dude. It's fiction, remember. Also Thor is not a George Lucas purist just because he describes and defines what Lucas and others working with him put down before Disney rewrote it.
gizmod76 said it succinctly..."It's pattern recognition" when it comes to not giving the Acolyte a "chance".
The solution to everyone’s frustration is simple… turn your back on Disney, ignore everything they chuck out, and stick to purity. My Star Wars is 4-6, forever. I don’t need more. If you ignore Disney then Disney Star Wars dies on its own.
There’s only one thing worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about - Oscar Wilde.
Thank God that's not the whole mentality of the fandom because it makes no sense especially since you would want them to do better like how Inside Out 2 has recently been praised.
@@achaudhari101 Only needing 3 quality movies that are beloved to a huge demographic doesn’t make sense to you? Wow… Disney stuff doesn’t make sense to a great many. Better logic. Imagine just how many fans Disney have turned away now… just think…
@@jimbass1968 To say the Prequels are not quality let alone part of non DSW also does not make sense.
As someone who is enjoying The Acolyte so far (not greatly as I did with Andor, but enjoying it nevertheless) YES, YES PLEASE. Do this.
@@achaudhari101 The Prequels had a good story, and a great musical score. The casting was okay. After that, there were some very bad decisions and very poor execution. There were huge backlashes then, I witnessed them. There was good reason for the backlashes, as there’s always a reason behind these things (like Acolyte’s current 14%). The Prequels did in no way match up to the OT. One isolated example of many… the first episode featured political debates and ended with a funeral! The audience left the theatres, not on the usual high they were used to after watching a Star Wars movie. This makes perfect sense. If you’re going to cast someone to play a child that will grow up to be Darth Vader, you need a child actor who can present a haunted quality to represent Anakin, someone who can present a potential darkness, like Haley Joel Osment for example, who shone in The Sixth Sense. Jake Lloyd was an awful choice, with his ‘Mom, I’m home…’ dialogue. Better suited to Jingle all the Way than Star Wars. Lucas had lost his touch by this time, surrounded by ‘yes’ people, having big fat business lunches with other big fat directors. He just didn’t have the magic anymore, or people to challenge his decisions. The OT was made by many, with people that improved on Lucas’ original ideas and expanded them. The Prequels were highly lacking in this, the chemistry was noticeably wrong, the formula was lost.
It makes perfect sense. You don’t understand it, because your rose tinted glasses won’t allow you to be critical to Star Wars, because you’re far too precious about it. You take the PT far more seriously than Lucas ever did.
4:30 also dumb and dumber aka Dave Filoni and Favreau ruined the way Yoda species ages
It's not like Filoni cares about consistency. Only brain-dead morons think he does.
Nah, maybe it’s just canon baby yoda is disabled?
They didn’t. He said he trained Jedi for 800 years.
@@emberfist8347 pretty sure it also said stuff like he became a Jedi master at 100. Which makes sense. No species stays a baby for long.
Time is irreplaceable. If a song doesn't hook me within the first minute. No matter how good it might get afterwards I move on. After that first minute I walk away. Same happened with the acolyte. Gave it 15 minutes it didn't hook me I'm gone.
Like it or not that's my set of standards.
That's pretty standard. I need to be at least at little invested form the start.
Andor didn't hook me in the first two episodes. But it did enough to make me want to watch to keep watching.
It's now my favorite Star Wars content since RotJ.
This show has only made me mad. But I'm still watching because at this point it's hilarious. Like I'm just laughing at it now. And that entertains me.
Funny. I have what I call "the 20-minute rule", where if a movie/show hasn't hooked me within 20 minutes, I turn it off.
The concept that you have to watch anything entirely or else you can’t have an opinion on it is so flawed. Time is valuable and wasting hours on poorly executed stories is not an obligation for audience members.
I for one did not give it a fair chance, or even an unfair one. Just done.
So why are you here then?
Hey Thor,
I majorly agree with the thought that a primary focus of star wars material that's near the time of anakin bringing balance to the force should be being consistent wth and emphasizing the importance of anakin's life and sacrifice. With that in mind, I wonder what kind of star wars stories you not only want to see, but more specifically think should be explored or fleshed out in some kind of more major way, to further the message, solidify the importance of those events, and further the themes of star wars.
For example, I think the time of luke's new jedi order, including ahsoka as essentially the ultimate/purest/white jedi from the old era as well as leia training in the force is something that would be absolutely instrumental into furthering star wars' story and themes. I'm thinking it could be similar to a justice league show or the establishment of the justice league. They of course can't have the main threats be a major force of the sith so I imagine it would be a series more about settling disputes and establishing the ideals of the new jedi as well as dealing with attachments and the true will of the force.
Another idea is that we could have a story of darth plagueis, sidious, or even another sith lord before them and demonstrate the life of a sith apprentice who's living undercover and slowly being swallowed by the dark side. Maybe we could see just how miserable living that way is as well as see the kind of mind games, deception, and competition that the sith lord and his pupil have to deal with in being the only sith in a world of jedi.
I've got a few more ideas but essentially I think these kinds of stories would further develop many of the characters and world that fans are desperate for more exploration of as well as deeply and meaningfully further develop the themes that are universal to star wars as well as help us gain a better understanding of the story so far.
I don’t even wanna see Yoda in this. I don’t trust the writers with that character.
I don’t trust them with any character. They can’t even get their own ones right.
Wanna know what show REALLY never got a fair chance? _Andor._ Fewer people watched that, despite it being one of the best Star Wars shows to come out recently, all because it doesn't have stupid lightsabers and junk.
I've heard very little positive about the Acolyte. If it really was any good, then people would be talking about how good it is, and how it surpassed expectations... But it simply _isn't._ Review bombing or not, the simple fact is most people who DO watch it aren't impressed with it. If Disney wants to succeed, they have to _actually make good shows._
If you think lightsabers are stupid, Star Wars probably isn't for you.
@@irondarwin2483 I don't think lightsabers are stupid, I just think that lightsabers aren't what makes Star Wars _Star Wars._ (ever heard of hyperbole?) That's like saying Pikachu is what makes Pokemon Pokemon... Its simply not true.
I gave it a fair chance and the show has repeatedly destroyed my expectations.
Unlucky you the show is good
It's an unintentional conspiracy to get all the intelligent people back to reading books.
@@JimTempleman No way, have you seen the crap that goes into Disney Star Wars books? A fart wedding and Padme's periods. Even the YA content of the old EU never devolved that low!
@@saberiandream316 Of course one needs to be selective when choosing books.
Disney Star Wars books - I think I will pass on those.
Thank heaven that Hollywood has no control over choosing which books get published!
Dude it's only been 3 episodes we don't even know the whole story recently
The problem with the show is that there are so many stupid scenes where either the dialogue comes off not making sense or a character does something so dumb you question if they think the audience is 7 years old and will think it just makes sense to them….our 7 year old audience. Not to mention they painted a picture of what happened in episodes 1 and 2 that episode 3 only showed what we already knew with no new details that are interesting, but episode 3 made what we already knew look lame like it was supposed to surprise us or something. Then Mae at the end of episode 3 like we were supposed to be surprised she survived it or something? Her being alive was clear before that.
Which leads me to say even if they didn’t have much of a chance beforehand, they complimented the situation with some of the dumbest Star Wars we’ve seen. No blasters or lightsabers which fans love but lots of lame stupidity?
People don’t have a problem with new Starwars being created; they have a problem with old Starwars being destroyed.
Nobody hated the creation of Ray; they hated the destruction of Han and Luke. They also hated the destruction of the entire OT by having Palpatine survive.
Nobody hated the creation of Riva; they hated the destruction of Obi Wan.
Nobody hates the creation of these witches; they hate the destruction of Anakin and the now complete destruction of the Skywalker saga.
They’ve destroyed others along the way, which makes it seem either deliberate or extreme incompetence.
If I had to make one change to the original trilogy, keep boba fett around to the end of return of the Jedi and have him be a hired servant projecting the shield generator at Endor, an use him properly, that would’ve been the only change which would’ve been made for me.
“The Acolyte never had a fair chance”.
Bullshit.
I’d say there is a decent amount of overlap between GoT fans and Star Wars fans; and after the abomination that was season 8 of GoT, the fandom came roaring back for HoTD. Because HoTD is good. The Star Wars fandom wants the same thing and will show up for it. (See Bad Batch)
Now...wrong
This is why I love Thor even when we disagree. He isn't ashamed to genuinely consider perspectives that don't align with his own. Intellectual Proactivity is such a valuable trait
None of that is true though. His entire channel is dedicated to trashing Star Wars, his comments are completely insincere, he takes incredulity and pretends not to understand very simple things, and he deletes comments that challenge him.
Disney had 8 years of “fair chances.” They squandered nearly every single one, with only a handful of exceptions.
They did Obi-wan and Boba Fett that had a lot of room to improve and are still watchable, but besides that, didnt you enjoy Mandalorian, Andor, Rogue One, Bad Batch, Clone Wars S7 or Ahsoka?
@@pabloj.garcia2559 Not really.
@@ALDO_GOODENS I find difficult to be a Star Wars fan and say that, because some of those shows are really good. But ok, maybe Star Wars is not for you anymore. No aggression intended, if you dont enjoy it, maybe you liked the past films because nostalgia or something and now you are a different person. I honestly don't think the problem is Disney doing bad quality content.
@@pabloj.garcia2559 "maybe you liked the past films because nostalgia or something and now you are a different person"
That comment makes no sense at all. We like old Star Wars because it was good and that hasn't changed, it was good when it came out and it still is.
It's Disney that changed Star Wars, not us fans that have somehow changed, because we still like the old stuff just as much.
It had a fair chance with me. If the first few episodes had been well written, well acted, and were telling an appealing story, I’d have stayed locked in.
At this point, I could take it or leave it though. It’s not the worst thing they’ve ever done, but it’s not good, either.
I like the term aggressively mediocre.
I’m 23 and marvel “raised” me but Star Wars it so special nothing will ever top it
The only two changes I would make to the OT would be stormtrooper aiming and have the Ewoks a bit less funny bears.
Stormtroopers had good aim already.
I would remove Leia kissing Luke, maybe the scene of her reminiscing on Padme, and start foreshadowing her being Luke's sister earlier.
Hey Thor regarding your stance on your own objectivity , and fairness . It is my belief that you should embrace your true nature. We have a lot in common I was a cook and restaurant manager for most of my life , as such we are built to analyze and problem solve with the least amount of bias or reactionary emotional response ( not unlike the Jedi )as possible so that our kitchens run smoothly no matter the volume of orders coming in. A good manager has to be dispassionate and measured in order to maintain a rhythm, if you play favorites or get emotional ( anger/ aggression) staff will not respond well and things will fall apart. Balance allows for clarity in both kitchen work and Jedi teaching, so yes you are very fair and objective. What makes you special as a TH-cam critic is that these treats come natural for you.
OK, watching ep 4 it now all makes sense. eps 1-4 are like the Coles notes on a season 1 that we all skipped. Now that the characters and all main plot points are introduced the real story begins.
Are people predisposed to hating disney star wars stuff? Absolutely, but there is a reason, 99% of what they make is corporate DEI trash and people are tired of this, even projects that are light on the matter (furiosa for exemple) bomb because people are so damned tired. At this point disney would need to make several good projects in a row to regain any semblance of reputation. So yes but it is by no coincidence.
I went into the acolyte with an open mind. Despite the rumors, despite controversial takes from Leslie, and despite the greater community’s sensitivity to anything that could be perceived as “woke.” I was ready to love this show, but it failed to meet my most basic expectations. As such Disney is going to lose not just the dollar of one, not just the dollar of two, but the dollar of MANNNNYYYYYY
11:30 I recommend the DragonLance novels for what "too much good" looks like in a world that balances good, evil, and neutral forces. A cataclysm was called down when a good king made demands of the gods to further purge evil from the world. Krynn was bereft of godly magics for centuries as a result.
BS. Capital G Good and Capital E Evil alignments in Dragonlance are just D&D alignments turned into vaguely collectivist and Individualist partisan factions, which is why the Good characters going to extreme are wilfully oppressive and destructive ie. anything but good. They might as well be called Paladinites, Takhisites and Gileanites for the moral weight their alignments hold. Case in point Takhisis not being the arch-villain of the series because she's Evil, but because she's endandering the world by not following The Rules ie slipping from Lawful Evil to Neutral Evil. The whole setting replaces good and evil with Lawful and Chaotic for its moral axis.
Oh and the Gods retreating from the world was them throwing a fit for not stopping a guy Paladine himself continued to give his spells per day until bitter end. Displeasing one's god is outright stated to be a reason for divine casters to lose their mojo, so talk about mixed messages.
5:21 I must met that considering what happened in episode four hearing that everyone in the council might be kept in the dark is ironic.
Hey Thor. What do you think about Leslye Headland’s seemingly intense fascination with the character of Kreia and her desire to explore her story in some on-screen form? I personally think The Acolyte shows Leslye has a fundamental misunderstanding of the narrative purpose Kreia served in KOTOR 2, and I don’t trust current Lucasfilm anywhere near the Old Republic. But, I have to admit I miss seeing characters with such unique perspectives like Kreia’s explored in Star Wars. Would love to hear your thoughts.
They don't care enough about EU fans to give us new books, you sure AF ain't getting an Old Republic show, if anything, Hidalgo's attitude, mocking them for being too small to matter, seems to reveal management attitudes toward EU and Old Republic fans.
Seems like they're taking sole inspiration from the SW Christmas Special these days.
How the hell was Kai- Adi Mundi in this when he clearly stated in TPM his comment about the Sith !
"Once touch the dark side you do, forever does it dominate your destiny" -Yoda
Hey Thor, just curious but are you a fan of The Simpsons? If so, have you seen the episode The Itchy and Scratchy and Poochie Show? I think the exchange between Bart and Comic Book Guy on creators and fans and who owes what is still relevant. I watched that episode on Disney+ the other day and thought of you and your discussions
A company can survive years to come even by releasing bad products, but it won’t withstand mere days with bad publicity.
It’s genuinely a miracle Disney made it this far, they chose to die on this hill and they will get that chance to be so.
Hey Thor, thanks for answering my question! I think you got what I was meaning and I’m not surprised by your answer. Follow up for you, what changes would you make to the prequels?
Hey Thor. While I think you covered a similar question in a previous video, I had a few thoughts/questions relating to attachments and the Jedi Order. For me, attachments do not equal a desire to posses another person. I have always understood that love in its highest and truest form to be sacrificial and inherently unselfish. For example, my parents sacrificed a majority of their free time to raising me and my siblings becuase they loved us and wanted to raise us properly. I’ve also generally understood possession as an unhealthy desire to control or own another person. If this is true, can Jedi form attachments (specifically romantic/familial attachments) in a healthy way? Thank you for all your hard work!
I really wanted this to be good - but also am not surprised and is the final nail
I agree 100%, your channel and others have been using The Acolyte ever since it was announced to create content, most of it with a negative slant. Every rumor and interview about the show became content for you tubers and social media before it ever came out, sooo...what chance did it have if the majority of opinion was already decided?
Problem is no one would listen to or give credence to negative skewed reporting on the show if Lucasfilm under Disney had a good track record. As I tried to say in the video, the ''hatred' towards Disney Star Wars didn't come about for no reason. It came about because many feel what they create, that Star Wars under them, has been bad... and thus they didn't expect The Acolyte to be any different.
I'm glad Yoda and the Jedi Council aren't in this show. It gets freaking old when EVERYTHING needs to have crossover characters and memberberries. Just about the only aspect of The Acolyte I can agree with so far is that they finally have something that stands (or falls) on its own merit and doesn't need to reference other places and people we've already encountered. The galaxy is a HUGE place and it doesn't make any sense that the same half-dozen people would be involved with EVERYTHING that goes on in it.
I remember The Little Platoon saying he went in with such low expectations he actually was positively surprised by some things.
Generally the thing about prejudice is: yes, it can lead to confirmation bias/ selective attention; but it can also be contradicted and lead to a change of opinion.
If it was actually good, there‘d be people saying „wow, I was wrong“.
So sure, people went and expected something bad, and that might be unfair (less towards Star Wars as a brand, and moreso towards producers/ writers, who are actually different people than previous series).
But the writing and quality of a TV show is not an immutable characteristic. It‘s a trend based on connections and regulations within LucasFilm. Patterns are actually applicable here.
I've only seen the first 2 episodes and honestly don't think I will go further than that for awhile, just didnt keep me interested. Saw reviews on episode 3 and I am not interested but turned away from watching it. Last time I ignored reviews on a new Star Wars movie/show resulted in me wishing I never bought Episode 7. Just my opinion which is subjective, always happy to hear why people like shows/movie I don't, keeps me open minded and give second chance.
I don't believe people would hate it this much if none of those interviews happened. I think people would just say "Not good, not bad". Most of the hate videos ive seen on youtube have been really uncharitable, nitpicky and slinged veiled insults at the lesbians (yes for just being gay).
Also hiring Lesley was the worst decision in the world my god
Hey Thor I have a question that’s been on my mind for some time now. Why does everyone get into discussions and arguments with each other of the force in star wars be it the light side or the dark and yet no one ever does this with lord of the rings and ever say say if the Sauron can be redeemed or whatever.
Why does one get talked about so much while the other one is just left alone that no one will touch by comparison?
I really hope you can answer this question.
Even if that is true. They never deserved one. Time and again they have proven the "hate channels" correct.
I hate the argument of "more content = more money" as an excuse for why Disney puts out terrible shows and movies. These shows and movies suck because the people making them suck at their job. Someone who is good at their job could arguably pump out content even faster and with higher quality that would satify fans, meaning more people will watch the content created which means more money for Disney.
I gave it a chance. I had no real expectations, and I was disappointed. Not much more complicated than that really. It was just garden variety bad and uninteresting product.
Hey Thor,
I was wondering if you could explore the idea of “good from a certain point of view.”
I don’t want to go full post-modern in Star Wars, but I do think a degree of ambiguity does not hurt and would even help Star Wars. Not everything has a clear right and wrong answer, and not every action is either good or evil.
Did Obi-Wan lie to Luke, and was this a dark side action? He told the truth…”from a certain point of view.” But that also means he lied from a certain point of view.
Not everything we do to help other people always works out positively. What if, in trying to help a certain people group, we end up making their situation worse? Should we have not tried, should we have thought things through more, or should we have tried to influence multiple groups of people?
Obi Wan, while he had good intentions, was also kinda expectant in a messed-up way in hoping he can train Luke to fix his and Yoda's screwups and be this perfect Jedi to invalidate his failing with Anakin.
Yeah I went into Disney Starwars thinking "it's Disney, they got this." Boy was I wrong.
Gave em plenty of fair chances.
Hey Thor, do you actually think Headland will bring in this season (hopefully the only one) any EU characters, could this acolyte be another student of Tenebrous like Venamis and Plagueis? Would you want this to happen in this series?
"The Acolyte never had a fair chance." There was plenty of red flags before the show ever aired. Some of these include THR era just isn't very popular, according to leaked Book Scan data (a Nielson service for book sales) showed a nearly 90% drop off in readership from the first book to the latest books for when the data was released. There's many interviews with Headland way before the show aired that have troubling statements in them, regardless of her back ground. Her background with Weinstein was always going to be a issue with a high profile project. Plus her previous work doesn't really give any indication that a Star Wars project from her would be any good, it's quite a different category to her normal area. While she says she's a massive fan it some how comes off as fake, it may be true she's a massive fan but to many it doesn't feel that way. Then there was the horrendous interviews way back at Celeberation that got openly mocked and the press tour just before he show ever aired had some real train wreck moments in it too eg Charlie Barnett saying Anakin blew up the Death Star twice in two different interviews on different days which just made him come off as a try hard wannabe fan.
“Fair chance” for Disney Star Wars ended years ago. The show deserves no respect or thought because it goes against established cannon and lore.
Hey Thor, the day I saw your dingaling, it's changed my mindset of my dingaling. I'm now in competition to make my dingaling bigger than yours.
The latest High Republic novel Temptation of the Force actually does explore the idea that Jedi who embrace their "loves and bonds" (as one of the questions was about) do become stronger for the. And it does so very well! One of my favorite Star Wars books now.
Hey Thor, you mentioned the concept of a balance in the force: it’s a philosophical question, but you think goodness can exist in a world without evil? You don’t think evil is necessary for good(ness) to shine? I always wondered about the interpretation of the “balance in the force” concept myself and at first I was in line with your view on the matter, I do think the universe is a result of negative and positive particles/waves/concepts or forces, balancing each other out constantly. Why wouldn’t this apply to “the force”?
Hey Thor,
When I first heard about the Acolyte I had hoped it would be a story about Darth Bane, the down fall of the Sith and the creation of the rule of two.
Lucas Film could've even followed the bad guy for this movie which would be new. If they wanted to subvert expectations they could've even made Darth Bane a Jedi that fell during the eradication of the Sith and he gets enamored with the Sith secretly throughout the war. At some point he finally tries to convince the Sith to go to the rule of two, they reject him and are killed and then he carries on having stolen all their teachings before they were destroyed and then we see him with his own acolyte which could be the word for a Sith apprentice. BAM end credits.
Thoughts?
Considering the sheer amount of dislike and mistrust that came from the Last Jedi, hiring a show runner, that was the former PERSONAL assistant of a convicted woman abuser, screaming feminism and LBGTQ+ rights, was a pretty dumb idea… All things considered…
And Headland was never a fan of Star Wars, no matter what lies that woman spins to help her sleep at night…
Ironically, I operate on the 3 episode rule; if I don’t vibe with/like a show by the 3rd episode I call it quits. Oh and would you look at that, episode 3 of The Acolyte and... If I hear it gets better I may give it a second try. But this is Disney Star Wars, the likelihood of that is slim.
I never got that rule. If a tv executive only gets one episode to decide if they should greenlight a show so should O have one episode to judge a show.
@@emberfist8347 that’s fine, lol! It’s a rule I first began to apply to anime shows when I spent way too much time explaining to a friend why [redacted] wasn’t bad. There’s a reason pilot episodes should be pilot episodes. Not some amalgam of arrest plot/prison break/upholding “laws bad” flapjack of a story. If you shout about everything at once; you might as well be shouting at ghosts. Also, lip service accomplishes nothing.
Edit: not you “you” just an abstract (you) insert, sorry lol
I think Disneys problem is, that they try to hard to target specific audiences instead of just telling a good story it has to be twisted into a lesson. All that is missing is the skit at the end, like in the 80s/90s cartoons, where He-Man Cpt. Planet or Mr. T had to spell out the lesson of the respective episode. I am half expecting for Osha or Master Sol to do this after an Acolyte episode. It is like they think of a topic and force it into existing lore stories and charcters even if it breaks everything including the immersion.
In the words of John Wick.
"Consequences"
Disney lost my trust when they blamed the fans for its failures.
Haven’t looked back since. They would need to do a significant amount to make me even think about trusting them again.
Hey Thor, something that has always bothered me about the Prequels is the size of the Clone Army. In Episode 2, it's stated 200k units ready with a million more well on the way. That's an earth size army. In fact, there are a couple million man standing armies here on earth. To me, that seems way too small to fight 10,000 plus systems worth of separatists across an entire galaxy. What're your thoughts?
The EU spent years addressing that. Short version the Clones were the spearhead of the Republic army supported by various planetary security forces made of birth-born beings.
So if it is the Mother behandling the mask. That means she took all the witches life-energy, to become "the power of the many".
It would explain the power showing at the end of episode 4?
I was willing to give it a fair shake. But then a Jedi died after getting stabbed by a cheese knife.
I was done with the show after that. Seriously. There's no coming back from that after you've shown lightsaber stabbings to be non fatal.
Because her getting stabbed in the heart is somehow lore breaking? Besides we have seen lightsabers still kill people.
It never had a fair chance. And it never deserved one. Disney star wars doesn't get the benefit of the doubt anymore.
Maybe we don’t give it a chance because when the show is announced, the writers and directors immediately tell us fans that we’re going to be bigots and racists if we don’t like it. Even if we don’t know what the story is about yet. We are already labeled a this-a-phobe or that-a-phobe.
I think you’re the most fair and I appreciate your subjective opinion. I don’t even really care about Star Wars at this point, but I like listening to your thoughts.
Hey Thor, about that line of Palpatine saying "good is a point of view." Obviously in the context of that scene he is trying to manipulate Anakin and yes, Palpatine is the bad guy so we shouldn't be listening to him too literally however I don't think the phrase in a vacuum is COMPELTELY wrong.
For example, to paraphrase another TH-camr I watch "a lion killing impala is obviously bad from the impala's perspective but think of the starving lion cubs back at the den." There are other examples I can think of like say, a fisherman catching a bunch of fish is obviously bad from the fish's perspective but what about the fisherman's responsibility to feed himself, his family and support his community. Or say you're in a plane falling from the sky and the oxygen masks come down and some people around you are struggling to get theirs on. Obviously, you'd have to get your own on first before you can even think about helping someone else. In other words, you're putting your own needs above the needs of someone else or you know, being selfish.
The point I'm trying to make here is even though that line in the context of the movie is obviously bad, it's not universally bad and I believe could be properly applied in other contexts. To me "good is a point of view" doesn't and shouldn't mean doing evil things should be treated as good things because somebody says so, it should mean that things such as context and the lense from which we view actions and events can and will affect how we judge them. Maybe I'm not making sense, maybe I'm missing something obvious here, but if you ever see this comment I'd like to know what you think.
RE: Air mask on airline is a bad example. You can pass out FIRST if you try putting oxygen masks on other people before you wear one yourself. You cannot save anyone if you're unconscious.
Good and Bad comes from society, as the rules we agree on to benefit everyone. Lions and impala have wants, but not society (so no morality).
As an atheist, I don't think the act of murder angers some deity, or breaks some objective celestial rule, but it means people in your town trust each other less, and so help each other and trade with each other less. People spend time and money on self-protection, instead of other tasks. The town becomes poorer.
So yes, it's pretty subjective, but 1) everyone in the society agrees that murder is banned. And 2) pretty much every society on Earth came to the same conclusion.
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As evolution proves, changing circumstance/environments require changing solutions. E.g. sex before marriage was once "wrong", quite rightfully), but now it's not, (quite rightfully), but I don't think it's fair to suggest that morality is subjective... it's based on quite concrete circumstances.
Just finished Tales of the Empire. THAT I loved!
The thing about the "Star Wars is for kids" line. We need to remember that was said by George when he was facing some pretty hard criticism for the prequels, especially for Jar Jar. In some of the interviews from that time you can see how defensive he was being (Jar Jar's accent was drawing some real fire). However, it has never really been true. George has said he was inspired by old serials like Flash Gordan. Those things were "suitable for children" but were not "made for kids." To say that they should be judged like kid's movies is just more gaslighting of the audience to accept the plot holes, pacing issues, inane dialogue and general poor story telling. People who say the Acolyte is good baffle me. You cannot do Rashamon with stilted dialogue, hollow characters and holes in the narrative (they stop a ship in space to apprehend the suspect who was identified verbally by a member of another species. Like two FBI agents stopping the correct ship in the Indian Ocean because a bartender in New York gave them a description... and bringing the bartender with them. Ghah!). Anyway, I like your content.
"...when nothing in the actual trailer warrants it"
According to whom? You say "tomato", I say "steaming bowl of sewage".
Thank you for the channel.
I remember when a lot of people hated the Ewoks…some still do😂
I will say this, but yes, the acolyte never had a chance. When you continue to burn a fan base over and over and over again. Eventually, they’re just going to say to hell with you.
Hey thor. I definitely feel like skeleton crew is geting this treatment as well. Ive seen so many people hating on it fpr no reason. Hell i dont even know what its about.
it had a fair chance to change our minds. and to be fair there’s 5 episodes left to do just that
Part of the problem is that there are _just_ enough bits and pieces of good Star Wars to give credence to the idea that they _could_ make good Star Wars if they wanted to/could be bothered to put in the effort. Once that idea takes hold- and unfortunately Disney's own PR has utterly failed to address it, let alone staunch it- the most positive interpretation is that they're fumbling for a "new" audience that may not exist how they envision them, and the more dismal interpretations suggest they hold their prior fanbase in active contempt.
Hey Thor, do you think Disney wanting to explore the Star Wars gray area would be better explored through the bounty hunters or smugglers rather than Jedi? I remember loving Tales of the Bounty Hunters and Tales from Mos Eisley Cantina back in the day
I got a feeling that the sith in the show Will create life in the main with (thus the blessing) and the process wasnt perfect, creating twins opposed in the Force, light and dark. Darth Plagueis learns this process and perfect It, creating Anakin.
"Never had a fair chance."
Of course it did. If the show had turned out to be a well-written, well-acted, and well-directed series, no amount of pre-judgement could have stopped good word of mouth from spreading.
Every time i sign up for Disney i end up watching the same old movies that i already own, their content is generally really poor..
I have not given the Acolyte a chance, i will likely watch it if/when i drop by again (likely once Andor S2 comes out), but really no one is selling me on the damn thing atm..
Just because failure was anticipated for The Acolyte doesn't mean The Acolyte didn't have the chance to be well written and NOT centered on any particular sexuality. Instead of making good content, Disney SW defaults to gas lighting the fans and having their shills do the same. One of the writers of this series has never seen any Star Wars movies or content really that's all that needs to be said That's why the fans hate this because the producers do not love Star Wars.
And where does the whole show currently hyper focus on a particular sexuality?
I have not watched it yet, maybe once all episodes are out I might watch it so I can say I have seen it. But from all I have heard, both from who hate it or find it average, nothing has convinced me this show deserves a "fair chance".
Hey Thor,
Like to have some options to talk about. Balance to me is not about being half and half but more like a scale or pendulum. To simplify things think about being sick. Being sick is normal and now the body grows and gets stronger but being sick is a horrible experience to deal with and everyone would like to avoid it at all cost. Being healthy is the most balanced thing to have and getting sick is........normal. The Jedi are like germaphobes so they would try to avoid getting sick and help others to be healthy but result in a weakened immune system. The sith are.....just the opposite where they embrace the sickness and carry many sicknesses just to get stronger but unfortunately spreads the sickness to everyone and calls them weak. When a weak immune system now deals a dangerous disease it has no chance because that immune system was unable to develop a defense to it.
Other topic. Anakin never learns to let go. He was told to let go because the jedi wanted him to. They never taught him. So about attachment the more you take away from someone the more attached they will hold on to. He was taken at the age where he grew attachment but he was taken away from it and the more they take the more they continue to hold. Most jedi at the training area are young kids and they would easily learn and copy most adults which is why is my concision why he was too old to train. Its just like how current star wars is now. Like an adult ripping a child's stuff bear and telling them they are too old for it, the child will hold on to the next bear and refuse to let go in fear of having it destroyed.