Illegals getting hotels. I seen it myself. My coworker is Ukrainian woman with 2 kids, she gets her subsidised living in UK home and she's working in Tesco. Last month she went to Ukraine to see her husband and dentist for kids. And I'm also working as truck driver in Tesco, I pay UK taxes over 16 years and I still cannot afford UK mortgage.
@@yannikoloff7659illegals aren’t getting hotels. Asylum seekers aren’t illegal. Illegal immigrants get deported. That’s black and white by the way, not an opinion. If you have an issue with asylum seekers being in hotels, maybe look at the government who are deliberately processing them 10x slower than last time we had roughly the same number.
@@yannikoloff7659 'Weapons 4 Ukraine (& military industrial complex)' -- the 6 min 14 sec video by Matt Orfalea and the 1.28 'George Carlin on Our Similarities' by Ammar Khan
@@yannikoloff7659 You are full of shite! A product of Murdoch, Barclay Brothers and the Tory Propaganda Machine! Try thinking for yourself (if you are capable) for once!
I once used to watch Jonathan Pie for a bit of a giggle, increasingly he just sounds like the one sane voice screaming into the cacophony of insanity that is modern politics.
I was just about to say the same thing. The outrage used to be satirical, now it’s actual commentary. We need Pie to stand in an actual election, if only to be the Malcolm Tucker the country needs.
Not a bad idea on the surface. You likley couldn't fine the individual, in some London boroughs that'd be prohibitively expensive. So you fine the parties, now you're fining "left" wing parties more than right. So you fine the council, now you're taking even more money from poor areas...... Why not tax the wealthiest and house homeless people?
Yet again, Johnathan Pie totally nails it. This bill just showst how disgusting the conservative party really is.They truly are the excrement on the shoes of Britain.
Sadly the last of the old Public Baths were done away with in the later 1970s, mostly to be replaced by the corporate retail outlets that crushed family owned shops (the cornerstone of commerce) out of existence. I would never have run a shop, too damned hard, but I miss having them around. It's all getting a bit Soviet in the UK these days, dull, grey and inhumane, but the left and right do tend to 'meet round the back' to reassure one another of the virtues of totalitarianism.
@@Norfolkandchance886 I don't know, it feels like they're trying to take us back to those times. Jacob Rees-mog is directly out of the 19th century. The Right Honourable Member for 1852.
And public toilets. They're nearly all closed in the UK now. That was for our benefit. Not mine getting nicked for peeing in a back lane after midnight 😂😂😂
@@seekingabsolution1907 the American plantation owners learned to appreciate prison labor back during the colonial days, when the UK government would round-up the Irish and send them over as indentured political prisoners.
Yet it has been a consistent thing in Britain for nearly 200 years. No one alive today has lived in a time when being homeless was not a serious crime in Britain.
I work in a mental health hospital. A while back I encountered a lad on the ward I went to school with. He'd been in and out prison from when we left school some 20 years ago. When he was discharged he would commit offences that he knew would get him sent back to prison. I asked why he wanted to be in prison. "I know the rules there, I know what to expect. I've known nothing else." Essentially the guy had become institutionalised. The only other time I have encountered such levels of institutionalisation is when I cared for people who had been in the old long stay hospitals (asylums essentially) or one woman who I cared for years ago who had been moved around 5 different concentration camps as a child. Even Enoch Powell saw the harm such institutionalisation had done. We can debate all day about the the rights and wrongs of his approach to that, but, at least he recognised a problem. These Tories - and I would argue every neolib from Thatcher onward (inc Blair and Starmer) - fails to see how anybody could turn a profit from it so don't bother. We should be dealing with this because these a people with lives and we should be recognising their humanity. "Evil begins when you start to treat people as things" - Terry Pratchett.
lets not forget; in prison, while its not a nice experience; you have access to basic amenities. Water, food and shelter. If you are homeless; your chance of getting a job is slim. If you have been incarcerated, its even worse. So then what? you can choose between rough sleeping and being targeted and hurt… or… get back behind bars. Is it ideal? nope. Is it “freeriding” nope. There is no way out beyond just dying on the street… so the best you can do is to get yourself back… and then of course you get yourself adapted to that life, those rules, those norms. Slowly the life in a cell and not in a comfy room in your home does not seem that bad. i mean… compared to sleep on the street in the cold and rain… the fact that there is no way out is the saddest part of it. So now putting homeless people behind bars… well… we will now intentionally put them on the same path… not helping them… but to turn them into criminals… and the cost of all that is now 100% the tax payers… which is ironic because this government seems to be dead set on cutting benefits for everyone… and yet we are going to create the most expensive one because you smell. note: being in prison is not a benefit, but we could pay for these people’s housing and some … and it would be still cheaper than keeping them locked away… “noone is left behind” (aka; you all go to jail)
I agree it's not profitable to neocons but surely the expense they go to trying to blame/cover and isolate is expensive. Will imprisonment only occur in the cbd of London or all areas. Will they push the problems to the outer suburbs and rural areas?
Listening to homeless people's stories it's rarely about money. It's about becoming isolated and alone. With no network for support it's incredibly difficult to navigate the low points in your life. People used to live with their families, in multi generational homes, in a community where everyone knew their name. There were no homeless then.
Because the politicians are the ones making the rules. Why would they outlaw something they all do? To a one, every member of parliament is some mix of inept, corrupt, and outright malicious.
Because they write the laws and vote on them. Why would they ever write one which could convict themselves? It'd never get further than a first reading. We can demand, till we are blue in the face, but being a "self-serving cockwombe" is synonymous with modern British politicians.
@@SteveWhippIt’s almost like giving anyone power corrupts them and makes them act in their own self-interest so the proposal of a “democratic state” is conclusively a failure.
I work with the homeless and the most vulnerable in society and they are terrified. Terrified. Imagine frightening people who are at their most in need. DISGUSTING.
Unfortunately the Labour Party won’t be much better, tbh I think even worse… money rules and they all have too much of it. As long as this is the thing they never will do laws that put them into a bad position but us because we pay for them
@@sc29607 Yes, if we think back to "new Labour" and how they ruled by communication and not by actions. I see the same issue, but not as extreme, in Denmark (and rest of Europe) where all parties suck up to the middle elctorate and only try to pleace that group without going after the extreme rich...
They are all the same regardless of party, the only interest these people have is maintaining their comfortable little lives, they have zero clue or experience with hardship and financial struggles and dont care to try to understand given they think we are all scum and below them
I was homeless for 5 years. I mean living in a cardboard box in winter level of homeless. Speaking as someone who has gone through homelessness and experienced the worst which that can bring, locking them up and punishing the most vulnerable of people is not the answer. Compassion and empathy is. Having real solutions is. Rehab, supported living, are the answers. I will never understand why people vote tory. I will never understand it.
Both parties are as bad as each other. I remember Labour feeding at the trough during the Blair years. I remember the utter disdain that the Tories had for the common man during the Major years. And then, I had enough of being a tax-slave to people who hate me. I emigrated in 2015 to central Europe. No regrets. "A plague o' both your houses." - Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet.
@@threethrushes Homelessness dropped considerably under the last Labour government because they addressed many of the problems that often lead to it and had support for those who fell through the cracks so to speak. The health and social care sectors were funded far better than they are now, or were before them. They weren't perfect, no government is, but they're far, far, FAR less shitty than the Tories. History has proven this time and time again. Tories break things, Labour get in and fix it, people get bored or complain they aren't being fixed fast enough, then vote Tory again. Rinse and repeat. We're a stupid country as a whole, always voting against our best interests. Just look at Brexit.
I can understand the rich voting Tory, what I don't understand is how a normal working class person can vote tory, its like turkeys voting for Christmas.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Let’s not forget that a large number of homeless are ex-military, with numerous reasons for ending up where they are. Many broken systems letting down those who deserve better. Well done Tories.
nothing new. That's literally what zero tolerance drug laws are. Make peoples' coping strategies illegal. In america they've used that to make a hidden slave state of forced labour where prisoners are responsible for a significant proprtion of american manufacturing GDP for which they are paid literal cents a day.
Except that if you help the homeless back into society, they'll be able to pay into the economy, so indirectly someone is making a profit. (Even if they're on benefits, instead of in decent-enough-to-not-need-benefits paying work, they're still using government money to pay for things, which goes into the economy. Which in turn goes into shareholders pockets, many shareholders of which just happen to be in the government. Hence, profit).
They see all public services as an inconvenience. No one can get rich out of them. That's why all of our public services in this country are failing, every single one through lack of investment and neglect. They do not care one jot. Once they can show public owned services have failed it paves the way to privatisation. They would privatise it all if they could, NHS, Schools, social services, the police, fire service. They see them as a burden.
@@neilbirch8431I have friends who can back this up (I’m aware this is anecdotal evidence but it’s been official policy for most of my life) i.e. that every public service, whether healthcare, education or anything else, is viewed as a cost to be minimised, and governments are ‘successful’ based on how little they spend while still keeping the institution afloat.
@@neilbirch8431True, but it doesn't make sense. If it was profitable, it wouldn't be a public service. Privatising a public service doesn't make it profitable. One could go full Fascist and say that if it isn't profitable, it isn't needed anyway. But that would be ignoring that public services also benefit the private sector, in that it saves them expenses and supplies them with workers and paying customers.
@@davidwuhrer6704 of course it does, the company let's say Police UK would be a private company and run for profit. Employees would be on short term contracts at 20k a year, it would be run as cheaply as possible. Individuals would pay for police attendance to their crimes. The contacts would be given to mates of the politicians and they would all have shares in the company. They can then manipulate the share price whenever they wanted. Just look at privatised prisons in this country. A race to the bottom, riddled with corruption because employees are not valued and paid poorly. I also don't think the owners of private hospitals in the USA are complaining about their profits. If you can't afford treatment! Tough!
Said with passion, you're absolutely correct. To be Conservative nowadays is shameful and the whole self-serving low tax for millionaires bollocks needs criminalising.
I feel terrible passing beggars, how am I supposed to explain to them that I'm about £200 away from being in their position each month. This country is just horrible now, what the Tories have done to us is horrible.
I've watched a fair bit of Rishi Sunak recently and he seems to answer almost every question directed at him with something like, "That's true but at least I am delivering for the British people." He's not yet, in my experience, given an explanation of exactly what he is delivering.
He's delivering a dystopian nightmare whereby the 5% get to watch, with great amusement, the other 95% fight and scrap each other over the crumbs from their table..We still live in a feudal system in this country and it has been thus since the dark ages.
I volunteer with a charity that helps homeless and the vulnerably housed (those close to homelessness). They lost all government funding so rely solely on donations and volunteers. No one person I have spoken to who uses this charities services are there as a lifestyle choice. They have been failed.
I talked to a chap the other day. He's been homeless for half a dozen or more years. He said he had trouble with addiction for a long time, including when he was living with his mum, and acting as her carer. When she died, one of his brothers proposed a trust find for him (from the inheritance) that would pay a living allowance weekly. But in the end another brother arranged for his inheritance to simply "disappear".
Plenty empty houses that a quick fix up could house a good amount of homeless people. Have some donations to pay for their water bill so they can have a shower and a working toilet and there you go. Half the issue solved, since they'd have an address they can get mail which means they can apply for jobs etc etc
Unfortunately most of the prisons are privatised, or have partially privatised some services.. So criminalising homelessness is good for shareholders. About the only thing the Conservatives care about.
@@stevegaulter1437 There's also the part where there aren't actually enough prisons either, because that's yet another sector the Tories have run into the ground and not bothered to build more of. Like homes.
It's like their genius plan to send people to the middle of Africa for the crime of being foreign and crossing over the channel on a small boat. They may as well give every single one of these people they intend on sending there £2million. It'd be cheaper. At least then when the Daily Heil report lies that immigrants are all given free houses and cars, it will actually be true.
They closed 95% of the public toilets in England. And you try asking to use the loo in an establishment, if you're homeless. There is an obvious consequence to doing this, and they'll damn sure keep fining you if you don't go in your trousers.
@@MortMe0430 Indeed. And, even more astounding, like all sadists, they enjoy it. It is "cruel and unusual punishment" for the completely innocent, like some Tory sport. NONE of this makes them sad. That would require empathy, which they do not possess.
Punishing the poorest while rewarding the greediest and richest is really screwed up. The voters who support this and the present government are just as culpable and guilty.
Perhaps some of the politicians should go out and sleep rough for a month without any help and see how they feel about it then. No washing, no clean clothes, no medical help, no nothing apart from abuse. See how they feel after that! God it makes me sick!!!
Was homeless in America for two years. I am no addict. I hold four university degrees. I could no longer afford housing after greedy wankers bought up the town and raised rents. It's disgusting how snooty and heartless the new wealthy people are when they don't want the homeless on the streets because it negatively affects tourism. I was 70 when I went homeless.
@cantin8697 Someone who is over 70 years old grew up in a time when tuition fees were a couple hundred per year. My dad made enough money working for the post office in the summer to pay for his whole year. Meanwhile I make $150k a year, and the other day I thought about maybe getting a law degree again, and realized I can't afford law school. It's four times more expensive than it was 15 years ago the last time I thought about it.
@cantin8697 scholarships. Paid zero for my MFA degree as the university paid for housing, tuition, everything including a trip to Italy for research My first bachelors was a zillion years ago when state tuition was $95/semester. Got one grad loan to get me thru a summer. Paid it off in 6 months after I graduated. Worked my freaking ass off for those degrees. . 😆 🤣
It isn't a solution to the problem, and wasn't intended to be one. It's a desperate dog whistle, to rally a few last votes from anyone who is stupid enough to think that criminalising a behavior is a necessary and sufficient condition to expunge it from society.
I'd make a joke about criminalizing a behaviour that isn't deterrable through punishment to highlight the absurdity but It is hard to remember a behaviour that someone hasn't tried to criminalise. How about vomiting. Imagine criminalizing vomiting?
@@seekingabsolution1907 it's on the same level tbh. Being homeless is an affliction. It's like criminalising someone for leaving tire marks when they go past in their wheelchair. Absurd, cruel, and totally in keeping with the essence of the modern Tory party.
I have a feeling that they don't actually want to be reelected. They're trying to get everyone to vote Labour, so that they're the ones who have to announce the end of the nhs & other public services. They've brought this country to its knees & they know it
Life choices landed me in Germany 30+ yrs ago. Moving from London to a small provincial city, was a shock. But i'm continually in shock at what my family n friends have to deal with in the UK. As always i start laughing at Jonathans character ripping into a theme, but mostly the smiles slid off my face after a minute or 2. Respect...all power to your arm 🙏✊️
Becoming homeless can happen to anyone at anytime. It doesn’t discriminate. Besides incarceration (prison) or being forced to be a refugee, being homeless rates in the top three of worst outcomes I can imagine happening in my life. Thank you once more Jonathan. Wish there were more honest people like you.
It is called 'responsibilisation' in sociology (and critical criminology). The government makes you responsible for not having a job when there are none - even though it is their job to ensure the economy flourishes and so jobs are aplenty (just one example).
I live in a monarchy, and am usually with you on the 'don't they have enough money already?' side. However this queen reigned a commonwealth of over 50 countries for more than 70 years. Assuming your figure of $ 200 million is correct, that's about £ 165 million. So about 2,5 pounds per Briton, or about 4 pounds per supporter of the monarchy. Imo that's acceptable, as I see this as the single most positive moment / gathering of the last decade with regard to British standing or influence in the world. Many foreigners love British Royalty, so this might actually be a pretty good investment.
I know loads of ex-Servicemen who sleep on the street. They have been let down by multiple governments over the years, all ignored the Forces Covenant. Many of these ex-Servicemen have PTSD from their service and this leads to major mental health issues. So much for Care in the Community that Tony Bliar brought in.
I'm sorry mate but care in the community started with Major. I remember the sick joke at the time 'care in the community', one that clearly doesn't care as homelessness grew. When Blair came in, the number of homeless on the streets definitely reduced in my area. '
I sympathise with all that you said except your incorrect statement that Blair brought in Care in the Community. The Care In The Community Act was voted through Parliament in 1990 (not sure if it was in Thatcher's or Major's time as PM - Major replaced Thatcher in 1990) and it was implemented in 1993 under Major, four years before Labour were voted in. That said, Blair didn't repeal or improve it significantly.
The government has really called things more difficult for its citizens, and we can't sit back and bear all the consequences of the bad governance. It's obvious we are headed for inflation,it is always the poor who take the hit.
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The way the Conservative Party works, is they take a basic idea that people want, and they somehow, turn it into the worst possible variation of that basic idea and then act like they’ve solved the problem.
That is also BOTH parties in the US. They continuously choose the worst possible options in THE MOST expensive way possible! It is ALL now beyond asinine and is just plain evil and needlessly cruel (with all of the power formerly associated with those words, before they were watered down by propaganda, intended here) JUST because they can...and...BONUS... they also made themselves and their inherent criminality completely legal, but for anyone who is NOT chosen to be ok by them (mostly financiers and the other big's who make the world a much worse place in every way possible), however they find to survive inside of the uber-creepy new world order, is made COMPLETELY criminalized! But by them? no price will ever be paid, they just stay in their militarily-protected bubble, on the very taxpayers that they are purposefully destroying.
They act like they've solved the problem that they themselves created by saying they are making the biggest investments in history after they made the biggest cuts in history to that same department a few years earlier ! Their 'investments' are just a percentage of the cuts they made yet they seem to think that's the best thing to do and are surprised when people call them liars and only doing it to improve their image !
It takes more effort for them to do the worse thing in almost all situations when they're making policies. They have to go out of their way to be cruel, but that's the point. To be cruel.
I was a police officer in Brighton. I ran a shift and my superintendent passed me the problem of 'offensive rough sleepers' causing problems in a grassed area in town, denying tourists a place to enjoy. They often got drunk and swore. Rather than heavy-handed policing, I dedicated two police officers, with a sergeant to overview, and within a couple of months they were all but gone, but not by arresting them or making their lives a misery, but by organising local support groups for the down and outs, including churches, the brilliant Sally Ann, and such. They got fed, they got housed. Many had things they could do with their time. The calls to our control room of people behaving badly dropped to all but inconsequential. The success of the little venture surprised me as well as my superintendent. The two officers garnered a lot of intelligence from these 'smelly people' and a murder suspect was named and with a location in Scotland, within two days of the body being found. The incident room had no suspect. It was such a brilliant idea that the superintendent stepped in, saying it was a waste of police time, so I took them off what was then intelligence gathering and by the next summer, the problem had returned. Whatever. But if two police officers can do that, then why not a dedicated team from each council bothered by the consequence of government decisions? I used to be more or less apolitical. I'd vote for the person most likely to help my constituency. Not any more. Anything but the tory bastards.
The concept of aporophobia was coined by the philosopher Dr Adela Cortina in 1995 and entered the Spanish RAE dictionary in 2017, defined as a "phobia of poor and disadvantaged people." According to Dr Cortina herself, aporophobia refers to a "rejection, aversion, fear, and contempt towards the poor and the helpless..."
@@jasonuren3479 it seems to apply to a lot of people on the right of politics. Meanwhile on the extreme left they seem to venerate the dispossessed which is equally moronic
@@hippo319 Not sure if the soviets even count as left anymore in today's moronic ideological climate, but they criminalized being homeless too, so I find the notion of the left going the opposite way is somewhat funny to me.
@@therocketboostDo you blame him? You've got toxic twats on both sides of the divide who just love the opportunity to pile on to those with different perspectives.
@@therocketboost it’s almost as though, as a content creator, he’s focusing on producing the content he wants to produce and is talking about the topics that he feels he can contribute something useful to…
i heard that ex servicemen have had their pension stripped as they have increased the service period from a min of 3 years to 5 years to get it. Shocking !
I love the way he tells it how it is, and then signs of by telling it how they want it to be told: "it's always a difficult tightrope [...] , but many think this bill goes too far"
If they try to get some shelter in a tent, it's very likely that the local council will clear THAT away and destroy their few posiessions. I think even DICKINS himself would be shocked that Britain has actually got WORSE since his time.
Apparently the council had to come out and say they had noting to do with it, it was apparently all arranged by the delinquent bums and stiffs in westminster. Anyone who thought that theft was illegal, even for the political pipsqueaks, hasn't been following the news.
Social care in the UK: It's the safety net that's been patched more times than a favorite old quilt. Who's stitching up solutions to ensure dignity and support for all?
Margaret Thatcher once said "There is no such thing as community" implying that it's every man/woman for him/herself. Later, she abandoned the disadvantaged to "Care in the community", thereby creating the problem. I bet she was really pleased with herself
Fining the destitute is a proud old tradition in the States, but even we keep it down around $500. Wtf, UK. Fining the homeless is just clinically insane.
Nailed it, as we in Australia just experienced at Bondi Junction where I used to frequent Daily, The 40 yr old Male was homeless and suffered mental Health issues from his teens Should not of occurred But did This will be issue.for Every one Every day
I served in the Army for 7 years. I became homeless the moment I left. They'd better not give me a weapon again,as I can't guarantee it's won't be aimed at them💯🇬🇧💂
I'm an American been living in New Zealand for the past 7yrs--the number of people declaring themselves to be "not Royalists" makes me think they'd all make grand Yankees circa 1776!
Is this seriously happening? If they gave everyone access to bathrooms (in shelters, for example), then there may be a conversation to be had about what to do when some people refuse (though imprisoning them still seems a bit much). But while they don’t have much of a choice, how can you punish them? This is getting more and more dystopian.
Exactly. The fines ... just cruel and punitive and frankly evil damanding anything at all let alone what they cannot give and causing great hardship on an already very hard situation. How does that help anything? How much real suffering to they want to inflict? The idea of it being a deterrent - a sham. Implying these people have a choice when in their current circumstances they obviously do not.
I work a full time job at above minimum wage and that fine would even fuck me over for a couple of months, never mind someone who has literally nothing but the clothes on their back.
Whilst brutally honest and factual as always, I wept when you described the realities of homelessness. I see it daily here, in the good ol' USA. Thank you.
this country is medieval in its attitude , a total disgrace i am ashamed to witness these crimes against decent human beings ... if they were cute puppies or kittens people would be up in arms Celebrities would offer one of there many homes .... no they already did this but not for our own people
Here in the United States, we used to have institutions for the poor, institutions for mentallly ill, institutions for the under educated, etc. These institutions were often brutal and horrific, but at least we realized that different social problems require different approaches. Today, we have increasingly decided that there need be only one institution, the criminal justice system with the penitentaries.
@@peterburgess5974 As an American, I will not speak for the UK. The point is, if I need to belabor the point, is that the proposed law described here seems to parallel the propensity of American government authorities to criminalize every social problem, especially those regarding the poor.
Nearly everything wrong & bad with this government isn’t by accident, but by design! Sky high fuel bills, yet oil companies & providers post record profits! Cost of living crisis, yet supermarkets are posting record profits! And don’t get me started on the small boat crossings!!!
I met a Big Issue seller who was this close to finally getting a home. He tried to get onto benefits to stabilise his income while trying to secure accommodation. He was told he was classed as self employed so no benefits for him, move on. He lost the chance of getting a home shortly afterwards due to being "self-employed" as a Big Issue seller.
We have Charles Booth's poverty maps of 1889 to thank for moralising about poverty and disadvantage. Setting out to prove poverty was not as bad as some were claiming, he found more poverty in London than had been suggested. However, because there was lots of alcohol use with these impoverished populations, he decided they must have brought this fate upon themselves. No consideration for the fact that people with such difficult lives might be numbing the pain. No proof of cause or correlation, just 'his opinion' and it has stuck.
Sadly that is just an example of what 'politics' is; 'opinions'. It is what we resort to when we don't know, and if some bloody intellectual finds out and tells us we resort to Ideology (lots of big words, in other contexts it is called obfuscation). We actually know about the condition these people are suffering from, neurologically it shows up as shrivelled connections between the amygdala and other brain regions, Frans De Walls research suggests the root cause is likely poor parenting. One has to be careful explaining this to the afflicted, it frightens them and that tends to result in vindictive aggression.
What has become of Great Britain... I, as a German, admired the British for several good reasons, I was thankful that Brits helped to rid Europe from Nazis and Faschists, for their culture, I admired there politeness. Nowadays only money counts. What kind of a rich society have we now? Where we have a few billionaires and millions of poor people. I cannot believe what Jonathan said..., that people can be punished for not having a shower, or a home... in one of the oldest democracies in the world...!!!! Did Jonathan talk about Russia? What kind of society do we have - but not only in Great Britain...
The UK lost it's way a generation or two back, and it isn't trending in a positive direction. The greedy few decided to enrich themselves at the expense of everyone else. They demoralised the population with unfettered immigration. They anaesthetised the population with Netflix, Primark, and reality TV. They bribed the middle classes with higher house prices. I emigrated in 2015.
I'm the emperor of homelessness...some of us aren't slaves..I live in a wardrobe.always available for work...cheers Mr pie for your kindness.blessings.
Being fined for having no money is probably the most Tory thing I have ever heard of.
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Illegals getting hotels. I seen it myself.
My coworker is Ukrainian woman with 2 kids, she gets her subsidised living in UK home and she's working in Tesco. Last month she went to Ukraine to see her husband and dentist for kids.
And I'm also working as truck driver in Tesco, I pay UK taxes over 16 years and I still cannot afford UK mortgage.
@@yannikoloff7659illegals aren’t getting hotels. Asylum seekers aren’t illegal. Illegal immigrants get deported.
That’s black and white by the way, not an opinion.
If you have an issue with asylum seekers being in hotels, maybe look at the government who are deliberately processing them 10x slower than last time we had roughly the same number.
@@yannikoloff7659 'Weapons 4 Ukraine (& military industrial complex)' -- the 6 min 14 sec video by Matt Orfalea and the 1.28 'George Carlin on Our Similarities' by Ammar Khan
@@yannikoloff7659 You are full of shite! A product of Murdoch, Barclay Brothers and the Tory Propaganda Machine! Try thinking for yourself (if you are capable) for once!
I once used to watch Jonathan Pie for a bit of a giggle, increasingly he just sounds like the one sane voice screaming into the cacophony of insanity that is modern politics.
I was just about to say the same thing. The outrage used to be satirical, now it’s actual commentary. We need Pie to stand in an actual election, if only to be the Malcolm Tucker the country needs.
It's what happens when the absurd becomes the every day. Tories have managed to deprive him of satirical fodder.
Yeah - it used to feel a bit edgy.. now he's just saying what we are all thinking. Our government won't last another decade in the state it's in.
He'd make a far better PM than anyone on offer from the standing parties. His debates would be FIRE, too.
At this point, it’s not even satire. It’s news without a swear filter
Hows about instead we fine MP's £2.5k each any every time someone becomes homeless in their constituency...i bet i'd be fixed real quick then.
Wow! That's an excellent idea; 👌🙏⚖️
Brilliant!
I love it.
Not a bad idea on the surface. You likley couldn't fine the individual, in some London boroughs that'd be prohibitively expensive. So you fine the parties, now you're fining "left" wing parties more than right. So you fine the council, now you're taking even more money from poor areas......
Why not tax the wealthiest and house homeless people?
Yes it's long overdue. Half the Toraidh cabinet
Yet again, Johnathan Pie totally nails it. This bill just showst how disgusting the conservative party really is.They truly are the excrement on the shoes of Britain.
Yeah obviously it's just the Tories. Old screeching Angie lets them stay in her empty house.
Even the Victorians provided "wash and brush up" facilities for the homeless.
Sadly the last of the old Public Baths were done away with in the later 1970s, mostly to be replaced by the corporate retail outlets that crushed family owned shops (the cornerstone of commerce) out of existence. I would never have run a shop, too damned hard, but I miss having them around. It's all getting a bit Soviet in the UK these days, dull, grey and inhumane, but the left and right do tend to 'meet round the back' to reassure one another of the virtues of totalitarianism.
Bath houses were pretty common back then too in working class areas.
It ain't Victorian times mate. If you think 2024 is a fair comparison then learn more!
@@Norfolkandchance886 I don't know, it feels like they're trying to take us back to those times. Jacob Rees-mog is directly out of the 19th century. The Right Honourable Member for 1852.
And public toilets. They're nearly all closed in the UK now. That was for our benefit. Not mine getting nicked for peeing in a back lane after midnight 😂😂😂
price everyone out of their homes and jobs, make homelessness illegal. thanks, tories
Austerity for us but not for them.
You'd think they were trying to make a reserve army of cheap prison labour like what the Americans have.
@@seekingabsolution1907 the American plantation owners learned to appreciate prison labor back during the colonial days, when the UK government would round-up the Irish and send them over as indentured political prisoners.
One day, it will be illegal to vote Tory & believing the Fascist Press. Let's hope it comes 🙏
Why the sarcasm? All problems solved: The rich got much richer and the poor, well, they just, ehm, vanish. 🤡
To criminalise the homeless is a deeply shocking and offensive policy.
sounds good for Daily Mail readers.
Says who? I’ve never met anyone who would even think of such a thing. stop talking shite.
@@patriciasanderson2171 Shut up, Patricia.
Yet it has been a consistent thing in Britain for nearly 200 years. No one alive today has lived in a time when being homeless was not a serious crime in Britain.
You are deemed a 'Vagrant' if you don't have a penny to your name, hence why many give a penny to them.
I work in a mental health hospital. A while back I encountered a lad on the ward I went to school with. He'd been in and out prison from when we left school some 20 years ago. When he was discharged he would commit offences that he knew would get him sent back to prison. I asked why he wanted to be in prison. "I know the rules there, I know what to expect. I've known nothing else." Essentially the guy had become institutionalised. The only other time I have encountered such levels of institutionalisation is when I cared for people who had been in the old long stay hospitals (asylums essentially) or one woman who I cared for years ago who had been moved around 5 different concentration camps as a child.
Even Enoch Powell saw the harm such institutionalisation had done. We can debate all day about the the rights and wrongs of his approach to that, but, at least he recognised a problem. These Tories - and I would argue every neolib from Thatcher onward (inc Blair and Starmer) - fails to see how anybody could turn a profit from it so don't bother.
We should be dealing with this because these a people with lives and we should be recognising their humanity.
"Evil begins when you start to treat people as things" - Terry Pratchett.
lets not forget; in prison, while its not a nice experience; you have access to basic amenities. Water, food and shelter. If you are homeless; your chance of getting a job is slim. If you have been incarcerated, its even worse.
So then what? you can choose between rough sleeping and being targeted and hurt… or… get back behind bars.
Is it ideal? nope. Is it “freeriding” nope. There is no way out beyond just dying on the street… so the best you can do is to get yourself back… and then of course you get yourself adapted to that life, those rules, those norms. Slowly the life in a cell and not in a comfy room in your home does not seem that bad. i mean… compared to sleep on the street in the cold and rain…
the fact that there is no way out is the saddest part of it.
So now putting homeless people behind bars… well… we will now intentionally put them on the same path… not helping them… but to turn them into criminals…
and the cost of all that is now 100% the tax payers… which is ironic because this government seems to be dead set on cutting benefits for everyone… and yet we are going to create the most expensive one because you smell.
note: being in prison is not a benefit, but we could pay for these people’s housing and some … and it would be still cheaper than keeping them locked away…
“noone is left behind” (aka; you all go to jail)
I agree it's not profitable to neocons but surely the expense they go to trying to blame/cover and isolate is expensive.
Will imprisonment only occur in the cbd of London or all areas. Will they push the problems to the outer suburbs and rural areas?
Listening to homeless people's stories it's rarely about money. It's about becoming isolated and alone. With no network for support it's incredibly difficult to navigate the low points in your life. People used to live with their families, in multi generational homes, in a community where everyone knew their name. There were no homeless then.
Love Enoch and Terry! 😊
I don’t only blame Tory MPs, I blame the media and the millions of people who VOTE for them. It’s disgusting.
Don't forget the electoral system that gave the tories power with a minority of the vote.
Yeah Labour will be better.
"More Dickensian than, well, Dickens could have imagined" beautiful summary of 2024
Why don't we criminalise what our politicians get up to...insider trading , lying etc and demand from them levels of integrity they must achieve
Because the politicians are the ones making the rules.
Why would they outlaw something they all do?
To a one, every member of parliament is some mix of inept, corrupt, and outright malicious.
Because they write the laws and vote on them. Why would they ever write one which could convict themselves? It'd never get further than a first reading. We can demand, till we are blue in the face, but being a "self-serving cockwombe" is synonymous with modern British politicians.
Money gets them into power and keeps them out of prison. Same here, USA.
👏👏👏👏👏 Exactly!!!❤
@@SteveWhippIt’s almost like giving anyone power corrupts them and makes them act in their own self-interest so the proposal of a “democratic state” is conclusively a failure.
I work with the homeless and the most vulnerable in society and they are terrified. Terrified. Imagine frightening people who are at their most in need. DISGUSTING.
It's abuse
Following the Canadian model... who's puppet is Trudeau though 🤔
@@PaulBonnar-b8tnobody cares
Maybe this time they attempted to frighten the wrong individual. Show em your teeth 😎
Keep up the good work my friend 🫶
I have homeless friends in London. Some of their stories would make you cry...the tories absolutely disgust me.
Unfortunately the Labour Party won’t be much better, tbh I think even worse… money rules and they all have too much of it. As long as this is the thing they never will do laws that put them into a bad position but us because we pay for them
I hope you let them stay at your place from time to time.
@@sc29607 Yes, if we think back to "new Labour" and how they ruled by communication and not by actions. I see the same issue, but not as extreme, in Denmark (and rest of Europe) where all parties suck up to the middle elctorate and only try to pleace that group without going after the extreme rich...
@@sc29607how surprising! Whataboutery from a pseudonym account. The bots showing desperation?
They are all the same regardless of party, the only interest these people have is maintaining their comfortable little lives, they have zero clue or experience with hardship and financial struggles and dont care to try to understand given they think we are all scum and below them
I was homeless for 5 years. I mean living in a cardboard box in winter level of homeless. Speaking as someone who has gone through homelessness and experienced the worst which that can bring, locking them up and punishing the most vulnerable of people is not the answer. Compassion and empathy is. Having real solutions is. Rehab, supported living, are the answers. I will never understand why people vote tory. I will never understand it.
Both parties are as bad as each other.
I remember Labour feeding at the trough during the Blair years.
I remember the utter disdain that the Tories had for the common man during the Major years.
And then, I had enough of being a tax-slave to people who hate me.
I emigrated in 2015 to central Europe.
No regrets.
"A plague o' both your houses." - Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet.
@@threethrushes Homelessness dropped considerably under the last Labour government because they addressed many of the problems that often lead to it and had support for those who fell through the cracks so to speak. The health and social care sectors were funded far better than they are now, or were before them. They weren't perfect, no government is, but they're far, far, FAR less shitty than the Tories. History has proven this time and time again. Tories break things, Labour get in and fix it, people get bored or complain they aren't being fixed fast enough, then vote Tory again. Rinse and repeat. We're a stupid country as a whole, always voting against our best interests. Just look at Brexit.
@@TalesOfWar well said! 👏
@@R-A-Allanwere you a drug addict?
I can understand the rich voting Tory, what I don't understand is how a normal working class person can vote tory, its like turkeys voting for Christmas.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Let’s not forget that a large number of homeless are ex-military, with numerous reasons for ending up where they are. Many broken systems letting down those who deserve better. Well done Tories.
Most of the time its just drug addicts
Make people poor and miserable, and then declare that being poor and miserable is a crime.
Genius.
Failure to comply with the Happiness Act is treason, or something.
nothing new. That's literally what zero tolerance drug laws are.
Make peoples' coping strategies illegal.
In america they've used that to make a hidden slave state of forced labour where prisoners are responsible for a significant proprtion of american manufacturing GDP for which they are paid literal cents a day.
Don’t forget to tell them loudly and often that it’s all the immigrant’s fault.
@@jonbell3020
Yes, that one immigrant... it's their fault...
XD jk.
@@alansmithee419 are you having a pop at my apostrophe?…😂😂😂
Having been homeless through no fault of my own I can't, well actually can, believe how evil the nasty party is 🤬🤬🤬🤬
Stay strong, friend. 🫶
they have only just started.
@@bigpants6121 Really? I thought Labour is about to sweep to power?
Me too, mate, but lets not pretend Labour did anything about it either. Keep fighting buddy.
@@AlexSmith-nq6uc perhaps you did not listen to this clip. Labour were not mentioned at all.
George Carlin said it best - They will never help the homeless cause it doesn't make a profit.
Except that if you help the homeless back into society, they'll be able to pay into the economy, so indirectly someone is making a profit.
(Even if they're on benefits, instead of in decent-enough-to-not-need-benefits paying work, they're still using government money to pay for things, which goes into the economy. Which in turn goes into shareholders pockets, many shareholders of which just happen to be in the government. Hence, profit).
They see all public services as an inconvenience. No one can get rich out of them. That's why all of our public services in this country are failing, every single one through lack of investment and neglect. They do not care one jot. Once they can show public owned services have failed it paves the way to privatisation. They would privatise it all if they could, NHS, Schools, social services, the police, fire service. They see them as a burden.
@@neilbirch8431I have friends who can back this up (I’m aware this is anecdotal evidence but it’s been official policy for most of my life) i.e. that every public service, whether healthcare, education or anything else, is viewed as a cost to be minimised, and governments are ‘successful’ based on how little they spend while still keeping the institution afloat.
@@neilbirch8431True, but it doesn't make sense. If it was profitable, it wouldn't be a public service. Privatising a public service doesn't make it profitable.
One could go full Fascist and say that if it isn't profitable, it isn't needed anyway. But that would be ignoring that public services also benefit the private sector, in that it saves them expenses and supplies them with workers and paying customers.
@@davidwuhrer6704 of course it does, the company let's say Police UK would be a private company and run for profit. Employees would be on short term contracts at 20k a year, it would be run as cheaply as possible. Individuals would pay for police attendance to their crimes. The contacts would be given to mates of the politicians and they would all have shares in the company. They can then manipulate the share price whenever they wanted. Just look at privatised prisons in this country. A race to the bottom, riddled with corruption because employees are not valued and paid poorly.
I also don't think the owners of private hospitals in the USA are complaining about their profits. If you can't afford treatment! Tough!
So.... make it too expensive to have a job or a house and then make homelessness illegal. Well done Tories. Well done.
Needs to be mandatory that all MPs spend 2 weeks living on the streets with no support before taking office.
Said with passion, you're absolutely correct. To be Conservative nowadays is shameful and the whole self-serving low tax for millionaires bollocks needs criminalising.
I feel terrible passing beggars, how am I supposed to explain to them that I'm about £200 away from being in their position each month.
This country is just horrible now, what the Tories have done to us is horrible.
Tories? Dude, you have an uni-party just like the rest of the West. Please get some independents in or it's totalitarianism for you.
Vote reform 🇬🇧👍.
@@Tad1945those fascists will make life worse for the homeless and the country a whole.
@@Tad1945And voting for bigots helps how?
Tony B Liar is responsible for the invasion of immigrants . That alone has nearly bankrupt the UK . So labour have blood on their hands too
I've watched a fair bit of Rishi Sunak recently and he seems to answer almost every question directed at him with something like, "That's true but at least I am delivering for the British people."
He's not yet, in my experience, given an explanation of exactly what he is delivering.
A pizza topped with a glistening turd instead of pepperoni
He's delivering a dystopian nightmare whereby the 5% get to watch, with great amusement, the other 95% fight and scrap each other over the crumbs from their table..We still live in a feudal system in this country and it has been thus since the dark ages.
He's delivering a shitshow
He's delivering what his masters want him to. The 'man' won't even admit to knowing about C40, even though he's a bloody chairman ffs!! 🤨
Yep, or something about the Member for Islington North (Jeremy Corbyn).
I volunteer with a charity that helps homeless and the vulnerably housed (those close to homelessness). They lost all government funding so rely solely on donations and volunteers.
No one person I have spoken to who uses this charities services are there as a lifestyle choice. They have been failed.
I talked to a chap the other day. He's been homeless for half a dozen or more years. He said he had trouble with addiction for a long time, including when he was living with his mum, and acting as her carer. When she died, one of his brothers proposed a trust find for him (from the inheritance) that would pay a living allowance weekly. But in the end another brother arranged for his inheritance to simply "disappear".
Keeping people in prison costs over £40k. Surely it's cheaper to help these people.
Plenty empty houses that a quick fix up could house a good amount of homeless people. Have some donations to pay for their water bill so they can have a shower and a working toilet and there you go. Half the issue solved, since they'd have an address they can get mail which means they can apply for jobs etc etc
Unfortunately most of the prisons are privatised, or have partially privatised some services.. So criminalising homelessness is good for shareholders. About the only thing the Conservatives care about.
Sounds like a good business case@@stevegaulter1437
@@stevegaulter1437 There's also the part where there aren't actually enough prisons either, because that's yet another sector the Tories have run into the ground and not bothered to build more of. Like homes.
It's like their genius plan to send people to the middle of Africa for the crime of being foreign and crossing over the channel on a small boat. They may as well give every single one of these people they intend on sending there £2million. It'd be cheaper. At least then when the Daily Heil report lies that immigrants are all given free houses and cars, it will actually be true.
They closed 95% of the public toilets in England. And you try asking to use the loo in an establishment, if you're homeless. There is an obvious consequence to doing this, and they'll damn sure keep fining you if you don't go in your trousers.
The real reason they closed all the public conveniences was so there were fewer places they could get caught cottaging.🤣🤣
Go in trousers, fined for being smelly... check mate.
That is insane. The cruelty is astounding.
@@MortMe0430
Indeed. And, even more astounding, like all sadists, they enjoy it. It is "cruel and unusual punishment" for the completely innocent, like some Tory sport.
NONE of this makes them sad. That would require empathy, which they do not possess.
Back in the 1960's London had plenty of public facilities.
I was a voracious toilet trader.👌
Punishing the poorest while rewarding the greediest and richest is really screwed up. The voters who support this and the present government are just as culpable and guilty.
Perhaps some of the politicians should go out and sleep rough for a month without any help and see how they feel about it then. No washing, no clean clothes, no medical help, no nothing apart from abuse. See how they feel after that! God it makes me sick!!!
In 2010, the NHS had its highest approval rating ever.
This year it has the lowest ever.
I think that says a lot about the Tories.
Oh how I would love to hear you give that speech in Parliament. Bravo Tom!
I was thinking the same thing! if kerr starmer gave an address as half as good during PMQs it's be amazing
Was homeless in America for two years. I am no addict. I hold four university degrees. I could no longer afford housing after greedy wankers bought up the town and raised rents. It's disgusting how snooty and heartless the new wealthy people are when they don't want the homeless on the streets because it negatively affects tourism. I was 70 when I went homeless.
Grief. I really hope u are sorted now friend. It's a disgusting world atm
@cantin8697 Someone who is over 70 years old grew up in a time when tuition fees were a couple hundred per year. My dad made enough money working for the post office in the summer to pay for his whole year.
Meanwhile I make $150k a year, and the other day I thought about maybe getting a law degree again, and realized I can't afford law school. It's four times more expensive than it was 15 years ago the last time I thought about it.
@cantin8697 scholarships. Paid zero for my MFA degree as the university paid for housing, tuition, everything including a trip to Italy for research
My first bachelors was a zillion years ago when state tuition was $95/semester. Got one grad loan to get me thru a summer. Paid it off in 6 months after I graduated. Worked my freaking ass off for those degrees. . 😆 🤣
@@aluisious We lived in great times then. You could rent a place in Palo Alto for $300mo
@2239jules thank you. After 8 years on a waiting list, my name was selected for subsidized apartments right in town. I move at the end of the month!
It isn't a solution to the problem, and wasn't intended to be one. It's a desperate dog whistle, to rally a few last votes from anyone who is stupid enough to think that criminalising a behavior is a necessary and sufficient condition to expunge it from society.
I'd make a joke about criminalizing a behaviour that isn't deterrable through punishment to highlight the absurdity but It is hard to remember a behaviour that someone hasn't tried to criminalise. How about vomiting. Imagine criminalizing vomiting?
@@seekingabsolution1907 it's on the same level tbh. Being homeless is an affliction. It's like criminalising someone for leaving tire marks when they go past in their wheelchair. Absurd, cruel, and totally in keeping with the essence of the modern Tory party.
Tory Filth doing Tory Filth stuff.
@@DoubleDragon539 As per usual
I have a feeling that they don't actually want to be reelected. They're trying to get everyone to vote Labour, so that they're the ones who have to announce the end of the nhs & other public services. They've brought this country to its knees & they know it
"You gotta laugh otherwise you'll throw a brick." - painfully accurate 😅
Life choices landed me in Germany 30+ yrs ago.
Moving from London to a small provincial city, was a shock.
But i'm continually in shock at what my family n friends have to deal with in the UK.
As always i start laughing at Jonathans character ripping into a theme, but mostly the smiles slid off my face after a minute or 2.
Respect...all power to your arm 🙏✊️
The biggest stink arises from the tories themselves. This proposal is nastiness taken to a whole new level.
We need more Jonathan Pie !!!!
Even Pie’s cuffs are exploding with anger!
Because being homeless is a LIFESTYLE CHOICE. I still cannot believe they say this out loud.
How the h*ll have we ended up here in 2024?
Two and a half grand fine for not having access to a shower ❓
Politicians who come up with something like that are real stinkers ❗
I feel that came straight from the heart and not just as a satire bit. Which is 💯 correct.
"they haven't failed, they have been failed". Wise words and something the govt needs to accept
they`d need to care first before they accept
Becoming homeless can happen to anyone at anytime. It doesn’t discriminate. Besides incarceration (prison) or being forced to be a refugee, being homeless rates in the top three of worst outcomes I can imagine happening in my life. Thank you once more Jonathan. Wish there were more honest people like you.
The torries have reached their "let them eat cake" moment. In 2024. Jesus, what a world.
They'll be opening poor houses, work houses,prisons. Sounds like a Charles Dickons novel.
'We're not to blame, they are' is this government's slogan
"How to take responsibility, without taking responsibility."
Yep. Homeless. Foreign. Brown. EU. Young. It's always the fault of someone else when you're a Tory
usually they blame Putin, Covid and Corbyn.
It is called 'responsibilisation' in sociology (and critical criminology). The government makes you responsible for not having a job when there are none - even though it is their job to ensure the economy flourishes and so jobs are aplenty (just one example).
But they'll spend $200 million on Queen Elizabeth's funeral.
and give to their cronies,let off companies who fiddled money during COVID I could go on....
I live in a monarchy, and am usually with you on the 'don't they have enough money already?' side.
However this queen reigned a commonwealth of over 50 countries for more than 70 years. Assuming your figure of $ 200 million is correct, that's about £ 165 million.
So about 2,5 pounds per Briton, or about 4 pounds per supporter of the monarchy. Imo that's acceptable, as I see this as the single most positive moment / gathering of the last decade with regard to British standing or influence in the world. Many foreigners love British Royalty, so this might actually be a pretty good investment.
@@DreamteamCarlo 2.50p too much for me!
Mr Pie for PM ✊
If only! Gets my vote straight away! But, sadly, we don't live in a perfect world 😔
King Pie, sack the Charles
Tout à fait il a le profil et la force de conviction! Mister Pie is the best ever!!!
Thanks man, please keep doing what you're doing. This country and this world needs your voice ...
Thank you Jonathan for expressing this so perfectly
I know loads of ex-Servicemen who sleep on the street. They have been let down by multiple governments over the years, all ignored the Forces Covenant. Many of these ex-Servicemen have PTSD from their service and this leads to major mental health issues. So much for Care in the Community that Tony Bliar brought in.
I'm sorry mate but care in the community started with Major. I remember the sick joke at the time 'care in the community', one that clearly doesn't care as homelessness grew. When Blair came in, the number of homeless on the streets definitely reduced in my area. '
I sympathise with all that you said except your incorrect statement that Blair brought in Care in the Community. The Care In The Community Act was voted through Parliament in 1990 (not sure if it was in Thatcher's or Major's time as PM - Major replaced Thatcher in 1990) and it was implemented in 1993 under Major, four years before Labour were voted in. That said, Blair didn't repeal or improve it significantly.
It wasn't Bliar it was Thatcher in the 80's who started getting rid. A Tory, big surprise
The Tories gave us care in the community, not Blair.
Major brought in “care in the community”.
The government has really called things more difficult for its citizens, and we can't sit back and bear all the consequences of the bad governance. It's obvious we are headed for inflation,it is always the poor who take the hit.
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This sounds so good and I would like to be a party to this, is there any way I can speak with her?
The way the Conservative Party works, is they take a basic idea that people want, and they somehow, turn it into the worst possible variation of that basic idea and then act like they’ve solved the problem.
That is also BOTH parties in the US. They continuously choose the worst possible options in THE MOST expensive way possible! It is ALL now beyond asinine and is just plain evil and needlessly cruel (with all of the power formerly associated with those words, before they were watered down by propaganda, intended here) JUST because they can...and...BONUS... they also made themselves and their inherent criminality completely legal, but for anyone who is NOT chosen to be ok by them (mostly financiers and the other big's who make the world a much worse place in every way possible), however they find to survive inside of the uber-creepy new world order, is made COMPLETELY criminalized!
But by them? no price will ever be paid, they just stay in their militarily-protected bubble, on the very taxpayers that they are purposefully destroying.
They act like they've solved the problem that they themselves created by saying they are making the biggest investments in history after they made the biggest cuts in history to that same department a few years earlier ! Their 'investments' are just a percentage of the cuts they made yet they seem to think that's the best thing to do and are surprised when people call them liars and only doing it to improve their image !
Wait until you find out that's how the entirety of government works, Labour included.
Until you realize the two party system is actually a one party system you are hopeless in seeing what is really happening.
It takes more effort for them to do the worse thing in almost all situations when they're making policies. They have to go out of their way to be cruel, but that's the point. To be cruel.
'They are not the problem, they are a symptom of the problem.'
Not my words, but still very true.
I was a police officer in Brighton. I ran a shift and my superintendent passed me the problem of 'offensive rough sleepers' causing problems in a grassed area in town, denying tourists a place to enjoy. They often got drunk and swore. Rather than heavy-handed policing, I dedicated two police officers, with a sergeant to overview, and within a couple of months they were all but gone, but not by arresting them or making their lives a misery, but by organising local support groups for the down and outs, including churches, the brilliant Sally Ann, and such. They got fed, they got housed. Many had things they could do with their time. The calls to our control room of people behaving badly dropped to all but inconsequential. The success of the little venture surprised me as well as my superintendent. The two officers garnered a lot of intelligence from these 'smelly people' and a murder suspect was named and with a location in Scotland, within two days of the body being found. The incident room had no suspect. It was such a brilliant idea that the superintendent stepped in, saying it was a waste of police time, so I took them off what was then intelligence gathering and by the next summer, the problem had returned. Whatever. But if two police officers can do that, then why not a dedicated team from each council bothered by the consequence of government decisions? I used to be more or less apolitical. I'd vote for the person most likely to help my constituency. Not any more. Anything but the tory bastards.
Madre Teresa said it all "there is enough to feed the world but there isn't enough to satisfy the greedy "
I agree with the sentiment but the quote is from Gandhi.
Need Bob Geldof to put together another live aid show and make these twats feel good about themselves
And mother teresa is not a nice person when you dig even a little bit into her history
The concept of aporophobia was coined by the philosopher Dr Adela Cortina in 1995 and entered the Spanish RAE dictionary in 2017, defined as a "phobia of poor and disadvantaged people." According to Dr Cortina herself, aporophobia refers to a "rejection, aversion, fear, and contempt towards the poor and the helpless..."
Added to my lexicon. Thanks 👍
A good word with a disturbing meaning. Thanks.
@@jasonuren3479 it seems to apply to a lot of people on the right of politics. Meanwhile on the extreme left they seem to venerate the dispossessed which is equally moronic
@@hippo319 Not sure if the soviets even count as left anymore in today's moronic ideological climate, but they criminalized being homeless too, so I find the notion of the left going the opposite way is somewhat funny to me.
It seems to be the mantra of the Tory Party, that and contempt.
It’s a sign of the times that Pie is beyond comedy and now in the realms of political activism
Still won't mention Gaza or the UK's involvement though. That would hurt the ticket sales.
@@therocketboostDo you blame him? You've got toxic twats on both sides of the divide who just love the opportunity to pile on to those with different perspectives.
@@therocketboost it’s almost as though, as a content creator, he’s focusing on producing the content he wants to produce and is talking about the topics that he feels he can contribute something useful to…
Reminds me of another british "comedian", John Oliver.
@@thenapoleonicwars Naah. It's the wallet he's worried about.
As London Mayor Boris Johnson pledged to "eradicate rough sleeping in the capital" but ended up very nearly doubling it.
Utterly brilliant as always. Such a sorry state of affairs 😢
i heard that ex servicemen have had their pension stripped as they have increased the service period from a min of 3 years to 5 years to get it. Shocking !
The onloy ones affected by that are the ones still in service AFIAK, so youll need to stay in minimum 5 years instead of 3. thats what ive been told.
@@CragScramblerAnd that's probably to keep the numbers up because they're struggling to get recruits these days.
I love the way he tells it how it is, and then signs of by telling it how they want it to be told: "it's always a difficult tightrope [...] , but many think this bill goes too far"
Victimising victims is the tory way!
More like the nazi way
Don't you mean criminalising victims is the Tory way?
Love your channel, love your honest manner and your fact base rants, just wish you where an MP in parliament 🙏 keep up the truth-telling
"Clean water is human right" Nestle wants to have few words with Pie soon :D
You will be visited by three spirits, Mr Rees-Mogg. One of them will use your top hat for other than it's intended purpose...
If they try to get some shelter in a tent, it's very likely that the local council will clear THAT away and destroy their few posiessions. I think even DICKINS himself would be shocked that Britain has actually got WORSE since his time.
Apparently the council had to come out and say they had noting to do with it, it was apparently all arranged by the delinquent bums and stiffs in westminster. Anyone who thought that theft was illegal, even for the political pipsqueaks, hasn't been following the news.
Sometimes you make me choke up. Everything you said is absolute truth
'For they do not sleep unless they have done evil; And their sleep is taken away unless they make someone fall.'
Social care in the UK: It's the safety net that's been patched more times than a favorite old quilt. Who's stitching up solutions to ensure dignity and support for all?
Thanks Jonathan for taking this and making it part of your monologue. Shocking!!!
Margaret Thatcher once said "There is no such thing as community" implying that it's every man/woman for him/herself. Later, she abandoned the disadvantaged to "Care in the community", thereby creating the problem. I bet she was really pleased with herself
She was a treasure to be recognised with.
@@Tad1945I very nearly understood that. Would you like to try again?
@@cliffhughes6010Tad is a tory troll. Ignore the deluded fool.
@@cliffhughes6010 Mrs Thatcher was a National treasure ❤️.
@@Tad1945
She was an evil (unt.
Fining the destitute is a proud old tradition in the States, but even we keep it down around $500. Wtf, UK. Fining the homeless is just clinically insane.
They're literally fining people who have no money, for having no money.
Nailed it, as we in Australia just experienced at Bondi Junction where I used to frequent Daily,
The 40 yr old Male was homeless and suffered mental Health issues from his teens
Should not of occurred
But did
This will be issue.for Every one Every day
I served in the Army for 7 years. I became homeless the moment I left. They'd better not give me a weapon again,as I can't guarantee it's won't be aimed at them💯🇬🇧💂
How? you became homeless?
The story of humanity has always been weapons seldom being pointed at the people most deserving of it.
We're too busy propping up the Royal Family's palaces to fix homelessness 😡
I'm an American been living in New Zealand for the past 7yrs--the number of people declaring themselves to be "not Royalists" makes me think they'd all make grand Yankees circa 1776!
The country is more than wealthy enough to do both. But yes, fixing homelessness should come first.
Is this seriously happening?
If they gave everyone access to bathrooms (in shelters, for example), then there may be a conversation to be had about what to do when some people refuse (though imprisoning them still seems a bit much).
But while they don’t have much of a choice, how can you punish them?
This is getting more and more dystopian.
Welcome to the turd reich tory style.
yes it is sadly 😢😢
It isn't law yet, it's still a Bill and hasn't passed. There's a fairly large Tory backbench rebellion over it.
you keep hitting the nail on the head Jonathan....hope the public wake up to this Dickensian authoritarian direction before it becomes irreversible
Exactly. The fines ... just cruel and punitive and frankly evil damanding anything at all let alone what they cannot give and causing great hardship on an already very hard situation. How does that help anything? How much real suffering to they want to inflict? The idea of it being a deterrent - a sham. Implying these people have a choice when in their current circumstances they obviously do not.
I work a full time job at above minimum wage and that fine would even fuck me over for a couple of months, never mind someone who has literally nothing but the clothes on their back.
God bless all with peace, love, health, safety, prosperity, and protection!
Whilst brutally honest and factual as always, I wept when you described the realities of homelessness. I see it daily here, in the good ol' USA. Thank you.
I just wish pie would say what he feels 😂
this country is medieval in its attitude , a total disgrace i am ashamed to witness these crimes against decent human beings ... if they were cute puppies or kittens people would be up in arms Celebrities would offer one of there many homes .... no they already did this but not for our own people
Thank you darling man..thank you for caring ❤
The Most honest words you will Hear ! Show this man some support !! 🙌 ❤
This is how I like to start my weekend with a good rant from Mr. Pie.
A decent serving of Pie washed down with a few IPAs!
Next we'll be having Poor houses and Debtors prisons like in a Dickens novel.
How far this country has fallen !
Here in the United States, we used to have institutions for the poor, institutions for mentallly ill, institutions for the under educated, etc. These institutions were often brutal and horrific, but at least we realized that different social problems require different approaches. Today, we have increasingly decided that there need be only one institution, the criminal justice system with the penitentaries.
....and you don't think this existed in the UK? Who the heck gave you the ideas in the first place. Ad altiora!
@@peterburgess5974 As an American, I will not speak for the UK. The point is, if I need to belabor the point, is that the proposed law described here seems to parallel the propensity of American government authorities to criminalize every social problem, especially those regarding the poor.
@@bradypustridactylus488 Thanks for making that clear. Ad altiora!
Back with a bang. Everyone must vote to get these people out of power.
And people want to trust this bunch with OUR human rights, because yes believe it or not they're our rights too
Beyond ghoulish
That's why they want to revoke the laws that enshrine them.
Nearly everything wrong & bad with this government isn’t by accident, but by design!
Sky high fuel bills, yet oil companies & providers post record profits!
Cost of living crisis, yet supermarkets are posting record profits!
And don’t get me started on the small boat crossings!!!
"there's only so many Big Issues you can sell". point to Mr Pie
I met a Big Issue seller who was this close to finally getting a home. He tried to get onto benefits to stabilise his income while trying to secure accommodation. He was told he was classed as self employed so no benefits for him, move on. He lost the chance of getting a home shortly afterwards due to being "self-employed" as a Big Issue seller.
when I was a child my //////9born in Victorian days) great aunts, described Tories as "wicked"....how right they were....
Thank God for your passion Jonathan. Everything you have said applies to South Africa’s homeless problem where I live.
We have Charles Booth's poverty maps of 1889 to thank for moralising about poverty and disadvantage. Setting out to prove poverty was not as bad as some were claiming, he found more poverty in London than had been suggested. However, because there was lots of alcohol use with these impoverished populations, he decided they must have brought this fate upon themselves. No consideration for the fact that people with such difficult lives might be numbing the pain. No proof of cause or correlation, just 'his opinion' and it has stuck.
Sadly that is just an example of what 'politics' is; 'opinions'. It is what we resort to when we don't know, and if some bloody intellectual finds out and tells us we resort to Ideology (lots of big words, in other contexts it is called obfuscation). We actually know about the condition these people are suffering from, neurologically it shows up as shrivelled connections between the amygdala and other brain regions, Frans De Walls research suggests the root cause is likely poor parenting. One has to be careful explaining this to the afflicted, it frightens them and that tends to result in vindictive aggression.
I vote for the brick over the laugh.
What has become of Great Britain... I, as a German, admired the British for several good reasons, I was thankful that Brits helped to rid Europe from Nazis and Faschists, for their culture, I admired there politeness. Nowadays only money counts. What kind of a rich society have we now? Where we have a few billionaires and millions of poor people. I cannot believe what Jonathan said..., that people can be punished for not having a shower, or a home... in one of the oldest democracies in the world...!!!! Did Jonathan talk about Russia? What kind of society do we have - but not only in Great Britain...
The UK lost it's way a generation or two back, and it isn't trending in a positive direction.
The greedy few decided to enrich themselves at the expense of everyone else.
They demoralised the population with unfettered immigration.
They anaesthetised the population with Netflix, Primark, and reality TV.
They bribed the middle classes with higher house prices.
I emigrated in 2015.
I'm the emperor of homelessness...some of us aren't slaves..I live in a wardrobe.always available for work...cheers Mr pie for your kindness.blessings.
Sad thing is this no longer a comedy character - Pie is one of the few speaking truth to power, well... to us all.