Ryzen 8000 & 9000 APUs Will Make GPUs POINTLESS!
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0:00 Apple Announces Their M3 Processors
1:35 AMD's Going To Focus On This
2:46 Ryzen 8000 And 9000 APUs
4:28 HDDs Are Officially Dead - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
HDD are still currently viable for long term storage for things that don't get used a lot & when used don't require faat read / write speeds. Such as saving important files as a backup location.
Yeah but who the f*ck cares about that. Damn I hate HDD's so much. I remember every time I died on Witcher 3 on the Xbox One S it made me want to stop playing that game because it would take like 30 seconds for the game to reload. On my PC, 3 seconds and I'm up and running. Granted that may also be related to the Jaguar processor being very slow and the HDD on the Xbox One being a slow 5400rpm drive.
@@hugopereira5640 , you completely missed my point. I was referring to saving backup files on them that don't get used or modified much, such as images, documents and other important digital files in case something happens to the important files on your SSD that you use regularly.
A single hdd alone is still not very good for backup since they're mechanical and prone to failure. You'd really want some type of raid system that will preserve data should a disk die.
My rule of thumb is to keep 1 2TB HDD solely for backups, pictures, and portable media/app duplicates.
@@andrewmaughan1205 Yes of course, but those are very niche uses lol. I don't think there are that many people who are going to use them for backups and such. For the average user HDD's are completely obsolete, and thank god for that.
HDD's have their purpose. Lot's of space for cheap, perfect for files you don't access all the time. Just a quick search shows 20TB HDD's in the range of $450(cad). 16TB Sata 3 SSD is around $3050(cad). I can literally have 7.5 times the storage at $2700(cad). OS and secondary drive both are good to be on SSD, for things you hardly ever access but don't want to get rid of, or huge movie/video collections HDD's are great.
I have i5 2500 , 8 gb ddr3 1600mhz , GTX 760 3gb , and I use 240 gb ssd for win 10 , 480gb ssd for game World of Warships & 1tb hhd as storage and platfom for "older" games like Pilars of Ethernity , I am close to PC upgrate , and when I do that I get 2 , m.2 500gb system , 1tb for games but I will keep hhd , as hdd when fail dont erase evenything you have on hhd and I save loot of wows replays ! , that is why I will use hhd as long I want to .
Yep, HDD's are still pretty much essential when it comes to bulk storage, unless you've got bottomless pockets and can afford to buy multiple SSD's for an array.
Having a smaller one installed in your system (500GB-1TB), also comes in handy and can be a lifesaver when it comes to backing up your system and other essential files.
However, they are pretty much dead when it comes to playing current titles. Older games (5+ years) and emulation are still OK though, if you can bare the long loading times.
No... HDDs are too easily corrupted in comparison to SSDs... Doesn't make any sense to use them for anything anymore...
@@ShaighJosephson Eh, no, not really. Hard disc drives are generally more reliable than SSDs, and their failure modes are less destructive (and easier to recover from).
@@ShaighJosephson maybe if you get a bad drive but in my 20 + years of using HHDs i have had 2 fail. The failure rate is blown out of proportion. And for people that use massive amounts of storage they are the only sensible option. Try backing up 30 TB or more in SSD, and you are looking at thousands of $ . It will also take up way more space then 1 or 2 , 15 to 20 TB HHDs drives.
A major job of a spinning rust HDD is to store everything that doesn't need the performance of the SSD, to free up your SSDs for things that do. (I have two 2TB nvme's, and a 2TB SATA for things that don't need nvme, but can benefit from an SSD. Then two 8TB HDDs.)
Why so much storage?
@@DardS8BrHe probably has a lot of stuff lmao. I have way too many random files backed up because who knows when I might need a badly translated PDF manual on how to operate some esoteric soviet vehicle or an extra dozen operating systems
@@DardS8Brthat must be 4k bd porn lol
@@DardS8Br probably lots of porn videos what else ??? ....
The 8-TB SSD - Go Go Gadget storage :)
Hdds for gaming PCs have been dead for years.
Yes and no. Yes for gaming itself but for other stuff like media storage they're not obsolete at all for how little they cost in comparison to an ssd of the same size.
I still use them for certain games and they run perfectly fine.
I was really mad at my friend who bought a 4tb HDD instead of a good M.2 SSD. He doesn't even use the space
@@WyattOSheano one’s taking away HDD for storage.
The op said otherwise lol.@@ablet85
We've ascended past clickbait at this point, need a new name for titles like this
True.
The same "XXX APU's Will make GPU's Pointless" have been used a lot of times.
Especially considering, the talk is about Mobile APU's, not Desktop APU's.
These next line of APU's will be a godsend for entry level PC gamers. However if the 4090 is any indication of the failings of both ASIC and game publishing/developers, all the benefits of the new APU's will be lost on future titles, even with FSR3.
But will be amazing office and freelancing machines... I mean, these will be compact yet quite powerful, extremely good for small builds, etc.
non AAA games and other utility and low load productivity work will work fine, but its too bad how games are getting less optimized and more demanding over time
@thisguy well i know your mom also see you as a disapointment in life😂
The problem is developers, publishers. There isn't enough hardware on earth to play poorly-programmed games without a trace of optimization.
@@user-km7vf8ig7m>_< ok, bot
I was hoping that this would happen at least we will have so much room in our Case. We may need like a monstrous heatsink but still it's laying flat on the motherboard, rather that seated vertically and occupy a lot of space inside the case. With the introduction of AMD X3D technology APU will be even more appealing.
The gaming rig that I built 5 years ago (and I'm still using BTW) I built with NVME SSDs and I use twin HD's for backup (mirrored). Over the years I have increased the size (and speed) of the NVMEs and I swapped out the 5GB HDs for 10GB each. Backup, backup, and backup again. I do an image backup (to NVME) once a month and once every quarter I save one of those images to HD.
I back up nothing. Its all cloud based these days.
$$$@@Zombie101
@@Zombie101 SMH
@@ScoopDogg nah I'm just not poor
I only use HDD for archival purposes and for storing 4k source video. Even then, I use a dedicated 4GB Ramcache for the HDD and an SSD proxy for video editing. Other than that, I've been using SSD for more than 10 years starting with my Fujitsu Tablet PC.
SSD's are legendary anyways, this is a step forward for the industry.
The last time I had an HDD for my PC was when the WD Raptor 10k rpm first came out. I only had the first generation model then moved on to SSD SATA drives. Now I only use M.2 NVME drives in my PC and HDD drives only occupy my NAS server.
I still use my hard drive regularly, to keep video files and backups. But in terms of a boot drive or location for commonly used programs, I haven't use a hard drive for that in at least a decade.
I hate to say, but I used to run a 1tb 5400rpm 2.5" hard drive as my main drive. Only like a year ago I switched to a 1tb M.2 NVMe PCIe 4.0 and its amazing. Still rocking a 2tb HDD for large storage.
hello , i follow your video daily , and i wanted to know if you think that we all need a 4or 8 to ssd for the future generation , or whe have to basicly storage that on a hdd and transfer it between them , because it's getting heavier and heavier .
A bit too early and too presumptuous to say that GPU's will be rendered pointless by APU's. I've heard that before.
I just got a Western Digital Black 5tb today for storing all of my steam library on. My 2tb of M.2 got full really fast on my new PC only 2yo. The mass storage options on the wafer drives are or should be always available
I had a nice Toshiba X300 8TB HDD as my primary game storage for a couple years. It was a surprisingly agile 7200rpm drive, but with my massive Steam library alone, and all the constant updates it wants to perform nearly everyday i power up my PC, the time it would take to ramp up the download speed, max speed it could achieve, and worst of all the time between switching updates, i was slowly getting frustrated. Last black friday i snagged a 4TB WD Black SN850X, and got rid of the HDD. Much snappier system, and I was more than happy to compromise the total capacity for much better speed.
What if you could use the apu and a nvidia gpu, would you get 3x the perf using all features?
Talking about all the storage space requirement, what does all the space used up for when the RAM requirements still somehow stays approximately the same? Maybe that's why they need SSDs for the faster IO for all the assets load/unloading?
I've got HDDs in my PC, but they are for storing media & other things. However I am going to be making them offline backup external storage with SSDs being the only internal storage. I got 40TB with 16 being HDDs. with the 8TB Samsung SSDs finally under 400 (364 to be exact) it's a good time to replace my two 8TB HDDs with they. I got a 4TB SATA SSD for my old Steam Games, and a 2TB NVME for the new titles. However I am going to be getting a Intel U.2 Enterprise 8TB SSD as my single Steam drive soon (same speed as a Gen 3/4 NVME) they are way cheaper than any M.2 8TB on the market (by 50-60% less) plus they'll last longer too.
As for the 40CU APUs from AMD I would love to get one I can make a nice 1080p/2K Steam PC easily plus I can use the 16 lane PCI-E slot for a SSD card were I can fit 4 to 8 NVME SSDs on all in a 6 liter (or under) case.
the important improvements must start with Hard Disk especially new technology and algorithms for direct access, that was written in more details (Something similar to adding the feature of wireless transceivers to hard drives.)
I have a couple of really big HDDs, but I don't really use them for storing games I'm playing. I mostly use them for videos, CD Rips, etc. Sometimes, if I want to offload games I've added mods to, I'll move those games to one of the HDDs and keep them there until I'm ready to play them again. Also, if a game is really old and kinda small, running it off of an HDD isn't that big of a deal. If it's new, though, forget it. That's just time wasted.
I still include a large HDD in my system for purposes of video storage, documents and some games (that don't benefit much from SSDs, older games and some other applications).
My 2 x 1tb + 350Gb sata HDD are used for all my older games, console emulators/games, music and 3rd party/open source programs. As well as temporary storage for recorded footage.
I also use them to swap large games location on Steam. Ones I'm currently playing are on the M.2 other on HDD. Saves me downloading them again.
I didn't understand that roadmap, was it saying more AM4 processors in 2024?
Yes, still running HDDs in my PCs because they do more than games and need the storage for video, pictures, and other items
requiring large storage more than they do speed. A fairly good combo for me is a 2TB SSD + a 5-6TB HDD. Others likely will
have different needs and will need whatever storage type is appropriate for their speed and capacity needs.
I also still have a hard drive in my gaming pc. I use it mostly for photo and video storage but it's great for older games too!
I just use 3 Samsung m.2 drives to get me to 6TB
@@DDD-xx4mg Sounds good for those who have 3 M.2 slots in their PCs. I have 2 PCs, 1 with only 1 M.2 slot and one with 2 M.2 slots.
@@ThePlantedTankTV Agreed. I timed it when loading Quake 2 levels from an M.2 NVME gen 3 drive and from my 1-TB WD black HD.
There was all of a 1-second difference in load times. I do like the large capacity of a good HDD for songs, videos, archival purposes, etc.
The fact that they are so cheap is also nice. I keep a couple around with bare-bonds Windows installed on them in case my boot NVME
chokes on me. Other drives in the system still can be accessed, as well as backups, which sometimes comes in handy.
the ryzen 7840u and hs have amazing integrated gpu's that reach even sometimes over a gtx 1650, i cant wait for the 8000 series apus
The last time I used a hard drive I bricked it because I decided it was a great idea to move it while running.
Years ago when I built a "gaming pc", I chose a Ryzen APU and was expecting to buy a discrete GPU later on. I never did buy that GPU because the APU was good enough (I don't stream or anything like that, I just play). Even on my M2 Mac mini, the graphics are decent.
As for hard drives, I only used external HDDs as backup media (Windows Backup or Apple Time Machine).
I have 2 HDD storage drives still in operation. I have 1 M.2 and 3 ssd's that my games and apps are installed on. Haven't used HHD's for anything other than storage for a few years now.
Majority of the games I have on my desktop are on hdd. I only have a handful on m.2.
Previous benchmark testing for games for the Apple M2 chip had performance levels between the GTX 1050 and the GTX 1050ti at best. This means that an M3 CPU/GPU hybrid chip with a 10% performance gain over the previous generation is not going to outperform the GTX 1050ti nor the GTX 1650.
I expect that at the rate of progress Apple is developing the GPU designs, AMD's APU line up will eventually surpass the performance of an Apple M2 chip within 5 years and probably surpass the M3 chip as well. It would not surprise me if AMD's APU lineup beats Apple's best CPU/GPU options within 5 years.
M1 and M2 are like most apple products massively overated unupgradable crap usually with a scummy amount of storage making whatever specs it has pretty useless. 256 gb storage is a joke
@@michaelandrews4783 Everything you said was true, especially the unupgradable part.
Since I have 32 GB of RAM and most games tend to use sub 16 I would very much appreciate if they could make some RAM caching system. Free RAM is about 10% of total game size. I do have about 2TB of SSD storage but I would still like to use my free 8TB of harddrive space for games with large filesizes.
Operating systems already use RAM as cache, but it's up to the software to attempt to load the data from the drive before it's actually needed.
I have a 12 GB HDD to store video files. I also have a 3 TB I use to back up my data. Hard drives will always be in use. Maybe not for the OS, but definitely for longer term storage.
i have 500gb ssd and 1tb hdd I'm thinking about removing the HDD and buying an M.2 1TB SSD but I don't know if it makes sense
I got a gaming rig with a 4070ti, but then i bought a tiny Ryzen 6800h mini pc for the bedroom, and i find myself using it for gaming more than my gaming rig, seems to do just fine for 1080p on medium to low settings on just about any game and if i want higher res and max settings i just stream my gaming rig to it, i like it because i can easily take it to my friends house and have little LAN parties without having to haul around a big old tower.
I really wish they split the 4k(and even 1440) textures into optimal downloads for games. The great majority of gamers play at 1080 anyway, and the 4k textures take up so much extra space that is just unnecessary for the average gamer.
Making them into optimal download packs could easily cut the size of most new releases in half. If not more. And since upscaling is already super common as the way to increase frame rates, this would benefit everyone.
lol played over 6 years with 4k resolution when do people go to 4k? I will never go back to 2k or let alone 1k lol.
Considering how all the soys in the world were successfully psyoped into loving fake resolutions and fake framerates now, maybe we don't need 4k grade textures anymore. Maybe even the assets themselves could be faked and your GPU just generates something passable from a low filesize asset. In fact haven't they begun mass faking the asset work via AI, with games like Cities: Skylines 2?
You can even fake skills like programming and technical artist work further than ever before now so maybe soon AAA gaming will be outsourcing less work for their high turnover business approach? Or maybe they'll outsource even more, helping uplift people from backgrounds of abject poverty.
Machine Learning is really something.
@@TheXextreem do you even really notice a real difference at 4k? Is there a measurable difference that you can tell apart, especially between 4k(2160p) and 1440p? The jump from 1080 to 1440 is the last one that can be readily apparent, 4k is beyond what the eye can notice. Especially close up on a monitor screen.
The human eye is literally not capable of seeing that many pixels, even theoretically.
Blizzard made a 20gig oütionl download for high/ultra stettings and 4k, so if you play medium 2k you aind need it and sve like 25% storage.
@@flanovskiydtauskiy5870 Why even play games when you can have AI do it for you. Just sit there and stare at it as it does it's thing. Will also put streamers out of work.
A simple fix for the SSD requirement is to buy 3 HDDs and run them in raid 0.
What worries me with games getting so large is that it increases the amount of traffic Steam needs to handle, as not only are games bigger but people are uninstalling and re-installing much more frequently. If this keeps going, Steam is going to have to increase their cut, raising the price of games. If that becomes way too expensive, they could offer a subscription service for unlimited re-installs or a free P2P-based system.
thats what ram cache is for, you just need at least 32 gigs of ram or 40, and primocache or a mod to do it for you i do this for all ssd required games. works great. i also have raid 0 boxes, good for transfers.
A fun experiment would be to see if a RAID0 array could be up to snuff if enough drives are present
Old spinning drives are significantly slower ..do the math and save your time and money.
Depends on the game. In most cases where an SSD is required it's because of random reads rather than sequential reads. Some race games also "require" an SSD, but in reality that's only because they refuse to use more than 8GB RAM despite there being another 20GB available. Games like that usually run fine off my RAID1 set.
RAID 0 is too vulnerable.
Go with RAID 1 0 .
The requirements don't say anything about needing multiple drives, one SSD should be enough
me here still playing with my hard disk :,v
Thank you brother, I have a mybook from years ago wd - usb 2.0, I need to upgrade to secondary m.2 or usb 3.1 storage backup device.
How about the old hybrid SSHD's ? Someone should try how they fare nowadays.
There is 22TB of HDD space in my home network, but every machine boots from an SSD of some sort and has at least 1TB of SSD space. I've upgraded even my over ten-year-old iMac and Macbook (both used rarely and only for Apple-specific applications) to an SSD boot drive. My main gaming PC has 4 of those 22TB, though that space is currently mostly empty. Nothing in my network boots or loads programs from a HDD.
you are liar 🤥
I only use HDDs in my NAS. Back in the day I still used to backup some games there, so I could swap them back when I wanted to play them and was out of space, but nowadays 100gb download is like 15 min, so I don't even bother. Also 4 TB NVME SSDs is more than enough.
i still have external HDD that has 57911 hours accoring to crystal disk info and its still running fine, just storing pictures, music and videos, firmwares of phones, and other devices and installers, portable or stand alone tools.
Will there be another APU like the ryzen 3200g? it's quite good for an entry pc it can even run gta5 in low settings 1080p with 16gb ram.
I'm not even running HDD in my main or AUX NAS, the backups NAS is full of spinners though
the problem with SSD is, i have kingston A400 128GB from 2018 but it down to 35% just in 2022, currently having samsung evo nvme as replacement. let see how long it will last
while my wd blue from 2015 feb still at its peak
and also i kinda disappointed with modern games, just starfield as example not mention it below expectation as i was thought it will be having landing like starcitizen or at least NMS, but instead it was full of cutscene
Still running HDDs. I hope that game platforms like Steam will allow you to choose fast or slow storage.
Bro is doing this type of title for an eternity now
i do still run hardrive on my system that's sad and yes especially that hardrives have around twice the storage of what an ssd could have i mean the maximum ssd storage is 8tb which is frankly massive amounts of storage but still hard drives have 2 times the space of an ssd
Yeah! There was important information about SDD, Many of the tasks undertaken by the CPU must be transferred to the hard disk, which is extremely important with regard to what is called big data, ….etc
But you can have games allocated to big hdd for not immediate use can you?
I keep my current games on non-volatile media like SSDs. Then, when I no longer play it, I move it to disk, with symbolic link placeholders in the original location. That way, the game is still accessible by either playing it off the hdd or I can copy it back to SSD later without having to reinstall.
although the bulk of my storage is SSD I still have a 1tb hard drive, I put older games along with some other stuff in there and the newer games go to the SSDs
Been hearing this since the first APU... Sorry but unless they make Giant APU's with HBM3E/GDDR7 memory its not happening.
isn't that simple to create APU, but we are getting close to it
M1 GPU has a performance equal to 1050
just more 5-gen at the max before
low GPU disappear of the market
maybe middle GPU too
@@darkpain2452 They made the console APU's and the Subor Z+ APU. So they can do it again.
I still game on hdd but it's 5 14tb drives in raid 5 + 2 wd sn850b 4tb drives as cache. I haven't had any hiccups
I'm still using 10yo HDD's for media on a makeshift home server. Thanks to triple A games, get ready to see storage prices inflate again.
With heavy compression on my 100mb 7200rpm drive, i can get 55fps in Starfield, thats with 3D Voodoo GPU undervolted. Had to do a little OC though. but the GPU is watercooled anyways.
HDDs not for demanding games but what you need for storing files therefore not dead.
Still have a hard drive for secondary storage. But my SSD is far from full
I still have 2TB HDD I've been using for several years. It serves me well for being a gaming hard drive, only until recently with the new games.
I run Cyberpunk and Starfield from a spinner just fine.
The trick is to have a cache drive like Optane.
You get the speed of Optane and the storage capacity of an HDD.
I'd prefer to move to high speed networking, 100Gbit+. That way any/all storage can be network wide and still be capable of high speed access. Although I'm not sure my CAT6aSTP network can manage that. But I'd like to think thats where its headed.
Iron drives still very much have a place with NAS systems. Modern Home gamer NAS systems can use a multi tiered system already. Rapid access cache NVMe's Mirrored for data reliability. Backed up by larger mechanical drives for long term storage.
10Gbit can be fully saturated by these systems already. So there's plenty of scope for cheaper networking down the road
i have Allen Wake 2 Starfeild and Cyberpunk all on a hdd
No Stuttering
I have over 700 games on Steam and most of those will run just as well from HDD as they aren't that disk-intensive.
seeing ryzen 8000 and 9000 APUs made me wonder how PC handheld going to evolve in these few years. im expecting Z1 extreme gonna be replaced soon with something equivalent to desktop 5600x + gtx 1660 super? and then docking system with integrated active cooling snap fit using magnet for full desktop experience? then i can ditch all type of tablet/smartphone/laptop/pc because i have everything in my pocket!
Ha ha. And u can play just old games. Even 4090 is useless in new games. U want to play games with apu which is 5-6 times slower. It will be possible at 720p low settings. I'm sure you will not like it
@@hristobotev9726 sorry bud. not everyone into intentionally unoptimized current gen $80 AAA games 4k ultra. i swear in the name of new and old gods, tens of millions of human on this planet enjoying games which doesn't require arms and legs.
I run 6 TB ssd for games and 4 TB HDD for movies, music and Photos. OS is on a 1 TB PCIe 4.0 M.2
I still use my 1TB HDD for saving my games, files and folders. It's used as a backup drive so that I dont have to redownload the game everytime. I use a gen 3 nvme ssd 1TB for boot drive and some games, 2 500GB Sata SSD for games and software.
Not only do I have an HDD in my gaming rig, it also has a optical drive and only a GTX 980...! 🙁 Other (expensive) hobbies have led to me to not upgrade my PC in ~8 yrs.
I hope they focus on getting fiber internet more into places so have fast enough internet to download those large games
I already have it :), it is still expanding
Fr man, I'm using a 8-14Mb/s wifi speed just fine and seeing people complain about 100Mb+ /s is just crazy
@@jayyusi it depends what one is use too. I for example get 10 gigabit fiber to the home so 100 megabits is low for me. But on my phone I regularly get less than 100(mobile data) so 100 would be a lot for me.
I just picked up Starlink in my area. Compared to the speeds I was getting on my Hotspot it's night and day with download speeds up to 100Mb/s and slightly higher.
Tell that to my streaming rig that still uses a 2tb hdd
Won't be upgrading till beginning or middle of 2026. I only use hdd for storage or downloaded files. Still have tons of files saved since forever
Someone should make a hybrid 8 Tb HDD, with 1 Tb SDD CACHE, or just a "copy to run" method, for gaming.
With that device, you would be able to store up to 8 Tb of games, that are 50 to 100 actual games, at 60 USD, 3k to 6k software cost, and the device with actual prices 8Tb HDD + 1Tb SDD would cost 300 USD, plus the "copy to run" software or CACHE hardware.
These existed for a little while, like 8-10 years ago. Didn't really take off as SSDs got more affordable
There is a way to do this with any pair of hdd and ssd (ten years ago the famous option was rapid storage technology
Check out Primocache.
If you want to play the new games you probably need those. Perhaps when 100 tb or a lot more tb ssd are cheap would be better also.
I planed last month for ssd instead of hdd.
Upcoming release of integrated graphics AMD 8000G doesn’t negate necessary of dedicated graphic cards because 8000g performance is limited to 1080p gaming with texture details settings to low and medium settings. Some games are stutters and unplayable FPs when running APU. Future APU won’t be replacing low-end dedicated graphic cards any time soon.
Not surprised hard drives are dead for gaming PC's - I mean, I haven't had a hard drive in my PC for 7 years now (but it was only about a year ago I finally stepped up to an NVMe drive). Even my NAS I migrated over to SSD's (those drives are SATA based). And yes, it does suck given the size that games are getting (esp. purchasing a game online when one connection has a data cap).
BTW - my NAS gets backed up to a rotating stack of hard drives (the way one would use tapes) - so I do still spin the rust. :-)
i was using an hdd all the way up till 2021 when it crashed. ssds are great, but expensive.
@@commonsense-og1gz Yeah, i brought a 1 TB SATA SSD & a 2 TB HDD nearly two years back (had Win 7 on HDD until 2021, which was getting slow as heck taking over 10 mins for the system to be usable after boot-up, so decided to upgrade to Win 10 and brought those two drives).
The SATA SSD was twice the price of the HDD while giving me half the size.
I know they are pricey - that's why I didn't switch all at once. Just careful budgeting, and strategic drive moves over the last 7 years.
Large storage still requires HDDs, that is not going to change any time soon. Can't beat the cost per terabyte of a HDD.
I sent an email many years ago to many tech companies about the same issue (documented).
But that’s not enough, both architectures of computers and networks(needs new protocols to suit big data) must change
r7-5800x3d and waiting for Fire Range 8 core X3D CPU will upgrade for that.
I always daydream about going back to the seventies and showing them(it, computer folks) this video on my phone.
i lubb the freaky superhero look in the ad style beginning of this video! wow! lol!
Not sad at all I've had all ssd rig for last 3 years. Why hinder progress with ancient tech
DAS connected via 10 Gbe I guess would be adequate for Gaming
thing about HDD is its able to store info for years without ever requiring to be powered on at any point its stored physically compared to data being stored electrically which is what a SSD does.. This means data on a SSD without power will hold its charge for about at most 3 months without a current charge which case you risk not just loosing some stored data but all of it if its not plugged into a power source through that whole time they do not tell you this because it wouldn't be a good slogan if they did.
As long as it able to remain active within a 3 month period then you'll be fine after that point you will start to run into issues with it. Its still best to use both in conjunction and use a HDD for stuff you know you will need for a long compared to a game that may or may not be there in a year always use HDD for long storage of stuff that is important.
bro.. the game coming out next year S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Heart of chernobyl will require 150gb SSD. its going to be a massive open world game
Last time I checked I have around 1 pb, with half of that in SSDs.
So I think I'm good. "0_o"
One HDD, 2 nvme drives with Raid. HD is for backups.
APU's will never replace GPU's for gaming. Games grow as technology grows, sometimes faster. 40 CU's sounds good.. but look how 7000 series performs in new games. It's all hype.
Not to mention the heat/cooling and power consumption needs.
HDD are still amazing and viable till this day for mass storage, and I dont think it will become less viable for this future either! You can get a 20 TB HDD for around 500 USD where I live, you can download all your gaming library in it, and get a 1 or 2 tb SSD to install the games you want to play in it, after you are done, you can just uninstall it and install other games from your HDD, I know its a hassle, but its way cheaper then getting a high capacity SSD for a huge amount of money, money you could spend somewhere else like getting a better GPU or CPU or even a monitor! So IMO I don't think games requiring an SSD is a problem!
clever! i need to try this
I haven't used a HD in "gaming" setting in over 10 years. Not since 128gb ssd's hit about $100. That being said I do still use them for long term storage of pics drivers of all the pc's I build and videos. But that is only on "light" gaming machines. True gaming boxes have no place for a hard drive. Can't afford the sata cable cluttering things up. lol
im only the one thinking that amd will in one day be at the same point with cpu's like intel ? like in smt 10 year from now we will see a i9 24900k and a amd 9 24700X3D?
And its key to win gpu and cpu in one chip but its too early to get perfomance like rx7800xtx or 4090
I don't believe we'll get 40cu APU's.
What are we at now, 12 - 16cu?
Last time it was 8- 12.
I think we'll get 16- 24 cu's in the next APU, and it's a maybe.
Otherwise entry gpu's like the 7600 and 4060 are not needed anymore.
But we'll see what the future will bring us.
On new games 7600/4060 manage just 1-2fps at 4k. Completely useless.
i have a 2TB HDD for pics and docs, i have an old laptop HDD 500GB, and a 240GB SSD which was original boot drive, now a 1TB SSD boot drive, a 480GB SSD that was original game drive, now a 2TB SSD game drive. i had an old 120GB HDD that was from an old vista computer that had some type of malfunction - it was the slowest drive ever even as a slave drive. when it was the main boot drive in another computer it would take 3-4 minutes just to boot up. i discarded that drive. and i had an old ps3 40GB drive that just didnt make any sense to have -too small storage. so i just have the 6 drives now in an nr600 case w/o odd.
Ideally you could use in the future integrated GPU which would be at the level of 2060(hopefully) along with another gpu either nvidia or amd to boost even more the performance - Wishful thinking :P
its gonna happen in the next few years. And with FSR 3 and beyond, that iGPU will be able to perform a lot better :)
Maybe after 10 years APUs might be on the level of RTX 2060.... I think APUs are still struggling to beat GTX 1050ti.
@@samal90 APU performing a lot better than RTX 2060... after a few years... dream on.
From some leaked GPU tests it shows the M3 max is equivalent to around a 4070 desktop or 4080 laptop chip.
The cpu in benchmarks are around the new raptor lake benchmarks. That’s insane!
@@GlobalWave1 They are probably "equivalent" to 4070 or 4080 only in synthetic benchmarks.
I mean, the vast majority of people now do have ssd's and its now considered an old tech. Technology is constantly advancing, it was only a matter of time.
Dynamic caching is cache related not ram
4TB NvME, 2TB 2.5 SSD, 500Gb 2.5 ssd (OS), 48TB 7200 HDD in Raid. I run everything in RAID for faster access. I played Starfield across the 4 HDDs in RAID and didnt notice any issues
personally I copy games I'm not actively playing to an HDD and swap them out as needed. also so long as APUs are stuck with dual channel DDR they will always lose to a dedicated GPU near the same node.