As someone who's hung around conservative circles, the fact that those newspapers didn't deadname Page doesn't really surprise me. A lot of right wing people (especially the young ones, like journalists) don't give a fuck about LGBT people. And I mean literally. They're like "you can exist but we're not fighting for your rights". Comparing that to Arielle, it just shows how low she goes.
I've seen so many news outlets doing really well but somehow the largest news outlet of the Netherlands deadnamed him and tried to justify it by saying that people wouldn't know who they meant -.-
i don't understand why she is SO OBSESSED WITH LESBIANS. in 2015 before i was even out as trans, i was at an event and she made a comment about how "lesbian" i looked. i calmly said that the term "lesbian" made me feel uncomfortable and i just identified as "gay"(since she said it in front of a lot of people). She literally laughed in my face and said "no you are a lesbian" then followed me around for the rest of the night, making more and more comments about how something i was either doing or saying was "very lesbian". And just wouldn't let it go?? Everyone I opened up to about it at the event told me how she's transphobic so that probably had something to do with it. 5 years later and literally nothing 👏has👏changed👏
Jesus. The lesbians have disowned her now. If she says she is apart of the lesbians community she is not. She is apart of the TERF community and can shove her terrible opinions up her ass.
Hey Noah. I’m a 64 year old guy, and I simply love the way you express your views so logically and well. Listening to you (and Corry) has been a huge eye opener and I’m totally supportive of your journey and also seeing how unpleasant most of your critics are. They are unable to be logical. Thank you for your ability to help.
This girl saying "we're losing all the lesbians" after Elliot coming out as trans has the same vibe as middle aged women saying "oh, what a waste" when a male celebrity comes out as gay, smh 🙄
@@ehsh3072 Well a number of sports personalities came out as gay after a few years into their careers. The phrase "what a waste" is quite prevalent and it's something I've heard a lot from women who find gay celebrities attractive and believe that because they're gay that somehow women are missing out, which is ridiculous. But, I don't really understand what you mean by all actors being gay once they've entered Hollywood, what does that mean?
Umm no, with that comparison you're equating a privileged overrepresented group - straight male celebrities - with lesbians, a discriminated minority with only a small representation. And TERFs like Arielle are waiting for that to use it as an ammunition in their propaganda. Because they're exploiting fears coming from actual issues - like misogyny from men and lesbophobia - but twist it to make it look like in the end it's trans people to blame for everything. There's very few out non-retired lesbian actresses in Hollywood, MUCH less than gay men or bisexual women, which makes them very precious role models for the community. And let's be honest, it's certain that many lesbians did feel disappointed for that reason with Page's coming out, since they lost a considerable part of their representation in Hollywood. But the reason of that disappointment is lesbophobia of the studios that prevents actresses from coming out, while people like Arielle try to turn that negative feeling against trans people, another discriminated minority with little representation.
I swear, as a lesbian myself, that she is personally bringing our average intelligence down by at least 30%. I cannot describe how infuriating it is to just have to sit and watch her bring down the mental health and happiness in our friendly community, by displaying all kinds of phobia and obsession, and then still expect to be welcomed in by the rest of the LGBTQIA+. Anybody reading this, please have a good day and don’t let her stupidity change your opinion of anybody else.
Also quite a bit of (social) detransitioners who DO talk about detransitioning long term... they typically end up identifying as nonbinary or other genderqueer identities, rather than JUST binary trans people. :/
I feel so bad for elliot cuz he's struggling enough already like being trans is clearly hard enough without having people getting annoyed at you cuz they've ''lost another lesbian icon'' like leave him ALONE
I wish people would just mind their own business. I am very glad that Elliot is now living his truth. I just wish people would literally stop saying "Oh, we lost another lesbian." Smh. It's so disrespectful.
Exactly it’s fucking ridiculous. As Noah said they didn’t fucking own him. He wasn’t a possession, he was a person. He is a person. It’s his right to be able to come out, to be able to have the world except him not have fucking idiots on the Internet bitch about how they’re losing an icon. I mean you don’t see us pansexuals whining about how if somebody comes out as pan to begin with and then they realize that they are actually lesbian or something else like that. It’s just stupid. It doesn’t affect her or anybody else in the lesbian community so it’s pathetic that she’s acting as if it does.
i can understand being upset at losing seeing yourself in a public person. that’s why elliot coming out inspired other trans folks to come out, because they could see themselves. what i don’t understand is making it publically known. that you’re grieving someone else’s coming out is your own issue and you need to process that on your own. also that they don’t realize how fucking weird it is to spend more than five minutes processing something that has literally nothing to do with you.
My mom said I was just a confused tomboy and I was like "If you'd call me Tom, I'd take any name at this point" she did not laugh 😅 But, there's a difference in wanting a willy and wanting to dress boyish. I used to wear a ton of bras and a shirt under my shirts to act as a diy binder, couldn't breathe at all and it was hard to take them all off, If I could get an actual binder and used it responsibly (taking breaks, coughing, etc.) It would be better on me, it still hurts to breathe heavily. God I regret that 🏳️⚧️❤
some transmen dont even want willys because body parts arent gendered. I know transmen that kept their breasts and happily show them with bras and what nott cuz breasts arent a woman thing
people like Arielle are the minstrel voices that make the majority feel like it's ok to continue to deny people simple things like proper binding, built by trans people for trans people.
@@khicks4422 It's such a dumb "statement" with that video I thought "am I not a lesbian because I don't live in the USA ( I live in Colombia)? her logic is just unbelievable
I was told by a teacher "you shouldn't care about these kinds of issues cause you're not gay nor trans. And if you are, the door is right there" Please keep in mind that this teacher knew my pronouns (they/them) and the fact he said that to ME... (I actually did walk out of the room)
@@alex-qd6of of course, thats not the point, its just that she is feeding into the idea that a lot of lesbians are transphobic especially since she is seen as a "lesbian icon" by some. which of course anyone in their right mind knows lesbians arent like that and she is part of a (very) loud minority of lesbians, but you have to think about the general population.
Hi Noah! Just wanna say I am 100% supportive of trans people and I absolutely love your content. I am a detransitioner, ftmtf, that transitioned partially due to internalized misogyny. It was also due to an abusive childhood/mental illness that lead me to struggle with dysphoria which I have overcome since escaping my home life. If you have any questions about the internalized misogyny side of my previous transition please feel free to ask! :)
I am a trans gay man. I used to think I was a lesbian, then I thought I was non-binary, then I thought I was pansexual, then I thought I was a straight guy, now I am proud to say that I am a trans gay man. 🎉
I've known people who are transphobic but not homophobic; but I've never known a homophobe that's not a transphobe. Edit: I'm not saying homophobes don't exist, I'm saying that usually people who are homophobic tend to also be transphobic at the same time, it's very rare for a homophobe not to be transphobic at the same time.
It's a bit rarer, but I have seen homophobic trans men before. It's could be an expression of internalised transphobia as well though, their idea that being a man who's into men is feminine and therefore you can't possibly be "a real man" and a tray.
Weirdly enough my dad is extremely supportive towards trans people (though he believes there are only two genders) but is extraordinary homophobic (but thankfully he believes that disrespecting and/or hating on people is a sin therefore he respects lgbtq members but doesn't approve it and strongly believes it to be wrong). But if i ever come out he will literally kill me. lol.
I have a friend whose mom still doesn't call him by his name or talks to him in any friendly manner. It's been like 8 years or more since he started transitioning, I honestly can't even remember anymore because it's been so long yet his mom still acts like he somehow killed her daughter. Fuck parents like that and I told her as much to her fucking face, you all deserve better than this.
I've only met ONE de-transitioner and that person was forced into taking hrt against their will by a chaser partner. They put up with it for about a year then escaped. Her story was heartbreaking. Me, on the other hand, I'm happy to see my changes on hrt and constantly play with my beard. 1 year in 31 days!
One thing doesn't exclude the other. Btw this video is full of illogical things, like talking about consent given by kids?? This guy literally doesn't know that kids' consent doesn't matter. By his logic, a 60 years old man could get physical with a 6 years old kid, if she gave consent. So out of touch with reality
I’m a trans woman who came out as a lesbian - we’re literally right here and there’s loads of us. I would wager that for every queer woman coming out as a man, there’s a queer man coming out as a woman and a lesbian. You’re not losing any lesbians, you’re at a net parity of lesbians. The only problem is that these are people who don’t accept trans women as BEING truly “lesbian”, because she’s a terf. The only way in which you’re “losing lesbians” is the way in which you ostracise and kick lesbians out of the community by being a terf.
oh my gosh, I am going to use "net parity of lesbians" to piss off TERFs from now on. most of them are Marxists (Bakunin or bust please) and replace class with binary gender, talking to them in materialistic terms is all they understand.
Do you know that feeling when you're sitting in a math class and you are trying really hard to decipher what the teacher is saying but your brain is just not capable of processing the information? That is Arielle. Arielle is math.
Preach! They aren't becoming anything, because that's what they always were. They just discovered who they are. Hugs (edit: or just positive vibes to those who are touch repulsive!) to all my enby pals out there :)
The thing is that Elliot Page is 33, has a very stable acting career, and has been out as a lesbian with an overwhelming amount of support for like 6 years. What would his motivation be to "decide" to come out as trans other than actually being trans? In my opinion there was a lot of risk in coming out as trans. I just don't get why he would do it if he didn't have to for his own mental well-being.
@@Envision_ Because the patriarchy is so much better for a trans guy... Well better than it is for trans women, but still bad I don't think Elliot will have it easier as the man he is than as the lesbian he thought he was. But I am happy he is finally able to be himself.
As a lesbian, we DO NOT CLAIM HER (I assume she’s a lesbian based on the way she talks about “losing lesbian” if she’s not please lemme know). And most Lesbians do not think this way, and we love all of our fellow trans lesbian, and all trans people! So happy for all of you who have been able to come out and transition!! Anyway, the whole point of this comment was to let all Of the lovely transgender people that you are loved and people like this are not worth your time ❤️❤️
I can tell you why I didn't realize/come out, even though the clues have been there. As a woman, you can wear mens clothing with few repercussions. I've been around since the 70's, where pant suits were the thing, and jeans. I got lucky. Men had some pretty good clothing, but they couldn't wear a dress. I don't think they would be accepted. But I have never worn dresses and always been accepted. Had short hair, been accepted. I'm 100% sure, if I was a teen, I would have tried to get puberty blockers. I'm used to navigating the world as I am now, a fairly non binary person with generous attributes that I freaking hate. My kids accept me, that's all that really matters.
I too and older and non-binary trans. I think part of the reason people think we don’t exist is because generally speaking kids on tik tok seem to be the loudest most colorful representations of NB people. Nothing wrong with that but it’s just so disheartening to hear that non binary people are only teenage “girl” cashing in on a trend
OMG, she triggered me sooooo bad! I was in year 10 when the AIDS Epidemic was going on in the late 1980s, and as gay men were dropping dead from AIDS...lesbians, bisexuals, and trans people stepped up and had our backs. So I’ve always felt very strongly that we’re ALL one community. So when I heard that she claimed Elliot was a loss to the lesbian community, it pissed me off ‘cause Elliot is still in OUR community!!! Sorry, I’m a cis-gay man and I hate when people try and divide OUR community ‘cause of all the people in the world, we’re supposed to have empathy for each other. Anyway, Noah, love your videos and you continue to show me what a good man you are at your core. Lotsa love and aloha from Honolulu! 😁❤️🤙🏽🌈☀️ (just symbols of Hawai’i)
@@oliviagrace3530 I'm gonna be honest, that didnt make much sense, but if you're saying I didnt come out as trans to be accepted than youd be right, I came out because I wanted to finally live as myself and be happy, coming out isnt about what other people think, it's about wanting to be able to live as yourself openly.
@@oliviagrace3530 Again, you make no sense in what you are saying, I came out as trans to live as myself, not because of some internal misogyny or repressed sexuality, I am a boy, i always have been, I like boys as well, that's all I said. I dont get what you mean by anything?
I honestly love all of your trans videos, I came out to my parents about 3 months ago as transmasc and they act like nothing happened. Im very sad cuz my mom thinks I’m confused and that I’ll Detransition she said other transphobic things to me and now she won’t even let me have a therapist, she ignores me whenever I asked her about it and the only thing she says is to believe in god, not to worry about those unnecessary things and just let jesus in our heart- I’m so tired and listening to you talk about trans issues and other things just makes me feel a lot more happier:D thank you so much
Imagine me saying “we’re losing all the bisexuals” and making a video freaking out on all the lesbians who’ve used the label as a stepping stone to discovering themselves or coming out. :/// let people be, damn
As a bisexual I feel this is a superb comparison. All of my friends who identify as only being attracted to women have identified as bisexual once, and most of my friends who currently identify as bisexual are constantly questioning if they are really just lesbian 💀 you don’t hear me giving a heck
@Savannah Wells a lesbian? Is that autocorrect because I'm confused on what you are asking. In any case I hope it goes well and if they don't support you they don't deserve you.
Random story, my friend used to identify as lesbian but now she's bisexual. I could make a video crying abt the loss of a dear lesbian friend, or I could suck it up and support her lol
Hate to break it to you but the amount of bi ppl who get mad at others for using the label as a stepping stone is ridiculous it’s kinda become “a thing” now sadly but I agree with you
Dude I know that actor from umbrella academy and was shocked that he uses he/they pronouns but it makes me extra happy because I only knew like one other nonbinary actor
I accidentally deadnamed a trans person once.. and before you come for me like “youre transphobic!!”, I’m trans- So basically, I didn’t know he was trans, so I called him by what everyone’s been calling him for the past eleven years, and he threatened to kill me. 😃👍
I used to think I was bi, then a lesbian, then a nonbinary lesbian, then nonbinary and pansexual, then nonbinary and aroace, and now I'm ftm asexual and aro-spec. We can try out labels until we find the right one. For some people, there is no right one! Not everybody gets it first try.
i’ve been listening to so many of this guys songs for so long and also watching his videos from time to time but i have no idea it was the same person. anyways i love LIFES A BIT so fucking much it’s such a vibe goodbye
THOUGHTS?! ALSO LMAO I REALISED IN THE BATH THAT WHEN ARIELLE SAID THAT 90% OF TRANS PPL ARE AFABS THAT I THEN SAID “DOES SHE REALLY THINK 30% ARE BORN MALE?” WHICH ADDS UP TO 120% I’M SORRY I FILMED THE VIDEO AT LIKE 2AM
As a trans man myself, I can't tell you how many times I have been told that I'm a misguided/lost lesbian. but ma'am....I'm engaged to a man...trans people can be gay
Yes, a friend of ours realized he was a man, but to him his gay identity is more important than the gender of his interest, so now he's a gay man, while he used to live as a lesbian. I'd say he is bisexual. But - who cares about labels?
Straight* You’re a heterosexual female. You’re not gay. You’ve possibly fetishized homosexuality, but that still isn’t gay. Ultimately, you will never be a homosexual and intrinsically you will always be different from a gay man.
i was extremely confused as to why noah referred to that one website at about 11:30 in the video as transphobic when it says that they dont support harmful treatment for gender nonconforming people. the confusion came from my assumption that the site was talking about conversion therapy, but it was talking about hormones and other sources of physical modifications (used specifically by people on the trans spectrum) for peoples own comfortability and furthermore euphoria. HOW IS CONVERSION THERAPY BETTER THAN GRNDER EUPHORIA
The whole thing of " "gay" people transition to escape homophobia" (I haven't actually watched the video yet so I don't know if she says that)ummmm, even as a cis bi person I acknowledge that transphobia is a LOT worse than homophobia 🙄
Arielle doesn't like us trans lesbians... like at all. - unless MAYBE when we have bottom surgery - and I'm sure she wouldn't like as much more even then
To all the trans lesbians here I just want to let you know as a fellow lesbian that I think you're beautiful and valid and I love each and every one of you so much! Just thought some of you could need some positivity after all of this Arielle crap. Screw her.
Thank u for making this I honestly lost so much faith at first cause she was my first lesbian “teacher” when I was young& seeing her switch was heartbreaking.
That is a fair point, because did Elliot ever actually say he was a trans man or non binary in his post? He could be non binary leaning masc for all we know.
@@Thekingofneedles I think Elliot didn't write "man" or "nonbinary" on purpose, because who was stopping them? It's a coming out post! Maybe nor "man" or "nonbinary" are fitting. He wrote "trans" and "queer", so maybe it's just it, the whole identity.
@@Thekingofneedles I believe he just said he was coming out as trans and identifies with he/they pronouns. So I think masc-nb is probably a close descriptor, but obviously nobody can really know his identity but him. (I used "him" etc a bunch so it didn't seem like i was generalizing and saying "noone can know their identity")
@@enzi87 They were essentially saying that being a trans guy automatically makes me misogynistic. They were insinuating that being misogynistic was an inherent trait of all trans guys because we think were better than women.
Arielle saying that "oh kids are just being trans to be like everyone else" But Elliott is in his 30s... Like I'm sure he knows himself better than some terf on the internet Edit: "kids grow out of disphoria at 25" Again Elliott is in his 30'S WHY DRAG HIM INTO THIS
I love how her point was that school teachers will treat you better if you come out as trans - yes, I'm sure 33-year-old Elliott based his decision to come out on this. As we all know, the average 33-year-old is in school in Arielle's world.
I'm 34 and slowly coming out as nonbinary (although I've known for a long time). I was told by some internet stranger that I'm just a normal girl trying to be edgy. Oh please 😅 by this age I couldn't care less about being seen as cool or edgy or special.
Yeah I’m so happy!! Not about Arielle obviously but I checked and Google changed his name and pronouns and so have a lot of other sites :’) when you google a show or series he appeared in and click on his name it googles the deadname though :((
I saw one of those clickbaity articles from last year that was edited to include Elliot rather than his dead name, and he was only a small part of the article. If they can do it, anyone can refer to him by his name!
Saying we lost another lesbian when someone comes out as trans would be the equivalent of straight people saying we lost another straight when someone comes out as lgbt
@@joannas8359 at least it backs up our arguments even more😂 I love arguing with people who have opposing views to me because they just make it so easy to poke holes in their arguments.
As a cis lesbian, no, no we aren’t running out dw 😭😭😭 it’s not a competition and it should NEVER be a competition, people are what they are and nobody should change that. It breaks my heart to see like gay hate towards trans people like cmon :( we as skittles should all be on the same side
Same😭😭 I'm tired of seeing lgbtq+ people fighting against each other when we should be supporting each other since we're literally in the same community???
"we did it we lost another lesbian guys" 💀💀💀as a fellow gay i can say that we're doing pretty ok lmfao in fact we could stand to loose a few terfs💀💀but then again maybe im just a sexist lesbian somehow ajfdkjsf
The most interesting part is Elliot has now, at some point in his life, added representation for a lot of people, especially people trying to figure out identity.
As a representative of the lesbians, i am not sorry to say that we will not be accepting your allegiance to our group, and on behalfnof the trans folks out there, i sincerely apologize for our former ally, we will not be allowing her into our ranks anymore. We will be removing Miss Arielle from our ranks due to her severe transphobia and genderphobia. She will not be using her former allegiance with the lesbian community to defend or justify her actions anymore. Again, i sincerely apologize for this awful person. Good day ❤
First: WTF that person have with trans ppl and their lives? The guy comes out as trans, cool! Contrats young man! Second: is the person ( I think it's a she cuz said it's a lesbian so sorry if I use the wrong pronoun with the brunette) so... Is she obsessed with lesbians? Lilith help me 🙏 Third: Dude I live your videos, I learn each day something new! Keep up the good work 💕 Edit: Also I love to know more and more about our Community!! Honestly I wasn't aware of detransition but it's always amazing to know more
Also: How is less than 0.09% genderdysphoria after transitioning a huge problem but more than 99.91% genderdysphoria before transitioning no problem at all?
You know if you wanna phrase a trans man who's attracted to women as "Another lesbian lost" then you also have to apply the logic and realize that a trans woman interested in women is a lesbian gained so it should pretty much average out anyways.
I believe it comes from compulsory cisgendered normativity. Transphobic cis people want trans people to just stay in the boxes of their respective birth-assigned genders usually because it brings them the comfort of the illusion of a world that makes more personal sense to them.
"Someone somewhere is eating something I won't eat... I don't know who, I don't know where, but I know they're doing it to annoy me..." that's how stupid they sound!
@@johnwalker1058 i remember trying to explain gender identity and shit in the comments of some youtube video to a bunch of probably middle aged transphobic women and they took so much offense to my use of the harmless term 'cis' instead of processing my explanation that i just gave up. it's so bewildering.
Actually it seems to be trans women thinking lesbians owe them something, or have you not heard of the cotton ceiling, or seen the vile threats lesbians receive for not liking the opposite sex 🤷♀️ so I’d say we want our sexuality to be respected like trans people want their gender identity to be respected. Not such a hard thing to understand really.
Another point is that she automatically assumes that every trans man was first identifying as a lesbian?? Like you said, bi, pan, ace, and straight people still exist and transition 😑 she really does make literally everything about her, and she's not even a little bit right while doing so
Same energy as the people who hear you're trans and go "wait, are you sure you're not just gay?" Like bro They are separate things They are not always related smh
Yes! Overwhelmingly yes. I’m a current closeted trans female and have only told 2 people I know in real life. I’m scared to come out because I am afraid that I could be a victim of one of these hate crimes. Thankfully I have been doing martial arts for 7 years so I won’t be seriously hurt in many outcomes but I am more afraid of being a social outcast.
she acts like people have enough money laying around to go get surgery to transition. if somebody isnt trans they are not going to transition. its like trying to convince old people that liking someone isnt a choice and that thats not how attraction works. i wish that people like her and the hets could just go to another planet or something
saying you lost a lesbian when elliot page came out as trans is like saying the hets lose a straight person every time someone comes out as being something other than straight.
That's a false comparison given there are hundreds, thousands of celebrities that are straight. The ones that are lesbian? You can count them on one hand. You notice when one goes missing.
@TheIndelibleCaptain No, it's really not. It's fair to feel some kind of sadness if a person that represented you is lost. You can't have it both ways and say they're a new person now but that the old one isn't gone.
@@mechantechatonne Yeah, it really blows my mind how these supposedely progressive people don't see it. One one hand they're gonna be talking about representation in the media, and on the other hand you'll have Noah be like WELL EVEN IF YOU THINK YOU'VE LOST A LESBIAN SO WHAT????
@TheIndelibleCaptain No, you couldn't because 70% of people are straight, at least, so you are unlikely to find yourself at a loss of straight media representation or at a loss of a straight role model. You're making a false equivalency and pretending to not understand an obvious thing. He isn't under the obligation to do anything because people look up to him or find him relatable, just like people are not under any obligation to pretend they didn't notice losing one of the only out lesbians in Hollywood.
I'm 47 and have never "grown out" of my gender dysphoria, and I wish someone had helped me identify it much earlier. The phrase "biological women" really bothers me. I have recently identified that I am a trans woman, and I am as much of a carbon-based lifeform as any other woman. She uses the phrase "LGBT" a lot, but seems to forget that it has a "T" in it. She also ignores that the lesbians that are being "depleted" by trans men are being "replenished" by trans women. I think she's just terrified that the next woman she picks up in a bar is going to be an AMAB.
When my mom found out elliott page was trans she went crazy. She started to question if she should allow me to watch the next season of umbrella academy thankfully my sister talk her into allowing me to watch it(btw I'm a tran boy who is twelve and my mom is a big transphobe so that one hurt) And I'm happy that Elliott page was comfortable with coming out
The fact that conservative newspapers didn't use Elliots deadname and this "activist" youtuber did. Embarrasing.
thought she distanced herself from "activism" ?
Seriously. When my cousin sent me the first article I saw about it, I was like "oh my god, they didn't dead name him. Journalists are learning!"
same i was so happy !!!
As someone who's hung around conservative circles, the fact that those newspapers didn't deadname Page doesn't really surprise me. A lot of right wing people (especially the young ones, like journalists) don't give a fuck about LGBT people. And I mean literally. They're like "you can exist but we're not fighting for your rights". Comparing that to Arielle, it just shows how low she goes.
I've seen so many news outlets doing really well but somehow the largest news outlet of the Netherlands deadnamed him and tried to justify it by saying that people wouldn't know who they meant -.-
i don't understand why she is SO OBSESSED WITH LESBIANS. in 2015 before i was even out as trans, i was at an event and she made a comment about how "lesbian" i looked. i calmly said that the term "lesbian" made me feel uncomfortable and i just identified as "gay"(since she said it in front of a lot of people). She literally laughed in my face and said "no you are a lesbian" then followed me around for the rest of the night, making more and more comments about how something i was either doing or saying was "very lesbian". And just wouldn't let it go?? Everyone I opened up to about it at the event told me how she's transphobic so that probably had something to do with it. 5 years later and literally nothing 👏has👏changed👏
Jesus. The lesbians have disowned her now. If she says she is apart of the lesbians community she is not. She is apart of the TERF community and can shove her terrible opinions up her ass.
JEEEEESUS
Wow, that's over the top! There's being a horrible TERF on camera in the privacy of her room, and then there's what she did to you 😶
gay and lesbian is the same thing.
Wtf is wrong with her
she treats being lesbian like it's a cult 😭💀
She’s just mad she can’t get any women.
@@Trigger-Warning69 ONGGGG
She's just mad that her celebrity girl crush isn't a girl.
@@Trigger-Warning69 perfect "No bitches" Moment
lesbian here👋 it’s not *technically* a cult…. yeah. it ain’t a cult😭💀
Hey Noah. I’m a 64 year old guy, and I simply love the way you express your views so logically and well. Listening to you (and Corry) has been a huge eye opener and I’m totally supportive of your journey and also seeing how unpleasant most of your critics are. They are unable to be logical. Thank you for your ability to help.
that's so wholesome
Dr. John stay cool my dude :)
This girl saying "we're losing all the lesbians" after Elliot coming out as trans has the same vibe as middle aged women saying "oh, what a waste" when a male celebrity comes out as gay, smh 🙄
Oh shit, i forgot that girls do this all the time. It just happened recently with Lil Nas X. I never got that and it scares me
@depressed bisexual ik that.
WHAT THE HELL does your comparison mean? middle aged women get upset that actors are gay? arent all actors gay once they hit hollywood?
@@ehsh3072 Well a number of sports personalities came out as gay after a few years into their careers. The phrase "what a waste" is quite prevalent and it's something I've heard a lot from women who find gay celebrities attractive and believe that because they're gay that somehow women are missing out, which is ridiculous. But, I don't really understand what you mean by all actors being gay once they've entered Hollywood, what does that mean?
Umm no, with that comparison you're equating a privileged overrepresented group - straight male celebrities - with lesbians, a discriminated minority with only a small representation. And TERFs like Arielle are waiting for that to use it as an ammunition in their propaganda. Because they're exploiting fears coming from actual issues - like misogyny from men and lesbophobia - but twist it to make it look like in the end it's trans people to blame for everything.
There's very few out non-retired lesbian actresses in Hollywood, MUCH less than gay men or bisexual women, which makes them very precious role models for the community. And let's be honest, it's certain that many lesbians did feel disappointed for that reason with Page's coming out, since they lost a considerable part of their representation in Hollywood. But the reason of that disappointment is lesbophobia of the studios that prevents actresses from coming out, while people like Arielle try to turn that negative feeling against trans people, another discriminated minority with little representation.
Why can’t she accept that a fully grown adult knows who they are as a person? He is 33 years old.
@@dylanburney396 **he is 33. whitney was correct.
@@dylanburney396 what??
@@dylanburney396 What the hell is wrong with you? Elliot Page’s is a he.
@@dylanburney396 you don't know that.
@@WrenAlbert21 To you she's a he. You never learned Biology or Physiology so I don't think you even would know if they dropped their pants for you.
I swear, as a lesbian myself, that she is personally bringing our average intelligence down by at least 30%. I cannot describe how infuriating it is to just have to sit and watch her bring down the mental health and happiness in our friendly community, by displaying all kinds of phobia and obsession, and then still expect to be welcomed in by the rest of the LGBTQIA+.
Anybody reading this, please have a good day and don’t let her stupidity change your opinion of anybody else.
Also quite a bit of (social) detransitioners who DO talk about detransitioning long term... they typically end up identifying as nonbinary or other genderqueer identities, rather than JUST binary trans people. :/
I feel so bad for elliot cuz he's struggling enough already like being trans is clearly hard enough without having people getting annoyed at you cuz they've ''lost another lesbian icon'' like leave him ALONE
Literally Elliot JUST came out like can we not just respect them?????
I wish people would just mind their own business. I am very glad that Elliot is now living his truth. I just wish people would literally stop saying "Oh, we lost another lesbian." Smh. It's so disrespectful.
Exactly it’s fucking ridiculous. As Noah said they didn’t fucking own him. He wasn’t a possession, he was a person. He is a person. It’s his right to be able to come out, to be able to have the world except him not have fucking idiots on the Internet bitch about how they’re losing an icon.
I mean you don’t see us pansexuals whining about how if somebody comes out as pan to begin with and then they realize that they are actually lesbian or something else like that. It’s just stupid. It doesn’t affect her or anybody else in the lesbian community so it’s pathetic that she’s acting as if it does.
IKR
i can understand being upset at losing seeing yourself in a public person. that’s why elliot coming out inspired other trans folks to come out, because they could see themselves. what i don’t understand is making it publically known. that you’re grieving someone else’s coming out is your own issue and you need to process that on your own. also that they don’t realize how fucking weird it is to spend more than five minutes processing something that has literally nothing to do with you.
hold on i have to go make popcorn
icons supporting icons by simultaneously hating on terfs
I already made mine hurry up sam haha
I would love to see Sam react to this lmao
yuh- making mine rn
Yes bring the popcorn
My mom said I was just a confused tomboy and I was like "If you'd call me Tom, I'd take any name at this point" she did not laugh 😅
But, there's a difference in wanting a willy and wanting to dress boyish.
I used to wear a ton of bras and a shirt under my shirts to act as a diy binder, couldn't breathe at all and it was hard to take them all off, If I could get an actual binder and used it responsibly (taking breaks, coughing, etc.) It would be better on me, it still hurts to breathe heavily. God I regret that 🏳️⚧️❤
some transmen dont even want willys because body parts arent gendered. I know transmen that kept their breasts and happily show them with bras and what nott cuz breasts arent a woman thing
people like Arielle are the minstrel voices that make the majority feel like it's ok to continue to deny people simple things like proper binding, built by trans people for trans people.
"where are the lesbians going?" not in your bedroom, that's for sure!
Lollll
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂👍
“Where are the lesbians going” farrrr farrrrrrr away form you girl
yup
Yep, we goin far, we proud for being lesbians but we also have to be proud of trans people, they are wonderful and we are all in the same boat
You have a pretty profile pic
I'm lesbian and I would not fuck her if my life was on the line lol
Im walking im walking im walking 🚶♀️🚶♀️🚶♀️🚶♀️
Nice! 👏🏻👏🏻 Her video was all kinds of wrong in every way
Dude the moment I heard that first line, "We lost another lesbian" I nearly fell out of my chair laughing.
Exactly ❤️
@@khicks4422 It's such a dumb "statement" with that video I thought "am I not a lesbian because I don't live in the USA ( I live in Colombia)?
her logic is just unbelievable
JAMIE!!! I love your videos!!!
JAMMI!!
I was told by a teacher "you shouldn't care about these kinds of issues cause you're not gay nor trans. And if you are, the door is right there"
Please keep in mind that this teacher knew my pronouns (they/them) and the fact he said that to ME...
(I actually did walk out of the room)
Good job. GOOD FUCKING JOB!
That's awful. I'm so sorry that happened to you. That being said, you sound badass.
As a trans non-binary, and person with her same surname i am ashamed about the fact that she might be my distant cousin.
How can you claim to be neither gender but also trans, which exists within a BINARY? lol retard
Arielle: “Why are lesbians so ashamed of calling themselves lesbians?!”
Also Arielle: *Constantly associates lesbianism with transphobia*
This
Also sexualizes it for men
I feel bad for other Lesbians having to deal with her 🤦♀️
No, she just associates herself with transphobia. She's not all lesbians.
@@alex-qd6of of course, thats not the point, its just that she is feeding into the idea that a lot of lesbians are transphobic especially since she is seen as a "lesbian icon" by some. which of course anyone in their right mind knows lesbians arent like that and she is part of a (very) loud minority of lesbians, but you have to think about the general population.
My original comment got deleted, so here it is again:
"Lesbians aren't a dying breed, they're just hiding from Arielle"
Breed? That’s quite telling
If I was lesbian I'd hide from her too
lmao they dont want to align w her bs.
@@opiatecords "A dying breed" is a figure of speech. I dont think they mean anything by it.
@Julia S, yeah nothing meant by it, just a figure of speech 🙂
As a lesbian myself, she is a disappointment to the lesbian continuity. LIKE WTF
How? I’m genuinely curious
@@caught4k493 She is transphobic and I'm pretty sure she is racist too, did you not watch the video, or are you just slow?
Well the Asexuals don't want her, so what If we offer her to the planet Uranus?
@@caught4k493 (another lesbian here) it's because she is a part of the LGBTQ+ community yet hates on them a lot (specifically trans people)
No she is not she speaks the truth I dont want men who think there women identifying as lesbians it's a joke! Only women can be lesbians
I'm a masc lesbian. We definitely still exist, we're just staying away from her...
I think everyone is staying away.
“These trans men want to be anything but a gay woman ” she fell face first into the point and still missed it
right. TRANS MEN do not want to be gay women... because they are trans MEN.
I just- she physically cannot be THIS stupid. like, it's so ridiculously STUPID
I really think she's trolling she CAN'T be This fucking STUPID-
did she forget about gay trans men🚶bye-
isn't elliot trans non binary tho???
not the topic of the video but THE LIGHTING LOOKS GOOOOOOD
ISNT IT COOL! THANK U!!
FR
@@inactivechannel5105 it can be both lmao you're not smart, depends if he wants it in 1 sentence or 2
@@inactivechannel5105 ...
@@inactivechannel5105 wow real Fun at parties I bet
noah literally carrying all these debunks and facts on his back
the “where are all the lesbians going?” Reminded me of the scene in heartstopper where Imogen was like “I’m not like homophobic, I’m an *ally* “
YESSSSSS GOLD. also now that i think about it it does remind me of that
Somebody said she is the incel of feminism and that just really stuck
HOLY SHIT YES
🤣🤣🤣
I mean with all her content of her watching other women make out that's not a too far off description 🤭🤭🤭
👏👏👏👏
THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE
Of course she leaves out the part where elliot talks about his experience and how trans people are killed every day
Hi Noah! Just wanna say I am 100% supportive of trans people and I absolutely love your content.
I am a detransitioner, ftmtf, that transitioned partially due to internalized misogyny. It was also due to an abusive childhood/mental illness that lead me to struggle with dysphoria which I have overcome since escaping my home life. If you have any questions about the internalized misogyny side of my previous transition please feel free to ask! :)
I am a trans gay man. I used to think I was a lesbian, then I thought I was non-binary, then I thought I was pansexual, then I thought I was a straight guy, now I am proud to say that I am a trans gay man. 🎉
You are confused. You need help.
The lesbian cis girl to gay trans man pipeline is real💀
Genuinely the exact step by step I went through lol
@@DuskulliteYOOO
You used to think so many things about your self, why should anyone anywhere take what you say seriously? Tomorrow you might identify as a platypus.
I've known people who are transphobic but not homophobic; but I've never known a homophobe that's not a transphobe.
Edit: I'm not saying homophobes don't exist, I'm saying that usually people who are homophobic tend to also be transphobic at the same time, it's very rare for a homophobe not to be transphobic at the same time.
Caitlyn Jenner...
@@jdngoCaitlyn Jenner is transgender. But she's homophobic.
It's a bit rarer, but I have seen homophobic trans men before. It's could be an expression of internalised transphobia as well though, their idea that being a man who's into men is feminine and therefore you can't possibly be "a real man" and a tray.
Weirdly enough my dad is extremely supportive towards trans people (though he believes there are only two genders) but is extraordinary homophobic (but thankfully he believes that disrespecting and/or hating on people is a sin therefore he respects lgbtq members but doesn't approve it and strongly believes it to be wrong).
But if i ever come out he will literally kill me. lol.
@@abbylove8373 @abby love That sounds a lot more like he has conditional tolerance for homosexuals, than "respect" tbh (if you'll excuse my pedantry.)
arielle really does believe i willingly went thru 5 years of my mum barely being able to look at me just to "escape misogyny"
I feel bad for you, seriously. I wish you luck for a better future, that’s ten times better than your past :)
I have a friend whose mom still doesn't call him by his name or talks to him in any friendly manner.
It's been like 8 years or more since he started transitioning, I honestly can't even remember anymore because it's been so long yet his mom still acts like he somehow killed her daughter. Fuck parents like that and I told her as much to her fucking face, you all deserve better than this.
@Eliza Walker excuse me? please don't tell me you're using religion to be blatantly transphobic.
@@DieAlteistwiederda ❤️❤️❤️
arielle's argument is not only completely illogical but also extremely insensitive to someone else’s experience that you have no idea about :/
I've only met ONE de-transitioner and that person was forced into taking hrt against their will by a chaser partner. They put up with it for about a year then escaped. Her story was heartbreaking.
Me, on the other hand, I'm happy to see my changes on hrt and constantly play with my beard. 1 year in 31 days!
I like how she says "two things can be true at once" while simultaneously saying feminism and transgenderism can't coexist lmao
Two things true at once makes me think of doublethink, from the book 1984
One thing doesn't exclude the other. Btw this video is full of illogical things, like talking about consent given by kids?? This guy literally doesn't know that kids' consent doesn't matter. By his logic, a 60 years old man could get physical with a 6 years old kid, if she gave consent. So out of touch with reality
@@96xlCoMMaNDOlx96 ur dense
@Nicole Mount depends on what you think feminism is or stands for
@@fatimascrying triggered
Arielle’s whole channel source is “trust me bro”
LMFAO
_Arielle was The impostor_
"lgbtq has been ejected
@@lucastm1631 sorry but Sally Face is yes 👌
I’m a trans woman who came out as a lesbian - we’re literally right here and there’s loads of us.
I would wager that for every queer woman coming out as a man, there’s a queer man coming out as a woman and a lesbian. You’re not losing any lesbians, you’re at a net parity of lesbians.
The only problem is that these are people who don’t accept trans women as BEING truly “lesbian”, because she’s a terf. The only way in which you’re “losing lesbians” is the way in which you ostracise and kick lesbians out of the community by being a terf.
oh my gosh, I am going to use "net parity of lesbians" to piss off TERFs from now on. most of them are Marxists (Bakunin or bust please) and replace class with binary gender, talking to them in materialistic terms is all they understand.
periodtttttttt
Do you know that feeling when you're sitting in a math class and you are trying really hard to decipher what the teacher is saying but your brain is just not capable of processing the information?
That is Arielle.
Arielle is math.
"a lot of girls are becoming nonbinary"
no. a lot of nonbinary people are coming out
Thank you!! I’m non binary and not a girl:) my “feminine sides” are a me-thing, a part of my personality
Preach! They aren't becoming anything, because that's what they always were. They just discovered who they are. Hugs (edit: or just positive vibes to those who are touch repulsive!) to all my enby pals out there :)
SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE AT THE BACK
Yes! Thank you💛
Thank you
I swear she thinks the T in LGBT stands for TERFS
yeah, the trumpie woman with an OF is a radical feminist.
Lmao 🤣 Good one I think your right ✅ 🤣
Trans awareness day? No, Terf awareness day! Terf prideeee!!!! /s
One of my favorite teachers transitioned and she used to identify as a gay person I'm so proud of her look back at th talks we had
nobody Arielle (violently shaking) "where did you put the lesbians Eliot, where are there?" "where did you put them!"
The thing is that Elliot Page is 33, has a very stable acting career, and has been out as a lesbian with an overwhelming amount of support for like 6 years. What would his motivation be to "decide" to come out as trans other than actually being trans? In my opinion there was a lot of risk in coming out as trans. I just don't get why he would do it if he didn't have to for his own mental well-being.
Agreed!
The thing about ELLEN Page is that she lost the fight against the patriarchy and decided to join it instead
@@Envision_ why are you being transphobic under a trans guy’s video
PERIODT
@@Envision_ Because the patriarchy is so much better for a trans guy...
Well better than it is for trans women, but still bad
I don't think Elliot will have it easier as the man he is than as the lesbian he thought he was. But I am happy he is finally able to be himself.
“She’s also a Trump supporter, I should have just led with that” yup that gives me almost everything I need to know sadly
I feel bad for Kalvin, he trusted her.
Yup
@@NekomiSon I feel bad for anyone who trusted Arielle at any point.
@@AbigailHonestly same!
@Maddy Elizah same
As a lesbian, we DO NOT CLAIM HER (I assume she’s a lesbian based on the way she talks about “losing lesbian” if she’s not please lemme know). And most Lesbians do not think this way, and we love all of our fellow trans lesbian, and all trans people! So happy for all of you who have been able to come out and transition!! Anyway, the whole point of this comment was to let all Of the lovely transgender people that you are loved and people like this are not worth your time ❤️❤️
I can tell you why I didn't realize/come out, even though the clues have been there. As a woman, you can wear mens clothing with few repercussions. I've been around since the 70's, where pant suits were the thing, and jeans. I got lucky. Men had some pretty good clothing, but they couldn't wear a dress. I don't think they would be accepted. But I have never worn dresses and always been accepted. Had short hair, been accepted. I'm 100% sure, if I was a teen, I would have tried to get puberty blockers.
I'm used to navigating the world as I am now, a fairly non binary person with generous attributes that I freaking hate. My kids accept me, that's all that really matters.
I too and older and non-binary trans. I think part of the reason people think we don’t exist is because generally speaking kids on tik tok seem to be the loudest most colorful representations of NB people. Nothing wrong with that but it’s just so disheartening to hear that non binary people are only teenage “girl” cashing in on a trend
OMG, she triggered me sooooo bad! I was in year 10 when the AIDS Epidemic was going on in the late 1980s, and as gay men were dropping dead from AIDS...lesbians, bisexuals, and trans people stepped up and had our backs. So I’ve always felt very strongly that we’re ALL one community. So when I heard that she claimed Elliot was a loss to the lesbian community, it pissed me off ‘cause Elliot is still in OUR community!!! Sorry, I’m a cis-gay man and I hate when people try and divide OUR community ‘cause of all the people in the world, we’re supposed to have empathy for each other. Anyway, Noah, love your videos and you continue to show me what a good man you are at your core.
Lotsa love and aloha from Honolulu! 😁❤️🤙🏽🌈☀️ (just symbols of Hawai’i)
❤️
I was done with Arielle when I found out that she was Bi phobic
Well said!
💜
@@aghasearmyshawolblinkonce8039 same
"Lesbians identifying as men to be accepted-"
Me, a gay trans man with a boyfriend: - - , 👁👁, - - Exsqueeze me?
Mood
To be accepted that funny being gay is way more acceptable
Than being trans gay poeple are oppressed but u dont ce out as trans to be accepted
@@oliviagrace3530 I'm gonna be honest, that didnt make much sense, but if you're saying I didnt come out as trans to be accepted than youd be right, I came out because I wanted to finally live as myself and be happy, coming out isnt about what other people think, it's about wanting to be able to live as yourself openly.
@@micahwhoispointless4229 I am saying your not more accepted being trans than lesbian do u do it cass u are trans
@@oliviagrace3530 Again, you make no sense in what you are saying, I came out as trans to live as myself, not because of some internal misogyny or repressed sexuality, I am a boy, i always have been, I like boys as well, that's all I said. I dont get what you mean by anything?
Lately I’ve been thinking that I might be a lesbian but this lady-
She makes me want to stay a bisexual in denial :/
I honestly love all of your trans videos, I came out to my parents about 3 months ago as transmasc and they act like nothing happened. Im very sad cuz my mom thinks I’m confused and that I’ll Detransition she said other transphobic things to me and now she won’t even let me have a therapist, she ignores me whenever I asked her about it and the only thing she says is to believe in god, not to worry about those unnecessary things and just let jesus in our heart- I’m so tired and listening to you talk about trans issues and other things just makes me feel a lot more happier:D thank you so much
Imagine me saying “we’re losing all the bisexuals” and making a video freaking out on all the lesbians who’ve used the label as a stepping stone to discovering themselves or coming out. :/// let people be, damn
As a bisexual I feel this is a superb comparison. All of my friends who identify as only being attracted to women have identified as bisexual once, and most of my friends who currently identify as bisexual are constantly questioning if they are really just lesbian 💀 you don’t hear me giving a heck
@Savannah Wells a lesbian? Is that autocorrect because I'm confused on what you are asking. In any case I hope it goes well and if they don't support you they don't deserve you.
Random story, my friend used to identify as lesbian but now she's bisexual. I could make a video crying abt the loss of a dear lesbian friend, or I could suck it up and support her lol
Hate to break it to you but the amount of bi ppl who get mad at others for using the label as a stepping stone is ridiculous it’s kinda become “a thing” now sadly but I agree with you
@@julianyu3584 *sigh* why are people *gestures generally at us all*
she’s just probably mad she can’t have a crush on him anymore
Which is weird, she totally can. But I don't imagine she has much respect for bisexuals and probably wouldn't want to be associated with them.
Dude I know that actor from umbrella academy and was shocked that he uses he/they pronouns but it makes me extra happy because I only knew like one other nonbinary actor
@@eggpusher2585 iirc, you are correct about her opinions toward bi people. I know you're shocked.
@@MercenaryPine9 **LGBT
@@vesper8042 There is a movement around to 'drop the T' from LGBT and such they made a group calling itself the LGB Alliance.
I accidentally deadnamed a trans person once.. and before you come for me like “youre transphobic!!”, I’m trans-
So basically, I didn’t know he was trans, so I called him by what everyone’s been calling him for the past eleven years, and he threatened to kill me. 😃👍
man how is that relevant-
I used to think I was bi, then a lesbian, then a nonbinary lesbian, then nonbinary and pansexual, then nonbinary and aroace, and now I'm ftm asexual and aro-spec. We can try out labels until we find the right one. For some people, there is no right one! Not everybody gets it first try.
"we're afraid to lose our rights"
s-so u vote for the guy who wants to take away those rights?
** Insert leopard eating faces party joke here **
As a Lesbian I can confirm that we are NOT an endangered species. However, any girls that like me are extinct :(
Mood
Stay strong! You'll find a girl who adores you!
Same
this hit on a personal level :((
Plenty who like you. nobody who has the courage to talk to you. The lesbian dilema, we are all shy af.
i’ve been listening to so many of this guys songs for so long and also watching his videos from time to time but i have no idea it was the same person. anyways i love LIFES A BIT so fucking much it’s such a vibe goodbye
I love your intro “hello under-achievers” it’s so perfectly inclusive of everyone
THOUGHTS?!
ALSO LMAO I REALISED IN THE BATH THAT WHEN ARIELLE SAID THAT 90% OF TRANS PPL ARE AFABS THAT I THEN SAID “DOES SHE REALLY THINK 30% ARE BORN MALE?” WHICH ADDS UP TO 120% I’M SORRY I FILMED THE VIDEO AT LIKE 2AM
hello
insanity
THOUGHTS ARE BEING THUNK.
I HAVEN'T WATCHED IT YET, BUT AMAZING VIDEO DUDE
No thoughts, head empty...
As a trans man myself, I can't tell you how many times I have been told that I'm a misguided/lost lesbian. but ma'am....I'm engaged to a man...trans people can be gay
Like me,I'm a gay af trans girl. My dad thinks I'm not really trans as I've never been out with a guy before
YUP! Story of my life too💀
hope you have/had a good wedding :D
Yes, a friend of ours realized he was a man, but to him his gay identity is more important than the gender of his interest, so now he's a gay man, while he used to live as a lesbian. I'd say he is bisexual. But - who cares about labels?
Straight*
You’re a heterosexual female. You’re not gay. You’ve possibly fetishized homosexuality, but that still isn’t gay.
Ultimately, you will never be a homosexual and intrinsically you will always be different from a gay man.
i feel like arielle is the kind of lesbian who tells bisexuals to pick a side and refuses to acknowledge that pansexual people exist
i was extremely confused as to why noah referred to that one website at about 11:30 in the video as transphobic when it says that they dont support harmful treatment for gender nonconforming people. the confusion came from my assumption that the site was talking about conversion therapy, but it was talking about hormones and other sources of physical modifications (used specifically by people on the trans spectrum) for peoples own comfortability and furthermore euphoria. HOW IS CONVERSION THERAPY BETTER THAN GRNDER EUPHORIA
Why is she smiling like she's doing something? As if her facts are actually beneficial and informative?
how is arielle gonna say that “lgbt acceptance is down” when she literally is participating in that? like lgbT??? hello???
The whole thing of " "gay" people transition to escape homophobia" (I haven't actually watched the video yet so I don't know if she says that)ummmm, even as a cis bi person I acknowledge that transphobia is a LOT worse than homophobia 🙄
Whoever made the subtitles needs a raise
Arielle - we’re losing lesbians oh no
Me - *is a trans lesbian woman* am I a joke to youV
This is Arielle we are talkin about.. We are a joke to her
Arielle doesn't like us trans lesbians... like at all. - unless MAYBE when we have bottom surgery - and I'm sure she wouldn't like as much more even then
@@BahamutEx She's made videos dissing trans women's surgeries. She's truly... well, I was going to type "a bottom-dweller" but... yeah.
To all the trans lesbians here I just want to let you know as a fellow lesbian that I think you're beautiful and valid and I love each and every one of you so much! Just thought some of you could need some positivity after all of this Arielle crap. Screw her.
Arielle: no not like that
Me getting the lesbians away from her: LETS GO LESBIANS LETS GO
we do not claim her 😔✋
@@Sam-ov3kk as a non-binary (he/she/they) and omnisexual person, we don’t claim her either
@@n0t_matilda263 very good to know😌
@@Sam-ov3kk i think everyone in the lgbtqia+ community does not claim her
@@aizsniperi good to know shes not welcome😁
Thank u for making this I honestly lost so much faith at first cause she was my first lesbian “teacher” when I was young& seeing her switch was heartbreaking.
As a non binary person and a lesbian this triggered me so much
Also, I can't with the fact that Elliot never called himself straight nor a man and still terfs are like "another white straight male"
That is a fair point, because did Elliot ever actually say he was a trans man or non binary in his post? He could be non binary leaning masc for all we know.
@@Thekingofneedles I think Elliot didn't write "man" or "nonbinary" on purpose, because who was stopping them? It's a coming out post! Maybe nor "man" or "nonbinary" are fitting. He wrote "trans" and "queer", so maybe it's just it, the whole identity.
@@aliceche714 yeah, that makes sense
@@Thekingofneedles I believe he just said he was coming out as trans and identifies with he/they pronouns.
So I think masc-nb is probably a close descriptor, but obviously nobody can really know his identity but him.
(I used "him" etc a bunch so it didn't seem like i was generalizing and saying "noone can know their identity")
I got called misogynistic for being a trans guy.... that was an experience
LMAOOOOOO 😭😭😭
You can be a woman and be misogynistic, I don't understand the correlation of this comment. Not trying to fight, genuine confusion here
@@enzi87 They were essentially saying that being a trans guy automatically makes me misogynistic. They were insinuating that being misogynistic was an inherent trait of all trans guys because we think were better than women.
@@devingreen7809 Oh yeah, that's completely riddiculous. Thank you for the context! Have my like now ^^
Where's the lie?
Noah calmly correcting peoples pronouns and gender is so satisfying oh my god- thank you.
Hey, you've got the Duper's Delight smile that Arielle told us about.
Arielle saying that "oh kids are just being trans to be like everyone else"
But Elliott is in his 30s... Like I'm sure he knows himself better than some terf on the internet
Edit: "kids grow out of disphoria at 25"
Again Elliott is in his 30'S WHY DRAG HIM INTO THIS
EXACTLY. Also laughing at this as someone who started transition literally at age 25.
I expected her to say that Elliott should have waited to transition until he was 18, to be sure. Ridiculous.
I love how her point was that school teachers will treat you better if you come out as trans - yes, I'm sure 33-year-old Elliott based his decision to come out on this. As we all know, the average 33-year-old is in school in Arielle's world.
I'm 34 and slowly coming out as nonbinary (although I've known for a long time). I was told by some internet stranger that I'm just a normal girl trying to be edgy. Oh please 😅 by this age I couldn't care less about being seen as cool or edgy or special.
@Eliza Walker Arielle is hardly a celebrity, lol
I love how she SKIPPED the part where Elliot says Hes afraid of harassment and things like the video she was making 🙄
Hmmmmmm
i got a transphobic/homophobic ad before the video started😭‼️
trans women can be lesbian though..
I just googled Eliot Page, and even German Google is able to not misgender him, so why can't the transphobes?
Yeah I’m so happy!! Not about Arielle obviously but I checked and Google changed his name and pronouns and so have a lot of other sites :’) when you google a show or series he appeared in and click on his name it googles the deadname though :((
I saw one of those clickbaity articles from last year that was edited to include Elliot rather than his dead name, and he was only a small part of the article.
If they can do it, anyone can refer to him by his name!
i didn't know who that was so i looked them up, i love his long hair (if he still has it it's great if not it's still great lmao)
doch bild und gala haben die falschen pronomen und deadname verwendet.... deutschland hat es mal wieder nicht geschafft
@@tijanaself897 uff, that's sad
Saying we lost another lesbian when someone comes out as trans would be the equivalent of straight people saying we lost another straight when someone comes out as lgbt
Thanks for putting my exact thoughts into words, I always have a hard time explaining this to people
@@joannas8359 at least it backs up our arguments even more😂
I love arguing with people who have opposing views to me because they just make it so easy to poke holes in their arguments.
@@rrenneee 😂😂
she sounds exactly like a homophobe
@Eliza Walker because it turns they're not lesbian???? it's not hat hard to understand.
as i lesbian we don’t claim her
ace celestia agrees ?!
@@akgfilming celestia says trans rights
ok well i no longer identify as a lesbian but still dont claim her
As a cis lesbian, no, no we aren’t running out dw 😭😭😭 it’s not a competition and it should NEVER be a competition, people are what they are and nobody should change that. It breaks my heart to see like gay hate towards trans people like cmon :( we as skittles should all be on the same side
Same😭😭 I'm tired of seeing lgbtq+ people fighting against each other when we should be supporting each other since we're literally in the same community???
Funny how she talked about girls identifying as trans when Elliot is a grown ass person. What do girls have to do with Elliot coming out?
Right??? It's self centered. She acts like the world revolves around misogyny.
the infantilization of dfab trans people still going strong
ThEy’Re InDoCtRiNaTiNg ThE kIdS!!!
lmao exactly, elliot is 33 years old. stop infantilizing trans people.
"we did it we lost another lesbian guys" 💀💀💀as a fellow gay i can say that we're doing pretty ok lmfao
in fact
we could stand to loose a few terfs💀💀but then again maybe im just a sexist lesbian somehow ajfdkjsf
The most interesting part is Elliot has now, at some point in his life, added representation for a lot of people, especially people trying to figure out identity.
@@livi9761 Yes. And she's trying to invalidate it still when his coming out may actually help lots of trans pals to accept themselves.
"WE LOST A LESBIAN!!!" .....but like, our self conscious transmasc brothers gained a brother and tbh i find that much better.
noah has an mcr poster that i've just noticed and now it's all i can focus on lmao
she said "subscribe to my onlyfans" opinion rejected
“a lot of girls are identifying as non binary” no, a lot of non binary people are coming out as non binary
ty for saying this
literally thank you :)
Thank you as a afab non-binary
As an enby this made me really happy, thank you
So should amab enbies just? 🚪🚶
“Where did all the lesbians go?!???”
away from her
also random but mcr in the background i rEPEAT MCR IN THE BACKGROUND-
we changed are secrets meeting days so she could not participate
@@ashs4786 as y'all should
yup we ran over here
@naruto usumaki yESSS
w e l c o m e t o the
b l a c k p a r a d e
As a representative of the lesbians, i am not sorry to say that we will not be accepting your allegiance to our group, and on behalfnof the trans folks out there, i sincerely apologize for our former ally, we will not be allowing her into our ranks anymore. We will be removing Miss Arielle from our ranks due to her severe transphobia and genderphobia. She will not be using her former allegiance with the lesbian community to defend or justify her actions anymore. Again, i sincerely apologize for this awful person. Good day ❤
First: WTF that person have with trans ppl and their lives? The guy comes out as trans, cool! Contrats young man!
Second: is the person ( I think it's a she cuz said it's a lesbian so sorry if I use the wrong pronoun with the brunette) so... Is she obsessed with lesbians? Lilith help me 🙏
Third: Dude I live your videos, I learn each day something new! Keep up the good work 💕
Edit: Also I love to know more and more about our Community!! Honestly I wasn't aware of detransition but it's always amazing to know more
Also: How is less than 0.09% genderdysphoria after transitioning a huge problem but more than 99.91% genderdysphoria before transitioning no problem at all?
"first off, this graph doesn't even have the y axis labelled" made me laugh way too much
You know if you wanna phrase a trans man who's attracted to women as "Another lesbian lost" then you also have to apply the logic and realize that a trans woman interested in women is a lesbian gained so it should pretty much average out anyways.
But it's not, they are straight men w fetishes or mental complexes
She’s saying it’s the people who hate turfs fault for the low acceptance instead of the turfs themselves.
Why do transphobes have to act like trans people effect them or owe them anything in any way?? Like what do you want from us?
I believe it comes from compulsory cisgendered normativity. Transphobic cis people want trans people to just stay in the boxes of their respective birth-assigned genders usually because it brings them the comfort of the illusion of a world that makes more personal sense to them.
"Someone somewhere is eating something I won't eat... I don't know who, I don't know where, but I know they're doing it to annoy me..."
that's how stupid they sound!
@@jacksparrowismydaddy true x)
(People should REALLY stop eating licorice though 😤)
@@johnwalker1058 i remember trying to explain gender identity and shit in the comments of some youtube video to a bunch of probably middle aged transphobic women and they took so much offense to my use of the harmless term 'cis' instead of processing my explanation that i just gave up. it's so bewildering.
Actually it seems to be trans women thinking lesbians owe them something, or have you not heard of the cotton ceiling, or seen the vile threats lesbians receive for not liking the opposite sex 🤷♀️ so I’d say we want our sexuality to be respected like trans people want their gender identity to be respected. Not such a hard thing to understand really.
Another point is that she automatically assumes that every trans man was first identifying as a lesbian?? Like you said, bi, pan, ace, and straight people still exist and transition 😑 she really does make literally everything about her, and she's not even a little bit right while doing so
@Boo_123 ...whats funny about that
like I'm an ace transguy
Fr I was always bisexual before and after discovering I'm transgender.
Same energy as the people who hear you're trans and go "wait, are you sure you're not just gay?"
Like bro
They are separate things
They are not always related smh
Falou tudo
Yes! Overwhelmingly yes. I’m a current closeted trans female and have only told 2 people I know in real life. I’m scared to come out because I am afraid that I could be a victim of one of these hate crimes. Thankfully I have been doing martial arts for 7 years so I won’t be seriously hurt in many outcomes but I am more afraid of being a social outcast.
So you are a gay man
Lucky for you, being a male, liking men, not fitting gender sterotypes is totally okay!!
the three cheers album cover in the back
Ive struggled w crazy amounts of internalized misogyny & i never had the urge to pretend to be a trans man? Wtf who would do that?
she acts like people have enough money laying around to go get surgery to transition. if somebody isnt trans they are not going to transition. its like trying to convince old people that liking someone isnt a choice and that thats not how attraction works. i wish that people like her and the hets could just go to another planet or something
Old people?
Internal misogyny? Wtf, you hate women’s insides?!
@@HkFinn83 yes everyone does not the thing tho
saying you lost a lesbian when elliot page came out as trans is like saying the hets lose a straight person every time someone comes out as being something other than straight.
That's a false comparison given there are hundreds, thousands of celebrities that are straight. The ones that are lesbian? You can count them on one hand. You notice when one goes missing.
@TheIndelibleCaptain No, it's really not. It's fair to feel some kind of sadness if a person that represented you is lost. You can't have it both ways and say they're a new person now but that the old one isn't gone.
@@mechantechatonne Yeah, it really blows my mind how these supposedely progressive people don't see it. One one hand they're gonna be talking about representation in the media, and on the other hand you'll have Noah be like WELL EVEN IF YOU THINK YOU'VE LOST A LESBIAN SO WHAT????
@TheIndelibleCaptain No, you couldn't because 70% of people are straight, at least, so you are unlikely to find yourself at a loss of straight media representation or at a loss of a straight role model. You're making a false equivalency and pretending to not understand an obvious thing. He isn't under the obligation to do anything because people look up to him or find him relatable, just like people are not under any obligation to pretend they didn't notice losing one of the only out lesbians in Hollywood.
@TheIndelibleCaptain You're a really impressive lesbophobe. You know you lose SJW points for that.
I'm 47 and have never "grown out" of my gender dysphoria, and I wish someone had helped me identify it much earlier.
The phrase "biological women" really bothers me. I have recently identified that I am a trans woman, and I am as much of a carbon-based lifeform as any other woman.
She uses the phrase "LGBT" a lot, but seems to forget that it has a "T" in it.
She also ignores that the lesbians that are being "depleted" by trans men are being "replenished" by trans women. I think she's just terrified that the next woman she picks up in a bar is going to be an AMAB.
When my mom found out elliott page was trans she went crazy. She started to question if she should allow me to watch the next season of umbrella academy thankfully my sister talk her into allowing me to watch it(btw I'm a tran boy who is twelve and my mom is a big transphobe so that one hurt) And I'm happy that Elliott page was comfortable with coming out