What always impresses me about stories from Western history is how intensely personal it all is. In Eurasia, wars were fought between armies numbering in the tens or hundreds of thousands. In the Wild West, and especially on the plains, warfare was most often a scrap between no more than a few dozen individuals.
Very often, the numbers were in the hundreds and even the low thousands. Many native tribes fought each other constantly. There are many instances. One example. The Massacre Canyon battle took place in Nebraska on August 5, 1873 near the Republican River. It was one of the last hostilities between the Pawnee and the Sioux (or Lakota) and the last battle/massacre between Great Plains Indians in North America.[2] The massacre occurred when a large Oglala/Brulé Sioux war party of over 1,500 warriors led by Two Strike, Little Wound, and Spotted Tail attacked a band of Pawnee during their summer buffalo hunt. In the ensuing rout, more than 150 Pawnees were killed. The victims, who were mostly women and children, suffered mutilation, and some were set on fire.
@@mikejohnson479 This is true. The part that strikes me is that a few hundred people being massacred would be completely insignificant in Eurasia, but in the Americas it's huge. Stories on a very small scale carry a lot of weight in the Wild West.
@5h0rgunn I completely agree with that. Many tribes lived on the edge of oblivion, even without conflict with settlers. The difficulty of native life and the often endless warfare kept populations low. Tribes would often adopt people, often kidnapped, from other tribes, Mexicans, or European colonists into the tribe to help bolster numbers.
I found this historical account to be fascinating. The fact Jack received a gift of a golden spoon. In the mail upon his sons birth. Sent by a Chief of the tribe he fought. That truly shows the respect between true warriors. 💪🏻🙏🏻✨
Well as a European that descended from tough as nails Texas rangers.... I don't respect the tribes. Especially comanchees. They were brutal and intensely warlike. They tortured small babies and animals and whoever they caught as POW. They did not respect nature whatsoever. Whatever noble savage myth you believe in just know it was concocted by Disney
Enjoyed the history lesson on the Comanches and Jack Hayes. I was born and raised in Texas and have hiked on Enchanted Rock, I need to correct one portion of your story. Enchanted rock is granite, not sandstone. Specifically pink granite...the same variety that was used to construct our Texas State capitol building in 1888. The granite was not taken from Enchanted Rock to build the state capital, but was donated by the owners of Granite Mountain near Marble Falls.
As a native Austinite I appreciate you correcting it, other than this it was an excellent video. To this day Hays County is a holdout of southwestern Freedom. I am one county over in Bastrop County and it’s seemingly falling to the Californication of Austin :/
Well done H.O.K.C. I'm Australian, and first came to enjoy frontier history through the novels of Larry McMurtry. But to the question: Was Hays an intruder? Yes, but no more than the Comanche at another time. The way I see it, people in general, do what's of benefit to them at the time and it's up to the historians to argue over the rights and wrongs of the actions. It's a pity, so much of modern history is tainted with personal prejudice and an unwillingness to 'walk in another's shoes'. Any 'ow, keep up the good work.
Actually, traditional historian, such as Edward Gibbon does not judge history but reports it. Lately, biases among historians have harmed the discipline and society.
Everything is bigger in Texas and that was one Texas sized rock fight! Hayes is a legend here. On par with Travis & Crockett. I love that most Texas heroes of the time came from elsewhere and helped define what it is to be Texan. Both Hayes & Crockett were born in Tennessee. The Comanches too deserve much respect. Well done.
@@historyattheokcorral Why don't you tell some Real History like the Massacre of 60k Comanche Women And Children in A Mass Grave At Fort Sill Oklahoma Still today??? -COMANCHE NATION
@@johnclark1612 yep, I was always an Indian. We lived in the middle of Texas history. San Saba mission was just outside of town on the river. I once found a 10 gauge shotgun in a field after a rainstorm. The stock was rotted off, so it had to be 100 years old. We would always find arrowheads after rainstorms and places by the river where the Comanches camped. Those grinded out rocks they used to grind corn.
From what I have read from a book written by one of Jack Hays companions Jack was not initially a Texas Ranger. Instead he was a survey party member at a time of overwhelming Comanche incursions and raids. One reason Comanche raids were so frightening was their great speed of archery attacks. Overwhelming the the pitifully slow rate of fire from the guns at the time. Jack discovered the Patterson revolvers that could have multiple preloaded cylinders creating overwhelming firepower that could overwhelm the Comanchies rates of arrow attacks. Once the success of his tactics with his firearm was noted, the men in his surveying company got him to order a lot more Patterson revolvers. They were then so successful fighting Comanche requests for their protection came from all over. They became known as Texas Rangers because they ranged all over Texas. And so badges, and an organization grew. And that is the story I was told.
@@StuartBailey-re4mh That is interesting, I had not heard that. May I ask was there a source book for that info that I might be interested in readying?
Sounds plausible but unlikely the Rangers were surveyors turn lawmen. More likely, these young tough’s were sent out with a knowledgeable surveyor and received fast and furious OJT.
My reading was some time ago, and there were several books involved. One was San Antonio To San Francisco With Texas Ranger Jack Hays by John Nugent. Without re-reading it, I am not entirely sure, but I believe that I drew from that book somewhat in my previous remark.
As a Texan I appreciate the Comanche as our constant war with each other hardened us both and as a Texan, help us reinforce the “victory or death” mentality
Jack Hays was a-man to be reckoned with and a western legend. I have hiked up and down and around Enchanted Rock many, many times. At that time I did not know of Hays’ adventure on the rock. Thanks for adding to my Texas knowledge.
This is one of the best, historically accurate, colorful and factual videos I have ever seen, and we make them! The narration was absolutely beautiful and the scenes, Texas Ranger photos, Catlin and other artist depiction of Indians were well done. Kudos from a Jack Hays fan, from deep in the heart of Texas where Captain Jack hung out: San Antonio.
I heard this account was one of the reasons Hays sent Samuel walker to meet Samuel Colt and make a new pistol which would be later called the Colt Walker- it was from this experience at enchanted rock the hays wanted his rangers to have a 6 shot, and larger caliber bullet - “ship them all to the republic of Texas” and it was that order that pulled Colt out of near bankruptcy
Great presentation. I had no idea of the historical significance of Enchanted Rock. Decades ago my dad & I drove to Texas & camped out at a number of places, 1 being Enchanted Rock. We figured it must of had some spiritual significance at some point to native tribes of the region simply based on its unusual appearance & name. The place certainly holds a peculiar unique vibe & at night was very eerie.
Had the opportunity back in Fall of '20 to go hike and be immersed in the beauty of this magnificent monolith. Was my sister and I; when I got to the top, I felt on top of the world. And I realized, no wonder the native inhabitants felt such a strong connection to the rock and what magic it had; it's beautiful and if you ever get the opportunity, please go visit and hike. They also have an evening hike where you can see the stars; 1 day I'd love to experience thar for myself. And this story, it's q of my favorite, told my sister this and she never knew it. She asked me, wonder what he was feeling and experiencing in that moment; was he scared? Did he think he'd survive?
for the final question, as a military serviceman myself, sometimes an aging warrior comes to understand his former more enemy than his civilian countryman who have not known battle, but only play at it. the civilians will tell stories and pronounce judgements upon subjects they are clueless about, but the warrior knows what other warriors have endured and thus have a greater kinship. a fellow warrior is a fellow warrior. a patch on our arms, and rich men far away determine if we are friends or foe on any given day.
Although he couldn't stop speeding train, or leap a tall building in a single bound, Jack Hays was a man of steel. Buffalo Hump must have recognized that.
Great tale about Texas Ranger Jack Hays. I already was aware of the reputed fierceness and horsemanship of the Comanche warriors. It is gratifying indeed to see that comparable warlike and capable men were found within the Texas Rangers.
Hays County in Texas was named after Texas Ranger John Coffee Hays. The county seat is San Marcos, about 50 miles north of San Antonio, my hometown. I've climbed Enchanted Rock just a couple times, on my way to and from Fredericksburg. It's more of a walk up the hill, not very steep. The story I heard was the rock was called "Enchanted" because at night -- when everything is quiet -- a humming sound can be heard coming from it. So native tribes believed it was possessed. I heard a scientific explanation for the sound but don't recall what it was. Anyway, fascinating account and excellent work on the video
The dome is full of cracks and the wind whistles through them. For a real adventure, crawl through the cracks in the dome, in one side and out the other. That''s probably AGAINST THE RULES now.
Words change meaning over time. While now a cartridge is a self contained round of ammunition, back then a cartridge was separate loading with a lead bullet, powder in a paper cone on the butt that doubled as a wad, then a percussion cap, or flint. In fact, Zig Zag shows a French Zouave using a paper rifle "cartridge"as a cigarette.
@@jamesbailey9140 , But the Colt Paterson did not take a cartridge did it? No it did not. The powder was put in the chamber, then a round ball, then packed down, then when all chambers loaded, grease over the chambers to avoid more than one chamber firing. Then the caps were applied. My OP is correct. The pistol in question did not take a cartridge.
@@samuelschick8813 It seems that type was loading was done when paper cartridges containing powder weren't available. It came about in the same time frame as the Paterson. But yes. The cap was separate. So it was still a separate loading round vs center or rimfire self contained cartridges. firearmshistory.blogspot.com/2015/11/
Enchanted Rock is a granite monolith, not limestone. It actually uplifted and pushed the limestone into an erosional environment. Leaving granite rock poking up through the limestone of the area.
Thank you! The detail of geology that was in error in this video ruined the whole validity of the info for me. Also, Ranger Jack Hays married a lady, Susan Calvert who I am proud to have blood relation to. 😊
@@freddileehowell8688 My soulmate was the great grandson of Capt. Jack. Susan was a lovely woman. My sweetie looked like Capt. Jack. I superimposed their photos, and it’s remarkable. He said his grandmother always told him growing up, “You’re the spit and image of my Daddy.”
The first comment I read was the correction about the pink granite. The channel owner was a total jerk to the one guy about it, saying “nobody cares about the stupid rocks” because “a million other people” have pointed out the wrongs. But he’s wrong there; I care. I care a lot about the details. And what’s “stupid” isn’t the rocks far as I’m concerned. I’m unsubscribed as of now. I’ve seen too many discrepancies on this channel in details, and calling people out like that is tacky, last time I looked.
Well…upon hearing some of this Texas history it makes me understand just how much my Texas school teachers failed to teach us about much of our Texas history. I have heard about Jack Hayes before just in passing, but really never knew about the Enchanted Rock story which is just one story that went untold in any of my history classes.
@@RogerCharlamange Im sorry Andy, you missed an important memo. We are at war. The reason why kids are told white people bad, is because an entity is using this narrative as a weapon. (and they have many other weapons)
Well.... I certainly admire his grit. I've known about this gentleman for some time now but now I'm going to have to look into his story a bit more. Brave man. Warriors always respect other warrior's spirit. Warriors are cut from the same cloth.
An excellent presentation. I enjoyed the history and development of the Comanche and the Texas Rangers. Another aspect I really enjoyed was the detailing of the weapons used and what advantages and limitations they gave Jack Hayes in his fight with the Comanche. Please continue this as it is often overlooked on other history channels. The old language used in your narration was also evocative and pleasing to hear.
Bravery is a quality universally respected and admired but particularly from those who have a martial traditions like the Comanche. The Crow believed that a formidable enemy was a reflection on how great their tribe was. Maybe it was the same for the Comanche in regards to Jack Hays. In any event, honoring and respecting one's enemy to that extent is historically uncommon. Very interesting video.
So much better than Hollywood westerns . This grips me. I feel I’m up on that rock with Haynes. The sweat, the adrenaline, the fear, the brutality, the smell of your own hideous death inches away. What a time.
Mr Hays was a Legendary frontier man, I admit I did know until I discovered this channel and a few others like it. May be owned by the same person. A huge Floridian Thank you!
There’s a story during WWII of an army patrol rolling to a French town with Nazi Wehrmacht lined up in surrender. Upon interrogation, the Nazis misunderstood the Army Rangers that were inbound were in fact Texas Rangers, so they decided they were better off surrendering
@zizo 246 The mythos of Texas is easily dismissed by those not blessed with the grace of being born there. Amother story I would relate here is one attributed to W D I Norris of Mexia Texas. Oilmen traveling to far off and distant lands would usually have problems communicating with the locals. One action that they would take was universally understood. If they drew an outline of Texas in the sand even young children understood those men were there to drill for oil which would eventually improve their life and not to loot, rob or kill them.
Apparently the name 'Comanche' stems from a bastardisation of the word, 'Ki matsi': Pueblo language= 'Those who are always against us'; 'Enemy people'. They got that one spot on for sure! Always a pleasure to kick-back and enjoy another of your videos in peace. Please keep up your great work.
There may not be a friendship between them, but there is a respect between warriors such that they will give gifts to one another if they feel the opponent is honorable!
Hayes was the embodiment of American Spirit of Adventure Courage Combat and Exploration!! A True Legacy of a Real Life American Hero! A True Warrior!! Loved by his friend s and comrade s and Respected by his enemies! He lead and extraordinary excitingly fulfilling life of a Outdoorsman!!
I'm about 40 miles North of Enchanted Rock,,,,,,our Ranch has Comanche Creek running thru it, I have found arrow heads,,,,,,a Friend found a huge Lance Head and i found a fleshing rock. Its super cool,,,fits right in your palm,,,,they used these to flesh animal hides. Captain Jack,,, Brave to much . A Man's man
Thanks for sharing this account of Jack Hays defending his position atop Enchanted Rock. I've had the pleasure of reading the plaque near the top of Enchanted Rock with an inscription of his account of the defense.
I've read everything I've been able to get my hands on that dealt with Ranger history. Jack Hays and his close associate, Samuel Hamilton Walker, were legendary leaders whose reputations were born from, and grew out of, the very difficult and often hostile environment that was the Republic of Texas in the 1830's and 40's. This account is spot on, and a wonderful initial foray into Ranger and Texas history for the newcomer.
The preamble history you provide is perhaps more important than the subject. Few today realize that Indians were violent and most had displaced others who had displaced others before them. Just like in the rest of the world throughout history, until technology made it more difficult and nations came into being. Then, the nations had to find how to live in peace. They are still working it out because some are still tribal in their thinking.
We weren't pushed out by anyone! We had a dispute with 2 sides of Shoshone, We decided to break off back down South, obtained to horse from the Spanish in Colorado/N. New Mexico, became the most powerful Tribe for over 200 years! I say "Back" down South because We're Uto-Aztecan!
Absolutely, this vision of Comanche in the Northern Rockies grubbing for roots and berries, and eating meat from dead carcasses is racist to the core (and highly inaccurate). The evidence is quite clear--that the Comanches moved south to get closer to Mexican horse herds and set up the "horse conveyor" from Mexico to the northern Plains. It was a bold "economic" decision, not the result of hunger and poverty and stronger tribes pushing them anywhere. Current definitions call Comancheria an "empire". That is far closer to the reality than the "bloodthirsty savages" presentation in this and other portrayals such as the claptrap in Gwynne's book (upon which this video is based).
Hello folks always cool to learn and hear about the Nemen'ah and this time in Texas. Hayes was the roughly base of the captain in Comanche Moon by McMurtry...I don't want to know where this golden spoon was coming from and I wonder if there was only one Buffalo Hump at this time..Hayes had to be replaced in the lexicon and wikipedia's for really tough badass! The picture you show is Q.Parker, the pictures of Buffalo Hump I own are all not that proved...God's Blessings from Northern Germany. Ludwig.
Actually the 1836 Colt Patterson .36 cal was loaded via cylinder face with a 17grain charge of fine grade granulated blackpowder, wad, followed by a Greased conical or other projectile(s) before the cylinders capped off with percussion caps. later, nitrated paper enveloped powder/wad/projectile "cartridges" were introduced to speed up reloading.
Great Video, one inaccuracy, Stephen F Austin passed away in December of 1836. He couldn’t have sent Hays on his mission and it is doubtful given the timelines he ever met him.
I absolutely love this story. And very well told the only critique I have is enchanted rock is made out of pink granite, not lime stone . Been there many times. Thank you for such good story telling.
Many South Carolinians came to Texas as well. Nearly a dozen defended the Alamo , many more settled there after both before the war between the states and after when men like the legendary Manse Jolly came to Texas from the palmetto state
Great video, but I think Enchanted Rock is granite, not limestone... maybe not important to anyone else lol, but granite is really uncommon in Texas, but limestone is everywhere.
There is good book on this subject: Empire of the Summer Moon. It details Comanche, Texican, and Texan contact including the advent of the Texas Rangers. It also tells the story of Quanah Parker, a leader of the Comanche in their last days of freedom. He was the half Comanche, half Anglo son of Sarah Parker who had been taken captive as a young girl. The Texas Rangers are credited with reinventing mounted warfare with the new Colt revolvers. They had corresponded with Samuel Colt himself and contributed feedback on the pistols. Typically Texans would dismount and fight from the ground with their muzzleloaders. We owe the Texas Rangers and Samuel Colt for the quintessential mounted gunfights we see in so much of Western lore.
Gwynne's book is highly sensationalistic, bigoted, and inacccurate. If you want accuracy and an unbigoted portrayal, then read Pekka Hamalainen's "Comanche Empire". White not perfect, it is a thousand times more accurate than Gwynne's racist claptrap
For those of you who do not know. There is a cave system at the top of Enchanted Rock, where you can take a guided tour. IT IS NOT IMPROVED! You will need to be fairly physically fit, and there are no lights so every one will need their own flashlight. Many times you will be on your knees, or climbing up. ( We took a group of boy scouts through ), so it's not really difficult unless you're heavy. This was the best caving experience I've ever had. I don't know if the tour is still available, but I recommend it if it is.
Being brave and cool headed is probably more valuable than physical strength. Hays and these guys had balls of steel. By the way, the picture you show when mentioning Buffalo Hump is actually Quanah Parker
the colt paterson was also a percussion cap muzzle loader -it did not use catriges firearm the same as the rifles - the only difference being you preloaded 5 shots into the cylinder - and you could carry spare cylinders
Because of the gun, the conflicts on the Wild West plains were so personal and small numbered, when compared to the conquests of early Europe, ME, and Asia, fought by the blade.
Off topic from the video, could you do a video about the Reynolds gang and Colorado during the Civil War? Also I think that Hays and Buffalo Hump's relationship was built on a mutual respect for each other's abilities as warriors. I don't think there was any hatred between them just mutual admiration between adversaries. Enemies are those you hate, adversaries are those you must fight.
I finally subscribed to HOKC. Now, I have a suggestion: How about an episode on the First and Second Battles of Pyramid Lake in Nevada? Why? Captain Jack, of course!
I re-read the rendition of this story in Prescott's THE TEXAS RANGERS for about the tenth time while sitting in the rock cleft that I guessed Hays had used as an enfilade. Enchanted Rock is a granite mound rising out of the green hills of central Texas. When the breeze blows through your hair on top of that rock, spirits from centuries bygone whisper in your ear. Even in bright hot sunshine, it's quiet and spooky up there.
It's good to visit some of the sights Jack Hayes was involved with, especially if you're one of the many Texans with ancestry here. I have ancestry to both sides. Cynthia Ann Parker in the branch that wasn't in Texas at the time, and ancestry to grandchild of Quanah and Cynthia Ann Parker.
Thanks for the story. I have heard it before but your version gave much more detail. My daughter can see Enchanted Rock from her back porch; she and her husband love the view. I have climbed the Rock a number of times--great view from the top.
Jack Hayes is a legend. It had to be a rough time to live, but he accomplished so much. Thank you for this great telling of history, I was never taught in school. You do that beautifully!
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What always impresses me about stories from Western history is how intensely personal it all is. In Eurasia, wars were fought between armies numbering in the tens or hundreds of thousands. In the Wild West, and especially on the plains, warfare was most often a scrap between no more than a few dozen individuals.
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Very often, the numbers were in the hundreds and even the low thousands. Many native tribes fought each other constantly. There are many instances. One example. The Massacre Canyon battle took place in Nebraska on August 5, 1873 near the Republican River. It was one of the last hostilities between the Pawnee and the Sioux (or Lakota) and the last battle/massacre between Great Plains Indians in North America.[2] The massacre occurred when a large Oglala/Brulé Sioux war party of over 1,500 warriors led by Two Strike, Little Wound, and Spotted Tail attacked a band of Pawnee during their summer buffalo hunt. In the ensuing rout, more than 150 Pawnees were killed. The victims, who were mostly women and children, suffered mutilation, and some were set on fire.
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This is true. The part that strikes me is that a few hundred people being massacred would be completely insignificant in Eurasia, but in the Americas it's huge. Stories on a very small scale carry a lot of weight in the Wild West.
@5h0rgunn I completely agree with that. Many tribes lived on the edge of oblivion, even without conflict with settlers. The difficulty of native life and the often endless warfare kept populations low. Tribes would often adopt people, often kidnapped, from other tribes, Mexicans, or European colonists into the tribe to help bolster numbers.
@@mikejohnson479
Fine line between adopt and enslave.
I found this historical account to be fascinating. The fact Jack received a gift of a golden spoon. In the mail upon his sons birth. Sent by a Chief of the tribe he fought. That truly shows the respect between true warriors. 💪🏻🙏🏻✨
This is a complete made up fabrication.
Please come to the Comanche Nation Complex in Lawton Oklahoma to hear some real history
-COMANCHE NATION
@@thechiefwildhorse4651 thank you for the clarification. 💪🏻🙏🏻✨
Totally awesome (gold spoon)
Was the respect returned?
You cant, not respect men you fight against. if you dont you are killed.
As a Lakota, I have mad respect for the Comanche and Texas Rangers. Old west legends by their right.
Mad respect to the Lakota as well.
Comanches were some bad boys. Much respect.
Well as a European that descended from tough as nails Texas rangers.... I don't respect the tribes. Especially comanchees. They were brutal and intensely warlike. They tortured small babies and animals and whoever they caught as POW. They did not respect nature whatsoever. Whatever noble savage myth you believe in just know it was concocted by Disney
Enjoyed the history lesson on the Comanches and Jack Hayes. I was born and raised in Texas and have hiked on Enchanted Rock, I need to correct one portion of your story. Enchanted rock is granite, not sandstone. Specifically pink granite...the same variety that was used to construct our Texas State capitol building in 1888. The granite was not taken from Enchanted Rock to build the state capital, but was donated by the owners of Granite Mountain near Marble Falls.
As a native Austinite I appreciate you correcting it, other than this it was an excellent video. To this day Hays County is a holdout of southwestern Freedom. I am one county over in Bastrop County and it’s seemingly falling to the Californication of Austin :/
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Not to mention, that granite pluton contains thousands of tons of Garnet. And the creek has gold dust. Just don't mine any in the park lol
That Pink Granite is unique to the Marble Falls area and one specific quarry. Gorgeous stuff.
@@tct84 North Hays County might as well be California.
Buffalo Hump bestowed upon Hays the greatest compliment. He acknowledged the greatness of his son. Honors to both men.
It's complete nonsense.
-COMANCHE NATION
@@thechiefwildhorse4651 oh yes, respect/friendship is totally unheard-of between enemies 🙄
@@thechiefwildhorse4651 Look at how disliked you are... Maybe take a hint? 😂
@@Thr33-Quarters
You Europeans hate Indigenous PEOPLE it seems
-COMANCHE NATION
Well done H.O.K.C. I'm Australian, and first came to enjoy frontier history through the novels of Larry McMurtry. But to the question:
Was Hays an intruder? Yes, but no more than the Comanche at another time. The way I see it, people in general, do what's of benefit to them at the time
and it's up to the historians to argue over the rights and wrongs of the actions. It's a pity, so much of modern history is tainted with personal prejudice
and an unwillingness to 'walk in another's shoes'. Any 'ow, keep up the good work.
Hello Australia! Thank you for watching!
Actually, traditional historian, such as Edward Gibbon does not judge history but reports it. Lately, biases among historians have harmed the discipline and society.
Deaddoc speaks truth.
Larry McMurty has a way around writing that is highly expressive, you can feel his characters, you fell like you know them.
We welcome you to the Comanche Nation Complex in Lawton Oklahoma to hear our Real stories and see real Artifacts
-COMANCHE NATION
Everything is bigger in Texas and that was one Texas sized rock fight! Hayes is a legend here. On par with Travis & Crockett. I love that most Texas heroes of the time came from elsewhere and helped define what it is to be Texan. Both Hayes & Crockett were born in Tennessee. The Comanches too deserve much respect. Well done.
Read Texas Ranger: Jack Hays On The Frontier by James Greer. Wonderful book. (at least I think that's the title!)
All came from the East
dude this was a tiny skirmish that wouldn't even make a footnote in any other country's history.
@@AlexTSilver Duuuuuuude. You have a pretty mouth.
@@AlexTSilver well it's a good thing that we don't give a damn for other countries. Coming from a Texan.
The seemingly lost history of America and the Western Frontier that you capture and convey through your channel is incredible 💯
Thank you very much!
@@historyattheokcorral No, THANK YOU
@@Astro_touches_children poo
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Why don't you tell some Real History like the Massacre of 60k Comanche Women And Children in A Mass Grave At Fort Sill Oklahoma Still today???
-COMANCHE NATION
Every Texas boy knows the story of the Enchanted Rock fight. I've climbed that rock many times as a boy. It's a beautiful and sacred place.
You are correct.
Enchanted Rock is a special place.
Where did you grow up? Comfort for me.
@@theeasternfront6436 I was born in Menard and lived there till I was twelve.
Played cowboys and indians there as a kid
@@johnclark1612 yep, I was always an Indian. We lived in the middle of Texas history. San Saba mission was just outside of town on the river. I once found a 10 gauge shotgun in a field after a rainstorm. The stock was rotted off, so it had to be 100 years old. We would always find arrowheads after rainstorms and places by the river where the Comanches camped. Those grinded out rocks they used to grind corn.
From what I have read from a book written by one of Jack Hays companions Jack was not initially a Texas Ranger. Instead he was a survey party member at a time of overwhelming Comanche incursions and raids. One reason Comanche raids were so frightening was their great speed of archery attacks. Overwhelming the the pitifully slow rate of fire from the guns at the time. Jack discovered the Patterson revolvers that could have multiple preloaded cylinders creating overwhelming firepower that could overwhelm the Comanchies rates of arrow attacks. Once the success of his tactics with his firearm was noted, the men in his surveying company got him to order a lot more Patterson revolvers. They were then so successful fighting Comanche requests for their protection came from all over. They became known as Texas Rangers because they ranged all over Texas. And so badges, and an organization grew.
And that is the story I was told.
Which is the same story told here
The Texas Rangers always lost untilthere was the advancement in the revolver..once that happened it more than evened things up
@@StuartBailey-re4mh That is interesting, I had not heard that. May I ask was there a source book for that info that I might be interested in readying?
Sounds plausible but unlikely the Rangers were surveyors turn lawmen. More likely, these young tough’s were sent out with a knowledgeable surveyor and received fast and furious OJT.
My reading was some time ago, and there were several books involved. One was San Antonio To San Francisco With Texas Ranger Jack Hays by John Nugent. Without re-reading it, I am not entirely sure, but I believe that I drew from that book somewhat in my previous remark.
We learned about this fight and the revolver in 7th grade Texas history class.
Men like Jack Hays are what the history of Texas were built upon, terrific story about Ranger Hays..
The Numunu are still here and Jack Hays is dead lol
-COMANCHE NATION
@@thechiefwildhorse4651I'd guess you're a young guy
@@tomemery7890
I was probably in Iraq when you were in grade school
-COMANCHE NATION
@@thechiefwildhorse4651 whats a numunu?
@@brianjones7660
That's what Comanche call ourselves
-COMANCHE NATION
16:41 "Determine to sell his life to the highest markable price". Can't say it any better. Excellent narration 👍
As a Texan I appreciate the Comanche as our constant war with each other hardened us both and as a Texan, help us reinforce the “victory or death” mentality
Even now it’s a scary word.
Jack Hays was a-man to be reckoned with and a western legend. I have hiked up and down and around Enchanted Rock many, many times. At that time I did not know of Hays’ adventure on the rock. Thanks for adding to my Texas knowledge.
Jack Hays was a drunk and a liar lol
-COMANCHE NATION
@@thechiefwildhorse4651 you need to rename yourself Chief Talksoutofhisass
@@alaneskew2664
Maybe you should come run the Comanche Nation Complex???
-COMANCHE NATION
@@thechiefwildhorse4651 been there. Nothing but drunk fools living off the government
This is one of the best, historically accurate, colorful and factual videos I have ever seen, and we make them! The narration was absolutely beautiful and the scenes, Texas Ranger photos, Catlin and other artist depiction of Indians were well done. Kudos from a Jack Hays fan, from deep in the heart of Texas where Captain Jack hung out: San Antonio.
I'd say Captain Jack was a Hero. He was remembered well by the Army too. "Hay, Hay Captain Jack"...
I heard this account was one of the reasons Hays sent Samuel walker to meet Samuel Colt and make a new pistol which would be later called the Colt Walker- it was from this experience at enchanted rock the hays wanted his rangers to have a 6 shot, and larger caliber bullet - “ship them all to the republic of Texas” and it was that order that pulled Colt out of near bankruptcy
Great presentation. I had no idea of the historical significance of Enchanted Rock. Decades ago my dad & I drove to Texas & camped out at a number of places, 1 being Enchanted Rock. We figured it must of had some spiritual significance at some point to native tribes of the region simply based on its unusual appearance & name. The place certainly holds a peculiar unique vibe & at night was very eerie.
I love these stories, mostly because they're true.
Had the opportunity back in Fall of '20 to go hike and be immersed in the beauty of this magnificent monolith. Was my sister and I; when I got to the top, I felt on top of the world. And I realized, no wonder the native inhabitants felt such a strong connection to the rock and what magic it had; it's beautiful and if you ever get the opportunity, please go visit and hike. They also have an evening hike where you can see the stars; 1 day I'd love to experience thar for myself. And this story, it's q of my favorite, told my sister this and she never knew it. She asked me, wonder what he was feeling and experiencing in that moment; was he scared? Did he think he'd survive?
It’s like a tiny slice of parts the Australian outback.
for the final question, as a military serviceman myself, sometimes an aging warrior comes to understand his former more enemy than his civilian countryman who have not known battle, but only play at it.
the civilians will tell stories and pronounce judgements upon subjects they are clueless about, but the warrior knows what other warriors have endured and thus have a greater kinship.
a fellow warrior is a fellow warrior. a patch on our arms, and rich men far away determine if we are friends or foe on any given day.
The stories of the wild west are very similar to the Boer in South Africa. Great channel, thanks bro
When the reasons to fight are gone, the men who fought find kindred spirits in their old adversaries.
Although he couldn't stop speeding train, or leap a tall building in a single bound, Jack Hays was a man of steel. Buffalo Hump must have recognized that.
Great tale about Texas Ranger Jack Hays. I already was aware of the reputed fierceness and horsemanship of the Comanche warriors. It is gratifying indeed to see that comparable warlike and capable men were found within the Texas Rangers.
Hays County in Texas was named after Texas Ranger John Coffee Hays. The county seat is San Marcos, about 50 miles north of San Antonio, my hometown. I've climbed Enchanted Rock just a couple times, on my way to and from Fredericksburg. It's more of a walk up the hill, not very steep. The story I heard was the rock was called "Enchanted" because at night -- when everything is quiet -- a humming sound can be heard coming from it. So native tribes believed it was possessed. I heard a scientific explanation for the sound but don't recall what it was. Anyway, fascinating account and excellent work on the video
The dome is full of cracks and the wind whistles through them. For a real adventure, crawl through the cracks in the dome, in one side and out the other. That''s probably AGAINST THE RULES now.
Minor correction. The Colt Paterson does not take a cartridge, it is a cap and ball revolver.
Words change meaning over time.
While now a cartridge is a self contained round of ammunition, back then a cartridge was separate loading with a lead bullet, powder in a paper cone on the butt that doubled as a wad, then a percussion cap, or flint. In fact, Zig Zag shows a French Zouave using a paper rifle "cartridge"as a cigarette.
@@jamesbailey9140 , But the Colt Paterson did not take a cartridge did it? No it did not. The powder was put in the chamber, then a round ball, then packed down, then when all chambers loaded, grease over the chambers to avoid more than one chamber firing. Then the caps were applied.
My OP is correct. The pistol in question did not take a cartridge.
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It seems that type was loading was done when paper cartridges containing powder weren't available.
It came about in the same time frame as the Paterson.
But yes. The cap was separate. So it was still a separate loading round vs center or rimfire self contained cartridges.
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Enchanted Rock is a granite monolith, not limestone. It actually uplifted and pushed the limestone into an erosional environment. Leaving granite rock poking up through the limestone of the area.
Having hiked up Enchanted Rock several times, I can attest that it is pink granite, not limestone.
Thank you! The detail of geology that was in error in this video ruined the whole validity of the info for me. Also, Ranger Jack Hays married a lady, Susan Calvert who I am proud to have blood relation to. 😊
@@freddileehowell8688 glad to assist, I did work around there in college geology
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My soulmate was the great grandson of Capt. Jack. Susan was a lovely woman. My sweetie looked like Capt. Jack. I superimposed their photos, and it’s remarkable. He said his grandmother always told him growing up, “You’re the spit and image of my Daddy.”
The first comment I read was the correction about the pink granite. The channel owner was a total jerk to the one guy about it, saying “nobody cares about the stupid rocks” because “a million other people” have pointed out the wrongs. But he’s wrong there; I care. I care a lot about the details. And what’s “stupid” isn’t the rocks far as I’m concerned. I’m unsubscribed as of now. I’ve seen too many discrepancies on this channel in details, and calling people out like that is tacky, last time I looked.
What a story. Fantastically told. Awesome job! Love this channel :)
Thank you for this information. I am a Native Texan, and much enjoy the hill country, where they all lived and loved as I do.
Well…upon hearing some of this Texas history it makes me understand just how much my Texas school teachers failed to teach us about much of our Texas history. I have heard about Jack Hayes before just in passing, but really never knew about the Enchanted Rock story which is just one story that went untold in any of my history classes.
because public schooling has dark masters writing the curriculum
Because if we teach the actual history and not just tell kids "WHITE PEOPLE BAD" then the narrative wouldn't be so big right now
@@RogerCharlamange Im sorry Andy, you missed an important memo. We are at war. The reason why kids are told white people bad, is because an entity is using this narrative as a weapon. (and they have many other weapons)
They don't teach us any of our actual history, only what's been approved by the government.
That's common core teaching for you... Local history isn't on anymore except in Middle School, and there it's sketchy at best.
Well.... I certainly admire his grit. I've known about this gentleman for some time now but now I'm going to have to look into his story a bit more. Brave man. Warriors always respect other warrior's spirit. Warriors are cut from the same cloth.
Love your narration style. Very down home.
Thanks so much!
An excellent presentation. I enjoyed the history and development of the Comanche and the Texas Rangers. Another aspect I really enjoyed was the detailing of the weapons used and what advantages and limitations they gave Jack Hayes in his fight with the Comanche. Please continue this as it is often overlooked on other history channels. The old language used in your narration was also evocative and pleasing to hear.
Bravery is a quality universally respected and admired but particularly from those who have a martial traditions like the Comanche. The Crow believed that a formidable enemy was a reflection on how great their tribe was. Maybe it was the same for the Comanche in regards to Jack Hays. In any event, honoring and respecting one's enemy to that extent is historically uncommon. Very interesting video.
Another well narrated historical account of our past. Your stories are greatly enjoyed and appreciated. Thanks and just Subbed.
Welcome aboard!
So much better than Hollywood westerns . This grips me. I feel I’m up on that rock with Haynes. The sweat, the adrenaline, the fear, the brutality, the smell of your own hideous death inches away.
What a time.
Mr Hays was a Legendary frontier man, I admit I did know until I discovered this channel and a few others like it. May be owned by the same person. A huge Floridian Thank you!
There’s a story during WWII of an army patrol rolling to a French town with Nazi Wehrmacht lined up in surrender.
Upon interrogation, the Nazis misunderstood the Army Rangers that were inbound were in fact Texas Rangers, so they decided they were better off surrendering
Heard this same story over 50 years ago by a WWII vet. I always wondered if it was true.
Now that's hilarious. You know you've got a Rep when the most notorious killers in Europe line up to surrender to you without firing a shot.
Of course not😅😅
@zizo 246 The mythos of Texas is easily dismissed by those not blessed with the grace of being born there. Amother story I would relate here is one attributed to W D I Norris of Mexia Texas. Oilmen traveling to far off and distant lands would usually have problems communicating with the locals. One action that they would take was universally understood. If they drew an outline of Texas in the sand even young children understood those men were there to drill for oil which would eventually improve their life and not to loot, rob or kill them.
Apparently the name 'Comanche' stems from a bastardisation of the word, 'Ki matsi': Pueblo language= 'Those who are always against us'; 'Enemy people'. They got that one spot on for sure! Always a pleasure to kick-back and enjoy another of your videos in peace. Please keep up your great work.
Wrong. "Comanche" is the common Ute word kɨmantsi 'enemy' (modern Southern Ute kɨmatsi). It is well documented.
Just found this channel, bravo my friend,new subscription.
Welcome to the HOKC family!
Jack Hays is my 5x great grandfather on my mother’s side. Neat.
Wow. You should be very proud of your heritage. He was a great man.
Bullshit😂
@@JimboTheMick you probably right though. My grandma is full of shit lol
@charleshopkins3817 yeah no shit kid.
Awesome, love this channel! Look forward to more. Thanks
Awesome, thank you!
I’m stoned as fuck right now and this is the most interesting thing I’ve ever seen been watching these for like 40 minutes
Thank you from New Zealand , very informative and a pleasure to watch and listen to.
There may not be a friendship between them, but there is a respect between warriors such that they will give gifts to one another if they feel the opponent is honorable!
Hayes was the embodiment of American Spirit of Adventure Courage Combat and Exploration!! A True Legacy of a Real Life American Hero! A True Warrior!! Loved by his friend s and comrade s and Respected by his enemies! He lead and extraordinary excitingly fulfilling life of a Outdoorsman!!
I'm about 40 miles North of Enchanted Rock,,,,,,our Ranch has Comanche Creek running thru it, I have found arrow heads,,,,,,a Friend found a huge Lance Head and i found a fleshing rock. Its super cool,,,fits right in your palm,,,,they used these to flesh animal hides. Captain Jack,,, Brave to much . A Man's man
Beautiful country up there!
Thanks for sharing this account of Jack Hays defending his position atop Enchanted Rock. I've had the pleasure of reading the plaque near the top of Enchanted Rock with an inscription of his account of the defense.
It's been a while but I recall Enchanted Rock is Texas pink granite.
Great Episode. Level of detail on both sides was exemplary
Excellent historical overview and perspective. Great job and very informative.
I've read everything I've been able to get my hands on that dealt with Ranger history. Jack Hays and his close associate, Samuel Hamilton Walker, were legendary leaders whose reputations were born from, and grew out of, the very difficult and often hostile environment that was the Republic of Texas in the 1830's and 40's. This account is spot on, and a wonderful initial foray into Ranger and Texas history for the newcomer.
The preamble history you provide is perhaps more important than the subject. Few today realize that Indians were violent and most had displaced others who had displaced others before them. Just like in the rest of the world throughout history, until technology made it more difficult and nations came into being. Then, the nations had to find how to live in peace. They are still working it out because some are still tribal in their thinking.
Excellent story told very well. May we all sell our lives at the highest possible price.
Please keep this series going!
Wow! What an American badass!
Also, this is so very well written.
There is a wonderful statue of this heroic Texas Ranger in our town of San Marcos TX. In the county named for him. Hays county.
A big mural of him in Seguin as well!
We weren't pushed out by anyone! We had a dispute with 2 sides of Shoshone, We decided to break off back down South, obtained to horse from the Spanish in Colorado/N. New Mexico, became the most powerful Tribe for over 200 years! I say "Back" down South because We're Uto-Aztecan!
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Absolutely, this vision of Comanche in the Northern Rockies grubbing for roots and berries, and eating meat from dead carcasses is racist to the core (and highly inaccurate). The evidence is quite clear--that the Comanches moved south to get closer to Mexican horse herds and set up the "horse conveyor" from Mexico to the northern Plains. It was a bold "economic" decision, not the result of hunger and poverty and stronger tribes pushing them anywhere. Current definitions call Comancheria an "empire". That is far closer to the reality than the "bloodthirsty savages" presentation in this and other portrayals such as the claptrap in Gwynne's book (upon which this video is based).
These stories are great. And full of respect for all those who fought so bravely. Peace be with them now - hopefully in Paradise together...
Hello folks always cool to learn and hear about the Nemen'ah and this time in Texas. Hayes was the roughly base of the captain in Comanche Moon by McMurtry...I don't want to know where this golden spoon was coming from and I wonder if there was only one Buffalo Hump at this time..Hayes had to be replaced in the lexicon and wikipedia's for really tough badass! The picture you show is Q.Parker, the pictures of Buffalo Hump I own are all not that proved...God's Blessings from Northern Germany. Ludwig.
Hello friend!
Extraordinary times bring out skill sets that are normally not of much use, hell of a man and what a story!
You sir are a master storyteller! Thanks for posting your very entertaining videos.
Actually the 1836 Colt Patterson .36 cal was loaded via cylinder face with a 17grain charge of fine grade granulated blackpowder, wad, followed by a Greased conical or other projectile(s) before the cylinders capped off with percussion caps. later, nitrated paper enveloped powder/wad/projectile "cartridges" were introduced to speed up reloading.
Excellent History, Outstanding Storytelling!!!!
Best history channel going! Thank you.
They were men of their times. Great warriors recognize and respect each other.
Great Video, one inaccuracy, Stephen F Austin passed away in December of 1836. He couldn’t have sent Hays on his mission and it is doubtful given the timelines he ever met him.
Dont like Austin or the commie town named after him, dont like Houston either but the man Houston was the Man i do like
I absolutely love this story. And very well told the only critique I have is enchanted rock is made out of pink granite, not lime stone . Been there many times. Thank you for such good story telling.
Furthermore, there's no limestone exposure until a few miles south of ER.
While the victors write the history; respect between combatants and professional soldiers is a remarkable trait. . .
Many South Carolinians came to Texas as well. Nearly a dozen defended the Alamo , many more settled there after both before the war between the states and after when men like the legendary Manse Jolly came to Texas from the palmetto state
He wanted to sell his life for the highest market value
What a great quote
Even if you die, you have helped your comrades in parallel units "persuade'" the natives from "fighting to annulation."
Great narration. Super interesting. Well made video. Thanks.
Dayum! Well done sir. It is a crowded field of history channels, but this is some good stuff!
Much appreciated!
HOKC I love your videos! You don't seem to get as much views as you deserve. I will Link you to a few facebook history sites I use.
Wow, thanks!
Great video, but I think Enchanted Rock is granite, not limestone... maybe not important to anyone else lol, but granite is really uncommon in Texas, but limestone is everywhere.
Wow! Thank you so much for this.
Oh goodness how much very I loved
Thank you for bringing me joy at this tale
So much spirit and love in the opponent's
The fact that they went back to work afterwards is the best part and illustrates the character of these men.
Thank you
Thank you!
There's a snippet of Buffalo Hump in your video, chasing down a man who's on foot. It's from "Lonesome Dove. "
There is good book on this subject: Empire of the Summer Moon. It details Comanche, Texican, and Texan contact including the advent of the Texas Rangers. It also tells the story of Quanah Parker, a leader of the Comanche in their last days of freedom. He was the half Comanche, half Anglo son of Sarah Parker who had been taken captive as a young girl. The Texas Rangers are credited with reinventing mounted warfare with the new Colt revolvers. They had corresponded with Samuel Colt himself and contributed feedback on the pistols. Typically Texans would dismount and fight from the ground with their muzzleloaders. We owe the Texas Rangers and Samuel Colt for the quintessential mounted gunfights we see in so much of Western lore.
correction .... Quanahs mothers name was not Sarah it was Cynthia Ann Parker
That was a good book, read that some years back
One of my favorite books on the subject.
I thought Texas rangers were famous for things like Slave Patrols?
Why are you guys worshiping these evil fucks?
Gwynne's book is highly sensationalistic, bigoted, and inacccurate. If you want accuracy and an unbigoted portrayal, then read Pekka Hamalainen's "Comanche Empire". White not perfect, it is a thousand times more accurate than Gwynne's racist claptrap
Loved the use of footage from "commanche moon", an awesome miniseries.
For those of you who do not know. There is a cave system at the top of Enchanted Rock, where you can take a guided tour. IT IS NOT IMPROVED! You will need to be fairly physically fit, and there are no lights so every one will need their own flashlight. Many times you will be on your knees, or climbing up. ( We took a group of boy scouts through ), so it's not really difficult unless you're heavy. This was the best caving experience I've ever had. I don't know if the tour is still available, but I recommend it if it is.
Nicely done! Your channel will be a nice addition to my subscription list.
Welcome aboard!
Being brave and cool headed is probably more valuable than physical strength. Hays and these guys had balls of steel. By the way, the picture you show when mentioning Buffalo Hump is actually Quanah Parker
the colt paterson was also a percussion cap muzzle loader -it did not use catriges firearm the same as the rifles - the only difference being you preloaded 5 shots into the cylinder - and you could carry spare cylinders
We’re all intruders in one way or another. Good story man !!!
Only the strong survive
good presentation thank you
Glad you liked it!
I was at Enchanted Rock one time and a Chinook did a close fly-by. Awesome.
Because of the gun, the conflicts on the Wild West plains were so personal and small numbered, when compared to the conquests of early Europe, ME, and Asia, fought by the blade.
Off topic from the video, could you do a video about the Reynolds gang and Colorado during the Civil War? Also I think that Hays and Buffalo Hump's relationship was built on a mutual respect for each other's abilities as warriors. I don't think there was any hatred between them just mutual admiration between adversaries. Enemies are those you hate, adversaries are those you must fight.
Now that's a man's man in any era ❤
Fascinating story! So glad I found this channel.
I finally subscribed to HOKC. Now, I have a suggestion: How about an episode on the First and Second Battles of Pyramid Lake in Nevada? Why? Captain Jack, of course!
I re-read the rendition of this story in Prescott's THE TEXAS RANGERS for about the tenth time while sitting in the rock cleft that I guessed Hays had used as an enfilade. Enchanted Rock is a granite mound rising out of the green hills of central Texas. When the breeze blows through your hair on top of that rock, spirits from centuries bygone whisper in your ear. Even in bright hot sunshine, it's quiet and spooky up there.
It's good to visit some of the sights Jack Hayes was involved with, especially if you're one of the many Texans with ancestry here. I have ancestry to both sides. Cynthia Ann Parker in the branch that wasn't in Texas at the time, and ancestry to grandchild of Quanah and Cynthia Ann Parker.
Thanks for the story. I have heard it before but your version gave much more detail. My daughter can see Enchanted Rock from her back porch; she and her husband love the view. I have climbed the Rock a number of times--great view from the top.
Jack Hayes is a legend. It had to be a rough time to live, but he accomplished so much. Thank you for this great telling of history, I was never taught in school. You do that beautifully!