Great presentation. I grew up 9 miles from where Quanah Parker was supposedly born. While in the Boy Scouts I trekked everywhere out there looking for arrowheads. Our schools in this country are doing a disservice to these kids by not teaching them about all our history. Videos like this are a great conduit to the past. Thank you!!
You’re right. It’s pretty much one sided that white man bad Indian victim. The opposite is more accurate. Sad the brutality towards settlers isn’t taught and tribal fighting too. Rarely do schools teach about the hundreds of years of tribe against tribe.
My family( Powers and Manning) were settlers in Hamilton county Tx. and witnessed the Comanche raids first hand in 1867. They survived and relocated to Arkansas. One of my grade school friends was the great grandson of Quannah Parker, apparently one of many descendants he propagated.
@@nicholsjon9472 you all likely have a Comanche blood relative out there somewhere We are part Creek. A Very white family, but 1/16th Creek. It happened both ways back then.
I live in Texas but only about 30 mins from antelope hills and i have explored all over that area. Ive been waiting for someone to make a video about this battle for some time. This was very well done. Your story telling ability is extraordinary. A+. 1 side note you mention the rangers were formed in 1835. They were form in 1823 because all year this year they are celebrating their 200th anniversary.
Thats a great observation. Stephen Austin's ranging companies, the predecessors of the Rangers, started in 1823. The official state organization didnt come until 1835, but we debated which date to use in this episode! We will do an episode on Austin's ranger companies soon. Thank you for watching!
I hope you are enjoying the southern invasion. Payback is a dish best served cold. 😈 This is just the beginning. Wait until China and Russia start flooding in weapons. 😅😅
Using the footage from Hostiles was a great touch. That opening scene really captures the brutality of the “low intensity” conflict. Very few pitched battles, lots of vicious raids. On both sides.
You make it sound like a fair fight. In fact only ONE people were being dispossessed, only ONE people were in their actual homeland. And regardless of the claims, most raids were not done with the intent of exterminating all white people.
How am I discovering your channel only now?! You have a treasure trove of awesome videos about some really interesting and little known (for me at least) historic events! Looking forward to binge-watching!
Cormac McCarthy wrote a brilliant scene in Blood Meridian where the protagonist’s party is attacked by a large Comanche force. It’s quite chilling to read.
Thoroughly enjoyed this and your other videos, you have an uncanny ability to encapsulate your audience into the moment. I commend you on your diligent research and presentation of what you provide to your viewers! Outstanding! Subbed for more content! Cheers from Texas!
I just happened upon your channel. I thoroughly enjoy the presentation as it's told in a way that brings these people to life. I find the artwork fascinating. Thank you for your efforts.
Wow very well told! I was glued to your clear informative description of this battle and the events that lead up to it. Im suprised there were only 2 casualties considering as you said earlier battles they would loose 50% of the force. Since this was a suprise attack im sure that played a massive role in the outcome. Ill be checking out a ton of your content! Way better than the discovery channel or any of the history channels videos!
Your voice combined with the historic period frontier string sounds firm a pleasing undulating rhytm i suppose not unlike those rolling hills landscapes where these tragic events unfolded! Well done!
John RIP Ford (1815-1897) was stationed at Fort Brown, TX, during the American Civil War. He was Colonel of the 2nd Texas Cavalry. He commanded Confederate forces in the last Civil War land battle, the Battle of Palmetto Ranch (May 12th & 13th, 1865), some 34 days after Lee surrendered.
@adamkhan4451 Palmetto Ranch was what can be described as an empty & useless Confederate Victory. The two sides were on the cusp of a surrender agreement, when it happened. I'm from California, my only ancestral connection to that war is from Minnesota.
in the 1850s, a conquistador-breastplate would have been 200-300 years old, its amazing to believe that a piece of armor was in the Indians' possession, handed down through generations, and kept servicable for all that time. There's hardly any record of Native Americans holding onto outsider's items for so long, as far as i know
Thanks for this video . After enjoying all the cowboy and cavalry stories all my days ...and I am over sixty and a Brit interested in all human history ... you tell me about and map a country I had never heard of in America , Comancheria . What a large area it was too . I approve of your honest history telling . Subscribed to hear more about real US history as a result . All the Best .
The horse was a game changer for the Plains Indians. Could say that's an understatement. On foot their ability to spread mayhem and harass neighboring tribes was quite limited.
@@jameshickok2349 The Comanches were just considered one of many lowly tribes that lived off what they could find while wandering around the plains area. Then they captured wild horses that escaped from the Spanish Conquistador's expeditions and the rest is history. The greatest horsemen and warriors ever known in the western world came into existence. I have great respect for the Comanches but they were blood thirsty, merciless, and fierce.
'History at the OK Coral' is a great 'free ticket' to 'Time Traveling'. The only pity is that certificates of 'higher education' are not awarded for being a fan who has followed/binged on it since discovering the channel. Otherwise, all is the same. It's been a great education
A well done video on the struggles of Native American Comanche vs the Texas Rangers and their Allies. One could almost picture this battle taking place. With your ability to describe it in your video. 💪🏻🙏🏻✨
Reason the Tonkawa had stripped Comanche flesh from what stragglers they caught was that they practiced cannibalism.And I believe Cynthia Parker had recieved a visit by her relatives in the presence of Nakoma during some horse trading sometime before this event and had refused an offer to try and escape back with them and Nacoma wasn't doing any trading for her. They said she was pretty standoffish by then.. They wrote about that somewhere that escapes my memory now. Her Brother was young enough to be assimilated into the Quahadi which the Comanche were known to do. On the way back from a raid in Mexico he took ill with smallpox and was left there with a captive girl. Having better resistance to smallpox than the natives he survived and I'm not sure what happened after with him although I believe they stayed together. I've heard about that a couple places, one being somewhere on TH-cam. Maybe a poster named "Unworthy History" that references old accounts or possibly You? When you get as old as I'm getting sometimes the lights are on but nobodies home, lol. .
"Empire....." The best, most honest book about the Indians and white man I've ever read. I got "Lance and Shield" recommended to me. Have it and plan to read it soon. A good book that is a comparison of two lives is "Custer and Crazy Horse" if you haven't read it.
@@robertledford499 Sam Gwynne's account is not just short on research but selective and I can only surmise the author is too lazy. When you have a point of history that's contested it pays to do the comprehensive research. Because when it comes to history contested someone is going to dig until they find out which side has the evidence on it's side and whose sources don't stand up to scrutiny. . th-cam.com/video/0NaI2chrN4A/w-d-xo.html . th-cam.com/video/lr_fTDtN8IE/w-d-xo.html
I can offer little about the history prior to and after the events mentioned here as I know to little. All I can say is this was an excellent and very informative clip. Thank you for the post... very interesting!
Brilliant and respectful storytelling. I like the way you are able to pin-point the good and bad aspects of human nature. Would love to see more on the good and bad individuals in the old west including both Indians and Whites. Ultimately the real heros are the ones who show mercy in war on both sides.
I loved this and has added another piece of information to our family story. My grandma Barrett's great aunt was Cynthanne Parker, Peta Naconah was her husband.
No kidding, well hello. Cynthia Anne was my grand mothers great great aunt. My grand mothers grandpa was a Texas Ranger and they moved to Oregon and my great grandmother was born on the trail, funny thing is she died in 68 and i remember her so much.
@@paulbarrett3361 Truly fascinating. We were never taught the real history in school. Some Indians were brutal as a rule. They would cut women's noses off if they did not willingly submit to rape. I'm sick that so few know how much Indians helped and hindered the expansion to the west. If we are guilty of atrocities, I suppose many individual natives were worse. All Truth is Ugly
If I recall, Cynthia Ann Parker was a young girl when captured. She was years later "liberated" by Rangers including Charles Goodnight. Story is she longed to return to the Comanche life and did not life long. As others noted, she was the mother of Quanah Parker.
@@robblume3082 Yes, she was and I've heard that as well. She was basically treated as an outcast by her own people. Racial hatred was out in the open in those days.
Another excellent historical exploration! Happy to have stumbled upon your content on youtube. I have also watched some of your Dates and Dead Guys channel. To answer some of your questions for viewers at the end, all I have to say is that oftentimes in war, it's hard to find the good guys. Both sides have their causes, deeply held beliefs, and their very families to fight for. Atrocities abound, with totally innocent noncombatants all too often becoming the targets of savage brutality and violence. Regarding the Comanches, I can't help but compare them to the Mongols, who conquered and devastated vast swaths of central Asia after their tribes domesticated the horse, using many of the same battle techniques and living in transportable yurts, which , let's face it, are tipis with additional wood framing Everybody loves horses, but horses have also become one of history's deadliest weapons of war. But anyway, keep up the high-quality work. I sincerely hope you get backers with bigger budgets, so that you can do re-enactments and compete with the likes of PBS and NatGeo. Your content is certainly worth it.
I live in South Texas along the Atascosa river where I have found Comanche and Spanish artifacts and other items but I love Texas history.Thank you for the video.
What all types of artifacts have you found from both Spanish & Comanche? I’m sincerely just curious, being a avid “head hunter” myself. But I live in N. Alabama & mostly only ever hunt locally.
I live in Wichita Falls, Texas, which is 21 miles from the Red River. All along the Red River, there were what was called the Red River Indian Wars .About 18 miles from my home and only one mile from Highway 240 was an old calvary wooden fort that had the 10 Calvary stationed there .The 10 Calvary was a Buffalo Soldiers fort .The fort was attacked, and everyone in the fort was killed, including all of the horses. Some settlers happened upon the battle site . A mass grave was dug for all the dead soldiers, including the calvary horses . There are two Indian reservations not far from me along the Red River and they are the Comanche and Kiowa tribes .
Another brilliant installment…enjoying the channel immensely…the stories, atmosphere, imagery, art, and old photographs…and curious to know who the music is by? Thanks!
Great documentary, amazingly presented. You got a new sub. Can anyone tell me where the scenes were from, asides from, Dances With Wolves, Hostiles and Lonesome Dove? Ford was a tactician for sure, glory seeker is a description best kept for the likes of Custer!
Great stuff. I grew up in Granbury, Texas which is home to Comanche Peak. Just west is Lipan (after the Lipan Apache) and further west is the town of Comanche. I now live in Travis County, the County north of Hays. Most people have no idea how precarious life was for the settlers here until the Texas Rangers finally drove out the Comanche. They never settled in reservations and many of them just disappeared into Mexico. I really appreciate you taking the time to make all of this great history come to life.
@@historyattheokcorral it just feels like the beginning of the West. I just feel that vastness of Comancheria west of there. Other than the windery it has not changed too much...unlike Austin or Granbury.
love your channel !! you mentioned early in this video that the native forces with the rangers were armed with repeating rifles. with the henry and the yellowboy still a few years in the future what are these rifles that you speak of being present in 1858 ? please keep up thig great work !!
Many of these events and people covered here on your channel..i used to have to go to a library to try and find books about...i did find many books of varying degrees of fact&fiction over the years. But there was never enough time in a day a week or a year to really dig deep for something that wasnt about only the little bighorn battle,Billy the Kid, I would as a kid in the 70s and 80s bury myself in books...at some point i realized there is just no way i can cover it all. So thank you for doing the hard parts about bringing some deeper history about the west I can listen here and learn a bit more background on events and especially those Native Americans with those odd but amazing names...Iron Shirt,Wooden Leg,Buffalo Hump,and a whole range of names..how did they get those names? I can sit here and drink coffee in my garage and catch up on stories i never had time to look into for myself Bravo-Zulu!
@@wisconsinfarmer4742 The Native Americans fighting to keep the land of their ancestors were doing what anyone would do to protect their family and defend the right to live free on the land that they inherited.
Good and tasty as always folks! Congrats I never know that the Tonkawa were provided with breech loaders and colts. The're at least 2 further cases of iron jackets reported, Cheyenne and Blackfoo I think. Besides McMurtry in the flicks you showed is a wonderful showing of the fight in The Searchers by Alan LeMay written, unfortunatedly not in the movie .You did a fine job and an important one too. Greetings from Northern Germany! Ludwig
They were all correct for their time the Comanche, became the masters of the Prairie, after the horse was introduced to the Great Plains The Comanche were the most feared cavalry west of the Mississippi and south of the Arkansas river The only way they could be defeated was to attack them when they were most vulnerable during the winter months a tactic used most successfully by the US cavalry led by George Armstrong, Custer and Raynald McKenzie, but it was a long, hard battle and many years before the Comanche were all on Indian reservations in Oklahoma
The Comanche ruled the biggest area ever by a Tribe, and they held it for 150 years. The Comanche rivaled the Spanish conquistadors in Power and Wealth. The Comanche were big slave traders and profit seekers, Texas,,,Oklahoma,Kansas, Colorado, and New Mexico were part of Comanche land
"Attacking the people in the winter...when they are most vulneralble....you named also Custer...the massmurderer... areyou proud of the killing of Comanche's or any other tribe?? You are all massmurderers! Shame on you! You live in a stolen country, on stolen land...you live in an ocean of blood and guild and god will jugde you for this!
And we all know what happened to Custer: incompetent, self-absorbed, mood-swinging, hyper-sensitive Custer, who ultimately led his men into certain death.
The book Empire of the Summer Moon is amazing read on this time period. Interesting fact the turning point of defeating the Indians was the invention of the Colt revolver. The ability to fire 6 shots quickly was a more superior weapon against the skilled Indian fighters with a bow.
I'm reminded of a scene in John Wayne's best ever western, the searchers..... When he finds the body of one of his nieces, One of two kidnapped by the commanche under scar, Geoff hunter asks... " well..... Was she..?.." Wayne spits out the words visibly shaken... " don't ever ask..... As long as you live,dont ever ask me...". Fiction, I know, but memories of the ferocity and perfected cruelty of the commanche live long in the memory.
In my village here in England there is a mile marker with the date 1860 inscribed into the stone. It’s crazy to think that this was happening around the same time that was put there.
I've been pigging out on this channel over the last few days - much respect to the Comanche people. Time has passed, things have moved on. But you are still Comanche - if you choose to be. Spartans, Athenians, Romans, Crazy Germanic Horde Guys, Maori, Tongan, Samoan, Hawaain (SP?) Apache, Sioux, Who cares? If you have a native affiliation - big ups to you! Keep it alive! I only have a Brit colonialist affiliation - although I love being a Kiwi.
The armor pictured isn't the type he wore. He had chainmail. We know this because after he was killed at little robe creek I'm 1858, the tonkawa cannibalized him, the rangers sent his spear and headdress to the governor in Austin and the rangers broke apart his chainmail and each of them kept a piece.
@@Sutorenja it was supposedly "passed down from his ancestors". I'm guessing someone took it from a Spaniard who was killed exploring Texas. They had already been coming since the early 1500s. I don't think the Comanche migrated to Texas until the late 1600s tho. My dates may be a little off
Totalitarian war, for the native Americans, my family lived in this area, and had legends of surviving attacks by Apache and comanchero band's. They were historically very loose bands of young warriors! My family has a gun culture to day, because of these threats of +150 yrs ago! ( Family legend was; great, great grandma Florence met a band of raiders, with water and food, they left her and her children alone, going on to massacre the next farm/ranch! She, Flo was known for being half "mad!" Crazy!
It is nicely narrated, but some of the pictures/illustrations and footage are way off. What do paintings of US Cavalry charges and scenes from Dancing with Wolves have to do with this?
That was a different time in history. A clash of cultures with little pity. Men have always fought for what they believed in . To judge one group worse then another isnt quite fair in todays views. If someone attacks you, you'll probably fight back. Someone does you wrong you get pissed. And may retaliate.
Civilians had them they hadn’t become as common as later with the Winchester I think the first multi fire king arm was produced by browning for Mormons it was a three chamber black powder musket with an open breac three chambered block Wich was preloaded and slide akin a rail after each shot then another block could be used
First rate presentation. As I live near the Antelope Hills, I wonder if anyone knows where exactly this combat took place? Some descriptions of this battle seem to place it some distance away from the Antelope Hills.
BRAVO!! Well done. This gives a glimpse into the nuance of history. As facts are presented, one sided arguments tend to fall away....to the dismay of some, i might add.
I cannot condemn the Comanche for defending their land and way of life by any means necessary. Neither can I condemn the Texans and their allies for trying to improve their lives. Such is the story of humanity throughout time and history. The Comanche took the land from its previous occupiers and the Texans et al did the same. Such is the story of human existence. It will not end.
The Tonka Indians were somewhat feared by the Comanche because the Tonka were cannibals and the Comanche didn't relish arriving in the next life with a chunk missing from their backside after a Tonka barbecue.
The year is given as 1858, and at 15.58 it states the indian allies have been equipped with repeating rifles. The Henry rifle was designed in 1860, as was the Spencer.
FYI, at 19:42 you introduce a "young, powerfully built warrior" by the name of Peta Nocona, yet the accompanying photo is that of his son, Quanah Parker.
I believe the Comanche raided a bit further south east at least once. They went all the way to the coast of the Gulf of Mexico and raided the town of Indianola. It's about forty miles or so south of where I live in Matagorda. People fled the town in boats to escape the Indians and watched them raid the town from off shore.
Great presentation. I grew up 9 miles from where Quanah Parker was supposedly born. While in the Boy Scouts I trekked everywhere out there looking for arrowheads. Our schools in this country are doing a disservice to these kids by not teaching them about all our history. Videos like this are a great conduit to the past. Thank you!!
You’re right. It’s pretty much one sided that white man bad Indian victim. The opposite is more accurate. Sad the brutality towards settlers isn’t taught and tribal fighting too. Rarely do schools teach about the hundreds of years of tribe against tribe.
Truly an outstanding presentation cogent, well composed script, and very well presented. Good Work, Sir! Keep-on keepin’-on.
Glad you liked it!
My family( Powers and Manning) were settlers in Hamilton county Tx. and witnessed the Comanche raids first hand in 1867. They survived and relocated to Arkansas. One of my grade school friends was the great grandson of Quannah Parker, apparently one of many descendants he propagated.
We have family in Comanche! Very familiar with Hamilton County.
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My mom's maiden name is Powers. They are also from the same area and have been for generations. I wonder if we're related.
My Powers relatives were originally from St. Mary's, Md., then later Kentucky and Perryville, Mo.@@nicholsjon9472
@@nicholsjon9472 you all likely have a Comanche blood relative out there somewhere
We are part Creek. A Very white family, but 1/16th Creek. It happened both ways back then.
Your storytelling, afaic, is both educational and entertaining. Your inclusion of details to build suspense is appreciated.
I live in Texas but only about 30 mins from antelope hills and i have explored all over that area. Ive been waiting for someone to make a video about this battle for some time. This was very well done. Your story telling ability is extraordinary. A+.
1 side note you mention the rangers were formed in 1835. They were form in 1823 because all year this year they are celebrating their 200th anniversary.
Thats a great observation. Stephen Austin's ranging companies, the predecessors of the Rangers, started in 1823. The official state organization didnt come until 1835, but we debated which date to use in this episode! We will do an episode on Austin's ranger companies soon. Thank you for watching!
I hope you are enjoying the southern invasion. Payback is a dish best served cold. 😈 This is just the beginning. Wait until China and Russia start flooding in weapons. 😅😅
Ah, yes, Texas Rangers used to terrorize, burn, rape and murder innocent Mexicans after the great Texas "revolution".
@@Hyoscyamus369 The Rangers simply interrupted the Comanche from genociding the rest of the tribes (and the Mexicans). Comanche were not "nice guys"
@@michaelpacnw2419 thank you for making that point in response to the other dude's tripe.
Using the footage from Hostiles was a great touch. That opening scene really captures the brutality of the “low intensity” conflict. Very few pitched battles, lots of vicious raids. On both sides.
Yeah. Low intensity is a weird choice of words. Maybe small war would be a better way to describe it.
@@bigjerm1631lmao so true. Looks like we are reverting backwards anyhow.
You make it sound like a fair fight. In fact only ONE people were being dispossessed, only ONE people were in their actual homeland. And regardless of the claims, most raids were not done with the intent of exterminating all white people.
Of course there were very few pitched battles someone could get hurt its much safer to raid the weak and unsuspecting
How am I discovering your channel only now?! You have a treasure trove of awesome videos about some really interesting and little known (for me at least) historic events! Looking forward to binge-watching!
Welcome friend!
Cormac McCarthy wrote a brilliant scene in Blood Meridian where the protagonist’s party is attacked by a large Comanche force. It’s quite chilling to read.
A legion of horribles
The Judge didn't seem to mind
@@mico1664the Judge was death and chaos, he didn't mind anything other than peace.
@@mico1664 The Judge wasn't there during the Comanche attack.
@@falcor200he WAS NOT death and chaos.
He was the tip of the spear of civilization. Science and ‘colonization’
NOT death and chaos.
Thoroughly enjoyed this and your other videos, you have an uncanny ability to encapsulate your audience into the moment. I commend you on your diligent research and presentation of what you provide to your viewers! Outstanding! Subbed for more content! Cheers from Texas!
Cheers from Texas!
I enjoyed your retelling of this raw slice of Old West history, thank you.
I just happened upon your channel. I thoroughly enjoy the presentation as it's told in a way that brings these people to life. I find the artwork fascinating. Thank you for your efforts.
Wow very well told! I was glued to your clear informative description of this battle and the events that lead up to it. Im suprised there were only 2 casualties considering as you said earlier battles they would loose 50% of the force. Since this was a suprise attack im sure that played a massive role in the outcome. Ill be checking out a ton of your content! Way better than the discovery channel or any of the history channels videos!
Your voice combined with the historic period frontier string sounds firm a pleasing undulating rhytm i suppose not unlike those rolling hills landscapes where these tragic events unfolded! Well done!
Form!....the ever present typos
John RIP Ford (1815-1897) was stationed at Fort Brown, TX, during the American Civil War. He was Colonel of the 2nd Texas Cavalry. He commanded Confederate forces in the last Civil War land battle, the Battle of Palmetto Ranch (May 12th & 13th, 1865), some 34 days after Lee surrendered.
Solid bro. Much respect.
I thought that was him. RIP Ford. Rest in Peace. Two Walker Colts!
@adamkhan4451 Palmetto Ranch was what can be described as an empty & useless Confederate Victory. The two sides were on the cusp of a surrender agreement, when it happened. I'm from California, my only ancestral connection to that war is from Minnesota.
@@pantagruel1066 Thanks so very much!
@Adam Khan you sound like a troll
Wearing a steel breastplate to battle on the Prairie in the 19th century is real boss move.
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If I remember right there was a character in the book Centennial that used a similar breast plate
All Summer on the prairie wearing the Spanish Breast Plate would leave some bad tan lines.
Wish I owned it ..
in the 1850s, a conquistador-breastplate would have been 200-300 years old, its amazing to believe that a piece of armor was in the Indians' possession, handed down through generations, and kept servicable for all that time. There's hardly any record of Native Americans holding onto outsider's items for so long, as far as i know
Thanks for this video . After enjoying all the cowboy and cavalry stories all my days ...and I am over sixty and a Brit interested in all human history ... you tell me about and map a country I had never heard of in America , Comancheria . What a large area it was too . I approve of your honest history telling . Subscribed to hear more about real US history as a result . All the Best .
Many thanks!!
The horse was a game changer for the Plains Indians. Could say that's an understatement. On foot their ability to spread mayhem and harass neighboring tribes was quite limited.
@@jameshickok2349 The Comanches were just considered one of many lowly tribes that lived off what they could find while wandering around the plains area. Then they captured wild horses that escaped from the Spanish Conquistador's expeditions and the rest is history. The greatest horsemen and warriors ever known in the western world came into existence. I have great respect for the Comanches but they were blood thirsty, merciless, and fierce.
You mean turtle 🐢 island
Fascinating content I'm addicted to this channel. Just discovered it a couple days ago and subscribed. Please keep the awesome content coming : )
'History at the OK Coral' is a great 'free ticket' to 'Time Traveling'. The only pity is that certificates of 'higher education' are not awarded for being a fan who has followed/binged on it since discovering the channel. Otherwise, all is the same. It's been a great education
Certificates are for losers. 🤷🏼♂️💪🏻
@@historyattheokcorral Education consists mainly in what we have unlearned.
- Mark Twain's Notebook, 1898
Great, thanks for making longer episodes
A well done video on the struggles of Native American Comanche vs the Texas Rangers and their Allies. One could almost picture this battle taking place. With your ability to describe it in your video. 💪🏻🙏🏻✨
so , babies were Native United States of American allies against the Siberian American Comanches? Such a struggle.
Reason the Tonkawa had stripped Comanche flesh from what stragglers they caught was that they practiced cannibalism.And I believe Cynthia Parker had recieved a visit by her relatives in the presence of Nakoma during some horse trading sometime before this event and had refused an offer to try and escape back with them and Nacoma wasn't doing any trading for her. They said she was pretty standoffish by then.. They wrote about that somewhere that escapes my memory now.
Her Brother was young enough to be assimilated into the Quahadi which the Comanche were known to do. On the way back from a raid in Mexico he took ill with smallpox and was left there with a captive girl. Having better resistance to smallpox than the natives he survived and I'm not sure what happened after with him although I believe they stayed together. I've heard about that a couple places, one being somewhere on TH-cam. Maybe a poster named "Unworthy History" that references old accounts or possibly You?
When you get as old as I'm getting sometimes the lights are on but nobodies home, lol. .
Try "Empire of the Summer Moon".
"Empire....." The best, most honest book about the Indians and white man I've ever read. I got "Lance and Shield" recommended to me. Have it and plan to read it soon. A good book that is a comparison of two lives is "Custer and Crazy Horse" if you haven't read it.
@@robertledford499 Sam Gwynne's account is not just short on research but selective and I can only surmise the author is too lazy. When you have a point of history that's contested it pays to do the comprehensive research. Because when it comes to history contested someone is going to dig until they find out which side has the evidence on it's side and whose sources don't stand up to scrutiny.
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Mutilation is as close to cannibalism as you can get regardless of the race. Don't 🐐 yourself!
Captivating presentation. At me at the proverbial edge of my seat. Look forward to seeing more.
I can offer little about the history prior to and after the events mentioned here as I know to little.
All I can say is this was an excellent and very informative clip. Thank you for the post... very interesting!
Hundreds of years of fighting. This is an episode, I had not heard details of. Brave men on both sides. I digress on opinions. Thanks!
Brilliant and respectful storytelling. I like the way you are able to pin-point the good and bad aspects of human nature. Would love to see more on the good and bad individuals in the old west including both Indians and Whites. Ultimately the real heros are the ones who show mercy in war on both sides.
You are an outstanding storyteller. I may be listening all day.
The repeating rifle and theColt revolver changed the equation on the plains.
Narration and the Script are beyond BRILLIANT ---Bravo
I loved this and has added another piece of information to our family story. My grandma Barrett's great aunt was Cynthanne Parker, Peta Naconah was her husband.
Very Cool.
Quanah is my 3rd gret grandfather. Peta nocona my 4th and iron jacket my 5th
@@kam16441 Also very cool. A'Ho from Utah!
No kidding, well hello. Cynthia Anne was my grand mothers great great aunt. My grand mothers grandpa was a Texas Ranger and they moved to Oregon and my great grandmother was born on the trail, funny thing is she died in 68 and i remember her so much.
@@paulbarrett3361 Truly fascinating.
We were never taught the real history in school.
Some Indians were brutal as a rule.
They would cut women's noses off if they did not willingly submit to rape.
I'm sick that so few know how much Indians helped and hindered the expansion to the west.
If we are guilty of atrocities, I suppose many individual natives were worse.
All Truth is Ugly
What a family tree. Quannah Parker, son of Peta Nacona, son of Iron Jacket. Comanche royalty.
On the other side, the Parkers are legendary Tx settler family. He was really a combination of worlds.
If I recall, Cynthia Ann Parker was a young girl when captured. She was years later "liberated" by Rangers including Charles Goodnight. Story is she longed to return to the Comanche life and did not life long. As others noted, she was the mother of Quanah Parker.
@@robblume3082 Yes, she was and I've heard that as well. She was basically treated as an outcast by her own people. Racial hatred was out in the open in those days.
Another excellent historical exploration! Happy to have stumbled upon your content on youtube. I have also watched some of your Dates and Dead Guys channel.
To answer some of your questions for viewers at the end, all I have to say is that oftentimes in war, it's hard to find the good guys. Both sides have their causes, deeply held beliefs, and their very families to fight for. Atrocities abound, with totally innocent noncombatants all too often becoming the targets of savage brutality and violence.
Regarding the Comanches, I can't help but compare them to the Mongols, who conquered and devastated vast swaths of central Asia after their tribes domesticated the horse, using many of the same battle techniques and living in transportable yurts, which , let's face it, are tipis with additional wood framing
Everybody loves horses, but horses have also become one of history's deadliest weapons of war.
But anyway, keep up the high-quality work. I sincerely hope you get backers with bigger budgets, so that you can do re-enactments and compete with the likes of PBS and NatGeo. Your content is certainly worth it.
Outstanding work, Sir. I lived in Beaumont for a year after ETS'ing out of the Corps. San Antone is my favorite. Especially in December.
Glad you enjoyed it!
The hands and feet were eaten by the Tonkawas. When asked, the chiefs said of all nationalities, he liked the Dutch the most.
Another awesome presentation. Keep up the good work.
Great story, and so well told. Crazy they only lost 2 men (Only part I hated) and both sides were dueling against each other.Amazing!
well said, Tennessean :)
What is the title of the movie that is shown in this video?
Repeating rifles were curios in 1858. What is probably meant is breechloading rifles, probably Sharps.
I’ve worked right next to Antelope Hills. Great to see this story
I live in South Texas along the Atascosa river where I have found Comanche and Spanish artifacts and other items but I love Texas history.Thank you for the video.
What all types of artifacts have you found from both Spanish & Comanche? I’m sincerely just curious, being a avid “head hunter” myself. But I live in N. Alabama & mostly only ever hunt locally.
I just found your channel and subscribed so I can learn as much as possible about Texas and the frontier days.
That was really well narrated and enjoyable to watch,i am a new fan
This series is very well written, and produced. Great narrator.
I live in Wichita Falls, Texas, which is 21 miles from the Red River. All along the Red River, there were what was called the Red River Indian Wars .About 18 miles from my home and only one mile from Highway 240 was an old calvary wooden fort that had the 10 Calvary stationed there .The 10 Calvary was a Buffalo Soldiers fort .The fort was attacked, and everyone in the fort was killed, including all of the horses. Some settlers happened upon the battle site . A mass grave was dug for all the dead soldiers, including the calvary horses . There are two Indian reservations not far from me along the Red River and they are the Comanche and Kiowa tribes .
I've been listening up on the Buffalo Soldiers also.
Very interesting
Just and FYI: Calvary is the crucifixion of Jesus. Cavalry are soldiers mounted on horses.
Another brilliant installment…enjoying the channel immensely…the stories, atmosphere, imagery, art, and old photographs…and curious to know who the music is by? Thanks!
Its just stock music we found titled "Waltz For Zachariah"
Thank you for watching!!
Great. Thanks. Love the history of the West. Great narration and pics.
Great documentary, amazingly presented. You got a new sub. Can anyone tell me where the scenes were from, asides from, Dances With Wolves, Hostiles and Lonesome Dove?
Ford was a tactician for sure, glory seeker is a description best kept for the likes of Custer!
Great stuff. I grew up in Granbury, Texas which is home to Comanche Peak. Just west is Lipan (after the Lipan Apache) and further west is the town of Comanche. I now live in Travis County, the County north of Hays. Most people have no idea how precarious life was for the settlers here until the Texas Rangers finally drove out the Comanche. They never settled in reservations and many of them just disappeared into Mexico.
I really appreciate you taking the time to make all of this great history come to life.
Our family is from Comanche! Beautiful country.
@@historyattheokcorral it just feels like the beginning of the West. I just feel that vastness of Comancheria west of there. Other than the windery it has not changed too much...unlike Austin or Granbury.
Quannah Parker,son of Peta Nacona son of Iron Jacket. What a blood line!
love your channel !! you mentioned early in this video that the native forces with the rangers were armed with repeating rifles. with the henry and the yellowboy still a few years in the future what are these rifles that you speak of being present in 1858 ? please keep up thig great work !!
Found a blog by Tom Correa , the American cowboy chronicles .
The antelope hills expedition of 1858 (2013)
that addresses your question .
@@psychiatry-is-eugenics Link please?
I love the channel! Wish you would do a video on the Lincoln County War in New Mexico
One is in the future!
@@historyattheokcorral Definitely! Can't wait 👍
Really appreciate you, what you do and how you do it bud 😇💯💯
Excellent job 👏
Many of these events and people covered here on your channel..i used to have to go to a library to try and find books about...i did find many books of varying degrees of fact&fiction over the years.
But there was never enough time in a day a week or a year to really dig deep for something that wasnt about only the little bighorn battle,Billy the Kid,
I would as a kid in the 70s and 80s bury myself in books...at some point i realized there is just no way i can cover it all.
So thank you for doing the hard parts about bringing some deeper history about the west
I can listen here and learn a bit more background on events and especially those Native Americans with those odd but amazing names...Iron Shirt,Wooden Leg,Buffalo Hump,and a whole range of names..how did they get those names? I can sit here and drink coffee in my garage and catch up on stories i never had time to look into for myself Bravo-Zulu!
Just found your channel. New one to listen at work. Thanks.👍
Enjoyed the summary of the event. As to your questions... it was and is the was of the Cosmos. I do admire the Ranger grit however.
Really the Commanche created the rules, and to win you have to play by them.
The same rules of hit and run just more mobile due to the horse and location
I would be interested to know what repeating rifles where available to these Texas Rangers & Allies in 1858 ?
wondered that very same thing myself, other than thinking colts pistol was much better by then.
Even handed. Well done sir. Aboriginal history was being recorded and lived for as long as anyone
Very good story, your voice is perfect for story telling, subscribed
I say YES to all of your questions. We cannot judge the combatants of either side by 20th and 21st century standards.
As Billy Joel says, "Who is wrong and who is right does not matter in the thick of the fight"
@@wisconsinfarmer4742 The Native Americans fighting to keep the land of their ancestors were doing what anyone would do to protect their family and defend the right to live free on the land that they inherited.
@@HankSeramur .... the land they brutally seized from other indigenous societies.
@@HankSeramurbut that’s not what the Comanche were doing, they were just raiding and invading territory that wasn’t theirs causing multiple wars.
@@TmanRock9 Ill-conceived notion.
Good and tasty as always folks! Congrats I never know that the Tonkawa were provided with breech loaders and colts. The're at least 2 further cases of iron jackets reported, Cheyenne and Blackfoo I think. Besides McMurtry in the flicks you showed is a wonderful showing of the fight in The Searchers by Alan LeMay written, unfortunatedly not in the movie .You did a fine job and an important one too. Greetings from Northern Germany! Ludwig
Thanks Ludwig! Always great to hear from you!
They were all correct for their time the Comanche, became the masters of the Prairie, after the horse was introduced to the Great Plains The Comanche were the most feared cavalry west of the Mississippi and south of the Arkansas river
The only way they could be defeated was to attack them when they were most vulnerable during the winter months a tactic used most successfully by the US cavalry led by George Armstrong, Custer and Raynald McKenzie, but it was a long, hard battle and many years before the Comanche were all on Indian reservations in Oklahoma
The Comanche ruled the biggest area ever by a Tribe, and they held it for 150 years. The Comanche rivaled the Spanish conquistadors in Power and Wealth. The Comanche were big slave traders and profit seekers, Texas,,,Oklahoma,Kansas, Colorado, and New Mexico were part of Comanche land
"Attacking the people in the winter...when they are most vulneralble....you named also Custer...the massmurderer... areyou proud of the killing of Comanche's or any other tribe?? You are all massmurderers! Shame on you! You live in a stolen country, on stolen land...you live in an ocean of blood and guild and god will jugde you for this!
And we all know what happened to Custer: incompetent, self-absorbed, mood-swinging, hyper-sensitive Custer, who ultimately led his men into certain death.
The book Empire of the Summer Moon is amazing read on this time period. Interesting fact the turning point of defeating the Indians was the invention of the Colt revolver. The ability to fire 6 shots quickly was a more superior weapon against the skilled Indian fighters with a bow.
Totally agree. Read the book last year. Fascinating read.
Thank G-d for the Texas Navy
@@ragnarrklangsrok1685 huh from who's point of view ? Comanches were there first
@@charlesciminera5881 The Comanches took that land from other tribes so what was wrong with taking it from them?
It's always wrong to take land from others but I get your logic it's just man's inhumanity towards man and after all these years it's still happening
I'm reminded of a scene in John Wayne's best ever western, the searchers.....
When he finds the body of one of his nieces,
One of two kidnapped by the commanche under scar,
Geoff hunter asks...
" well..... Was she..?.."
Wayne spits out the words visibly shaken...
" don't ever ask..... As long as you live,dont ever ask me...".
Fiction, I know, but memories of the ferocity and perfected cruelty of the commanche live long in the memory.
I can't believe I haven't found this channel before. Amazing work
Glad to have you here!
Yet another excellent video 👏👏👏
In my village here in England there is a mile marker with the date 1860 inscribed into the stone. It’s crazy to think that this was happening around the same time that was put there.
A great piece of American history. Thanks a lot for the video. Colin UK 🇬🇧
I've been pigging out on this channel over the last few days - much respect to the Comanche people. Time has passed, things have moved on. But you are still Comanche - if you choose to be. Spartans, Athenians, Romans, Crazy Germanic Horde Guys, Maori, Tongan, Samoan, Hawaain (SP?) Apache, Sioux, Who cares? If you have a native affiliation - big ups to you! Keep it alive! I only have a Brit colonialist affiliation - although I love being a Kiwi.
Plains warfare is the epitome of the old adage; "Hurt people, hurt people".
Really enjoyed this mini documentary. It was very informative and entertaining. Love history, this way great.
So glad!
What is the movie footage used?
This was very good presentation. There are several books about the Parker family up into the early 1910's..!! Q Parker died a very rich man..!!
The armor pictured isn't the type he wore. He had chainmail. We know this because after he was killed at little robe creek I'm 1858, the tonkawa cannibalized him, the rangers sent his spear and headdress to the governor in Austin and the rangers broke apart his chainmail and each of them kept a piece.
Yeah, there's definitely a few mistakes in this production, like the photo of Pet Nocona, which is actually a photo Quanah Parker (on horseback).
it is actually stranger that he had chainmail than a cuirass. really makes you wonder what that shirt's story is...
@@Sutorenja it was supposedly "passed down from his ancestors". I'm guessing someone took it from a Spaniard who was killed exploring Texas. They had already been coming since the early 1500s. I don't think the Comanche migrated to Texas until the late 1600s tho. My dates may be a little off
Can anyone tell me the movies they’re cutting scenes from? The ones with the Prairie Raids
It from Larry Mcmurty book,not ure I pulled it correctly
Totalitarian war, for the native Americans, my family lived in this area, and had legends of surviving attacks by Apache and comanchero band's. They were historically very loose bands of young warriors!
My family has a gun culture to day, because of these threats of +150 yrs ago! ( Family legend was; great, great grandma Florence met a band of raiders, with water and food, they left her and her children alone, going on to massacre the next farm/ranch! She, Flo was known for being half "mad!" Crazy!
It is nicely narrated, but some of the pictures/illustrations and footage are way off. What do paintings of US Cavalry charges and scenes from Dancing with Wolves have to do with this?
That was a different time in history. A clash of cultures with little pity. Men have always fought for what they believed in . To judge one group worse then another isnt quite fair in todays views. If someone attacks you, you'll probably fight back. Someone does you wrong you get pissed. And may retaliate.
pic source? 12:59
Great information and presentation. Does anyone know the site where this battle took place? It would make a great documentary .
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What movie or show clips are in the background?
Well done. One caveat. Didn't realize there were repeating rifles in 1858, mentioned, during the initial major confrontation between natives.
Civilians had them they hadn’t become as common as later with the Winchester I think the first multi fire king arm was produced by browning for Mormons it was a three chamber black powder musket with an open breac three chambered block Wich was preloaded and slide akin a rail after each shot then another block could be used
First rate presentation. As I live near the Antelope Hills, I wonder if anyone knows where exactly this combat took place? Some descriptions of this battle seem to place it some distance away from the Antelope Hills.
I'm from Wichita falls TX the history of my family here fighting Comanche is crazy I don't know how they did it
BRAVO!! Well done. This gives a glimpse into the nuance of history. As facts are presented, one sided arguments tend to fall away....to the dismay of some, i might add.
The scouts need recognition as very brave men
Awesome, thank you!
Thank you
I cannot condemn the Comanche for defending their land and way of life by any
means necessary. Neither can I condemn the Texans and their allies for trying to improve their lives. Such is the story of humanity throughout time and history. The Comanche took the land from its previous occupiers and the Texans et al did the same. Such is the story of human existence. It will not end.
Isn't that pic of Peta Nacona a pic of Quanah Parker? It's the same person
very good vid man
The Tonka Indians were somewhat feared by the Comanche because the Tonka were cannibals and the Comanche didn't relish arriving in the next life with a chunk missing from their backside after a Tonka barbecue.
The year is given as 1858, and at 15.58 it states the indian allies have been equipped with repeating rifles. The Henry rifle was designed in 1860, as was the Spencer.
Your videos are the best 👍
@19:50: Quanah Parker not his father, Peta Nacona.
Great video, Thank you
You are welcome!
FYI, at 19:42 you introduce a "young, powerfully built warrior" by the name of Peta Nocona, yet the accompanying photo is that of his son, Quanah Parker.
No photos of Peta
Great story telling
What is that beautiful painting at 9.35 ?
I believe the Comanche raided a bit further south east at least once. They went all the way to the coast of the Gulf of Mexico and raided the town of Indianola. It's about forty miles or so south of where I live in Matagorda. People fled the town in boats to escape the Indians and watched them raid the town from off shore.
The Comanche raided all the way down to Mexico City. Buffalo Hump had the biggest raid down to Texas Gulf Coast