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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ค. 2024
- Totally unbiased tier list
Team ranking after each explanation section.
Timestamp
00:00 How I decide the Rank and Tier
00:13 OG Vape
00:39 Better OG Vape
01:06 Premium Vape
01:56 Cheaper Premium Vape
02:54 F2P Melt
03:20 Premium Melt (Kaeya)
04:00 Premium Melt (Ayaka)
04:38 Nuke Vape
05:04 Premium Melt (Rosaria)
05:32 Layla Variant
05:57 Premium Melt (Ganyu)
06:21 Melt Dragonstrike
06:49 Double Hydro
07:26 Burgeon / Vape Burgeon
08:25 Barbara / Kokomi Variant
09:07 Bennett-Less Vape
09:58 Bennett-Less Melt
10:30 Mono Pyro / Burning
11:07 Physical Diluc
11:49 Tier List Result
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giga chad diluc main
Thanks alot for the vids! Really helped me with team building for abyss 12. Honestly i haven't even considered using barbara/layla so i'm giving them a go.
Keep up the good work!
Good work, I appreciate how in depth this is. I'll def be referring back to this video every now and then.
This is pretty awesome tbh !
Useful and answer some questions i had thnx 🤝
Very impressive guide! This will be very helpful as i want to try most variants
The thing I dislike the most about Diluc playstyle are the lack of resistance to interruption and the knockback from his E and Q. Really dedicated and cool video btw!
Couldn't agree more.
Though Diluc E has some kind of interrupt resist, it still annoying when our setup / DPS windows got interrupted by the even the smallest stagger.
This is also the main reason why I rate Layla, Diona, and Yanfei highly.
Their defensive utility can be life saver without needing to go try hard.
@@cavernman4739 thats why using xinquiu with him and bennet and kazuha/succrose can be better than using yelan if you dont know ennemy pattern or if there are a lot of ennemies that can interrupt you easily or if someone have skill issue.
@@user-hw1ln3ry9qHence why I added a statement on Yelan's ranking section regarding that exact issue you mentioned.
Great vid! helpful and informative 😊 and the verdicts 😆
I been using the og vape/nuke vape/vapeburgeon.
I agree on nukevape very easy to execute and also enjoyable because of how quickly you can do the rotation again.
Vapeburgeon is fun & satisfying to play. I just need to get nahida on her rerun but currently the DMC works quite well.
Been practicing melt comps, it's just that its difficult to execute and I'm having a hard time melting. But quite enjoys it seeing those big numbers when done right.
Can't wait on the release of furina and how will she work with diluc.
Thank you, you made me wanna play Diluc again 🙌
Love ur vid!!🥰
I needed this
Nice, will try some variant if i have free time ❤
You should, playing all kind of different team is fun!
Preach man, people out there don't learn the proper rotation and then proceeds to conclude that Diluc is trash. Some of them are not even swirling pyro so their Diluc ends up doing less than 20k vapes and they're somehow mad, lol.
Even a 20k non VV Vape for Diluc is low if He is inside Bennett Q 😅
Yeah, ikr. I'm just making a point. Casuals often fail to realize that XQ can complicate swirling that pyro. I've been there.
I got Hu Tao due to my Gacha addiction and I like Diluc wayyy more 😭
@@Graphfyyyyyyy My Hu Tao is C1 + Homa, but it boils down to your cup of tea in the end. My Hu Tao has been benched for months now, and the last time i used her for a clear was that time where the ruin snake was in the abyss. The auto target is just fckd up at times, that's why I dont use her often and stick to Diluc for my pyro DPS.
Nice tier list ❤
What do you think about Bennetless Geo bros team (Zhongli + Albedo) ?
Quite decent ind. dmg, good buffs, but may be expensive😅
Welp, never played 2 Geo Vape so I can't really tell xD
Hello Ive seen you open the adventure book mid fight and I was confused
I did some research and apparently its the exploit/bug called "book trick"
can you tell us more about it ? why you do it ? and when is best time ?
thanks
HI! HOw does melt dragonstrike team compare to other meta single target teams?
Awesome Video!
Btw, can I take a screenshot from the last part in the Video to share?
Sure, feel free to use it.
Nice👍
Purely out of curiosity's sake, would you ever try an overloaded diluc on ST? It's obviously nowhere close to meta but I have been super curious lol esp since Chevrolet is here now
Great video btw. I'm still a struggling diluc main coz I'm bad at remembering rotations but i will be referring to this video!
I used to run Diluc Overload (Sucrose, Fischl, Bennett / Kuki)
It's actually not as bad, I'd say it's at least better than Mono.
Unfortunately I don't have Chev, but let's assume She replace Anemo and you run Diluc, Fischl + Other sub DPS (ideally Yae), C0 Chev wouldn't be much different, but with C6 Chev, it can be on par (if not Better) with F2P Variants of Vape from the high Team DPS potential.
As someone who is one of the few that uploads Diluc melt with Ayaka in full runs not just bosses, I am hurt 😞 😔
I mean, if it works for you then it's all good.
Like mentioned in beginning, this is all my opinion.
As a top 1% serpent diluc with c2r1 yelan I always go for the premium vape or double hydro
Hey ! Coming again on your video to ask for more tips. What do you think of switching Rosa for Kaeya in the F2P Melt team ? I don’t have her but I love the team
They could still work fine (if not better in ST), but will be kinda troublesome for AoE since Kaeya couldn't immediately remove the Pyro Aura and consistently applying Cryo due the lack of CC.
With all respect sir, I disagree Physical in C Tier, it should be S tier minimum.
It's so strong that Diluc can kill his enemies without the need of His vision.
Joke aside, I ageee with most of the ranking, except XQ.
Personally I'd rate Him lower in VV Vape for how much His Rainsword can mess up setup instantly.
Quite ironic I had easier time doing setup with Melt and with Kazuha + Kaeya no less (which is harder in general), than with Him in any variant, even with Sucrose.
Some could say it'a skills issue, but if an enemy go even near you after you take safe distance with His Rainsword active, it's not related to our skill at all.
You got me in the first half, I'm not gonna lie 😅
Very understandable.
Admittedly, even after getting used to His setup and knowing his ICD, there are times where His E / Q touches enemy unintentionally.
A lot of my friends also dislike XQ for that exact reason, so they either go Mono or just 2 Hydro.
Agree.
This was the reason I benched Him and learn Melt. The setup is a bit harder but it's far less clunky than XQ.
Thanks, the amount of screenshots i took😂
nice video ,, i agree
here's me pulled ganyu thinking it will further improve my melt diluc. :>
i don't regret tho
Well, Technically She is an upgrade over other variant Personal DPS wise since she can hold Elegy.
Diona can too but very hard to use in AoE.
@@cavernman4739 Well i don't have elegy bt still ganyu's burst range,duration and visual are satisfying enough to me.
Im pretty much a new Diluc main and can't decide between the OG Vape Kazuha Variant or the Layla Variant. Any recommendations?
Og Vape Kazuha is highly recommended if you are new.
Layla variant though good is somewhat a Boss / ST niche due to Layla's Application being ST focused.
OG Kazuha (or the one with Yelan / Mona) is lots more universal, easier to control and not necessarily worse if the Sub DPS is at least not at low investment.
What artifacts are being used on all teams and what type is it, em sands or attack? Or just get as much crit dmg with good crit rate?
4pc CW (All team except Physical) & 4pc Shimenawa (Physical)
Used EM build in Kazuha teams & Burgeon, Atk for the rest.
i have been waiting for this!
though sadly you didn't include candace, but it's fine 😁
Whoops, I totally missed Her, my apologies.
Hi, I would like to ask about two things. So far I have been playing og vape with zhongli instead of sucrose and is this a very big loss of potential damage? Oh, and I'd also like to ask what Diluc you consider high investment when it comes to atk, EM and both crit stats?
A lot actually.
The 20% higher shred from VV and 200+ EM is huge lose (this assume if your Zhongli was holding 4pc Instructor, the loss is bigger if He wasn't)
For Atk build, I'd consider 210% Total Atk 70/180+ Ratio (without Crit wep) to be high invested.
Sucrose doesn't care about EM, so CDMG is one that will decide how far Sucrose can push your Diluc.
Opposed to Kazuha, instead of Atk, you want more EM, sub 300 EM with identical Ratio is enough to be called High invested.
Thanks a lot for answer! Would you mind showing the current floor 12 with og vape in one of your next vids? I'd like to see the proper use of swirl
is it ever viable to run without pyro resonance as a higher tier team or is bennet/bennetless build the only way? Such as a cryo resonance for the crit rate. Or some EM build im not considering
Only for Xianyun Plunge, to an extent 2 Cryo Dragonstrike.
Bennett isn't BiS support for Xianyun since She values Dmg% & EM more than Attack hence EM support (like Sucrose, Kazuha, & C6 Diona) can match a team with Bennett in term of DPS and clear time AND Boost the team QoL since Cryo / Hydro Aura can be applied faster and easier with Sucrose and Kazuha.
2 Cryo + Anemo Dragonstrike can match most of Diluc top team with good setup, but fell off when facing light weight enemies due to Diluc's Q knockback that can mess your DPS window.
@@cavernman4739 ahhh ok yeah that helps a lot. I dont have Xianyun but dragonstrike Diona is doable.... Funny how they dont like each other but go so well
How viable is venti instead of kazuha in mono pyro ? (have elegy r2 if that changes anything)
He is Okay, but still worse in general.
This take into account R2 Elegy 25% Atk buff & His DPS potential.
Problem with Venti is that most characters won't be able to reliably do DPS when His Q is active if we face light weight enemies.
And He lose his Value when we face Heavy Weight enemies / ST due to lack additional utility to justify His slot compared to Kazuha or Sucrose.
Can you update the video please
what would the rosaria setup be with kazuha?
For ST
Rosaria E (to apply Cryo) > Kazuha Q > Bennett Q N1 > Kazuha E (Tap) > Rosaria Q > Diluc N2 EN1EN1EN3 Q
If the first NA isn't Melt, it'a a sign for Bad Timing.
For AoE
Rosaria E > Kazuha Q > Bennett Q E > Kazuha E > Rosaria E Q > Diluc N2E x3 Q
Or just do non Full Setup (Bennett Q E A> Kazuha E > Rosaria E Q > Diluc) because mobs usually don't have much HP to even need Full Setup.
I read your channel name as caveman and reminded me of the unga bunga diluc memes
weird question but does he have any synergy at all with Shenhe? i know rosa/kaeya would objectively be better in all occasions but i'm still curious. maybe some monstrous chongyun/shenhe cryo/pyro setup on him
She somewhat has synergy in Forward Melt, although I can't figure a combo and setup that can fully utilize Her Q and E buff uptime.
In Cryo, Reverse Melt is easily doable by adding Thoma to the Mix.
Min Max DPS can be done with help of Kazuha, but it's a glass cannon and very inconvenience without C1+ Shenhe, Burning Melt Dragonstrike without Shenhe or Mono Cryo Dragonstrike would be better in the long run.
@@cavernman4739thank you! it's interesting to hear ideas you've tried / come up with. very excited to see new combinations with Diluc that come up in the future with more characters
just a clarification on the yanfei team. Who carries the instructor in that case, yanfei or Rosa?
Rosaria.
Although for min max purpose it should be Yanfei, Her uptime would be compromised and the rotation become strict if She is the one holding it.
@@cavernman4739 Thanks! I better save those instructor drops, lol. I only have one instructor set and it's on my Mona. I could simply swap it, but it's kind of a hassle to do it every time. This game should really have proper artifact loadouts.
good to practice these Diluc variants on different computers. And to translate them xd (I don't speak English 😞🤙)
My deepest apologize.
I would love to add different language if that can help, but I'm afraid of bad translation.
@@cavernman4739 Don't worry, I'm also learning English hehe, but in case you managed to do it (Spanish) I would be absolutely grateful. In fact, every time I comment on something, I still use a translator, and I just copy the text and I don't know if I'm 100% sure if it's what I'm trying to say. But I see that you understand me xd
My experience with XQ bennett sucrose
Bennett E then dash away, *rain sword literal applies hydro after dashing away.* Idk if that's a skill issue but this just really grinds my gears lol.
The pain we all experienced.
Assume you do XQ E Q > Bennett E, Dash away, Q without any NA in between, Rainsword Will apply Hydro the moment Bennett uses E.
You can try using N1 after XQ Q, this way you'll have more time to apply Pyro and back away before the Rainsword reapply Hydro (assuming there is no delay between swap and you cancel XQ E Animation)
In vape burgeon, is it worth it to crown diluc's talents? his talents are already 9/9/8. Great video btw
Highly depend on your Artifacts.
Raising talent is only worth it id you have an EM Build 4pc CW or 4pc GD with decent stats else the DPS increase won't matter
I have a c1 Diluc and I despise Kazuha, I'm happy to see Sucrose being comparable and sometimes preferred over him, what's your Diluc artifacts like? Also will a c1 diluc with god roll artifacts be considered high investment?
2.5k Atk, 72/201, 72 EM, 4pc CW (Atk Build)
2.2k Atk, 70/180, 280 EM, 4pc CW (EM Build)
Yes.
Considering Diluc cons hardly affect his DPS, so it's all come down to Artifacts and Stats.
@@cavernman4739 thank you! Lay waste to the wicked.
Dilluc baby here , if i want to run f2p what other set besides Instructor should Rosaria and Benent run? Id asume one of them wants NO , right?
Yes, although Ideally Bennett should be the one holding Instructor to increase the Team DPS, the rotation become strict.
@@cavernman4739 Thanks man , awesome work . Im definitely gonna try all these variations
How viable are team variants with Furina?
On Par with Yelan at C0 in any Variant, higher with Cons.
So show artifacts and general Build i can't reach that damage 😢😢
Is there any diluc team without xinqiu bennet kazuha? Because i want to creaye non meta team
Also, without Nahida Yelan Zhongli
You can check Video description.
Some that wasn't included in the Video:
Amber/Yanfei + Sucrose + Barbara/Kokomi
Yanfei + Sucrose + Mona
Yanfei + Sucrose + Candace (Quickswap)
What difference between 1000 em c2kazuha iron sting(xiphos and etc except freedom)
And sucrose +800 c6 (ttods or even em weapon)
Youre a legend diluc main bro😂❤
I have never compare them thoroughly but depending on your Diluc Atk stats, it varies.
For example, my Kazuha with 930 EM couldn't outDPS the buff TtoDS + 640 EM Sucrose provide when I use Blackcliff or Serpent Spine.
But when I use Unforged, They have identical result DPS Wise (Vape / Melt DMG is still higher but the Higher non reaction Hits from Kazuha make it even)
Interesting Tierlist!
It would be nice if you could do one too with Yoimiya.
She lack of good representation. And I could hardly tell if there is even a Yoimiya main that doesn't run 2 Geo all the times.
I will consider after I do more test.
Though now you mentioned it, I had only came accross a Yoimiya main twice in my entire YT time (probably around 2 Years ago back when Wolflord was first added to Abyss)
It's very sad She/He wasn't as popular compared to casual Yoimiya showcase that did 2 Geo and Overvape 24/7 despite having good knowledge of Yoimiya and constantly showcase Her the way I did with Diluc.
I'd love to give Him (or Her) a shoutout but unfortunately I forgot the Channel name.
you're in luck because i have been working on an updated kqm guide, touching on most of her teams :)
Could you use serpent spine on your next run?
Sure thing
The Melt Dragonstrike. For me it is the most powerful.
Bro, what do you mean by high investment XQ?
C6R1 + Above decent Artifacts & Stats
Sac and Fav doesn't count because even with Atk% Sand, Mistplitter, PJC, or Summit Shaper with ER Build are significantly stronger.
@@cavernman4739 I mean my Xingqiu is C6, E lvl 11, crowned burst, ratio looks smtng around 58/160 and I'm wandering what else I can do to improve his build.
I tried Mistsplitter build also, but I agree that ER one still works better
diluc, ttds mona, yelan, bennet is the best version for double hydro
My options:
1) Diluc, xinqiu, diona, (venti/xiangling)
2) Diluc, xinqiu, barbara, (venti/xiangling)
??
The 2nd Team, with Xiangling is promising.
Try diluc nahida yelan kuki (em)
What about farina teams😊
At that time. Furina didn't exist
this dudes based !
now this tier list is absolutely gone thanks to xianyun and furina, no need to run 5 star weapons js get rain slasher or even proto
Objectively Xianyun and Furina isn't necessarily Better than all of the Traditional Teams at C0, Furina Herself is in fact worse than Yelan in most cases, especially ST.
She, along with Furina only made rest of the Teams obsolete when they are at C2 & at least C1 respectively.
And don't forget the fact Xianyun is worse than almost ANY non Plunge Team in AoE (especially against tanky lightweight enemies like Fatui Agents) due to the lack of CC and Diluc insane Knockback.
Unless you have C2 Kazuha and pair both of them, She will perform much worse than even F2P Diluc Vape in this scenario (Sucrose, XQ, Bennett)
Tl;dr
Xianyun is good on paper but isn't game changing and basically locked to ST / Boss UNLESS She is at high investment due to practical reason.
Furina while good is gated by cons to be better than all of the Top Diluc Team variants (Yelan + Sucrose / Kazuha Vape, Kaeya + Kazuha Melt & Melt Dragonstrike)
diluc mains are scary. idc what you say. i'm not changing my mind 🤣
We get that a lot
Instead of all this trouble just get hu tao and the problem solved 😅
That's not the point of the Video tho
C0 Neuvillette >> C6 Diluc
Overkill.
Xinyan >>>>>> Diluc