first time watching *CRUMB* | movie reaction
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ย. 2024
- this documentary was so good, but it also hurt so bad.
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Crumb's daughter Sophie is also an artist. Some of her work can be found in the movie "Ghost World".
Now this is a film I wasn't expecting anyone to react to but I'm glad you did. There were some great insights in your comments which I hadn't even considered when I watched it years ago.
Given none of us can walk in the shoes of another we tend to generalize when judging others for the flaws they reveal within themselves that many of us internally stifle. When love is lacking within the family unit you will walk out of that relationship rather scarred. Robert Crump let the world see his most intimate scars and we judged him for it,..I wonder how many of us could do the same.
Well said. This reaction was like nails on a chalkboard in its attempts to paint the man as anti female.
Possibly the greatest biographical documentary ever made.
I think you may be right. Definitely of an artist.
It's definitely the most unsugarcoated, earnest, and upfront show of some mental illness. Probably because Crumb and his family didn't even realize how weird they are, Crumb himself especially as he kept laughing at stuff.
For a study in psychology or pathological behavior, or mental illness, or even a general interest in what a democratic society can tolerate, it's incredibly informative.
“I don’t know how to feel about him”🤣🤣🤣 that sums up Crumb for me perfectly
CRUMB is so creepy and fascinating. I don't like these brothers but am empathetic towards their abusive upbringing and their overall existential dilemmas. I think it's a brave and cutting edge documentary, because of how honest and unrelenting it is in taking us there. Hit me like a ton if bricks to find out that Charles committed suicide.
Great reaction.. Recent sad news.. Aline Kominsky-Crumb died in their home in France on November 29, 2022. R.I.P.
Great reaction! Fair and insightful. I love this movie. It's fascinating, but not fun. A look into a damaged family. Despite his personal challenges Crumb did remain happily married until his wife's death and a loving father to his daughter. I believe his son died a some years ago. - Crumb's sketchbooks are really interesting. -
I’ve seen this film a few times over the last many years, and I find it both disturbing and fascinating. I think it’s interesting that one of his girlfriends (can’t recall which just now) speaks with the same peculiar inflection as Robert. I appreciate your mature and thoughtful commentary on this one. Thank you, Laura, for daring to tackle something like this film.
Thanks for this reaction. It's good to see someone reacting to movies outside the mainstream.
I heard that Crumb's reaction to seeing this movie was to throw his hat off a cliff and say, "I don't want to be R. Crumb any more."
Despite all the misogyny and other twisted parts of his character revealed in this documentary, I found myself admiring R. Crumb in a fashion. He's the one person in his family who made a productive life for himself despite the horrible sickness and abuse he endured.
Terry Zwigoff also directed Ghost World (based on the graphic novel of the same name), Bad Santa, and Louie Bluie (a documentary about an itinerant old string band musician that's worth watching for anyone with an interest in vintage music).
Another interesting documentary about an artist is Finding Vivian Maier. It's about a woman who took over 150,000 photographs without showing most of them to anyone. Her work was only discovered after her storage locker went up for auction when she stopped paying the rent near the end of her life. The filmmaker won about half the contents of the locker, but it wasn't until sometime later that he looked at the negatives she had left behind. A lot of the film involves the filmmaker investigating Vivian Maier's background to try to understand who she was.
Finding Vivian Maier is a really amazing story, excellent documentary
That was a very intelligent, insightful reaction/review. I am impressed by your courage and style in tackling this one.
Thank you! It was a lot to watch, but the honesty of the documentary made me feel equally as honest so it went hand in hand, oddly enough
I was about 17, got stoned and tagged along with an older friend to a small theatre to watch it when it came out. No idea who Crumb was but ive been fascinated with his art ever since.
Crumb actually illustrated a bunch of Bukowski stories funny that you made that connection
Of course people consider his art unhealthy. But look at his brothers. I believe Crumb had some semblance of a happy life BECAUSE he poured his darkness onto paper. Had he not he would have been doomed to express them in his real life like them.
GOOSEBUMPS AND TEARS from this reaction video. The very last sentence you say pretty much sums it up. There was not a single thing you said that wasn't as interesting, valid and as multi-dimensional as the movie itself. The thing that blows me away: I didn't realize that this is a Patreon request (thank you, Patron!), and you're going into this totally blind. I just figured you must have come across Crumb's work somewhere and wanted to check it out. Not just any reactor could go in blind to this film and bring out what you just did. I actually went into it blind also, my brother and I went to this together when it came out and I was blown away, thoroughly disturbed and haunted by it for at least a week.....actually it's been almost 30 years and I'm still haunted by it! The fact that all three channeled this stuff into very different, yet similar, distinctive, one-of-a-kind artwork blows my mind. Also: the best of Crumb's work, like the one where it shows the same plot of land over the course of a century.....that's where we take in the good with the bad, holy smokes, is that not one of the greatest things you ever saw? He also did an AMAZING comic a few years ago: The Book of Genesis! He did all of Genesis in comic form, and it's unbelievable. Check that one out if you can! Wild! Anyways, thanks to your Patron, and THANK YOU.....I cannot believe I just watched a reaction video for "Crumb".
PS: Your reaction to the female cartoonists and their perspectives, I was so happy! I was starting to worry that you thought the movie wasn't going to address the elephant in the room! 🤣 Such a wild cocktail of fascination, disgust, sympathy, empathy, humor and breath-taking art and expression. And the mind being stimulated, forcing the viewer to ask questions and make judgments and process all this stuff. Did you distill all that in this reaction video? Yes you did.
Thank you!! 💖 and yes - this patron has been responsible for a lot of great flicks I’ve watched so while I was skeptical/doubtful/uncertain how it would play out….he luckily knew me well enough that I would have a lot of thoughts on this one. It also genuinely has been stuck in my brain since watching. Like what a fantastical portrayal of someone…capturing beyond what anyone could ever hope to in a documentary like this. Amazing, honestly.
How awesome to see a reaction to this! I enjoyed hearing your thoughts. This is my all-time favorite movie, the documentary that raised my bar for every one I’ve watched since. It’s so personal and lived-in, and does such a great job giving Crumb his due as an artist while also not letting his misogyny off the hook. That next-to-last title card about Charles at the end guts me every time. Again, I appreciate the video.
Fantastic analysis. Very entertaining reaction. The director, Terry Zwigoff, also made Ghost World which is really worth a look. It's a fictional narrative --not a documentary. It's based on the comics of the equally out-there artist, Daniel Clowes. Check out a trailer of it or something.
Lee should watch the Criterion Crumb edition and hear the two commentary tracks. It will fill in and explain events, Crumb's place and Artistic contributions to American Pop culture, family history, mental illness and concepts that will be missed without commentary explanation. Crumb is alive and well and has given many interviews from France. Crumb is also a musician too and performs concerts with a band. No matter how Weird and Ugly the Art looks, or Twisted the story telling gets. Crumb always tell us the Truth about the Human Condition. Rene Magritte once wrote, " Just because the Sun sometimes illuminates an Ugly World, does not mean you should shun the Sun at all times."
I am surprised nobody mentioned this, but you should watch the docudrama American Splendor, about Harvey Pekar. Crumb is one of the characters, the actor playing him does an excellent job protraying him.
Crumb is a comic / art legend.
I could have gone my whole life thinking that Fritz the Cat was created by some Al Bundy like jackass who can draw well rather than some deep, complex, tortured, and obviously flawed human being like Robert Crumb. This was a fascinating reaction video, and I'm DEFINITELY watching the documentary this weekend. Thanks for the video!
Good video, but It wasn’t his dad that made him draw, it was Charles. He’s drawn several comics about it. And Aline was a respected cartoonist herself, who passed recently, sadly. But her comics would answer any questions you have about her and Robert’s relationship. And his daughter Sophie is a very respected and successful cartoonist these days. My impression after I first saw this movie, was yeah, Crumb is pretty messed up, but compared to the rest of his family, he’s almost normal! He at least survives on his own in society. I have to wonder how he’s doing since Aline passed, though.
I've been watching movie reactors for a few years and you are the first one to watch Crumb. Thank you.
Laura I think you hit the nail on the head in all your analysis. I also think when people ask him to draw album covers or father wants him to draw, or other things that he resents them for wanting to use him when he knows they would never talk to him otherwise. So he uses that as leverage imho. It's interesting psychology of a person documentary, it's very sad about his brother too.
So sad!! Honestly, so sad about the whole family. It was heart-wrenching to see such an honest take from all involved. And while I am in part happy that Crumb became something out of his tragedies it is so sad that the rest of his family did not.
Crumb was objectified by society, so he objectified society right back.
I always feel bad for people that don't know about Crumb. He led the shift in quality and content in comics and graphic novels for the subsequent 50 years. Without him and his crew, we wouldn't have thousands of amazing comics, shows, films, etc. He was a revolutionary figure in low brow art. You need to watch Mr. Bitchin, which is a doc about the incredible Robert Williams. Another enormous force in underground art and low brow culture.
Head shop underground comix would've happened without Crumb, he wasn't even the first. Joel Beck, Frank Stack, Jackson, Gilbert Shelton all had books out before Zap. But Crumb definitely WAS the icing on the cake.
@@EugeneLorey Difference is that Crumb was leagues more fun and engaging than his contemporaries. The others didn't have the relatability or enjoyability, at all. Not even close.
@@joshuaclark1930 Joshua, even among his contemporaries, let alone today's uber "woke" generation found some parts of Crumb's work horrifying and disturbing and Crumb himself would be the first to admit this. Trina Robbins was especially vocal in her criticism. The comic with the decapitated nun comes to mind.
@@EugeneLorey critics are often failed artists
@@joshuaclark1930 Well, agree or disagree with her about Crumb's content I certainly (and no one else would either) call Trina a "failed artist". BTW Joshua, how many old underground comix have you actually read besides Crumb? I could name several AT LEAST who are as "fun and engaging" as Crumb.
His work is an expose not a confession.
It least Crumb was honest about himself 🤷🏻
Remarkably, Robert and Maxon are both still alive and Aline passed less than a year ago.
Oh no! RIP Aline.
She definitely should've read a few Crumb omnibuses before watching the movie.
Great review! I loved your nuanced, emphatic, and critical review of a person who has created ripples across generations of artists. Crumb to me is a doubled edged sword. There are admirable aspects to his worldview, but there is so much horribleness to it too; often times too much horribleness. How long can we forgive him of his impact because of his traumas? Time will tell.
Very good review. I really enjoyed your thoughts and reactions to this one. Crumb is a fascinating and very complex person and I'm glad to see you didn't just roast him like a lot of people would.
i love the fact that she mentions Charles Bukowski. Buke is a kindred spirit with Robert Crumb whether he would admit it or not. :)
This is one of the best documentaries ever....
Great reaction - it's remarkable that you'd select such a film to begin with, as is the intricacy of your response - see American Splendor as a companion piece to this, a meta-biopic about Crumb's friend and fellow Underground artist Harvey Pekar - and also Bakshi's Fritz the Cat, which Crumb disowns here - your exploratory thoughts make me wonder if you know Kier-la Janisse's work - see Woodlands Dark and House of Psychotic Women - re experimental docs, try Sans Soleil, by Chris Marker - you might also be curious to see The Corporation - a filmic equivalent to Crumb's Underground style might be Reflections of Evil -
This is a great reaction video to a favorite film of mine. Sorry I am just now finding this. There’s more information that has come out about Charles in the years since this documentary premiered. Although his work gained recognition because of the film, sadly, his mother destroyed all of his artwork, writing, journals, and comics after he died.
Crumb has illustrated some of Bukowski’s books.
“No tree, it is said, can grow to heaven unless its roots reach down to hell.”
One of my favorite documentaries of all time
a little late here but this was just a wonderful reaction. crumb is a fascinating figure because his comics really did break all the taboos and influence generations of independent cartoonists around the world. but as you point out, there's a real proto-incel energy and real misogyny/racism to his whole persona that's extremely off-putting at times. (at the same time he married one of the first major feminist confessional cartoonists, so it's obviously complicated.) i think he was much more revered from the 70s through the 90s when the cliche of the american indie cartoonist (an introverted nebbishy white dude who was miserable in high school) was closer to him. comics have grown a lot more diverse over the past few decades and it will be interesting to see what the reaction is like when he passes.
i know these type of reactions don't pull the same numbers as reacting to star wars or indiana jones or whatever, but just know there are definitely some of us out there who'd much rather watch someone intelligently discussing movies like crumb, enter the void, etc.
I think 'he was miserable in high school' is too dismissive. His father was domineering, his mother was erratic, he grew up in the repressive 1950s-- I consider him as both the painter and portrait of the worse parts of late 20th Century America. Like you said, things have changed, so we don't exactly 'need' his kind of energy (though I think every era needs a provocateur), but you shouldn't lump him in like that.
Actually, I think the quintessential ' introverted nebbishy white dude who was miserable in high school' comic artist was Adrian Tomine, in his early days, doing 'Optic Nerve'. Which is kind of funny, since Tomine is Asian.
Knowing after the film that his brother killed himsrlf makes sense. Its tough when you have manic depression. I do mirtazapine and it just keeps me going. I have lots of money and i travel full time but ......some things money and travel dont buy
A lipstick bottle blonde reviewing Crumb. Wow- you can’t make this stuff up. 😵💫😵💫😵💫
Great choice and loved your reaction. As usual, very insightful. You did this great film justice.
I haven't even thought of this movie in a quarter century.
Great reaction, very perceptive about the superiority complex, the resentment towards the "Let it to Beaver," portrayal of American life, it would be worth it to try and get the Criterion Collection edition and see the deleted scenes, they further show his attitudes, especially towards women. For a similar film, watch "Burroughs: The Movie," from 1983.
First time viewer here; a bold choice and great insights into this challenging film.
Thanks for posting this- I was debating whether or not to watch the documentary 👍 definitely
I am completely broke right this second, but as soon as I can, I'm joining your Patreon to see the full length, vote in the polls and contribute to the channel! Won't be tomorrow, but asap! Ok, that absolutely is the last from me. One more time with feeling: THANK YOU! :D
I don’t want you to ever feel pressured for that! Honestly your consistent comments are enough to make me smile! So honestly, thank you!
@@laurashawnlee I don't feel pressured! I'm subscribed to a million reaction channels that I'm not a Patreon for, but I'll definitely join THIS channel when I can! In the meantime.....I'm a more than satisfied TH-cam subscriber! See you soon, for sure! :)
theres nothing rare or interesting about him, but the style of his drawing and pornic.. thats beatnik hippie porn comics, are fun to look at
Super late! Yes, Crumb did illustrate some Bukowski stories!
Best review I have heard. Thanks! 😁🙏
Fuck what other people think! my lady just had a tumor removed from her right trycept, and she likes you.I showed her this 80's summer fun movie and she can't get enough. If you could do a live reaction on the 28th???? 10 pm est, the whole movie is on youtube so everyone can watch along. they don't need a copy. it's called "breaking all the rules' from 1985. I wish you would it would be a great present for her during her recovery. P.S. Glad you are back with us, you were missed!
I will gladly see what I can do!
You have such a GREAT voice 😊
My lono awaited request coming soon ? Lol
Laura these are comic books jesus dont be so analytically serious.
Very thoughtful reaction. I saw this when it was released in theaters. Quite an odd, sad, pathetic portrait.
Great reaction. Crumb is such a great but fucked up artist.
The giggling.....
You seem like a nice person, do you know you laugh after every single thing you say. You say good smart things, no need to be so insecure
You should react to "Good Will Hunting."
Hello
Watch the movie 3 idiots
Not really a whole giggle fest, is it?
now that u watched crumb.. u can watch teh "real" movie " Who is Harry Crumb " .. ull be on on the floor laughing hard. i mean its John Candy playing it so..
This documentary made me feel unsafe. Like I’m in a room full of rapists.