2023 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV | Talking Cars with Consumer Reports
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Mitsubishi's three-row compact SUV gets a plug-in hybrid version for 2023. We share our first impressions of the 2023 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV (is it pronounced P-HEV, or FEV?), discuss its new powertrain, driving characteristics, and how its electric range compares to other popular plug-in hybrids like the Toyota RAV4 Prime, Hyundai Tucson and Kia Sportage. We also help someone from our audience choose a comfortable, dependable, and fuel efficient hybrid vehicle that's great for long road trips.
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00:00 - Introduction
00:13 - First Impressions : 2023 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV
18:21 - Question: What is a great hybrid vehicle for long trips that is comfortable, dependable, and fuel efficient?
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There are many things wrong with your analysis , yes the outlander and Rogue use a shared platform, but the only thing similar is the suspension framework
with the outlander phev, it uses Mitsubishi 4b12 2.4 motor and Mitsubishi developed s91 and ya1 electric motors.
The nissan rogue hybrid uses nissan e power / e 4orce technology, it has a 1.5 3 cylinder Kr15DDT turbo engine with variable compression , And bm46 / mm48 nissan electric motors
The interior is also different. Mitsubishi and nissan have their own proprietary all wheel drive systems.
Another thing Is the outlander phev is a plug in hybrid , it is meant to be charged before commuting. Most people will drive it in that way, the petrol motor will hardly ever turn on saving your gas , it will only be on constantly when the battery needs recharging. You can use the vehicle in EV only mode and not use the petrol motor at all.
You are supposed to be experts and so many things are wrong with your analysis. Even mis pronouncing phev as a joke is rather unprofessional.
1) The Nissan Rogue just changed it's engine, the previous engine was the same as the Outlander gas model
2)There is no Nissan Rogue hybrid from the current gen
3) You are flat out wrong about the interiors, they are virtually the same
4) When you run out of electricity and go into hybrid mode the car is highly inefficient, in fact less inefficient than the regular gas version.
5)There is no correct pronunciation of phev
It’s not a Toyota. You’re fortunate they said anything approaching nice.
Great episode! I purchased Mitsubishi PHEV. I tried Honda CR-V hybrid, and did not like it. Much smaller, made us car sick (swinging left and right on gravel road), and looked grossly outdated. Plus, dealer wanted $7500 over the $50K price tag. I tried Toyota RAV-4 regular gas (hybrid was not available). Did not like it. Cabin is grossly outdated. Plus, toyota hybrids made me seriously car sick (swinging front and back). Dealer also wanted $7500 over the projected $55K price tag and waiting was projected for several months. I purchased Mitsu SEL, $44K, almost GT, only missing sunroof (which we do not like), massage seats and heads up display. On my trio from DC to Buffalo, and back, I achieved 32 mpg. Also third raw is grest to have as I have little grand kids.
I have a PHEV. I use it like an EV in town, and a hybrid on my monthly long distance trips. In EV mode, for the last year, I am averaging 6.387 miles per kWh. On the freeway I am averaging 57.8 mpg. Since December, I have not had to fill up with gas. I do have a level 2 charger at home, and previously owned a 2011 Leaf. The PHEV I am speaking about is a 2019 Ford Fusion Energi.
That’s incredible !
It really is how it is used in relation to your needs. We are about to buy an Outlander and the key pt for us is the commute which rarely even happens these days with the work from home. But in the event that we do commute the distance is just under 25 miles / 40kms. Charge at work charge at home between using it. I don't see us using the ICE or PHEV mode very much except for the occasional road trip. Still going to and discussing the logistics with the family but I think this EV range on the Outlander does fit our requirements like a glove.
PHEV aren't _only_ useful for long trips. It's a unique tech that fills a need that other techs do not. They are great as mobile offices for people who work out of their vehicles or use their vehicles for work and spend a lot of time parked with the HVAC system running, or for people who like to go camping, or delivery and taxi use. These are all scenarios where PHEV is a superior solution than either EV or ICE. I wish people would stop framing PHEV as a "transitional" tech whose only purpose being as a stepping stone to the inevitable "leap" to pure EV.
Exactly, they are flipping great as a city car that basically runs full ev.
I would argue PHEVs are used mostly for short trips. That gasoline tank is more for the rare long trip away from the daily grind. Most of the savings in fuel and massive savings in vehicle cost over same size EV
I too find it strange that people think of PHEVs as transitory. In many ways they are preferable to EVs.
You can make 3-4 PHEVs with the amount of battery material used for a single EV, and total GHG reduction for 3-4 PHEVs is far higher than the one EV. Adoption would also be much faster, as there isn't even close to enough material supply at present for full EV adoption by the population, nor could the grid handle it if there was.
PHEVs will also strain the grid much less. They don't suffer from range anxiety. They aren't useless during an outage.
Everyone who owns one and/or has done their own fuel economy tests gets WAY better than the official figures, AND higher performance figures. It seems Mitsubishi gave VERY conservative figures (possibly based on full 7 seat utilisation) rather than massaging them favourably. Also, for the price, you have the equivalent of 2 Tesla Power Walls built in for self-generating mains rated AC power (you could run your home or RV trailer for a week on a full tank of fuel in a pinch)
It's all about plugging it in when possible. I'm getting 3.4 l/100km, in -15C weather, thanks to maximizing plugging it in.
Adam: Ding, Ding, Ding! Now if I could only find a V2H box! Also, my driving MPG is about 35MPG highway. I haven't really tested the city driving 'cause I can plug in every day. Solar panels on the roof charge it during the day.
how much do u get
I picked up my 2024 PHEV -GT on April 8, 2024. With 11Kms on Odometer
Currently have 1,010kms on
I am averaging 85 to 95 kms per charge so far.
When using the heater (heat pump) my range drops to 60 to 70 kms in EV Mode.
Great conversation but getting a kind of PHEV are all subjective & perspective of each individual. After tons of research and test drives I ended up with Mitsubishis top trim. What an experience, it drove better than any Lexus, Toyota which we drove. Ask your Mitsubishi dealer there are loopholes for EV incentives ;)
Most owners so far are reporting more than 40-45 miles electric, and closer to 30mpg in hybrid.
Marcus, if you look at the Australian reviews, most are getting 35+MPG in hybrid mode
Owner here. We have been getting this number as well. Equal highway and equal city driving.
Imperial Oz gallon 4.5 l, US gallon 3.8 l.
Those are australian@@wlyanderson
How exactly charging your phone (or car) every night such a hassle that you can't do it... Really?
The only way this is hassle is if you don't have anywhere to plug-in overnight - that's it. Its not worth getting if you wont charge it regularly. I love my Mitus 2024 GT. the suspension is great, the interior are luxe and works well in snow/rough terrain. I am getting pretty close to mastering the one pedal drive.
The incentive for me, when I was driving a 2015 Chevy Volt for my commute to the train station in CT, was that I never had to go to get gas. I used to actually fill up once a year and that was because the car forced me to use gas by the year so it didn't go stale. But I agree, I've seen many people using PHEV's like regular hybrids which is sort of pointless.
The experts who have no idea about phevs
🤣👍💯
I would prefer a phev over pure EV no range anxiety don’t want to sit for 30 min charging a car plus plugging this in every night and not using any gas all week and still able to take long rides whenever you want is worth it.We own a gas Outlander 2022 if they offered $7500 tax credit we would have traded it for this it’s a great vehicle.
Exactly, most people don't travel huge distances for daily commutes and not having to think about looking for a charging station or having to stop to charge on long journeys is the best scenario.
I found the reviewers here were sure about the car as they've not lived with it, rather juat test drove it.
The guy complained about the suspension but as an owner of 10 month, i feel the suspension ride very well, even compare to some euros suv I've driven recently and definitely better than the rav4. Also, they mentioned about the hassle of plugging in to charge when you get home or forgetting to charge it. I can say the same about him taking a 💩 and forgetting to wipe.
I can't believe you let the 400th episode pass without comment.
I this last week and love it. A great all rounder.
As a citizen of Québec, we get a $5K incentive from our provincial government and an additional $5K from the federal government for a total of $10K... This makes the decision much easier. As a KIA Sorento EX V6 with a combined consumption of 11.4L/ 100 km, I am certain that the move to a 2024 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV GT will only be beneficial, 6.6L/100KM in hybride mode, 9.0L/100KM in fuel mode.
This is the most reliable plugin SUV in it's size. Rav4 is great too but smaller.
My hybrid suggestion for the gentleman is the Toyota Venza. The Venza is more affordable than the Lexus RX, has good cargo space, and the powertrain is pretty much the same as the RX350h.
And it runs on Regular gas.
Lexus ES, that thing is sweet on the highway...
It qualifies for the full 7500 rebate when you lease it, the dealer takes the rebate and it comes off the sticker price judt picked mine up last week
what are you paying per month for the lease?
Happy 400th episode anniversary, Talking Cars! I've been watching you since well before the 100th episode and you're still doing a great job.
I hear Jon regarding our insane electricity prices in CT.
Do a shot every time Gabe says “aaaahhh”. 🥃
Gabe's hair is starting to turn grey, which seems to disprove my long time wonder whether he was wearing a hairpiece.
You will die...
At the 8-minute mark they start talking about hybrid parallel mode and the ICE kicking in periodically, but that's only to help power the electrical motors on top of charging the motors, not to provide power to the wheels. The real parallel hybrid mode where ICE is pushing the front wheels happens only at high speeds where ICE is more efficient, and we're talking 130+ km/h (80+ mph).
In Canadian province where I am in there is a $15000 credit on the outlander phev so it's an interesting choice
Yes, our governments would rather subsidize the purchase of a privately owned car built in Japan that properly fund, healthcare, education, housing, public transit etc.
I have the 2023 outlander Phev and over 800 miles I'm averaging 43 mpg and 1700 miles 38 mpg. All driving since October,. On EV I'm averaging 2.2 miles /kwh, and this is with the heat on and heated seats.
Your mpg really depends on the type of driving you are doing. Stop go traffic in town is definitely better on ev than Ice but I find that EV prefers it when you are in stop go traffic that is moving faster, say about 30 to 40 mpg. You get much more regen going on then.
In the highway I initially got 27mpg but then I started to use the charge mode and alternate between EV and ICE which resulted in 35 mpg.
It is a very quiet ride and I disagree with their statement about ride quality. Charging times on 110V is slow. 16 hours from 0 to full. So if you drive more than 30 miles on EV a day you will struggle to charge it up to 100%. A level 2 is supped to take 6.5 hours. The charger works well in the rain.
CORRECTION: Per the IRS guidance, under the new IRA rules a leasing company DOES get the full $7,500 tax incentive for ANY BEV or PHEV. It can pass that value to the leasee. It is negotiable, but we expect most to pass it on to the leassee.
Plan on keeping PHEV charged to use EV mode 95% of the time. Should save $1500 to $2000 a year in fuel costs. Multilpy by 10+ yearw of ownership.
I have an old PHEV, C-max Energi that I drive, and agree it is a sweet spot. Great review. No offense, but Gabe is the best. I'd love to sit down and have a coffee or a beer and get a taste of his amazing breadth of auto knowledge.
As a 2013, the C-max was an early PHEV, so it has some limitations, but I've truly enjoyed owning it as it now approaches 150k miles.
I dont agree with 25 MPG outlander Phev 2023 in real world people are getting 30+ MPG !
Yes we been have been averaging 50miles (85km) here in NZ in the last 10 month this is city driving.
Highway and long journeys we average around 35mpg without using the battery and set on SAVE mode.
My next truck or SUV will be PHEV. I tow a boat and go cross state and it makes sense. If you use a full EV and a natural disaster like a hurricane in Florida, having everyone in EV in traffic with full AC, would be a disaster as the evacuation charge routes would be inundated and there will be so many cars stranded.
PHEV pickup trucks would be great, electric to get to work hybrid to tow
I thought NISSAN, MITSUBISHI and Renault worked together on the chassis as opposed to redesigning the ROGUE. This review is disjointed, the CANADIAN MOTORMOUTH review seem more comprehensive. Too much discussion trying to figure out the benefits of what is a PHEV.
Triton phev ute would be the birds nest! Take my money
We almost always drive less than 50km per day and so we want this car because we will almost never need to put gas in it. This seems like the only 3 row SUV that will allow us to do that.
Regarding hybrids for long trip, be aware that many don’t have a spare tire.
I was told by dealership that the tires are filled with anti flat material. Is that not true?
Review missed the mark bit. Looking at mpg number is almost irrelevant. People buy this that 37 miles of e-range or so fits to their daily drive. Occasional longer trip and it's MPG does not matter much if need to compromise on other factors. Sorento plugin hybrid they mentioned is apparently mixing gasoline to oil and oil level rising.
Another great episode! Congrats on making 400 episodes & I've watched all 400.
I agree that chademo is not the best choice. But perhaps a PHEV is not the best choice if you need to use it. My driving style and amount of use, means I rarely need to buy gas. If I go on a trip, i am comfortable with the gas back up but rarely need it.
phev is great for daily driver
Escape also has a plug-in hybrid!
Yes, a small front wheel only drive PHEV. Not great range and certainly not the caliber of the Outlander
I actually thought it was a PHEV platform that Nissan adapted to ICE for the Rogue. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
This new Outlander PHEV is all Mitsubishi, the engine is from Mitsubishi, the overall PHEV system is from Mitsubishi.
No, 2.4 mitsu engine. I think it do not have direct injection even, which is good
@@keyner111 OK. So Nissan took this Mitsubishi PHEV platform and turned it into an ICE for the Rogue?
@@toronado455 Not quite. Mitsubishi took the Rogue platform and used their own PHEV platform. 2.4L Atkinson cycle engine, single speed "transmission" to the front wheels only, and only occasionally. The ICE mostly runs the generator to propel the electric motors
The petrol outlander and petrol rogue share the same platform meaning engine transmission, suspension framework , with differences to the interior
However the outlander phev and Rogue e force are completely different ,with drive train. Mitsubishi uses a refined 2.4 4b12 engine with Mitsubishi developed electric motors
The Roger e force uses nissan new 1.5 Kr15DDT turbo 3 cylinder variable compression engine and nissan electric motors
Both Mitsubishi and nissan used their own proprietary hybrid systems and are totally different from one another ,
Most reviewers who are supposed to be professionals don't even understand the difference, and it shows that some reviewers don't do research.
Mitsubishi has a very small US dealership network. Chademo charging is an outdated, dying charging standard. I'd greatly prefer a Toyota Venza hybrid over the Outlander....
In answer to the question, I would recommend the Toyota Venza. Nice interior and way better gas mileage than the Hyundai Santa Fe. I do like the Santa Fe's interior but the better gas mileage would win me over. We are averaging 39 mpg after 1.5 years, including a 1,300 mile drive from Vancouver BC to Laguna Beach CA. It was smooth, and quiet on the big trip and we were very happy with our choice.
I concur.
The Toyota Sienna minivan with its 610 mile cruising range would be a dream long trip vehicle.
Why?
I mean... can you and your passengers REALLY go 10-12hrs between stops?
Not just thinking about refueling... thinking about stretching, bathroom, or food breaks.
If not, then being able to go 600+miles non-stop is moot.
I don't think I have ever taken a family trip where the stop interval was more than about 200-250 miles.
@18:39 My choice would vs Toyota Venza Hybrid AWD. Build quality, dependability, really long fuel range, roomy cargo, driving feel closer to a sedan, better ground clearance passing snowy states etc should be by far better than a Tesla. Even though you pay Toyota price Venza been build in Japan should compare the build quality to Tesla.Another option, I would personally get a bigger vehicle like Toyota Highlander Hybrid AWD for me having 2 kids. It has lot of cargo room. And its built here in the USA if you care about that.
I would take either, but I prefer the Highlander. Problem being right now these are so scarce and difficult to find.
@@toronado455 Every Toyota Hybrid is hard to get.
This is a great vehicle but I’m just wondering how it copes with long distance driving on muddy and dirt roads especially with that 20 inch wheels and no spare wheel as an option. Any light off road duty would be a disaster 😢
Another channel has a video comparing a bunch of SUVs off reading and the Outlander didn't do bad
Mitsubishi, please make a pick up truck version.
I'll be looking for one too in the next 5-10 years.
That Hybrid MPG and CHAdeMO carryover standard was left out by most TH-camr's during the launch event. Did Mitsu influence the media not to mention these particular negatives?
Driven Both It does not drive like the standard Petrol it drives Heaps better nice Car a bit to expensive but Nice
The outlander PHEV was impressive in 2014
It was, especially how reliable it was from 2013 and those early gen phev are still driving and not giving any major problems.
Are you trying to say it no longer is?
Because the 2023 Outlander PHEV is quite a bit different spec wise from the 2014 version.
Any episode now we'll get the 3 Mikes on the same episode together.
The universe will not allow it.
@@consumerreports 😂 🏆
It won't qualify for the 7,500 rebate right?
Leasing it does. We took out a 2 year and plan on paying it off then. As result, the leasing company was able to pass us the credit as an upfront discount on the price of the vehicle.
This vehicle does qualify for the Federal Tax Credit if it is leased.
It is cheaper and available in my place to all phevs you have mentioned.
Jeep has two plug in hybrids. I've heard the Wrangler is the best selling PHEV in the USA. I have a PHEV Grand Cherokee.
The Jeeps do qualify for the $7500 Tax incentive
Thank you for confirming "FEV". I heard someone call it "P-HEV". That made no sense.
Disappointed that 38 mile EV range given the large 20kwh+ battery. Thats less than 2 miles per kwh. Most other PHEVs and BEVs get 3-4 miles per kwh.
EPA rates its EV range at 38 Miles, WLTP wise rates it higher at around 50 Miles or 87KM, most owners reports that they're getting more than 40 Miles of EV range.
Yes we been have been averaging 50miles (85km) here in NZ in the last 10 month this is city driving.
Highway and long journeys we average around 35mpg without using the battery and set on SAVE mode.
I was very interested in hearing about the new vehicle that I'm taking possession of soon, but trying to listen to Gabe as he.... ah, er, ah, er, uhm'd his way through a disorganized speech was painful. He is possibly a worse public speaker than Biden. Get it together guys.
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The 26 mpg Outlander PHEV makes a very compelling case for buying a bus pass.😂 Thank goodness US taxpayers don't have to subsidize it.
😂 OMG
The front end is like that old Jeep Cherokee route that was polarizing. I’m in the camp that didn’t like that front end.
Mitsubishi hasn’t been reliable in CR surveys. I guess the zero gravity seats from Nissan would be helpful when you are waiting for a tow truck 😂
also resembles Hyundai Kona front end
Mitsubishi has been building PHEV's since 2013, and no issues at all plus they have an amazing warranty.
I have had three Mitsubishis over my 50 years of driving. Very reliable vehicles. They are underrated. At this point, my vehicles of choice are Mitsubishis and Subarus.
@@alragucme too 😂
It was supposed to be a routine drive in the 2023 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV, but something felt off from the start. The SUV was heavier than usual, making it harder to navigate through the swamp. The gas pedal also felt strange, almost like it was resisting the driver's foot.
As the SUV ventured deeper into the swamp, the driver began to feel a sense of unease. The swamp was eerily quiet, with only the sound of the SUV's engine breaking the silence. And then, without warning, the gas pedal suddenly gave out.
The driver panicked and tried to brake, but to their horror, the brake pedal didn't respond. The car was hurtling towards the murky waters of the swamp, and there was nothing the driver could do to stop it.
Just as the SUV was about to plunge into the swamp, the lower brake pedal suddenly kicked in, bringing the car to a sudden stop. But the relief was short-lived, as the SUV began to sink into the swampy water, dragging the driver down with it.
As the water crept higher and higher, the driver struggled to escape the sinking SUV. But the weight of the car and the muck of the swamp made it impossible to break free. The driver could feel the cold, murky water filling their lungs as they gasped for air.
And then, just as all hope seemed lost, the SUV suddenly lurched upwards, as if pulled by an unseen force. The driver was thrust out of the SUV and onto the muddy bank of the swamp, gasping for breath and shaking with fear.
The SUV was gone, swallowed up by the murky waters of the swamp. And the driver knew they had narrowly escaped with their life. But the memory of that fateful drive in the 2023 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV would haunt them forever, a reminder of the dangers that lurked in the most unexpected places.
You’re off your meds again.
Awesome story. Thoroughly enjoyed.
Summary of this episode: PHEV aren’t popular, will never be the answer, and the Model Y is available today for similar money.
Model Y is 20k more here in Canada and no Canadian EV rebate 😢
Model Y prices have been slashed recently. Do you know why? Because they have a poor record of reliability. I am a professional detailer and have 9detailed a few and they also suffer from poor build quality. Misaligned body panels, low quality paint, etc. For some reason, I don't see as many issues with the other models. Also, the Outlander PHEV has a much larger interior.
PHEVs are the short lived “netbooks” of the automotive world. BEVs are the “iPad”, the future of computing.
Only in cities close to densely populated areas.
I doubt it as more BEV is produced the higher the electricity rate will increase.
Most people don't travel long distances for daily commutes, PHEV is the solution to that.
@@davidyang577 Agreed. We purchased the Mitsubishi because wife's commute is less than 12 miles per day. That,. combined with errands, makes it easy to drive in EV mode virtually all the time. We have the ICE for when we go on trips a couple times per year. These "experts" don't realize that there is a "sweet spot" that these vehicles serve very efficiently.
The material supply doesn't exist currently to support mass BEV manufacture. And, for the same amount of materials as one BEV they can build 3-4 PHEVs.
err remind me again err why GABE is there err
CU: It’s not a Toyota, so we’re going to shit on it with perpetual glass half empty analysis.
Toyota clearly knows hybrids, Mitsubishi less so.
Actually, Mitsubishi has been building PHEV's since 2013, way before Toyota did, it's just this is heavier than the RAV4 and also less aerodynamically efficient because of its boxy design, also the 2.4L N/A engine is a carryover and not all new.
@Brian Lee that's not gonna happen dear, if you look at Mitsubishi's sales, it's actually improving year by year. Last 2021 and 2022, they sold more than a million cars globally.
Apparently they don’t. Toyota is only able to build a few hundred Rav Primes every month.
This is actually the world's #1 selling PHEV, and has been for almost 10 years.
And now it's perfect size with a small 3rd row, bigger battery, and kills the RAV4 prime interior and features.
@@keyner111 Actually, Toyota uses virtually the same Atkinson cycle engine because they do well at higher RPM, use the electric motors to get ya going then the ICE to keep ya going
Not far and lazy, greedy is why you didn't charge the rav4phev. Gas is free from work, while electricity you have to pay for, so you just didn't plug it in to save the $2. Thanks
Uh,um,but this guy took minutes to say a few sentences to try to explain a phev from 10+ years ago. Lol
I found Most of the reviews from the US about the Mitsi phev is some what untrue. This is the third generation of the outlander phev that has been sold very well globally by most manufacturers standards since 2013 from when it was released and the new Gen is all on orders since released in Japan, NZ, Australia, Quebec. I doubt there's a PHEV on the market right now that has a better AWD capability and the price to match what the new gen Outlander phev has to offer.
That front end......it's dazzlingly awful!
These People have not actually driven the car
Sorry folks, hard pass on this one. 👎🏼
Expert score - 3/10 👎🏼