IRELAND PLAYER & TEAM TOUR REPORT CARD | Increased or decreased reputations v South Africa 2024

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  • @LeonRamkumar
    @LeonRamkumar 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +58

    The Irish were fantastic, gutted they beat us, but what a show!

    • @johnmc3862
      @johnmc3862 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you so much, what a great series. Rugby wins!

  • @dazza4345
    @dazza4345 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    It's been good for Ireland being forced into making changes .It's increase competition for places at fullback,Centre ,Out half,loose forwards and hooked positions.

  • @hankscorpion9939
    @hankscorpion9939 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    I think Ireland were the better team over the two tests, despite less points on aggregate over the two games. Still level as best two teams in the world for me. Extraordinary considering the players they were missing. I won't say anything about some of the ref and TMO decisions.

    • @Edgycoo
      @Edgycoo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      i think over 10 games the boks would win 7

    • @LeMerch
      @LeMerch 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Can never write off the all blacks tho

    • @Karma-qt4ji
      @Karma-qt4ji 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      SA were missing some players too and it was their first test since the RWC final. I think people are reading too much into these games and both teams will come away from this with some good positives and some areas of concern - luckily both coaches are good enough to deal with those concerns.

    • @patrickyoung3503
      @patrickyoung3503 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I agree with your comment .
      We are human , we make mistakes including refs & TMO . I won't go any further

  • @101MIGHTYJOE
    @101MIGHTYJOE 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    I think ire have found their starting 2nd row back row combination for the next year with Ryan and mccarthy in the row and beirne at 6. It just adds extra weight and height and frees up beirne to be a greater menace at the breakdown. I hope izzy, Tom ahern, o toole (at loosehead) and jager all get game time in November as they look ready for international level. Also watch out for Matthew device (9 for connacht), he looks like he could class

  • @alanhughes3070
    @alanhughes3070 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    In my view Casey was an arrow up, that 1st test before his injury was the best he has played in green or red!!

  • @johnmead3485
    @johnmead3485 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Tadhg Bierne played 6 not 2nd row and played it well. Brought critical physicality, same with McCloskey at 12.

  • @ruebengopaul8060
    @ruebengopaul8060 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Boks - back to back World Cups, peaking age squad and tonnes of depth. England rebuilding and playing great attacking rugby with a promising and aggressive young pack. Ireland may be ageing but still unearthing talented players, can compete physically with any pack. All Blacks looking tactically much more versatile and resilient. France with a strong U20 pipeline (like England) and possess peak Dupont. Test Rugby is as good as it's been with healthy competition. Even better if the likes of Australia, Scotland and Argentina improve (which I think all 3 will do in the next 2 years) and a well-coached Italy!

    • @RazorMouth
      @RazorMouth 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wales reading this and 😭

    • @LeMerch
      @LeMerch 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I want to see Italy step up a level over the next 5 years.
      France are going to continue to grow.
      All blacks are the all blacks.
      Ireland have a conveyor belt of constant talent.
      Argentina?
      South Africa have a scary amount of talent coming through and a massive amount of room to grow even better.
      England are building nicely.
      Scotland are boom and bust. No change.
      Wales are now a club team.
      Australia have a band aid on. Sad times.
      Japan continue to grow domestically. Interesting.
      Namibia went back into hiding.

    • @SF-rw1oz
      @SF-rw1oz 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ruebengopaul8060 I don't know if the Boks are peaking age wise. The pack only had one player sub 30 didn't it?
      They'll be fine because the have the depth but I've seen a lot of their fans calling for new faces
      Could be wrong of course

  • @Camcolito
    @Camcolito 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    I like this idea of doing reputation changes, different than just giving ratings without context.
    Casey should definitely get "the arrow", even though he went off he was very good before then and there was a big question mark around him at test level which there now isn't.

    • @daithipol
      @daithipol 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think there is still an upgrade when Murray plays... wrt jgp the gap is a gulf

    • @64jkn
      @64jkn 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I agree 👍👍👍

    • @stevedaly2966
      @stevedaly2966 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Camcolito Agreed, Casey was a guy in 14 caps, with just 5 starts almost entirely against weaker opposition, the 1st test was his first big game start & he showed he's well able to carry that responsibility.
      A lot of people that have wondered about his place in the squad had to admit he's the real deal, I'd say that deserves an arrow

  • @RoyBattyLives
    @RoyBattyLives 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I would have thought Casey’s rep has risen, he had a really great game until the hit.

  • @Martin-oz6lr
    @Martin-oz6lr 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    The TMO and ref made the first game about them. Real shame!

    • @Karma-qt4ji
      @Karma-qt4ji 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Mate, with respect, you sound like the South African fans that some of your fanbase complain about.

    • @amantedellopera1681
      @amantedellopera1681 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I thought pearce was a better fairer ref than he showed in that first test,honestly he was so biased it was ridiculous,hard enough playing the boks at altitude without having the ref against you too.Dickson was better but only just

    • @patrickfoley4695
      @patrickfoley4695 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes Pearse a joke!!

  • @FraserTopham
    @FraserTopham 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Jamie Osborne has been a classy player for a while now

  • @fawltyoldboybasil.2178
    @fawltyoldboybasil.2178 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Great analysis as always. The 2 test matches underlined the biggest concerns the IRFU have to correct - the Props. No question that Tadgh Furlong is struggling - I suspect that he is dealing with recurring injuries (hamstring & calf) that have negatively affected his performances. The same will happen to Andrew Porter if Ireland continue to play him for 70+ minutes every game.
    Funnily enough, the other positions of concern (Out-half & Full Back) may well have been answered for the National Squad with the performances of Jamie Osborne and Ciaran Frawley - BUT, those respective performances have now pushed the Leinster coaching pair of Leo Cullen & Jacques Nienaber squarely into the headlights. 3 consecutive seasons losing the CCF and no URC Titles; Andy Farrell taking Ciaran Frawley & Sam Prendergast on tour instead of Ross or Harry Byrne. Doesn't take a genius to figure out where the media & fans are going to be looking when the URC kicks off for Leinster.
    Jack Crowley continues to improve imo. He makes mistakes but, he does not seem to dwell on them during a game - a really positive sign. Craig Casey answered some of his detractors in that 1st Test performance. Ditto Ronan Kelleher - got to see him making some of those powerful ball carries he is so good at.

  • @Lesssvav
    @Lesssvav 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    The Boks, Ireland and AB’s are all too close to call atm.
    A Tied series between the Boks and the Irish and the AB’s having stopped the historic Irish Streak last year and only falling short to the Boks by a point with 14 men in the RWCF means they should be in the convo.

    • @RazorMouth
      @RazorMouth 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The ABs never left the convo. 😂

    • @Edgycoo
      @Edgycoo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      agreed. Ireland are tough, but their record over the past 4 games is 50%.

    • @davidroseitg
      @davidroseitg 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      France are also in the picture, with England rising

    • @ronniemurtagh1786
      @ronniemurtagh1786 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      As an Irishman, I would think France will be close also. I know their 6-nations was disappointing, but they had a massive hangover from the WC.

  • @brianmsahin
    @brianmsahin 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Excellent video. I was very happy with the performance of our boys. They really put it up to the Boks particularly in the second test. I have to agree there is no dispute that with back to back World Cups the Boks are the best team in the world, but not against Ireland. 4 in the last 5 (including the World Cup, the only team to beat South Africa) and 9 from the last 14.😉

    • @MrOrange88888
      @MrOrange88888 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad to see nobody is counting

  • @garethmcrory5481
    @garethmcrory5481 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    If Adrew Porter is asked to start most games for Leinster and Ireland in 2024/25 i think he may possibly collapse on the pitch someday .....and his current replacements arn't the youngest ..but where do you find another porter ..he's an immense presence in both teams.

    • @Camcolito
      @Camcolito 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Living tissue over metal endoskeleton. The Port-900.

    • @kmclel1814
      @kmclel1814 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@garethmcrory5481 he played 80 mins in the champions cup final … he’s an absolute machine

  • @ciaranbrk
    @ciaranbrk 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Irelands strenght was great passing, smart kicking more bonding time for an inexperienced halfback more game time for fringe players who held up well in two ground war games. The line out was very good and the players are hungry for their spots back james ryan in particular. we were amazing in the air. Irelands weaknesses I've noticed second test it was scrum Furlong got minced no way to sugarcoat it. ourdicipline needs serious work mcarthy in particular I know playing on the edge can leak penalties but he needs to be careful not to get a rep with refs. Ireland have this irritating habit of trying to burst over the try line with one out runners and it cost us the QF and a try. it resulted in frawleys first drop goal but we need to get more creative when going for the try line we have been held up a few times and it has really cost us.

  • @leonardodavinci7425
    @leonardodavinci7425 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Absolutely no doubt whatsoever about either of Frawley's drop goals.

  • @RazorMouth
    @RazorMouth 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    We really need to up the discipline especially in kickable positions for the opposition. It's been a problem for a while in big games.

    • @davidroseitg
      @davidroseitg 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      In these two games, with such physical opposition your going to.conceed some, there were extra from bad calls!

  • @patrickcoote8441
    @patrickcoote8441 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Agree with most except a few. Porter and Furlong are still the same top class operators. It’s up to other Nothern Hemisphere props especially Irish ones to put pressure on them. They played more minutes then there opposition, there work rates, defence, attack, lineout and scrum work was great overall. They looked dominant in the first half of both games. The scrum collapse at the end of test 1 and the second half issues in game 2 were with one or both of them off the pitch. Joe MaCarty is up because he was so physical in that second test with some wonderful running lines, Casey was one of our best players in the first test and only the injury forced him off and prevented him from starting the second test so another up.

  • @JohnSmith-wo2fz
    @JohnSmith-wo2fz 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I agree with the stocks apart from Casey, I think his went up a fair bit. He played very well, he's very skillful and has shown now he can start and play well in a big intense test match against the champs.

  • @Cgoggin100
    @Cgoggin100 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Ive seen frawleys first drop goal in another video from a different angle and it 100% touches the ground

  • @wearmitage
    @wearmitage 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Do the people who claimed the first drop goal was illegal say the second last SA penalty should never have been awarded?

    • @Karma-qt4ji
      @Karma-qt4ji 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Springbok fan here. I never had an issue with the drop goal, probably because it looked like a drop goal, it felt like a drop goal so therefore it must have been a bloody drop goal. And if you are talking about the accidental offsides penalty where the Irish player never knocked the ball on, then of course it was a wrong call.
      There are fans on both sides of the fence who are cherry picking little incidents that they believe were unfairly called, as happens in EVERY game by every fanbase (more vocal on the losing side usually) and of course those little incidents are the ones that "prove" that the outcome was incorrect. Most of it can be boiled down to wishful thinking, refusal to accept defeat or just utter ignorance of the laws and protocols of the game. Sadly, this will never change. If we ever get to a stage where AI referee the game, some fans will be bleating that the AI were programmed to favour their opposition - and you know it lol.

    • @spiced32
      @spiced32 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yepp actually forgot about that, the commentator actually called it a harsh penalty instead of 100% wrong

  • @dazzpeace
    @dazzpeace 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The Irish are always welcome in SA!

  • @lizzyhanahoe4197
    @lizzyhanahoe4197 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Although Casey didn’t play a full match, thought he excelled against this strong SA team, also Henshaw played his guts out.

  • @quentinquentin6752
    @quentinquentin6752 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Awesome series and the Boks are still World Number 1!! Credit where credit is due. They are also fantastic hosts!! BTW loved the analysis!!
    Can we discuss the refereeing team?
    I watched Nigel Owens last week. He reviewed the James Lowe try that was disallowed by the TMO and he was emphatic - the TMO should never have been involved in that decision and that try should have been given. I like Luke Pearce and no ref is ever perfect, except for Owens :), but Pearce made some poor calls. He didn't even look at the tackle that resulted in Casey being stretchered off. Player safety? Really, really poor. He was also pressing Dickson to ramp up the card for the crocodile roll that resulted in the YC but where was he when Furlong took a head direct to the face or Casey being hammered by Snyman? Where was the TMO with the Furlong injury. Absent, silent! Furlong went off shortly after for an HIA. There will always be judgements we don't like, and we often forget the ones we did like. All in all, the refereeing wasn't as good as it ought to be and needs to be.

  • @geoffnelson6756
    @geoffnelson6756 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Just on the DG, it did look very close, most of the Irish lads played gaelic and its similar to a gaelic point kick, I also looked at lots of historical footage, there have been quite a number of kicks which were similarly very close to a full kick, all of those clearly given so I think it would be harsh to disallow it. Osborne is without doubt a match for Keenan, my felling is both will be on the team, Keenan at full back, Osborne in the centre and really unfortunate that would mean no bench spot for McCloskey. Also, loosehead is an issue, Cian Healy has been awesome for Ireland, but hopefully Farrell has someone in mind to fill that position.

  • @clifdencolm
    @clifdencolm 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    What you mean first drop was 'inconclusive? 😂 There are loads of slow mos that show it must have hit the ground by the time he kicked it. I'll DM you one if you like..'

    • @leonardodavinci7425
      @leonardodavinci7425 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Absolutely zero doubt about either of Frawley's drop goals

  • @Zz-lm1no
    @Zz-lm1no 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Baird needs to raise his physical impact...particularly in defence then he will be right up there

    • @daithipol
      @daithipol 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Even with the odd clanger he us still up there on the long list of better 6s than OMahoney

    • @ciaranbrk
      @ciaranbrk 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      if he becomes a jackal threat he can be a starter

  • @eamonnmurphy-if3xc
    @eamonnmurphy-if3xc 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Did anybody notice the last. ten minutes the score at 24 to 19 the only team attacking was ireland, after frawleys first drop goal ,all thanks needed was to hold out play the smother game , but the. Boks ran out of steam power can be a winner ,but when the big guys slow gaos appearance ireland drove into boks territory and you know the rest..

  • @daithipol
    @daithipol 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Cmon the mc carthy was nonsense. Ref refused even to try to listen to the TMO

  • @rahimoneill7294
    @rahimoneill7294 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Being held up over the line etc in both tests, shows Ireland left more out there. Beirne at 6 is a no brainer. Irish props look very fatigued... definitely overplayed and needs more variation. Their overall play is better than almost all props in the world but scrummaging is at about no.3 in the world. No shame in being outscrummed by boks...they'd do that to anyone. Porters penalties are getting out of hand. Ireland still not quite right tho...attack is not as fluid as it was and lineout is inexplicably off. First 15 out there would be as good or better than the boks and anyone else on average and as a team/unit they are more than the sum of their parts.

  • @andrewbrennan4423
    @andrewbrennan4423 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You've Porter decling! The fittest LH, who does deep into the well, jackels, is brilliant in loose play for his frame and did well in scrums in Test 1 - c'mon man.

  • @shaunmahon3415
    @shaunmahon3415 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I really enjoyed this test series, especially the second test 👍. Ireland were very good in both tests but South Africa were equally good and maybe deserved to win both tests but I'm glad it ended 1-1 tbh. I thought Osborne was excellent and Frawley certainly increased his reputation on the back of these 2 drop goals, the second was such a pressure moment yet he nailed it. Out of curiosity, are you doing one of this type reports for Scotland or have you not seen us due to timings/dad duties etc :)?

    • @amantedellopera1681
      @amantedellopera1681 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They didnt deserve to win both tests,i thought ireland were robbed blind in first test ie shit ref,and we totally deserved the 2nd test,scored the only try,boks thought it would be a cake walk,they stayed in game because of our silly mistakes ie penalties

  • @maori_brotha
    @maori_brotha 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Ireland are no 1. No doubt. BUT the margins are thin!

    • @jieyytttt9061
      @jieyytttt9061 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Undisputed springboks forever ❤

  • @TheDdvd1
    @TheDdvd1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So SA have an issue with the ball potentially not touching the ground? That's fine, hand back the last WC because Smith put his hands on the ground before winning the turnover for the winning kick in the semin final against France. Glad we sorted that absolute nonsense out so quickly :D

  • @smoozerish
    @smoozerish 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    O'Mahony needs to be used from the bench late in games from now on. He's been a great servant to Irish rugby but too many miles on the clock now.

  • @ProTantoQuid
    @ProTantoQuid 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Rather strange to talk about JO in the context of centres when everyone else is talking about him in a context of Fullback.

    • @RazorMouth
      @RazorMouth 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He was brought over as a centre and used as a full back, he mentioned it in the video.

  • @spiced32
    @spiced32 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Are we not getting into debates about Ireland having 2 chalked off in the first test and a really dodgy 1 for the Boks, No i take it. Sick of wining when the games are over.
    On another note, if Osborne who is highly rated before the tests continues in this vein, he's going to be impossible to drop.

    • @patrickyoung3503
      @patrickyoung3503 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Osbourne is taking a lot of punishment fielding " Box" kicks . I hope he is in good health to keep doing it , he really did get plastered by the SA . As they say down the country " a sure it will make a man of him . "

  • @dakalodk
    @dakalodk 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Amazing analysis

  • @raykennedy-k8o
    @raykennedy-k8o 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Farrell has gone for huge men. This Ireland are big and brutal. Their forwards weighed more than the Boks. If they could find a few replacement props they would be awesome.

  • @lawLess-fs1qx
    @lawLess-fs1qx 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Top 5 could beat each other in a one off test. SA done it when it counts so no1. Hopefully |Scotland can kick on from the URC win and challenge the top 5. The BOKIre games are so fierce that other tests look like nobodies bothered. NZ England was a featherweight contest compared to the Heavyweights battering each other in BokIre games.

  • @readesiun988
    @readesiun988 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The ground is not the floor.

  • @danielgriffin9431
    @danielgriffin9431 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    .. my opinion, SA 🇿🇦are still #1 (if there was a3rd test they wud have won it), NZ, IRE, FRA & Eng its 50/50 tbh .. they each wud beat each other .. (Ireland 🇮🇪 fan here btw) ..

    • @johnmc3862
      @johnmc3862 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nice opinion.

    • @Unborn-Stillborn
      @Unborn-Stillborn 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @danielgriffin9431 you can put SA in that 50/50 pile since Ireland beat them at home ...

  • @peethauptfleisch4763
    @peethauptfleisch4763 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Boks didnot play well started only second half to play and nearly won so give it to Ireland better team on the day now Boks must starr building for next wc new blood

    • @JohnSmith-wo2fz
      @JohnSmith-wo2fz 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Boks did play well. For some reason Faf destroys two attempts to put pressure on Ireland on their line. Other than that and one or two errors they played very well. People keep pointing out Ireland's intensity in the first half and the Boks were right up there too, super intense performance. Just a massive test match.

  • @turkishdelight7083
    @turkishdelight7083 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The term you are looking for is Cute Hoor. 😉

  • @johnmc3862
    @johnmc3862 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Haha literally all the Irish TH-camrs in the one comments section! 😅😅😅

  • @gordondarker4073
    @gordondarker4073 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Theres 6 teams in the world that could beat each other ATM

    • @Dedbeatz.
      @Dedbeatz. หลายเดือนก่อน

      No there isn't.

  • @davidroseitg
    @davidroseitg 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    two of the 8 pennos we're terrible calls!

  • @kdlw31
    @kdlw31 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Win a WC ur green leaves

  • @itistrue101
    @itistrue101 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Paddy and the Imports trending down. Won't be too much of an issue as all teams have dropped off since last year.

    • @leonardodavinci7425
      @leonardodavinci7425 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'll screenshot this comment and if Ireland win the grand slam next year I'll tag you in the comments LOL