Love how Miguel is simultaneously internally enraged and also being INCREDIBLY patient with Mayday crawling over him and even catches her instinctively (like he’s been through it before)😂😂😂
@@sergeantsainsburys9181 which is why he believe he's the good guy. Also, noticed he stop miles with such effort to save other universes especially knowing he could not saved his own. Miguel is a tragic character, as normal person and as spirder-man. I understand his motives.
I think part of it has to do with Peter being the closest thing he has to a friend. He was there trying to help Miguel save his family's reality so I'm sure Miguel tolerates him out of respect if nothing else.
Comic fact: in the comics, like many differences in power Miguel has enhanced sight that makes him sensitive to light and because of that he wears sunglasses . Which is why his lab is dark in the movie and why he always has his mask when he in bright areas, like throughout miles chase scene.
Considering Peter immediately knew she needed changed right after Miguel handed her to him, it means she shit herself while crawling over Miguel. You know, the guy that's practically a dictator who doesn't allow dissent in his society? So yes, she literally took a crap on the establishment.
@@nightmarefanatic1819he isn't a dictator he just wants to keep the multiverse from collapsing As far as he knows disrupting canon events could cause the destruction of the multiverse Aka countless worlds
@@G.slayer His motives don't matter when he refuses to listen to anyone who questions his theories (Miles) and banishes people who dare insinuate he might be at fault for things going wrong (Gwen.)
3:13 "Don't be afraid of my friend Miguel, he just looks scary. He's got no bite." I haven't seen anyone pick up on the double meaning with this. Peter is trying to reassure Miles that Miguel is harmless. But it's also true that Miguel wasn't bitten by a spider like most Spider-People. He has no bite.
I love how completely opposite Hobbie and Miguel are in this movie. Being a rebel, Hobbie is all about defying the status quo and going against order. While Miguel, due to watching an entire universe collapse, has held on to the concept of total control so much that he’s closed off from others opinions.
Also, Hobie wants people to share his viewpoint but he does not try to force it on them. He tries to warn Miles to think critically but never tells him "Don't join Miguel, he's bad news." He also is understanding of Gwen's position and instead of trying to drag her out of it, he stands by her and supports her until she's able to finally defy Miguel herself, which he obviously had faith she would eventually do. Contrast to Miguel's rigid demands for obedience and the way he sends her back to her home dimension knowing what's in store for her there because she was too defiant. Hobie and Miguel aren't just "Rebel vs Authoritarian" they're also complete opposites in how they think you should go about influencing people, with Gwen being the example of the people.
Also like how Hobie looks at us as he’s gathering stuff and before he talks to miles. You have to stop at the frame before he spins behind miles, he’s staring straight at the camera
Hobie saying " you are not ready for everybody else"just after side eyeing Gwen also meant he knew that Miles was unaware of the true ideas behind the spider clubhouse and even the fact that Gwen was down bad for Miles but tried to suppress her feelings and focus on the goals in hand. So Hobie felt that at this moment Miles first priority was to have a real talk with his parents to avoid any further misunderstandings. To get them the fact how lonely he felt and needed only their love and support while balancing the teenage struggle,missing someone,academic pressure as well as the role of a friendly neighbourhood spiderman.
For over a year she couldn't think straight and the way she looked at the polaroid picture was not like missing a mere friend instead someone who is very close to her heart. She always got lost in his thoughts.And when she got the chance she immediately visited him and first thing she did was hugging him tightly and then acting awkwardly around him.
@@usmaniftekhar7121 yes Hobie knew Miles was the person from 1610 about whom Gwen never stopped talking cause she was crushing pretty hard and by the end of ATSV she had completely fallen for Miles. Even the watch he made was already tuned to 1610 so that Gwen could fix her relationship with Miles and tell everything to him which she couldn't before as Miguel was spying them.
That’s what I been thinking about Gwen. As much as she miss Miles, she been at this club far too long. She lost her consciousness and went along for the ride all because she couldn’t return to her own dimension. But in order to stay, she had to follow his rules.
@@benwasserman8223 Straight man surrounded by the red and blue onesie clownshow. Makes the goofballs that much funnier if there's a comparative "normie" there losing their patience with it.
0:32: Was Hobbie randomly stealing components like that, passing it off as random acts of anarchy, so he could assemble his own dimensional portal device later, as a backup for if/when he quit Miguel's team?
Hobie Brown in the mainline universe became Prowler. He was a tech genius like Peter. It looks like Spider-Punk has the traditional science-acumen Spider-Man's are known for.
Another reason I love Miguel? How he is portrayed is exactly how Cyclops from the X-men is. People are always misrepresent Cyclops. Cyclops had no sense of humor and doesn’t have time to make jokes because he knows that he must be the one to lead his gang of mutants because one bad choice can result in the extermination of his mutant race. The responsibility of such a leadership role and as well as his responsibility to keep his powers in check at all times; such things can way in him. The way how Miguel is written here is the closet thing to accurate representation of my favorite mutant, Cyclops. Miguel may not be Cyclops but I can just appreciate what I can; this is closest to cyclops I have seen by far. I’m tired of people milking Wolverine to no end.
Yup “the hardest choices require the strongest wills.” Just like how Leonardo from TMNT is often portrayed as a hardass, not because he wants to be, but because he has to lead his brothers.
@@kb6900 that I am working on but it involves a mutant, a mutant that I made up; a mutant that has the power to absorb the mutant powers of others and transfer those powers into another person either animal, mutant, even human. Cyclops makes the discovery of this mutant being kept at shield and is furious that Captain America kept such a mutant a secret from him; thinking that having a mutant like that by the X-men side would work wonders and could help mutant kind. Captain America agrees with that but as we all know, Cap always chooses the moral choice while cyclops chooses the mutant choice. Captain America wants this mutant to work with shield to be able to help out everyone because if there is someone with powers they must defeat, this transfer power mutant is the best alley they can have in their team.
I do love Miguel. He’s meant to be an antagonist yet his motivations make sense. None of us know if he can be proven wrong. Miles doesn’t know. Miguel doesn’t know. But we know Miguel isn’t pure evil. He’s a broken man long past his breaking point who’s terrified and paralyzed by the magnitude of his assumed responsibility. Will he be able to see reason? Can he even be proven wrong? Only time will tell.
I don't think he'll see his dimension collapse but if he breaks canon, but the story would be boring if he manages to walk away unscathed. I expect him to lose someone in the next movie if he saves his father. Might be Miguel sacrificing himself. Might be his father dying anyway saving Miles from an attacker. Might be Gwen following the other Gwens that got too close to Spider man.
@@BabushkaKoiMiguel is more of a duty-bound extremist who tries to maintain order, in this case, the stability of the multiverse. He broke the canon in one universe and doesn't want history to repeat itself. That is all.
Watching this makes me wonder if the alternate Miguel’s death was a canon event for his daughter. What if she was supposed to be the spider woman of that dimension after her father’s death? Don’t know how she would have gotten the spider abilities but it might be possible.
It must've been something like that. If Miguel wouldve just slipped into the role of a (for the canon-multiverse irrelevant) normal guy, a canon event would not have been interrupted (since there was none to begin with). Hence, the Miguel that died must've been somewhat connected to a Spiderman story. An entire universe can only begin to glitch or get destroyed by the presence of strong anomalies (e.g. the renessaince vulture; all spidermans in movie 1) or someone like Spot (though rules in that regard are still not 100% clear because there's not that much to go off of).
Miguel really proving Hobie's "If you call yourself a hero, that makes you a self-mythologizing, Narcissistic autocrat" quip from his intro. Miles literally says out loud that it was The Spot that caused the big black anomaly in Parvitr's universe, not a Canon Event disruption, and he just gets bowled over and ignored because The Canon is more important than facts. The Mythology is more important. Miguel is so convinced that everything revolves around Spider-man, all because he saw one universe collapse - one he was living in. One he was _not supposed to be living in._ Yeah, he probably _did_ cause that universe to collapse. But not because he's Spiderman, or because of "canon". He caused it because he wasn't from that Universe.
Narcissism is when you take responsibility for your actions and demand that for others because that's not what Spiderman is literally about or anything
@@theysellsoulscheaphere8501 He's so obsessed with the idea of Spider-man that he thinks the universe literally revolves around him. Assuming that it was Spider-Man Canon being disrupted that broke a universe instead of _literally anything else, like him invading to take his dead self's place_ is the height of arrogance and narcissism.
@@Codyslx His whole "Spider Canon" bit preaches that Spider Man is so integral to the existence of the universe that disrupting any of the "Canon events" will break the universe. And yet, it happens MULTIPLE times without consequence. Hell, it can be argued that Miguel himself doesn't even fit the Spider Bite Canon Event; he wasn't bitten, he was spliced with Spider DNA in a genetic experiment that got sabotaged. But Miles himself is central to multiple Canon events being broken, and not one of those universes is collapsing; the closest we get is Spot's stuff messing up one building and everyone overreacts and outright ignores Miles pointing out that it was The Spot, not "canon being broken". Hell, what about Universe 42? Sure, the place is in a worse state for not having a Spider Man, _but the universe still exists._ Literally EVERY SINGLE CANON EVENT was completely averted due to the spider being absent. Universe is fine. The entire Canon Event system is bullshit born of Narcissistic self-importance. The one universe that is broken, is one that is _invaded by someone from another universe._ That's not about Canon being broken, it's an incursion, the same sort of thing that gets talked about in Multiverse of Madness.
@Blazieth He didn't preach about spiderman being integral to the universe.. He simply claimed that breaking enough cannon at some point would put all lives in the multiverse at risk. Hence why he told miles to sacrifice one to save all. Nothing he says is in any definition of the work narcissistic. He destroyed an entire universe simply by just existing. He came to the conclusion with the help of his model that if you do it enough, it would deconstruct the multiverse. Going out an busting his ass to weave in anomalies that came as the result of the alchemax is not something a narcissistic person would do. Pretty selfless to clean up after others if you ask me.
@rafaelarcas942 like an Ultimatum. Like Green Goblin making Spidey Choose Save Gwen or Save Captain Stacy. As ya should know Spidey has Sacrifices that make him who he is.
@@WindyREDPanda Yes, that movie really show that tragic aspect of it but also at the end that some universe such SpiderGwen's world don't always follow the same rules of the "canon".
People have mentioned groupthink, but I think part of the reason so many Spider-People are on board with Miguel's plan is that it helps them assuage the guilt that they all feel. Miguel's explanation for "canon" events implies that there was nothing any of them could have done to save their loved ones, so they don't have to wonder if they could have acted differently or been better. It's one of the many ways Miguel has misunderstood the idea of canon events: Spider-Man needs to fail, but only because he is *supposed* to carry the guilt of failing, because it always pushes him to try harder and look for a solution even under impossible odds. If any death could potentially be explained away as a canon event, then Spider-Man never has to question his own decisions. When you get a Spider-Man who is convinced he is always doing the right thing, simply because it's him that's doing it, you get Miguel O'Hara.
@@G.slayer Spiderman is notorious for taking the responsibility of everyone else *except* himself on his shoulders. He sees himself as a tool for the good of humanity and nothing else.
Except this can get contradicted in the Spiderman TAS. There's a version of Peter Parker where he never loses Uncle Ben, and by proxy, becomes reckless, privileged, and a terrible leader. If Uncle Ben's death is a canon event, why is there one timeline where he survives? Granted, people are speculating that Miguel explaining the canon events is his PTSD convincing him that these recurring events must be absolute.
When Miles asks Peter "did that happen to you?" It breaks me down everytime lol Just miles expressing empathy to peter and the fact that peter always kept that to himself just makes me a wreck for some reason
@@Trillelieldelajersey What I'm trying to say is he did it with limited resources. Of course he is a genius. What if Hobie is also a genius. We don't know his story entirely. So don't underestimate him.
@@Trillelieldelajersey Erm... And Spiderman Isn't a genius? Every Spiderman is a genius who is canonically in a similar mental playing field as Tony for the most part, and Hobie is a Spiderman. More or less the same odds of genius as any Tony Stark variant because "Genius" is a trait part of the character of Spiderman.
Still remember the chills i had in the theatre during 6:00-6:53. It was so well done, fan service that never distracts from the story being told. Also the music is 10/10
If anyone doesn't know the name of alternate Miguel's daughter, it's Gabriella O'Hara. If you pause at 0:54 and 8:07, you can see the name of the file video and it's titled "Gabriella 015".
I just realized that Hobie was probably stealing those random parts around the place because he already knew miles/gwen would need their own watch and was preparing.
Which is fair considering he's a rigid, authoritarian figure and Hobie is an anarchist who's constantly making remarks about what a rebel he is. Too bad for Miguel he didn't take any of what he said seriously.
In my opinion,there were 5 minutes of Miguel being a chill mentor to Miles from 4:30 to the next scene:”Being Spider-Man is a sacrifice. That’s the job. That’s what you signed up for.”
I can never hate Miguel because I understand where he is coming from. As much as I want to change something, there are times I don’t want to change it and remain miserable because without that pain, I don’t have the motivation to make things right. I allow myself to feel this pain to do the right thing. I am planning to get one day get a tattoo to remind myself of my wrong (and I hate tattoos btw) because I won’t be young forever and I don’t want age to diminish the memory of this pain from my mind. Why? Because a wise man once said “Never forget those you have wronged because I can assure you they will not forget you “ I did something back in 2000 that I can’t get over; I was 5. I refuse to heal from or forget.
I get you man. In January of this year I was in a car accident because of some other person who caused it, but I beat myself over it everyday. Thinking what I could’ve done differently, and it’s a pain that never leaves me, it’s always in the back of my mind haunting me everyday.
Well I *can* hate Miguel. Not just cause of the whole "canon event" stuff, but because he's blaming Miles like he purposely caused everything that's happened. Miles didn't know about the spider, he didn't tell Spot to use the Collider make a black hole in Mumbahattan, he had little to no control over the events that led up to this movie, and Miguel is blaming him like *he's* the bad guy in all this
I Like The Part In 4:14 We're Peter Said "You Know Your The Only Spider-Man Who Isn't Funny, We're Supposed To Be Funny". Like Peter Has A Point & Miguel O'Hara Is The Only One Who Always Takes Seriously & All Other's. Still It's Very Funny To See 3 Of Them Reunited With Peter's Adorable Baby Daughter.
7:52 Miles knows the truth and it’s clear that Miguel doesn’t want him to find out or else he could be turned against the whole society, which is possible
Isnt spot origin was caused by mistakes? And from the movies he really hate spiderman miles and didnt think that ahead but only realise he grow stronger everytime the portal was open. Didnt have time to think that larges of scale and the spiderman ohara did this time traveling before spots existed. @@angijuan2364
Miguel’s sternness is what makes him funny like when he talks about the name of the spiderverse, he doesn’t seem completely mad at first he seems more frustrated but fine enough to talk like when he talks to Miles about when he broke the canon
Yeah I see it too Obviously this is all speculation, but I feel like he’s going to have a change of heart and be the one to die rather that Mile’s dad.
7:50-9:08 That was the saddest and worst thing that has ever happened to him because he ruined the canon event which caused the whole dimension to corrupt and lost the family he had loved.😔
6:22 So much to take in during this scene, explaining what canon events are, how they are all connected and the cameo of Andrew and ofc the future of spectacular Spider-Man, he’s not only gonna lose Gwen (kinda teasing it on the last season as they were setting up that storyline) but he loses captain Stacey JESUS they were gonna messed up my boy emotionally
6:23 Fun fact: this is a scene that’s implied to be from the never produced season 3 of the Spectacular Spider Man. It’s a shame that it was never made
Mayday casually climbing all over Miguel and everybody just casually interacting as if it's just regular kid stuff is just funny and the way he catches her when she falls 😅
I feel there could be some projection going on there. Miles is about to ruin a whole dimension just like Miguel did, so actually the beef lies on the fact that Miles is the constant reminder of what he himself did in the past. It's like looking yourself in the mirror and feel constantly disgusted. The difference is that Miguel took full accountability and, in his eyes, Miles is not. That's why he's so "I did everything I had to redeem myself and this kid, who's following the same path, seems to give zero fcks" and that's simply unbearable for him.
Loki introducing the physical representation of the multiverse is genuinely setting ground for the furtive of movies, tvshows, games, etc. It’s incredible i love the intertwining universes
Except Miles didn't "create" the Spot, he was just the final nail that sealed his fate. The Spot created himself when he and the others brought the spider that bit Miles from Earth 42(I think it was 42 could be wrong) leading up to all the events in Across the Spiderverse
Which it could be argued wouldn't have happened if the collider in the first film wasn't even built. Miguel blaming Miles for creating the Spot is completely stupid because inaction then would have resulted in the death of the entire Spiderverse. A butterfly effect in motion.
So Miles Morales is an anomaly,but it doesn't give everyone the right to treat him like crap, and by everyone,I mean Miguel and Jess.He's a person like everyone else. You know what's worse?,is that Miguel and Jess made Miles's friends turn their backs on him.
Yeah I'm still angry how they treat him and get mad when he doesn't do what they want they in no way consider other people perspective or feeling ect even if miles agreed he was never going to be allowed to join he have a dead father he let die and unable to tell his mother without letting her know he let it happen and no society and if he did get in Gwen and others weren't going to be good to him Gwen would be distant and hang out with hobie and all. They all treated him like garbage and Gwen especially thinks she can treat him however and just switch and expect him to be friendly and considerate whenever she wants him to seen in a way with her band and now she treated miles the same way she of all people should understand but she's too focused on her place and feeling even when swinging with him and him now knowing about canon or being anomaly she tells him all about amazing society she joined and all these people and new friends she has and sleepovers ect and not once tried to clear up misunderstanding just dismiss and brush him off with whatever quick excuse she can throw out and ignores any further disregarding how hes feeling while he tries to remain considerate and nice despite that with hope she gave him while leading him on that maybe he can join the society and meet all these people but at the end by not even having to talk to anyone and saying he can't join openly shows miles that she knew he couldn't join and still did everything she did all day talking about herself like she doesn't have other friends to the guy that has no support and no friend to talk to and talking how many people she can talk to about it after basically bragging about all her new friends and been there for months while he's been struggling and when he mentions anything directing he needs help she dismisses it in a way and not to tell his parents about his identity while knowing his father will die in 2 days after all of it leaving him knowing she's having fun and he's alone suffering and she never comes back and then how she treats him after he follows her like she wouldn't have followed him if it was the other way round and forgetting about him behind her when she's gets to into talking about who caught Prowler with hobie to just dismiss and trt to brush off miles when he askss anything and tries to give whatever excuse lie or half truth about all the other spiders being in this after she lied about being a small group and how she acted when Hobie showed up and how she basically threw him under the bus not acknowledging his feelings or never told him anything to know why not to if he agreed or not he didn't know about canon and she belittles him like he's some kid not a fellow spider like her not the one she owes all she has to her being able to have or cares about being caught in multiple lies she doesn't use any attempt to come clean or anything just tries to avoid it and she can brush off anything she say or does cause she didn't really mean it hurting him with how she acts what says ans want miles to understand her relationship with hobie isn't like That or different to theirs while showing much kinder and happier personality talking to Hobie and having him around disregarding miles until it could affect her feelings also when faced with the same words she used back at her how if affected her but time will tell if it sunk in for the next movie . It was clear miles was desperate in need of support of a friend to talk but when he with Gwen she ignored anything but talk about herself or spider society only time about miles is for her to enjoy how good he's gotten then switch to treating him as lesser than her in a way she always kinda did but now more after everything he did for her And miquel acts like it's just one unimportant life when it's miles father one of The only people he has left and the person that gave miles all the confidence in first movie to succeed while other spiders dragged him down and tied him up it would be different if it was someone miquel cared about but it's miles "the original anomaly" father a brand new captain doesn't try to consider miles feeling accound while treating him like garbage and having no intention of letting miles join want to take more from miles life give him no support or anything he desperately needs and dictate his life it's wssy for them it's jusr a guy to them it's not their sacrifice not their choice it's like someone else stranger choosing to pull the plug on your loved one dismissing you it's not sacrifice it's just murder and if his father dies and miles chooses to never be Spiderman again if thwy like it or not I'm on his side for it or he goew vengeance against them for it especially after finding out he wa right shown by gwens father beinf able to live and wanfing his to die whike she has all her friends and support she has hee bams she chose to neglect them when they tried being fair to her but she was inconsiderate for them not accommodating her after all this time after Peter died not trying to understand she messed up got distracted and it was a team thing a band for everyone not just her And Peter when miles clearly was trying to ask Peter for help get in and need to talk but Peter got distracted by mayday and talking about miles suit and day pass and then degrading miles about he doesn't think and ingoring miles commends finding it insulting And Gwen has months in society she never once with all talking about miles think how to handle talking to him without giving him the wrong idea or causing problems she doesn't think Sorry for the rant
That’s the same thing I thought I was like what the hell he might be the original normally but he’s clearly just having the time of his life thinking there’s other spider people just like maybe all the other Spider-Man are joined the society did. to a kid who’s basically in the same situation as you even though he is an anomaly.
Miguel is so hard on Miles because he is so hard on himself. Even now, he looks back and fixates on the time he spent with the family of his doppelganger. He tried defying destiny and doing what would make him happy, only for it to taken away because he got involved. He sees Miles and sees the chance to stop someone from making his mistake.
Hobie talks about how good of a life he has and he’s got it good before putting his legs up between miles and the path forward. It’s subtle, but he’s telling him “if you go forward, all of that will change.” As well as “you’re not ready for everybody else.”
This is what makes Miguel interesting, and not just a blind villain. Miguel has seen what happens if things go wrong, or at least he believes he has. But if he is wrong about Canon Events, like Miles and Gwen keep pointing out, then it's possible he lost his family for some other, unknown reason. Like he lost them for nothing. So he's determined to stop Miles, because he can't be wrong about this. And he's alone despite his helpers. And he doesn't want it happening to anyone else.
His technology and knowledge is just not as big as TVA. He is still kinda guessing in what will happen. While TVA already knew it before it even started. The reason on why Miles is being rebelious is because Miguel doesn't really have a real prove that his verse will be over if he messed up with the canon event.
I think what Hobie means is don't enlist till you know what the spider society's true purpose is. On the surface it probably looks cool but deeper, Miguel's intentions may not be something Miles would want to join.
Ngl, Across the Spider Verse is the film that convinced me no live action film can hold a candle to animation. Doing Miguel in live action would just add limits.
I get Miguel’s reasoning, especially since it’s a needs of the many out way the needs of the few deal, but one thing I can’t side with him on is taking that other Miguel’s place. Not because it was wrong to take another man’s life, even if they died, but because he also left his world without a Spider-man. I get he wanted a more personally fulfilling life, but to voluntarily leave his world without a Spider-man just shows he’s lost what it means to truly be one. He just wanted an out, but now he’s deeming the mask as a burden he has to carry for life and not treating it for what it’s meant to be. An opportunity. With great power comes great responsibility but could a man who sees that now as a punishment even be the voice for others like himself? This movie really makes you think. Miguel is without a doubt an excellently written character. A Spider-man who isn’t a Spider-man. Just genius.
Interestingly enough, the actual answer to the reason he doomed a universe is similar to what you said. Can you be part of the Spiderverse without a Spiderman? Miguel may have altered that Universe with his watch traveling and prevented that universe's Spiderman from being born. So it all unraveled, while the spiderpeople from other Universes stayed completely fine.
I think the difference between anomalies and what Miguel did is he just straight up lived in the wrong universe which is why that universe glitched out of existence, he didn’t break spider canon because that Miguel wasn’t a spider
My theory is that it's the WATCHES. That's why they have to wear them to not glitch out and every time they travel to a new reality, it makes the threads unravel. Miguel caused a whole universe to disappear because he lived in another one for a long period of time. The main canon event if EVERY universe is Spiderman. And Miguel possibly prevented Spiderman for that world being born too. I wonder if the daughter was supposed to be spidergirl with Miguel dying following the pattern of Uncle Ben's.
I like how canon events are a smaller version of absolute points with absolute points when they break the whole universe fall apart but with canon events it takes more than one to destroy the whole universe.
@@Illier1maybe they didn’t fit in with Miguel’s recruitment policies. Not everyone does. Noir especially is like spider-punk, in that they’re against the establishment.
Can we all just take a moment to admire Peter calming Miguel’s emotions after him just showing up with his good energy. Makes me feel like when my brother is being a little hard on my nephew so I interviene alittle bit and tell my nephew to listen. ❤ gotta love the dynamic them both
@fionnbarrcasey5247 The comic version was basically that old horror movie "The Fly" where Jeff Goldbloom gets spliced with Fly DNA, but Miguel's case is of course with a spider
@@alexandermeiering5216 basically, Miguel wanted to quit his job at Alchemax after witnessing illegal human experiment. His boss wasn’t having it, so he poisoned Miguel with Rapture, an addictive drug that get you addicted for life, and that only Alchemax sell it legally ( terrible way to keep your employees…). Miguel then try to genetically reset his body, but his supervisor messed with his experiment, which leads him to have his body fused with spider DNA, turning him into Spiderman 2099.
Love how Miguel is simultaneously internally enraged and also being INCREDIBLY patient with Mayday crawling over him and even catches her instinctively (like he’s been through it before)😂😂😂
Considering he was a father before his variant universe collapsed, it was probably his paternal instincts kicking in
Crazy how calm he’s being seeing another spiderman happy with their daughter alive
@@sergeantsainsburys9181 which is why he believe he's the good guy. Also, noticed he stop miles with such effort to save other universes especially knowing he could not saved his own. Miguel is a tragic character, as normal person and as spirder-man. I understand his motives.
I think part of it has to do with Peter being the closest thing he has to a friend. He was there trying to help Miguel save his family's reality so I'm sure Miguel tolerates him out of respect if nothing else.
Miguel is not a bad guy. He just takes his position very seriously as he should since he's the leader.
Comic fact: in the comics, like many differences in power Miguel has enhanced sight that makes him sensitive to light and because of that he wears sunglasses . Which is why his lab is dark in the movie and why he always has his mask when he in bright areas, like throughout miles chase scene.
Nice observation
Ohh so thats why he put his mask on when the Spotting light from the chopper shined on him and Alt dimension Vulture
@@northernalpine4350yeah, alongside the fangs that are meant to paralyze/stun his targets, Miguel is essentially a vampire of some sorts lol
@@ryon5174No he isn't
@@SyllatheSpiderNerd note the word “essentially”
Put two and two together and you’ll see how that comparison was even drawn
2:54 the way miguel’s voice fades away when saying “i just can’t, i can’t even…” gets me every time 😂😂
That line was done perfectly and turned out hilarious😂
No wonder since Miguel wants eveything to be in order but Hobbie is an anarchist who acts exact opposite
@@onedayoranother310I think he just finds hobbie to look absolutely ridiculous 💀
@@josephle2381 no... it's what the other person said
Sounds so realistic
Miguel muttering "no puedo mas" under his breath gets me every time 😂
Meaning what exactly?
@@erikbihari3625meaning something along the lines of "I can't take it anymore".
@@frostbittenskater995. Ok.
What did Miguel say when he took the empanadas from Miles?
@@TheIdiotHimself42 "que maravilla". It means "how marvelous".
2:52 I love his interactions with spider punk lol
I LOVE WHEN THEY DING FOR SUBSCRIPTION FOR SOMETHING THEY DIDN'T CREATE
Spider punk was so lame, cringe, and weird ❤
@@industriesofintelligence2236 hes the goat
@@industriesofintelligence2236 found Miguel's alt
@@industriesofintelligence2236you just described yourself sweetie
I like hobbie “take a crap on the establishment I salute you!” To mayday was adorable
Her little nod too 🥰 4:38
She knew what she was doing.
Considering Peter immediately knew she needed changed right after Miguel handed her to him, it means she shit herself while crawling over Miguel. You know, the guy that's practically a dictator who doesn't allow dissent in his society?
So yes, she literally took a crap on the establishment.
@@nightmarefanatic1819he isn't a dictator he just wants to keep the multiverse from collapsing
As far as he knows disrupting canon events could cause the destruction of the multiverse
Aka countless worlds
@@G.slayer His motives don't matter when he refuses to listen to anyone who questions his theories (Miles) and banishes people who dare insinuate he might be at fault for things going wrong (Gwen.)
3:13 "Don't be afraid of my friend Miguel, he just looks scary. He's got no bite."
I haven't seen anyone pick up on the double meaning with this. Peter is trying to reassure Miles that Miguel is harmless. But it's also true that Miguel wasn't bitten by a spider like most Spider-People. He has no bite.
And a third one as an ironic joke-he's the only Spider-Man with a paralyzing bite. 😂
Miguel actually does have a bite, and it’s poisonous.
@@dmoss010like all spiders
@aholmes74ah all spiders aren't poisonous
@@dmoss010Venomous, not poisonous.
I love how completely opposite Hobbie and Miguel are in this movie. Being a rebel, Hobbie is all about defying the status quo and going against order. While Miguel, due to watching an entire universe collapse, has held on to the concept of total control so much that he’s closed off from others opinions.
This movie is so odd and the way things happen so quickly it's hard to keep track of what the characters are saying.
Also, Hobie wants people to share his viewpoint but he does not try to force it on them. He tries to warn Miles to think critically but never tells him "Don't join Miguel, he's bad news." He also is understanding of Gwen's position and instead of trying to drag her out of it, he stands by her and supports her until she's able to finally defy Miguel herself, which he obviously had faith she would eventually do. Contrast to Miguel's rigid demands for obedience and the way he sends her back to her home dimension knowing what's in store for her there because she was too defiant.
Hobie and Miguel aren't just "Rebel vs Authoritarian" they're also complete opposites in how they think you should go about influencing people, with Gwen being the example of the people.
Sometimes I don’t like that. But for the sack of certain exceptions like this, it’s alright
And even still, you can understand why and not necessarily hate it.
Also like how Hobie looks at us as he’s gathering stuff and before he talks to miles. You have to stop at the frame before he spins behind miles, he’s staring straight at the camera
4:38 "taking a crap in the middle of an establishment I SALUTE YOU !!" with the shadows effect shutting down, that's crazy 😭
Best line in the movie
😂
Hobie saying " you are not ready for everybody else"just after side eyeing Gwen also meant he knew that Miles was unaware of the true ideas behind the spider clubhouse and even the fact that Gwen was down bad for Miles but tried to suppress her feelings and focus on the goals in hand. So Hobie felt that at this moment Miles first priority was to have a real talk with his parents to avoid any further misunderstandings. To get them the fact how lonely he felt and needed only their love and support while balancing the teenage struggle,missing someone,academic pressure as well as the role of a friendly neighbourhood spiderman.
DOWN BAD????😭
For over a year she couldn't think straight and the way she looked at the polaroid picture was not like missing a mere friend instead someone who is very close to her heart. She always got lost in his thoughts.And when she got the chance she immediately visited him and first thing she did was hugging him tightly and then acting awkwardly around him.
Also HOBIE said , U CAN MAKE UR OWN WATCH ...... He knows more...... !!!
@@usmaniftekhar7121 yes Hobie knew Miles was the person from 1610 about whom Gwen never stopped talking cause she was crushing pretty hard and by the end of ATSV she had completely fallen for Miles. Even the watch he made was already tuned to 1610 so that Gwen could fix her relationship with Miles and tell everything to him which she couldn't before as Miguel was spying them.
That’s what I been thinking about Gwen. As much as she miss Miles, she been at this club far too long. She lost her consciousness and went along for the ride all because she couldn’t return to her own dimension. But in order to stay, she had to follow his rules.
Miguel is funny in his own quirky way.
He’s funny because he’s not trying to be funny.
@@benwasserman8223 Straight man surrounded by the red and blue onesie clownshow.
Makes the goofballs that much funnier if there's a comparative "normie" there losing their patience with it.
The serious boss man surrounded by loveable goofballs is always peak comedy
@Shagnazty-nn1ub 2:51 "🫵😠And you? 🖐😒I'm just gonna try and ignore you. I just can't- I can't even right now."
@@Shagnazty-nn1ub 3:47 "🙄😤🤦♂️N-no, no, no--! Yo no puedo mas, no puedo mas..."
0:32: Was Hobbie randomly stealing components like that, passing it off as random acts of anarchy, so he could assemble his own dimensional portal device later, as a backup for if/when he quit Miguel's team?
Pretty much confirmed
Dude's dangerous
bro's playing 4D chess with Miguel
@marlonquintana3466 Dangerous, but thinks outside the box, unlike Miguel.
Hobie Brown in the mainline universe became Prowler. He was a tech genius like Peter. It looks like Spider-Punk has the traditional science-acumen Spider-Man's are known for.
Oscar Isaac has an incredible talent playing someone you think is being kind of a prick, but you're still captivated by and want to see more.
Dude tends to sound like "I know what I'm talking about. This happened before."
Another reason I love Miguel? How he is portrayed is exactly how Cyclops from the X-men is. People are always misrepresent Cyclops. Cyclops had no sense of humor and doesn’t have time to make jokes because he knows that he must be the one to lead his gang of mutants because one bad choice can result in the extermination of his mutant race. The responsibility of such a leadership role and as well as his responsibility to keep his powers in check at all times; such things can way in him.
The way how Miguel is written here is the closet thing to accurate representation of my favorite mutant, Cyclops. Miguel may not be Cyclops but I can just appreciate what I can; this is closest to cyclops I have seen by far. I’m tired of people milking Wolverine to no end.
Yup “the hardest choices require the strongest wills.” Just like how Leonardo from TMNT is often portrayed as a hardass, not because he wants to be, but because he has to lead his brothers.
Bruh thank you for actually paying attention to cyclops character traits
@@kb6900 better than that. I am in the process of writing a story for cyclops. As soon as I get a new computer though
@@francostevo9939 cool! What’s it about
@@kb6900 that I am working on but it involves a mutant, a mutant that I made up; a mutant that has the power to absorb the mutant powers of others and transfer those powers into another person either animal, mutant, even human.
Cyclops makes the discovery of this mutant being kept at shield and is furious that Captain America kept such a mutant a secret from him; thinking that having a mutant like that by the X-men side would work wonders and could help mutant kind. Captain America agrees with that but as we all know, Cap always chooses the moral choice while cyclops chooses the mutant choice. Captain America wants this mutant to work with shield to be able to help out everyone because if there is someone with powers they must defeat, this transfer power mutant is the best alley they can have in their team.
4:38 I love Mayday's little smug expression there
her little pout lolololol ☹️
I do love Miguel. He’s meant to be an antagonist yet his motivations make sense. None of us know if he can be proven wrong. Miles doesn’t know. Miguel doesn’t know. But we know Miguel isn’t pure evil. He’s a broken man long past his breaking point who’s terrified and paralyzed by the magnitude of his assumed responsibility. Will he be able to see reason? Can he even be proven wrong? Only time will tell.
Finally someone else says exactly what I feel. I see way too many people demonize him like he's the villain of the movie.
@@BabushkaKoi he’s an antagonist, and Spot is the villain.
I don't think he'll see his dimension collapse but if he breaks canon, but the story would be boring if he manages to walk away unscathed. I expect him to lose someone in the next movie if he saves his father. Might be Miguel sacrificing himself. Might be his father dying anyway saving Miles from an attacker. Might be Gwen following the other Gwens that got too close to Spider man.
@@justinwilliams7148 in the comics, his mom dies, so maybe if he saves his father, his mother might die, which ironically is following canon
@@BabushkaKoiMiguel is more of a duty-bound extremist who tries to maintain order, in this case, the stability of the multiverse. He broke the canon in one universe and doesn't want history to repeat itself. That is all.
1:50 slowest entrance ever.
Slower than Mewtwo's Entrance in the First movie. Lol
“The ramp Morty, they love the slow ramp.”
Like undertaker entrance
that's not the entrance, it was the vulture fight scene
My favorite quote from this movie "You say 'the fate of the Multi-verse' and my brain dies". Always gonna be the funniest quote to me.
1:25 when the face id isn’t working so you gotta lock in
LMFAO
Watching this makes me wonder if the alternate Miguel’s death was a canon event for his daughter. What if she was supposed to be the spider woman of that dimension after her father’s death? Don’t know how she would have gotten the spider abilities but it might be possible.
Well mayday might just explain that
It must've been something like that. If Miguel wouldve just slipped into the role of a (for the canon-multiverse irrelevant) normal guy, a canon event would not have been interrupted (since there was none to begin with). Hence, the Miguel that died must've been somewhat connected to a Spiderman story. An entire universe can only begin to glitch or get destroyed by the presence of strong anomalies (e.g. the renessaince vulture; all spidermans in movie 1) or someone like Spot (though rules in that regard are still not 100% clear because there's not that much to go off of).
Miguel really proving Hobie's "If you call yourself a hero, that makes you a self-mythologizing, Narcissistic autocrat" quip from his intro. Miles literally says out loud that it was The Spot that caused the big black anomaly in Parvitr's universe, not a Canon Event disruption, and he just gets bowled over and ignored because The Canon is more important than facts. The Mythology is more important. Miguel is so convinced that everything revolves around Spider-man, all because he saw one universe collapse - one he was living in.
One he was _not supposed to be living in._ Yeah, he probably _did_ cause that universe to collapse. But not because he's Spiderman, or because of "canon". He caused it because he wasn't from that Universe.
Narcissism is when you take responsibility for your actions and demand that for others because that's not what Spiderman is literally about or anything
@@theysellsoulscheaphere8501 He's so obsessed with the idea of Spider-man that he thinks the universe literally revolves around him. Assuming that it was Spider-Man Canon being disrupted that broke a universe instead of _literally anything else, like him invading to take his dead self's place_ is the height of arrogance and narcissism.
@@Blazieth He doesn't think the universe revolves around him how tf did you come to conclusion. Him invading another universe broke cannon.
@@Codyslx His whole "Spider Canon" bit preaches that Spider Man is so integral to the existence of the universe that disrupting any of the "Canon events" will break the universe. And yet, it happens MULTIPLE times without consequence. Hell, it can be argued that Miguel himself doesn't even fit the Spider Bite Canon Event; he wasn't bitten, he was spliced with Spider DNA in a genetic experiment that got sabotaged.
But Miles himself is central to multiple Canon events being broken, and not one of those universes is collapsing; the closest we get is Spot's stuff messing up one building and everyone overreacts and outright ignores Miles pointing out that it was The Spot, not "canon being broken".
Hell, what about Universe 42? Sure, the place is in a worse state for not having a Spider Man, _but the universe still exists._ Literally EVERY SINGLE CANON EVENT was completely averted due to the spider being absent. Universe is fine.
The entire Canon Event system is bullshit born of Narcissistic self-importance. The one universe that is broken, is one that is _invaded by someone from another universe._ That's not about Canon being broken, it's an incursion, the same sort of thing that gets talked about in Multiverse of Madness.
@Blazieth He didn't preach about spiderman being integral to the universe.. He simply claimed that breaking enough cannon at some point would put all lives in the multiverse at risk. Hence why he told miles to sacrifice one to save all. Nothing he says is in any definition of the work narcissistic. He destroyed an entire universe simply by just existing. He came to the conclusion with the help of his model that if you do it enough, it would deconstruct the multiverse. Going out an busting his ass to weave in anomalies that came as the result of the alchemax is not something a narcissistic person would do. Pretty selfless to clean up after others if you ask me.
6:22
Holy shit
It’s Spectacular Spider-Man !!!!
Yes. But that tv show and the ones produced by Disney never included any REAL death until now.
@rafaelarcas942 that death is a Much later point. Which means something intense happened that Spectacular couldn't keep up with.
@@WindyREDPanda what do you mean by “intense” exactly ?
@rafaelarcas942 like an Ultimatum. Like Green Goblin making Spidey Choose Save Gwen or Save Captain Stacy. As ya should know Spidey has Sacrifices that make him who he is.
@@WindyREDPanda Yes, that movie really show that tragic aspect of it but also at the end that some universe such SpiderGwen's world don't always follow the same rules of the "canon".
3:47 Miguel frantically muttering "No puedo más" to himself had me rolling 😂 He's a mood
Mayday looks like she Loves her uncle Miguel. So cute
Fun fact mIguel O'Hara was the first mixed race spider man, part Mexican part Irish. his first comic came out in 1992.
He was also the first Spider-Man who wasn't a Peter variant iirc
Edit: first in the comics, Japanese Spider-Man has him beat
He's the original anomaly
Kind of confusing since Mexican is a nationality like American, Mestizo mixed Irish is more appropriate
He isn't Irish, mom cheated
@@nothingwrong2293what
People have mentioned groupthink, but I think part of the reason so many Spider-People are on board with Miguel's plan is that it helps them assuage the guilt that they all feel. Miguel's explanation for "canon" events implies that there was nothing any of them could have done to save their loved ones, so they don't have to wonder if they could have acted differently or been better. It's one of the many ways Miguel has misunderstood the idea of canon events: Spider-Man needs to fail, but only because he is *supposed* to carry the guilt of failing, because it always pushes him to try harder and look for a solution even under impossible odds. If any death could potentially be explained away as a canon event, then Spider-Man never has to question his own decisions. When you get a Spider-Man who is convinced he is always doing the right thing, simply because it's him that's doing it, you get Miguel O'Hara.
Basically taking no accountability for their mistakes. It's the easy way out. I like your theory.
@@pavlemarjanovic1896how so? They are spidermen they are all about responsibility
@@G.slayer Spiderman is notorious for taking the responsibility of everyone else *except* himself on his shoulders. He sees himself as a tool for the good of humanity and nothing else.
@@FinalOneWaySpiderman is a cog in the wheel
Except this can get contradicted in the Spiderman TAS.
There's a version of Peter Parker where he never loses Uncle Ben, and by proxy, becomes reckless, privileged, and a terrible leader.
If Uncle Ben's death is a canon event, why is there one timeline where he survives?
Granted, people are speculating that Miguel explaining the canon events is his PTSD convincing him that these recurring events must be absolute.
When Miles asks Peter "did that happen to you?" It breaks me down everytime lol
Just miles expressing empathy to peter and the fact that peter always kept that to himself just makes me a wreck for some reason
Pete:"Miguel just looks scary ,but he got not bite!"
Me: he's the Only Spider-man that literaly got a bite.😏
LMAOOO That was also immediately what I said when that happened 😂
Well technically hes the only spiderman that didnt get a bite from a spider
I mean if you wanna get technical, every Spidey that gets a Venom suit and keeps it gets a bite.
A *really big* one.
@@w1l827 No he isn't. A lot of spiders didn't get their powers from being bitten.
@@nightmarefanatic1819 ummm.. sure?
Reminder, Hobie is a cockney boy from the slums, and he built that watch with spare parts
Tony Stark built an arc reactor with a box of scraps in a cave.
@@adhulpu7924Tony stark is a genius is not the same
@@Trillelieldelajersey What I'm trying to say is he did it with limited resources. Of course he is a genius. What if Hobie is also a genius. We don't know his story entirely. So don't underestimate him.
@@Trillelieldelajerseyevery spider person has to be intelligent to some degree considering the majority have to make there own web fluid
@@Trillelieldelajersey Erm... And Spiderman Isn't a genius?
Every Spiderman is a genius who is canonically in a similar mental playing field as Tony for the most part, and Hobie is a Spiderman.
More or less the same odds of genius as any Tony Stark variant because "Genius" is a trait part of the character of Spiderman.
Still remember the chills i had in the theatre during 6:00-6:53. It was so well done, fan service that never distracts from the story being told.
Also the music is 10/10
Miguel was calling, Miles, 7:14 an Anomaly, even before the chase.
7:15 at the back when everyone is looking at Miles it looks like all of them are mad at Miles
All except Hobie, Peter B, and Mayday.
After watching Loki the fact the multiverse looked like a tree here makes a lot more sense
I was actually surprised they referenced Loki.
Is it a reference to the world tree? Like Yggdrasil?
Probably@@parkchimmin7913
Even in ben10 its a tree
@@parkchimmin7913 i wish but i dont think so
If anyone doesn't know the name of alternate Miguel's daughter, it's Gabriella O'Hara. If you pause at 0:54 and 8:07, you can see the name of the file video and it's titled "Gabriella 015".
Another thing: his daughter is named after his late brother Gabriel, who at some point was Goblin 2099.
I just realized that Hobie was probably stealing those random parts around the place because he already knew miles/gwen would need their own watch and was preparing.
And other people wouldn't notice it since they probably thought that was some "punk culture" since they do like collecting and recycling garbage.
How would bro know though?
6:38 when I tell you I squealed I mean EVERYONE SQUEALED
2:52 Miguel doesn't like Hobbie.😂
Which is fair considering he's a rigid, authoritarian figure and Hobie is an anarchist who's constantly making remarks about what a rebel he is. Too bad for Miguel he didn't take any of what he said seriously.
i genuinely want to see more of them together in the next movie
They are literally natural enemies.
They are literally natural enemies.
Man, everything Hobie says has meaning. Right down to the body language.
4:11 I’m trying to hold a serious adult conversation here LMAO
“Taking a crap on the establishment, I like that”
😂
3:28 you made a promise, Peter B.
👍
In my opinion,there were 5 minutes of Miguel being a chill mentor to Miles from 4:30 to the next scene:”Being Spider-Man is a sacrifice. That’s the job. That’s what you signed up for.”
Like miles or anyone Signed up for it except miquel
@@fireredninja9320 they literally signed up for it
3:00 “hey Miguel come on go easy on the kid he had a terrible teacher😂”
I can never hate Miguel because I understand where he is coming from. As much as I want to change something, there are times I don’t want to change it and remain miserable because without that pain, I don’t have the motivation to make things right. I allow myself to feel this pain to do the right thing. I am planning to get one day get a tattoo to remind myself of my wrong (and I hate tattoos btw) because I won’t be young forever and I don’t want age to diminish the memory of this pain from my mind. Why? Because a wise man once said “Never forget those you have wronged because I can assure you they will not forget you “
I did something back in 2000 that I can’t get over; I was 5. I refuse to heal from or forget.
I get you man. In January of this year I was in a car accident because of some other person who caused it, but I beat myself over it everyday. Thinking what I could’ve done differently, and it’s a pain that never leaves me, it’s always in the back of my mind haunting me everyday.
Bro literally passed his canon event
@@roman_gulko3815bro became part of the movie
Well I *can* hate Miguel. Not just cause of the whole "canon event" stuff, but because he's blaming Miles like he purposely caused everything that's happened. Miles didn't know about the spider, he didn't tell Spot to use the Collider make a black hole in Mumbahattan, he had little to no control over the events that led up to this movie, and Miguel is blaming him like *he's* the bad guy in all this
I know exactly how you feel.
I Like The Part In 4:14 We're Peter Said "You Know Your The Only Spider-Man Who Isn't Funny, We're Supposed To Be Funny". Like Peter Has A Point & Miguel O'Hara Is The Only One Who Always Takes Seriously & All Other's. Still It's Very Funny To See 3 Of Them Reunited With Peter's Adorable Baby Daughter.
7:52 Miles knows the truth and it’s clear that Miguel doesn’t want him to find out or else he could be turned against the whole society, which is possible
That looks like it was the spots plan of making that mess to trick the spider society
Isnt spot origin was caused by mistakes? And from the movies he really hate spiderman miles and didnt think that ahead but only realise he grow stronger everytime the portal was open. Didnt have time to think that larges of scale and the spiderman ohara did this time traveling before spots existed. @@angijuan2364
Miguel’s sternness is what makes him funny like when he talks about the name of the spiderverse, he doesn’t seem completely mad at first he seems more frustrated but fine enough to talk like when he talks to Miles about when he broke the canon
It gets me every time when Miguel catches Mayday.
4:08 I'm calling that this is straight up spoiler for the future film.
Noo, please no.
Yeah I see it too
Obviously this is all speculation, but I feel like he’s going to have a change of heart and be the one to die rather that Mile’s dad.
STOP NO😭
@@schonenabbend😊q
5:06 the multiverse is a tree, folks who made this movie knew what was going down at the end of Loki Season 2!
The directors did said they just put that as a reference/easter egg from what was shown on Loki Season 1.
I thought it was because of the connection to Norse Myth, the World Tree.
@@Sergote12yeah most fictional pieces take from that, eg attack on titan, loki, spiderman all adopt the idea of a world tree
7:50-9:08
That was the saddest and worst thing that has ever happened to him because he ruined the canon event which caused the whole dimension to corrupt and lost the family he had loved.😔
That's kind of what was expanded in Multiverse Of Madness
2:08 I love how Gwen knows Miles so well here 🤣
6:22 So much to take in during this scene, explaining what canon events are, how they are all connected and the cameo of Andrew and ofc the future of spectacular Spider-Man, he’s not only gonna lose Gwen (kinda teasing it on the last season as they were setting up that storyline) but he loses captain Stacey JESUS they were gonna messed up my boy emotionally
6:23 Fun fact: this is a scene that’s implied to be from the never produced season 3 of the Spectacular Spider Man. It’s a shame that it was never made
6:22 is the spectacular spiderman?
Yea
3:33 It's a baby Katie Mitchell...no wait, it's Mayday. Wrong movie. 😂
Hobie is hilarious. So hilarious Miguel litterally cant look at him, hobie says " im not even here. Or here"
Mayday casually climbing all over Miguel and everybody just casually interacting as if it's just regular kid stuff is just funny and the way he catches her when she falls 😅
4:37 did anyone else notice that Mayday nodded at Spider Punk after he complemented her
And his little high five to her
Miguel really has some beef with Miles 💀
Miguel was too hard on him.
@@aryelrosa4829Miguel was too hard for him (if yknow what I mean)
Probably because he's the most irresponsible Spiderman which makes him the worst Spiderman if you think about it.
@@theysellsoulscheaphere8501then yet again he’s still a kid (teenager)
I feel there could be some projection going on there. Miles is about to ruin a whole dimension just like Miguel did, so actually the beef lies on the fact that Miles is the constant reminder of what he himself did in the past. It's like looking yourself in the mirror and feel constantly disgusted. The difference is that Miguel took full accountability and, in his eyes, Miles is not. That's why he's so "I did everything I had to redeem myself and this kid, who's following the same path, seems to give zero fcks" and that's simply unbearable for him.
I love when Peter said oh you smell that mayday took a crap😂😂😂😂😂
"Take a crap at the establishment, I salute you."
-Hobie
(Absolutely loved it.)
Taking*
(Let's just pretend I never made that mistake)
Edit: Didn't know y'all liked pointed out obvious things *that* much >:D
as if he wasn’t part of the establishment for MONTHS 😂 such lazy writing. hobie is such a shit character, made for fans that think they’re cool
Loki introducing the physical representation of the multiverse is genuinely setting ground for the furtive of movies, tvshows, games, etc. It’s incredible i love the intertwining universes
The incident doesn't happen without The Spot, though who Miles "created"
Except Miles didn't "create" the Spot, he was just the final nail that sealed his fate. The Spot created himself when he and the others brought the spider that bit Miles from Earth 42(I think it was 42 could be wrong) leading up to all the events in Across the Spiderverse
Which it could be argued wouldn't have happened if the collider in the first film wasn't even built. Miguel blaming Miles for creating the Spot is completely stupid because inaction then would have resulted in the death of the entire Spiderverse. A butterfly effect in motion.
1:13 me browsing stories of happy couples whilst being single myself
He may not be part of the Spider Society but he’s still Spider-Man🔥
So Miles Morales is an anomaly,but it doesn't give everyone the right to treat him like crap, and by everyone,I mean Miguel and Jess.He's a person like everyone else. You know what's worse?,is that Miguel and Jess made Miles's friends turn their backs on him.
Yeah I'm still angry how they treat him and get mad when he doesn't do what they want they in no way consider other people perspective or feeling ect even if miles agreed he was never going to be allowed to join he have a dead father he let die and unable to tell his mother without letting her know he let it happen and no society and if he did get in Gwen and others weren't going to be good to him Gwen would be distant and hang out with hobie and all. They all treated him like garbage and Gwen especially thinks she can treat him however and just switch and expect him to be friendly and considerate whenever she wants him to seen in a way with her band and now she treated miles the same way she of all people should understand but she's too focused on her place and feeling even when swinging with him and him now knowing about canon or being anomaly she tells him all about amazing society she joined and all these people and new friends she has and sleepovers ect and not once tried to clear up misunderstanding just dismiss and brush him off with whatever quick excuse she can throw out and ignores any further disregarding how hes feeling while he tries to remain considerate and nice despite that with hope she gave him while leading him on that maybe he can join the society and meet all these people but at the end by not even having to talk to anyone and saying he can't join openly shows miles that she knew he couldn't join and still did everything she did all day talking about herself like she doesn't have other friends to the guy that has no support and no friend to talk to and talking how many people she can talk to about it after basically bragging about all her new friends and been there for months while he's been struggling and when he mentions anything directing he needs help she dismisses it in a way and not to tell his parents about his identity while knowing his father will die in 2 days after all of it leaving him knowing she's having fun and he's alone suffering and she never comes back and then how she treats him after he follows her like she wouldn't have followed him if it was the other way round and forgetting about him behind her when she's gets to into talking about who caught Prowler with hobie to just dismiss and trt to brush off miles when he askss anything and tries to give whatever excuse lie or half truth about all the other spiders being in this after she lied about being a small group and how she acted when Hobie showed up and how she basically threw him under the bus not acknowledging his feelings or never told him anything to know why not to if he agreed or not he didn't know about canon and she belittles him like he's some kid not a fellow spider like her not the one she owes all she has to her being able to have or cares about being caught in multiple lies she doesn't use any attempt to come clean or anything just tries to avoid it and she can brush off anything she say or does cause she didn't really mean it hurting him with how she acts what says ans want miles to understand her relationship with hobie isn't like That or different to theirs while showing much kinder and happier personality talking to Hobie and having him around disregarding miles until it could affect her feelings also when faced with the same words she used back at her how if affected her but time will tell if it sunk in for the next movie .
It was clear miles was desperate in need of support of a friend to talk but when he with Gwen she ignored anything but talk about herself or spider society only time about miles is for her to enjoy how good he's gotten then switch to treating him as lesser than her in a way she always kinda did but now more after everything he did for her
And miquel acts like it's just one unimportant life when it's miles father one of The only people he has left and the person that gave miles all the confidence in first movie to succeed while other spiders dragged him down and tied him up it would be different if it was someone miquel cared about but it's miles "the original anomaly" father a brand new captain doesn't try to consider miles feeling accound while treating him like garbage and having no intention of letting miles join want to take more from miles life give him no support or anything he desperately needs and dictate his life it's wssy for them it's jusr a guy to them it's not their sacrifice not their choice it's like someone else stranger choosing to pull the plug on your loved one dismissing you it's not sacrifice it's just murder and if his father dies and miles chooses to never be Spiderman again if thwy like it or not I'm on his side for it or he goew vengeance against them for it especially after finding out he wa right shown by gwens father beinf able to live and wanfing his to die whike she has all her friends and support she has hee bams she chose to neglect them when they tried being fair to her but she was inconsiderate for them not accommodating her after all this time after Peter died not trying to understand she messed up got distracted and it was a team thing a band for everyone not just her
And Peter when miles clearly was trying to ask Peter for help get in and need to talk but Peter got distracted by mayday and talking about miles suit and day pass and then degrading miles about he doesn't think and ingoring miles commends finding it insulting
And Gwen has months in society she never once with all talking about miles think how to handle talking to him without giving him the wrong idea or causing problems she doesn't think
Sorry for the rant
😂😂😂
That’s the same thing I thought I was like what the hell he might be the original normally but he’s clearly just having the time of his life thinking there’s other spider people just like maybe all the other Spider-Man are joined the society did. to a kid who’s basically in the same situation as you even though he is an anomaly.
4:12 4:17 4:18 4:20 4:21 the only adorable moment of Serious Miguel.
2:53 me every time someone says Miguel is a Bad guy.
Best Rick citadel ever.
Miguel is so hard on Miles because he is so hard on himself. Even now, he looks back and fixates on the time he spent with the family of his doppelganger. He tried defying destiny and doing what would make him happy, only for it to taken away because he got involved. He sees Miles and sees the chance to stop someone from making his mistake.
Hobie talks about how good of a life he has and he’s got it good before putting his legs up between miles and the path forward. It’s subtle, but he’s telling him “if you go forward, all of that will change.” As well as “you’re not ready for everybody else.”
Awww Mayday is so cute and sweet!! It’s so nice to see Peter B again!
Makes me wonder where the idea to put Peter B in a bathrobe came from
This is what makes Miguel interesting, and not just a blind villain. Miguel has seen what happens if things go wrong, or at least he believes he has.
But if he is wrong about Canon Events, like Miles and Gwen keep pointing out, then it's possible he lost his family for some other, unknown reason. Like he lost them for nothing.
So he's determined to stop Miles, because he can't be wrong about this. And he's alone despite his helpers. And he doesn't want it happening to anyone else.
His technology and knowledge is just not as big as TVA. He is still kinda guessing in what will happen. While TVA already knew it before it even started. The reason on why Miles is being rebelious is because Miguel doesn't really have a real prove that his verse will be over if he messed up with the canon event.
Miguel's humor is dry humor. Its so dry that it crackles.
😂😂😂
1:43 Hobie: Just don't enlist till you know what war you're fighting
Me: How did Hobie know that there was going to be a fight
I think what Hobie means is don't enlist till you know what the spider society's true purpose is. On the surface it probably looks cool but deeper, Miguel's intentions may not be something Miles would want to join.
I genuinely love that they used the live action ones too
Cool that they showed Andrew Garfield
Where? 😮
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I like how they blamed miles but spots actually to blame since he brought the spider
*8:05** the way Miguel says “family”..😢*
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No puedo mas no puedo mas
1:15 i still remember the chills i got watching this for the first time
Oscar Isaac would be great as live action Miguel o hara
I don’t think so. But he’s fantastic as the voice.
Ngl, Across the Spider Verse is the film that convinced me no live action film can hold a candle to animation. Doing Miguel in live action would just add limits.
@poisonbonbons8684 For real.If DC has taught me anything is that Animation does more justice for superheroes than live action
Is he Mexica Irish or half Mexican? If not.. no.
i love him as moon knight tho… i can’t choose
Superb entry scene by Miguel O'Hara in Spiderman across the Spider Verse. Also awesome Bgm
Daniel Pemberton is going to win a Guild of Music Supervisor and composers award for this. It's so immersive.
@@AntsTheaterCorner2698 yes 👍
Miguel, when said “ all of our liveszzzz” get me all the time😂
7:48 I noticed that, since Pav's universe was being destroyed by the collider used by Spot, Miles isn't an anomolie as he created the Spot.
I get Miguel’s reasoning, especially since it’s a needs of the many out way the needs of the few deal, but one thing I can’t side with him on is taking that other Miguel’s place. Not because it was wrong to take another man’s life, even if they died, but because he also left his world without a Spider-man. I get he wanted a more personally fulfilling life, but to voluntarily leave his world without a Spider-man just shows he’s lost what it means to truly be one. He just wanted an out, but now he’s deeming the mask as a burden he has to carry for life and not treating it for what it’s meant to be. An opportunity. With great power comes great responsibility but could a man who sees that now as a punishment even be the voice for others like himself?
This movie really makes you think. Miguel is without a doubt an excellently written character. A Spider-man who isn’t a Spider-man. Just genius.
Interestingly enough, the actual answer to the reason he doomed a universe is similar to what you said. Can you be part of the Spiderverse without a Spiderman? Miguel may have altered that Universe with his watch traveling and prevented that universe's Spiderman from being born. So it all unraveled, while the spiderpeople from other Universes stayed completely fine.
I think the difference between anomalies and what Miguel did is he just straight up lived in the wrong universe which is why that universe glitched out of existence, he didn’t break spider canon because that Miguel wasn’t a spider
Which also explains why he and Peter didn’t glitch out, they weren’t part of that universe so they didn’t die with it
My theory is that it's the WATCHES. That's why they have to wear them to not glitch out and every time they travel to a new reality, it makes the threads unravel. Miguel caused a whole universe to disappear because he lived in another one for a long period of time. The main canon event if EVERY universe is Spiderman. And Miguel possibly prevented Spiderman for that world being born too. I wonder if the daughter was supposed to be spidergirl with Miguel dying following the pattern of Uncle Ben's.
"AND YOU! 😡 I'm just gonna try and ignore you..😐 I-i can't..."
I like how canon events are a smaller version of absolute points with absolute points when they break the whole universe fall apart but with canon events it takes more than one to destroy the whole universe.
Where was Spider Noir & Ham during all of the multiverse stuff?
In reality? Nick Cage was busy and Mulaney was in rehab.
In the movie? Probably not recruited yet.
In the end they were on the spider gang in the finale of the team
@@Illier1maybe they didn’t fit in with Miguel’s recruitment policies. Not everyone does. Noir especially is like spider-punk, in that they’re against the establishment.
My personal theory is they opted out of joining the Spider Society when they learned Miguel considers Miles a multiversal threat.
they were probably in it but the writers were lazy and only included them in the final moments of the movie
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I love the wonder and curiosity in her eyes as she explores her powers
❤ 💥
I love how Miles' Spanish is sh*t, while Miguel speaks perfect Spanish 👌🏼
I love how their personalities persist through the general serious mood of the scene.
I like that he casually throws something at Miles midsentence kinda like J.k Simmons in Whiplash
Miles is trying to just be nice to Miguel 😂😂😂😂
I love Hobbies character design, its like he jumped out of a comic book
Who
Can we all just take a moment to admire Peter calming Miguel’s emotions after him just showing up with his good energy.
Makes me feel like when my brother is being a little hard on my nephew so I interviene alittle bit and tell my nephew to listen.
❤ gotta love the dynamic them both
7:55 it was the Spot, Miguel! HE’S the one you should be looking for instead of Miles
I love Miguel O’Hara❤
the thing that miguel injects himself with, is it rapture? or maybe something different related to his powers.
correct. Not sure if exactly like comics, but his powers don’t come from a spider bite. Involves injection that mixes his dna with spider dna
@fionnbarrcasey5247 The comic version was basically that old horror movie "The Fly" where Jeff Goldbloom gets spliced with Fly DNA, but Miguel's case is of course with a spider
@@fionnbarrcasey5247 I didnt read the comics so would he lose his powers if he stopped the injections?
@@alexandermeiering5216 basically, Miguel wanted to quit his job at Alchemax after witnessing illegal human experiment. His boss wasn’t having it, so he poisoned Miguel with Rapture, an addictive drug that get you addicted for life, and that only Alchemax sell it legally ( terrible way to keep your employees…). Miguel then try to genetically reset his body, but his supervisor messed with his experiment, which leads him to have his body fused with spider DNA, turning him into Spiderman 2099.
His eyes do show an affect so possibly his powers