Halt! I have two things. 1: I think you are taking this wrong. A lot, and I mean A LOT of you are talking about how its capitalist or anti capitalist and all about money. It isn't. If you pay attention you see that they're talking about essentially remaking the world from scratch, not profiting from it. Instead setting it up "perfectly". Mr. House is the only one who brings up "significant earning potential". But he's House, that's kind of his thing. So it isn't about money, its about "everyone wants to save the world. They just disagree about how." And they're kind of right. Hypothetically a society that was constructed instead of created through natural progression would probably be a lot more efficient and peaceful than the alternative. But obviously, don't be nuking the world. 2: There has been some confusion on these companies and why they are here. Rob-Co, West-tek, Repconn, Big MT. I will explain why each of them are present at this meeting and how it doesn't change anything about previous fallout lore. Mr. house/Rob-Co: So basically the main bit of confusion here is that in 2065 Mr. House calculated the bombs will drop in 2077, yet here it seems as though he got the information from this Vault-Tec meeting. It makes most sense that he is actually at this meeting because he did calculate it. Since he was making preparations it makes sense to make connections with vault-tec, connections which probably landed him a seat at this meeting. He also may have used this meeting to stock vault 21 with supplies he needed for his plans for Vegas. West-Tek: West-tek made the FEV (Forced Evolutionary Virus). They had it at several locations including their West Virgina research location, the Mariposa military base and most importantly for here, vault 87. Vault 87 is the origin of super mutants in fallout 3. It would make sense for West-Tek to want to set up various different FEV research centres. The Mariposa base for direct military oversight, the West Virgina location was to test its effects on an unsuspecting population slowly, something taht couldn't really be done in a laboratory enviroment, and vault 87 would be perfect since they could control 100% of their test subjects diets, exercise, water intake, and well everything else. Not to mention that all of the pre war vault dwellers that entered vault 87 weren't expected to re emerge. A perfect environment for such experimentation. Repconn: This is the strangest one. Repconn made rockets and worked on plasma rifle prototypes. Vault-Tec originally in some external material was going to colonize the moon as a puppet for the Enclave to bugger off to after the bombs destroyed everything. So they would need rockets for that goal. There is also the Vault-Tec: Among the Stars at Nuka world so clearly space is still something of a priority for them. I also seem to recall something about plasma rifles in a vault though can't remember what specifically. But most relevantly, Mr. House purchased Repconn so the Repconn representative here would have been essentially a puppet for Mr. House. Giving him two votes more or less, which is a very House thing to do. Since as we know, the house always wins. Big MT: So this isn't a scientist, its Sinclair from the Serria Madre. So we don't know how much the doctors from old world blues actually were involved here. But whats important is that doctor Borous says that Vault-tec was best at these types of experiments and went on to talk about how they had to build fake cities for communist test subjects. So Borous was aware of these vault experiments and had some intimate knowledge about them before the bombs dropped, since the big MT lost all communication with the outside world after that happened. Since this was such a closely guarded secret the only way Borous could know this would be if he was involved somehow, like if he was part of a conspiracy. So all of this makes perfect lore sense. No retcons or contradictions.
Dead serious question. Instead of this being something to be confused by because of the lore, shouldn't be this meeting actually what WE NEEDED to know so lore makes more sense now? If so, Why is people confused? As I said, this is then, supposed to make perfectly sense and fit well in the "End of the world" problem we had all the years. WE NEVER KNEW WHO STARTED THE ATTACK, AND having in mind that vault tec needed an end of the world and COINCIDENTALLY getting to it while assuming it was china or USA who attacked first was so... dumb. Like, this was... something to expect, either way, after all of these years, we really get to answer this question.
@@septras6534 people are confused because they had assumptions about the lore, assumptions which aren't true. This is simply an explanation of how it does work.
@@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal Excellent then, I was confused about people being confused. I'm not lore god but I quite understood this scene while watching it. Thanks for the aclaration!
Absolute defeat, sourcing from a complete disappointment and turn of events has never been so clearly expressed physically. Walton Goggins was amazing in this show.
Yeah that part. That's how I reacted to the knowlege IRL the first time I saw it. The fact that he could perfectly replicate my reaction...that's an acting legend.
Yeah, Mr. House was only person who was fully skeptical about whole plan in the meeting, fully aware that it was too risky and wasn't good business in long run.
@@f22littleraptor21 "Written into the treaty were provisions that the NCR do nothing to prevent it's soldiers and civilians from visiting the strip." and "What is the NCR? A society of people desperate to experience comfort, ease, luxury...A society of customers." were both quotes from the game that i enjoyed hearing. The dude knows how to turn a hostile predicament around and even get good business out of it. He goes on further to say how he doesn't really give af about what people do in the private time, all that matters is what they bring to the table, in most cases their money. He has a knack for business and knows people are a resource. His plans to reignite the science divisions that'll eventually lead people entering orbit to scour for new worlds to colonize as opposed to somehow rebuilding a society in a nuclear fallout inhabited planet beyond saving, sounds more reasonable imo.
Imagine this. This whole meeting repeated in Cooper's mind when the bombs were dropped in episode 1. He remembered all of this and who did it. That wasn't horror that flashed in his eyes. It was realization and the ultimate kind of betrayal.
@@Mulluns So it is highly likely that rather than them actually dropping the bomb themselves, they manufactured the conditions that caused the countries to attack each other. In that scenario, it is possible that she didn't have perfect control over when EXACTLY it happened. That would explain why her daughter wasn't in a vault when things went down.
@@NinetooNineI tend to think the same, the fact that their daughter was at a party with Cooper kinda implies that despite considering dropping the bombs, the great war actually unfolded before they were prepared and caught them off guard
It’s funny, House talked quite a bit without actually saying anything. He never revealed his leanings or positions to anyone. And yet whenever he posed an inquiry, he always got an answer. House was in control here. Reassuring to see they actually did him justice.
And yet for all that control he was still unaware of those in the upper level of the meeting room (presumably the enclave representatives) directing the conversation through vault tec showing that even someone like him was just a pawn in someone else's plan.
@@orklord6568 for all his preparations, House couldn’t stop all the missiles because he got the date wrong. For all his wealth, resources, and intelligence, he was still a card in someone else’s deck. If his ending was indeed canon, I’d be interested to see how he rebels against his masters.
@@derekjohnson8910 If the House ending for New Vegas is canon, he is probably more powerful than the West Coast Enclave, maybe even the Chicago Enclave. Controlling one of the most well developed areas (the Mojave and New Vegas) in the setting would give him considerable power.
Having been invested in the series for 15+ years, it's shocking, but not at all surprising to hear that Vault Tec was behind their own country's destruction.
@@followerofslack3919there is nothing to back up what you are saying. before this show there was no confirmation of who shot first, so far this sense is the only confirmed lore on the object.
What about the fact that Leon von Felden (west-tek) who Roger Maxson executes in mariposa finally gets a face and it's none other than Papa Suchong? And Woozie?
I like how they used the companies. House being a voice of dissent is consistent enough with his game persona and it would be interesting to see how New Vegas and him might appear in the next season.
@@crazychinese7315 I think they will have to decide which ending is canon. There was the order not to mess with any of the games's endings but I think they will have to choose one since the next season will include New Vegas.
@@Zerospacedude He seemed initially skeptical about the Vaults and didn't suggest experiments like the others. I think he was overall shown as a bit pragmatic about his objections.
@@Zerospacedudehe wasn't really going with it and wasn't out right against it. He was being inquisitive and learning. He brushed off the potential for the earnings from the experiments. But questioned how that can even be useful if the vaults end up not being used if no bombs ever drop. Which he probably figured they would have something to say about that and he got his answer. Which may be why he knew that the bombs would be coming soon from what he said in new Vegas working to protect new Vegas from then on.
This plot twist was first conceived with the writing of the 1998 film script. Since Fallout 2, there has been subtle nods, hints, and references that Vault-Tec had something to do with the Great War. An "Always Has Been" that was everpresent in the games, but never explicitly stated until now. One example of this is the nuke in Megaton having the Vault-Tec logo, and the missile silos in Fallout 76 containing Vault-Tec equipment. A scrapped Vault in New Vegas (24) would have been located near real life Sugar Bunker, where nuclear testing was performed. These are just a few of all the nods that were made to the inevitable truth.
It's also always been a blank space with what actually happened to Vault-Tec. They built all these vaults: what did they make for themselves? How did they plan to survive to collect the data from all their experiments? Seems like we might get an answer in Season 2, with wherever Hank is going, or whatever vault Barb was talking about.
@TheGIJew. In a cut game from Van Buren, it was revealed that Vault-Tec built a special Vault for the Vault-tec Executives that would have overseen every Vault in the Network. It's based somewhere outside of Denver.
@@TheGIJew. Could be Vault 24? Vaults with similar numbers are typically close to each other. Vault 22 is South of where real life Sugar Bunker is located, and the location for Sugar Bunker in New Vegas is oddly blank. Dropping bombs was a huge attraction for Vegas, and that's not mentioned much at all in NV. Meaning whatever is going on with nuclear testing involved cut content. Which ties in with Vault 24.
That's why we should never allow the people in high places of power to make nuclear shelters. Because when those in power wouldn't personally pay for their mistakes or wouldn't feel those consequences they would actually press the button in a nuclear escalation.
@@ignacio4159 on one hand; agreed. On the other hand, I have bad news to tell you- the people in high places of power all have nuclear bunkers. And food, gas, etc. stockpiles. Many even have private islands, and/or massive fortified fiefdoms in remote places like New Zealand in case shit goes to hell. More than a few also have their own private military corporations, which answer to no state and carve out their niche in the world through offering plausible deniability to their state/corporate clients for the atrocities they commit. Some of the wealthiest or most powerful of them even privately own, or otherwise control, their own space programs. Literally none of what I've said is even particularly obscure knowledge; it's even reported in many mainstream news sites, how billionaires are buying up land and building bunkers in NZ for instance. And the activities and history of Blackwater/Academi are notorious to say the least. Then there's SpaceX/Virgin Galactic/etc and the emerging private space industry.
You are absolutely mental if you think this makes a lick of sense. "Let's blow the world up for muh capitalism!" is literally the dumbest TV villain plot I've seen in years
@@richter6699 Hate to break it to you buddy… but that’s already happening, just has to do more with slow climate change than sudden nuclear annihilation.
love the fact house was the only ceo who didn't pitch an idea for the vaults. He didn't say anything about making weird vault like west-tek and etc. Look at him now from what we know he the only one remaining from table who still on the surface building something new
It's pretty ironic that, despite their plotting, most of those representatives did not survive for long after the bombs were dropped. Sinclair died in Sierra Madre the very same day after the bombs, Von Felden (West Tek guy) was eventually killed by Roger Maxson (who will eventually create the Brotherhood of Steel) during the interrogation in Mariposa Military Base. Julia Masters' (Repconn) fate is unknown, though she likely perished as well during the bombs or soon after if she wasn't lucky enough to get a spot in a normal and safe control Vault.
It also explains how House was able to "calculate" when the bombs dropped. It was really weird he KNEW they would drop within 10 years... yet somehow nobody else was able to "calculate" it. But with him in the room it makes so much more sense.
@@unematrix he calculated it around 2065 that in the next 10-15 the world will burn. This meeting (which was likely around late 2076/early 2077 ) just proved him that he was correct in his calculations.
@mtsen771 the political atmosphere must have given him the notion that this sort of thing is going to happen. And like you said, this meeting most likely confirmed to him that the bombs were gonna drop, it just cleared the picture enough to see WHO started it
You can TELL, that the writers not only played the games but Learned all of the lore.they reference vaults that you would only know the story of by Reading through terminals and Notes. I wish the halo TV show learned from these guys instead of bragging about not knowing a thing about the IP
Comes down to license agreement. It tells ppl that uses if what must be mandatory, not changed and changed and so on. For fallout they kept license agreement strict while for halo you can tell it wasn’t strict. Which if my theory is true on haters some of them are angry and jealous halo fans unhappy how show turned our reception wise but fallout is getter better praise.
1:30 This is a great example of Walton Goggon’s acting skills. You can see the shock and pain just in his eyes. Not to belittle Frances Turner’s excellent portrayal of a two faced maniac who gave me vibes that she might actually love her family.
@@dimazfantasy5252 and she is black villain, an extremely good one too, a bold and a courageous move from woke fever that plagues the next big hit from Amazon, Warhammer 40k and its infamous female Adeptus Custodes
There was somebody watching this meeting in the shadows, and she seemed nervous, so she very well could have been a pawn and only played the part to get her daughter to safety
God this plan was so stupid. No wonder house abandoned immediately and decided to do his own thing instead. He was the only one in the room with any sense whatsoever.
Agreed, I am still inclined to believe Mr. House is now an idiot however. Because he was told what was happening. Personally, I would like to stay and be amongst the living.
It's not a twist but a big exposition instead. Also it's not a true 100% but now its safest to consider it as the truth until theres another that refutes it
Not really a twist. We’ve known for a long time that the Enclave/Vault-Tec purposefully pushing things to the breaking point knowing full well what was going to happen.
1:32 I was in SOOO much shock at this scene, immediately turning into respect for Walter Goggins's reaction then turning into the endless urge to quick save the game & punch his wife in the face.
You can tell how much of a shock he's in. His face immediately starts getting wet from his sweating. His heart rate is probably jacked and his blood pressure through the roof
Greed and power, you can see that in hanks face too when he tries to urge Lucy what he did is best for everyone. That moment Lucy isn’t talking to her father but a madman.
@@FancyNCR Yes, it was an interesting moment. However if anyone is not sitting in a vault when it happens, not a real chance to survive. Maybe the girl also a little ghoul taken from him.
@@FancyNCR for sure she went to find her husband and daughter but possibly knew he was listening in, question and knock/shot him. he was left outside and woke up not knowing where they went. bombs dropped and he tried to find cover with it enough to keep him alive but exposed to extreme radiation and turn into what he is.
A woman so psychopathic as to literally say the idea that her own company be the ones to initiate a global nuclear war by initially bombing American cities under the guise of a nuclear sneak attack which would kill millions of children in itself probably isn’t more than a hop skip and jump away from being willing to kill her own child. You see how willing Lucy’s dad was to sacrifice his own wife at Shady Sands, maybe we see in Season 2 her becoming more deranged as flashbacks show their marriage coming apart now that Cooper knows, either by confronting her or by Vault Tec or herself figuring out the listening device and his daughter already scared wanting to go be with Cooper at which at that point her mom washes her hands of her. Maybe in an attempt to get her daughter back tells Cooper to bring her to a Vault in case something happened and when he got there he was shot and left outside while he daughter was taken. Maybe he was captured and experimented on, while his daughter and ex wife slept on in stasis. All I know, is I cannot wait for Season 2
While it was never "CONFIRMED" we definitely suspected it for sometime. You can dig into some of the terminals in the Vaults in-game and Vault-Tec clearly knew the exact date the bombs would fall which is sus af. Tie that with the fact they were a massive corporation who could profit immensely from the red scare hysteria + threat of nuclear Armageddon and it just makes sense that they were the ones who at the very least would WANT the bombs to fall. Especially with every vault having social, mental and physical experiments.
Insane feeling watching this meeting that could only come from this type of show. I (and other fans) spent hours walking through destroyed vaults, gleaning the horrors of the experiments through holotapes, terminal entries, and corpses. To see a group of people in a room actually planning the vaults was mindblowing. Each offhand concept these executives suggest brought me back to the moment I actually found the vaults they're suggesting here.
I completely understand that. I was also surprised by the dark twist with Vault 4. When we're introduced to the Hawthornes, they seem ordinary scientists, but in the holotapes you can see glimpses of their horrific experiments, I think the horror behind the Vaults was set up pretty well in the show.
My mind was flashing back to those Vaults, Rusted interiors, the Greentext entrys detailing every part that went wrong, Fallout 3, New Vegas, 4!!!! All of them in painful and tragic experiments costing in Human lives and untold misery, and they planned them for kicks without oversight and regulations, i was getting more and more angry, and that mother dared to use her own daughter as an excuse when countless others was torn from their own parents, forced to kill, seperate, Indoctornate, every sin of the results that came from their unchecked curiousity, only thing out of my mouth was "You motherfuckers", Hell isn't enough of a punishment for what they did to the world.
note how all these 'ideas' that are come up with, Mr. House doesn't come up with any of them. only one he may have come up with is people settling disputes over a game of poker, aka Vault 21
Given his plans in New Vegas and the fact he had Vault 21 filled in with cement the moment he had the chance to do so. I’d say House certainly wasn’t a fan of the crazy scheme.
It is heavily implied by Tim Cain that China was the one who dropped the nukes first as a retalliation against U.S who were experimenting FEV on Chinese prisoners of war. China warned them to not turn to biological weapons but US did not care therefore they dropped nukes first. Also Vault-Tec having plans to drop bombs means doesnt equal to them actually dropping bombs first. Why is it so hard to understand for you people?
Id say that he propably had a form of say in what happened in vault 21 as it was built in his sphere of influence. Would not be surprised he suggested the whole gambling thing as something relatively benign but in character as to not seem at odds with the whole project. He needed to stay in the loop as to know how much time he had to prepare. Having a few vaults nearby was unavoidable so best to have them be okish Nobody could have predicted vault 22
I KNEW IT. That opening scene of the series with the detonations in Los Angeles, all of the explosions looked like they happened at ground level, instead of ICBM launched airburst warheads. Those bombs were PLANTED on the ground beforehand.
I thought the same, but the main flashes happened in the air, rather than on the ground, and it is known that an airburst strike is a lot more powerful than ground detonation, though it's strange that there weren't any sirens or bomb carriers seen beforehand
You conveniently forget the chinese sub outside of Boston.The captain is a ghoul and admits he fired nuclear missiles. This tv show is a alternate universe. It isn't what happened in the games. It's a retcon inspired by Todd Howard and the shows writers to make a Fallout I believe for Todd that supersedes Fallout New Vegas. Now fans will believe Todd's version of things and in effect puts him firmly in charge of the fallout time line and makes the video game for all extents and purposes invalid. I almost congratulate Todd for being so slick. There are numerous ways to tell missiles have been launched. Obviously you don't know that. So no one with that knowledge would believe the bombs were planted on the ground. Most fan and casuals will believe Todd's version as what the game is and accept it. Todd will say it is canon as well. I believe that is phony but I am not making a big deal about it. In my mind the games are canon the tv show is a retcon and Todd is slick for taking away the narrative so as to speak from Obsidian.
@@ANGRYWOLVERINE2060-ft2nc Brother, this plot beat was taken directly from the scrapped Fallout movie. That was written in 1998, and it's been soft cannon ever since.
Throughout the show his wife keeps talking about the bombs dropping as an inevitable fact. This is most evident in the conversation she has with him about no dogs in the vaults. She keeps saying "when" the world ends not "if" the world will end.
Not to mention the whole "Good Vaults" shit. She pretty much tipped her hand that there are different tiers of Vault - which we know are a thing in the games (Experiment/Control, plus the special ones)
I don't know why but this scene gave me chills because I can only assume conversations like this happen between big corporate scum like Raytheon, Blackrock, GSK, Google and who knows what other corporations. To hear your wife whom you think the world of talk about privatizing the end of the world is horrifying
Lots of private companies participated in the holocaust. Many modern advancements made in medicine are thanks to the experiments the Nazis conducted on prisoners. Technological progress advances mostly through warfare, pandemics and genocides, the internet itself is based on military tech, Arpanet. Many things we use for commercial purpose have been initially developed for military purposes. What this movie is implying is not just fiction but reality.
@@VilaToro64 Not just scientists, but also people involved in military intelligence. Kurt Waldheim who served as the UN general secretary in the 80ties was a former Nazi intelligence Officer, and if he was an intelligence officer you can be sure he knew exactly what the Nazi regime was doing, he was probably involved in some shady business as well, there are claims that he participated in atrocities committed in Yugoslavia while he served in the military. Did you also know that the Rockefeller Foundation funded various eugenics programs in Germany prior to the take over by the Nazis.
@@disgraced101 It's good for the military industrial complex, there is always someone profiting from war and we the people pay the bill either in blood or money. I personally believe that the wars in Gaza and Ukraine are the lead-up for something big coming our way, but that's just speculation on my part.
@@mackyronniHe’s talking about Bud’s face not Coop. His smile immediately turns into a scowl when they start talking about the ways they can use the vaults to torture people.
Lol, same here. I could not believe Amazon wrote something so hilariously stupid and tried to play it off like we should take it seriously. "But if we blow up all our customers and destroy the entire market, and the world we live on, we could make more money!" = wtf
Bro this scene was awesome because we both know who was sitting up in the shadows at the top watching that meeting --- the enclave!! They really run the show
Knowing what lies ahead for all these head of the corporations who knew the end was coming, the door swings both ways. Leon - Dead in mariposa Bud - head stuck in a jar in a vault Sinclair - Death by poison cloud Mr house - Clubbed to death The only fates we don't know yet are Julia powers & Barb, don't know if they're dead or frozen
Well guys... Maybe not. In fallout 2 the president says that the Chinese dropped the first bomb. And he doesn't really have a reason to lie given he thinks he's about to kill the chosen one. Now since the usa government wouldn't have dropped a bomb, it only makes sense that they'd assume any bombs were dropped by China not vault tec.
Unless thats a wrong memo the government got at the time purposefully and the first strike was US on US, and the Enclave just goes by what is written, kinda of wishfulfilling their "noble" cause.
Most "failures" were intentional. Of the 122 vaults, only 20 were "as advertised", meant to supply for roughly 20+ years, then reopen to allow resettlement and reclaimation. ALL the others, any failure was intentional, as thry were ALL experiments of some kind.
@@jameskarg3240 yeah I know the vaults were experiments lol I’m saying they couldn’t even properly maintain the experiments 😂 also they couldn’t even destroy the world properly
They did effectively win when it came to the NCRs existence. The success of the NCR showed that Vault Tec was right. Vault 15, 13 and, 8 combined had made a functional post war society.
@@jameskarg3240 To be fair, not all experimental vaults were set up to fail, but to study different scenarios. Sure, something like Vault 12 was only going to end up in tears, but I doubt they thought something like Vault 22 was going to end up in Spore Carriers, or that the inhabitants of Vault 11 were going to follow the experiment like gremlins for years, instead of refusing to go with it and then unlocking the Vault.
They referenced some of the vaults from the games 0:50 Vault 34 (New Vegas) 1:06 Sounds like Vault 87 (Fallout 3) 1:11 Vault 106 (Fallout 3) (Edit) The overcrowding vault was actually Vault 27 like some mentioned. Also the Repconn person mentioned Vault 51 from Fallout 76 with the “milk delivery robot.”
@@oblivion9400your right, they had drug experiments but vault 95 was more around trying to get addicts cleaned up. Vault 106 was the one where you hallucinated due to drugs in the air.
Vault 34 is the one where the Boomers come out of because the overseer took away the dwellers rights to have their guns so I don't think that would be the overcrowded vault experiment, unless that's something I missed from the countless times I've went through that vault in New Vegas Edit: OK I looked it up and I guess I'm partially right since I never knew it was the overcrowding experiment and only took into account the Boomers whole experience within Vault 34
@@ramssescardenascontreras230your absolutely right. Vault 34 was where the Boomers originated from. Vault Tec gave them an easy to access armory and made them fight each other in order to live in the vault.
The fact that this is the moment where every piece of the puzzle got to its designated place the vaut-tec logo on the megaton bomb, Mr House overprotecting vegas... Everything's connected
Remember the script for the Fallout film that never got made way back in the early 2000s? In that script, it was said that Vault Tec started the Great War. So this wasn’t something made up on the fly, Vault Tec were ALWAYS the ultimate villain.
What does make sense in this is Mr House who is like "How the FUCK will this whole idea even work? Destroyed world without anything left?" That is why he made sure to actually save at least Mojave desert with Las Vegas, which was genius in the long run
They earned their "war never changes" moment, they could've had Ron Perlman do his little speech at the beginning of the series for fanservice, but they decided to build up to it and it landed SO HARD. This series went above and beyond my expectations, and I hope they do so again with Season 2
I don't get it though war is always changing. The first war was fought with hands and feet, the second swords and spears, the third bows, ect. War always changes
@@aprofessionalgamer5355 That's the series catchphrase and ultimately the thesis of the franchise since Fallout 1 back in 1997. The methods change, but the nature and futility of it as demonstrated by the massive body counts of both the Brotherhood and NCR at the end of this season visually conveys that War...War Never Changes.
This part had me shook so straight up evil, I wouldn't be surprised if stuff like this really happens in the real world...who am i kidding ik it does. Those people at the table may have thought they're In control, but little do they know there is always a higher up who are actually in control , and they are just pieces on the chess board
Oh yes just look at the coup of Guatemala, the CIA threw that country into near permanent chaos because they elected someone that didn’t want to deal with the United Fruit Company who exploited labor there. And thus began a chain of US-backed ruthless dictators and a 36 year long civil war
Something I just noticed in this scene. Everyone is giddy as hell, talking about what they want to do with their Vaults after Coop's wife suggests those ones can be experiments. The camera keeps cutting back to Bud Askins. His face looks concerned and not as excited as he was at the start of the meeting. I don't think he was totally in on the experiments idea.
He seems to be perfectly fine with the concept of the vault experiments in general. He just doesn’t seem to be down for the experiments that involve torture and are otherwise completely pointless.
If Amazon and MGM play their cards right there is enough material here to have Fallout not only be an ongoing series but have the potential for multiple spin offs, movies, animated series, and more.
@@projectddlc2047 Peace talks were coming between the two sides as you can hear in the first episode. But regardless, Vault-Tec hedged its bets against humanity, taking away any chance that maybe mans ability to seek peace might've won over. What they ultimately did was push the war off the edge of the point of no return for profit and power, which is probably the most evil things done in all of Fallout.
@@DaviRed_ if JFK hadn't stopped operation northwoods, you'd be with the crowd calling the people blaming the government paranoid after they covered it all up
"I need... a divorce... years ago. Fuck, I'm gonna divorce her and re-marry just so I can divorce her harder. EVERYTHING SHE IS SAYING IS MAKING ME ANGRY!"
Personally, I think it's more like "We wipe out modern civilization, let the remnants & flickers slowly die out, experiment all this time in our vaults with our "genius ideas", then rise from the underground to reshape the world in our perfect image". Not too far a stretch from the Enclaves plans in Fallout 2/Van Buren, experiment in the vaults and use those lessons as we go to space and colonize another planet in our "perfect image".
@@toxicice5251considering she looks for approval from a mysterious, shadowy figure overlooking the scene from a balcony, I think these may just BE the Enclave.
@warlordofbritannia that would be a paltry excuse. Nothing excuses willing killing billions just cause it was going to happen anyway and for capitalistic profit.
They didn't do it for profit. Vault tec along with the other megacorp in the Enclave sought to destroy the world and rule whatever's left of humanity as a tyrant. Their eventual goal is to escape earth and form new civilization in space as the leader
@@rogeryoung7562The Enclave was in cahoots with them all the time. Vault-Tec wanted economic dominion, they would have become THE official state corporation if the Enclave emerged as the ruling power of the wastes after the bombs.
Pretty glad we got three separate stories in the main cast cause we were taken more into the “FALLOUT” world instead of just focusing on one point of view. This here is an example we wouldn’t have gotten with Lucy or Max and I think the show did awesome in taking us into this world
I was watching this on TikTok thinking it really was just a normal vid until bro’s wife said “ we’ll drop them ourselves “. I love fallout and have always thought vault Tec was already shady as hell but this made them THE most evil faction in all of fallout. People, for years, were asking who was the first to drop the bombs and many blamed china but now knowing vault tec dropped the bombs first, creating the vaults for their heinous experiments, and basically ended the world for control, power and curiosity. This reveal is absolutely mind boggling.
@@smugcat723Yes.But at least his vision for his Vaults "seem" ethical because they will ensure that people will live on in total "safety" for a long time.The ideas that the other CEOs had for their vaults were made because it would be "fun" to add cruel and completely unethical twists to how the vaults would work for shits and giggles.
Walton Goggins is such a good actor and it pains me that it took this long to realize The absolute and utter shock on his face when he learns the truth is immaculate
Jesus, I only finshed the show last night, the moment Cooper's wife said "we drop the bomb ourselves" had me in as much shock as Cooper, from that moment on the meeting had my full attention and as a die hard fallout fan, I thought the show was abousltey fantastic. We all knew Vault-Tec was bad we just didn't know they were evil.
For anyone who who was wondering why there are also valets in Canada, it's because at this point in in the Fallout universe the United States had annexed Canada making it part of the United States.
This doesnt outright confirm that they did drop the bombs, only that they were willing to do it and I feel this is the way the series will take this, introduce more players in the game all of whom considered dropping the bombs but we will get told who actually did it
Agreed. I think Vault-Tec sabotaged the peace talks in order to ensure that their business model didn't implode, but that pushed the Chinese into a situation where they couldn't win the war and couldn't end the war through negotiation. With the Americans convinced (due to the failed peace talks) that the Chinese were unwilling to agree to a negotiated peace, this ramped the tension up to the point where everyone was poised to launch their full arsenals at each other. In the end, I don't think we'll ever know for certain who fired first. Maybe the Chinese launched a first strike as a last desperate gamble. Maybe the Americans decided to end the war as swiftly as possible and miscalculated the Chinese response time. Maybe someone in an early-warning facility misidentified a satellite as an incoming missile and panicked. When everyone is so constantly on-edge, one mistake would be enough. To tell the truth, "who fired first" doesn't really matter. What is important is that Vault-Tec ruined the world's last best chance to step away from the cliff-edge because they couldn't stand to lose. Had the war ended peacefully, it's likely a lot of people would start asking questions about why all these mega-corporations had so much influence in Washington. For Vault-Tec, peace was the end of their world.
I think vault tec wanted to drop the bomb but China beat them to it because they were scared of losing the war as Beijing was a front line city i believe near the end. Vault Tec was still building Vaults like 114 in Boston when the bombs dropped I think they would've wanted to finish them before they dropped the bomb.
Yeah, vault 88 was also still under construction, maybe they had to drop it prematurely because the war got into a really bad state, so they fasttracked and to make sure they knew when it was going to drop, they evacuated everyone to the vaults and then immediately dropped it
Makes more sense that China dropped the bomb first, but Vault-tec amassed a nuclear arsenal for that purpose. A reason why Vault-tec nukes can be found in 76, 3 and 4. (and perhaps also why Hank & Betty decided to nuke Shady Sands - because it wasn't Vault-tec sanctioned)
That’s probably why he was so confused that he wasn’t getting into the vault. With 111 being a cryogenics vault like 31, I guess he thought he’d be one of the Vault Tec representatives to survive it all. Which he sort of did, probably not the way he wanted to though
I like how the room has ashtrays and Mr. House is smoking. It's a small thing, but how Fallout's retro world has cigars and ashtrays everywhere and people smoke without minding second-hand smoke is just perfect
@@occono3543 yeah, i think youre right, it makes sense It looks off but its not bad enough to ruin the scene, we can pretend that it looked weird because it's Cooper's PoV and he was having a major panic attack
the guy playing the West Tek rep is sooooo good holy shit. most of the acting in this show was incredible but this dude clearly read the assignment!!! his super exaggerated mannerisms and comical levels of evil give off fallout 1 mob boss talking head vibes
@@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal oooh i didnt realize that that guy was Sinclair. Then that does makes sense. Specially House roasting him for loosing money
@@lillith3159Well, to be fair, the Sinclair we see in NV looks like a skinny, handsome portrait. I was legit wondering who the guy representing Big MT was at first 😆
Imagine finding out your wife is a total psychopath, and has fooled you for your entire marriage. The loving, caring, woman you married was a character she was playing.
I remember a time when Fallout 4 was just released, I read a discussion in Reddit or Quora (?) about who started the Great War/dropped the nukes. Speculations were US, China, Vault-tec, Mr. House, or even the Zetans. It is amazing to have evidence and confirmation that Vault-tec was somehow capitalizing the bad conditions of the world. Further, I am amazed to know that the different types of experiment on the vaults were not all came from Vault-tec, but with other major corporations
As an old school Fallout fan, it’s hilarious how they’re trying portray Vault-Tec as the prime conspirator, even though almost everyone else in the room is already one step ahead of them. For y’all new fans, here’s a rundown (POTENTIAL SPOILERS for season 2 and any games you haven’t played): Mr. House (0:12) had already calculated that nuclear war was inevitable 15 years before it happened. By this point in the timeline, he’s already fortifying Vegas with a defense grid, plus his own plan for human repopulation. He’s a major figure in the Mojave Wasteland even 200 years later. Big Mountain Research Facility (0:52) is already on the “unethical experimentation” train. In fact, the experiments conducted at Big MT (alt: Big Empty) make the Vault-Tec experiments look like a high school science class. Sinclair (a significant figure in one of the DLC’s) feigns interest, but doesn’t reveal Big MT is already doing much worse. Ironically, the Big MT experiments actually produced useful results. Even by Fallout standards, the technology at Big MT is decades more advanced than even Pre-War tech, including teleportation, hardlight holograms, and matter synthesizers. West-Tek (0:10) is the company that developed the Forced Evolution Virus (FEV), which causes horrific mutations. The idea was to create a new race of humans that could survive a nuclear apocalypse. Old fans remember FEV as being central to The Master’s plan. New fans may recognize it as the substance Vault 4 used in their experiments. Here, he suggests that particular experiment because West-Tek was already doing that. Also fun fact, the Brotherhood of Steel was originally formed by US Army soldiers under West-Tek who turned against the company when they found out about the FEV experiments. Repconn (0:15) is the odd one out. Unlike the others, they weren’t involved in any shady dealings and were purely concerned with space exploration. In fact, it’s especially odd that they’re here, since Mr. House should have already absorbed the company into RobCo by now.
Ok so I've seen similar comments before. I am going to make a pinned comment addressing exactly this. But for now. Mr. house: Yes he did. But I think that he might be at the meeting, specifically because he calculated it. It would make sense that as part of his preparations he would make some connections with vault-tec. Him being at this meeting could be the result of these connections that he made. Possibly even so he could start stocking vault 21 with the things he knew he would need after the bombs dropped. Or being able to use vault-tec engineers to build things like his securitron vault. Big mountain: So yeah, they were doing experiments. But Doctor borous says that Vault-tec were the best at this. They had been stuck on Big MT with essentially zero contact with the outside world for two hundred years by the time of new vegas. So the only way they could have known about these experiments would have been if they in some way were apart of them. Also remember that this is Sinclair from the Serria Madre, not one of the doctors. So the doctors themselves might have not had a direct influence on this. West-tek: That was the masters goal to make a new species to survive the wasteland. West Tek was working for the government to make super soldiers. This is essentially just an explanation of why in fallout 3 theres vault 87. And it would make sense to have test subjects in vaults, there 100% of diet, water intake, and everything else can be completely controlled. Also the pre war vault dwellers that went in, weren't expected to come out again. Unlike say, a military base which has to keep track of prisoners and just hope that the soldiers stationed there don't notice them constantly disappearing. Repconn: So Repconn was probably planted by Mr. House here. So that he could essentially have two representatives, 100% more votes than the others if you will. Since you know the house always wins. Also the original goal for vaut-tec in concept was to be doing all these tests to help in setting up a colony on the moon for the enclave to bugger off to. To get to the moon you need rockets. Arcade Gannon also mentions that Repconn made Plasma weapons, I can't remember where but I think some vaults had plasma weapons though can't remember more specifically.
@@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal Big MT is the one that makes the least sense. First, yes, that’s Frederick Sinclair, but he was never a member of Big MT. His only association with them was because he contracted them to help build the Sierra Madre. Incidentally, that’s how he was aware of the Big MT experiments, since part of his agreement with them was to allow the Cloud, the prototype Hazmat Suits, and the Saturnite knives . Even then, Sinclair made it clear he didn’t like working with them. That’s why it’s so strange that he’s suddenly a representative for them.
Honestly I never paid much attention to dead money. Easily my least favourite dlc out of all fallout games (Favourite is lonesome road). But maybe the connection goes deeper than that, like they're sister companies or something like that. I'd need to do research but it isn't lore defying by any means.
@@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal Don’t worry, I’m not a fan of Dead Money either. My information actually comes from Old World Blues. iirc, there’s several terminal entries that spoke of Sinclair’s project. It’s been awhile, but I do remember neither Sinclair nor Big MT liked dealing with each other and kept a distant client/business relationship. Edit: Found them. They’re in several research facilities in the crater. Y-0, Z-38, and Z-43 terminal entries.
@@bsgfan1 I've been meaning to make a video of Doctor Klien saying "NONSENSE! That is what you speak! NONSENSE. A lack of sense!" I may spend a couple days going through some youtube videos so I can both, find that Sinclair information and clip that.
There’s not many people realize that aside from Hank, Betty (New overseer for Vault 33) is also present, because the Bomb dropped too hard and people are in shocked for sure 😂
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Halt! I have two things.
1: I think you are taking this wrong. A lot, and I mean A LOT of you are talking about how its capitalist or anti capitalist and all about money. It isn't. If you pay attention you see that they're talking about essentially remaking the world from scratch, not profiting from it. Instead setting it up "perfectly". Mr. House is the only one who brings up "significant earning potential". But he's House, that's kind of his thing. So it isn't about money, its about "everyone wants to save the world. They just disagree about how." And they're kind of right. Hypothetically a society that was constructed instead of created through natural progression would probably be a lot more efficient and peaceful than the alternative. But obviously, don't be nuking the world.
2: There has been some confusion on these companies and why they are here. Rob-Co, West-tek, Repconn, Big MT. I will explain why each of them are present at this meeting and how it doesn't change anything about previous fallout lore.
Mr. house/Rob-Co: So basically the main bit of confusion here is that in 2065 Mr. House calculated the bombs will drop in 2077, yet here it seems as though he got the information from this Vault-Tec meeting. It makes most sense that he is actually at this meeting because he did calculate it. Since he was making preparations it makes sense to make connections with vault-tec, connections which probably landed him a seat at this meeting. He also may have used this meeting to stock vault 21 with supplies he needed for his plans for Vegas.
West-Tek: West-tek made the FEV (Forced Evolutionary Virus). They had it at several locations including their West Virgina research location, the Mariposa military base and most importantly for here, vault 87. Vault 87 is the origin of super mutants in fallout 3. It would make sense for West-Tek to want to set up various different FEV research centres. The Mariposa base for direct military oversight, the West Virgina location was to test its effects on an unsuspecting population slowly, something taht couldn't really be done in a laboratory enviroment, and vault 87 would be perfect since they could control 100% of their test subjects diets, exercise, water intake, and well everything else. Not to mention that all of the pre war vault dwellers that entered vault 87 weren't expected to re emerge. A perfect environment for such experimentation.
Repconn: This is the strangest one. Repconn made rockets and worked on plasma rifle prototypes. Vault-Tec originally in some external material was going to colonize the moon as a puppet for the Enclave to bugger off to after the bombs destroyed everything. So they would need rockets for that goal. There is also the Vault-Tec: Among the Stars at Nuka world so clearly space is still something of a priority for them. I also seem to recall something about plasma rifles in a vault though can't remember what specifically. But most relevantly, Mr. House purchased Repconn so the Repconn representative here would have been essentially a puppet for Mr. House. Giving him two votes more or less, which is a very House thing to do. Since as we know, the house always wins.
Big MT: So this isn't a scientist, its Sinclair from the Serria Madre. So we don't know how much the doctors from old world blues actually were involved here. But whats important is that doctor Borous says that Vault-tec was best at these types of experiments and went on to talk about how they had to build fake cities for communist test subjects. So Borous was aware of these vault experiments and had some intimate knowledge about them before the bombs dropped, since the big MT lost all communication with the outside world after that happened. Since this was such a closely guarded secret the only way Borous could know this would be if he was involved somehow, like if he was part of a conspiracy.
So all of this makes perfect lore sense. No retcons or contradictions.
Wow I guessing they were conspiracy theories and even enclave they were stay shadowy government allowing this happen.
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Dead serious question. Instead of this being something to be confused by because of the lore, shouldn't be this meeting actually what WE NEEDED to know so lore makes more sense now?
If so, Why is people confused? As I said, this is then, supposed to make perfectly sense and fit well in the "End of the world" problem we had all the years. WE NEVER KNEW WHO STARTED THE ATTACK, AND having in mind that vault tec needed an end of the world and COINCIDENTALLY getting to it while assuming it was china or USA who attacked first was so... dumb. Like, this was... something to expect, either way, after all of these years, we really get to answer this question.
@@septras6534 people are confused because they had assumptions about the lore, assumptions which aren't true. This is simply an explanation of how it does work.
@@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal Excellent then, I was confused about people being confused. I'm not lore god but I quite understood this scene while watching it. Thanks for the aclaration!
The part where he hears his wife say they’d drop the bombs themselves and pretty much goes into shock, terrific acting
Absolute defeat, sourcing from a complete disappointment and turn of events has never been so clearly expressed physically. Walton Goggins was amazing in this show.
Yeah that part. That's how I reacted to the knowlege IRL the first time I saw it. The fact that he could perfectly replicate my reaction...that's an acting legend.
I NEEEED to see what Cooper does to Hank.
He fought in anchorage, seen the costs of war firsthand
Now his wife suggests killing billions, for profit
I was as shocked as the man
I like how mr house is basically like "This is a fucking stupid idea wtf do we get out of this? A destroyed world with limited resources"
Yeah, Mr. House was only person who was fully skeptical about whole plan in the meeting, fully aware that it was too risky and wasn't good business in long run.
@@f22littleraptor21dude is smart
@@f22littleraptor21And if he’s to be believed in New Vegas, will actually make attempts to stop the bombs.
@@f22littleraptor21 "Written into the treaty were provisions that the NCR do nothing to prevent it's soldiers and civilians from visiting the strip." and "What is the NCR? A society of people desperate to experience comfort, ease, luxury...A society of customers." were both quotes from the game that i enjoyed hearing. The dude knows how to turn a hostile predicament around and even get good business out of it. He goes on further to say how he doesn't really give af about what people do in the private time, all that matters is what they bring to the table, in most cases their money. He has a knack for business and knows people are a resource. His plans to reignite the science divisions that'll eventually lead people entering orbit to scour for new worlds to colonize as opposed to somehow rebuilding a society in a nuclear fallout inhabited planet beyond saving, sounds more reasonable imo.
So vault tec dropped the bombs ?
Imagine this. This whole meeting repeated in Cooper's mind when the bombs were dropped in episode 1. He remembered all of this and who did it. That wasn't horror that flashed in his eyes. It was realization and the ultimate kind of betrayal.
It was horror and EVERYTHING at once that he realized what it was
"Christ alive, she actually pressed the button..."
While her daughter was also NOT inside a Vault.
@@Mulluns So it is highly likely that rather than them actually dropping the bomb themselves, they manufactured the conditions that caused the countries to attack each other. In that scenario, it is possible that she didn't have perfect control over when EXACTLY it happened. That would explain why her daughter wasn't in a vault when things went down.
@@NinetooNineI tend to think the same, the fact that their daughter was at a party with Cooper kinda implies that despite considering dropping the bombs, the great war actually unfolded before they were prepared and caught them off guard
@@NinetooNine just makes her even more of a monster...for her absolutely evil goal of dooming the world, she sacrificed her own family to achieve it
It’s funny, House talked quite a bit without actually saying anything.
He never revealed his leanings or positions to anyone. And yet whenever he posed an inquiry, he always got an answer.
House was in control here. Reassuring to see they actually did him justice.
Never showing his hand, while subtly getting them to reveal theirs.
The house always wins.
And yet for all that control he was still unaware of those in the upper level of the meeting room (presumably the enclave representatives) directing the conversation through vault tec showing that even someone like him was just a pawn in someone else's plan.
@@orklord6568 for all his preparations, House couldn’t stop all the missiles because he got the date wrong.
For all his wealth, resources, and intelligence, he was still a card in someone else’s deck.
If his ending was indeed canon, I’d be interested to see how he rebels against his masters.
Unlike in New Vegas, House is in the environment he knows very well and has mastered thoroughly.
@@derekjohnson8910 If the House ending for New Vegas is canon, he is probably more powerful than the West Coast Enclave, maybe even the Chicago Enclave. Controlling one of the most well developed areas (the Mojave and New Vegas) in the setting would give him considerable power.
Having been invested in the series for 15+ years, it's shocking, but not at all surprising to hear that Vault Tec was behind their own country's destruction.
the whole worlds destuction
Yet anotheer retcon. China did it originally but Amazon and Bugthesda gotta have that Tencent money.
@@followerofslack3919 source?
As far as I'm aware it was never revealed on who dropped the bombs first
@@followerofslack3919source
@@followerofslack3919there is nothing to back up what you are saying. before this show there was no confirmation of who shot first, so far this sense is the only confirmed lore on the object.
My jaw drops every time they start naming all the f***** up vaults in the game, this moment alone was awesome.
real
What was the one with the milk robot?
@@SwordTune Smith Casey's Garage in Fallout 3. The one controlled by Robobrains and all dwellers are stuck in a simulation.
@justaguy6133 no that is a completely different experiment
What about the fact that Leon von Felden (west-tek) who Roger Maxson executes in mariposa finally gets a face and it's none other than Papa Suchong? And Woozie?
Benny was right..
The game was rigged from the start.
Ring a ding ding baby
DAMN YOU PERRY!
Wish Matthew was alive. Would’ve loved to see him in the next season.
Aww damn now I wish they had used that line. Maybe it's a common saying, whatever, that would have been so good too.
@@aseem2985What's more depressing is that he was a fan of the Fallout franchise. He didn't get to see the show.
I like how they used the companies. House being a voice of dissent is consistent enough with his game persona and it would be interesting to see how New Vegas and him might appear in the next season.
I think the show happens after NV, so House could be dead at this point.. thats if they didn't make any changes in the lore..
@@crazychinese7315 I think they will have to decide which ending is canon. There was the order not to mess with any of the games's endings but I think they will have to choose one since the next season will include New Vegas.
Mr. House wasn’t really the voice of dissent though, he seemed to go along with it. Which completely goes against his stance in new vegas.
@@Zerospacedude He seemed initially skeptical about the Vaults and didn't suggest experiments like the others. I think he was overall shown as a bit pragmatic about his objections.
@@Zerospacedudehe wasn't really going with it and wasn't out right against it.
He was being inquisitive and learning.
He brushed off the potential for the earnings from the experiments.
But questioned how that can even be useful if the vaults end up not being used if no bombs ever drop.
Which he probably figured they would have something to say about that and he got his answer.
Which may be why he knew that the bombs would be coming soon from what he said in new Vegas working to protect new Vegas from then on.
This plot twist was first conceived with the writing of the 1998 film script. Since Fallout 2, there has been subtle nods, hints, and references that Vault-Tec had something to do with the Great War. An "Always Has Been" that was everpresent in the games, but never explicitly stated until now. One example of this is the nuke in Megaton having the Vault-Tec logo, and the missile silos in Fallout 76 containing Vault-Tec equipment. A scrapped Vault in New Vegas (24) would have been located near real life Sugar Bunker, where nuclear testing was performed. These are just a few of all the nods that were made to the inevitable truth.
I also believe it was mentioned in the fallout bible.
It's also always been a blank space with what actually happened to Vault-Tec. They built all these vaults: what did they make for themselves? How did they plan to survive to collect the data from all their experiments? Seems like we might get an answer in Season 2, with wherever Hank is going, or whatever vault Barb was talking about.
@TheGIJew. In a cut game from Van Buren, it was revealed that Vault-Tec built a special Vault for the Vault-tec Executives that would have overseen every Vault in the Network.
It's based somewhere outside of Denver.
@@TheGIJew. Could be Vault 24?
Vaults with similar numbers are typically close to each other. Vault 22 is South of where real life Sugar Bunker is located, and the location for Sugar Bunker in New Vegas is oddly blank. Dropping bombs was a huge attraction for Vegas, and that's not mentioned much at all in NV. Meaning whatever is going on with nuclear testing involved cut content. Which ties in with Vault 24.
Truth is...the game was rigged from the start.
Atypical corporate business model in a nutshell...
"The people of the planet have no need for our product... So let's create that need"
Yep..create a problem and provide solution big pharma is good at that
That's why we should never allow the people in high places of power to make nuclear shelters. Because when those in power wouldn't personally pay for their mistakes or wouldn't feel those consequences they would actually press the button in a nuclear escalation.
@@ignacio4159 on one hand; agreed. On the other hand, I have bad news to tell you- the people in high places of power all have nuclear bunkers. And food, gas, etc. stockpiles. Many even have private islands, and/or massive fortified fiefdoms in remote places like New Zealand in case shit goes to hell. More than a few also have their own private military corporations, which answer to no state and carve out their niche in the world through offering plausible deniability to their state/corporate clients for the atrocities they commit. Some of the wealthiest or most powerful of them even privately own, or otherwise control, their own space programs.
Literally none of what I've said is even particularly obscure knowledge; it's even reported in many mainstream news sites, how billionaires are buying up land and building bunkers in NZ for instance. And the activities and history of Blackwater/Academi are notorious to say the least. Then there's SpaceX/Virgin Galactic/etc and the emerging private space industry.
You are absolutely mental if you think this makes a lick of sense. "Let's blow the world up for muh capitalism!" is literally the dumbest TV villain plot I've seen in years
@@richter6699 Hate to break it to you buddy… but that’s already happening, just has to do more with slow climate change than sudden nuclear annihilation.
love the fact house was the only ceo who didn't pitch an idea for the vaults. He didn't say anything about making weird vault like west-tek and etc. Look at him now from what we know he the only one remaining from table who still on the surface building something new
The House always wins
It's pretty ironic that, despite their plotting, most of those representatives did not survive for long after the bombs were dropped. Sinclair died in Sierra Madre the very same day after the bombs, Von Felden (West Tek guy) was eventually killed by Roger Maxson (who will eventually create the Brotherhood of Steel) during the interrogation in Mariposa Military Base. Julia Masters' (Repconn) fate is unknown, though she likely perished as well during the bombs or soon after if she wasn't lucky enough to get a spot in a normal and safe control Vault.
It also explains how House was able to "calculate" when the bombs dropped.
It was really weird he KNEW they would drop within 10 years... yet somehow nobody else was able to "calculate" it. But with him in the room it makes so much more sense.
@@unematrix he calculated it around 2065 that in the next 10-15 the world will burn. This meeting (which was likely around late 2076/early 2077 ) just proved him that he was correct in his calculations.
@mtsen771 the political atmosphere must have given him the notion that this sort of thing is going to happen. And like you said, this meeting most likely confirmed to him that the bombs were gonna drop, it just cleared the picture enough to see WHO started it
You can TELL, that the writers not only played the games but Learned all of the lore.they reference vaults that you would only know the story of by Reading through terminals and Notes. I wish the halo TV show learned from these guys instead of bragging about not knowing a thing about the IP
Comes down to license agreement. It tells ppl that uses if what must be mandatory, not changed and changed and so on. For fallout they kept license agreement strict while for halo you can tell it wasn’t strict.
Which if my theory is true on haters some of them are angry and jealous halo fans unhappy how show turned our reception wise but fallout is getter better praise.
By only reading the Fallout Bible you can get most of those ideas.
@@San_VitoOr you know, playing the games.
Actually the reveal that vault tec is behind the apocalypse is planned but it was supposed to be in the fallout movie instead
@@justiceriser8970 There's a movie?
1:30 This is a great example of Walton Goggon’s acting skills. You can see the shock and pain just in his eyes. Not to belittle Frances Turner’s excellent portrayal of a two faced maniac who gave me vibes that she might actually love her family.
She probably does love them, in her own fucked up way
She Is a Monster..
The most evil wife in the history
@@dimazfantasy5252 and she is black villain, an extremely good one too, a bold and a courageous move from woke fever that plagues the next big hit from Amazon, Warhammer 40k and its infamous female Adeptus Custodes
Just because you love your family, doesn’t make you any less of a monster
Making Barabara a bloodthirsty corporate woman was a master stroke on the writer's part
There was somebody watching this meeting in the shadows, and she seemed nervous, so she very well could have been a pawn and only played the part to get her daughter to safety
@@mrmr4622 Oh I love that idea! Could bring some more tension in in season 2 when they might confront eachother
@@mrmr4622 yeah that was because of her pidboy which made her nervous.... And worrying.
@@mrmr4622 like do people like you pay attention at all?
@@mrmr4622 yeah she literally wants to nuke the world because of her daughter genius. Again did you pay attention?
God this plan was so stupid. No wonder house abandoned immediately and decided to do his own thing instead. He was the only one in the room with any sense whatsoever.
based
For real. It's the most retarded plan ever, and also, the acting in the board room meeting scene was fucking terrible lmao.
Agreed, I am still inclined to believe Mr. House is now an idiot however. Because he was told what was happening. Personally, I would like to stay and be amongst the living.
Yeah, it just goes to show you how out of touch Vault Tech and the Enclave were with reality.
I would consider this bad writing, however, since Fallout is a satire as well, I'll just let it slide.
"Mr. Howard huge fan. Henry, but everyone calls me Maud'Dib".
He was using the Thu'um before it was cool.
HE WHO CONTROLS HELIOS ONE CONTROLS THE MOJAVE DESERT!!!
The caps must flow.
He who can destroy the world has the real control over it
**cue Dune woman chant**
Lisan al-fking-gaib!
I consider this a legendary twist. Puts the entirely of the Fallout universe in a whole new light.
It's an important revelation, but not too surprising, there were already many suspicious that vault tec started all this
Twist?
It's not a twist but a big exposition instead. Also it's not a true 100% but now its safest to consider it as the truth until theres another that refutes it
Not really a twist. We’ve known for a long time that the Enclave/Vault-Tec purposefully pushing things to the breaking point knowing full well what was going to happen.
@@warlordofbritannia
Up until now, there’s never been confirmation on who started the Great War.
1:32 I was in SOOO much shock at this scene, immediately turning into respect for Walter Goggins's reaction then turning into the endless urge to quick save the game & punch his wife in the face.
You can tell how much of a shock he's in. His face immediately starts getting wet from his sweating. His heart rate is probably jacked and his blood pressure through the roof
Got to love the lil save before going absolutely ham
So she just senteced her daughter life to death by starting the nuclear war while she is at a birthday party?
Greed and power, you can see that in hanks face too when he tries to urge Lucy what he did is best for everyone. That moment Lucy isn’t talking to her father but a madman.
its clear shes probably alive. The Ghoul asks hank where’s his family. They must be alive
@@FancyNCR Yes, it was an interesting moment. However if anyone is not sitting in a vault when it happens, not a real chance to survive. Maybe the girl also a little ghoul taken from him.
@@FancyNCR for sure she went to find her husband and daughter but possibly knew he was listening in, question and knock/shot him. he was left outside and woke up not knowing where they went. bombs dropped and he tried to find cover with it enough to keep him alive but exposed to extreme radiation and turn into what he is.
A woman so psychopathic as to literally say the idea that her own company be the ones to initiate a global nuclear war by initially bombing American cities under the guise of a nuclear sneak attack which would kill millions of children in itself probably isn’t more than a hop skip and jump away from being willing to kill her own child. You see how willing Lucy’s dad was to sacrifice his own wife at Shady Sands, maybe we see in Season 2 her becoming more deranged as flashbacks show their marriage coming apart now that Cooper knows, either by confronting her or by Vault Tec or herself figuring out the listening device and his daughter already scared wanting to go be with Cooper at which at that point her mom washes her hands of her.
Maybe in an attempt to get her daughter back tells Cooper to bring her to a Vault in case something happened and when he got there he was shot and left outside while he daughter was taken. Maybe he was captured and experimented on, while his daughter and ex wife slept on in stasis.
All I know, is I cannot wait for Season 2
The fact that after decades we find that vault tec is the main villain in fallout universe
You never read any terminals?
You say that like we didn’t already know that
While it was never "CONFIRMED" we definitely suspected it for sometime. You can dig into some of the terminals in the Vaults in-game and Vault-Tec clearly knew the exact date the bombs would fall which is sus af. Tie that with the fact they were a massive corporation who could profit immensely from the red scare hysteria + threat of nuclear Armageddon and it just makes sense that they were the ones who at the very least would WANT the bombs to fall. Especially with every vault having social, mental and physical experiments.
Lmao we have been knowing that my guy and most people thought they/the enclave (although I bet that’s the guy who is in the window above them) did it
Deleted my comment lmao wuss
Insane feeling watching this meeting that could only come from this type of show. I (and other fans) spent hours walking through destroyed vaults, gleaning the horrors of the experiments through holotapes, terminal entries, and corpses. To see a group of people in a room actually planning the vaults was mindblowing. Each offhand concept these executives suggest brought me back to the moment I actually found the vaults they're suggesting here.
I completely understand that. I was also surprised by the dark twist with Vault 4. When we're introduced to the Hawthornes, they seem ordinary scientists, but in the holotapes you can see glimpses of their horrific experiments, I think the horror behind the Vaults was set up pretty well in the show.
My mind was flashing back to those Vaults, Rusted interiors, the Greentext entrys detailing every part that went wrong, Fallout 3, New Vegas, 4!!!! All of them in painful and tragic experiments costing in Human lives and untold misery, and they planned them for kicks without oversight and regulations, i was getting more and more angry, and that mother dared to use her own daughter as an excuse when countless others was torn from their own parents, forced to kill, seperate, Indoctornate, every sin of the results that came from their unchecked curiousity, only thing out of my mouth was "You motherfuckers", Hell isn't enough of a punishment for what they did to the world.
note how all these 'ideas' that are come up with, Mr. House doesn't come up with any of them. only one he may have come up with is people settling disputes over a game of poker, aka Vault 21
Given his plans in New Vegas and the fact he had Vault 21 filled in with cement the moment he had the chance to do so. I’d say House certainly wasn’t a fan of the crazy scheme.
And Vault 21 had the tamest one in not only the Mojave but the world
It is heavily implied by Tim Cain that China was the one who dropped the nukes first as a retalliation against U.S who were experimenting FEV on Chinese prisoners of war. China warned them to not turn to biological weapons but US did not care therefore they dropped nukes first.
Also Vault-Tec having plans to drop bombs means doesnt equal to them actually dropping bombs first.
Why is it so hard to understand for you people?
Id say that he propably had a form of say in what happened in vault 21 as it was built in his sphere of influence.
Would not be surprised he suggested the whole gambling thing as something relatively benign but in character as to not seem at odds with the whole project.
He needed to stay in the loop as to know how much time he had to prepare. Having a few vaults nearby was unavoidable so best to have them be okish
Nobody could have predicted vault 22
I KNEW IT. That opening scene of the series with the detonations in Los Angeles, all of the explosions looked like they happened at ground level, instead of ICBM launched airburst warheads. Those bombs were PLANTED on the ground beforehand.
I thought the same, but the main flashes happened in the air, rather than on the ground, and it is known that an airburst strike is a lot more powerful than ground detonation, though it's strange that there weren't any sirens or bomb carriers seen beforehand
You conveniently forget the chinese sub outside of Boston.The captain is a ghoul and admits he fired nuclear missiles.
This tv show is a alternate universe. It isn't what happened in the games. It's a retcon inspired by Todd Howard and the shows writers to make a Fallout I believe for Todd that supersedes Fallout New Vegas. Now fans will believe Todd's version of things and in effect puts him firmly in charge of the fallout time line and makes the video game for all extents and purposes invalid.
I almost congratulate Todd for being so slick.
There are numerous ways to tell missiles have been launched. Obviously you don't know that. So no one with that knowledge would believe the bombs were planted on the ground.
Most fan and casuals will believe Todd's version as what the game is and accept it. Todd will say it is canon as well.
I believe that is phony but I am not making a big deal about it. In my mind the games are canon the tv show is a retcon and Todd is slick for taking away the narrative so as to speak from Obsidian.
@@ANGRYWOLVERINE2060-ft2nc Brother, this plot beat was taken directly from the scrapped Fallout movie. That was written in 1998, and it's been soft cannon ever since.
@@lucaswilliams2292 ignore him he's salty that ""normies"" and ""casuals"" have ruined fallout. typical elitist moronic attitude
@@ANGRYWOLVERINE2060-ft2nc how does that stick up your ass feel?
So this is the literal in-universe reason why all of Fallout’s Vault ecosystems throughout the series are so different. That’s really damn brilliant!
Best part is that it all have been set up through out the game’s lore.
Its a surprising twist that makes a lot of sense
Didn’t braun thought of all the experiments?
Throughout the show his wife keeps talking about the bombs dropping as an inevitable fact. This is most evident in the conversation she has with him about no dogs in the vaults. She keeps saying "when" the world ends not "if" the world will end.
Not to mention the whole "Good Vaults" shit. She pretty much tipped her hand that there are different tiers of Vault - which we know are a thing in the games (Experiment/Control, plus the special ones)
1:38 That look of pain is heartbreaking. The moment he realizes that his wife is a monster. 💔
Right it was an absolute shocking moment when she said we drop the bomb ourselves to force humanity to live their entire lives in the vault.
facts!!! his wife is a demon but damn good acting and episode.
☕️
He handled his emotions quite very well. I would have vomit from such a revelation
never threaten a mama bear with cubs...
I don't know why but this scene gave me chills because I can only assume conversations like this happen between big corporate scum like Raytheon, Blackrock, GSK, Google and who knows what other corporations. To hear your wife whom you think the world of talk about privatizing the end of the world is horrifying
Lots of private companies participated in the holocaust. Many modern advancements made in medicine are thanks to the experiments the Nazis conducted on prisoners. Technological progress advances mostly through warfare, pandemics and genocides, the internet itself is based on military tech, Arpanet. Many things we use for commercial purpose have been initially developed for military purposes. What this movie is implying is not just fiction but reality.
@Ryo_Le_Gos the us took in nazi scientists in secret (operation paper clip)
@@Ryo_Le_Gos would you say the things happening in Gaza and Ukraine are basically advertising for "Defense" and weapons contractors?
@@VilaToro64 Not just scientists, but also people involved in military intelligence. Kurt Waldheim who served as the UN general secretary in the 80ties was a former Nazi intelligence Officer, and if he was an intelligence officer you can be sure he knew exactly what the Nazi regime was doing, he was probably involved in some shady business as well, there are claims that he participated in atrocities committed in Yugoslavia while he served in the military. Did you also know that the Rockefeller Foundation funded various eugenics programs in Germany prior to the take over by the Nazis.
@@disgraced101 It's good for the military industrial complex, there is always someone profiting from war and we the people pay the bill either in blood or money. I personally believe that the wars in Gaza and Ukraine are the lead-up for something big coming our way, but that's just speculation on my part.
One of the strongest season finale episodes I’ve ever seen. It’s just so on point from start to finish. It’s incredible.
Because at Vault-Tec, your safety is our number one priority.
we could pump psychotropic drugs into the vault for giggle🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
"To Vault-Tec, today the world's greatest company. Tomorrow, its ONLY one." - Bud Askins
Buds horrified expression hearing what their doing sells this so much more
You mean Coop
@@mackyronni I thaught they said bud
@@mackyronniHe’s talking about Bud’s face not Coop. His smile immediately turns into a scowl when they start talking about the ways they can use the vaults to torture people.
@@jakhar5 Eh, I think Bud's just pissed that he's not in control of the meeting and he's been upstaged by Barb.
When she said “by dropping the bomb ourselves” i sat up in my seat so fast!!
That was genius! I will do the same like her!
Lol, same here. I could not believe Amazon wrote something so hilariously stupid and tried to play it off like we should take it seriously.
"But if we blow up all our customers and destroy the entire market, and the world we live on, we could make more money!" = wtf
I recoiled like I'd just been slapped in the face...
3:15 That famous line. And she spoke it perfectly
this is our chance to make war obsolete✊✊
Almost stood off my couch like "OH SHE SAID IT"!
@@jesser8369 war never changes💀💀
The Sole Survivor: *punches Barb in the face* "You stole my quote!"
Don’t know what people were talking about, I thought the show ruled. I watched it all in one go, I had to finish it - I’ll probably watch it again!
Bro this scene was awesome because we both know who was sitting up in the shadows at the top watching that meeting --- the enclave!! They really run the show
yeah im almost certain that's the enclave watching
Knowing what lies ahead for all these head of the corporations who knew the end was coming, the door swings both ways.
Leon - Dead in mariposa
Bud - head stuck in a jar in a vault
Sinclair - Death by poison cloud
Mr house - Clubbed to death
The only fates we don't know yet are Julia powers & Barb, don't know if they're dead or frozen
Well guys... Maybe not. In fallout 2 the president says that the Chinese dropped the first bomb. And he doesn't really have a reason to lie given he thinks he's about to kill the chosen one. Now since the usa government wouldn't have dropped a bomb, it only makes sense that they'd assume any bombs were dropped by China not vault tec.
Unless thats a wrong memo the government got at the time purposefully and the first strike was US on US, and the Enclave just goes by what is written, kinda of wishfulfilling their "noble" cause.
Vault Tec swears they’re so smart but they could barely manage to keep the vaults running and they can’t even destroy the surface world right
Most "failures" were intentional. Of the 122 vaults, only 20 were "as advertised", meant to supply for roughly 20+ years, then reopen to allow resettlement and reclaimation. ALL the others, any failure was intentional, as thry were ALL experiments of some kind.
@@jameskarg3240 yeah I know the vaults were experiments lol I’m saying they couldn’t even properly maintain the experiments 😂 also they couldn’t even destroy the world properly
They did effectively win when it came to the NCRs existence. The success of the NCR showed that Vault Tec was right. Vault 15, 13 and, 8 combined had made a functional post war society.
@@jameskarg3240 To be fair, not all experimental vaults were set up to fail, but to study different scenarios. Sure, something like Vault 12 was only going to end up in tears, but I doubt they thought something like Vault 22 was going to end up in Spore Carriers, or that the inhabitants of Vault 11 were going to follow the experiment like gremlins for years, instead of refusing to go with it and then unlocking the Vault.
This scene was so great, the moment they start naming experiments from some of the games made my jaw drop
Super mutants, Vault 87
@@cullenatwood5149Psychedelic drugs is a reference to Vault 106 and separating parents and children is a reference to Vault 75
They referenced some of the vaults from the games
0:50 Vault 34 (New Vegas)
1:06 Sounds like Vault 87 (Fallout 3)
1:11 Vault 106 (Fallout 3)
(Edit)
The overcrowding vault was actually Vault 27 like some mentioned. Also the Repconn person mentioned Vault 51 from Fallout 76 with the “milk delivery robot.”
1:13 Vault 75 (Fallout 4)
1:12 Not sure if it's Vault 95 from fallout 4. They also had this drug experimentations.
@@oblivion9400your right, they had drug experiments but vault 95 was more around trying to get addicts cleaned up. Vault 106 was the one where you hallucinated due to drugs in the air.
Vault 34 is the one where the Boomers come out of because the overseer took away the dwellers rights to have their guns so I don't think that would be the overcrowded vault experiment, unless that's something I missed from the countless times I've went through that vault in New Vegas
Edit: OK I looked it up and I guess I'm partially right since I never knew it was the overcrowding experiment and only took into account the Boomers whole experience within Vault 34
@@ramssescardenascontreras230your absolutely right. Vault 34 was where the Boomers originated from. Vault Tec gave them an easy to access armory and made them fight each other in order to live in the vault.
I was so shocked when I heard that vault tec was behind all this
The fact that this is the moment where every piece of the puzzle got to its designated place
the vaut-tec logo on the megaton bomb, Mr House overprotecting vegas... Everything's connected
Remember the script for the Fallout film that never got made way back in the early 2000s? In that script, it was said that Vault Tec started the Great War. So this wasn’t something made up on the fly, Vault Tec were ALWAYS the ultimate villain.
All for motherfucking space travel
@@BigK13372
The OuterWorlds.
What does make sense in this is Mr House who is like "How the FUCK will this whole idea even work? Destroyed world without anything left?"
That is why he made sure to actually save at least Mojave desert with Las Vegas, which was genius in the long run
Most important lore in fallout history 🧐
Walton Goggins deserves every award possible for his role as the ghoul. He might go down as one of the greatest tv characters ever.
Bro I literally almost flipped my couch over when his wife said “We drop the bombs ourselves”
They earned their "war never changes" moment, they could've had Ron Perlman do his little speech at the beginning of the series for fanservice, but they decided to build up to it and it landed SO HARD. This series went above and beyond my expectations, and I hope they do so again with Season 2
I don't get it though war is always changing. The first war was fought with hands and feet, the second swords and spears, the third bows, ect. War always changes
@@aprofessionalgamer5355 It's more about the nature of war staying the same rather than how wars are fought
@@aprofessionalgamer5355 That's the series catchphrase and ultimately the thesis of the franchise since Fallout 1 back in 1997. The methods change, but the nature and futility of it as demonstrated by the massive body counts of both the Brotherhood and NCR at the end of this season visually conveys that War...War Never Changes.
@theprowler18 I never got that either, war definitely has purpose. Were we just supposed to let the nazis take over Poland and the rest of Europe?
@@aprofessionalgamer5355 Warfare changes. But War never does.
This part had me shook so straight up evil, I wouldn't be surprised if stuff like this really happens in the real world...who am i kidding ik it does. Those people at the table may have thought they're In control, but little do they know there is always a higher up who are actually in control , and they are just pieces on the chess board
It probably happened with COVID
Oh yes just look at the coup of Guatemala, the CIA threw that country into near permanent chaos because they elected someone that didn’t want to deal with the United Fruit Company who exploited labor there. And thus began a chain of US-backed ruthless dictators and a 36 year long civil war
@@UserRobot215I wouldn’t put it past the government to bring covid and cause lockdowns which derailed the economy, all by design.
It's so richly ironic to me that this very show was produced by one of the most cutthroat megacorps on our planet right now
Something I just noticed in this scene. Everyone is giddy as hell, talking about what they want to do with their Vaults after Coop's wife suggests those ones can be experiments. The camera keeps cutting back to Bud Askins.
His face looks concerned and not as excited as he was at the start of the meeting. I don't think he was totally in on the experiments idea.
No... it just he doesn't amuse by Vault Tec proposal. You need to read terminals in Mechanist Lair.
He seems to be perfectly fine with the concept of the vault experiments in general. He just doesn’t seem to be down for the experiments that involve torture and are otherwise completely pointless.
wasn't this the plot planned long ago for the canceled fallout movie back in 98 by the original fallout creators themselves?
Correct.
I also think it was in the fallout bible.
Back when Clint Eastwood was set to direct it.
@@inigobantok1579 Clint Eastwood was going to direct a Fallout game???
1:33 the most evil wife/mother in history
If Amazon and MGM play their cards right there is enough material here to have Fallout not only be an ongoing series but have the potential for multiple spin offs, movies, animated series, and more.
so the theories are confirmed that vault tec started the great war
They didn't start it, they just ended it
@@projectddlc2047 Peace talks were coming between the two sides as you can hear in the first episode. But regardless, Vault-Tec hedged its bets against humanity, taking away any chance that maybe mans ability to seek peace might've won over. What they ultimately did was push the war off the edge of the point of no return for profit and power, which is probably the most evil things done in all of Fallout.
If you play it all the Fallout games you kind of already knew This just confirmed it.
@@highlander723 here's the thing. They don't outright say vault tec started it
@@BC92Se7en but it was never confirmed in the games. Just hints
I cannot be the only nerd looking at de-aged Kyle McLachlan with a sudden nostalgic hankering for Twin Peaks and the old Dune...
You are not.
That is some good special effects
*THE SLEEPER HAS AWAKENED !!!*
They elect overseers by Gom Jabbar 😅
its scary how real this can become.
Oh it's very real especially with the CIA, mk ultra project Popeye and others the Japanese with unit 731, Nazi Germany with their experiments
@@VilaToro64 Exactly, people don't realize how expendable we are to the people in control.
And they're from Vault 33, the illuminati's favorite number!
lol
Maybe watching apocalyptic scenarios on tv might have given you a slight paranoia.
@@DaviRed_ if JFK hadn't stopped operation northwoods, you'd be with the crowd calling the people blaming the government paranoid after they covered it all up
I can't believe Agent Cooper did this.
Paul Atreides would definitely do this.
@@sodadrinker89 yeah, he did use his family heirloom's atomics as part of his holy war.
War never changes, after all.
He can’t keep getting away with it
Then his son would laugh and make things even worse lol
That awkward moment when your wife is planning the downfall of civilized society 💀
"I need... a divorce... years ago. Fuck, I'm gonna divorce her and re-marry just so I can divorce her harder. EVERYTHING SHE IS SAYING IS MAKING ME ANGRY!"
“We bomb ourselves, to make ourselves money”
Personally, I think it's more like "We wipe out modern civilization, let the remnants & flickers slowly die out, experiment all this time in our vaults with our "genius ideas", then rise from the underground to reshape the world in our perfect image".
Not too far a stretch from the Enclaves plans in Fallout 2/Van Buren, experiment in the vaults and use those lessons as we go to space and colonize another planet in our "perfect image".
They went with the absolute dumbest of reasons, BGS never fails at bad writing.
@@toxicice5251considering she looks for approval from a mysterious, shadowy figure overlooking the scene from a balcony, I think these may just BE the Enclave.
@@jundersplunkett2365 You know this idea was originally created for a scrapped fallout movie during the late 90s by Obsidian, right?
@@barb8409 Im not referring to Vault tech dropping the first bomb, their motivations for doing so are 2 fold and contradictory.
We always knew vault tec did it we just never had established proof
Tbf, it was going to happen anyways. Vault tec just needed to meet that quarter’s earning expectations
@warlordofbritannia that would be a paltry excuse. Nothing excuses willing killing billions just cause it was going to happen anyway and for capitalistic profit.
@@warlordofbritannia thats how they saw it. Very corprotist of you
They didn't do it for profit. Vault tec along with the other megacorp in the Enclave sought to destroy the world and rule whatever's left of humanity as a tyrant. Their eventual goal is to escape earth and form new civilization in space as the leader
@@Pandacous
Yes, that’s the joke.
still cant understand why they did it, for money? money for what? to live in a wasteland? doesnt make sense
It makes sense if they want to be the only humans left with powers.
@@madphantom92Still not making sense.Because Enclave.
@@rogeryoung7562I'm sure the enclave are the ones in the stands just looking over.
it was supposed to not make sense... they are blinded by profit and control, they are willing to do anything to make it a reality.
@@rogeryoung7562The Enclave was in cahoots with them all the time. Vault-Tec wanted economic dominion, they would have become THE official state corporation if the Enclave emerged as the ruling power of the wastes after the bombs.
Pretty glad we got three separate stories in the main cast cause we were taken more into the “FALLOUT” world instead of just focusing on one point of view. This here is an example we wouldn’t have gotten with Lucy or Max and I think the show did awesome in taking us into this world
I was watching this on TikTok thinking it really was just a normal vid until bro’s wife said “ we’ll drop them ourselves “. I love fallout and have always thought vault Tec was already shady as hell but this made them THE most evil faction in all of fallout. People, for years, were asking who was the first to drop the bombs and many blamed china but now knowing vault tec dropped the bombs first, creating the vaults for their heinous experiments, and basically ended the world for control, power and curiosity. This reveal is absolutely mind boggling.
I like Bud's expression at 0:44 he doesn't entirely like it but he's a company man
Didn't he become an evil brain in a robot? Lol
Yes he did lol. He probably thought he’d get something cooler like Mr. House.
@@JW-dp4weHe clearly prefers his version of experiments compared to others purely based on the fact that his is kinda trying to accomplish something.
@@smugcat723Yes.But at least his vision for his Vaults "seem" ethical because they will ensure that people will live on in total "safety" for a long time.The ideas that the other CEOs had for their vaults were made because it would be "fun" to add cruel and completely unethical twists to how the vaults would work for shits and giggles.
Walton Goggins is such a good actor and it pains me that it took this long to realize
The absolute and utter shock on his face when he learns the truth is immaculate
This.. blew my mind.
This is how you do it. One of the best oh shot moments of my liiife
My sympathy for The Ghoul just skyrocketed
Jesus, I only finshed the show last night, the moment Cooper's wife said "we drop the bomb ourselves" had me in as much shock as Cooper, from that moment on the meeting had my full attention and as a die hard fallout fan, I thought the show was abousltey fantastic. We all knew Vault-Tec was bad we just didn't know they were evil.
For anyone who who was wondering why there are also valets in Canada, it's because at this point in in the Fallout universe the United States had annexed Canada making it part of the United States.
This doesnt outright confirm that they did drop the bombs, only that they were willing to do it and I feel this is the way the series will take this, introduce more players in the game all of whom considered dropping the bombs but we will get told who actually did it
Agreed. I think Vault-Tec sabotaged the peace talks in order to ensure that their business model didn't implode, but that pushed the Chinese into a situation where they couldn't win the war and couldn't end the war through negotiation. With the Americans convinced (due to the failed peace talks) that the Chinese were unwilling to agree to a negotiated peace, this ramped the tension up to the point where everyone was poised to launch their full arsenals at each other.
In the end, I don't think we'll ever know for certain who fired first. Maybe the Chinese launched a first strike as a last desperate gamble. Maybe the Americans decided to end the war as swiftly as possible and miscalculated the Chinese response time. Maybe someone in an early-warning facility misidentified a satellite as an incoming missile and panicked. When everyone is so constantly on-edge, one mistake would be enough.
To tell the truth, "who fired first" doesn't really matter. What is important is that Vault-Tec ruined the world's last best chance to step away from the cliff-edge because they couldn't stand to lose. Had the war ended peacefully, it's likely a lot of people would start asking questions about why all these mega-corporations had so much influence in Washington. For Vault-Tec, peace was the end of their world.
I think vault tec wanted to drop the bomb but China beat them to it because they were scared of losing the war as Beijing was a front line city i believe near the end. Vault Tec was still building Vaults like 114 in Boston when the bombs dropped I think they would've wanted to finish them before they dropped the bomb.
Yeah, vault 88 was also still under construction, maybe they had to drop it prematurely because the war got into a really bad state, so they fasttracked and to make sure they knew when it was going to drop, they evacuated everyone to the vaults and then immediately dropped it
@@sagpanda5146 my thoughts
Yup in the lore, American forces were already advancing to Beijing by the time the bombs were dropped.
Makes more sense that China dropped the bomb first, but Vault-tec amassed a nuclear arsenal for that purpose. A reason why Vault-tec nukes can be found in 76, 3 and 4. (and perhaps also why Hank & Betty decided to nuke Shady Sands - because it wasn't Vault-tec sanctioned)
“We could clone one guy that only says Gary!”
“We could have one guy and a box of sock puppets!”
"We could have a vault that's populated with 999 women and one man."
"I'll do you one better: a vault with 999 men and one woman."
That acting was so great. There's that flatline-like sound too. Was a great finale. I want more 😩
“My pip-boy keeps trying to transmit to somewhere, i cant fix it…oh well time for our evil business meeting”
This scene was utterly incredible
After the scene I view the conversation with the vault tec rep at the start of fallout 4 so much more differently now. He knew more than he let on
That’s probably why he was so confused that he wasn’t getting into the vault. With 111 being a cryogenics vault like 31, I guess he thought he’d be one of the Vault Tec representatives to survive it all. Which he sort of did, probably not the way he wanted to though
I like how the room has ashtrays and Mr. House is smoking. It's a small thing, but how Fallout's retro world has cigars and ashtrays everywhere and people smoke without minding second-hand smoke is just perfect
Fallout 3 already gave us an idea of who really dropped the bombs. Amazon's Fallout confirmed this.
No, it did not. Tourist
@user-pn5ej4fe2h go to Megaton you simpleton Vault-Tec's logo is on the damn nuke
@@thomasbenito274 its not a vault tec logo you tourist
“Only you would lose money running a casino” is percect
Just realized the receptionist is overseer of vault 33
Oh, how much I loved this scene.
Just noticed Buds reaction at 0:44 It's as if even him, a vault etc rep isn't quite sure about all this.
Barb looks and sounds really pained giving her speech. She seems like a "family above everyone else" kind of villain.
young hank maclean looks like he is ai created
Paul Atreides
Yeah the cgi isn't the best, but it's honestly understandable with all the stuff they've already worked on for this show.
@@shadow_master7303 Why is it CGI? Is he fake?
@@TheAncientColossusBecause the actor is in his 60s or 70s. Good luck making him look like young man with practical effects.
@@nikoladedic6623 You are ignorant of the power of makeup.
The House Always Wins
Best scene in the show hands down, Walton Goggins kills it (they really didnt have to cg hank's young face like that tho)
Hank spent years after leaving cryo in Vault 33 so I guess they wanted to avoid any confusion about that. Not the best effect though yeah
@@occono3543 yeah, i think youre right, it makes sense
It looks off but its not bad enough to ruin the scene, we can pretend that it looked weird because it's Cooper's PoV and he was having a major panic attack
the guy playing the West Tek rep is sooooo good holy shit. most of the acting in this show was incredible but this dude clearly read the assignment!!! his super exaggerated mannerisms and comical levels of evil give off fallout 1 mob boss talking head vibes
The de-aging is pretty rough but it doesnt stop how awesome this scene is. Love how everything came together
Despite the executives planning to drop the bombs, it’s not like they actually did it. I hope they still keep it ambiguous as to who launched first.
SHE SAID THE LINE!!!
She is COLD! She even hit the tagline!
Sounds like it’d be a modern political/corporate meeting.
Who is the lunatic that let Big MT have a seat on the table.
Facts 😂
Sinclair. Guy who owns the Seiera Madre Casino from dead money dlc.
@@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal oooh i didnt realize that that guy was
Sinclair. Then that does makes sense. Specially House roasting him for loosing money
To be fair I didn't notice it either when I watched it.
@@lillith3159Well, to be fair, the Sinclair we see in NV looks like a skinny, handsome portrait. I was legit wondering who the guy representing Big MT was at first 😆
It always made more sense that China would have launched first since they were losing the war and on their last legs.
SHE SAID THE THING!!! 😁
Imagine finding out your wife is a total psychopath, and has fooled you for your entire marriage. The loving, caring, woman you married was a character she was playing.
Mr House the only sane one in the room. As close as a "good guy" as you can get in fallout lol.
“By dropping the bomb ourselves.”
Put me in shock just like it did Cooper.
I remember a time when Fallout 4 was just released, I read a discussion in Reddit or Quora (?) about who started the Great War/dropped the nukes. Speculations were US, China, Vault-tec, Mr. House, or even the Zetans. It is amazing to have evidence and confirmation that Vault-tec was somehow capitalizing the bad conditions of the world. Further, I am amazed to know that the different types of experiment on the vaults were not all came from Vault-tec, but with other major corporations
As an old school Fallout fan, it’s hilarious how they’re trying portray Vault-Tec as the prime conspirator, even though almost everyone else in the room is already one step ahead of them. For y’all new fans, here’s a rundown (POTENTIAL SPOILERS for season 2 and any games you haven’t played):
Mr. House (0:12) had already calculated that nuclear war was inevitable 15 years before it happened. By this point in the timeline, he’s already fortifying Vegas with a defense grid, plus his own plan for human repopulation. He’s a major figure in the Mojave Wasteland even 200 years later.
Big Mountain Research Facility (0:52) is already on the “unethical experimentation” train. In fact, the experiments conducted at Big MT (alt: Big Empty) make the Vault-Tec experiments look like a high school science class. Sinclair (a significant figure in one of the DLC’s) feigns interest, but doesn’t reveal Big MT is already doing much worse. Ironically, the Big MT experiments actually produced useful results. Even by Fallout standards, the technology at Big MT is decades more advanced than even Pre-War tech, including teleportation, hardlight holograms, and matter synthesizers.
West-Tek (0:10) is the company that developed the Forced Evolution Virus (FEV), which causes horrific mutations. The idea was to create a new race of humans that could survive a nuclear apocalypse. Old fans remember FEV as being central to The Master’s plan. New fans may recognize it as the substance Vault 4 used in their experiments. Here, he suggests that particular experiment because West-Tek was already doing that. Also fun fact, the Brotherhood of Steel was originally formed by US Army soldiers under West-Tek who turned against the company when they found out about the FEV experiments.
Repconn (0:15) is the odd one out. Unlike the others, they weren’t involved in any shady dealings and were purely concerned with space exploration. In fact, it’s especially odd that they’re here, since Mr. House should have already absorbed the company into RobCo by now.
Ok so I've seen similar comments before. I am going to make a pinned comment addressing exactly this. But for now.
Mr. house: Yes he did. But I think that he might be at the meeting, specifically because he calculated it. It would make sense that as part of his preparations he would make some connections with vault-tec. Him being at this meeting could be the result of these connections that he made. Possibly even so he could start stocking vault 21 with the things he knew he would need after the bombs dropped. Or being able to use vault-tec engineers to build things like his securitron vault.
Big mountain: So yeah, they were doing experiments. But Doctor borous says that Vault-tec were the best at this. They had been stuck on Big MT with essentially zero contact with the outside world for two hundred years by the time of new vegas. So the only way they could have known about these experiments would have been if they in some way were apart of them. Also remember that this is Sinclair from the Serria Madre, not one of the doctors. So the doctors themselves might have not had a direct influence on this.
West-tek: That was the masters goal to make a new species to survive the wasteland. West Tek was working for the government to make super soldiers. This is essentially just an explanation of why in fallout 3 theres vault 87. And it would make sense to have test subjects in vaults, there 100% of diet, water intake, and everything else can be completely controlled. Also the pre war vault dwellers that went in, weren't expected to come out again. Unlike say, a military base which has to keep track of prisoners and just hope that the soldiers stationed there don't notice them constantly disappearing.
Repconn: So Repconn was probably planted by Mr. House here. So that he could essentially have two representatives, 100% more votes than the others if you will. Since you know the house always wins. Also the original goal for vaut-tec in concept was to be doing all these tests to help in setting up a colony on the moon for the enclave to bugger off to. To get to the moon you need rockets. Arcade Gannon also mentions that Repconn made Plasma weapons, I can't remember where but I think some vaults had plasma weapons though can't remember more specifically.
@@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal Big MT is the one that makes the least sense. First, yes, that’s Frederick Sinclair, but he was never a member of Big MT. His only association with them was because he contracted them to help build the Sierra Madre. Incidentally, that’s how he was aware of the Big MT experiments, since part of his agreement with them was to allow the Cloud, the prototype Hazmat Suits, and the Saturnite knives . Even then, Sinclair made it clear he didn’t like working with them. That’s why it’s so strange that he’s suddenly a representative for them.
Honestly I never paid much attention to dead money. Easily my least favourite dlc out of all fallout games (Favourite is lonesome road). But maybe the connection goes deeper than that, like they're sister companies or something like that. I'd need to do research but it isn't lore defying by any means.
@@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal Don’t worry, I’m not a fan of Dead Money either. My information actually comes from Old World Blues. iirc, there’s several terminal entries that spoke of Sinclair’s project. It’s been awhile, but I do remember neither Sinclair nor Big MT liked dealing with each other and kept a distant client/business relationship.
Edit: Found them. They’re in several research facilities in the crater. Y-0, Z-38, and Z-43 terminal entries.
@@bsgfan1 I've been meaning to make a video of Doctor Klien saying "NONSENSE! That is what you speak! NONSENSE. A lack of sense!" I may spend a couple days going through some youtube videos so I can both, find that Sinclair information and clip that.
There’s not many people realize that aside from Hank, Betty (New overseer for Vault 33) is also present, because the Bomb dropped too hard and people are in shocked for sure 😂
0:40 The Enclave high rank above them