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- The story of my Porsche 928 continues! Let’s see what a MANUAL Porsche 928 is like! My auto doesn’t work very well and so it either needs to be fixed or we swap to a manual! Will a manual suit this Porsche GT car? Could it be better even? Let’s try it in a 1985 Porsche 928 S2 which is exactly the same car as mine! Join me for a full and detailed review of the manual transmission in the Porsche 928! Also hear an owner’s experience as the owner of the manual Porsche 928 joins me for a drive! I LOVE my Porsche 928 but do I love his more? Subscribe to my channel if you want to follow the story of my Porsche 928 and all of its issues and deferred maintenance! We will restore this lovely car together!
All researched, written, filmed and edited by me in Connecticut.
Merci beaucoup, Cyrille! T’es très gentil!
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IMO: Cut your losses and do whatever it takes to sell your car, and then look for a good example of a manual 928 that you can still make your own.
I’m with Nigel. I’ve had Porsches I could have kept and made better, but moved into ones that I sincerely preferred and have always been content with those moves. Sure your have a history and connection with the one you have, but you’ll love the one you replace it with more, I suspect. Cheers amigo
My 91 928GT now had 56k miles and is a delight to drive. A manual gearbox transforms the 928 experience.
Buy the manual
No one may care BUT, you can afford the manual. I’m a American 17 year old and I just bought one that I’m going to build up SO not calling you poor cars are expensive to anyone but the good deals are out there. Happy hunting, and check after tax season (if you have one I’m not entirely aware)
I love the way guys like you keep these beautiful cars on the road. The 928 is possibly the best car ever made. Have you tried changing the ATM fluid?
Hey thanks! Yes, I tried that!
Yeah, I half remember you said/did that from previous videos. Looking forward to many more videos on your 928. Cheers.
I was the 3rd
owner of Cyrille's 85 928S and it was indeed a gem. I sold it in 2013 to buy a 911 and I'm happy with it. Re 928 gearboxes, pre-85 manuals are not good, the synchros are weak and will grind. I'm not a fan of the dogleg truth be told. Car is looking great, glad it went to a loving owner! Cheers.
Ha! That’s nice of you to post! It now has a GREAT owner!
Glad you did the smart thing by getting rid of it and buying a 911
I was looking forward to this one and it didn’t disappoint. As others have said, repair the current Auto box, enjoy it and its waftyness and keep an eye on the market for a proper manual. Cyrilles face during the first part of the drive was priceless!
Thanks Stuart! ❤️
Automatic or manual, both are great cars for different reasons. I prefer my S4 automatic as my daily driver.
Should let Cyril(?) try the auto and film his reaction 😊
I had a euro spec 5 speed '83 928S and it was glorious !!!
Manual is always the way to go!
Mate, having that Cyrille-guy popping up in his 928s with a manual transmission is the last thing you needed😂 Such a cool and smug guy😂That dog leg gearbox is awesome, takes a bit getting used to, but that is the charm of the car, beats cruising around in a lazy automatic all day long.
I know right! Really nice guy and his car is TOO nice!
@@JAYREAD There was an 85 928 for sale here in Norway for 5000 USD a few weeks ago. Motor and (manual) transmission in good condition, but it needed some work on the exterior. I thought of you, and considered buying it, but now it's gone, sadly... Would have been a lot of hassle arranging it all, but would have made a great video! I'm sure you'll find a donor soon enough!
@nitramh24 Thank you for thinking of me! Yes, I am sure I will…somehow!
I had a 1991 928S4 with a 4 speed automatic, drove it for a few years. But then I happened on to a 1991 928GT with a 5-speed. I owned both for a long while and ultimately sold the S4 and kept the GT 5-speed. In 91 the GT engine had 326HP and the rear-end was a 2.73 ratio. The S4 auto was 316HP with a 2.53 rear-end. There are some big differences in the cams between the S4 vs. GT. The GT is much more aggressive and the engine red line is a bit higher. Those cams with the higher ratio rear-end make a huge difference. I have owned the GT for over 10 years and from time to time think about selling it. Still thinking.
This was enjoyabls to watch.
I love manual transmissions in most cars. I enjoy driving so shifting the gears makes it much more interactive.
Looking good 😘 Jay!
I LOVE my 5-speed 1986.5! I don't think it detracts from the GT aspects of the car at all. Heavy traffic is not fun, of course, but it never is. The engagement (sound, gear selection, speed, etc.) is a wonderful dimension not to be missed!
Great video... I have a 1988 928 S4 5spd that has owned me since 1997, put 120K miles on her.. One of the best driving cars of that era.. I have driven both transmission types and much prefer the manual version. Good luck on your journey :)
‘…that has owned me’ lol! I get that! I’m in the grip! Thanks Nick. Stay tuned!
Good one Jay
The Automatic is pretty slick when in fine form,manufactured by Mercedes
Manual transmission takes a bit of getting used to,and on the early cars,can be notchy
Like most European cars of the era,you have to let the transmission get warm✅
My car is a 5 speed,with a short shifter,and the synchros need replacement
But they are fun in manual form,not as slick as the Corvette
There are kits available to install the 6 speed 6060 transmission,but it’s expensive
Mine will have the LT 6.2 shortly and that will be 500 hp,and the manual gearbox is very strong,but I’m not racing
Reliability is what I’m looking for
Hang on to your Automatic Jay,get a good transmission expert on the job🥳
Yes the 928’s have dropped in value even the GTS,but once you have invested lots of$$ like you have just keep it going
They are true GT Tourers✅
Cheers
Frank
Thanks a lot, Frank! Your adventure sounds AMAZING! I have news on the gearbox front. New video coming soon! Merry Christmas!
That looks like so much fun!
REALLY was! Haha!
I would automaticly go for a manual! The automatic is only appealing if you are day in day out in traffic jams or if the driver has no ability to drive a manual...or both...good luck Jay to find a proper manual😀😀😀😀
Thanks! YIKES!
Own a 83 928 s auto and 1980 928 5 speed
, love them both. I Prefer the lighter pre 85 models.
I think manual will make 928 much more of the raw hard edged FEROCIOUS sports cars of the 70’s 80’s and 90’s .
I have a 928S2 auto and wouldn’t change as originality will be lost plus the S2 had the 4 speed box…the actual road tests of the time show the autos to be hardly any slower and have to be very skilled driver to beat an auto in a manual..may be worthwhile driving a good auto too
I dare say, Jay, you’re almost making me “928 curious” after years of thinking only the 911, Boxster, and Cayman were for me. Almost.
Stop resisting the manual, Jay. Everyone appreciates an underdog story and for some people the automatic makes sense. But this refusal to admit that you are, in fact, a manual guy is becoming downright stubborn. 🤣🤣🤣
Hahaha! Yes, fair enough! You need a 928 though. You know it, I know it. ❤️
Nice video. Hope you get your auto gearbox fixed. I'm Lucky enough to own a couple of these fantastic machines. The first one I bought back in 2005 an S2 auto. 310bhp. You were saying that they are criminally cheap now. I got the S2 for 3750 pounds. Fully working. Then I got an S4 auto. about a year later. The shocking part about the S4 is that IMO it's gearbox is one of the best things about it. It's seems way more responsive than the S2. The S4 was a well looked after German import. My S2 needs a lot of work now.
Thank you! I’m starting to hatch a plan. Lot’s of people have reached out with advice and perspective. I want to try to hang on to my S2 because I think they’re gem in the range. Similar power to the later cars but slightly less weight and the better looks of the pre-S4 era. More coming!
I just bought a 78 manual that needs a ton of work but I'm so glad to have one!
Same! Wonderful cars!
Talk about expense, Jay. Now you've got me hankering after a 928S! UK prices may from £15K - £40K, but beginning to appreciate.
Hahaha! Get in there! You know you want to!
There's opportunities out there, Christopher ... definitely worth a look. I don't have an S, but everything he said about the torque is true.
Plus, a £15k will *not* be a bad look!
I own a 1983 928s with a 5 speed manual . It is a dogleg 1st to 2nd shift . It was very notchy to shift, then I found out on the forums that it had the wrong transmission fluid . Once corrected it shifts much easier. Also I got a stage one supercharger from 928 Motorsport in Wisconsin and it has a lot of torque . Amazing well built car.
Supercharged! Holy cow, I bet that’s good! I’d LOVE to do a video on a supercharged one if you might be up for it one day?
I've heard about those stage 1 kits. Low pressure but a big bump in horsepower. Amazing. Thank you for a great engineering porsche!
The big price jump on the 85 & 86 available cars on the market certainly depict the 50+ HP difference from the pre-85's. Have you ever researched if there's a way to modify an 84 to gain that HP?
Hey Jay! I'm just up the road in New Brunswick, Canada. I have a car you may be interested in, especially given the U.S.-CAD exchange rate. I know you mentioned in the comments that you're looking for something 1985 or later, my 1981 (in overall very good condition and in special-order Chiffon white paint) 5-speed manual is worth considering. Why? Because the early cars were geared to produce insane amounts of fun from zero to about 80 mph. The later cars with larger, much more powerful engines were geared to come alive from 80 mph and above, but who gets to enjoy that? All the fun is down low in the legal limits. That's where a manual 1981, with all of its glorious original charm, absolutely shines and that's why the 1978s to 1982s are showing the fastest growth in value among the 928 lineage. Let me know if you'd like to talk about my car.
Feels like a manual is a must but to swap or to buy one is the question. I don’t envy you in having to make the decision. Something to be said for making the car your own just scary to jump into a transmission swap
Yes! All of the above!
I have a 78 with the Manual transmission and I love it. 👍
Lucky chap!
Suddenly everyone is pleased with the early ones. 240bhp from the 4.5 was definitely not enough.
I have a 91 GT with the manual of course. Love it but also like the S4 with the auto - better cruiser. The GT is the drivers car and it can play around with newer fast cars on country lanes and on the Autobahn it is seriously fast. Normally, shortshift 1 3 5 … Driving 500 kilometre to Berlin requires not more than 10 downshifts from 5th to 4 th 😊
That’s great! ❤️
auto to manual swap is easy. less than a 1 day job with one person. with 2 or more people it's a weekend morning job. I've done it.
I owned a 928S ('86.5) with a manual and factory-optional BBS wheels, and it was a beast... it could hit 110 mph in 3rd gear (and 80 in 2nd!). That said, all of the inputs felt VERY heavy, and the shift was stiffer and longer than the 951. But yes, it can be a fun vehicle if you have space to really run it out. It's just not a car for short sprints... or people not used to the dog-leg gear pattern! Oh, and btw, you NEED to get rid of the rear muffler and let it breathe. It sounds *fantastic when you do!
Exhaust is next on my list actually! Watch this space!
The 928, especially when equipped with airbags, doesn't leave much space for the drivers left knee, because of the reinforcement crossbar under the steering wheel; so it can be quite uncomfortable to activate the clutch.
I have always owned manual 928s (an S4 and three GTSs), but I must say that the auto really makes the car much more enjoyable for every day use.
Good insight there! Thanks for posting!
Superior to the SC in nearly every way. I’m building an ‘84 euro twin distributor 5sp resto mod! Costing me an absolute fortune but it is so unique
They’re addictive, aren’t they?
@@JAYREAD the only hate they receive is from people who haven't driven them. I'm a 928 nut. Have been for almost 20 years now
Manual box with short shifter is better than a broken auto box?!?! Who'd have thunk it? 😂
Not sure if your auto box is the same as my 87 S4's but the gearbox has modes. 2 isn't second gear, but mode 2 - the car sets off in first and holds first until the redline then shifts to second. 3 the car sets off in second and changes to 3rd at the redline but will never shift into 4th. You can obviously switch modes at any time with the shifter.
I have a Cayenne 955 and i whish it had a manual. Go and do a manual swap if you can!
I have 3 928 S4's - 2 manuals, 1 automatic.
I HATE that POS 4-speed automatic! And I have everything adjusted properly.
I wish that someone would install a modern automatic into a 928 - I'm sure it would totally transform the car.
As for the 5-speeds, they are awesome. But I wish they had a 6th gear for highway use. As it is now, I'm turning 3,100 RPM at 80 mph which is too high.
Nice collection! Great post!
I have an 89 Speedster & a 95 GTS 928…get what makes you feel good mate.
Nice advice and err want to do a video? Haha!
...I was waiting for the " Oh shit" moment with going in reverse...
Nearly!
I have no experience with the 4-speed but the 3-speed in my 80 RoW S is almost as nice as a manual when it's properly adjusted and kick-down solenoid working properly. Keep yours automatic and buy another manual if you want that.
Good to hear!
This this this! The 3-speed is better than the 4-speed.
@alexandereagle761 Really? This seems counter-intuitive. What’s your experience?
@@JAYREAD The 3-speed box is the much stronger of the two and experiences virtually no faults. This is confirmed by other owners and mechanics. The 3-speed also has more even gear ratios and an absurdly long 1st gear. Besides an old muscle car, the best way I can describe the behaviour of the gears and the kickdown is like a turbo. This type of dated 3 gear driving experience with a potent 300hp engine is very nice, as the older the car the more interesting to me personally. I would rate the early 5-speed and the 3-speed as the best transmissions in the 928. I haven't driven the later cars, so I can't comment on those. Between the 5-speed and the 3-speed the choice comes down to driving styles, expectations and preferences.
@@chesswizard31 That’s really interesting! Thanks a lot!
I had 2 auto 928S2's and both had issues with the transmission, and no improvement with an oil & filter changes.
Ah! Interesting! They SHOULD be reliable because they are Mercedes units back when M-B was making their best stuff.
There are lots of seals, hoses and o-rings that needs to be replaced on these cars due to most are 30 plus years old. Flush and filter won't fix that.
Biggest difference between manual and auto 928 as an owner of both GT & S4? The auto flatters you and makes you feel like a better driver than you are. The manual…it tells you straight up if you’re crap, then it proceeds to demonstrate how bad you are until you pull your head out of your…remove your ego and get in balance with the car and life, then it lets you kick ass! Nothing beats that moment except for one other physical activity…’nuff said.
Hahahaha! Great post!
Close your eyes and you’ve got Louis Theroux driving a Porsche 👍🏻
You’re not the first person to say that! Haha!
Love mine 😊
Want to sell it? Haha!
Not a chance 😂
@diegohorton869 Noooooooooo! Lol!
@@JAYREAD1985 with a S4 engine and S4 5-speed. I would look for a S4 it’s a better transmission overall.
Manual swap 💯
Hahaha! Noted!
Rebuild the auto, or swap a better one in. Shouldn't be too expensive and will help if you decide to sell to move to a manual. The 928's are rare enough that a manual swap should be considered unless your car was mint in every other way.
Keep watching and you’ll see what I did!❤️
Wow
If your objective is to keep the car on the road and enjoy it, take the least expensive route. Modifying the basics often doesn’t turn out well. If you want the journey than stick with the basic, the trip will be less expensive and less stressful! Define your real objectives and stick to them.
Agreed!
I think converting yours to a manual could be not only expensive, but might devalue it. Have you checked what a gearbox overhaul would cost? I'm wondering if the brake bands on the epicyclics need adjusting.
I think you might be right on the conversion. I didn’t even know transmissions had brake bands but I will find out what is wrong with it. It needs to be fixed!
@@JAYREAD The gears are in constant mesh and the changes are made by applying a braking action. My theory is that when cold the brake bands are contracted and applying unwanted pressure. After 10 mins they will have warmed up, expanded fractionally, and are the operating correctly. It’s just a theory, but worth asking the questions at a specialist shop IMHO.
@@christopherhead4586thanks a lot! I will!
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What about a flush, new filter and new switch pack in your auto first before committing to the big spondoolies?
Yeah I did the flush and filter. What is a new switch pack?
@@JAYREAD the switch pack is the part which controls the gear changes It takes all the input data from speed etc and ensures you’re in the right gear. Try and google switch pack for 928. Not sure if your gearbox is pre electronics.
@Br1anuk thanks! I’ll take a look into that!
It’s late Friday night in the uk. Surely something must control the gear changes based on throttle position, whether the car is going downhill or up or if you are touching the brakes. I’m not an expert but when you see the workings for an auto gearbox there’s lots of very small passageways that control the shifting. These can easily become blocked. Is your oil a very light pink colour?
Just watched a video by a guy called Ken Weismer. Super Cars. He explains how to manually shift the auto box.
A GTS would do it for me...
Me too!
I always wonder why you still have the german "Überführungskennzeichen" under your licence plate. By the way, it's from Braunschweig, the city where I work. Now Cyrille also still has the old licence plate from Ingolstadt. I would be interested to know the reason for this.
It came with the car like that and it shows that it is an S2 which was not available in the US unless imported (306bhp vs 234bhp for US cars). Not to everyone’s taste perhaps but I like it!
👍 I like the Porsche content and the way you present it. I drive a 986 Boxster. Even I like the 928 I'm not planning to switch like you did 😉@@JAYREAD
@Carsten14 thank you! I still like the 986!
Did you change out the transmission fluid?
Yessir!
Why don't you put a 5 speed in your car?? Can't you swap the transmissions??
I explained in the video!
what 2-3 years a go u could by one for like 6000euro now they are up 12000euro to 24000euro even 26000euro and soon realy high ! and im living in sweden
Now that I own one, I like this! Do you think that, just once in my life, I am in the right place at the right time?! No, surely not! Haha!
When new these automatics weren't great and 40 years of age didn't improve them - time to start the search for an S4 GT!
YIKES! Haha!
Get your auto trans sorted first, see how it drives then. If you decide to sell, it's an easy sale with a working autobox. If you decide to convert the car to manual you can sell the autobox and associated parts, you might even get lucky where somebody wants to convert from manual to auto.
Bear in mind buying a manual car will no doubt require work anyway. The Devil you know is better than the one you don't...
BTW, how much would it cost to buy an excellent Euro S2 manual? And don't kid yourself as I'm betting once you go manual you'll miss the auto from time to time.
Euro S2 manuals are not easy to find which is why Cyrille MUST sell me his! Good points here though!
Just buy the manual. Conversion wii5put you do far in the hole you will never see daylight 😢.
The Mercedes auto wasnt sporty. Think 450 SEL
I would not do the manual swap. Buy a car that came with the manual originally, fix and keep the auto.
Convert to Corvette C5 6-speed transmission
Naaaah. Couldn’t do it unless I had to!
Keep and try to adjust your auto and... purchase a manual S2-Euro ! The best 928 (I have a S-1980 manual Euro, a S-1983 auto Euro, a S2-1985 manual Euro, a S4-1991 auto and a GTS-1995 auto Euro... can this be treated, doctor? :) )
Watch my latest video and you’ll see what I did! ❤️
PS… you don’t want this condition to be treated. It’s too much fun!
If you like the manual - just row through the gears - go try a good auto first - I have two manual 911 but I prefer the 928 auto on motorways and in traffic
People tell me (actually people with several 928s) that getting another 928 is the right approach and that I should also keep the 928 that I have got! Haha! This seems like a good idea!
Swap! Swap! Swap! Build another memory with your son…and make the car more “yours”. You could always buy a manual but what kind of story would that be? 😊
Compelling advice, mate! Cheers!
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Ha! That’s thinking out the box! I’m not sure there is enough money in the world to keep one of those going. Haha!
@@JAYREAD ,find a manual car,but swapping trains will be more problems ,will never work properly
Save the manuals.
Yeah!
Yeah you’re going to HAVE to do the manual swap after that.
EEEEEEEEEK! Michael, I’m in trouble! HELP ME!
@@JAYREAD I’m not helping!
@@motorsandmeats88 hahahaha!
Get rid of the slug box & buy a real GT with a manual gearbox!
Do it! Time for a manual swap. Remember it’s only money. 😂
Haha! Cheers mate!
If you decide to get a manual, sell yours. You can probably break even as a you tube follower will know what you did.
Car guys want a manual.
Doctors and lawyers wanted the auto for city traffic
Knew you would flush that turd. Buy another? Don’t you learn from your mistakes?
Bahahaha! Welcome back to the comments, Al!
@@JAYREADWhat is this guy's problem exactly? Aggressive weirdo.
Yes, it's very popular among the TH-cam automobile grifter community to talk up how wonderful these pieces of crap are.
Oooh is someone a bit angry? Lol!
@@JAYREAD Angry? No, just a guy who knows a grift when he sees one. There is nothing special about these cars.
Hey you watched it though so who cares? 🤷🤑💵💸💰
Buy the manual. Then buy another one
Haha!
Why would anyone want a 928 ???
Well you’re full of the joys of spring, aren’t you?! You can’t think of one reason all by yourself?
Try changing your transmission fluid before anything else. There’s a good chance it’s never been done.
Yeah, I tried that. Twice! No dice! I have a plan though! Stay tuned. All will be revealed soon!