Comanche Warriors vs. Spanish Soldiers : Cuerno Verde's Revenge
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- A group of Spanish soldiers at a remote outpost in what is today New Mexico are forced to fight for their lives against a legendary Comanche war chief.
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I grew up in the shadow of the Greenhorn mountains in Colo. I thought it was named for a bunch of dudes (Greenhorns) that shouldn't be out West. I learned it was named after the Comanche chief about three years ago while reading Empire of the Summer Moon. Too bad they don't teach this stuff in schools... or even have an exhibit in the local museum
There is a monument on the way to Rye that tells the story
As decendent of these settlers I greatly appreciate your story telling. As a child My Great Grandmother would tell us stories of her childhood. I remeber one of her stories was of Indians who came to trade then later returned to raid and kidnap the village of Mora. This would have been in the 1870's. There was a treaty of trade made between the Comanche and the governer in Santat Fe in 1786 and that held for the most part until 1821.
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Mora is such a neat little place
My great great grandmother told me her great grand mother was sold to Comanches because her father was a drunk abuser so he made a deal with a band of Comanches
Welp, fk Mora. They shouldn't have been there in the first fkn place.
her family name?????
Your energetic story telling ability is absolutely amazing, and your voice inflection is second to none! Thanks a million for bringing this history to light.
The hispanic monarchy was not a self-proclaimed empire! It was an empire in all aspects and by all rights!
You’re right, they had the power behind the proclamation to make it so
@@hunnerat-touaregi4439 From your key board !
The Spanish never had any empire proclamation in their legal papers. King Carlos I was emperor but of the Holy Roman Empire, not Spanish anything. "Self proclaimed" you see how SELF PROCLAIMED historians use words to minimize others?
Indeed, and the most stupid, incompetent and hypocrite one. A consequential effect of the rotten roman catholic church. Pweeh!!
@@nomelleganlasnotificaciones that’s incorrect the Spanish had proclaimed the Imperio Hispania the moment the discovered Americas and started printing on their coins
I've learned so much from your videos. The Comanche really were fearsome warriors. They were also really cruel. I understand why some measures were taken by the US Cavalry.
Yes nothing was stolen from the Comanche because they were living on stolen land themselves. And they were brutal all men were instantly killed all older kids were instantly killed and babies were instantly killed and the women were sexually assaulted and kept alive including female children. There is no justification for that no matter how mad or angry you are. The women that were recaptured by the Texas rangers the toughest men that ever lived where shells of their former selves. 50% of all rangers died the ones that survive are called the toughest man that Texas has ever known.
Cowards. 😅
The Ciboleros were some dangerously tough men as well. They lasted til the decline of the buffalo. The trader branch were the Comancheros who were a rough bunch as well.
The name that the Spanirds gave to the bison-buffaloes was "cibolo", since they saw huge herds of bison when they were searching in the southern United States for the fantastic city of Cibola (abundant with gold). Something that astonished them is that they did not see the herders of these cattle (they did not initially understand that they were wild cattle). They were also impressed that the prairie Indians, when they hunted a bison, ate its raw meat and drank its blood.
@@josealbert4596 Goatis would be proud
There is a good book about the Comanches, titled Empire Comanche, written by Pekka Hamalainen. It seems that the superior orders that the Spanish had was to try to make all the Indians Catholic, including the Comanches, and put them at the service of the Spanish empire, so after having skirmishes, they quickly made peace, at the same time that the Spaniards gave gifts to the Comanches "donated by the king of Spain", consisting of low quality rifles, gunpowder, mirrors, bells, low quality knives, colored fabrics, old clothes. So the conflicts began when the Spaniards were expelled : the Mexicans refused to give any kind of gift to the Comanches. The worst thing for the Comanches were two or three smallpox epidemics almost immediately that killed 80% of them. .
The name that the Spaniards gave to the bison was "cibolos" (because they saw them for the first time when they were looking for a non-existent city (similar to Mexico City) that supposedly existed in the southwest of the United States called "Cibola", in which there was "a lot of gold". When they saw the cibolos (bisons) they were surprised that there were no shepherds taking care of them (they thought they were domestic animals) and that the savages were the Indians who hunted them: sometimes they ate their raw meat and usually they drank the blood of the buffalo after hunting it.
The Spanish were great soldiers and great fighting tradition since the moorish occupation of Spain. And ,.for a while, they were the most battle hardened and respected infantry in Europe,.and transfered that military and religious fervor to the new world. Fact. That experience of occupation of their land made them battle hardened until the decline of their empire. The Spanish are very interesting.
when a nation bases their livelyhood on a rock (gold) they are doomed
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You either summed up the whole problem in just a few words or you didn’t
@@henryperez606he didn't because we extracted mostly silver from Perú. Inflation didn't kill the spanish empire, napoleon's occupation and the british taking that chance and fomenting meanwhile independence did.
The Spanish quit against the Apache
100% agree. The Spanish were a product of their times. They had to be hard and fierce bc of the people they were up against.
Excellent content and presentation. A very enjoyable video, thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
As Always, a Brilliant and Informative Video!!! Thank You!!!
Fantastic channel 👏👏👏 Keep up your great work 👍
Great job! Love your endings “Other stories for other times.”😊
This an amazing channel. So good. No reenactments! Nice artwork. Great narration and music. Music not too loud! And the content of the course.
Amazing championship narration/storytelling! Thanks
Thank you for the video. Great storytelling. Very interesting.
Excellent narrative, beautifully told.
After the adoption of the horse, the Commaches are believed to wear heavy leather armor and used the horse as heavy Cavalry, i.e. charge the enemy. About 1700 the French introduced muskets to tribes along the Mississippi River, those muskets made the heavy leather armor ineffective. Thus the Commaches switched to using the bow from horseback and unarmored charges with lances of what we see in the 1800s.
Any source for this?
You can't adopt something that was already here lol
Also Numunu were here thousands of years before 1800 lol
-COMANCHE NATION
@@thechiefwildhorse4651 Do the Comanche pay reparations to the Indians they enslaved?
@@thechiefwildhorse4651 the historic record shows that Indian tribes had not seen the horse until the arrival of the Spanish in the SW and the French and English in the east. Furthermore the genetic record does not support pre Colombian horse, sheep or pigs populations. This is why Comanche raid exploded in size and range when horses arrived in their territory
@@cbbees1468 you think Comanches were never enslaved? That’s a stupid game to play. Humans guilting each other over slavery is like cursing at yourself in the mirror. We all have the blood of slaves and slavers in us at the same time
Another good one H.OK.C. You've got yourselves a winning formula there. Further to those leather shields though: According to the diary one of those captured,
the Comanche much preferred the neck hide from the Buffalo, with the hide side facing inwards.
And those Bows: Apparently the Comanche could fire them even while dangling from a galloping horse, and holding the arrows in such a way, as to loose
4 arrows in about 3 seconds.
4 arrows in 3 seconds would be from a very week bow. If you want Power you'll need some time to draw.
@@konradvonschnitzeldorf6506 short bows are much faster and easier to use on horseback
The comanche remind me of special forces. I read in Empire of the Summer Moon, by Gwynn, that they did fire their bows while hanging from the horse neck, and at a quick pace of three. He also went on to write that the warriors collected metal from the Spaniards using it in the place of flint for their tips.
Found this really interesting thanks 👍
Another one thank you
Another great one. The descriptions of the different Comanches, were well done. Thank you.
It’s interesting to think how different things would’ve played out if the Comanches could muster armies the size of Steppe Nomad armies like the Mongols or Huns
they put up a hell of a fight but were too decentralized to be so organized as a large army. it is interesting to think about for sure!
I also, can see a distinct comparison between Comanche; Hun and; Mongol. All remarkable in the face of opponents with similar-ish weaponry.
All seemingly unbeatable, when lead by remarkable commanders. And unfortunately, not much good without those remarkable commanders.
Buuuttt, the Comanche also had to deal with introduced diseases and an opponent with ever evolving weaponry.
The Comanche were undoubtedly masters of war and as such would either be: Victor or (sad as it turned out) Vanquished.
Not sad at all
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Still here
-COMANCHE NATION
Too busy killing each other
Fabulous story, really enjoyed it.
This is a very enjoyable and interesting podcast.
As a kid, I watched so many Cowboy and Indian films and started reading the history of the Americas.
Thank for more information
What a fabulous tale ! More please.....
Another great story. Well done.
Great job...
Keep it up...
Was amped up to get the notification...
Thank you very much for watching!
Very informative and interesting. This would make a good movie.
Very interesting history story! I love listening to history stories!!
Sabia esta historia aunque es bastante.desconocida sobre todo fuera de España parece increible que se ignore muchas veces que hasta mas del 50% de E.Unidos fueron de España mas extension que los britanicos y que estuvieron mucho mas tiempo que los britanicos alli 157 años frente a 300 de España.
The Spanish crown did control the coastal areas of the northern and Western gulf of Mexico. I live in Northwestern florida in Santa Rosa County in the State of Florida. Many of the older streets of nearby Pensacola Escambia County have Spanish names like Intendencia and Cervantes. Their first settlement here was destroyed by a hurricane and life was hard for them.
They also controlled coastal of the southeast and were driven out of some of it in the17th century from Savanna, Georgia by the British officer Oglethorpe. Some think our local southern white bulldogs were brought by spanish settlers to the region. The cracker cattle and horses certainly came with spanish to Florida.
@@loquat44-40 Interesting...in addition to that not long ago some Scientists found out through DNA that the U.S longhorn cattle comes from Spanish cattle of the Canary islands ( wich is rather strange).
@@sergiofernandez4566 It not so strange and also we believe that the spanish imported dogs from Canary Islands.
It was a supply point for spanish ships going to the americas.
There is an article in a pdf format that I cannot cut and paste here that explains it. The conquistadores were still in the process of wiping out the indigenous people there that well prepared them to do the same in the Americas.
Here is its title and authors if one wants to google search it:
Review: The Canary Islands and America: Studies of a Unique Relationship
Reviewed Works: Primer Coloquio de Historia Canario-Americana (1976). ; Segundo Coloquio de Historia Canario-Americana (1977). ; Tercer Coloquio de Historia Canario-Americana (1978). ; Cuarto Coloquio de Historia Canario-Americana (1980). ; Primeras Jornadas de Estudios Canarias-America (1978). ; Segundas Jornadas de Estudios Canarias-America (1979). ; La Emigracion de Las Islas Canarias en el Siglo Diecinueve. by Julio Hernandez Garcia
Review by: James J. Parsons
Latin American Research Revie
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The canaries were a way point and supply place for spanish shipping on their way to the new world. We also believe that the larger working and war dogs of the Canary islands were sent to the new world.
journal article
Review: The Canary Islands and America: Studies of a Unique Relationship
Reviewed Works: Primer Coloquio de Historia Canario-Americana (1976). ; Segundo Coloquio de Historia Canario-Americana (1977). ; Tercer Coloquio de Historia Canario-Americana (1978). ; Cuarto Coloquio de Historia Canario-Americana (1980). ; Primeras Jornadas de Estudios Canarias-America (1978). ; Segundas Jornadas de Estudios Canarias-America (1979). ; La Emigracion de Las Islas Canarias en el Siglo Diecinueve. by Julio Hernandez Garcia
Review by: James J. Parsons
Latin American Research Review
Let's not forget the French who also colonized North America.
Amazing storytelling!
Great story. Thanks.
Thank you!!
Excellent story
He isn't quite accurate though. Our bows were 45-90 ibs max and circling while riding towards an enemy isn't "Comanche tactics" It's plains tactics. Also the Sioux were called the finest horsemen "on this continent or any other" by Crooke who fought the southern and northern tribes. The Comanche were huge and powerful but don't give them everything and say "only the Comanches could do so and so" it just isn't true
@@Daylon91 Jjust began this episode, but I believe the Sioux were considered the ‘finest light Calvary’ on any continent. Both tribes were bad ass for certain (Lords of the Northern & Southern Plains, the Sioux & Comanche)
I’d have to give the nod to the Comanche for savagery, & the Sioux for sophistication.
I’m a broken record, but I cannot help feeling that Empire of the Southern Moon is one of the finest books I’ve ever read (probably 5x + !!). Would love a similar work focusing upon the Sioux.
@@Daylon91 t'epi kin he waste le anpetu!
One of the best episodes yet!
Thank you!!
The Spanish soldiers were the best horseman in Europe at that time .
Ofcourse. Learned the tactics of Moors.
The Magyars and Hussars would protest that.
Yes, Luis
@@mutawi3iSo that's the secret why the moors lose the iberia huh, sharing tactics
@@mutawi3iArabs are always losers they never had a single inch of territory in the west (France, Germany, England , but when the west conquers they always lose since the days of Alexander to the British empire😂
I love your stuff. Not sure if there are other interpretations but yours do ring true, at least up to the point others diminish it. Still, love what you're doing. It's a gap in A history that needs exploring. Thanks dude.
Very interesting and well done.
This is a great channel
Very good video.
Thank you very much!
Note1:The Comanches were cousins of the Mexicas(Aztec)
Note2:Those "Spanish soldiers" were mostly indians,as well the "Spanish settlers",Otomies,Mixtecos,etc,etc, 🤷🏽♂
Yes, most of them were indians but somehow they were ALSO Spanish as they were subjects of the crown.
@@sergiofernandez4566 shut up Sergio
@@sergiofernandez4566 Exactly.
@@defyjayy8335 The Habsburg's Empire had not only European Spain also have territories all over Europe, Asia, África and América SO It had Italians, Belgians, Dutch, German and French SUBJECTS (apart from "Indians" and Philippinos ) so even the "core" was in Madrid all of them were equal. Educate yourself a little you arrogant ignorant.
@@petrolillos Le he echado un vistazo a su canal y con sorpresa veo que compartimos gran parte de canales visitados ( a pesar de que no estoy suscrito a algunos de ellos). Un saludo de Canarias Jesús.
This episode reminds me of one of my favorite stories about the Spanish and Comanche. Like Byzantine Emperors with various enemies, the Spanish did the math and decided it was better to buy off the Comanche with an annual tribute payment. This kind of worked until the Mexican Revolution ended Spanish control of New Spain.
When the Comanche showed up for their yearly haul of gifts the Mexican official in charge explained that they had a budget problem and there would be no gifts that year.
Comanches: "wrong answer".
They proceeded to devastate Northern Mexico because of the affront of what was to them a broken treaty. Not sure why but I do find this pretty funny as a meme.
It was an idiotic policy to buy peace through tribute... There was not a "king" or big chief of the Comanche to make treaties so each band of Comanches in practice was independent, also they could have peace with one community and destroy the next one... Juan Bautista de Anza or Jack Hays showed that the right answer was always counter raids or punitive expeditions to destroy Comanche camps, that force them to make peace or deter them to attack
@@Chepicoro True. The Spanish Empire was pretty weak by 1800 and Texas was not a profitable or revenue-producing area so, they had very little military presence there.
Yes, the son followed in his father's footsteps, and wore his headdress. I won't give away the story, assuming HOKC will continue it. The headdress is supposedly in the Vatican today. Greenhorn Mountain, SW of Pueblo, CO, is named after Cuerno Verde.
At 18.24 we're looking at a painting by Catlin. A young Mexican captive who made it to a Comanche brave, He Soo Sanches.
Wasn't he a slave? Also what's a Comanche brave?
@@secredeath If you know the painting by Catlin, you know that he's no slave !
Cannot wait
The Comanches and many others did adopted the Shield and Lance on Horseback attack style from the Spaniards and others, from North to South, since the early days before gunpowder and rifles was introduced.
Read the Winter Long Counts. It never tell lies !!!
The Comanche fought to the very end. I read a book called Empire of the Summer Moon about these people. They were incredible. They could hit a target with an arrow from horseback the size of a doorknob. And they didn't do it upright. They would drop to the side of their horses, aim under the horses neck, essentially using the horse as a shield, and loose the arrow.
They had a war formation as well. A taper type formation. They would approach enemies in a triangular formation. By the time you made contact with the leader of the formation, the tip of the triangle, the rest were already circling out and surrounding your unit. These were calculated warriors for sure. And they terrorized and terrified the white man.
They were terrified of men like Jeff Turner, who stalked, scalped and killed many of them after a group of Comanchi men invaded his home, killed his wife and children while at home minding their own business just living their lives.
Nice video, and good drawings. In Spain history is not told well, specially from what happened in America (north and south). Regards.
I used to have to travel through Ojo Caliente every week, this story always come to mind, it is a neat little community!
Excellent
Thats north America,here down south,was a tribe know as Araucanos O mapuches they were like twins Comanche ,Chile and Argentina suffered the scorch of the raids for many centuries until the Remington come.
It's a wonder the Spanish didn't just say shoot at the horses bigger target and it would be a long walk home for the rider.
Your Spanish pronunciation is very fluid and impressive
Great telling of this story. I live in the beautiful Greenhorn Valley, in Colorado, where it is believe that Cuerno Verde II, "The Dangerous Man" was located, engaged and quickly killed by the Spanish. Its always been an interesting story and this was best telling of it, that I know of. Thank you.
After the Spanish Natives retreated after the 100 Comanches appeared, the battled lasted 3days... Cuerno Verde was the last warrior who fought til his death....his headress still remains in the Vatican today!
Excellent!
The value added comments are tops.
Human beings on earth
we will figure it out yet.
I read many people, especially young Texas born and bred Texas youth grew up hearing about the legendary Texas Rangers. A fuse was lit at Parkers Fort that would burn for 40 years. Obviously Texas youth definitely have to know of the Princeton educated Historian and author T.R. Fahrenbach who had written "Comanche's the Destruction of a People" and "Fire and Ice" A History of Mexico " and many other related books.
Excellent. Read several times, and in front of me now, harrowing but fascinating, Empire of the Summer Moon, Quannah Parker and the Rise and Fall of the Comanches, the most powerful Tribe in American History, by S C Gwynne.
what’s the background music? it always fits so perfect
"Waltz for Zacariah"!
Thank you. Support Native Americans. God bless them.
I was always sad when the Indians lost a battle. The Spanish are a great people. I love learning history, thank you Sir for speaking truth about it.
I love stories from the spanish west, they are so rarely told, its such an amazing land it was always so mysterious the spanish controlled it but barely even settled it, missionaries, a few soldiers and a handful of ranchers who had lands the size of small countries. They couldnbarely get any peasants from Mexico to go, I guess the local tribes were too dangerous? Then withing a couple decades of arriving the Americans had settled it.
Credit where credit is due, the Spanish fought well and beat the Comanche, and that you must respect.
Leather Jacks were pretty standard poor man's or troops that needed to keep their mobilities armour back into Elizabethan times, probably older. Not a new thing in the era discussed though of course they were adapted for the circumstances they were being used in and how much had been spent on the item.
I’ve stayed on a ranch right under the green horn mountains multiple times and my friend lives in the area
Guys, a good one today, but I'm used to be. I doubt seriously the kind of weapons the Spaniards especially the age of it, Mexico city gave a hoot to the Northern provinces and had always problems of their own. But the picturing of Green Horne,his court and his absolute power sounds to me like a very Spanish view of the world...The chieftain by heritage and the number of the Comanche too. ❤your channel and stick with your lessons. From Northern Germany God's Blessings Ludwig.
Thanks Ludwig! Blessings from Texas friend!
Not everything is the age of the weapons, also dealing with the population, knowing the terrain, the weather... All Native Americans from north to south were led by the cacique, the chief of the tribe, of the band. The heritage that the Germans leave from their culture to the future are luxury cars and an arrogant and psychopathic empire of 10 years.
perfect
Nice
We're being told about Comancheros.
Without the Spanish fighting down the Indians the west would have been even more brutal. The stories of the battles with the Navajo are hair raising. We should up to them civilized sheep herders.
19:05 That looks like an "actual" Winchester '94!
Close...it's actually a Marlin 94!
Bows used by the Mongols who controlled the Stepps of Mongolia and Russia did use bows that were highly refined and made from horn from wild sheep or native woods. Those bows were hard to draw but the Mongols were well adapted to their use and arrows from these bows were made to pierce armor. Not all of them approached a draw weight of 100+/- pounds but examples do exist. Bows used by the Western wild tribes on horseback, were usually short and designed to be shot from any position and by modern standards most had a draw weight from 40-60 pounds. Their short length precluded heavier draw weights and the skill of Indian archers was a thing that was developed at an early age. They were indeed accurate but being able to shoot rapidly, not necessarily accurately, was the secret to Comanche success with a bow.
18:00 I have a very hard time believing that the Comanche bow or the bow of any native North American tribe came anywhere close to 100 lbs draw weight.
Thats like an English long bow, 7 feet long, of yew, made to be drawn & shot like artillery, not a rapid fire, highly mobile weapon of in-dij cavalry .
The Mongols carried two bows, a 50 pound bow to be used on horseback, the 100 to 150 pound bows carried by the Mongols were used on foot. This was due to 50 pounds is all you can pull while on horseback. I suspect the Commaches did the same, for it reflect bow and arrow technology.
Native tribes didn't pull the bow outward as Europeans do, we push the bow outward from our body so as to maintain balance while horseback. There are also accounts of arrows shooting straight through buffalo and sticking into the ground on the other side.
@@hezekiahwhiteman1784 First Americans also use the "Mongolia Release," instead of the "Mederterrain Release" when it comes to bows. The "Mederterrain Release" is to use three fingers to pull the string and if you are right handed, the arrow sits on the left side of the bow With the "Mongolia Pul
l" you use a "Thumb Release" (a device hooks onto your thumb and you pull the string with that devive) and the arrow, if you are right handed, goes to the right of the bow.
I have never read a clear statement that one was better then the other. The Roman Emperor Maurice, around 590 AD, had his troops use either method (He called them Roman and Persian methods, but is unclear if by Persian he meant what we call "Mongolia release").
The Mongolia Release had one advantage, you could put an arrow in the bow, three more arrows between the fingers of your right hand (again assuming the shooter is right handed), the archer could shoot all four arrows very quickly, even quicker then Texas Rangers could shoot they six shoot revolvers the Rangers adopted when fighting the Commaches. The Commaches do not seem to see the bow as obsolete till after the introduction of repeating firearms post US Civil War given this high rate of fire power the "Mongolia release" permitted.
On the other hand the "Mederterrain release" provided a longer pull and thus more power for the same length of pull.
In Europe, the "Mongolia Release" was tied in with the Composite bow of the Steepes. Given the Composite bow was held together by glue, glue that was NOT immune from the effect of water, was rare in Europe given the higher humidity of Western Europe (and the existence of Yew in Western Europe, a wood that could be used to make 100 to 150 pound bows). The Composite bow of the Steepes also were in the 100 to 150 pound rage but given the lack of Yew and other usable wood, the Composite bow was preferred on the Steepes.
As to First Americans, I have never seen any record that they used bows over 50 pounds. In the Eastern US, you had Hickory, another wood good gor bows, but the Eastern US and Canada was heavily wooded and a 50 pound bow was good enough given the heavy tree coverage in Eastern North America.
Thus most First Americans did not need a 100 pull bow, a 50 pound pull bow was good enough for them. The only possible exceptions would be the Commaches and Apaches, both well known bow users in areas with few trees. The Sioux, was a woodland tribe till they adopted the horse and thus no need for anything over 50 pounds while a woodland tribe, and as a horse riding tribe on the Great Plains stuck with the 50 pound bow if shooting on horse back.
Just an observation that the very strong pull bows of the English Long Bow and the Mongolia Composite bows never seemed to have been used in North America. Even English settlers had dropped them (Mostly due to such bows were tied in with the British Monasteries that had been confiscated by Henry VIII and by 1600 were seen as being tied in with the Catholic elements in what was increasingly Protestant Britain).
I.e. it was mostly Purtains who settled in the Colonies of New England and the Frontier, Second and Third sons of British Nobility in the South (with a huge population of thevies shipped to the Southern Colonies to avoid conviction of being criminals) with the Dutch in New York and Germans in Pennsylvania.
Sidenote: In the 1600s and 1700s it was viewed as against international law to ship convicted criminals over Seas. To get around this restriction, people accused of crime were given an offer, pay off the accuser with money such an accused criminal would bring in the American Colonies. Thus a lot of "Indentured Servants" had been unconvicted criminals trying to avoid the noose. This policy ended post American War of Independence, when Britain decided it was OK to ship convicted criminals to Australia.
Just a comment on Bows and Arrows in North America.
It can reach draw weights over 100lbs, and did. Its called a 'composite', and has been used for thousands of years by cultures everywhere.
@@paulmentzer7658 I'm speaking of my tribe, which is crow, and the way I was told by my grandpa how to shoot these shorter bows, and another factor was that plains Indians commonly covered their bows with hide glue, and sinew or wrapped it in rawhide or a mixture of both, thus increasing draw weight.
Riding towards an enemy while your circling isnt "Comanche tactics" It's plains tactics. You're giving the Comanche everything like saying they were the best horsemen whereas Crooke who fought both south and northern tribes said the Sioux were the best horsemen "on this continent or any other" the Comanche were powerful of course but don't make it seem like they were the only ones who rode like them. The Sioux would also hang off the side of their horse and shoot their arrows and guns. The Comanche did everything first for sure though but if they could do everything by themselves, they could have erased the Apaches and Cheyenne but couldn't. Also their bows or our bows were 45-90 ibs max.
...your information is not accurate
@@cammacgregor9354 Waiting for the correction.
@@cammacgregor9354 look at the Wagon Box fight. Eye witness accounts there.
@Cam MacGregor my information comes from eye witness accounts and people's comments on fighting indians like Crooke and Benteen
@@Daylon91
Numunu taught Sioux how to ride
-COMANCHE NATION
0:40 beatiful
Never blame the son for the deeds of the father, nor the brother for the deeds of the "brother." -- Commandment from Wr-Alda.
Thus, blaming a whole tribe for the deeds of some of its members is something that will bring destruction to the doers in the end, QED.
Listen to Prem Rawat!
With every story I hear the Indian wars make more and more sense.
What no caltrops?
This ancient weapon could have given the cavalry a very bad day indeed.....
Wonder if that's where " green horn" like first year on the job, comes from?
Where in today's map is the presidio located? Give me a close city, probably in Colorado
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That's a great story
Good stuff, but you have to turn the background music down. It’s too loud and annoying.
¡Felices Pascuas!
Vaya con Dios.
The Spanish had a weapon the Rangers didn't have, the one true religion, Catholicism. 🙏🏻
Basado
@@michaelhauser6440 You like committing blasphemy in the comments section of TH-cam videos?
@@HistoricallyRomantic It's not blasphemy, it's a fact. Even Jesus would admit that
AMEN
I was taught as a young boy how the Comanche were the Supreme horsemen of the southwest. Their stature was how many horses they had. Also the quality and health of said horses. I was told comparted to apache who would often steal a horse snd ride to death. Also i believe when tbey moved south they pushed apache west. Comanches were feared but respected.?
I think most people dont realize that it was native American tribes like the commanche and apache that is what kept all of Mexico and south america from invading north America. When the tribes were subdued, the door was left open.
In any case, the Comanches lost the war to the Spanish soldiers and their territory to the United States.
The Comanches completely prevented the Spaniards colonizing Texas. Especially when they learned to use horses and buy rifles in the French and American colonies in exchange for horses (which the Comanches bred, some of great quality) and mules (which they stole from the Spaniards). The Spanish rulers reached agreements with the Comanches: every year they would give them gifts (or rather tributes) such as rifles, gunpowder, knives, cloth, used clothing, ornaments, mirrors, etc. In exchange for not attacking the few Spanish populations, they sometimes did this and other times they did not. In New Mexico, however, they came to have a certain friendship with Hispanics, they even sold in New Mexico what was stolen in Texas. The Spanish government reached an agreement with Moses Austin to bring settlers to Texas, preferably of German and Irish origin, in exchange for giving each family of settlers 500 hectares of arable land in the area of the Brazos River, or 1,500 hectares in non-urban areas. suitable for cultivation. but they would have the mission of fighting the Comanches. Around that time , 1821, it happened that the Spaniards left America and at the same time the Comanches suffered three epidemics that killed most of them, and then the Rongers appeared.
Got em
15:05 escopeta is a shotgun
Glad to hear a great victory by the Spaniards.
Is this related to calling someone a "Green Horn"?
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THE SPANISH!
Just wondering whether the Comanches owe reparation to the Indians they captured and sold as slaves?
No. Only white people in all of known history were slavers and conquerors. Everyone else were peaceful Hippies. Sub-Saharan Africans had magical powers and built cities like Wakanda and built the pyramids, the Muslims were only spreading the religion of peace, the Aztecs and Mayans weren't really doing human sacrifices, they were actually performing the first open heart surgeries that the evil White People misunderstood as religious sacrifices.
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I live in loving nm the rifle that was lost is worth millions. The rifle of the lead cattle driver.
15:50 Criollos. Cree-ö-'yös
I wonder what would have happened if the Comanche, Apache, Kiowa and other Plains and desert tribes had united to drive out the European settlers. Things could be so different now.
Well...the Lakota, Cheyenne and Arapaho tried that and only succeeded in winning a few battles, but eventually lost the war. The Indians problem wasn't simply numbers. It was a lack of logistical support. Since everything they had was handmade or stolen...when they lost a battle their horses, weapons, and food were not easily replaced. That's why the US Army would destroy captured villages. They knew that it would take months or even years to replace the lost goods. On the other hand...European technology allowed mass production of weapons and food to sustain their ability to wage relentless warfare. Which gave the enemy no respite to replace their losses. It was always going to be a simple matter of attrition!
Divide and conquer and sadly its working. All through history..
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The Aztecs were using their neighbors for human sacrifices. I’m not exactly sure I would count that as pitting neighbors against each other. The victim tribes just did not want to have the beating hearts ripped out of there Chest anymore.
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These south west native tribes were spanish speakers from raiding and trading into spanish and later Mexican lands .
15:03 would the arrows just "Bounce" off the leather armour?
They would likely stick...but not penetrate, except at very short range.