What else are you supposed to do when a 6'9 muscular man has you pinned down on a speeding train, your powers won't work, and the one who taught you everything you know is right there?
@@sonicspeedgamer6336Not to mention, people older than children can ask for help as well. We as a society just consider it weak. Thank goodness we're changing.
What's even more crazy though is that like... Miguel is right. Miles IS a kid. He's 18 at most (odds are 17). But Miguel wants to call him a kid for the purposes of saying "I know best" but TREAT him like an adult and it's part of what makes him so jarring and genuinely scary as a villain. He's frothing at the mouth to seriously harm someone he just called a KID.
2:31 I can't believe I just noticed this, when Miguel calls Miles an anomaly, for a split-second when Miles Glitches after he says that, if you pause the frames just right, Miles in the goofy spiderman costume of the first movie appears for a split second while he's glitched. That's so ironic, because it was right then and there where Stan Lee appeared in a cameo where after miles asked him if the costume would fit, he tells him "It always fits, eventually." This is so powerful, it's literally a jab at Miquel that Miles IS a spiderman, he got there through effort and determination, eventually, whether he was an anomaly or not, he MADE it. I LOVE the cinematography in this scene, it is incredible.
Take control of your own destiny. Don't be a prisoner of fate. Make choices based on what you believe is right, not what is predetermined for you. Be the master of your own path.
I completely agree! Gwen's character development in the Spider-Verse is captivating and adds a new dimension to the story. I'm excited to see how her choices and conflicts unfold in upcoming chapters.
Man the layers of this story are so beautiful, Gwen is staying in the spider society to fight for the cause but REALLY it’s to avoid going home so that she can’t fulfill her own canon event of her police chief dad dying. The hypocrisy of telling miles his dad needs to die for the canon while avoiding her own fate is crazy
when they all disappear because Miles kept breaching the multiverse, and he becomes the last Spider-Man (if a Deux Machina in the script doesn't surprisingly save them all), there will be no "good guys" to blame. And you will return to this video to comment: "He was just a kid who didn't know what he was doing."
This fr gonna impact the spider society, after Gwen scolded Miguel for going after Miles in my personal theory I think spider society could turn on Miguel
@@DavidBabarro Miles should already be dead, Alt Miles should already be dead, Gwen should already be dead. They're all directly broken canons...Miguel even stated that himself to Miles he alone should be proof the entire theory is wrong. But we have George defying ASM 90 as well just to reinforce this fact breaking canon is fine. Something else murdered Alt 2099. India was an Anomaly of an Anomaly of an Anomaly known as the Spot causing the Collider to overload creating a Blackhole it had nothing to do with ASM 90 being broken.
I really liked how they also saw her having the chance to stop miles by rebooting the system and stopping the teleporter, but as she looked at miles staring at her, she just let him go. Just shows a lot on growth. Miles being a anamoly was never his fault, he wasnt the one who teleported that spider. However, as seen on these scenes, he has grew into a incredible spiderman, outwitting the entire spider verse.
I love the regretful look on Gwen’s face at 3:42. Really shows her feeling towards lying to Miles, and how much she really cared about him. And then that “Miles!” At 4:54, a combination between sorrow and a sliver of joy.
4:51 I love the contrast between Peter and Gwen here. Gwen in that moment is proud of Miles and for a second forgets that things between them are fractured. But Peter can't show that pride because his focus is on the fact that Miles feels betrayed and there's very little he and Gwen can really do at this point to make that right
I feel like what takes down Miguel’s argument is that every major supervillain he has faced so far has called Miles Spiderman. That might not sound like much but villains, like Doc Ock, continuously referred to Peter B. as just him name, and not Spiderman like she did with Miles. The Spot also only referred to Miles as Spiderman and not the others. He *is* Earth-1610’s Spiderman.
Yes he is, but what I don't get is why is he blaming miles the spot alongside many scientists working for kingpin brought the spider to his universe. Kingpin should be the one to blame
i didn't realize that till you mentioned it i did notice the same face expression that prowler miles and spiderman miles did but never connected the dots
@@EagleFangBasketball22Had nothing to do with that…it was about to bite the miles from earth 42 but it got switched at the last min to 1610 miles who is currently spiderman
i love how when it came down to it everyone folded when they saw miles truly just wanted to go home. The only one who was willing to sacrifice Miles's chance at redemption (saving the loved one they all wish they couldve saved) is Miguel who knows what can happen if he messes it up. (because he did it first)
@@Naybahood60ranger Not as the villain, much more as just an antagonist. I mean, his entire motivation is to not let Miles risk destroying both his universe, but potentially all others, with no plan or reason other than thinking he can change fate. Considering he's both a scientist and someone whose heavily implied that there have been multiple universes destroyed in the past due to broken 'Canon' which the Spider-Society failed to save, I couldn't blame Miguel for his unwillingness to risk everything on blind faith. Obviously we as the audience know that Miles will prove fate isn't decided because that's the best ending for the Trilogy, but to Miguel & the rest of the Spider-Society, the 'Canon' is the equivalent to the Trolley Problem, only with hundreds of trillions of lives at stake against only one - Obviously it's a cruel choice that Miguel has made clear destroys him inside, and Miles *is* justified for being unwilling to accept it, but both sides are completely understandable.
Which I think people overlook a lot. Cause so far Miguel has only recruited people AFTER their canon event. Seeing Miles have a chance at saving the people close to them is part of the Web Warrior code. TRY and save everybody.
@@ValiantStranger12 the one thing that’s been tripping me out about the plot is. If SPOT is an ANOMALY. That means he’s NOT canon right? But Miles’s canon event involves spot killing his father. That means the canon was already altered in some way. That means that it IS POSSIBLE to change the canon without breaking it. That Or miles HAS to save his dad to stop spot from destroying the multiverse, because if he does kill his dad, that means that spot, an ANOMALY, will be fully integrated in the spiderverse by killing Miles’s dad. So in the end miles will have to save his dad in order to save the multiverse (obviously just a wild theory while smoking a blunt)
Or maybe the canon event stuff doesn't work the way Miguel thinks it does. We have at least one case of undeniable proof canon is either flexible or weird: Earth 42. This universe gas no spider man. But that's not the canon breaming part. The Earth 42 spider was supposed to bite 42 Miles as you can see in the Spot's flashback. But it DIDN'T. It got transported to Earth 1610 and bit 1610 Miles. Without the collider, AKA the thing that breaks canon, 42 Miles would be Spider man and maybe 1610 Miles would be the Prowler. But it doesn't play out like that. If Miguel is right about canons, both dimensions should be shattered into pieces because one universe lacks a spider man when it wasn't supposed to and 1610 Miles became a Spider Man when he wasn't originally supposed to be. And yet both universes are still in one piece. So either Miguel is just plain wrong or maybe canon events are a lot more flexible. @EJSweaty
1:48 A nice detail is that when Miles lands the first kick, Miguel catches it but then Miles quickly realised and uses his other to kick him in the chin. I used to think that Miguel tanked that kick but Miles followed up!
By Miguel’s own logic, Miles should be able to save his dad, since he was supposedly never supposed to be Spider-Man in the first place (i.e. not have a canon to follow)
@@nicolaridolfi6510 Why? She sees her Spider-Man chasing some unknown person down and wants to help him. For all she knows Miguel is trying to take down a teenaged murderer or something.
It's interesting how throughout the whole train fight Miguel doesn't set off Miles's Spider-Sense which shows that he doesn't actually intend to harm Miles, just capture him; until it goes off at the end "Go Home" scene where Miles is in the machine and Miguel bursts through the wall. Miguel was almost feral at the end there.
Still kind of upset they took off the "Sorry man, I'm going home." To add such a small detail about how Miles can still be sympathetic that adds so much depth to his character. Like Miguel has been disrespectful the entire time but Miles understood the risks and told him "I understand, but I'm still doing my own thing. Sorry." Idk man, the release cut out a lot of important small elements that added a lot to the characters overall and removed it for nothing.
@@simon-peterwilliamson2412 I actually like that a lot, but I still think it could fit in either this scene or when he was being teleported away. I just wish they kept it somewhere.
Thank you and I feel like the ending with earth 42 miles putting his fist up to 1610 miles and the music pauses for a sec but they changed it it added more suspense imo
The way miles questions if Miguel is even a spiderman is so good. It’s kind of like a little thing the two have in common. Miles wasn’t supposed to be spiderman, but then you have Miguel who is an awful lot like an artificial spider man, no webs(laser webs instead), no spider sense, no sticking to walls, just claws instead.
He didn't have a spider-sense in the comics too. What he did have was heightened hearing and seeing which Peter Parker didn't have. He can hear things that are very very far away and see things very very far away. And he did have claws too the comics. He is only able to cling to surfaces with his hand and feet while Peter Parker can cling onto surface with any part of his body. And like someone said here, he got the powers after accidently splicing himself with spider DNA giving him all this.
Well to be fair, even the main Spider-Man started out with artificial webbing, Miguel is just using laser webs since they must be more practical than artificial webbing (specially on 2099)
miguel's powers are the result of gene splicing with a spider and spider-man's webs have pretty much always been artificial so laser or not it doesnt matter
3:18 You gotta feel bad for miles bro he’s just trying to fit in and that fact that Miguel just whispered to his ear and said he doesn’t belong just pisses me off and makes me sad.
Miles deserved a lot more for disobedience. In the sort of God mode perspective we have as audiences, and based on Gwen's dad, we know that Miguel isn't completely right about the concept of "breaking canon." However, if you are in Miguel's shoes, if you only knew what he knew, Miles is not only failing to live up to the same sacrifice that all other spider men and women have made, he's literally going to wipe out a whole universe for nothing. His dad won't even get to live after the universe collapses, we saw it with Miguel's daughter. If I were in Miguel's shoes, I'd have killed Miles straight up.
@@Number1spideyglazer Yup. Because of the universal genocide attached to the simpler "save his dad" thing. You're not going to be one of those people stupid enough to believe that events can be isolated from their broader contexts, right?
@@Number1spideyglazer ...You're really describing the death of literally every life within a universe as "multiverse context thing or whatever"???? lol, honestly, good job for getting this far. Based on the contents of your responses, I wouldn't have expected you to have the intellectual capacity to tie your shoes in the morning, much less type with passable grammar.
miles jumping in the portal was his own decision. he did it because of love. so yeah. its kinda his fault. he didn't know this consequence but...... yeah. the earth 42 spider was the main source
@@a.jthomas6132 no. you're a moron. even if miles didn't know, he made things worse. it doesn't matter who started it to begin with. spot, the spider, kingpin. whatever. get the hint. unlike you, you're not even belong to the spider society
And she's right. Miguel O'hara and the rest of variants of Spider-Man and Spider-Woman are supposed to be the good guys. Well it turns out, they're not good guys.
Everything Miguel has been doing, he has been doing for the greater good of the Multiverse, it not like he's is being selfish, the only spider man I see being selfish is Miles.
9:13 here you can see the Earth-928 animation style, how there's still guidelines on Miguel's figure because Nueva York is still trying to catch up with it's ideal for the future.
Miguel comes off as incredibly violent, almost animalistic. But behind it you sense the sheer desperation that’s driving him. He barges through doors and walls. He launches himself into the air after Miles even though his suit is malfunctioning. He manages to tear a hole in the usually indestructible go-home machine. He’s fighting tooth and nail to safeguard the canon as he sees it, because he truly believes it’s a question of life and death.
Calling it right now, Miguel ends up finding The Spot at one point, but the Spot somehow gets it out of Miguel that the death of Miles’ dad is the “only” way to keep the multiverse in tact, so Spot makes a deal with him: if Miguel LETS him kill Miles’ dad, he’ll turn himself in and not cause any more trouble. And somehow, one of the other Spiders (like Jessica Drew or Ben Reilly) overhears them, has a change of heart, turns on Miguel (citing that a REAL Spider-Man would never let a villain kill someone) and joins Gwen and Peter B’s team in finding Miles and helping him save his father from being killed.
7:12 that moment, with that score, isn't talked about enough. Miguel with the brutal force looking like wants rip apart Miles, and Miles face of scared, bruh
Miguel genuinely made my blood boil in this scene, calling a 15 year old kid a mistake because of an anomaly he couldn’t control and didn’t ask for is actually insane??? It’s not Miles’s fault that spider bit him, he didn’t plan on the spider biting him, and didn’t even know there was another universe at the time. But I will say, Miguel is written amazingly.
Nice little detail here at 6:47. Miles's spider sense goes off before Miguel comes in the room, I dont think that happens with the other spider people (yes it does go off before some attacks, but never well before theyre in the room), Miguel is literally a threat here, honestly think he was going to stop Miles by any means here
I’m more mad at Peter than I am at Gwen because with Gwen, yeah she may have lied and tried to justify it, but she’s a kid and still needs a lot to learn and makes up for it. With Peter, although I love his philosophy of blessings can come with hardships, he felt TOO calm about Miles dad dying when he knows this isn’t right.
@@thatopitsoane6213 actually it makes sense, but I feel it had more to do with the alchemax drugs. Especially cuz he wasn’t that big in the first movie
@@jeremiahscott2032 It's kinda like what i think happen with William Afton from FNAF that led him to do his murders: After what happen in The Bite Of 83, with the Death of Crying Child, along with The Circus Baby's Pizza World Incident, with the Death of Elizabeth (Baby's Soul), plus the apparent Death of his Wife. It made William fell into a MASSIVE Depression, which made him (along with the EXCESSIVE Drug Drinking) lose his Sanity, & led him think that Henry (his Former Friend & Co-Owner of Fredbear's Family Dinner), to modify The Animatronics, so they could kill Crying Child, which eventually led him to kill Charlie (Henry's Daughter & the soul of Puppet) & The 5 Missing Children, leading to the Events of The First 6 Games... Now think about The Similarities between Miguel & William's Case.
Bro the way he just yeet SM 2099 and the pure DISBELIEF on 2099's face because he just truly did not believe MM to be this much of a problem. They all just saw him as "some kid." Miles woke them tf up.
So only white spider men can get hit or choked out huh? Yeah, that's pretty much current day reasoning. 😂😂 You know the one who died and got his everything smashed saving him was a white guy right??
Latino man slams a Black teen 😭 I don’t think that was the director’s intention but I def can see that happening…the only other characters to help out Miles without crossing him in the Spider Society were Spider Byte and Spider Punk, two Black characters🤔
something that never made sense to me about miguel's logic is that if miles never got bit then Miles' spiderman wouldn't be dead. Whilst it is kind of true it's not necessarily mile's fault. If you think about it, up until the spider bit him he was simply doing regular things that he would have done even if the spider wasn't there. How can he be an anomaly if he was doing what he would normally be doing and the scientists fisk hired were the ones that brought the spider? I'm not fully sure, I hope they bring in the web of destiny or madam web. I think that would be really cool
The day after Miles was bitten, he went back to where the spider bite him to investigate, unknowingly walking into the Collider's room. This causes, in Miguel's eyes, the events that lead to 1016's Peter death.
In the Movie, Spiderman wastes arround 2 minutes saving Miles from falling and then chatting with him for a bit. When he’s done and goes up to blow the collider, Prowler arrived and tackles Spiderman. Those 2 minutes made the difference
@@felipemontero1087 I get that getting bit by the spider caused his spiderman's death. Its just everything Miles did up until that point was what he would normally be doing. Mile's spiderman hadn't gone to shut off the collider before the spider was brought through. It's not like anything could be done about that. Especially since every Spiderman universe has a collider. The one in Miles' world just actually brought stuff into it. Everything was progressing normally
This is something I’ve been thinking about too. The whole thing with spiderman and the spiderverse is that anyone can be spiderman. It’s just about being at the right place and right time to ge bitten by the spider. Miles had absolutely nothing to do with spider 42 being brought to his dimension. Kingpin’s collider exploding also wasn’t miles fault and miles actively fought to help fix it. Miguel saying miles wasn’t meant to be bit by the spider doesn’t make any sense. By that logic you can argue that none of them were meant to be spiderman.
Miguel and the spot blame Miles for things that he did not do, he did not ask to be bitten and he did not directly cause the reactor explosion, they are only looking for someone who cannot defend himself against the accusations.
Something that I don't understand is that if Miles is an anamoly then why are canon events locked to him? If he's "not suppose to be Spiderman" then why are Spiderman rules locked to him? If snything it might be a good thing he's an anamoly and saving people cuz then the canon event would have stopped "by accident". Perhaps thats what they will learn in the next movie
Because, unless specific to a timeline, there is only one Spiderman on each universe. Miles getting bitten by a spider that was not from that universe, when such event had already happened with Peter, was the first anomaly. This ended up "correcting" itself with Peter's death. The anomaly still exists as long as Milles is alive, but dormant. Like those nuclear bombs that were lost in the ocean and are still to be found. Milles sole existence is that bomb. And him following the canon is the only thing that stops the bomb from going off. That's why his dad's death is necessary. It's a canon event. Killing Milles will just leave that world without Spiderman, same thing if he stops being Spiderman, causing the "bomb" to go off. a cascade of events that should not happen will happen, and viceversa.
@@fanboygg4753 Ah, because there is one. Miles. You see, Miles is that universe's Spiderman. Same way Gwen and other Spiderman can be part of Miguel's super patrol
A 15 year old who beat a roided out Kingpin... who can also manipulate electricity.... and who saved the multiverse... It's funny, but it's not like Miguel is fighting Eric Foreman here lol Miles is a G, fr
NO CAP I watch this movie once a week. It will never get old and I will never get over it for as long as I live. I love little Miles Morales so much...I wish I could just pull him off the screen and put him in my purse.
There are so many little incredible moments that I love in this sequence. For example, in the beginning of the train sequence Miguel rips off Mile’s band, making him begin to glitch out and putting additional pressure on him. Another example, at 1:12 we hear “departing for the moon” as the train speeds up. Prior to that moment, Miles was able to use his webs to climb outside the train, but after it speeds up, he can’t. It’s also the same reason Miguel can use his laser “webs”: they’re not physical projectiles , but more like beams of energy. And since Miguel doesn’t have the “stickiness” of other spider people since he was never bit, he has to use his claws to climb on the train. At 1:35 we see that Miles can’t use his webs outside the train to climb upwards because the high speed blows them back down. So, he then decides to fight Miguel. And that part at 1:40 is a sort of “leap of faith” moment, mirroring the jump in the 1st spider verse movie. At 2:31, Miles glitching turns him into his homemade Spider-suit version, showing how afraid and inexperienced he feels. It’s also so interesting to see how the background changes in the fight. Near the beginning it’s obviously near earth, but towards the end you can see satellites in the background. Later, when Miles is trying to fight off Miguel after being slammed into the train, we see him keep trying to touch Miguel’s suit but Miguel keeps slamming him back down to stop Miles from charging up. So, Miles distracts him by revealing his plan, and then uses his PALMS on Miguel’s shoulders, instead of just fingers or just charging from Miguel’s arms (which still give Miguel a bit more time to react). This allows him to disable Miguel’s suit because his suit uses electricity. Otherwise, Mile’s powers wouldn’t have been nearly as effective. It’s absolutely incredible details like this that elevate the fight SO much.
The real predicament I'm in when watching this movie was logic. Miles going to save his Dad wouldn't disrupt the multiverse. Here me out, the two times we see an anomaly occur was when Miguel went into another universe and changed the timeline, and when Miles went and saved the captain's life in Pavitr Prabhakar's universe. They were both people from different timelines. While the spider that bit Miles was an anomaly, we don't see Miles glitch once within his own universe, since all anomalies glitch outside of their universe, wouldn't we see Miles glitch on earth 1610? Meaning him saving his dad on his own (without help from other spider people) would technically have a chance of working.
Saving the captain's life in pavitr's universe however, shouldn't impact the timeline, as the entire catastrophe was caused by the Spot... The entire event appears to be an anomaly. I'd expect both afflicted universes, where miles was intended to either be or not be bitten, to be falling apart honestly. It seems to me like maybe there is more to Miguel's story we are missing.
@@SpeedyBoiOfficial Perhaps. But I don't think "saving" would be an anomoly, as it wasn't intended to happen in the first place. I think just the activities of spot and the destruction would be enough to cause it. The captain was perhaps intended to die, but not in that moment. Letting him die would equally exacerbate the situation, as it occurs preemptively. It just feels like there is more to it. It doesn't seem that much as if saving the captain was the cause, rather than the relationship between the captain and Pavitr blossoming. Perhaps the potential of spider-man laying down their mantle, leaving their respective dimension unguarded? A lack of strife?
Miguel literally is exactly how he described Miles, “No idea what he’s doing”, Miguel believes that he can control an anomaly to commit a canon event but at the same time says “Somebody catch Spot” which is stupid in two senses. The most basic sense is that he thinks any Spider-Man can catch the Spot, when he’s already beaten four of them at the same time without much difficulty BEFORE his transformation, and we see from the Spot future visions, dozens of dead Spider-Man under the Spot. The second one is that by catching Spot, he will literally break the canon event. Spot is doing the canon event, so catching him will by his own theory, destroy everything.
i know people are saying that miles is being selfish and all that but lets rethink it real quick miguel said that if something that was never suppose to happen in a universe it would make it unstable but miles got bitten which by miguel wasn't suppose to happen but nothing bad happened except miles version of peter died and the prowler version of miles his universe didn't get unstable or destroyed which by my opinion, means that miles was by some way meant to be bitten sort of like a paradox explaining why miles and the prowler miles didn't have their universe destroyed as their fates were somehow meant to happen
I watched these on my TV and God the thing I loved the most is not just the music but the sound track like in every action packed scene and how it just flows
I Noticed Something New Right After Miles Says "Goodbye Gwen" 4:50 Gwen had a Slight Smile That Then Turns to Shocked Look ( Or A Upset Look ) Ngl The More I watch this movie the more Little Details I Find
9:04 gwen is right. Spider man and Spider woman are supposed to be the good guys but miguel didn't act like a good guy. Neither did Jess and ben when those three went to miles dimension to hunt him down.
Not really. She's the reason Miles is in this mess. "With great power comes great responsibility" She had the power to jump universes and responsibility to fix anomalies. But she ruined it. She talked to Miles, and opened the floodgates. A spiderbull in a quantum China shop.
@@FierceDeity35I'm not saying she didn't mess up. She realized she was on the wrong side. That this is too far. That this isn't a matter of passively letting an arbitrary canon playing out while looking the other way, which is already questionable. No, they were actively aiding in the murder of a good, innocent man. They're not the good guys anymore. And she's calling all of them, herself included, out.
Part of me really wishes we get moments between Miles and the other spider people. There’s no way only a couple people had empathy for miles and what he wanted. This is the whole problem with organized groups like this. The emotions and morals get forgotten and it’s the collective responsibility and it’s disgusting sometimes.
My only problem with Miguels logic is that since Miles is technically a anomaly he shouldnt have a canon event he would literally be the only spiderman without one how the hell would a canon event so suddenly emerge ? Also since a canon event already happened with his peter nothing would’ve happened to his universe
I really don't like Miguel blaming Miles for becoming the anomaly. It literally happened by accident, but also think Miles is being way too selfish. He's already seen first hand the damage that can be done by interfering in destined events and still wants to try and defy the odds.
Idk man would you really choose not to save your mom or dad from death if you had to chance. The destruction of the universe is not guaranteed as well, like lyla said “that’s what the model says” implying it’s not for certain
1. It’s incredibly clear that Miguel is displacing a lot of his aggression on Miles. He’s not mad at just him being the anamoly but also displacing that it’s in part due to miles dimension proving multiversal travel was real he would’ve never even tried being happy in another world and losing it. The guy clearly is closing himself off and throwing the mission to cover up what he believes was a mistake. 2. Miles literally got told by the scary vampire man who hates him that his father needed to die in 2 days on an algorithm that’s clearly proven to be imperfect due to Gwen’s dad being alive. Plus he wants to do both not just save his dad.
@@dre4534not only that but when Mumbattan is seeming being destroyed and Jess shows up with the scientist spiderman she said there’s times where they can save the world and sometimes they aren’t so lucky. Soooo they just confirmed it is possible for a canon event to be broken and the world will be fine.
Yeah that's what I was thinking too, Miles was just minding his business when the spider bit him. I see what your saying with him being selfish but there's also the emotional/natural side to it because that's his dad, of course he wouldn't want him to die especially if he has the power to potentially stop it.
The interplay of these characters is written so well and believably. Even If you didn't know their backstories their personalities shine through and show a history which each of them act to in a consistent manner. It doesn't feel like someone has a sudden change of heart and they hand wave it away with some unseen aspect of their origin. You always see the undercurrents of the change before it happens.
The thing with the "canon" of something, is that that is not only a straight line, just on miles universe, one choice can open hundreds of possible realities.
Random thought. If Into the Spiderverse wasn't a critical and financial success would the MCU have done No Way Home? So I guess that's another multiverse screw up that happened because Miles got bit.
I never noticed this before, but at the end of the clip, the first time Miguel says "We are" it doesn't sound like him. It sounds more like The Spot, and it doesn't quite look like he's saying it, and he almost looks surprised, before straightening up and turning to the crowd to say it again, more firmly and in his own voice. Maybe I'm super reading into that, idk.
I adore the music in this scene. This chase has gone on for so long, Miles is exhausted. But the BASS. You can still feel his drive, and the high pitched synths when he’s ascending at jet speed
3:09 man. He says hes not a kid but him calling out to peter almost like a cry for help still gets me.
What else are you supposed to do when a 6'9 muscular man has you pinned down on a speeding train, your powers won't work, and the one who taught you everything you know is right there?
@@sonicspeedgamer6336Not to mention, people older than children can ask for help as well. We as a society just consider it weak. Thank goodness we're changing.
What's even more crazy though is that like... Miguel is right. Miles IS a kid. He's 18 at most (odds are 17). But Miguel wants to call him a kid for the purposes of saying "I know best" but TREAT him like an adult and it's part of what makes him so jarring and genuinely scary as a villain. He's frothing at the mouth to seriously harm someone he just called a KID.
@@Alextafur1he’s not a villain and he’s just tryna stop miles
@@Alextafur1he’s 15 in this movie since he was 14 in ITSV.
2:31 I can't believe I just noticed this, when Miguel calls Miles an anomaly, for a split-second when Miles Glitches after he says that, if you pause the frames just right, Miles in the goofy spiderman costume of the first movie appears for a split second while he's glitched. That's so ironic, because it was right then and there where Stan Lee appeared in a cameo where after miles asked him if the costume would fit, he tells him "It always fits, eventually." This is so powerful, it's literally a jab at Miquel that Miles IS a spiderman, he got there through effort and determination, eventually, whether he was an anomaly or not, he MADE it. I LOVE the cinematography in this scene, it is incredible.
Damn I didn’t think about that.
I don't think the animators did either@@CheeseburgerEnjoyer
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I completely agree! Gwen's character development in the Spider-Verse is captivating and adds a new dimension to the story. I'm excited to see how her choices and conflicts unfold in upcoming chapters.
Man the layers of this story are so beautiful, Gwen is staying in the spider society to fight for the cause but REALLY it’s to avoid going home so that she can’t fulfill her own canon event of her police chief dad dying. The hypocrisy of telling miles his dad needs to die for the canon while avoiding her own fate is crazy
Technically she was doing the same thing Miles was told to do. Stay at HQ so that they wouldn't have to see or interfere with the canon event.
@@user-vv5ju3fj1p I’ll have to go back and watch the movie, I’m not sure if the canon events can occur without the spider person being there
she already had her canon event - it was her Peter dying
@@epicmanatee592I mean they planned to keep miles there during the canon event so i assume it happens with or without interference
@@vitae3786 you can have multiple though right?
You have to slow it down a lot but at 2:31 you can see Miles glitch into his costume from the first movie as Miguel is calling him an anomaly
Oh shit you're so right!
Great call
He also glitches into his suit from the end of the first movie, although less noticeable
I already seen that easily.
Bro, your right!
"We are suppused to be the good guys" man that hit hard
when they all disappear because Miles kept breaching the multiverse, and he becomes the last Spider-Man (if a Deux Machina in the script doesn't surprisingly save them all), there will be no "good guys" to blame. And you will return to this video to comment: "He was just a kid who didn't know what he was doing."
Well Miguel is not a good guy
What kind of Spider-Man don’t save people? Miguel is the bad guy
This fr gonna impact the spider society, after Gwen scolded Miguel for going after Miles in my personal theory I think spider society could turn on Miguel
@@DavidBabarroOoooh real edgy there. Be careful there, you might cut your own wrist.
@@DavidBabarro Miles should already be dead, Alt Miles should already be dead, Gwen should already be dead. They're all directly broken canons...Miguel even stated that himself to Miles he alone should be proof the entire theory is wrong. But we have George defying ASM 90 as well just to reinforce this fact breaking canon is fine.
Something else murdered Alt 2099. India was an Anomaly of an Anomaly of an Anomaly known as the Spot causing the Collider to overload creating a Blackhole it had nothing to do with ASM 90 being broken.
The music swelling at 7:40-7:45ish while he puts the mask on realizing his plan worked is amazing. Just exhilarating everytime
Same. One of my favorite scenes in the flick. I'm so overcome with emotion that heart stops every time I see it.
Ikr
u a simp with no standards lmao
I really liked how they also saw her having the chance to stop miles by rebooting the system and stopping the teleporter, but as she looked at miles staring at her, she just let him go. Just shows a lot on growth. Miles being a anamoly was never his fault, he wasnt the one who teleported that spider. However, as seen on these scenes, he has grew into a incredible spiderman, outwitting the entire spider verse.
I love the regretful look on Gwen’s face at 3:42. Really shows her feeling towards lying to Miles, and how much she really cared about him. And then that “Miles!” At 4:54, a combination between sorrow and a sliver of joy.
If she cared, she wouldn't have lied.
@@theoutlawking9123 She thought she was doing the right thing and that she had to lie. She made a mistake, that doesn’t mean she doesn’t care for him.
@@Paerata12 Well, obviously she was wrong, you can't trust people who lie to you, that's just common sense.
@@theoutlawking9123and yet Miles had to lie to his parents about being Spider-Man
@@wasabi_seaweed7317 Seriously not the same thing, his parents weren't trying to kill him.
4:51 I love the contrast between Peter and Gwen here. Gwen in that moment is proud of Miles and for a second forgets that things between them are fractured. But Peter can't show that pride because his focus is on the fact that Miles feels betrayed and there's very little he and Gwen can really do at this point to make that right
"You're the original anomaly! The spider that bit you was never meant to!"
"Well, isn't the spider the original anomaly then?"
Yes just miquel doesn't see that way
I feel like what takes down Miguel’s argument is that every major supervillain he has faced so far has called Miles Spiderman. That might not sound like much but villains, like Doc Ock, continuously referred to Peter B. as just him name, and not Spiderman like she did with Miles. The Spot also only referred to Miles as Spiderman and not the others. He *is* Earth-1610’s Spiderman.
Yes he is, but what I don't get is why is he blaming miles the spot alongside many scientists working for kingpin brought the spider to his universe. Kingpin should be the one to blame
@@themarsman5155they should also blame Steven Strange and Peter of MCU because of the interdimensional stunt they pulled.
@@justincrocker1643 Exactly miles didn't do anything wrong he was just caught in the middle of all of it.
When Miles is draining Miguel’s suit and says “Nah, I’m going to do
My own thing” you see the Prowler Miles in him.
i didn't realize that till you mentioned it i did notice the same face expression that prowler miles and spiderman miles did but never connected the dots
I just realized after watching this if that spider had never bit Miles he would have turned into the Prowler.
@@sw8330GKEEPER Maybe that was the reason the spider bit Miles. It didn't want him to become the Prowler, just like his uncle was.
@@EagleFangBasketball22Had nothing to do with that…it was about to bite the miles from earth 42 but it got switched at the last min to 1610 miles who is currently spiderman
@@mariagrace8520 there was no Peter in earth 42 how are you guys missing that
i love how when it came down to it everyone folded when they saw miles truly just wanted to go home. The only one who was willing to sacrifice Miles's chance at redemption (saving the loved one they all wish they couldve saved)
is Miguel who knows what can happen if he messes it up. (because he did it first)
Ngl seeing miguel as the villain this time is interesting
@@Naybahood60ranger Not as the villain, much more as just an antagonist.
I mean, his entire motivation is to not let Miles risk destroying both his universe, but potentially all others, with no plan or reason other than thinking he can change fate.
Considering he's both a scientist and someone whose heavily implied that there have been multiple universes destroyed in the past due to broken 'Canon' which the Spider-Society failed to save, I couldn't blame Miguel for his unwillingness to risk everything on blind faith.
Obviously we as the audience know that Miles will prove fate isn't decided because that's the best ending for the Trilogy, but to Miguel & the rest of the Spider-Society, the 'Canon' is the equivalent to the Trolley Problem, only with hundreds of trillions of lives at stake against only one - Obviously it's a cruel choice that Miguel has made clear destroys him inside, and Miles *is* justified for being unwilling to accept it, but both sides are completely understandable.
Which I think people overlook a lot. Cause so far Miguel has only recruited people AFTER their canon event. Seeing Miles have a chance at saving the people close to them is part of the Web Warrior code. TRY and save everybody.
@@ValiantStranger12 the one thing that’s been tripping me out about the plot is. If SPOT is an ANOMALY. That means he’s NOT canon right? But Miles’s canon event involves spot killing his father. That means the canon was already altered in some way. That means that it IS POSSIBLE to change the canon without breaking it.
That
Or miles HAS to save his dad to stop spot from destroying the multiverse, because if he does kill his dad, that means that spot, an ANOMALY, will be fully integrated in the spiderverse by killing Miles’s dad.
So in the end miles will have to save his dad in order to save the multiverse (obviously just a wild theory while smoking a blunt)
Or maybe the canon event stuff doesn't work the way Miguel thinks it does. We have at least one case of undeniable proof canon is either flexible or weird: Earth 42. This universe gas no spider man. But that's not the canon breaming part. The Earth 42 spider was supposed to bite 42 Miles as you can see in the Spot's flashback. But it DIDN'T. It got transported to Earth 1610 and bit 1610 Miles. Without the collider, AKA the thing that breaks canon, 42 Miles would be Spider man and maybe 1610 Miles would be the Prowler. But it doesn't play out like that. If Miguel is right about canons, both dimensions should be shattered into pieces because one universe lacks a spider man when it wasn't supposed to and 1610 Miles became a Spider Man when he wasn't originally supposed to be. And yet both universes are still in one piece. So either Miguel is just plain wrong or maybe canon events are a lot more flexible.
@EJSweaty
1:48
A nice detail is that when Miles lands the first kick, Miguel catches it but then Miles quickly realised and uses his other to kick him in the chin.
I used to think that Miguel tanked that kick but Miles followed up!
I actually didn’t realize Miguel caught his first kick
I didn't even notice that! Great catch
By Miguel’s own logic, Miles should be able to save his dad, since he was supposedly never supposed to be Spider-Man in the first place (i.e. not have a canon to follow)
yes and no. but now that he is spiderman. he has to let this happen. as migel said it is part of every spider's story
@@manishrajak-o5msince he is an error, that won't work, Peter from his universe is dead and cannon event there already happened
@@benthasome we don't know everything just yet. it is incomplete, we are all speculating
@@manishrajak-o5m well yeah, I'm just trying to make sense with what we have
@user-rz1cb5pc9b We do though. Canon events can be changed as we see with captain Stacey.
The one Spider-Man that doesn’t joke only jokes when he’s in a dire situation
I’m pretty sure this dude isn’t even a “spider” man
@@DDDTJ he's literally 50% human and 50% Spider. He is a "Spider" man.
Man spider more like
@@DDDTJ he kinda is but Alr
@@DDDTJYou should study Miguel's character better
2:14
Driver: 😳 👈👈👈
Miles: SNITCH!
I didn’t even catch that in the movie theater that’s funny 😂
😂😂😂😂
2:06 is that the spot???
The true villain
@@nicolaridolfi6510 Why? She sees her Spider-Man chasing some unknown person down and wants to help him. For all she knows Miguel is trying to take down a teenaged murderer or something.
This was such a surreal scene of the movie. The look in Miguel’s eyes when he sends Gwen home.
The sclera of his eyes are crimson red. He has literally become the devil
8:41
It's interesting how throughout the whole train fight Miguel doesn't set off Miles's Spider-Sense which shows that he doesn't actually intend to harm Miles, just capture him; until it goes off at the end "Go Home" scene where Miles is in the machine and Miguel bursts through the wall. Miguel was almost feral at the end there.
I went back and re-watched it. You're right, but what may have set him off is the way he was treated, meaning being caged in the bubble peison thing.
@@andykings4723that and also the fact Miguel might’ve killed him at that point
Not gonna lie… I kinda like how menacing Miguel has become
That’s why he’s my favorite spider man even before this movie was ever made he’s just too awesome!!
@@Dabluemoon93he cry baby
Miguel is such a sick villain I love him
@@idontneedaname318he’s not a villain ! He’s the good guy actually the one who cares for the multiverse
@@idontneedaname318 He is not a villain. Miles is
Still kind of upset they took off the "Sorry man, I'm going home."
To add such a small detail about how Miles can still be sympathetic that adds so much depth to his character. Like Miguel has been disrespectful the entire time but Miles understood the risks and told him "I understand, but I'm still doing my own thing. Sorry."
Idk man, the release cut out a lot of important small elements that added a lot to the characters overall and removed it for nothing.
it's in the song at least
I like what you're saying but it didnt fit to have 2 lines there. He probabky could've said it when he teleported to earth 42
@@simon-peterwilliamson2412 I actually like that a lot, but I still think it could fit in either this scene or when he was being teleported away. I just wish they kept it somewhere.
Thank you and I feel like the ending with earth 42 miles putting his fist up to 1610 miles and the music pauses for a sec but they changed it it added more suspense imo
They also cut out Gwens desperate banting when she was digging Miles out of the rubble in Manbattan.
The way miles questions if Miguel is even a spiderman is so good. It’s kind of like a little thing the two have in common. Miles wasn’t supposed to be spiderman, but then you have Miguel who is an awful lot like an artificial spider man, no webs(laser webs instead), no spider sense, no sticking to walls, just claws instead.
Artificial? Bro literally has 50% spider genes
He didn't have a spider-sense in the comics too. What he did have was heightened hearing and seeing which Peter Parker didn't have. He can hear things that are very very far away and see things very very far away. And he did have claws too the comics. He is only able to cling to surfaces with his hand and feet while Peter Parker can cling onto surface with any part of his body.
And like someone said here, he got the powers after accidently splicing himself with spider DNA giving him all this.
Well to be fair, even the main Spider-Man started out with artificial webbing, Miguel is just using laser webs since they must be more practical than artificial webbing (specially on 2099)
You don't read the comics and it shows.
miguel's powers are the result of gene splicing with a spider and spider-man's webs have pretty much always been artificial so laser or not it doesnt matter
3:18 You gotta feel bad for miles bro he’s just trying to fit in and that fact that Miguel just whispered to his ear and said he doesn’t belong just pisses me off and makes me sad.
Same Here 😢
Miles deserved a lot more for disobedience.
In the sort of God mode perspective we have as audiences, and based on Gwen's dad, we know that Miguel isn't completely right about the concept of "breaking canon." However, if you are in Miguel's shoes, if you only knew what he knew, Miles is not only failing to live up to the same sacrifice that all other spider men and women have made, he's literally going to wipe out a whole universe for nothing. His dad won't even get to live after the universe collapses, we saw it with Miguel's daughter.
If I were in Miguel's shoes, I'd have killed Miles straight up.
@@Number1spideyglazer Yup. Because of the universal genocide attached to the simpler "save his dad" thing. You're not going to be one of those people stupid enough to believe that events can be isolated from their broader contexts, right?
@@Number1spideyglazer ...You're really describing the death of literally every life within a universe as "multiverse context thing or whatever"????
lol, honestly, good job for getting this far. Based on the contents of your responses, I wouldn't have expected you to have the intellectual capacity to tie your shoes in the morning, much less type with passable grammar.
@@kaiz1845 wouldn’t Spider-Man have to be present for that?? That could cause a domino affect which destroys the universe anyways
“You’re just kid who has no idea what he’s doing”
99% of Peter Parkers were kids when they were bitten lol
Who’s the 1%?
@@jeremiahscott2032 I think its Ultimate
"We are supposed to be the good guys." Such a well delivered line.
"As the father of a daughter and the son of a mother" 😂
Miguel literally blames Miles for being bitten by a spider that he didn’t notice until it was too late…
miles jumping in the portal was his own decision. he did it because of love. so yeah. its kinda his fault. he didn't know this consequence but...... yeah. the earth 42 spider was the main source
yeah poor Miles… he just wants to be the good guy and save everybody😢
Anomaly or not, Miles is not the cause of the Multiverse crisis. Plus, a Spiderman doesn’t operate by the rules.
@@Shatter149 The fault is on the Kingpin and Spot. Not Miles. Jeez you’re just like the rest of the messed up Spidey Society.
@@a.jthomas6132 no. you're a moron. even if miles didn't know, he made things worse. it doesn't matter who started it to begin with. spot, the spider, kingpin. whatever. get the hint. unlike you, you're not even belong to the spider society
0:15 Miles’ drop of Faith.
Clever😂. In the first it was a leap, then a drop, and finally a change
7:26-7.37 shit this exchange is crazyyy. The details in their expressions and the emotions conveyed... Beautiful
No words, just subtle facial expressions between two black people
"We are supposed to be the good guys" amazing line
And she's right. Miguel O'hara and the rest of variants of Spider-Man and Spider-Woman are supposed to be the good guys. Well it turns out, they're not good guys.
Miguel is not a bad guy too, me?
@@Peacemaker2024-A9T Miguel O'hara is not a good guy either.
Everything Miguel has been doing, he has been doing for the greater good of the Multiverse, it not like he's is being selfish, the only spider man I see being selfish is Miles.
@@Peacemaker2024-A9T How is Miles being a selfish?
9:13 here you can see the Earth-928 animation style, how there's still guidelines on Miguel's figure because Nueva York is still trying to catch up with it's ideal for the future.
2:15 this is peak comedy on ATSV
1:55 not me thinking he was bouta throw a snowball at him 💀
“ Miles, you need to let your stockings be filled with coal. It’s a canon event. “
LMAO
2:50 7 year old me after telling my mom about my future dream job
😂
That line probably could’ve used another take
Miguel comes off as incredibly violent, almost animalistic. But behind it you sense the sheer desperation that’s driving him. He barges through doors and walls. He launches himself into the air after Miles even though his suit is malfunctioning. He manages to tear a hole in the usually indestructible go-home machine. He’s fighting tooth and nail to safeguard the canon as he sees it, because he truly believes it’s a question of life and death.
Calling it right now, Miguel ends up finding The Spot at one point, but the Spot somehow gets it out of Miguel that the death of Miles’ dad is the “only” way to keep the multiverse in tact, so Spot makes a deal with him: if Miguel LETS him kill Miles’ dad, he’ll turn himself in and not cause any more trouble. And somehow, one of the other Spiders (like Jessica Drew or Ben Reilly) overhears them, has a change of heart, turns on Miguel (citing that a REAL Spider-Man would never let a villain kill someone) and joins Gwen and Peter B’s team in finding Miles and helping him save his father from being killed.
I'm commenting here so i can see if you were right or not and congratulate you
@@simon-peterwilliamson2412@ me when it comes out 😭
@@simon-peterwilliamson2412cant wait as well
This is an interesting hypothesis. Commenting for updates
Interesting.
7:12 that moment, with that score, isn't talked about enough. Miguel with the brutal force looking like wants rip apart Miles, and Miles face of scared, bruh
I’m really impressed that miles lead him and the spider people away
Miguel genuinely made my blood boil in this scene, calling a 15 year old kid a mistake because of an anomaly he couldn’t control and didn’t ask for is actually insane??? It’s not Miles’s fault that spider bit him, he didn’t plan on the spider biting him, and didn’t even know there was another universe at the time. But I will say, Miguel is written amazingly.
..ᵗʳᵘᵉ.
Agreed! It was spots and king pins fault not miles
The fault is in the Spit and the Kingpin, not Miles.
6:54 "DAMN! What does it look like I'm tryna do" 😂
Is that what she says???😂😂😂😂😂
Wait wtf 😂😂😂
Nice little detail here at 6:47. Miles's spider sense goes off before Miguel comes in the room, I dont think that happens with the other spider people (yes it does go off before some attacks, but never well before theyre in the room), Miguel is literally a threat here, honestly think he was going to stop Miles by any means here
"Maybe you weren't hard enough on him ." -Gwen who saw him get choke slammed against a space train.
@@Elmazx7 Sarcasm actually.
@@micahwatson7652🤓
“The f*ck you want me to do, kill him?”
U clearly don't know what sarcasm is
That was sarcasm
8:11 i like how Ben Reilly is like “I don’t give a shit, look at my biceps”
I’m more mad at Peter than I am at Gwen because with Gwen, yeah she may have lied and tried to justify it, but she’s a kid and still needs a lot to learn and makes up for it. With Peter, although I love his philosophy of blessings can come with hardships, he felt TOO calm about Miles dad dying when he knows this isn’t right.
I think miles never broke the canon. The only person who had a full canon melt down is miguel. He might be the one that doesn't belong.
I actually heard a theory that Miguel was projecting onto Miles, since Miguel isn't like the others
Miles mentioning Miguel’s claws is a clue that Miguel is probably the first anomaly, we’ll see how it pans out but Miguel is shady for sure
@@thatopitsoane6213 actually it makes sense, but I feel it had more to do with the alchemax drugs. Especially cuz he wasn’t that big in the first movie
@@jeremiahscott2032 But Spider-Man 2099 did have claws/talons in the comics too as well...
@@jeremiahscott2032 It's kinda like what i think happen with William Afton from FNAF that led him to do his murders: After what happen in The Bite Of 83, with the Death of Crying Child, along with The Circus Baby's Pizza World Incident, with the Death of Elizabeth (Baby's Soul), plus the apparent Death of his Wife. It made William fell into a MASSIVE Depression, which made him (along with the EXCESSIVE Drug Drinking) lose his Sanity, & led him think that Henry (his Former Friend & Co-Owner of Fredbear's Family Dinner), to modify The Animatronics, so they could kill Crying Child, which eventually led him to kill Charlie (Henry's Daughter & the soul of Puppet) & The 5 Missing Children, leading to the Events of The First 6 Games... Now think about The Similarities between Miguel & William's Case.
Y’all commenting about miles calling out Peter for help and Gwen with her regretful face
But this…. 1:35 may be the strongest line in the whole movie
Bro the way he just yeet SM 2099 and the pure DISBELIEF on 2099's face because he just truly did not believe MM to be this much of a problem. They all just saw him as "some kid." Miles woke them tf up.
2:55 That choke slam felt racially motivated
That move was so satisfying
“ NO, you’re lying! I’m Spider Man! “
“ You’re a mistake! “
that was crazy 😭
@@fathimathnabeela6247 but racist
So only white spider men can get hit or choked out huh? Yeah, that's pretty much current day reasoning. 😂😂 You know the one who died and got his everything smashed saving him was a white guy right??
Latino man slams a Black teen 😭
I don’t think that was the director’s intention but I def can see that happening…the only other characters to help out Miles without crossing him in the Spider Society were Spider Byte and Spider Punk, two Black characters🤔
This is one of the greatest scenes ever ! I loved it in the movie. Masterpiece.
Oscar Isaac nails Miguel's voice
Oscar has been Moon Knight and Miguel now. Wonder who his next marvel role will be
He slayed it in this movie. If Nicholas Cage was the best part of Into the Spider-Verse then Oscar Isaac was the best of Across the Spider-Verse
4:18 "The perfect scene doesnt exi-"
Is it just me or is miles electicity somehow lagging the animation here?
something that never made sense to me about miguel's logic is that if miles never got bit then Miles' spiderman wouldn't be dead. Whilst it is kind of true it's not necessarily mile's fault. If you think about it, up until the spider bit him he was simply doing regular things that he would have done even if the spider wasn't there. How can he be an anomaly if he was doing what he would normally be doing and the scientists fisk hired were the ones that brought the spider? I'm not fully sure, I hope they bring in the web of destiny or madam web. I think that would be really cool
The day after Miles was bitten, he went back to where the spider bite him to investigate, unknowingly walking into the Collider's room. This causes, in Miguel's eyes, the events that lead to 1016's Peter death.
In the Movie, Spiderman wastes arround 2 minutes saving Miles from falling and then chatting with him for a bit. When he’s done and goes up to blow the collider, Prowler arrived and tackles Spiderman. Those 2 minutes made the difference
@@felipemontero1087 I get that getting bit by the spider caused his spiderman's death. Its just everything Miles did up until that point was what he would normally be doing. Mile's spiderman hadn't gone to shut off the collider before the spider was brought through. It's not like anything could be done about that. Especially since every Spiderman universe has a collider. The one in Miles' world just actually brought stuff into it. Everything was progressing normally
him blaming Miles for everything is so unreasonable
This is something I’ve been thinking about too. The whole thing with spiderman and the spiderverse is that anyone can be spiderman. It’s just about being at the right place and right time to ge bitten by the spider.
Miles had absolutely nothing to do with spider 42 being brought to his dimension. Kingpin’s collider exploding also wasn’t miles fault and miles actively fought to help fix it.
Miguel saying miles wasn’t meant to be bit by the spider doesn’t make any sense.
By that logic you can argue that none of them were meant to be spiderman.
8:23 miguel eyes are red again
Miguel and the spot blame Miles for things that he did not do, he did not ask to be bitten and he did not directly cause the reactor explosion, they are only looking for someone who cannot defend himself against the accusations.
miles made things worse when he jumped in the portal.
@@Shatter149if he never jump in to the portal then he will never know that he’s father is gonna dying
Something that I don't understand is that if Miles is an anamoly then why are canon events locked to him? If he's "not suppose to be Spiderman" then why are Spiderman rules locked to him? If snything it might be a good thing he's an anamoly and saving people cuz then the canon event would have stopped "by accident". Perhaps thats what they will learn in the next movie
When you say "locked" do you mean the rules don't apply to him?
Because, unless specific to a timeline, there is only one Spiderman on each universe. Miles getting bitten by a spider that was not from that universe, when such event had already happened with Peter, was the first anomaly. This ended up "correcting" itself with Peter's death. The anomaly still exists as long as Milles is alive, but dormant. Like those nuclear bombs that were lost in the ocean and are still to be found.
Milles sole existence is that bomb. And him following the canon is the only thing that stops the bomb from going off. That's why his dad's death is necessary. It's a canon event.
Killing Milles will just leave that world without Spiderman, same thing if he stops being Spiderman, causing the "bomb" to go off. a cascade of events that should not happen will happen, and viceversa.
@@fbi-sama9052 But in the universe where Miles is now, there are no spider-men? Why does the universe still exist?
@@fanboygg4753 Ah, because there is one. Miles.
You see, Miles is that universe's Spiderman.
Same way Gwen and other Spiderman can be part of Miguel's super patrol
@@fbi-sama9052You mean, the prowler Miles is spider-man or "our" Miles is serving double time in both universes?
Bro lost to a 15 year old XDDD
Voldemort lost to a baby
A 15 year old who beat a roided out Kingpin... who can also manipulate electricity.... and who saved the multiverse...
It's funny, but it's not like Miguel is fighting Eric Foreman here lol Miles is a G, fr
XDDDDDD
Man fights Teenager with sword, Teenager uses Tazer
Are. U dumb hes 16 not 15 go google or research
The more I hear Oscar Isaac’s performance,the more they show how they wasted him in Star Wars
For real I enjoy his character poe in the sequels
Did ya'll see Moon Knight? He was incredible.
duh u just found this out now??
I like how the trans-dimensional machine is a spider that weaves dimensions
In comics it’s a person. The weaver and madam web. Also portal machines and spider with portal powers (spider UK, cosmic, etc)
2:15 i love how miles said ,,snitch" lol
NO CAP I watch this movie once a week. It will never get old and I will never get over it for as long as I live. I love little Miles Morales so much...I wish I could just pull him off the screen and put him in my purse.
What 😭
Slavery was banned in America in 1865
Lmao my comment was deleted (it was about certain 1800s activites)
Bro what 💀
I love how when Miguel falls spectacular Spider-Man is seen holding spidercat
Joshua Keaton voice act 😂
There are so many little incredible moments that I love in this sequence. For example, in the beginning of the train sequence Miguel rips off Mile’s band, making him begin to glitch out and putting additional pressure on him.
Another example, at 1:12 we hear “departing for the moon” as the train speeds up. Prior to that moment, Miles was able to use his webs to climb outside the train, but after it speeds up, he can’t. It’s also the same reason Miguel can use his laser “webs”: they’re not physical projectiles , but more like beams of energy. And since Miguel doesn’t have the “stickiness” of other spider people since he was never bit, he has to use his claws to climb on the train.
At 1:35 we see that Miles can’t use his webs outside the train to climb upwards because the high speed blows them back down. So, he then decides to fight Miguel. And that part at 1:40 is a sort of “leap of faith” moment, mirroring the jump in the 1st spider verse movie.
At 2:31, Miles glitching turns him into his homemade Spider-suit version, showing how afraid and inexperienced he feels.
It’s also so interesting to see how the background changes in the fight. Near the beginning it’s obviously near earth, but towards the end you can see satellites in the background.
Later, when Miles is trying to fight off Miguel after being slammed into the train, we see him keep trying to touch Miguel’s suit but Miguel keeps slamming him back down to stop Miles from charging up. So, Miles distracts him by revealing his plan, and then uses his PALMS on Miguel’s shoulders, instead of just fingers or just charging from Miguel’s arms (which still give Miguel a bit more time to react). This allows him to disable Miguel’s suit because his suit uses electricity. Otherwise, Mile’s powers wouldn’t have been nearly as effective. It’s absolutely incredible details like this that elevate the fight SO much.
2:31 when miles glitches you can see the 1st spiderman merch he wore in the 1st movie
Nice catch.
There is really only one requirement to be Spider-Man you save people unconditionally. Miguel forgot the rule.
Forgot the tule to save the multiverse and even more people * he’s right , Miles is the wrong and delusional one
"You can't think about saving the world. You have to think about saving one person"@@Sae23b1
@@Sae23b1 No he's not? We saw that his logic was flawed with Captain Stacy. Miguel is hell bent on letting a man die due to a flawed theory.
Damn, Oscar Isaac is a really good voice actor 👏
The real predicament I'm in when watching this movie was logic. Miles going to save his Dad wouldn't disrupt the multiverse.
Here me out, the two times we see an anomaly occur was when Miguel went into another universe and changed the timeline, and when Miles went and saved the captain's life in Pavitr Prabhakar's universe.
They were both people from different timelines.
While the spider that bit Miles was an anomaly, we don't see Miles glitch once within his own universe, since all anomalies glitch outside of their universe, wouldn't we see Miles glitch on earth 1610? Meaning him saving his dad on his own (without help from other spider people) would technically have a chance of working.
Saving the captain's life in pavitr's universe however, shouldn't impact the timeline, as the entire catastrophe was caused by the Spot...
The entire event appears to be an anomaly.
I'd expect both afflicted universes, where miles was intended to either be or not be bitten, to be falling apart honestly.
It seems to me like maybe there is more to Miguel's story we are missing.
@@SpeedyBoiOfficial That doesn't make sense, as Miguel clearly states *the Spot is an anomaly* .
His reasoning remains flawed.
@@SpeedyBoiOfficial Perhaps.
But I don't think "saving" would be an anomoly, as it wasn't intended to happen in the first place. I think just the activities of spot and the destruction would be enough to cause it. The captain was perhaps intended to die, but not in that moment. Letting him die would equally exacerbate the situation, as it occurs preemptively.
It just feels like there is more to it. It doesn't seem that much as if saving the captain was the cause, rather than the relationship between the captain and Pavitr blossoming.
Perhaps the potential of spider-man laying down their mantle, leaving their respective dimension unguarded? A lack of strife?
Miguel literally is exactly how he described Miles, “No idea what he’s doing”, Miguel believes that he can control an anomaly to commit a canon event but at the same time says “Somebody catch Spot” which is stupid in two senses.
The most basic sense is that he thinks any Spider-Man can catch the Spot, when he’s already beaten four of them at the same time without much difficulty BEFORE his transformation, and we see from the Spot future visions, dozens of dead Spider-Man under the Spot.
The second one is that by catching Spot, he will literally break the canon event. Spot is doing the canon event, so catching him will by his own theory, destroy everything.
The anomaly when saving the captain's life in Pavitr Prabhakar's universe was from the colider not from the saving.
0:40 bro I’m worried for the baby in there
i know people are saying that miles is being selfish and all that but lets rethink it real quick miguel said that if something that was never suppose to happen in a universe it would make it unstable but miles got bitten which by miguel wasn't suppose to happen but nothing bad happened except miles version of peter died and the prowler version of miles his universe didn't get unstable or destroyed which by my opinion, means that miles was by some way meant to be bitten sort of like a paradox explaining why miles and the prowler miles didn't have their universe destroyed as their fates were somehow meant to happen
I watched these on my TV and God the thing I loved the most is not just the music but the sound track like in every action packed scene and how it just flows
I Noticed Something New
Right After Miles Says "Goodbye Gwen"
4:50
Gwen had a Slight Smile That Then Turns to Shocked Look ( Or A Upset Look )
Ngl The More I watch this movie the more Little Details I Find
9:04 gwen is right. Spider man and Spider woman are supposed to be the good guys but miguel didn't act like a good guy. Neither did Jess and ben when those three went to miles dimension to hunt him down.
I love the music after that
4:28 nah I'd win
this movie was awesome. I watched it this month
i am ready for the sequel...bring it ON!!!!
man i love Miles as spiderman - he is so brave nice and humble at the same time
Love this movie
“Everyone keeps telling me how my story is supposed to go!”
“Nah, imma do my own thing.”
THAT LINE GOES HARD
Would been cool if miles gave Miguel the shocker punch like his video game counterpart did .
I like how after Miguel calls Miles the original anomaly, you can see Mile's old suit in his glitch.
2:45 Earth 42
They nerfed tf out of spiderman 2099 so he wouldnt drag Morales across the spideyverse 😂
"We are supposed to be the good guys" is such a scathing line from Gwen
No, it’s not.
Not really.
She's the reason Miles is in this mess.
"With great power comes great responsibility"
She had the power to jump universes and responsibility to fix anomalies.
But she ruined it.
She talked to Miles, and opened the floodgates.
A spiderbull in a quantum China shop.
@@FierceDeity35I'm not saying she didn't mess up. She realized she was on the wrong side. That this is too far. That this isn't a matter of passively letting an arbitrary canon playing out while looking the other way, which is already questionable. No, they were actively aiding in the murder of a good, innocent man. They're not the good guys anymore. And she's calling all of them, herself included, out.
Part of me really wishes we get moments between Miles and the other spider people. There’s no way only a couple people had empathy for miles and what he wanted. This is the whole problem with organized groups like this. The emotions and morals get forgotten and it’s the collective responsibility and it’s disgusting sometimes.
Miles always speaks his truth thats what I respect about him
1:45 he shoulda said "I was bitten by a interdimensional spider" would been more iconic
He didn't know it was an interdimensional spider until Miguel mentioned it. So... P.S- no hate here 🤙🏾
Sure, but it woulda been more iconic anyway.
He'll probably say it in the 3rd movie
My only problem with Miguels logic is that since Miles is technically a anomaly he shouldnt have a canon event he would literally be the only spiderman without one how the hell would a canon event so suddenly emerge ? Also since a canon event already happened with his peter nothing would’ve happened to his universe
He’s an anomaly who created an anomaly which is the spot, therefore creating a way for there to be a canon event
@@shadowblox8116 ya, what you said
@@shadowblox8116 Spot created him. Miles created the Spot.
I really don't like Miguel blaming Miles for becoming the anomaly. It literally happened by accident, but also think Miles is being way too selfish. He's already seen first hand the damage that can be done by interfering in destined events and still wants to try and defy the odds.
Idk man would you really choose not to save your mom or dad from death if you had to chance. The destruction of the universe is not guaranteed as well, like lyla said “that’s what the model says” implying it’s not for certain
1. It’s incredibly clear that Miguel is displacing a lot of his aggression on Miles. He’s not mad at just him being the anamoly but also displacing that it’s in part due to miles dimension proving multiversal travel was real he would’ve never even tried being happy in another world and losing it. The guy clearly is closing himself off and throwing the mission to cover up what he believes was a mistake.
2. Miles literally got told by the scary vampire man who hates him that his father needed to die in 2 days on an algorithm that’s clearly proven to be imperfect due to Gwen’s dad being alive. Plus he wants to do both not just save his dad.
@@dre4534not only that but when Mumbattan is seeming being destroyed and Jess shows up with the scientist spiderman she said there’s times where they can save the world and sometimes they aren’t so lucky. Soooo they just confirmed it is possible for a canon event to be broken and the world will be fine.
@@foxbear1749 exactly 💯
Yeah that's what I was thinking too, Miles was just minding his business when the spider bit him. I see what your saying with him being selfish but there's also the emotional/natural side to it because that's his dad, of course he wouldn't want him to die especially if he has the power to potentially stop it.
Gwen was right he is like the blue panther and crawls like prowler . 1:31
Spider-prowler lol. No but actual spiders have claws they use to climb walls too
Calling it now: Alt Miles & Miguel are gonna brawl in ATSV, and their fight will be *_LEGENDARY!_*
7:32 the very subtle headshake from miles and nod from the spider girl
Miles Morales he the best Sportsman in this generation 🔥
2:17 call me rolling down the stairs
Wow the thumbnail really shows how beat up Miles got.
The interplay of these characters is written so well and believably. Even If you didn't know their backstories their personalities shine through and show a history which each of them act to in a consistent manner. It doesn't feel like someone has a sudden change of heart and they hand wave it away with some unseen aspect of their origin. You always see the undercurrents of the change before it happens.
The thing with the "canon" of something, is that that is not only a straight line, just on miles universe, one choice can open hundreds of possible realities.
Exactly
At 7:40 if I was Miles I would've said "I'll tell my dad you said hi"
this is awesome Spider-Man 2099 is actually a badass in the movie
Nope, He better action than Monkey spider
Wasn’t really a “fight” but spectacular scene and spectacular movie.
2:54 that chokeslam was personal
Random thought. If Into the Spiderverse wasn't a critical and financial success would the MCU have done No Way Home? So I guess that's another multiverse screw up that happened because Miles got bit.
I never noticed this before, but at the end of the clip, the first time Miguel says "We are" it doesn't sound like him. It sounds more like The Spot, and it doesn't quite look like he's saying it, and he almost looks surprised, before straightening up and turning to the crowd to say it again, more firmly and in his own voice. Maybe I'm super reading into that, idk.
4:47 BWAAA MILES LOOKS SO DETERMINED YET HEART BROOOKEEEN
If you play this quick really slow, you can actually see miles with a Spider-Man costume that he bought from the store
Timestamp?
@@jungie7631 2:31 as per another comment
I adore the music in this scene. This chase has gone on for so long, Miles is exhausted. But the BASS. You can still feel his drive, and the high pitched synths when he’s ascending at jet speed