Problem! 2022 Mitsubishi Outlander - Engineer's Evaluation
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- This is an Engineer's Evaluation of the 2022 Mitsubishi Outlander (SE Model with Tech Package). I provide my opinion of good, bad vehicle characteristics and Identify problems of concern, via vehicle inspection and vehicle test drive from the perspective of an Automotive Engineer Professional.
Title is misleading, overall the review was quite positive.
I think the title is very accurate considering I accurately describe the concern with the hood flutter that needs to be addressed. Other than a couple of small concerns, it's a great vehicle...
Thank you very much for your thoughtful and experienced review. Such a perspective is lacking when considering a purchase of a model that is not yet as popular as other models. Much appreciated!
Great review . I’m thinking of buying this 2022 outlander in Canada. Thanks for sharing. Happy New Year.I’m supporting your channel👍
Thank you! Happy New Year!
I agree with everything here especially the hood flutter! I currently have a 2022 Outlander SEL
It's still an awesome vehicle! Even with the couple of minor concerns....
Very nice review done by a professional that is not common in this TH-cam industry. If you decide to do more car evaluations I would definitely watch them with pleasure. Subscribed. Thank you!
Thanks, I will consider doing other vehicles if I can obtain them.
Great style of evaluating! Keep them coming. Very useful!
Thanks, will do!
Perfect. I am in the market and I absolutely adored my Montero Sport. It's between this new crossover or the Grand Cheerokee. Detailed and thorough!
One of the best car reviews I've ever seen. Thank you.
Wow, thanks, John!
thanks for your review, am thinking of buying one soon
It’s pretty exceptional and have to admit I love my SEL Launch Edition ,by far.
Glad I could help
Good news, my 2022 Outland had no loose rear hatch molding. I fixed the hood flutter by adjusting the left and right hood rests in the front of the hood. I just turned the rests to point the arrow on them to the windshield, about half a turn.
Glad to hear it, Russell... I would suspect though, the hood latch adjustment would be the correct fix - you could easily tell by looking at the hood gap from the side. If the gap in the front is more than the rear of the hood, then the hood latch is out of adjustment. If the gap is consistent from front to rear, then adjusting the hood stops would be the correct fix...
Living in the north country I understand where you are with MI-PILOT Assist, barely any of our roads besides the main ones are marked. I completely agree on the power too. Very SOLID review here!
Thank you, Alex and Happy Holidays!
agreed with the hood. Update on the hood. Took my Outlander to the dealer and they fixed the problem. They adjusted the latch and now it's all good.
Yep.
@@millerhighlights8465 The dealer fixed the problem by adjusting the latch.
I took my Outlander to the dealer to address the hood flutter - basically a hood adjustment. No improvement in the condition. Second level fix for this issue is a replaced and redesigned hood - note that this is not a recall or campaign, this would be under the category of a "field fix." Meaning, if the customer complains, they will go through two phases to address it - hood adjustment, or hood replacement if the adjustment does not fix it. I could see this becoming a campaign if there become any accidents due to this condition (If reported through NHTSA), and I'm sure there will be a production change to address the hood flutter in the future - it would make sense due to the excessive cost for hood replacements for current models. My next step is to have he hood replaced, then I'll report back with a video and evaluation of the fix. Also, through my personal further investigation, it appears it could possibly be the hood latch location being too far back on this model design, causing the hood to dip and flutter at the front of the hood - thus causing the entire hood to flutter. What appears to be a latch at the front of the hood is actually a safety hood catch, the actual latch is several inches behind the safety catch. Normally hood latches and the safety catch are both at the very front of the hood, but this design has them separated...
Your review is amazing. I have had an 07 and bought a 2016 new. That is what I drive now and have never had it in a shop except for PMs. 73,000 miles. I think that is amazing. I bought the extended warranty so, I have 27,000 miles left on the bumper to bumper. I would sure like this new one but, I will wait. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for your feedback!
Great review. We have the exact same color SE model without the tech package and we love it! Let me share a few thoughts about what we don’t like about it. First, I think you were generous with your hood rating. There were three different TSBs. It amounted to adjustments to the latch, then a weather strip on the front under the hood and lastly weather strips on both sides under the hood. It’s finally about 75% better. I can live with it now assuming that the flutter that’s left doesn’t impact the integrity of the hood over time. Next, the drive mode always defaults back to normal. We switch it to eco every time we start the car. I wish it would stay in eco. Along that same line, when you turn on the or off the cruise system, it changes the screen on the gauges away from the mpg screen that we like and you have to scroll through the screens to find the one we want every time. Again, stop changing things and leave them where we want them. Next, we feel like the cup holders for the front are in weird spots being so far back and below the center console lid. Cups are harder to reach. Lastly, we were told it has remote start and a garage door opener. While these are both true, they must be accessed through a phone app or app on the infotainment screen. You sign up with a free trial to access these features, when once the trial period ends, you have to pay to monthly to be able to use your cars features. I wish there were old school easy buttons on the mirror for the garage and the key fob for the remote start. None of these would have kept us from buying it, just little oddities that I wished were different. Oh, you’re right about the fake leather, and it is a fabric insert on the seats and not suede. We like the upholstery really well, but we do wonder about it’s longevity and how it will fold up.
Nice feedback. Some of the concerns you mention would not be in a technical evaluation because they are subjective to each driver - yet that feedback is important for design purposes. A technical evaluation would generally be based on currently designed characteristics in terms of quality, durability, and operation. Subjective concerns would be customer feedback and considered in future design phases. So your points are valid for consideration for design change recommendations. I do agree with you about the remote start and garage door opener app - I also feel they should have been incorporated into the vehicles design, as well as on the app - the app has some good features too. Thanks for your comments and should provide your comments to Mitsubishi Motors - they do hear you, even if you think they don't...
Unfortunately I think the only option we have is an aftermarket car starter unless Mitsubishi does it for extra $$
Losing all the settings the way I like them is so annoying on the previous generation Outlander PHEV that we have. I was hoping that would be corrected for this generation. Now it’s even worse because the old model has physical garage door buttons to use for free. Hate to hear it’s on the digital screen and with a subscription!
@@DixieDawg71, Don’t let these oddities keep you from considering a new Outlander. It’s still the best bang for the buck that’s available. I’m told they are replacing the fluttering hoods. Problem is if the paint will match and be of factory quality.
@@insidedadshead9691 hood issue is fixed on all the incoming ones now, the remote start feature will always be free its just the premium features. You can add it to your keyfob for about $350
We have a 2022 and have put 55,xxx miles on it. No problems at all. Only money spent was to replace tires at 49,000 and I probably could have gotten another 5,000 out of those. Mitsubishi has addressed the hood issue by replacing it with a heavier hood. If you are taking a long trip and set the cruise at around 77 mph you’ll average 37/38 mpg. Driving it around town and taking the kids to school we average 28/29 mpg. I never thought I would consider a Mitsubishi but my wife really liked it and it has a very small third row, that was a selling point to her for the few times we would need it. Very satisfied and would recommend to anyone. One of the best warranties in the industry
I think the Acceleration is plenty to me it feels like it has has a 6 cylinder in it I just picked one up yesterday it's got 20 miles on it The only thing I don't like about it is the third row seat but If I wanted to haul 7 people around I would just buy myself A expedition But look at the price deference I think mitsubishi did a amazing job on this vehicle It's amazing how they get all of that tech inside the vehicle at the price they're listing them at
From a dead stop, the acceleration is a little lacking. However, it's kind of like driving a two-stroke motorcycle, once you get off the line and it starts breathing - it has plenty of power. This is also partially to the well tuned ECT that utilizes the engine power band perfectly. I've gone up steep grades with four passengers, and it went up it no problem passing other cars at 70 plus MPH speeds... I think everyone can agree though, the 3rd seat is about useless - unless it's 2 adults up front, 4 small kids in the back and the middle seats pulled forward to allow foot room for the 3rd seat... I never have, and probably never will have a reason to use it, so I just keep it down for the extra space. If you think of it as a 5 seat vehicle, it's an awesome vehicle.
Good overall evaluation, the outlander is a great looking vehicle inside and out. There is a phev outlander coming soon and is already being tested in Japan. It should address all the acceleration concerns. This outlander more than likely needs a simpe ecu tune.
Mitsubishi don't tune their ecu as good as mazda and toyota. But the potential is there. Mitsubishi engines are well built as well as Nissan.
Yep, all new vehicles require fine tuning after the first release in production. I think they can resolve their off-start engine performance with a simple ecu/tcm tuning. I know a lot of consumers are looking for turbo charging (or etc.), but the power band and torque curve may not be suited for this class of vehicle with turbo. Personally, I have no issues with this engine or programming, it is more than sufficient for my needs and the class of this vehicle.
Thanks for the great review. Very informative and we’re picking up our outlander next week.
Let us know how you like it and it there are any issues?
thanks for your video, i am waiting the phev this spring in Canada to test it. big thanks for your comment about power, i mean everyday drive its more than enough and to cruise smoothly, i don't get why everybody focus on power even when its not needed in that type of car. About powertrain, i know Nissan had cvt issues, but i heard they improved them a lot in the new generation, a lot of people keep talking about cvt without the facts and stick to it, same as the people who still think Hyundai and Kiai have their 2000's quality issues lol. Something i really liked about your comments, i have a young family, you talked about safety and braking, most of the car reviews dont mention this when they compare the outlander with another brand, its super important for families when they want to buy a new car, i want my family to be in the safest car which make a huge difference when shopping for one and specially to convince my wife hahaha.
Great comments - thanks for watching and glad you got some good info from the evaluation...
Great review ,,,would like too see under the hood,,is it DI and Port OT just GDI??? Is it easy DIY??
Thanks ,top review hope to buy one
Glad I could help!
Subscribing on the basis of your claimed credentials and approach. So rare to have an actual time served and qualified expert out there.
Thanks for subscribing, LANDL... I hope to be doing more videos in the near future after things let up a bit. And Yes, my credentials are real. I have always believed in the honest and straight up approach to educating.
I bought one in December, it already has 7,000 miles and I agree with you on everything, it has made a good rating, true, the hood is worrying. Other than that I am very happy with it, it is very fun and comfortable to drive, thank you.
Thanks for your feedback - glad you like the vehicle too... :)
Great job definatly help me.
Awesome, thank you!
Thanks, Miller. Nice review.
My pleasure! Thanks for watching....
This is a most practical review seen so far. I am in Australia , and planning to buy this one (Outlander Exceed AWD) as family and as a car to be taken for long drives to country side or something like snowy mountains etc. Is it a good option ?
It's a good option if you are "not" doing true off-roading. It can handle any situation on the road, snow, mud, rain, etc. But when ground clearance and the need for independent suspension is needed, this vehicle would be lacking. Additionally, it has "Mag" wheels, which are not designed for true off road. But for normal driving on roads, or maintained dirt roads, it's an awesome vehicle...
Very nice evaluation.
Thanks!
I bought the 2023 Outlander SE in May (2023) and have had problems with the infotainment center and the dealership since day 1. I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy.
you are top notch i will be watching you.all the reviews though for mits are bad but my 3 were great i have a madza now but want a new mits!
Why Thanks, Tony, I appreciate the comment!
Very professional. I was frightened by the title Problem!... we are thinking about buying one. No BS or cute talk.
Thank You! Yep, I tell it how it is, no BS or Flowery talk lol...
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didn't expect a reply but glad you caught it. I sent video to daughter, she's the one with the $$. We looked at Equinox but these microchips not available..really?..that was new to me and we pay cash. ...just read they went from 29k to 40!.. seems to me if ya ain't selling anything ( C19) you would do what you could to help buyer. And electric cars replacing completely auto market...? When is that. "dream"..) supposed to happen?
@@nonzerosum8943 Actually, the MSRP is the same - sounds like the dealer is kicking up the price due to high demand of new cars in the new car market.
Gee, I like that Pilot assist!
I've got an older Outlander (VRX 3.0ltr Mivec) ZG MY09.
With 244k, no problems, YET! lol
I enjoyed your video much.👍
from Australia
Great job 👏 l will keep my 2019 outlander. But they were going to give me exact money l spent on the 2019 outlander
Thanks...
Here in New Zealand I've just ordered a Outlander PHEV, due for delivery in April 2022 from Japan. It'll be interesting to see if they've addressed the bonnet (hood) flutter issue. What would you recommend I do if they haven't?
I'm willing to bet they made a production change to address the concern - the Japanese are really on top of addressing customer concerns quickly... If not, I'm sure they will properly address your concern with a proper fix.
I'm pretty sure the PHEV version for 22 is still the old model. 2023 will be the first PHEV outlander with the new Nissan chassis.
@@danmac6185 NZ and Australia were the first to get the "New Generation" Outlander. Currently, a 4 month wait. My PHEV is due in late June.
@@shirleybest6230 I guess I was lucky then - did a test-drive on April 2nd, loved the car, placed the order on the spot and picked my new Diamond Red PHEV on April 23rd. One disappointment was the demonstrator model (VRX) - the panoramic sunroof takes away almost 2 inches of headspace. I had to sit in a base model petrol-only on the lot to make sure I'd fit in one properly. Unfortunately, they didn't let me drive that one...
Thanks
Welcome
Hi, I really enjoyed your professional review, was wondering if they fixed the hood flutter on the 2023 model, i'm living in South Africa and Im seriously considering buying one after watching your video.
Hood flutter factory fixed - not a problem anymore...
I started leadi g my 2022 Outlander PHEV 13.8kWh in Sept 2021. Generation 3.
This body style looks like the 2023 that is sold in Canada.
Just stsrting watching this video. What size Battery is this one?
Thank you for a great eval
Thanks!
I've been eying the Outlander PHEV in this new body style, seems to be coming 2nd 1/2 of 2022.
Yeah, PHEV should be a good vehicle - but I prefer gas engines myself. I think it will take a few more years for the infrastructure to support EV Vehicles, and Battery disposal technology is just not there yet at an affordable cost. I also question the life of EV Vehicles considering that hydrogen technology is on the horizon with a better carbon foot print.
@@millerhighlights8465 Same here, I've never owned any electric or hybrid vehicle but if I were to get one the Outlander would be it.
I would definitely get the PHEV. We would never need gas except for a couple trips a year.
Nice review greetings from Austria!
Hey, thanks!
I have the 2023 and it's a great car and style. Mine is the same as yours and I noticed at 7:28 where the bumper meets the quarter panel there is a slight gap and you can see the tabs. It's not bad but if the light hits it right you can see them such as at 7:31 mark on your car.
If it's not right on the fit, take it to your selling dealer, I'm sure they'll be pretty good in addressing your concern. Address it now before you get too many miles on the car... Thanks for your comments and enjoy your Outlander - I love mine. My only complaint as an automotive professional is that there are no repair manuals available for sale for this vehicle, which I think is absolute BS... However, it seems to be a common trend with Auto Manufacturers!
Good review , I've been looking at these Outlanders. I'll be in the market for a new or newer vehicle next year possibly. I was also wondering about 181hp but also new it wouldn't be as bad as people were saying. It gets the job done. Good to know. If you want to go 0 to 60 in 3 seconds get a SRT trackhawk or equivalent.. $$$ though.
This class of vehicle is more for luxury and not performance - and it meets this expectation very well. Negative reviews are not realistic in their comparison. If I was reviewing this vehicle as a sports car model class, then my review would have been different - but that's not this class of vehicle and it's an awesome vehicle in its model class and price range. I've had not complaints with this vehicle - except that I cannot purchase a repair manual for this vehicle to do my own repairs and diagnosis, but that's an industry trend that is now followed by all manufacturers and is as wrong as the rest of the crazy stuff going on in politics and business around the world...
Love the review, I consider myself a car guy and we decided to replace my wife’s car with a 2022 Outlander SE AWD in cosmic blue. The color is absolutely fantastic and the interior blew me away. Mitsubishi had been laughed at for a while now; but this vehicle in its class, with the price point, features and warranty shocked me.
My buddy has a top of the line RAV4 and although it is really nice we found the Outlander to be a much better vehicle. The Mits felt more solid, rode better, much nicer interior and a lot more features. The Outlander was also a ton nicer than the CRV and the drivability of that to me was crap. I am a fan of the CVT, I think it’s nice and no complaints and pairs well with the engine. My grandfather has driven a Nissan Murano since the early 2000s and he has never had an issue with his. I agree with people complaining about the acceleration is ridiculous. This isn’t a sports car and when you drive it around town it’s more than adequate and we have no complaints.
The hood flutter is an issue but I think it will be fixed. It’s the largest in its size and we are averaging about 32-33 mpg with AWD which is very impressive. I think the biggest issue people and car reviewers have is that they are afraid to say, “dang Mitsubishi actually makes a better CUV than Toyota, Honda, GM, Kia/Hyundai and Ford”. They’ve been not good for so long it’s hard to say that but when you compare how it’s loaded with features, best in the industry warranty, fit and finish, beautiful interior and how it drives and has the quiteness of a luxury vehicle $20k more than what it costs, it’s easy to say that this was a car Mitsubishi absolutely knocked out of the park. This car is very comfortable and I love the seats, I’m about 6’5” 225 and I do wish the seats were a little wider, but it’s also not a Tahoe and overall I know seats aren’t built for folks like me. I still find it to be very comfortable and my wife is 6’ and she loves the seats but absolutely LOVES the car.
I hope long term it holds up and is reliable because it’s a very nice car and the amount of tech and features it comes with for $32k is phenomenal. I hope Mitsubishi is back and time will tell with this car but my initial impressions are extremely good. Well done Mitsubishi and this car needs more attention because it is seriously top in its class.
Nice Comments and Review, David - Thanks!
Cmon....lol ..comparing with murano
@@millerhighlights8465 I would compare our 2 Santa Fe SEL models to the Mitsu for overall quality and safety features. Basically all the same safety features with a super smooth 8 spd auto trans.
Thank you David i have just ordered my wife the 2023 outlander exceed and you have made me very confident with my choice the car drives well and is exceptionally comfortable, we can't wait to pick it up!!
We have a 2002 Mitsubishi Montero Limited 4x4 that my parents purchased brand new back in 2002 and we still have it today, looks new with 232,000. Everything except sunroof works. Abs system went out around 150,000 miles but I bought one from eBay. Mitsu makes great products! The new 2022 Outlander was a lease possibility back in feb 2022 for me however, the closest Mitsu dealer is 50miles outside of LA which is not practical for service needs if things were to go bad, the hood issue was around since I’m a car guy I made sure I knew everything about it. It’s not nice when a manufacturer makes a beautiful product with an issue like the hood, I know Mitsu tests these cars..how man so many outlanders be effected by it and they never noticed it with there test car? I don’t like how it takes a long time for a remedy with auto manufacturers. The outlander drive was great, awd was a must along with tons of space and tech for me, the main reason why I leased a 22 Mazda CX-5 signature was because the outlander was too slow for me, it’s a big body but underpowered, #2 hood issue TSB and #3 dealer was 50miles away and #4 ILL NEVER OWN A CVT TRANS..NEVER! I hope the 2023 outlander is improved because I see the phev model coming out soon.
I have a new hood ordered for my vehicle, which will have to be sent out to be painted. The hood is "not" under a recall, but a field fix and production change has been made to address the concern. Hood replacement is the second level repair is the hood adjustment has no effect. My hood was adjusted at the dealer and no change in the condition. A new hood was ordered for my vehicle, and will take about 3 days at the body shop to replace and paint to match the vehicle. I will report with a video update after the repair is performed - could take 3 - 4 months to get the hood.
I ordered this car. I'm looking forward to it now. I have a question in my mind waiting for an answer. I would be glad if you help me. In plug-in technology, for example, if I charge every day, can I go enough km without getting any gas? (100km estimated).
Thanks
So, you ordered the PHEV model, mine is all gas. So I couldn't speak for the EV side of the model - but I can say to most cars that use gas are engineered to go at least 250 miles on a tank (guessing probably closer to 300 miles?)
I wonder if that hood flutter you have is just on that hood I was looking at mine and I was not getting any type of Movement from it
I'm sure they made a production change to address the hood flutter. The dealer already ordered a new field fix hood for the concern - field fixes are always a pre-design for a production change after the field fix is determined to be effective. I'm willing to bet that your vehicle has the production change to address the hood flutter.
Fixed my Hood Issue in 20 minutes!
Yeah, I could too if I wanted to. I'm sure half of the fix is adjusting the hood latch and hood stops. I could probably shoot some silicone up in the upper hood panel too, and it should disappear - but I'll let the dealer tinker with it when I take it in for the first free service. If I'm not satisfied with their fix, I'll fix it myself then... What was your fix?
If you have to do the fix yourself, can you post it on YT, please? I have just bought one, and I am receiving it around June. I hope they have it sorted out already, but if they don't I would like to see how it's fixed, in case the dealership fails to fix it for me.
Thanks for the great review!
@@rjanuari1978 I'm sure that a hood latch adjustment would take care of about 80% of the issue, the other 20% would require improved weather stripping. But the real fix would require a production change to the hood design. I haven't fixed mine personally yet, because I want to wait until I take my car in for it's first service and see what the dealer does to fix it - I'll post a video on their fix and give my evaluation on it...
@@millerhighlights8465 Thanks for the reply. Since I am still waiting until June to get mine, I hope the issue is sorted out by then.
Excellent and objective review! How does it compare to the 2021 Sorento 4 cyl 191 horsepower?
I haven't driven the Sorento, but it looked like a good vehicle. It's 10 hp more than the Outlander. I've driven earlier model Sorentos and thought they were pretty good vehicles - I thought the seats at the time were a little uncomfortable. But couldn't give you a good answer on the 2021 model.
I believe the sorento has a worse 0-60 compared 2 the outlander
@@millerhighlights8465 the 2021 Sorento have huge problems with their tranm8ssions
@@camillebehar395 That's good to know. From experience though, it's typically driver/owner induced. I use to investigate a lot of trans failures in the field when I was an engineer. But saying that, I have no experience with the new Sorento, or Kia in general... However, I was never impressed with their products in general - I use to see all types of issues with them in terms of general failures and general quality control concerns... Hyundai was a little better, but wouldn't want to own one...
I heard this shares the same CVT as Nissan , and Nissan's CVT are well known for failures. Can you comment if they have fixed this CVT issue? Thanks,
Yeah, Nissan had some problems with earlier CVT's, but so did all manufacturers. It really wasn't so much of bad quality, but customer use (also abuse) and poor ECU programming for shift timing. The quality of newer CVT's are much better and more reliable - and the programming is light years better from what it use to be. Saying that, only time will tell - but I feel confident of a good product...
Can't wait to get mines!!!
It's a very nice vehicle.
Hello Miller, I would like to know how good the transmission and engine of this SUV are? thanks
Performance is great, and it's a well tested trans - but only time will tell on longevity.
Well done on your evaluation! Title almost made me roll my eyes as somebody who owns the SEL Launch Edition and yet you are spot on.
Like that you took the time to explain ratings are really went over the cars exterior and interior. Also, thanks for your insights on power/power train. Well done. And yeah. Watched all 45mins my friends.
Keep it up!
Thanks, Terrance! It's meant to be a straight up and honest evaluation...
The hood flutter is fixable. I cured mine with a tiny application of spray foam. Yes, really, gone with a tiny bit in the center of the "flex".
Great reviews 👌
Thanks! Glad you liked it...
got mine yesterday. 6 miles when I drove it off the lot. after I made my first drive home it was smoking . like where the exhaust manifold is. didn't smell like oil and was a white clear smoke. car drives well and sounds healthy . is this normal ? first brand new car and it didn't do it after
That is actually normal, when shipped in the container ships, they are sprayed with an anti- corrosion coating that will commonly smoke from the exhaust areas for a few miles after purchase. If continues though, I would take it back in to be looked at.
@@millerhighlights8465 Thankyou for the quik response. I was a little stressed out honestly. No smoke today. I was driving thinking about that at work . Had a short day today and thats rare in trucking
very detailed description
Glad you liked it!
I have the SEL Touring and the second day owning it I noticed it. It’s no big deal to me.
I normally always buy either the base model or mid grades when I buy cars. I am now 50 years old and I said to myself, why! So I told the sales guy I wanted to buy the top trim. The SEL Touring is bad ass!!!
(I only buy 4 cylinder vehicles so the engine isn’t a big deal for me. So I have no issue with the so called slow ‘pick up’.)
I really didn't want the SEL package. However, I did want the HUD display - but wasn't available in stock for my vehicle, but I still love the vehicle... Acceleration is not a big deal for me, and the acceleration is great for this class of vehicle anyhow... As far as the hood, it's now a big deal for me, but I'm going to have the dealer replace the hood - which is the 2nd level of repair or this condition. That is, provided it comes factory painted - I will not let them replace it if it has to be sent out locally to be matched and painted. The fact that they have a replacement field fix hood tells me that they already made a production change to address this issue.
I’m on the fence about buying the phev when it comes available…. Overall what I’ve seen and read impresses. I’m assuming that the phev will resolve any issues about lack of acceleration. The one thing that’s bugging me despite the quality of the fit and finish is the buckling/ puckering of the (p)leather lateral seat supports. I’ve always had leather seats and have never seen this effect?
I had not seen that on my vehicle, but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist on other vehicles. In a port evaluation we would have looked at and tested many vehicles and then would have rated the severity of the concern over the sample evaluated. I would say that if you pick a vehicle with good stitching, you are not going to have any further concerns with it. Yes, acceleration is always going to be better on an EV or Hybrid - but I'm not a big fan of the EV trend due to lack of infrastructure to support the program, and the long-term carbon footprint of hazards from waste disposal of the batteries. I think we will see hydrogen technology trends in the near future which is much cleaner and much less carbon footprint on the environment. Saying that, I felt the acceleration of the gas engine (Naturally Aspirated for you word geeks out there...), is more than sufficient for this class of vehicle - it's intended as a family model, not a sports model...
The hood is so heavy and solid I really don’t worry about it
I'm not too worried about it either, but it is a poor design functionally.
I would lean toward a Highlander due to Its excellent reputation for long term reliability and Hybrid system with over 35 mpg. The rear seat is slightly more accessible as well. They also hold their value. My biggest concern is Nissan. Sure the prior Mitsubishi was getting long in tooth, but had a pretty good rep for holding up. Nissan has been having issues for a while now. Its very slick and impressive. We will see.
keep in mind the Highlander is a family sized SUV while the Outlander is a Compact SUV with a 3rd row; two different class of vehicles. Better to compare the RAV4 against the Outlander than the Highlander. Another note, although Toyota has a solid reliability history, their powertrain warranty is industry standard 6 yrs while Mitsubishi is 10 yrs (make what you will of it). Last thing; JATCO CVT is on it's 3rd gen and Nissan has made improvements on the transmission; but I'm skeptic about how long these will last (according to Consumer Report's Nissan in the Top 10 for most reliable auto company so they may be already better now than 6 or 7 years ago and we're still stuck to that brand from yesteryear).
@@kevanminusthek218 you’ll need that warranty, I think that’s the difference. Plus I know my 15 Scion will easily go 250 to 300k with minor repairs. 100k is some low miles.
Just because the warranty is 100k doesn't mean it won't last 300k miles...
@@millerhighlights8465 Toyota has a much stronger reputation for vehicles having over 250k miles than Mitsubishi.
@@djkenny1202 Please...! You are talking to a previous Toyota Master Technician. Toyota has plenty of issues, their quality control programs just recognize concerns quicker and make production changes a little quicker. Yes, Toyota is a good product (nobody said it wasn't...), but Nissan invokes the exact same quality control measures that Toyota does. If you are a Toyota Gear-head, that's understood - but in reality, Toyota is no better than the competition.
I'd give that tool chest a 4.0 (since that's the highest numeral in this man's rating system parameters) with how well it endured setting up sites. There's only a few shelf faces that breached and collected a bit of lead inside.
Given how tough his ratings are, I'd say 2.5 on the fluttering hood was generous. Waaay generous.
I wonder if that hood is aluminum?
I noticed some brands are actually now using a pair of left and right hood catches. Forget which brand I just saw this on. Makes sense if using aluminum hoods.
Man that Outlander is quiet inside. Well done Mitsubishi.
Cars would last forever where you live..no salt and incessant car-killing corrosion around there. Looks like mosquitoes and lawnmowers are rare too 👍
Yes, 2.5 was generous, but in the manufacturing world, that's what it would have rated as. If the latch was coming loose, it would have been a 1 or 2 which would have been a "stop sale" in production, but it didn't so it was a 2.5... The problem, which they have since fixed in production, was the location of the hood latch assembly was too far back from the front of the hood and when hitting bumps or choppy surfaces it would bounce the front of the hood causing the entire hood to flutter. With the new hood installed and painted to match, the concern has diminished 100%. With the production change to the hood assembly (added reinforcement), I have not heard of any complaints on this concern. As far as the toolbox, it has endured a lot!!! lol Thanks for your comment and happy new year...
@@jackmiller8227 Yes, Happy New Year, Jack.
Glad to hear they fixed you up. I'm hoping to get a 2024. Was hoping for a more base trim than yours but seems hard to come by in Canada.
you should do all or at least more car evaluations ,much more helpful than all those reviews, very nice job...
Thanks, I've been thinking about doing more auto reviews, but have been swamped with community projects. I'll see what I can do. Thanks for the compliment...
Question how would you compare this to a Santa Fe? If you have reviewed a 2022 Santa Fe. ?
I'm not a big fan of Kia and Hyundai vehicles (same company). I have not driven the 2022 models - so perhaps improved...? In the past, seats uncomfortable, drive-ability and durability issues. Perhaps they have improved on these traits, but still not a big fan of their vehicles. The Outlander has many great features, durability, great warranty, and they stand by their work if there are any concerns.
@@millerhighlights8465 thank you so much for your reply. I have a Santa Fe I do love it very dependable 2019 ,but I kinda want a different style they have not changed their style much and I am big in warranties. Thank you I think i am convinced now I am going to search for one. Thank you again
2022 se model i have problems with leaks near the rear differential 38k miles
I was wondering how your experience has been with the cvt transmission on low speed on deceleration and on acceleration
I've had no issues at all with the CVT trans, decelerates very well, acceleration and low speed all perform excellent. No complaints at all with it's performance.
@@millerhighlights8465 I ask because when im at slow speed deceleration at around 25-20 theres a kickback or jerk from the transmission, i hope its a software issue rather than a mechanical one mine has been doing this since i drove it of the lot it has 480 miles thought it would go away after break in but only happens when feathering the throttle
Is normal my honda cvt does the same is the belt asjusting the ratios @@jcues03
Hello sir. Nice to see another Californian.
My main question, will buying this vehicle while living nearly 2.5 hours closest to the dealership be okay?
Example, I love in the valley, Sacramento but the closest one with the AWD system is in Bay area, San Jose.
Just the thought make me wonder. Nissan sound nice because they own Mitsubishi or shared. However their warranty aren't the same. I mean, I could go with another manufacturer like Honda or Toyota and even the Kia/Hyundai 10 years warranty near us but I want to try something different.
I am a diy mechanic. And if this won't break down on me after the 10 years, I be happy to work on this vehicle. And that is the reason why I choose Mitsubishi, their easier to work on vehicle. Toyota and Honda seem to fade away from that, just because they live off the "Reliability", doesn't mean they are with their current vehicle. Already heard many wrong with some of the models.
Thank you for this knowledge and input. Make me really itching to spend my money on Mitsubishi and don't mind the 2-3 hours drive for services unless I find a shop here uses the Mitsubishi OEM parts.
Hi DS, I have a local dealer that I don't care for, so I drive 1.5 hours to the one I like, they treat me awesome! You are going to always have minor issues no matter what brand or model you choose. Their support is great, they always take care of my needs, and the vehicle has been trouble free with the exception of the hood flutter - but they are stepping up and replacing the hood assembly. I think it's a great vehicle - but don't get it because of a 3rd seat use, other vehicles are probably more useful for 3rd seat. Personally, I never have a need for the 3rd seat and just keep it down for extra trunk space - not an issue for me. But it is a great vehicle with a great warranty, great support, and a great price point by comparison. Hope that helps. I use to work for one of the popular car brands (National HQ) that everyone seems to think is trouble free. Although they are a great company and produce a great product, their product is not really that much more trouble free than any other - some companies are just quicker and identifying and fixing product concerns and that makes them appear more reliable than other brands. In reality, behind that scene, there are usually a mountain of customer vehicle concerns they are addressing to resolve before the public sees it on their end...
which has better AWD system "Sorento AWD system or S-AWD system is better
They are both going to be pretty close and similar in performance. Remember, crossover suv's are not designed for serious off-roading - more for general weather safety conditions. As far as safety aspect of performance, I would probably give the edge to S-AWD.
HOOD FLUTTER WAS A RECALL, AND I TOOK MY OUTLANDER TO DEALERSHIP AND THEM FIX THE PROBLEM...MY IS A 2022 SE WITH TECH PACKAGE, SAME YOU SHOWING AND I GET SAME DEALERSHIP OF VICTORVILLE CA...
It was probably a "field fix" because "recalls" are sent with a letter to the owner - and I had never seen a letter. A field fix is when you complain about it, then they will apply the fix - but many times field fixes turn into recalls if at high enough volumes of complaints. Do you know what they did as the fix, and how the result of the fix is? Yeah, Victorville is a good dealership - no complaints here with them...
When I get mine in for service, and have my hood fix done, I'll do a video on the result and quality of the fix.
@@millerhighlights8465 I took delivery in Nov. 2021. The dealer finally has mine in for the replacement. Should have it in a day or so. They had to order over 50 hoods, so it took a while, as they have to actually paint them at the dealership.
it should make more power, the rogue goes with the same engine as in the 22 outlander. And front ventilated cooled seats would be a killer deal!
Power is fine - it's not a sports car...
@@millerhighlights8465 i test drove it multiple times, with a tiny engine like that, making it underpowered would be bad for the engine in the long run. But making it overpowered with a high intake turbo would wear it out faster too. So they should balance it at a sweet spot.
Thank you for this technical review of the Outlander! We're deciding to get one before the end of the year (2023 SE Black Edition) and your review gave us more insight with this. Hopefully the latest batch won't have the hood flutter even tho Mitsubishi will replace the hood. Good luck and wish you do more in depth reviews like this!
And if ever you see this comment, what do you think about the engine and transmission? It's a Nissan and we're just worried it wont be reliable. thank you again
Hood Flutter should be fixed in production already. However, pre-production hoods with the flutter, Mitsubishi will replace the hood assembly and repaint - my hood flutter is completely gone, no flutter at all. Trans is fine and appears to be reliable - however, most CVT trans failures are typically related to driver abuse. You take care of it and it will take care of you... Thanks for the comments...
I just purchased one last week (23 sel black edition) and it doesn’t seem to do it
@@millerhighlights8465 I've been considering a new leftover 2022 Outlander SEL. Was watching another owner's review video and the guy had the hood fluttering and the dealer replaced it. He mentioned that his Outlander was the first 2022 sold in Texas (according to his dealer). I'm hoping the one I'm considering is fixed already since it was produced a lot later in the year.
@@jeffmorse645 If not, the dealer should replace the hood. Warranty is by the VIN number, not by the current owner.
Good job
Thanks!
Can you analyze the Kia Sorento?
I'll see what I can do. However, I'm not a fan of Kia in general - I saw too many issues and concerns overall when I managed the maintenance facility at a large rental car company... Hyundai was a little better, but same company and still concerns I didn't like - I wouldn't buy from either personally...
Heard the hood will be replaced by Mitsu on request with one that has more bracing ?
Yes, this is true - mine is on order. But it will take about 3 months to arrive, then 3 days to paint match and install.
I PURCHASED MINE ON 04/22. LOVE IT. SORRY AMERICAN BRANDS THIS IS THE BEST.
Your's should be post production on the hood flutter concern - let us know if it is occurring on your vechile?
@@millerhighlights8465 no problems at all. thanks god is made in Japan.
It seems like a reliable vehicle but pray to God that nissan engine holds out hopefully its made in Japan like the outlander body as well
I'm not aware of any US made Nissan Engines - it seems to be a good engine. In the past, Nissan had some cat converter issues, and they didn't really step up to the plate to warranty them - many caused engine damage. Time will tell of the long-term durability of the Nissan Engine in the Outlander?
@@millerhighlights8465 I had the same engine reliability issues with my 1988 Isuzu Trooper2. At 12k head gasket blew, at 18k engine rods failed. Isuzu didn't step up to the plate. We ended up spending about 12k for all the issues. A mechanic told me the engine was too small for it. Ours was first year with automatic. Isuzu ended up leaving the US market. If they had of stepped up we would of stayed with them. Instead they gave.us the middle finger. I would concerned with the small engine holding up. They should of gone with the six. And I find it obscene they are charging for garage door opener and remote start, not including those on the fob and headliner. Toyota is trying to pull the subscription plan garbage and customers aren't happy.
@@MGMidget73 Yeah, everyone is putting in little features to nickel and dime the customers to death....
The 2022 Mitsubishi Outlander is made in Okazaki Japan also Nissan's 2.5L is reliable no issues at all much better than those Thetta and Kappa engines that Hyundai and Kia is currently using and also much better than those 1.5 Turbo from Honda.
The previous generation 2.4L engine is virtually indestructible, on Toyota level. I too worry about them using a Nissan engine, when the prior were so reliable.... But getting old.
Good review I do not like the head lights
Thinking of getting myself a 2024 Outlander SE. a bit concerned reading the reviews if I should put my money on this car or not. All you outlander users, can you give your reviews?
Most of their concerns have been fixed - it's a good solid vehicle. I can't speak for the hybrid versions though - although I'm not a big fan of hybrid or EV vehicles anyway....
I heard the 2023 model has been resolved the hood flutter issues. Is that true?
Yes, the hood was redesigned in production and no longer flutters - Corrected...
@@millerhighlights8465 that's a great news. Thanks for the update
I don't got the problem with the hood on my 2022 Outlander LE
And my hood is a bit different from the SEL
You might have been lucky, or you got a post production fix vehicle. Glad it's good...
I lived in Rosamond for 29yrs!
I graduated HS here in '74...
When I first got my car and saw the hood moving. I thought the dealership didn't close it hard enough. Lol
Lol...
Me too
The addition of the third row has too many compromises. (1) The cargo space is very small compared to smaller SUVs (2) The second row is cramped in terms of knee and head room compared to smaller SUVs and finally (3) One cannot put a rear facing baby car seat without forcing the front passenger or driver into a cramped position.
I can see that as a full family vehicle, it's a little lacking in space - I get it.... Beyond that, it's a great vehicle.
Have you noticed the real MPG being lower than what's advertised ?
It usually is. When certifying, they use the highest quality gas to get the extra mileage rating. However, on my last trip north,I got 30 mpg - which is right in there with their rating...
How is the Mitsu holding up after buying new ??
It's holding up great, no issues. Occasionally I get P0401 EGR Flow code that comes on, then goes off. Not too worried about it and will have dealer look at it when I take it in for the campaign notice I got for the rear camera programming. Typical stuff that goes on with a car, but nothing serious yet - very happy with the vehicle.
@@millerhighlights8465 What MPG on HWY ?
@@bextar6365 Highway, eg. trip to vegas, with cruise on and in Eco mode, 30 mpg. Around town driving 23 to 25 mpg.
@@millerhighlights8465 23 / 25 Around town is just about what we get with our 2019 and 2020
H-Day Santa Fe''s ..Drove my 2020 55 miles recently with the AC on thru the twisty Ozarks averaged 33.2 MPG. Each has a 8spd trans with 185 HP.
I have 2019 Mitsubishi outlander sel. Should I trade it for 2022 outlander
The 2022 is a very nice vehicle, if you are OK with the 4cyl, you would like the vehicle... I still enjoy driving it a great deal...
No. You have a 10 yr 100k warranty. The Mitsubishi powertrain will be bullet proof. It does not hold value great. I would nit chose Debt to risk spending more on a Nissan derived powertrain. Those are great. Just maintain and keep as long as it serves your needs. You can get 250k miles easily with care.
The steer lane assist is super annoying as it beeps everytime it locks onto the lines and gives a green wheel. So when you turn on your turn signal to go over a lane it will disengage and then lock on in the next lane and ding. Then disengage and then lock on and ding again when switching back to the right lane. Coming from a Hyundai vehicle that you could engage the steer lane assist at any time without cruise control with no dinging, it's a HUGE downgrade and regret buying the car because of it.
The old generation Nissan Pathfinder also had the hood flutter
Do you know if there was a field fix?
@@millerhighlights8465 I do not…mine had it for sure. I don’t own the car any more
LOOK AT OWNER REVIEW SITES THERE ARE A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE OUTLANDER QUALITY !
I DO LIKE THE OVERALL STYLE MYSELF...
When working at factory level, or NHTSA level, you will always see a lot of complaints with all brands and models - doesn't mean it's a bad vehicles. It's a great vehicle and top contender overall...
@@millerhighlights8465
OUTLANDER = My dislike is that dealers are as rare as Hens teeth.
Another is the problematic Jatco CVT trans, also when traveling on vacation a breakdown could be a huge problem.
Another is low trade-in value ! Overall I like the style.
We now own 2 Hyundai Santa Fe's -a 2019 and 2020
both have the 185 hp 2.4 eng with 8 spd trans. About the same size as or a little larger than the Outlander........32 to 34 mpg on hwy.
La mía vibrava el frente pero la lleve al Dealer y le cambiaron todo el empaque de enfrente
Did that fix it? Also, I don't speak Spanish - had to use google translate...
It’s sad that a car manufacturer needs another company to design them a car/SUV. It kinda makes them look bad in a sense because they can’t do it themselves
Most car companies are doing this now - there are not too many secrets in the manufacturing world. There are a lot of joint ventures - Example, Toyota and GM...
I am happy to tell you that I will buy a fully loaded 2023 Outlander PHEV.
I hope it's a good vehicle for you - good luck...
The transmission shifter is the stupidest engineered part of it. I rent a LOT of cars for work, and this is the first one I had to watch a TH-cam video to know how to shift. Safety hazard if you ask me. Click the button? No use the side button? Drive, no don’t use the side button. Click up no click down, no click down twice no use the side button again. If I were in the market the test drive would have had me turning to the salesman to say “it’s a no from me, dog”.
My wife got the SEL in white with gray interior. Looks very good. Took us a minute to find one not marked over msrp. Only complaints from me I would like a little more power. But for my wife it is perfectly fine. The 20 inch wheels makes it hug the road but you can feel it through the cabin.
Yeah, both are valid in terms of characteristics. However, the power on the road is actually very good, just off the line is a tad sluggish. I do agree the road feel is a little harsh at times - otherwise, a smooth and comfortable ride...
Just brought one bloody great crossover. N.z.
Thanks for your in depth analysis, I want to buy it but hasiteted since lots of reviews regarding power and exhilation, but you are right. Everyone has a different requirments and driving comfort I would say, I am going to have test drive tomorrow and will see what is there in store.......I approciate your thoughts...
Thanks for your comments. It's a great vehicle - plenty of power. You would not want a turbo for this class of vehicle due to excessive maintenance costs and reduced life expectancy of the engine because of excessive heat generated by the turbo.
I should list all our problems 2022 awc. 0
By all means, Do... This was my evaluation on "one" vehicle - but saying that, nothing to hide if there are other concerns...
I am not a big fan of an SUV with all wheel drive having a CVT transmission as all tension is on a single belt which makes it vulnerable to breakdown
This more of a touring class of vehicle and not really made for off-road as a true SUV would - so you are comparing apples to oranges. The CVT is more than adequate and reliable for this class of vehicle - which is highway/road driving with potential hazardous conditions. Since Outlanders have Mag Wheels, you would not take a mag wheel off road - you would destroy it. So if you require a True SUV, then yes a CVT is not appropriate for the off road SUV class - but that's not what the Outlander is.
this car looks better than any bmw suv even x7 or x6 and at least its engine doesn't break or eat ur pockets !
ME ENCANTA MI CAMIONETA ESTOY FELIZ CON ELLA PERO DESCUBRE UN GRAN PROBLEMA CUANDO SE PONCHO MI LLANTA ESTAS NO TIENEN LLANTA DE REPUESTO
I agree that a spare tire would be nice...
Mitsubishi outlander ❤️
Thanks, I love mine...
I took my Mitsubishi outlander to dealership they fix it their is a recall for the hood.
Yeah, I figured it wouldn't take long for a field fix for the concern. How was the result?
Hello guys! I had the same issue with the hood, and they tried to fix it, but for me, nothing changed.
I heard that they're going to replaced the hood
@@christosagelakos1894 What source did you hear that information from? Hood replacement would mean a NHTSA recall safety campaign... I would question of the quality of the paint because they would have to sublet the hood out for repaint???
When I went two weeks ago to the dealer to do my first oil change, they told me that my hood will be replaced with a new one to solve the issue.
By the way, my vehicle started making a noise in the front and they told me it's a problem with something on top of the shock absorber.
The problem is that they take off the parts but they can't install the new one because they don't have the tools. They made a order directly to Japan because in the country aren't available 🤦🏻♂️.
I have an issue with the entertainment system because once a day it auto shutdown and restart after a few seconds.