@@frankielov The word tablet as a hand held rectangle you write on, read, and erase is ironically far older than it's application to anything pharmaceutical.
I have opted to receive my threats by email. The BBC is very reasonable though. They have informed me that I can change to postal threats any time I wish.
I haven't had a licence for over 15 years. No one is making you pay for it. The rules are very clear as to who needs a TV licence. If you watch TV within the rules that require a licence, that's by choice, and a licence is required.
I don't understand why anyone would want to watch the BBC iplayer? There's nothing worth watching on the BBC, stopped paying my license and delete the iplayer and even their other apps that I wouldn't have needed a license for, a deceitful corporation that I don't like, trust or respect.
I'm never answering their disrespectful letters that can't even address me personally. I object to being called the "occupier". Should I be calling them "the oppressor"?
I got another one of those 'let us know if you're still not watching tv or pay if you are' letters. Immediately in the bin. I've told them before, I'm not wasting my time telling them again.
Never used BBC iPlayer and its been twenty plus years i have watched BBC. Didnt need a licence either we watched it on a ship. Just say no thanks, don't get wound up about it. Just say no thanks and shut door
Not really, i declare no license needed, and they can give my details to Capita, they will find nothing, because i don't use anything that needs a tv license.
Been licence free for over 5 years, I don't watch any live TV broadcasts at all or iplayer. Only using TV for a couple of streaming services, TH-cam, dvd's and gaming. Won't watch anything on live broadcast as long as there's a TV Licence, scrap it now.
So glad i never had a tv license. Had a few letters to which i didnt respond. One visit, i was polite but refused entry and told them i wont let unsolicited visitors in unkess they have a warrant for it. Never had another visit or letter in the 11 years ive lived here 🤣
I received, today, a 10 day window to get a licence with my status 'temporarily on hold'. Thing is... I haven't watched tv at home since 1992, and have informed them a few times. If I'm around friends or family I'll suffer netflix. Anyway, if I don't get a licence... They'll send the goons around.... ROFLMAO 🤣 Look forward to their visit, I need to let some steam off. 😁
An email address is not proof enough of someone using BBC iPlayer services alone. They would need a MAC address and IP address as proof that it accessed in the UK and not been used by a bad actor or third party maliciously. Also a VPN would be able to bypass all this, I would find it near impossible to get a full conviction from any of this information these days as people accounts especially email accounts get leaked by bad actors all the time. You hear it on the news another company had a data breach and millions of customers information leaked, that would include passwords and email address's and lots of other useful information for data brokers to sell on the dark web.
Not bought a Tv licence for years. Everything goes in the bin. They sent someone round to the house, and i told him to F-off. Never heard another word for 2 years. You can use i-player as a guest.
I very much hope you are using a reputable VPN for you sake then. Because if you are accessing I-player without one it doesn't matter if you are a guest or not that can and probably are tracking your use of BBCIplayer through you ISP address number which is unique to your address. I fear if you have not got a VPN its only a matter of time until you get the goons on knock on your door with the police with a warrant.
32 years on the 19th without subscription. They don't know my name, email address etc. I had my letter , rang them using 141 in front of my number. They accepted, sent a letter today to the occupier saying that 1 in 10 of people saying they don't need a licence do? Lol absolutely pathetic and they know nothing about me. I've blocked all my info, I do not have any loyalty cards or the like for the same the sell your information and give you peanuts back.
When I first got the threatograms (decades ago) they upset me a great deal. But these days, with all the information on the net to reassure me as to their utter lack of any real meaning, I just file them in a binder. If I ever find myself in court I will hand the binder to the magistrates and ask them would anyone in their right mind cooperate with a company that does this?
My 2 year license exemption ran out at the end of September and I had to wait until yesterday for my first begging letter from TVL, standards must be slipping.
the only license in the world for which you have to apply 'not' to have, and keep applying 'not' to have it every two years....I get a threatening letter every month but must admit I am impressed with their creative ways of threatening with each letter being different from the last
I've actually got an email from a few years back saying, "we have noticed you're not using your account. After whatever date they said, your account will be deleted.
Short answer no - it's a common misconception. Long version - sharing data is not illegal if there is a reasonable need to do so and you have informed the consumer that the sharing may occur if you sign up to the service - you almost certainly agree to this by signing up for BBC iPlayer. The BBC can also claim that the sharing is related to law enforcement activities, which also is a legitimate reason for data sharing.
I’ve just had the latest letter. This time they are offering to help me get a licence and would like to have someone pop round to my house to assist and advise me. I can’t quote it exactly as the letter went straight into the recycling.
I got one of these. As I argued back to them, I was watching at a relatives house who does have a licence so no breach of their rules. The snotty email is a disgrace. Since then moved house and just ignore their junk mail and use a fake email address on iPlayer at said relatives.
I completed my 3rd consecutive online "No licence needed" declaration recently. A week later I received a letter almost demanding that I buy a licence. I shredded it, any more letters will be returned to whoever sent it.
I would estimate at least 1/3 (£1.5 billion) of the BBC license fee goes on these 3rd party entity's, it does make me wonder whether it's these said companies who have got a lot to lose if the license fee is scraped and it has nothing to do with the actual watching TV itself. 'Capita, Sagacity and others involved have to much to lose if the license fee is scraped''
Even if they have your login there's no way for them to know that you weren't watching it at a friend's house who has a TV licence, and they won't be able to obtain the IP address user info anyway. It wouid basically be completely non-evidence that could never stand up in court
You're forgetting, if you have no business with them, they have no reason to retain your information. Simply "instruct" them to remove you from their databases, they have to comply or be in breach of the data protection act or whatever they're calling it these days.
I haven't used BBC IPlayer in so long that I didn't even know it needed a login now. I last BBC IPlayer show I watched was Dr Who, Peter Capaldi, they were robbing a bank. I think I got about a quarter of the way through it and give up.
They track you when you plug in your phone charger in A wall socket whilst using BBC I player. Then cross reference weather that address is licenced. I know that as A petrol filling station got A letter, that someone was watching And it was under an unlicenced address.
@@capnpugwash5403No. You can watch on your phone away from your address if you have a licence. However (and no, this not made up) if you plug it in at a different address, that address requires a licence. They would not know if any given mobile phone is associated with any given address with a licence.
I think that it is a mistake to cancel your TV licence. There is no legal requirement to do so, and by doing so, you are just giving them information that they may not have. I do not watch live TV, and when I stopped doing so, I stopped paying them.
So I just called to cancel my tv license as I don't watch any live tv or use any bbc services. I'm honestly amazed at how scummy Capitar and the BBC are. Threatening to send police to my door if I choose not to renew my no license needed after 12 months. You need a warrant and efficient evidence for that to get passed mate and I'm under no obligation to speak to your agents. They are sales men. Trying to insist that you need a license to watch Netflix or prime lol. Only if it's a live signal. You are allowed to watch catch up TV such as Netflix, prime, and now TV just as long as it's not live and you can't use BBC iPlayer. I responded to him and said I'm aware of the do's and don'ts and have done my research. He tried to suggest that I am like many people who I claiming to have done their research. You simply respond by repeating that you are aware and you do not need this explaining. They also tried to suggest I need a license to have a mobile phone and any other devices, I kept my response short and sweet and said well I don't want any live broadcast signal or use BBC iPlayer. So again I am aware of my rights and what I need a license for. Don't waste your time explaining why they are wrong its to get you to talk to them. They threatened to send someone to my door. So I kept my. I'm set short and sweet that I will not be engaging with your sales agent any further, as I am under no obligation by law and I have declined. I no longer need a TV license. They might also threaten you like they did with me, they might also threaten you like they did with me with a thousand pound fine. If they were telling the truth they would tell you that the average is £180 and that's only if you incriminate yourself. If an agent comes to your door, you shut the door and say no Thank you goodbye. They will not have police with them as this would require evidence that there is a crime committed, and if that's the case the police would only come to execute a warrant and keep the peace. If what they were saying was true, the police would be called every time you say no to a salesman on your doorstep who might be trying to flog you a hoover. Don't be scared of these people, I honestly didn't believe that they could be that scummy to try and lie, but the less you say and the more you show that you've done your research the better. They might try and state that you need a license for having a TV, this is also not true, It states on the BBC tv license website a license is not needed for owning equipment only if it's been used for live broadcasting services which they have to prove. In order to do that, you would have to either incriminate yourself by talking to them, or they would have to find evidence. If you are like me and you don't watch live TV or use iplayer, you have nothing to worry about. They will ask you to confirm your name and the address, if you don't, they will stay that they can't continue with the process of cancellation. I tried to avoid this as they already have this information. They just want me to confirm it so they can visit. So my recommendation is don't bother ringing them like I did. Yes, I will get no letters for the next 12 months but afterwards I'll be bombarded. Just cancel your direct debit. They will tell you that you are eligible for a refund. But if you are serious about canceling, it's best not to engage with them. You'll save money anyway by not needing to pay £170 every year.
Wow that sounds like a faff. Luckily I have never had a TV license and the only action I ever took to any of the letters was to recycle them. I've only ever had one visit, told him I didn't need a license. He tried to tell me that an investigator may come round to check and I just said that's fine if he brings a warrant. Never had a visit or a letter from them since lol.
As COMMENT yesterday I am in 86 year with few health problems received 2 letters recently 2nd yesterday believe I can handle it myself ! What I want to say though is a lot of PEOPLE being threatened by these THUGS are elderly PENSIONERS who should be made aware by FRIENDS RELATIVES,NEIGHBOURS,that they DON'T NEED TO PAY THIS BLACKMAIL ROBBERY 🇬🇧🇬🇧
People who sign up for iplayer consent in the ts and cs, there is nothing fishy. When you apply you give them permission and very few people ever bother to anonymise the info BBC receives not that that would do much good anyway. The BBC/TVL/Capita have the contract with Sagacity and not the people who cancel their licence with an email address and then use the same email to sign up for a service they can't legally watch.
@@Holycurative9610 all sources of personal data must have a legal basis. Just iplayer terms are not enough. All sources of data must have a legal basis.
Look if when i watch TV very rare am alone always working in my garage, it's not my fault if when it's on if i go through the channels and accidently get the wrong station ,BBC stop your signal and everyone can watch what left 😅
It does sound like what you are doing is illegal if you have cancelled your license. You need a license to watch any broadcast TV. Best thing to do is get rid of your ariel and Satellite dish to be sure you are not breaking the law.
No because Saga city would have a IP address with the email address that you logged into. But that doesn't necessarily mean that your using it at that address. You could be using it at a friend's house that has BBC I player. They would still have to know that IP address and only your broadband provider would know for certain it is yours. Your broadband provider would not give that information out. It has to be 100% prof to prosacute you.
Your broadband provider is legally obligated to provide data for law enforcement activities. As to 100% proof - that's not true, the legal test is "beyond reasonable doubt"
I cancelled my TV licence about four months ago and, apart from a single letter asking me to contact them if my situation changes, they seem to be okay about it. When I cancelled, I was expecting a barrage of correspondence but it just hasn't happened....so far.
Slightly straying from your normal adherence to abiding by the law here. "If you fancy watching a bit of iPlayer… (here I was expecting you to say."you need to get a TV licence first") … change your email address!" Nooooo! You have my respect as an honest and upright man. Please don't change that! After all, there is a legal way to do it: find someone who also wants to watch the same programmes on their licence, and get them to invite you over. Then you can peer over their shoulder while they are watching it!
I'm ashamed to say, I had a TV licence for 20 years and in that time I accessed Iplayer a few times, iirc before you even needed an email address. There was one thing on it worth watching. I didn't bother going back and shortly after canceled my licence. I don't miss it and barely think about the BBC unless I see a news story about it or a ChiliJonCarne video 😆
So The BBC and Capita do cross-reference iPlayer access logs with the TV licence database. I knew it! They do have access to both those things, so that didn't surprise me. I always say they're not stupid. If you're using iPlayer but don't have a licence, you're going to be in trouble. I deleted my iPlayer account as soon as I became licence-free. Not worth the risk.
@@MikeEves If they cross-reference your iPlayer logins with the TV licence database and IP addresses, you're f**ked in court with the amount of data they've collected from you.
They'll likely have clauses in their privacy policy and terms and conditions, whereby using their services allows them to share data with third-party services / partners. I had to put together a privacy policy and T&C for a financial services company a few years back and we had to incorporate that in on a just-in case basis. I'd be very surprised if they aren't watertight there.
Jon explains how it works! It's the matching of the email address associated with the declaration of non use and the one associated with the BBC account used to access iPlayer. Much easier for them to do than faffing with IPs, especially in a time of VPN usage and them having to involve ISPs.
You are not looking into the abyss, it’s looking into you. A cookie is nought but a sweety from Myra Hindly’s bag. There was an ample sufficiency of propaganda on there years ago. To host adverts would only make their dross look even worse.
But the thing is if you have an BBC I player Account with your Email registered with it, what prof have they that your watching it at your address. You could be watching it in someone else's house that has a TV Licence. If that's the case they would have to prove that thr IP address is linked to your home address. Your broadband provider would not give out IP addresses to the BBC or TV Licence.
they word the email cleverly. You have told us you don't need a licence at X address. Our records show that you’ve recently used BBC iPlayer. The two things don't necessarily go together but they let fear or guilty consciences join the dots.
Don’t need a tv licence My tv works very well without One. ☝🏽
Mine too, come on everyone join us
@@SkadiandNjord😊👍🏽
😂 What is a TV ?! Is it like my Tablet...?
@@brigidsingleton1596 tv 📺 something you watch, tablet 💊 something you swallow 🤠
@@frankielov The word tablet as a hand held rectangle you write on, read, and erase is ironically far older than it's application to anything pharmaceutical.
Just remember. The more people that cancel, the less chance of getting a visit. 😉😉😉😉
They can visit me all they like I don't answer my door to cold callers and my family/friends/neighbours know to shout my name in emergencies.
I would not watch any bbc shit that’s why I don’t pay for it
I have opted to receive my threats by email. The BBC is very reasonable though. They have informed me that I can change to postal threats any time I wish.
If your really lucky you might even get a visit 😂😂😂 👍
😂😂😂😂😂😂@@dirtyburtysgraffcafe5030
@@dirtyburtysgraffcafe5030 a visit is more amusing than their broadcast crap, and its live. And FREE.
@@dirtyburtysgraffcafe5030 Would that be by video link? 😀
Legally TV License Free Since 2007.
Licence free since 1981
Legally gun licence free since 1984
@@The_Penguin_Overlord Totally Free since 2012
@@MikeEves Fishing rod licence free for 35 years. Top that. And no visits about it.
TV licence free since 2000(ish).
Wouldn't watch BBC if they paid me, not giving any support or my viewing time to a corporation that employs PDF files, simples.
Same here, don’t need it, don’t want it, more added to my list weekly… rbl the latest.
Great share what they like, my email doesn’t exist.
PDF files are persecuted. Please stop with the bullying.
You can't spell 'paid'. No one cares what you think.
@@markfox1545 So you defend the likes of Jimmy Savile, maybe your hard drive needs checking.
You need to pay fhe BBC via the licence even if you just watch commercial TV. Imagine Tesco demanding money from you because you shop at Sainsbury's.
If I get a letter for the legal occupier, it goes straight in the bin
My letters come to the “proprietor or manager” 😂
It's a bit like scammers who ring 100 people in the hope that one or two will answer the call and fall for the scam!
It beggars belief how we are still having to pay for something we don't want!!!!
You don't have to though. Who's making you pay for something you don't want?
If you paid it's because you wanted to. No other reason.
I haven't had a licence for over 15 years. No one is making you pay for it. The rules are very clear as to who needs a TV licence. If you watch TV within the rules that require a licence, that's by choice, and a licence is required.
because he though he had to.@@MikeEves
But, you are missing out on the very talented humour. Foe example......er...um ..oh..Len Henry...and.........maybe not.
My conscious is clear, I haven't watch live, or recorded any liveTV or watched BBC iplayer on any device since I stopped paying BBC tax a year ago.
Their threat letters are illegal and Royal Mail are enabling it. They really think I have to bow down to them. It's quite extraordinary.
I don't understand why anyone would want to watch the BBC iplayer? There's nothing worth watching on the BBC, stopped paying my license and delete the iplayer and even their other apps that I wouldn't have needed a license for, a deceitful corporation that I don't like, trust or respect.
I'm never answering their disrespectful letters that can't even address me personally. I object to being called the "occupier". Should I be calling them "the oppressor"?
I got another one of those 'let us know if you're still not watching tv or pay if you are' letters. Immediately in the bin. I've told them before, I'm not wasting my time telling them again.
Yep, they stand out a mile from my other letters, so straight in the bin without opening. I had a lovely red envelope with a window last time 🙂
Defund the Bent BBC 'oh silly me what'am i saying!?.. 'I already have! 😂
Never used BBC iPlayer and its been twenty plus years i have watched BBC. Didnt need a licence either we watched it on a ship. Just say no thanks, don't get wound up about it. Just say no thanks and shut door
I got an apology from the BBC of accusing me of watching BBC Iplayer when I have not!
An apology from the BBC! ...must be a fake! 😉👍
So the "No License Needed" declaration is a means for Capita to get you to give them your personal data to help them harass you.
Exactly. Imagine phoning the police and saying you don't have guns....
Not really, i declare no license needed, and they can give my details to Capita, they will find nothing, because i don't use anything that needs a tv license.
@@LungdogWoooosh...
I prefer to waste their time knocking on my door, so I can ignore them!
That's the way, maximum cost. Maximum free entertainment.
The BBC is like standing charges, you don't use it but you still have to pay!!
You dont have to pay if you dont watch their bias rubbishy programs.
It's going up to £218 bud disgusting the crap that's on BBC all reports every day
Only if you want it to go up, otherwise you pay nothing
£218 saved on my annual budget.
Been licence free for over 5 years, I don't watch any live TV broadcasts at all or iplayer.
Only using TV for a couple of streaming services, TH-cam, dvd's and gaming.
Won't watch anything on live broadcast as long as there's a TV Licence, scrap it now.
So glad i never had a tv license. Had a few letters to which i didnt respond. One visit, i was polite but refused entry and told them i wont let unsolicited visitors in unkess they have a warrant for it. Never had another visit or letter in the 11 years ive lived here 🤣
When I cancelled my licence I cancelled iplayer!
I watch it on next doors WiFi
Brilliant 😂😂
I'm on next doors WiFi, with permission, but I can't be arsed with TV.
On an account with your email address
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ask for a Subject Access Request instead of FOIA. They have to give you anything related to you include internal emails and memos.
I received, today, a 10 day window to get a licence with my status 'temporarily on hold'.
Thing is... I haven't watched tv at home since 1992, and have informed them a few times.
If I'm around friends or family I'll suffer netflix.
Anyway, if I don't get a licence... They'll send the goons around.... ROFLMAO 🤣
Look forward to their visit, I need to let some steam off. 😁
Been license fee my whole life. Have never bought one and never will
same!
same same, i am 62.
An email address is not proof enough of someone using BBC iPlayer services alone. They would need a MAC address and IP address as proof that it accessed in the UK and not been used by a bad actor or third party maliciously. Also a VPN would be able to bypass all this, I would find it near impossible to get a full conviction from any of this information these days as people accounts especially email accounts get leaked by bad actors all the time. You hear it on the news another company had a data breach and millions of customers information leaked, that would include passwords and email address's and lots of other useful information for data brokers to sell on the dark web.
Not bought a Tv licence for years. Everything goes in the bin. They sent someone round to the house, and i told him to F-off. Never heard another word for 2 years. You can use i-player as a guest.
I very much hope you are using a reputable VPN for you sake then. Because if you are accessing I-player without one it doesn't matter if you are a guest or not that can and probably are tracking your use of BBCIplayer through you ISP address number which is unique to your address. I fear if you have not got a VPN its only a matter of time until you get the goons on knock on your door with the police with a warrant.
32 years on the 19th without subscription. They don't know my name, email address etc.
I had my letter , rang them using 141 in front of my number.
They accepted, sent a letter today to the occupier saying that 1 in 10 of people saying they don't need a licence do?
Lol absolutely pathetic and they know nothing about me.
I've blocked all my info,
I do not have any loyalty cards or the like for the same the sell your information and give you peanuts back.
Got a red one today, straight in the bin 😂😂
No TV licence since Saville and never again!
that does not make any sense at all.
@@linking-itit makes total sense
Hi chillijon, i received my 6th threat letter today I'm quaking in my boots 😂
With laughter, I hope?
@@mikehippersonsame here I got a letter through the post as the occupier they are going to send the TV GOONS AROUND 🤣😅😱🥶
When I first got the threatograms (decades ago) they upset me a great deal. But these days, with all the information on the net to reassure me as to their utter lack of any real meaning, I just file them in a binder. If I ever find myself in court I will hand the binder to the magistrates and ask them would anyone in their right mind cooperate with a company that does this?
I send the threat letter as return to sender don’t need a tv tax. It cost them more money 😂
@@paulw4834 these people act like the bbc gestapo 🤣😅👹😈
I’ve requested that they cease sending their tv signal onto my property but I’ve not had any response as yet .
My 2 year license exemption ran out at the end of September and I had to wait until yesterday for my first begging letter from TVL, standards must be slipping.
What about your gun licence exemption? Has that run out too?
I hate that iplayer came pre-installed on my tv and I can't uninstall it
You can blame the government for that little trick.
the only license in the world for which you have to apply 'not' to have, and keep applying 'not' to have it every two years....I get a threatening letter every month but must admit I am impressed with their creative ways of threatening with each letter being different from the last
I've actually got an email from a few years back saying, "we have noticed you're not using your account. After whatever date they said, your account will be deleted.
Stopped watching bbc's opinions many year's ago.
Been watching catchup for years. Didn't even know live was still broadcasted these days.
Isn't sharing information against the data protection act and is therefore illegal
Short answer no - it's a common misconception.
Long version - sharing data is not illegal if there is a reasonable need to do so and you have informed the consumer that the sharing may occur if you sign up to the service - you almost certainly agree to this by signing up for BBC iPlayer. The BBC can also claim that the sharing is related to law enforcement activities, which also is a legitimate reason for data sharing.
there's plenty of reasons to have multiple emails these days.
Simple answer :
- play a straight game
- don't declare anything
Don't put your email address on your No licence required declaration. Simples.
CJC, you didn't get angry, which is far more fun than anything on the BBC!
Thank you for your commentary Chilli... it is much appreciated
Just as I was typing just use a dummy email Jon said it.
I’ve just had the latest letter.
This time they are offering to help me get a licence and would like to have someone pop round to my house to assist and advise me.
I can’t quote it exactly as the letter went straight into the recycling.
a redacted / denied FOI is a contradiction in terms.
why would you ever want to watch i player
I got one of these. As I argued back to them, I was watching at a relatives house who does have a licence so no breach of their rules. The snotty email is a disgrace. Since then moved house and just ignore their junk mail and use a fake email address on iPlayer at said relatives.
I completed my 3rd consecutive online "No licence needed" declaration recently. A week later I received a letter almost demanding that I buy a licence. I shredded it, any more letters will be returned to whoever sent it.
I can't return my letters as there's no address on the them. They all go in the bin.
@@susanhines7994 Why shred it. That is a waste of good toilet paper lol
I would estimate at least 1/3 (£1.5 billion) of the BBC license fee goes on these 3rd party entity's, it does make me wonder whether it's these said companies who have got a lot to lose if the license fee is scraped and it has nothing to do with the actual watching TV itself. 'Capita, Sagacity and others involved have to much to lose if the license fee is scraped''
The plural of entity is entities.
Plus the extortionate amount they pay the presenters - namely, what flappy ears was earning...
Even if they have your login there's no way for them to know that you weren't watching it at a friend's house who has a TV licence, and they won't be able to obtain the IP address user info anyway. It wouid basically be completely non-evidence that could never stand up in court
They just assume you have. They can't fathom someone really not needing to watch their trash.
You're forgetting, if you have no business with them, they have no reason to retain your information. Simply "instruct" them to remove you from their databases, they have to comply or be in breach of the data protection act or whatever they're calling it these days.
I haven't used BBC IPlayer in so long that I didn't even know it needed a login now.
I last BBC IPlayer show I watched was Dr Who, Peter Capaldi, they were robbing a bank. I think I got about a quarter of the way through it and give up.
Tos is where the term TOSSSERS comes from
I've blocked BBC domains on my firewall. BBC free now!
Me too
They track you when you plug in your phone charger in A wall socket whilst using BBC I player. Then cross reference weather that address is licenced. I know that as A petrol filling station got A letter, that someone was watching And it was under an unlicenced address.
Wether!😮
😂😂
It would not have been the being on charge, it would have been the phone sending and receiving it's location while watching the Beeb.
@@capnpugwash5403No.
You can watch on your phone away from your address if you have a licence.
However (and no, this not made up) if you plug it in at a different address, that address requires a licence. They would not know if any given mobile phone is associated with any given address with a licence.
I think that it is a mistake to cancel your TV licence. There is no legal requirement to do so, and by doing so, you are just giving them information that they may not have. I do not watch live TV, and when I stopped doing so, I stopped paying them.
People are stupid. They think the BBC is an authority. They are nothing.
A live broadcast, watched a minute after the programme started - is no longer live to the viewer...
@@DefCon12345But it is live when you recorded. So, yes, it does.
Could Mr Funt make an FOI request on your behalf? 😁
I know I made sure I deleted account to any bbc player so I can't access the player
Me too and I've never even opened BBC iPlayer 😂
Yep me too
Me too 👍
@@laceandwhiskythey wouldn't know if you did
So I just called to cancel my tv license as I don't watch any live tv or use any bbc services. I'm honestly amazed at how scummy Capitar and the BBC are.
Threatening to send police to my door if I choose not to renew my no license needed after 12 months. You need a warrant and efficient evidence for that to get passed mate and I'm under no obligation to speak to your agents. They are sales men.
Trying to insist that you need a license to watch Netflix or prime lol. Only if it's a live signal. You are allowed to watch catch up TV such as Netflix, prime, and now TV just as long as it's not live and you can't use BBC iPlayer.
I responded to him and said I'm aware of the do's and don'ts and have done my research. He tried to suggest that I am like many people who I claiming to have done their research.
You simply respond by repeating that you are aware and you do not need this explaining.
They also tried to suggest I need a license to have a mobile phone and any other devices, I kept my response short and sweet and said well I don't want any live broadcast signal or use BBC iPlayer. So again I am aware of my rights and what I need a license for. Don't waste your time explaining why they are wrong its to get you to talk to them.
They threatened to send someone to my door. So I kept my. I'm set short and sweet that I will not be engaging with your sales agent any further, as I am under no obligation by law and I have declined. I no longer need a TV license.
They might also threaten you like they did with me, they might also threaten you like they did with me with a thousand pound fine. If they were telling the truth they would tell you that the average is £180 and that's only if you incriminate yourself.
If an agent comes to your door, you shut the door and say no Thank you goodbye.
They will not have police with them as this would require evidence that there is a crime committed, and if that's the case the police would only come to execute a warrant and keep the peace.
If what they were saying was true, the police would be called every time you say no to a salesman on your doorstep who might be trying to flog you a hoover.
Don't be scared of these people, I honestly didn't believe that they could be that scummy to try and lie, but the less you say and the more you show that you've done your research the better.
They might try and state that you need a license for having a TV, this is also not true, It states on the BBC tv license website a license is not needed for owning equipment only if it's been used for live broadcasting services which they have to prove. In order to do that, you would have to either incriminate yourself by talking to them, or they would have to find evidence. If you are like me and you don't watch live TV or use iplayer, you have nothing to worry about.
They will ask you to confirm your name and the address, if you don't, they will stay that they can't continue with the process of cancellation. I tried to avoid this as they already have this information. They just want me to confirm it so they can visit. So my recommendation is don't bother ringing them like I did. Yes, I will get no letters for the next 12 months but afterwards I'll be bombarded. Just cancel your direct debit. They will tell you that you are eligible for a refund. But if you are serious about canceling, it's best not to engage with them. You'll save money anyway by not needing to pay £170 every year.
Wow that sounds like a faff. Luckily I have never had a TV license and the only action I ever took to any of the letters was to recycle them. I've only ever had one visit, told him I didn't need a license. He tried to tell me that an investigator may come round to check and I just said that's fine if he brings a warrant. Never had a visit or a letter from them since lol.
Capita run my pension scheme. So I know exactly how bad they are.
Sign in with a ten minute email. when did a public company become a private company. paid for by the public ??????????
As COMMENT yesterday I am in 86 year with few health problems received 2 letters recently 2nd yesterday believe I can handle it myself ! What I want to say though is a lot of PEOPLE being threatened by these THUGS are elderly PENSIONERS who should be made aware by FRIENDS RELATIVES,NEIGHBOURS,that they DON'T NEED TO PAY THIS BLACKMAIL ROBBERY 🇬🇧🇬🇧
Wait a moment. What is in the privacy notice of saaga city? They would need consent to share with tv licencing. Something is fishy here
People who sign up for iplayer consent in the ts and cs, there is nothing fishy. When you apply you give them permission and very few people ever bother to anonymise the info BBC receives not that that would do much good anyway. The BBC/TVL/Capita have the contract with Sagacity and not the people who cancel their licence with an email address and then use the same email to sign up for a service they can't legally watch.
@@Holycurative9610 all sources of personal data must have a legal basis. Just iplayer terms are not enough. All sources of data must have a legal basis.
Invite yourself to your neighbours for a cup tea, then ask to jump on their WiFi quickly .... Job Done 😅😅😅
Look if when i watch TV very rare am alone always working in my garage, it's not my fault if when it's on if i go through the channels and accidently get the wrong station ,BBC stop your signal and everyone can watch what left 😅
Watching/receiving any TV broadcast requires a TV licence regardless of whether it's BBC or not.
It does sound like what you are doing is illegal if you have cancelled your license. You need a license to watch any broadcast TV. Best thing to do is get rid of your ariel and Satellite dish to be sure you are not breaking the law.
No because Saga city would have a IP address with the email address that you logged into. But that doesn't necessarily mean that your using it at that address. You could be using it at a friend's house that has BBC I player. They would still have to know that IP address and only your broadband provider would know for certain it is yours. Your broadband provider would not give that information out. It has to be 100% prof to prosacute you.
Your broadband provider is legally obligated to provide data for law enforcement activities. As to 100% proof - that's not true, the legal test is "beyond reasonable doubt"
It's becoming more and more obvious there is an incredible waste of money everywhere. Not just the BBC!
I refused to pay for a licence after they refused to mail me one.
Capita run TV licence..
But TVL is a BBC brand.
What about hiding your IP address too?
The majority of people wouldnt have a clue how to do that or even know it can be done
VPN does that for you...
@@DefCon12345 exactly. Anybody that is watching this vid knows how to do it.
BBC iPlayer is needed to listen to some bbc radio programmes and there has been no radio licence for decades.
I cancelled my TV licence about four months ago and, apart from a single letter asking me to contact them if my situation changes, they seem to be okay about it.
When I cancelled, I was expecting a barrage of correspondence but it just hasn't happened....so far.
You'll have around 2 years grace, and then it'll start!
BBC needs to be licence free.
No no I watch Prime Netflix TH-cam more 4 my 5 ❤ TH-cam is best ❤
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I finally got my old mum to cancel hers, and she was a year in front too, now she's jumping through hoops to get it back.
Slightly straying from your normal adherence to abiding by the law here. "If you fancy watching a bit of iPlayer… (here I was expecting you to say."you need to get a TV licence first") … change your email address!" Nooooo! You have my respect as an honest and upright man. Please don't change that!
After all, there is a legal way to do it: find someone who also wants to watch the same programmes on their licence, and get them to invite you over. Then you can peer over their shoulder while they are watching it!
Its like parking tickets on supermarket car parks. Ive never paid 1 and had loads of tickets
I got an email saying this about BBC iplayer. My daughter was watching Dr who. I didn't realise and ended up paying for a new TV licence.
I'm ashamed to say, I had a TV licence for 20 years and in that time I accessed Iplayer a few times, iirc before you even needed an email address. There was one thing on it worth watching. I didn't bother going back and shortly after canceled my licence. I don't miss it and barely think about the BBC unless I see a news story about it or a ChiliJonCarne video 😆
Did you really not think that is what they would do ?
No. Now they have admitted it. Very different things
Brill 😊
So The BBC and Capita do cross-reference iPlayer access logs with the TV licence database. I knew it! They do have access to both those things, so that didn't surprise me. I always say they're not stupid. If you're using iPlayer but don't have a licence, you're going to be in trouble. I deleted my iPlayer account as soon as I became licence-free. Not worth the risk.
Would never hold up in court. You could be accessing it at a friend's house. They need to prove your guilt. You don't prove your innocence
@@MikeEves If they cross-reference your iPlayer logins with the TV licence database and IP addresses, you're f**ked in court with the amount of data they've collected from you.
Guess what, BBC Two aired a Dave programme. They aren't even trying to hide it anymore.
Probably a step up in quality for the BBC.
I'd say... 1992 since I watched bbc
Im sure there's a GPDR law being broken there and its more than one
They'll likely have clauses in their privacy policy and terms and conditions, whereby using their services allows them to share data with third-party services / partners. I had to put together a privacy policy and T&C for a financial services company a few years back and we had to incorporate that in on a just-in case basis. I'd be very surprised if they aren't watertight there.
Jon explains how it works! It's the matching of the email address associated with the declaration of non use and the one associated with the BBC account used to access iPlayer. Much easier for them to do than faffing with IPs, especially in a time of VPN usage and them having to involve ISPs.
You are not looking into the abyss, it’s looking into you.
A cookie is nought but a sweety from Myra Hindly’s bag.
There was an ample sufficiency of propaganda on there years ago. To host adverts would only make their dross look even worse.
Great info ❤👍
Miss use of data if they link the email to an address or name without consent
You’re ok chilli John, keep trucking.
Nothing worth watching on BBC anyway. Legally licence free for over 3yrs now.
I’ve never had that email… when i cancelled my license I actually got a £50 rebate…👍👍
But the thing is if you have an BBC I player Account with your Email registered with it, what prof have they that your watching it at your address. You could be watching it in someone else's house that has a TV Licence. If that's the case they would have to prove that thr IP address is linked to your home address. Your broadband provider would not give out IP addresses to the BBC or TV Licence.
they word the email cleverly. You have told us you don't need a licence at X address. Our records show that you’ve recently used BBC iPlayer. The two things don't necessarily go together but they let fear or guilty consciences join the dots.