@@FredScuttle456 same They don't seem to get the fact that if they fail to deliver they aren't required Like Hollywood, stopped watching anything new the same time as I saw the direction they were going, I have dvds of old films and can get others I haven't seen before TV the same, there's loads I've never seen be it X files or voyage to the bottom of the sea and time tunnel And gaming is going the same way but they fail to realise there's years of stuff that people have never played
License free for 5 years. Got a letter claiming I was watching the iplayer at the beginning of the year. Missed the first goons visit in July. Two of them showed up in September, shut the door on them after asking them who they were (they tried to engage me in conversation). Threatening letter from them followed stating they would visit me on October 10th, nobody showed. Absolute charlatans. Disgusting fear tactics in the wording of the letters they send. Trying to coerce folk into paying for a licence which they don’t require. Much respect to you Jon , you are doing a great job. Thank you for your videos on how to deal with these door to door salesmen 👍🏻
Telling them you legally don't need a TV Licence does NOT stop the threatening, harrassing letters. I told them and six months later the threatening, harrassing letters began. Now on my 2nd tound of letters, expecting at least 3 more before it goes quiet for a month or two, then they start again. Therefore, why bother telling them anything. Just stop paying.
That's why we didn't bother telling them. We just stopped paying for the licence. We get letters every month. It seems as the letters are on a rolling cycle. They go straight into the shredder. With the current cost of postage this silly stunt of there's must be costing a fortune.
I have been telling them I don't need a license for nearly 10 years and they left me alone. Mind you I live on a private road tucked away, which even the local Taxis cant find most of the time. That's what probably has kept them of my back. I have been advising people about the rules [ as a CAB advisor] for about 10 years, and I am pleased to see that people are understanding their rights. Good luck with the BBC Fools.
I love it that they say on the letter “ tell them you don’t need a license “… so do I have to tell the supermarket that I don’t need any milk this week??.. 😂😂
Imagine how long your weekly shop at Asda would take if your first had to call into Morrisons, Lidl, Sainsbury's etc to tell them you won't be needing them this week. Pissing backward bbc!
I always do that, we’ve just returned from a six week holiday and I have a visit receipt and two threatening letters, they are all stuffed into one envelope with return to sender 😂 make them pay, spread the word 😂
I cancelled my tv tax two years ago and recently had a letter asking if i needed one. I filed it in the trash bin as i don't get bothered or threatened, harrased by sky, netflix or amazon once i end my subscription. So i thought that was the best place for it.🗑
The odds of a goon ever appearing depends on where you live. If you live in a relatively well-to-do area the chances are close to zero. The goons know the easy victims are to be found among the poor and badly educated.
I was visited a few day ago it went like this knock knock I opened the door , he said hellow are you Mr So and so I said who are you he said TV licensing I then said no thank you not today and politely closed the door job done 👍
There was a solicitor who was being chased for a TV licence for his chambers. Eventually, they got a visit. They didn't find TV. The solicitor asked why they thought they had a TV. The explanation was that they work on the principle that every home or business has a TV.
And the assumption is that everyone watches the BBC as well, or live TV? Haven't watched terristial TV for years, it's only a mix of soaps, reality and repeats.
I have my own TV aerial business and I don't watch tv at home. Though I do see some rubbish when I have to tune customer tv's. Its just over priced trash. My online identity is proof I don't watch bbc or the iplayer or ANY of them in fact. They lost me for good because the "news" channel became a branch of tory propaganda. They have NO INTEGRITY. They don't get my money. EVER.
They should have investigated themselves. They lost over £90 of my payments and it cost me over £20 on the phone. I sent scans of their bus ticket receipts and they tried to wriggle out of it by claiming they couldn’t open them, so i used a different app and asked my local MP’s office to help, which thankfully they did. If they lost mine they must have lost other peoples. But i guess most people would assume they didn’t need to retain the receipts and use a scanner to revive the fading ink, as they are computerised transactions.
That's OK. They can investigate of they want to. There is no requirement for people to comply with that investigation. Or "an investigation into your premises has been authorised". Err authorised by whom ?
I got several of these almost immediately after I moved into my new premises, I just love it when you're sent a threatening letter to a business address that has nothing to do with the BBC, GO DO ONE Put the envelope back in the post without a stamp on it and Royal Mail will send them a letter saying they have to pay for this postage before they receive the envelope, no really I'm not trying to waste their money…
I love how they imply that the reputation of your business hinges on paying for the licence Their 'investigations' are comical, 3 years of threatening letters and they still only know me as 'legal occupier' 😂
Indeed, anyone who pays the license, automatically gets their reputation dropped a couple of points by me. I mean, would /you/ trust a business with your money if they were watchers of the BBC ?
Received a letter saying "Are you going to be in on 30th October?", showing through the window of the envelope. Sent back, return to sender, F.A.O Huw Edwards. No one turned up on the 30th.
Bingo! I got 14th November too! Although, reading a bit further, they also say "It may be on 14th November or another day". If they were honest they would add "or it may be never" to that. Its pure harassment, so I have saved it in my ring binder of TVL threats: maybe one day I can get a journalist to write an expose on the greatest scandal in the British legal system since the postmasters.
They don't. They have an agreement with Royal mail. I work for royal mail, they pay a pittance for sending a letter postage, but nothing for return to sender regarding Capita.
we got one, once you get past all the scare tactics you can just tick a box for no licence needed and send it back. i think i might have "forgot" to put a stamp on their envelope
LOL Looks like they are learning! Any time I got a SAE with pre-paid postage, I'd fill it as full of rubbish as possible and post it back to them! They don't like it when it's them getting junk mail!
Snap ~ remove all identifying features like addresses, names, barcodes, reference numbers etc. RIP it up, pop it in the envelope and send it back without a stamp if one is required. Re junk that junk mail and keep the posties in a job.
Yeah I got that this month. Quite amusing as it basically says they're pausing the investigation for 10 days before starting the investigation again. I suppose that must be the last letter in the cycle of amusing threat-o-grams. Next month I expect to see one of the usual ones, perhaps "You've left us no choice but to begin our investigation". About 3 years licence free and no visit, but I am quite rural.
I have used a solicitor to advise TV Licensing that their constant stream of threatening letters is tantamount to Harassment, which is causing me and my family Alarm & Distress- heard nothing since .
@@davidsworld5837 I did think of sending them a copy of my book, then bill them £180 for the signed copy and my licence to read it. As it arrived into their property without asking, they have the equipment to read it, and I presume they did- Just like they do to us.
Do they have a recurring cycle? You know just the same several letters sent out in order every month. We seem to get one about every month, one month didn't get one, I was almost disappointed, almost. They go in the shredder.
These letters show a level of desperation. The BBC are suffering from multiple licence cancellations and are very short of funds hence the more aggressive approach.
My comment is 'can you sue them for harrassment? Disruption and defamation of the business?' The law is an ass, but this so called investigation is something else. The level of interferene in your day to day life, is completely overboard.
People have tried in the past with this sort of thing...and the judge throw the case out....please goggle pregnant.......women ...........tv......licence ......"officer"....... hartlepool..... north-east England..... I've posted this information before and it always gets deleted but here goes again..... it's something people should know...... but it's been swept under the mat.....
OMFG had me on stitches when you started going on aboutvwhere you had to give them your correct details and needing to then put a stamp lol 😂😂😂😂 classic!!!
@martyndawson7484 the price of stamps is getting outrageous, not that I need to buy them but still waaaaaaaay overpriced just like nearly everything else
Are they seriously saying that if i watch live tv at someone else's property they need to be licensed and not me? If thats true, we should all go down to the local library / park etc. Maybe the local tv tax office
We've done the no licence needed thing online every year for 5 years, never had a visit or a letter to our address since doing so. We did the online thing first off to cancel an already running licence and now every year we get an email asking us to update/opt out again, for the sake of two minutes I am happy to do it, I know I don't have to, but I'd rather do it and then have no contact for a year than to get the amount of letters and visits others get.
I remember when the basis for the British legal system was 'the presumption of innocence', now in so many ways, including TV licencing(its a small part but relevent), the presumption of guilt is paramount.
It's funny they'll come round to check you don't need a licence. But if you pay, they won't come round to check if you do need it, make sure you've got it right both ways.
If you are living in Wales you will are getting them in Welsh as well, as we do. Do not despair, that is main course and dessert for a well fed shredder. 😂
Hey CJC. I had a visit 3 wks ago from a tv licence salesman. I did speak to him with a civil attitude he said that there was no tv licence at this address, so I told him I don't watch tv, I am living on a state pension and I'm also a carer for my wife who suffers with type 1 diabetes insulin dependant, which has caused a host of other illnesses. Such as Blindness to the right eye, poor vision in her left eye., Neuropathy, Gastroparesis, Osteoarthritis. I control her insulin and medication. I have had to take on the jobs that my can no longer do, this has been a big challenge for me at 68 yrs old and suffer with fibromyalgia, and that my wife required a special diet. When the salesman left he said I understand your circumstances, and he would put a block on my address. Monday this week I received another letter that they have authorised another visit. How I draft a no rights of implied rights of access??? My wife cant see tv, and my increased work load, I'm just happy to fall into bed by 22:00 Thanks for any advice.
I am sorry to hear of both your awful situation. Simply ignore ALL correspondence, eventually they ignore you and go for easier prey. God bless you both.
You made the mistake of talking to a stranger - just ignore. They are not interested in your life story. Basic confidence and assertiveness is required. This neutralises any perceived authority. "The burden of proof (Latin: onus probandi) , lies with the one who speaks, not the one who denies. It is the obligation on a party in a dispute to provide sufficient warrant for its position. "
You just need to state in a letter... The legal occupier of (write you address) I withdraw your legal rights of access to the above property including any letters that I may perceive as harassing or threatening in any manner. This is due to a recent visit which has caused me harm and distress from your subsequent letter from that visit. I do not like being lied to and harassed in my property with the intention of you fraudulently obtaining money for a service I do not require. Regards the home owner. Do not use your name or let them do anything further. If they do, send their letters back in an envelope with the word no written on it unopened. Do not use a stamp either.
Absolutely it's Harassment! I receive 2 letters some months. & what the bloomin ell does that code even mean. . Assigning it to people as if to make out they are already criminals 😮
I live in a block of elderly peoples council flats, we have a recreation room with a telly. I have checked and the warden has told me that the council DONT provide TV licenses. As a tenant I have nothing to do with the rec room, although I am entitled to use it, and ALL tenants are mandated to contribute to its cleaning etc. SO who is responsible for the TV license which we legally should have, as people do watch live TV on it? Not me though 🤣
When ever I get envelopes like that I fill them with lots of scrap untraceable paper, make sure it is nice and thick and pop it in the post with no stamp so the recipient has to pay the postage and the no stamp fine.
The envelope is traceable to you, those little orange lines across it are your address. And they don't get charged, you are better off just chucking it in the bin like I do
Nobody needs a TV licence. Only if you watch live tv or bbc iplayer. There are so many better ways to watch tv without paying for the license fee. Never talk to the goons that knock on your door.
I had no name on my letters, so I gave my name, name of my martial arts system and registered home as my full time Dojo! Not had the knock I was expecting so far 😅
"Do not risk the reputation of your business by ignoring this letter" comes across as "Nice business you have there, it'd be a shame if anything were to happen to it wouldn't it?"
I love those self addressed but not prepaid envelopes from capita. After much experimentation i have found the best material to send by return are sheets of lasagne soaked overnight and sealed in a plastic bag. Gives satisfying weight and flexibility to cause maximum annoyance and cost.
I did the online "No licence required" statement about 5 months ago and, barring a couple of quite innocuous "are you certain?" letters, I haven't heard a peep from them! Maybe this is the calm before the storm, but I've been quite pleasantly surprised by how easy they're making it for me!
I'm a postie and get the letters for all types of businesses, mostly shops, none of them even have a tv that I have ever seen, they don't get as many letters as residential homes though.
"The officers will still try stitch you up" YES, THEY WILL! A neighbour had a visit, knock at the door "Who are you? No thanks, don't need one" and shut the door, BUT.... They saw his TV through an exterior window, and EVEN THOUGH it was playing a Dismally DVD for his two kids, THEY REPORTED HIM FOR WATCHING LIVE TV!!! So, off to court he is dragged, and though he and his solicitor HAD TO JUMP THROUGH MANY STRESS INDUCING HOOPS, he DID finally win the case!!!! So... Moral of the story, IF YOU DO NOT NEED to pay the TV TAX, CHECK TO SEE IF YOUR TV IS VIEWABLE FROM AN EXTERIOR WINDOW! Curtains, blinds, even MOVE the damn thing! Those cnuts WILL try ANYTHING to get you! 😡😡😡
I have been telling them I don't need a license for nearly 10 years and they left me alone. Mind you I live on a private road tucked away, which even the local Taxis cant find most of the time. That's what probably has kept them of my back. I have been advising people about the rules [ as a CAB advisor] for about 10 years, and I am pleased to see that people are understanding their rights. Good luck with the BBC Fools.
OMG how desperate are these people. more threatening wording from tv licencing. can I ask a question.....my nephew visited his other cousin recently, he connected his iPad to their wifi and watched some BBC iplayer kids shows. The address they were at is a No license needed status. Within days they received a letter from the hounds telling them they knew they had been watching BBC player at that address and now needed a licence,or else... is this the case, I'm not sure on this any advice welcome
@@TheFurrry you have to very careful having a “BBC Account” for being able to comment on news stories etc. that account allows you to touch on such things as iplayer without any warning “you need a license” to access this. When you sign up to a bbc account you get an email to the email address you use that you have to click on. Once you do that they can see everything you are doing. So that would explain the letter your family received
It seems to be true, yes. My local Starbucks has a very Official certificate on the wall stating that their WiFi was not to be used for watching TV. Someone got moaned at for watching TV in the café at my local library. He countered by showing them his license and that he was actually using the cellular network, not the library's WiFi
I live in a block of flats, phoned up TVL, and cancelled my license 2 years ago. I've had 19 letters in that time, and no visits. I think that they won't bother with flats, and as what you say, many flats have to buzz you in, and they don't want to waste time knocking on 1 door on the top floor just to be told get lost. It could be a factor!
I don't have a licence as i dont need one. However I do listen to Radio 4 now and again for which, of course, I don't need a licence. I de registered from BBC iPlayer but now I'm unable to access Radio 4 on my tv nor will Alexa connect to Radio 4 unless I'm registered with iplayer.
@@Ztandard32Hmmm interesting. I have a BBC 'account" which goes to a junk email address, I have never 'registered' for i-player nor been into it - IIRC it asks you to confirm you have a TV licence before you enter it. I just go into Sounds for listening to BBC 3, 4 and 4 xtra and have no problems accessing them. However, I first registered with them many years ago so maybe things have changed since then.
I work for a division of the DWP we use a facility for centralised mail handling. We received one of these letters sent to our mail handling site. Not our office address, not the facility address, the benefit specific address.
My brother in law died six months ago and my wife undertook the responsibility of his affairs. Whilst sorting through his mail she came across a letter from the bbc for renewal of his tv license, we contacted the bbc and informed them of his death. The house was put up for sale and a board was placed in the front garden saying for sale. Three weeks later whilst checking the property we discovered a note from the bbc saying they had called and a license was required. Returning to the property four weeks later another note was left stating they had called again and a license was still required,all this despite the sign saying sold on the board. These people are beyond .disgusting. Im please to say we have not paid for five years and have no intention of doing so. I would also say we don’t have a tv.
I have received one of these business letters. This is an office without TV's but we do have computers with internet access and staff have mobile phones. The letter has our business address at the top and addressed to the proprietor or manager. At the end of the first paragraph it says we need a licence for any device including TV, computer, laptop, mobile phone or tablet.
I had another letter yesterday, straight in the bin. If we all started a class action lawsuit against Capita, BBC for harrassment, would we have a case? So sick of this shit.
I’d print an A4 size sheet of paper saying F OFF on it. Put it in the return envelope. Put no stamp on it and post it. They’ll have to pay the postage when they receive it. Simples 😂😂😂😉
When I had a TV shop in the 1980s you could get a special licence for test, repair and demonstration for 35p a year (used to be 7s6d pre-decimalisation)
How about pick one day in the year, when everone sends all the letters back to the bbc. Then they can recycle the letters as part of there sustainabilty responsability. (Paperless society)
WAIT A MINUTE.... So... A customer who walks into a Cafe (say), orders a cuppa (maybe a fry up too), starts watching a live footy match, ALL IS FINE... BUT... They plug their phone into charge at the wall outlet, and THAT'S THEN WHEN THE CAFE IS AT FAULT even IF the Cafe has no TV mounted anywhere??? WHAT... THE... ACTUAL... F??? 😲😲😲😒🤨😡😡😡
When BBC shares in C4 S4, are sold no tvl would be needed. TVL is live tv and radio, BBC only, in fact the Act states communications, and in fact there is no tvl as in law its still a radio with battery licence under the Post Office
The BBC does not have shares in Channel 4 nor S4C. However, the BBC is responsible for funding S4C. The TV Licence is fundamentally for the privilege of watching live tv, a licence is not required to listen to the radio. The reference suggested to the post office is very old legislation that has been updated many times. The legislation that currently covers the licence is part 4 of The Communications Act 2003, titled "Licensing of TV Reception"
Take any thing that can identify you or your bussiness off the paperwork and post it back to them without a stamp. Or send them any other junk mail you have handy, without a stamp!
'You're under investigation but can you just tell us who you are first? Thanks!'
Couldn't make this stuff up could you?
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It's got to be the first part of any investigation, I guess. Haha.
This is just too funny 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Don't tell him, Pike!
Tell them ya called Ronnie Pickering 😂
@watchanything-c7r Who? 🤣
You are a saint taking on the BBC. Thanx for your advice. I refuse to pay the peados licence.
Haven't since 2010
@@snakedaemongaming6590 Our TVs continue to work faultlessly without a licence.
@@FredScuttle456 same
They don't seem to get the fact that if they fail to deliver they aren't required
Like Hollywood, stopped watching anything new the same time as I saw the direction they were going, I have dvds of old films and can get others I haven't seen before
TV the same, there's loads I've never seen be it X files or voyage to the bottom of the sea and time tunnel
And gaming is going the same way but they fail to realise there's years of stuff that people have never played
License free for 5 years. Got a letter claiming I was watching the iplayer at the beginning of the year. Missed the first goons visit in July. Two of them showed up in September, shut the door on them after asking them who they were (they tried to engage me in conversation). Threatening letter from them followed stating they would visit me on October 10th, nobody showed. Absolute charlatans. Disgusting fear tactics in the wording of the letters they send. Trying to coerce folk into paying for a licence which they don’t require. Much respect to you Jon , you are doing a great job. Thank you for your videos on how to deal with these door to door salesmen 👍🏻
Telling them you legally don't need a TV Licence does NOT stop the threatening, harrassing letters.
I told them and six months later the threatening, harrassing letters began.
Now on my 2nd tound of letters, expecting at least 3 more before it goes quiet for a month or two, then they start again.
Therefore, why bother telling them anything. Just stop paying.
That's why we didn't bother telling them. We just stopped paying for the licence. We get letters every month. It seems as the letters are on a rolling cycle. They go straight into the shredder. With the current cost of postage this silly stunt of there's must be costing a fortune.
@@beccabbea2511Same here. I don't pay do they don't provide me service,b which is OK by me. Just terminate the DD and do nothing else.
It would be the same as telling the police you don't need a gun licence. Absolutely ridiculous. Only mugs do online 'conformation forms'.
I have been telling them I don't need a license for nearly 10 years and they left me alone. Mind you I live on a private road tucked away, which even the local Taxis cant find most of the time. That's what probably has kept them of my back. I have been advising people about the rules [ as a CAB advisor] for about 10 years, and I am pleased to see that people are understanding their rights. Good luck with the BBC Fools.
This! I cancelled the bbc tax over ten years ago ....and still get threatograms......it makes no difference......
I love it that they say on the letter “ tell them you don’t need a license “… so do I have to tell the supermarket that I don’t need any milk this week??.. 😂😂
Imagine a copper coming to your door asking if you need a firearm's licence. "On your way pig".
@@MikeEvesor if they popped round regularly to enquire if you had "unlived" anybody this week!....
Imagine how long your weekly shop at Asda would take if your first had to call into Morrisons, Lidl, Sainsbury's etc to tell them you won't be needing them this week. Pissing backward bbc!
Lidl
@hymatwat9412 lol
I do not fund criminality.
I do not fund a corporation which propagandises my replacement.
We all fund criminality through our taxes.
@@demigog9523 Sad but true.
@demigog9523 The TV licence is optional though.
What's wrong with the bbc? They are honest
Post it back without the stamp and they can pay the postage surcharge if it is delivered to them.
put a blank sheet of paper or some toilet tissue in the envelope first so that it will seem not to be empty.
I doubt it will be delivered. I suspect they have an arrangement with the Post Office.
I always do that, we’ve just returned from a six week holiday and I have a visit receipt and two threatening letters, they are all stuffed into one envelope with return to sender 😂 make them pay, spread the word 😂
Post it back with extra weight to increase the charge.
@@MrAustina35By 'toilet tissue', do you mean TVlicensing letters?
You are doing a fantastic job
Thank you, really appreciate it
You’ve saved me almost £1000 with your education jon. Still yet to receive a knock at the door. Thank you 👍
I think the letters are great. Perfect to get the log burner going.
Almost 4 months clean now thanks chilijon. 👍
Well done! 😉
Congratulations😊
I cancelled my tv tax two years ago and recently had a letter asking if i needed one.
I filed it in the trash bin as i don't get bothered or threatened, harrased by sky, netflix or amazon once i end my subscription.
So i thought that was the best place for it.🗑
File 13 is what we called it. I am going to file this in file 13, which meant put it in the trash
I keep mine for posterior.
Just had the 'You have 10 days to get licensed' letter. Bring on the goon.
Amen, and amen, love them to try one here
Mine expired yesterday 😂
The odds of a goon ever appearing depends on where you live. If you live in a relatively well-to-do area the chances are close to zero. The goons know the easy victims are to be found among the poor and badly educated.
Haha I just called them goons in my post as well, and I meant it in the more insulting way. Great minds and all that. Good luck! Leave some for Me! 🤣
yeah got that one a couple of days ago as well
When the goon calls, and you mistakenly speak to him, remember the rules: never disclose your name, say nothing of note, and close the door.
Even if they stopped protecting paedophiles I still wouldn't initiate a contract with the BBC.
It would not surprise me in the least if the BBC are sub contracting this scam out to the expertise to a Dehli call center.
I was visited a few day ago it went like this knock knock I opened the door , he said hellow are you Mr So and so I said who are you he said TV licensing I then said no thank you not today and politely closed the door job done 👍
I did the same a few months ago.
You answer your door?
Hi Jon. I believe Capita is a business. Wonder if they have a tv licence? Perhaps someone should investigate them? 😉
HQ is in Sheffield go and audit them 👍
There was a solicitor who was being chased for a TV licence for his chambers. Eventually, they got a visit. They didn't find TV. The solicitor asked why they thought they had a TV. The explanation was that they work on the principle that every home or business has a TV.
So, guilty under proven innocent then?
When did we turn in to China and n. Korea?
This might be a strange concept for TV Licencing, but most people go to their workplace to work.
And the assumption is that everyone watches the BBC as well, or live TV? Haven't watched terristial TV for years, it's only a mix of soaps, reality and repeats.
I get the letters at my double garage.
I am still waiting for the "Inspectors" to call !
I have my own TV aerial business and I don't watch tv at home. Though I do see some rubbish when I have to tune customer tv's. Its just over priced trash. My online identity is proof I don't watch bbc or the iplayer or ANY of them in fact. They lost me for good because the "news" channel became a branch of tory propaganda. They have NO INTEGRITY. They don't get my money. EVER.
Put some scrap paper in the envelope and post it without a stamp. They'll have to pay to receive it and to check what's inside.
I wouldn't even bother with the scrap paper. I'd just send the empty envelope back.
I have had ‘we have no option but to proceed with the investigation”
I would them to try it with me, just would love it, and contact a solicitor to see if I can obtain compo
I've had about ten of those. Still waiting for the "investigation" to proceed
@@HarryDuBois616 10. I must admit I never counted them, and they still keep coming. Makes me laugh
They should have investigated themselves. They lost over £90 of my payments and it cost me over £20 on the phone. I sent scans of their bus ticket receipts and they tried to wriggle out of it by claiming they couldn’t open them, so i used a different app and asked my local MP’s office to help, which thankfully they did. If they lost mine they must have lost other peoples. But i guess most people would assume they didn’t need to retain the receipts and use a scanner to revive the fading ink, as they are computerised transactions.
That's OK. They can investigate of they want to. There is no requirement for people to comply with that investigation.
Or "an investigation into your premises has been authorised". Err authorised by whom ?
I got several of these almost immediately after I moved into my new premises, I just love it when you're sent a threatening letter to a business address that has nothing to do with the BBC, GO DO ONE
Put the envelope back in the post without a stamp on it and Royal Mail will send them a letter saying they have to pay for this postage before they receive the envelope, no really I'm not trying to waste their money…
Save them up and return to sender 😂😂😂😂 we can all do it all together
I do exactly the same. Have no tv, never need one, too old fashioned is tv.
I suspect that the "inspectors" have a contract deal with Royal Mail.
@@brianlopez8855 They do!
We had the same letter at my business. We do not have need of a TV license. And I was not going to pay to tell them so, so I put it in the bin.
I love how they imply that the reputation of your business hinges on paying for the licence
Their 'investigations' are comical, 3 years of threatening letters and they still only know me as 'legal occupier' 😂
Indeed, anyone who pays the license, automatically gets their reputation dropped a couple of points by me.
I mean, would /you/ trust a business with your money if they were watchers of the BBC ?
Received a letter saying "Are you going to be in on 30th October?", showing through the window of the envelope.
Sent back, return to sender, F.A.O Huw Edwards.
No one turned up on the 30th.
They've investigated me so much that they now know I'm the legal occupier! 😊 !
Lol 😂😂😂😂😂
They've been investigating me since 2008 and seem to think that's my name too! 😂
Much appreciated TH-cam . Thanks for your output . Always enjoy your presentation . 👍🏻👍🏻
Moved in my new flat a month ago, got my first letter today saying there will be a visit on 14th November. Ok lads😂😂
they won't turn up
@RaymondAdams-t2d I know, they didnt at my last place either, even after all the same letters that Chilli got.
Bingo! I got 14th November too! Although, reading a bit further, they also say "It may be on 14th November or another day". If they were honest they would add "or it may be never" to that. Its pure harassment, so I have saved it in my ring binder of TVL threats: maybe one day I can get a journalist to write an expose on the greatest scandal in the British legal system since the postmasters.
return the letter, without a stamp, they will be charged 1st class delivery, with a surcharge, which is more than the stamp
They don't. They have an agreement with Royal mail. I work for royal mail, they pay a pittance for sending a letter postage, but nothing for return to sender regarding Capita.
Remove your own address to remain anonymous.
@@stuartbrown8259 Matters not. Just send it back, and that is what I do
@@stuartbrown8259 the trick is not to use "return to sender" but instead, use the prepaid envelope without a stamp
@@stuartbrown8259 blooming cheek. about 10 yrs ago i sent a magazine to my dad, 2p short on postage, for which they charged him around £1.75
we got one, once you get past all the scare tactics you can just tick a box for no licence needed and send it back. i think i might have "forgot" to put a stamp on their envelope
When you are battling a faceless enemy it doesn't mean their eyes do not see you. Do not forget, they don't play by the rules.
But we play by evidence...
It could destroy your reputation if you fund them.
Cheers Jon. A similar thing happened at my work. Idiots 🤦
LOL Looks like they are learning! Any time I got a SAE with pre-paid postage, I'd fill it as full of rubbish as possible and post it back to them! They don't like it when it's them getting junk mail!
When I used to get lots of junk mail, I used to open them all and just swap them all around and use the prepaid envelopes to share the rubbish around.
Snap ~ remove all identifying features like addresses, names, barcodes, reference numbers etc. RIP it up, pop it in the envelope and send it back without a stamp if one is required. Re junk that junk mail and keep the posties in a job.
I did hear of someone making the returns very, very heavy. All you have to do is legitimately put your return in a post box.
There's a new letter doing the rounds. A 10 day window to get licenced now. A complete pile of s...
Yeah I got that this month. Quite amusing as it basically says they're pausing the investigation for 10 days before starting the investigation again. I suppose that must be the last letter in the cycle of amusing threat-o-grams. Next month I expect to see one of the usual ones, perhaps "You've left us no choice but to begin our investigation". About 3 years licence free and no visit, but I am quite rural.
@bigjoeangel haha yes thats it. It's a flat mate of mine in my block in London. She gets them regular, apparently. I'm sure it could be harassment?
Same one I got in October. My 10 day window expired on 30th October, then they'd send the heavies round. Apparently.
I'm still waiting ...
I have used a solicitor to advise TV Licensing that their constant stream of threatening letters is tantamount to Harassment, which is causing me and my family Alarm & Distress- heard nothing since .
Just send the envelope back unstamped.
- let them pay the postage.
why not get 10,000 envelopes and post them to them write on bottom of envelope cheque enclosed
@@davidsworld5837 I did think of sending them a copy of my book, then bill them £180 for the signed copy and my licence to read it. As it arrived into their property without asking, they have the equipment to read it, and I presume they did- Just like they do to us.
I've got 29 letters on the little shelf by the front door, it's a hobby now collecting them. Not interested in any msm.
Gave up collecting mine years ago tbh. Did think about papering the lounge with them, but hell that's way too much work 😂
Do they have a recurring cycle? You know just the same several letters sent out in order every month. We seem to get one about every month, one month didn't get one, I was almost disappointed, almost. They go in the shredder.
I have a small toilet that needs redecoration, I'm saving my letters for that - I don't need many more!
BBC running a protection racket
These letters show a level of desperation. The BBC are suffering from multiple licence cancellations and are very short of funds hence the more aggressive approach.
Could I get compensation for being pestered with letters, goons and search warrants? Just wondering because I could do with a bit of extra cash.
"Please reply urgently."
*Dear TVL*
*Urgently*
😊
Maybe fill out and return the form (as they've requested) along with an invoice for the work needed to do so for £169.50 + postage.
My comment is 'can you sue them for harrassment? Disruption and defamation of the business?' The law is an ass, but this so called investigation is something else. The level of interferene in your day to day life, is completely overboard.
People have tried in the past with this sort of thing...and the judge throw the case out....please goggle pregnant.......women ...........tv......licence ......"officer"....... hartlepool..... north-east England.....
I've posted this information before and it always gets deleted but here goes again..... it's something people should know...... but it's been swept under the mat.....
It needs crowd-funding to do it
OMFG had me on stitches when you started going on aboutvwhere you had to give them your correct details and needing to then put a stamp lol 😂😂😂😂 classic!!!
Aren't stamps nearly a quid? They should at the very least include a stamp (for you to use at Christmas).
@martyndawson7484 the price of stamps is getting outrageous, not that I need to buy them but still waaaaaaaay overpriced just like nearly everything else
Are they seriously saying that if i watch live tv at someone else's property they need to be licensed and not me?
If thats true, we should all go down to the local library / park etc. Maybe the local tv tax office
Protection of Harassment Act
Communication Act - over communicating resulting in harassment.
We've done the no licence needed thing online every year for 5 years, never had a visit or a letter to our address since doing so.
We did the online thing first off to cancel an already running licence and now every year we get an email asking us to update/opt out again, for the sake of two minutes I am happy to do it, I know I don't have to, but I'd rather do it and then have no contact for a year than to get the amount of letters and visits others get.
I remember when the basis for the British legal system was 'the presumption of innocence', now in so many ways, including TV licencing(its a small part but relevent), the presumption of guilt is paramount.
I wonder if Curry's have one?
It's funny they'll come round to check you don't need a licence. But if you pay, they won't come round to check if you do need it, make sure you've got it right both ways.
Thanks for the info, I’m Welsh and now going to look at S4C 👍
If you are living in Wales you will are getting them in Welsh as well, as we do. Do not despair, that is main course and dessert for a well fed shredder. 😂
@ I’m Welsh but live in Suffolk, as I understand I can watch S4C without a tv tax? On iplayer ?
Hey CJC. I had a visit 3 wks ago from a tv licence salesman. I did speak to him with a civil attitude he said that there was no tv licence at this address, so I told him I don't watch tv, I am living on a state pension and I'm also a carer for my wife who suffers with type 1 diabetes insulin dependant, which has caused a host of other illnesses. Such as Blindness to the right eye, poor vision in her left eye., Neuropathy, Gastroparesis, Osteoarthritis. I control her insulin and medication. I have had to take on the jobs that my can no longer do, this has been
a big challenge for me at 68 yrs old and suffer with fibromyalgia, and that my wife required a special diet. When the salesman left he said I understand your circumstances, and he would put a block on my address. Monday this week I received another letter that they have authorised another visit. How I draft a no rights of implied rights of access??? My wife cant see tv, and my increased work load, I'm just happy to fall into bed by 22:00 Thanks for any advice.
I am sorry to hear of both your awful situation. Simply ignore ALL correspondence, eventually they ignore you and go for easier prey. God bless you both.
You made the mistake of talking to a stranger - just ignore. They are not interested in your life story. Basic confidence and assertiveness is required. This neutralises any perceived authority. "The burden of proof (Latin: onus probandi) , lies with the one who speaks, not the one who denies. It is the obligation on a party in a dispute to provide sufficient warrant for its position. "
@@ef7480 Ok will do from now on.
@@kevinthegerbil2708 thanks will ignore from now on.
You just need to state in a letter...
The legal occupier of
(write you address)
I withdraw your legal rights of access to the above property including any letters that I may perceive as harassing or threatening in any manner.
This is due to a recent visit which has caused me harm and distress from your subsequent letter from that visit. I do not like being lied to and harassed in my property with the intention of you fraudulently obtaining money for a service I do not require.
Regards the home owner.
Do not use your name or let them do anything further. If they do, send their letters back in an envelope with the word no written on it unopened. Do not use a stamp either.
I received my IN01O0 letter today ... for the fifth or sixth time. Harassment.
Absolutely it's Harassment! I receive 2 letters some months. & what the bloomin ell does that code even mean. . Assigning it to people as if to make out they are already criminals 😮
I live in a block of elderly peoples council flats, we have a recreation room with a telly. I have checked and the warden has told me that the council DONT provide TV licenses. As a tenant I have nothing to do with the rec room, although I am entitled to use it, and ALL tenants are mandated to contribute to its cleaning etc. SO who is responsible for the TV license which we legally should have, as people do watch live TV on it? Not me though 🤣
The responsibility is with the building's manager.
YOU SHOULD TEAR UP THE LETTER, PUT IT IN THE ENVERLOPE AND POST IT. THEY WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR THE POSTAGE HAHAHA
Remove your own address to remain anonymous.
No don't do that, fill it with glitter or something similar.
When ever I get envelopes like that I fill them with lots of scrap untraceable paper, make sure it is nice and thick and pop it in the post with no stamp so the recipient has to pay the postage and the no stamp fine.
The envelope is traceable to you, those little orange lines across it are your address. And they don't get charged, you are better off just chucking it in the bin like I do
Nobody needs a TV licence. Only if you watch live tv or bbc iplayer. There are so many better ways to watch tv without paying for the license fee. Never talk to the goons that knock on your door.
I had no name on my letters, so I gave my name, name of my martial arts system and registered home as my full time Dojo!
Not had the knock I was expecting so far 😅
"Do not risk the reputation of your business by ignoring this letter" comes across as "Nice business you have there, it'd be a shame if anything were to happen to it wouldn't it?"
You sound like the Driscoll brothers visiting the Nag's Head in Peckham.
to me it sounds more like "We hope you are scared and intimidated by our empty and invalid threats. We are big and really really scary."
That's exactly how protection rackets work.
BBC are racketeers plain and simple.
No different to the Mafia threatening to burn your nightclub unless you wish to 'benefit' from their protection.
I love those self addressed but not prepaid envelopes from capita. After much experimentation i have found the best material to send by return are sheets of lasagne soaked overnight and sealed in a plastic bag. Gives satisfying weight and flexibility to cause maximum annoyance and cost.
I did the online "No licence required" statement about 5 months ago and, barring a couple of quite innocuous "are you certain?" letters, I haven't heard a peep from them!
Maybe this is the calm before the storm, but I've been quite pleasantly surprised by how easy they're making it for me!
Ngl i didnt know businesses needed a tv license til this video
I only thought about it just now too but I do remember the family court having a notice about needing your own licence.
I'm a postie and get the letters for all types of businesses, mostly shops, none of them even have a tv that I have ever seen, they don't get as many letters as residential homes though.
"The officers will still try stitch you up" YES, THEY WILL! A neighbour had a visit, knock at the door "Who are you? No thanks, don't need one" and shut the door, BUT.... They saw his TV through an exterior window, and EVEN THOUGH it was playing a Dismally DVD for his two kids, THEY REPORTED HIM FOR WATCHING LIVE TV!!! So, off to court he is dragged, and though he and his solicitor HAD TO JUMP THROUGH MANY STRESS INDUCING HOOPS, he DID finally win the case!!!!
So... Moral of the story, IF YOU DO NOT NEED to pay the TV TAX, CHECK TO SEE IF YOUR TV IS VIEWABLE FROM AN EXTERIOR WINDOW! Curtains, blinds, even MOVE the damn thing! Those cnuts WILL try ANYTHING to get you! 😡😡😡
It must be so scary. All that worry must be to much to cope with
good point. a lot of old people feel pressured into buying a tv license they don't need. it is nice of you to consider other people who need help.
Thanks for your work. Keep them coming!
All should cancel you tv licence, mass to listen, defund Capita and the BBC
They must think you just came down with the last drop of rain Chilli 😭
I have been telling them I don't need a license for nearly 10 years and they left me alone. Mind you I live on a private road tucked away, which even the local Taxis cant find most of the time. That's what probably has kept them of my back. I have been advising people about the rules [ as a CAB advisor] for about 10 years, and I am pleased to see that people are understanding their rights. Good luck with the BBC Fools.
@ChilliJonCarne have you had the 'we have given you a 10 day window to get properly licensed' one yet?
OMG how desperate are these people. more threatening wording from tv licencing.
can I ask a question.....my nephew visited his other cousin recently, he connected his iPad to their wifi and watched some BBC iplayer kids shows. The address they were at is a No license needed status. Within days they received a letter from the hounds telling them they knew they had been watching BBC player at that address and now needed a licence,or else... is this the case, I'm not sure on this any advice welcome
Do his parents have a licence?
@@TheFurrry you have to very careful having a “BBC Account” for being able to comment on news stories etc. that account allows you to touch on such things as iplayer without any warning “you need a license” to access this.
When you sign up to a bbc account you get an email to the email address you use that you have to click on. Once you do that they can see everything you are doing. So that would explain the letter your family received
It seems to be true, yes. My local Starbucks has a very Official certificate on the wall stating that their WiFi was not to be used for watching TV.
Someone got moaned at for watching TV in the café at my local library.
He countered by showing them his license and that he was actually using the cellular network, not the library's WiFi
Had a letter the other day. Will you be in on 30th October? No sign of them.
Chilli is doing Gods work and he doesn't have a TV License either 😂
These letters came in very useful this weekend, I needed something as kindling for my Guy Fawkes Night fire!
Thanks
I live in a block of flats, phoned up TVL, and cancelled my license 2 years ago. I've had 19 letters in that time, and no visits. I think that they won't bother with flats, and as what you say, many flats have to buzz you in, and they don't want to waste time knocking on 1 door on the top floor just to be told get lost. It could be a factor!
Sorry you're having to deal with this.
I don't have a licence as i dont need one. However I do listen to Radio 4 now and again for which, of course, I don't need a licence. I de registered from BBC iPlayer but now I'm unable to access Radio 4 on my tv nor will Alexa connect to Radio 4 unless I'm registered with iplayer.
i had the same problem and now i have stopped listening to radio 4. don't miss it.
@@Ztandard32Hmmm interesting. I have a BBC 'account" which goes to a junk email address, I have never 'registered' for i-player nor been into it - IIRC it asks you to confirm you have a TV licence before you enter it.
I just go into Sounds for listening to BBC 3, 4 and 4 xtra and have no problems accessing them. However, I first registered with them many years ago so maybe things have changed since then.
Sounds like thry're just fishing...
I’d return it with a “no thank you” note 😆
They don’t stop. So just ignore.
Got one at my business the other day,it went in the bin with all the others.
I work for a division of the DWP we use a facility for centralised mail handling. We received one of these letters sent to our mail handling site. Not our office address, not the facility address, the benefit specific address.
No way to say you don’t need a licence online. I wrote to them shop was empty and no licence needed. They still sent another letter. File 13.
My brother in law died six months ago and my wife undertook the responsibility of his affairs. Whilst sorting through his mail she came across a letter from the bbc for renewal of his tv license, we contacted the bbc and informed them of his death. The house was put up for sale and a board was placed in the front garden saying for sale. Three weeks later whilst checking the property we discovered a note from the bbc saying they had called and a license was required. Returning to the property four weeks later another note was left stating they had called again and a license was still required,all this despite the sign saying sold on the board. These people are beyond .disgusting. Im please to say we have not paid for five years and have no intention of doing so. I would also say we don’t have a tv.
I have received one of these business letters. This is an office without TV's but we do have computers with internet access and staff have mobile phones. The letter has our business address at the top and addressed to the proprietor or manager. At the end of the first paragraph it says we need a licence for any device including TV, computer, laptop, mobile phone or tablet.
I had another letter yesterday, straight in the bin. If we all started a class action lawsuit against Capita, BBC for harrassment, would we have a case? So sick of this shit.
I use i player all the time and I haven’t got a TV licence.
Not a good idea to publish that fact here. Do you assume the goons don't monitor this channel ?
I done the no licence needed , 1 month later they sent a goon , door remained shut 😂 never seen or heard from them again 😂😂😂
I’d print an A4 size sheet of paper saying F OFF on it. Put it in the return envelope. Put no stamp on it and post it. They’ll have to pay the postage when they receive it. Simples 😂😂😂😉
Great stuff as always 👍
When I had a TV shop in the 1980s you could get a special licence for test, repair and demonstration for 35p a year (used to be 7s6d pre-decimalisation)
How about pick one day in the year, when everone sends all the letters back to the bbc. Then they can recycle the letters as part of there sustainabilty responsability. (Paperless society)
WAIT A MINUTE.... So... A customer who walks into a Cafe (say), orders a cuppa (maybe a fry up too), starts watching a live footy match, ALL IS FINE... BUT... They plug their phone into charge at the wall outlet, and THAT'S THEN WHEN THE CAFE IS AT FAULT even IF the Cafe has no TV mounted anywhere??? WHAT... THE... ACTUAL... F??? 😲😲😲😒🤨😡😡😡
Well done Jon keep up the good work
When BBC shares in C4 S4, are sold no tvl would be needed. TVL is live tv and radio, BBC only, in fact the Act states communications, and in fact there is no tvl as in law its still a radio with battery licence under the Post Office
The BBC does not have shares in Channel 4 nor S4C. However, the BBC is responsible for funding S4C. The TV Licence is fundamentally for the privilege of watching live tv, a licence is not required to listen to the radio.
The reference suggested to the post office is very old legislation that has been updated many times. The legislation that currently covers the licence is part 4 of The Communications Act 2003, titled "Licensing of TV Reception"
Just return the envelope John, no contents no stamp.
Licencing will have to pay the postage to receive it and then find it empty.
Thanks Jon, cleared up a few points👍👍
Thank you Chilli JonCarne 5 year's licence fee saved you couldn't pay me to watch the crap they call entertainment.
Take any thing that can identify you or your bussiness off the paperwork and post it back to them without a stamp. Or send them any other junk mail you have handy, without a stamp!
"Your under Investigation". Yeah well, never mind.
If anyone should be under investigation it's the BBC.