Opening at 93 metacritic score is going to help this game prove me wrong about the sales (ofc this happens the day after upload). If that holds it will be present at TGA without a doubt
Excellent video. You are on point with much of what you discuss. And really the high Metacritic scores are more a cause for celebration. I am rooting for the success of this brilliant game as I am sure you are too!
not better than P5R or DQXIS.., but good ... the woke sites ofc pushing the scores high (they love games pushing agendas, here its wierd.. too many dudes look like girls.., just too many lol., while feminine women & masculine dudes are rare..)
Except demo force you grind 10 lvl for brawler, 5 lvl for knight, 10 lvl for medic/15 lvl for seeker, 6 lvl for mage (to even have chance kill blue orbs) to feel comfortable play after release finally come andddd it will take 15 hours of happy running from dogs to zombies r clicking, you forgot mention that. Pre order not available for my country for example so i quess no booster exp either. But in general demo is fun xd, yeah.
I had the same toughts when i played the demo, this game really feels like Hashino's love letter to his career on atlus and games that are important to him, i think it's not a coincidence the main cast resembling Persona 3 characters since it's such a important game to Hashino, Meguro and Soejima inside Atlus, it feels like a big tribute to his favorite works.
not better than P5R or DQXIS.., but good ... the woke sites ofc pushing the scores high (they love games pushing agendas, here its wierd.. too many dudes look like girls.., just too many lol., while feminine women & masculine dudes are rare..)
@@incrediblehak2833 You can't afford to buy more than one game in any given month? Lmao sucks to suck enjoy the *one* game that you can afford. RIP Toriyama
@ShrimplessScampi nothing to do with affording it goofy. It's about what game you gotta put your time in. You're either a kid with no job or a bum with no job or life
@@incrediblehak2833 LOL calm down ma'am I apologize for triggering you. Again...enjoy the *ONE* game that you were able to scrounge up enough change to afford.
I hope this will propel them forward towards making more experimental games. They can't sit on their laurels and just milk the Persona franchise forever, especially since it takes them so long to make new mainline entries. P5 is likely the peak of the franchise in terms of popularity and there's no guarantee that the less devoted Persona players won't have forgotten about the franchise or moved on to other things by the time P6 inevitably comes out. We're seeing this happen with Final Fantasy at the moment, the once juggernaut of the video game industry is suddenly struggling to break even as their releases slow down with every entry. It's important to invest in different series, not just to introduce different types of players to your entire library but also to give your staff new creative ideas to explore.
@@micahltaylor739 It's arguable that the beginning of Square's downfall was thinking they could break into Hollywood just because PSX FFVII was a perennial success. Sakaguchi left and the company merged with Enix pretty quickly after Spirits Within bombed in box office. Every time a new game comes from Square and we find out that the game "didn't meet sales expectation"....it feels like they think every mainline FF is supposed to do the numbers that VII was doing in the late 90s/early 00s
I think a lot of people do misunderstand what metaphor is, and I want to point out the timing a lot.This is the 35th anniversary of Atlus, and the game is that. It's a little bit of them cutting free, but also a game abotu tradtition. Metaphor is a tree, and each ring inside that trees body is a game Atlus has created and worked on. The day system and S-link ideas come from Persona. Combat is more SMT mainline, with the class system coming directly from Etrian, as well as the"Front/back" row system. There are a lot more little things too. Small nods, and thumbs up to what was and used to be. There is a very VERY important reason why Team Zero's logo is 2 things - The Seeker and The Fool. They always have loved the idea of The Fool, limitless, and full of all kinds of potential, but the logo is designed to look like "The Seeker" in this games framing, a being searching for it's place, and to redefine itself in the face of change. I think that's maybe the biggest thing to take away from things currently. That this stuff shows a lot of the internal workings now the industry is changing, and they don't NEED tot be "Persona" . They can do more, try more, and experiment with a lot of freedom -but it's important they dont' forget, and in fact honour a lot of what they did. :) Metaphor is a 35th anniversay victory lap, and them basically saying "And look what we can do when we just go with ideas"
I had high hopes for the demo and it blew me away. Their UI has always been next level but they've outdone themselves this time. It's a constant stream of sensory pleasures.
I think that's part of Atlus' problem. Their marketing is not great. They have always put out lots of games, most of them very high quality, but niche, and requires you to be kind of in the know. Persona does so well because it really stands out and has established itself beyond the Atlus fan base. You don't need to be a JRPG fan to be aware of Persona, but anything else Atlus has put out might get lost in the endless stream of JRPG...
a huge part of the main persona titles (since p3) is its set on modern day japan. this fact is supported on how little hype refantazio has atleast compared to persona or smt
Oh yeah, ill never forget beating P5 and seeing their Re: Fantasy concept video after. Didnt realize the releaee date was so soon! So happy for Atlus, they deserve it. One of few gaming companies thats always stayed true to itself while also experimenting with new concepts to see what hits best with the fan base and new fans 🎇
I think the biggest uphill battle is that this is the finale of Atlus’s year. Within the last 12 months, we’ve gotten two persona games (well, 2.5 if you count the answer separate), an SMT rerelease, and Unicorn Overload. I know personally the reason I’m skipping at launch is because I want to finish Reload first. I think the burnout may be getting to some people which is why I’m hesitant on picking it up.
I'm glad you're back I love watching your videos I can tell you are a true fan of the franchise I noticed this especially in your video about Apocalypse you really show your true opinion different from other TH-camrs in the fandom
For me, the most exciting aspect about Metaphor isn't even the game itself (Which I have no doubt is gonna be one of the best they have ever made) but what it means for subsequent Atlus titles, it's very clear that Metaphor is a testing ground for new mechanics and ideas they want to utilize in upcoming projects but need to experiment on first, Atlus' last two generation titles have been quite formulaic when you compare it to the PS2 era or prior consoles that had much more diversity of direction and gameplay, with Metaphor releasing the chains have been broken, sure Metaphor is still highly derivative of their two flagship franchises but it's also completely new ground, they have blown the ceiling with this one and can reach for the sky, they don't need to be burdened anymore by their own clichés The sheer level of potential for a Metaphor sequel, a new Persona, a new SMT spinoff, a completely new series, it's off the charts A lot of people will give this game shit for playing like Persona and SMT but they fail to understand this was a necessary step in the process of breaking new ground and carving a new path for themselves We are experiencing the prologue of Atlus' golden age, which is very fitting for an anniversary game that celebrates the company's history
I’m SUPER excited for Metaphor. When it was first “announced” as ReFantasy I was really curious about how they’d handle a fantasy game, but now that I’ve played the demo, I really hope it sells well. Probably gonna be my GOTY.
I agree it's a massive cross roads for Atlus but I don't have the same pessimistic viewpoint you have. This video came up on my home page and I clicked on btw. you earned a sub from me and I can't wait to see where you go in the future!
As someone who has played very little of the Persona games I can tell you I was blown away by the Metaphor: ReFantazio demo! I downloaded the demo on a whim, not expecting much, to buying the collector's edition instantaneously! The level of ambition and quality on display was jaw dropping in my opinion! The graphics and art style are so good! The writing, voice acting, lore and music top-notch! The rich lore and fantasy within fantasy conceit is a good one and really pulled me in! Taken all together I think this is going to be an all-time great game and really raises the JRPG genre to new heights imo! And there is absolutely nothing wrong with the title dude!! I think the game is going to do quite well at first and even better over time with word of mouth! And I hope they do something similar like they did with Persona 5 Royal and a year or two from now! The 11th can't come fast enough!
word of mouth is gonna do wonders for this game. I also think the departure from a high school setting will set the game up well for other starving audiences like the rpg square enix fans who miss turn based games.
Probably, but that'd also means the game will get harder critics. You'll get the "it's just Persona in Medieval Fantasy" and the "you're just taking the job system from FF3" combo, you also got the streamers of "Modern" FF that don't think too highly of turn-based systems. But hey the game's theme is about facing adversity, we'll see how it goes.
@@BlakeAter i don’t think that’s necessarily a bad thing for sales. the vocal side like twitter maybe but i think game talk will pique interests and get more people to try the demo regardless. tbh i didn’t know anyone was saying anything bad about the game before this video lol
@@BlakeAternaaah it’ll be fine wlden ring was just dark souls in giant empty open world and look it how that did, and i know plenty of people who are turned off by the high school setting of persona i can see this doing way better then p3r
@@BlakeAter Persona comparisons are nothing new and inevitable...when SMTV first dropped on the Switch the common theme of a lot of (misinformed) reviews was "There isn't [insert feature] like Persona"...which prompted alot of funny responses in the comments especially from longtime SMT fans. It is what it is...there are *Atlus fans* in the comments under this video right now attempting to give this game grief because it's either "too much" like Persona or "not enough" like Persona. I think legitimate fans of JRPGs in general are just happy that there has been a constant stream of JRPGs within the past 2 years. Playing Super Mario RPG on my Switch, still goofing around on Colosseum battles in FFVII Rebirth on my 5, and currently trying to grind archetype levels in the optional dungeon in the Metaphor demo on my PC. It's about as close to the Golden Age (late 90s early 2000s) of JRPGs as we'll probably get
Marketing wise it’s concerning. Most of YT vids about this game are only around thousands, I remember persona 5 have around hundred of thousands views easily before release because atlus+ sony went all out with the marketing strategy, collaborating with many huge channels to discuss P5
You are definitely tapped in. I resonate with you saying it feels like a culmination of all the Atlas adventures. That was the first thing I noticed during the demo excited to get my hands on the full game.
I’m gonna be honest here - longtime gamer 30+ years in and out - the persona series never appealed to me. It always looked teenage to me. But Atlus has always been on my radar. I played the demo for Metaphor and I haven’t been obsessed with an art style/gameplay/music in an rpg like this in a very long time. It is truly a masterpiece and can’t wait to play the whole thing! 😅
I enjoyed the demo quite a bit. Atlus is great at making characters, themes and setting interesting so I'm not let down there at all. While I think there are plenty of differences, I do see why people would compare this to Persona so closely . I think that is a good thing though. With how many new fans Persona 5 brought in (and hopefully SMT VV too), having something similar like social links and whatnot is good. People are comfortable with what is familiar, so they won't hesitate as much with jumping onto a new IP like this. If it was completely unrecognizable, then it might not sell as well as we hope it would. If it does make the sales it needs to keep Atlus making new IPs then great! If that happens maybe they would feel safer diverging further from the Persona formula in future titles. For now I will be enjoying Metaphor and putting more than 100 hours into it as I do with all their titles. Thank you for the video and keep up the good work !
5:27 I wanted to correct something here: Soejima still makes some designs for mainline Persona, but he was largely hands off for P3 Reload. There's a newer artist (Azusa Shimada) that they signed on to do the new Tartarus outfits for SEES, and she seems to be the new main art director for P-Studio. For P5X, Soejima designed the protag and his Persona, but the rest of the characters were done by other artists. Soejima was completely hands off for Persona 5 Tactica. Soejima has slowly been leaving Persona development and has clearly chosen a few successors, although he still makes celebration artwork for milestones.
I'm a big fantasy game buff and Atlus fan so Metaphor is like a godsend for me. The demo was action packed and now I'm waiting for release with anticipation.
This year has had metaphor, SMTVV and P3R, this year has been nothing but greatness from atlus. They have released a game in both of their existing pillars to big financial and popular success, and now their hopefully third pillar has incredibly reviews, higher than any other atlus game I think.
I honestly hope that this is only the beginning of a new franchise for Atlus. I can't remember my hype for a game being this big. Maybe FF7Remake in 2020, but i'm more impatient for its release day. 17 hours in the demo now and can't wait to continue with my best save file from that. Everybody have fun in the Kingdom of Euchronia this friday!!
Basically Atlus has become the new Square Enix in turn based RPG games. Most of the older people like myself grew up with Square Soft RPG games, but current/modern Square Enix has become "Westernized" action based vs. Atlus sticking with their core roots and fans for the past 20yrs, but modernizing turn based RPG games. Atlus knows there is a market for single player turn based games that Square has abandon. Atlus is sticking to their roots and core fans. Metaphor: ReFantazio is my #1 most anticipated game and played some of the demo and it was great! Loved it!
True, but Romancing Saga 2 remake (TBS) from Square Enix is my #1 anticipated game. I just don't like Persona/Metaphor combat, and that a large portion of the game.
Maybe Square will choose Persona as its next trend to chase. If a few romanceable waifus are what it takes to loop them back to turn-based I won't complain.
90s kid here that remembers the importance of VII on PS1 and X on the PS2. Agreed for the most part *but* not everything under SE is becoming "Westernized" action-based. It's been evident since the merger that of the companies two biggest pillars/IPs...Dragon Quest will remain the traditional turn-based JRPG experience most of us grew up with...and Final Fantasy is the IP that experiments with action elements (usually still based around the Stagger mechanic). Just saying because you insinuate multiple times in your post that Square has "abandoned" turn based...failing to mention that DQXI is about as old school turn-based as a JRPG can get. Also failing to mention the upcoming release of the remake of what many would consider the first "important" JRPG with Dragon Quest III launching next month..which has retained the turn based system. Another response also mentioned Romancing SaGa 2 remake retaining turn-based. All pretty big Square Enix titles. That being said...Friday cannot come soon enough lol
@@ShrimplessScampi I guess you haven't heard the bad news for Dragon Quest 12 - The rumors have it they are making it into an ACTION RPG type of game to bring new players into this RPG. So while you said Dragon Quest they have kept it was to APPEASE Japanese players.. But now with the upcoming 12 - rumors has it they are making it ACTION RPG.. How dare they!
@@verhulstjason "I guess you haven't heard..." LOL *I've heard* and it's either old or baseless and if you remember the first previews of DQIX (which are still on YT to watch) it wasn't turn based and fans were vocal about their dislike to the point that the SE/Armor Project/Bird Studio went back to the drawing board and made IX turn based again. Why attempt to gaslight me after I just stated that I've been playing (and paying attention to the news/rumors of) these type of games for quite some time?
The game has an incredible 6 hour demo and the review emargo lifted a full week ahead of release to glowing reviews. If this game fails, gamers dont deserve good games. Just more football games.
My first experience with this series was Persona 5, and as jrpg, I fell in love with it, and now I am a fan. The sound tracks are amazing, and I've definitely getting metaphor
It will become a top seller, because... let's be honest, it is, in fact, a fantasy Persona. Everything in this game has its Persona/SMT counterpart... the reasons for the awakening of the archetypes of your party are basically the same as why your party is able to use personas in P5. The way the game progresses, with a "hub world" where you basically fast travel to wherever you need to go... same. The way the bonding works, the calendar system... heck, we even have an "Igor"/Velvet-Room-counterpart. Not to mention combat and character progression, which are basically identical... it's "just" modern persona with a different skin (fantasy), a darker, more SMT-like tone and a few smaller touches here and there which aren't much bigger than they are usually within the progression of the series from one title to the next. It's probably the safest "new franchise" they could build. And considering I'm a huge Persona- and SMT-fan myself and Persona sells great, there isn't really anything wrong with that. Not even sure if that title would need more marketing, to be honest.
I feel this is a HD version of mechanics similar to SMT4... (not Apocalypse but the 4th one, with the forest and kingdom and all that). We need new IPs... enough with the Personas and Final Fantasy types with numbers increasing with each year. They need to start taking more risks. But I agree... the naming 'Metaphor Refantazio' is a mouthful. They should have kept it small. Even Soul Hackers has one too many words.
The first 5 mins of the demo told me all I needed to know with how mature this story would be. I mean, dude, right off the bat that first cutscene. I thought this would be chill and happy like P5, but nope, it's better. In my opinion, it's better.
Great Demo. And the game seems to be massive with some saying it's like P5 in lenght. I think if the full game turns out to be as good as the demo then people will support it. I do think it will sell well.
Normally I'd prefer a more non-all-in-fantasy setting like Persona/Yakuza, but the question at the start of the game and following dialogues in the storyline, where OUR world is a fantasy to them, really hooks me into wanting to find out more in how the story will play out in the story. Not to mention the battle system which is a mixture of all atlus's games to date and that's so fking fun to play.
I played the demo and I'm so hooked by the way they combined all the best aspects of their series' titles that I'm practically frothing at the mouth waiting for the release and am borderline unable to comprehend how anyone can _not_ be unreasonably hyped for the game. Got my days off work booked and everything. That said, I do think the game borrows a few too many elements from Persona to truly stand on its own as a 'third pillar' (Archetype awakenings, Akademeia and More vs. Velvet Room and Igor, calendar system, Royal Virtues vs social stats, followers/social links, etc). Though for me personally it doesn't bother me at all, I love the aesthetic, Press Turn combat, MC stats à la SMT, changing weapons in overworld like SMT4, Archetypes are like a job system which I have always loved etc). The story seems unusual enough to capture my interest and I love that we will travel around rather than having a single hub city like Tokyo or Inaba. I just don't know how much mainstream interest it will capture. I don't get the feeling it will have the same mass appeal as P5 did. But I would love to be proven wrong. I agree too that I would love to see Atlus not be pigeonholed to Persona + spinoffs + the occasional SMT.
Best demo I’ve played in years. This is a mature themed game which is sorely missing in most modern jrpgs. I will purchase this game and truthfully I don’t think it can fail. It’s just too good, from Character designs, to art direction and even the English dub is great. It’s got success written all over it!
This is great insight on Hashino, Atlus' past, the industry, and the importance of this game doing well! While it wasn't my cup of tea, I do hope everyone enjoys the game and it does well. Excluding the medieval high fantasy setting, this game feels like Hashino's greatest hits without much innovation. In my opinion, this game will live and die by it's story after the visuals disappear the more you play. This game will probably change someone's life who hasn't played an Atlus game though. Great video!
Thank you for being thorough in talking about Atlus history, mentioning their other games that didnt reach the critical success that the Persona Series did. I liked the video the second you said that their other series were alienated. Right now im getting into arguments in a different comment section for daring to say, paraphrased: "Atlus has other good games that inspired some systems in Metaphor and they deserve a spotlight". Persona was originally an SMT spinoff, so I feel like people trying to remove it from the conversation is really strange. Either way, thank you for your research, and bringing attention to their other games.
i've played a few jrpg"s and have wanted to check out the persona series and just haven't made the jump into it. i've been playing the demo and love it. the style is amazing i've never seen anything like it. i'm gonna buy it when it comes out for sure
I mean with the leaks of persona 6 being a "huge" game, according to leaks, made me think that this was a step in between what it would look like. More open worldy compared to other ones.
Why not? From soft has been making souls forever, activition has been making cod for ever, im fine with persona. Lets see you come up with a brand new idea for game that hasn’t been thought of yet
Great video, and experimenting is great, but something you don't see publishers and developers do anymore, because it costs a crazy amount of money to create a game today. It's not like the PS2 days where you can put out three/four games a year. This seems to be the same kind of thinking that people have regarding Rockstar Games. Some people also think that they could churn out a new GTA every other year, like they did in the PS2 days. Having said that, great video and I appreciate your efforts!
I was introduced to ATLUS when Persona 4 Golden got ported to PC and mainly stuck with the Persona series. Metaphor ReFantazio has honestly been the only game I’ve been interested in outside of Persona.
I think 1. Persona 5 kinda grew over time. I remember people talking about it when it was released and by the time Royal came out the mainstream hype train kinda kicked into gear Also Kojima’s hype is definitely bigger but it was almost exclusively attached to MGS and MRF is maybe in a similar space to Death Stranding.
I played the Demo, I really enjoyed it. I see some people on steam saying to wait to buy it since they will likely release an updated version sooner or later, I highly disagree with this. Like you said in the video this is a risk atlas is taking. If everyone waits for a better version then that version won’t ever come.
If were to add something is that SMT VV was the biggest risk the company took in a main game, since it completly changed its level desing by going from dungeons to semi-open worlds, which could have killed the game if done wrong. The other one would be TMS, but that was a special case due to the collab with Nintendo.
Idk I played the demo and I don't think it's as much like persona as people say. But at the same time as a long time atlus fan I can see differences better then someone who has just played persona and that's it
I don't understand why this would be a huge cross road. I see the biggest hurdle of this game not being called persona and not being modern setting. I only played p5 and fatazio demo but it strikes me as 2 very similar games with minor Tweeks to the game systems. Still summoning big dudes to fight. Still simple elemental attacks where you obtain more powerful versions of as you progress (weakness does seem to play a smaller role which I think is nice). Still the same time management/social bond system. Same or similar dungeon system and the list goes on. One thing I was disappointed by was the music. Did not hear any real bangers during the demo, while p5 music was the biggest reason I played the game. I did not think to even try the demo but your video convinced me to try it. I think it was still fun while being only a small departure from persona. I might get it once it goes on sale.
I really do want to the game to do well because even though I haven’t finished the demo yet, I’m really enjoying it the gameplay and how it work. I really hope it does do well but seeing how many hot hitters are on October, especially with dragon Ball, sparking zero and others I think it won’t, but I hope it does.
As someone who didnt even know who Atlus was a month ago and is now ankle deep into persona3reload, when i saw Metaphor, it felt to me like something from an up and coming studio. Not the creators of Persona 😅 Still, i wasnt a huge fan of what i played, but i hopped on gamepass ultimate for bo6 and p3reload was on there. Jumped into that abd im loving it. Ill come back to this when im done with persona as a series
9:50 - Sadly P-Studio will probably stick to the Persona IP as it is the main studio of the series while Team Maniax maybe aside from maybe potential revivals of old IP whether Megami Tensei spinoff or other IPs like currently right now that dev team aside working on Etrian Odyssey VI is Eiji Ishida game that either be a new IP or an exisiting one. Only I can see changed is the Persona series if Kazuhisa Wada will take cues in some aspect for Metaphor into Persona 6 or have its own take to make both IPs distinct.
yeah P-studio definitely will be making persona games (SEGA statement says they want one game per year). It’s more about a general approach to take more risks, like you said I think changing up the persona formula to something that doesn’t feel like another Hashino game is the most important thing for them to do
@@bluemori2822 Yeah that's current fear but excitement too for Persona 6 how Kazuhisa Wada will change on the series forward beyond on what Okada and Hashino did prior years
Want to play Metaphor but ill be damned if I pay $70 for a game. There's no way. We gotta push back on this, especially knowing how they deal with DLC. They can't just go silent for 6+ years and then mega-charge for whatever they push out next
This game is attractive to me and I never played an Atlus game before. I mostly play Fantasy games, which is clearly the audience Atlus is going after. But I do think the design of the game (setting, name of the game, etc) is really niche and not appealing to the broader audience. Not like a NieR game or Final Fantasy game. At times, it feels like they're making a pretty generic medieval fantasy JRPG that would be a mid isekai anime. It's just not as compelling as the Persona stuff that discusses stuff like psychology. But I hope the game premise develops into more than just kill God like the usual JRPG in fantasy setting. Would be terrible if the game bombs because they literally spared no expense with this, it's AAA.
And ofcourse this game will not sell as well as any Persona title. Especially not comparing to P3R. That doesnt mean however that it cannot be a success with less sales than a Persona title. I'm confident sales will be good, and especially for Atlus.
@@_CrimsonBlade Call of Duty, Fifa, Madden all suck but they sell well. A game being good or bad isn't the sole reason for it being sold well. Marketing is just as big off a factor.
I'm a Final Fantasy fan sins 90'.... And never play Persona saga. (I'm don't like the high school drama) I just finish the demo (almost 20hs)... I'm waiting a game like this for 20 YEARS.
Same feeling for me but with Romancing Saga 2: Revenge of the Seven remake instead. Finished the Metaphor demo and it was great, but I still don't like the art-style nor combat. In fact, RS2 is the first game in my 30 years of playing that I pre-purchased (save 20% off).
This is probably a game that will sell over time. When the game is released everyone is going to call it a masterpiece and 10 out of 10 game, it would probably win an award or two at the game awards, and Sega and Atlus games go on sale almost every single month
Hey, I liked Soul Hackers 2, but I get that I am not in the majority. I appreciate the fresh take they are trying and so glad as to not be in the school setting which by itself is a large departure. From what I can tell the Archtypes are more akin to classes and not summons we can switch out on demand, and our companions all look to come with a attribute development bias and we can only allocate points on level up for our main character (though the current Archetype also plays a part). Like you said in the video, the pacing at the start is a big improvement. The game does not feel the need to fully explain everything from go, but just enough to get you into the thick of it and more details are bound to come out as time goes on. As for if I feel we are at a crossroad, that is hard to say. These massive creative efforts are always bound in tension between creative freedom and the need to be financially successful, even a modest sized team will still be costly over several years. I feel even if Metaphor does not hit the financial mark Sega/Atlus hopes for, they will still have to try newer styles and designs for their games, because having a diverse catalog helps ensure their own stability as consumer preference is a ever shifting thing. I hope Metaphor is a success for them, which would give them some of that diversity all the sooner.
Only thing that was turning me off was the social links-esque system and calendar system. I've been playing persona since they ported P3 to psp so I'm honestly burned out on persona. It's why I've been loving SMT V a lot as gameplay is way more engaging. Luckily, Metaphor is looking good gameplay n story wise so I'm definitely hoping this is good.
I think the sales number you chose for SMT V isn't really fair since the Port sold half a million copies in 3 days and before that it was trapped on a console that could barely run it. I also highly doubt metaphor will fail like soul hackers 2 did, the marketing is bigger and better, the demo speaks for itself and even if it doesn't sell a million copies in a week the word will still get out and people will buy the game.
While in general the game has been underhyped; in these last few weeks it has been picking up steam (and had a much bigger marketing push). The demo itself has also done a lot of good I think; seeing a lot more discussion from more places about how surprisingly good people found it.
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Opening at 93 metacritic score is going to help this game prove me wrong about the sales (ofc this happens the day after upload). If that holds it will be present at TGA without a doubt
I got so excited seeing that! I want nothing more than for this to be a massive success.
Excellent video. You are on point with much of what you discuss. And really the high Metacritic scores are more a cause for celebration. I am rooting for the success of this brilliant game as I am sure you are too!
not better than P5R or DQXIS.., but good
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the woke sites ofc pushing the scores high (they love games pushing agendas, here its wierd.. too many dudes look like girls.., just too many lol., while feminine women & masculine dudes are rare..)
Demo was fucking awesome
Fuck yeah!
@@mjanime786 Bor8ng af!
@Jp?????craque
Except demo force you grind 10 lvl for brawler, 5 lvl for knight, 10 lvl for medic/15 lvl for seeker, 6 lvl for mage (to even have chance kill blue orbs) to feel comfortable play after release finally come andddd it will take 15 hours of happy running from dogs to zombies r clicking, you forgot mention that.
Pre order not available for my country for example so i quess no booster exp either.
But in general demo is fun xd, yeah.
@@SaShA6572 go be a pricc* (blame YT) somewhere else please
i truly believe this is the beginning of a new era for Atlus
Nah!
wrong....when something like that will happen is WHEN Persona 6 comes out.....not this generic JRPG called Metaphor ....
@@Jpcraquecongrats on the dumbest opinion of the day.
@@Jpcraque oh Persona fanboy 😅
@@Jpcraque Dude, the very same people who made what you love so much about Persona are THE creators of this game.
@@Jpcraquenothing is more generic than persona same plot for 3 games using same old SMT enemies with such a casual turn based game
I had the same toughts when i played the demo, this game really feels like Hashino's love letter to his career on atlus and games that are important to him, i think it's not a coincidence the main cast resembling Persona 3 characters since it's such a important game to Hashino, Meguro and Soejima inside Atlus, it feels like a big tribute to his favorite works.
not better than P5R or DQXIS.., but good
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the woke sites ofc pushing the scores high (they love games pushing agendas, here its wierd.. too many dudes look like girls.., just too many lol., while feminine women & masculine dudes are rare..)
My most hyped game this year (minus reload but that’s a remake) genuinely excited for what’s basically the beginning of a new era for Atlus
*laughs in dbz sparking zero
@@incrediblehak2833 You can't afford to buy more than one game in any given month? Lmao sucks to suck enjoy the *one* game that you can afford. RIP Toriyama
@ShrimplessScampi nothing to do with affording it goofy. It's about what game you gotta put your time in. You're either a kid with no job or a bum with no job or life
@@incrediblehak2833 LOL calm down ma'am I apologize for triggering you. Again...enjoy the *ONE* game that you were able to scrounge up enough change to afford.
@@ShrimplessScampiweird ass behaviour. Get back in school cause your acting like a child
You should check out " metaphor".
Or Metaphor RF in the chat
Or just Re Fantazio
i'm honored to be mentioned by name ^_^
metaphor is looking promising. i hope it does well.
YOOOO WHAZZUP GOAT
agreed! thank you for watching :)
I hope this will propel them forward towards making more experimental games. They can't sit on their laurels and just milk the Persona franchise forever, especially since it takes them so long to make new mainline entries. P5 is likely the peak of the franchise in terms of popularity and there's no guarantee that the less devoted Persona players won't have forgotten about the franchise or moved on to other things by the time P6 inevitably comes out. We're seeing this happen with Final Fantasy at the moment, the once juggernaut of the video game industry is suddenly struggling to break even as their releases slow down with every entry. It's important to invest in different series, not just to introduce different types of players to your entire library but also to give your staff new creative ideas to explore.
Blame square for that they put millions into a game that sell big but not the revenue that the company put into the development of the game.
@@micahltaylor739 It's arguable that the beginning of Square's downfall was thinking they could break into Hollywood just because PSX FFVII was a perennial success. Sakaguchi left and the company merged with Enix pretty quickly after Spirits Within bombed in box office. Every time a new game comes from Square and we find out that the game "didn't meet sales expectation"....it feels like they think every mainline FF is supposed to do the numbers that VII was doing in the late 90s/early 00s
I think a lot of people do misunderstand what metaphor is, and I want to point out the timing a lot.This is the 35th anniversary of Atlus, and the game is that. It's a little bit of them cutting free, but also a game abotu tradtition. Metaphor is a tree, and each ring inside that trees body is a game Atlus has created and worked on. The day system and S-link ideas come from Persona. Combat is more SMT mainline, with the class system coming directly from Etrian, as well as the"Front/back" row system. There are a lot more little things too. Small nods, and thumbs up to what was and used to be. There is a very VERY important reason why Team Zero's logo is 2 things - The Seeker and The Fool. They always have loved the idea of The Fool, limitless, and full of all kinds of potential, but the logo is designed to look like "The Seeker" in this games framing, a being searching for it's place, and to redefine itself in the face of change. I think that's maybe the biggest thing to take away from things currently. That this stuff shows a lot of the internal workings now the industry is changing, and they don't NEED tot be "Persona" . They can do more, try more, and experiment with a lot of freedom -but it's important they dont' forget, and in fact honour a lot of what they did. :) Metaphor is a 35th anniversay victory lap, and them basically saying "And look what we can do when we just go with ideas"
I had high hopes for the demo and it blew me away. Their UI has always been next level but they've outdone themselves this time. It's a constant stream of sensory pleasures.
Bro u did a research that we never thought that we needed. History 101 for every JRPG fans. Thank you
Had honestly not heard about this game until yesterday when I was checking out the steam turn based sale where it popped up.
I think that's part of Atlus' problem. Their marketing is not great. They have always put out lots of games, most of them very high quality, but niche, and requires you to be kind of in the know. Persona does so well because it really stands out and has established itself beyond the Atlus fan base. You don't need to be a JRPG fan to be aware of Persona, but anything else Atlus has put out might get lost in the endless stream of JRPG...
a huge part of the main persona titles (since p3) is its set on modern day japan. this fact is supported on how little hype refantazio has atleast compared to persona or smt
Oh yeah, ill never forget beating P5 and seeing their Re: Fantasy concept video after. Didnt realize the releaee date was so soon! So happy for Atlus, they deserve it. One of few gaming companies thats always stayed true to itself while also experimenting with new concepts to see what hits best with the fan base and new fans 🎇
I think the biggest uphill battle is that this is the finale of Atlus’s year. Within the last 12 months, we’ve gotten two persona games (well, 2.5 if you count the answer separate), an SMT rerelease, and Unicorn Overload. I know personally the reason I’m skipping at launch is because I want to finish Reload first. I think the burnout may be getting to some people which is why I’m hesitant on picking it up.
True. Atlus' games being notoriously humongous in terms of playtime for a non-open world game doesn't help either
Reload should have never happened god i am sick of remakes.
Speak for ur self my guy persona 3 been out a year the fact u ain’t done is a you problem
@@_CrimsonBladebad take no one forced you to play it y bum
@@Hotshot8960 p3r 87 on meta while metaphor has a 94 hold the L bum
I'm glad you're back
I love watching your videos
I can tell you are a true fan of the franchise
I noticed this especially in your video about Apocalypse
you really show your true opinion different from other TH-camrs in the fandom
Thank you I really appreciate that !
This is going to be a very fun Friday
For me, the most exciting aspect about Metaphor isn't even the game itself (Which I have no doubt is gonna be one of the best they have ever made) but what it means for subsequent Atlus titles, it's very clear that Metaphor is a testing ground for new mechanics and ideas they want to utilize in upcoming projects but need to experiment on first, Atlus' last two generation titles have been quite formulaic when you compare it to the PS2 era or prior consoles that had much more diversity of direction and gameplay, with Metaphor releasing the chains have been broken, sure Metaphor is still highly derivative of their two flagship franchises but it's also completely new ground, they have blown the ceiling with this one and can reach for the sky, they don't need to be burdened anymore by their own clichés
The sheer level of potential for a Metaphor sequel, a new Persona, a new SMT spinoff, a completely new series, it's off the charts
A lot of people will give this game shit for playing like Persona and SMT but they fail to understand this was a necessary step in the process of breaking new ground and carving a new path for themselves
We are experiencing the prologue of Atlus' golden age, which is very fitting for an anniversary game that celebrates the company's history
I’m SUPER excited for Metaphor. When it was first “announced” as ReFantasy I was really curious about how they’d handle a fantasy game, but now that I’ve played the demo, I really hope it sells well. Probably gonna be my GOTY.
I agree it's a massive cross roads for Atlus but I don't have the same pessimistic viewpoint you have. This video came up on my home page and I clicked on btw. you earned a sub from me and I can't wait to see where you go in the future!
As someone who has played very little of the Persona games I can tell you I was blown away by the Metaphor: ReFantazio demo! I downloaded the demo on a whim, not expecting much, to buying the collector's edition instantaneously! The level of ambition and quality on display was jaw dropping in my opinion! The graphics and art style are so good! The writing, voice acting, lore and music top-notch! The rich lore and fantasy within fantasy conceit is a good one and really pulled me in! Taken all together I think this is going to be an all-time great game and really raises the JRPG genre to new heights imo! And there is absolutely nothing wrong with the title dude!! I think the game is going to do quite well at first and even better over time with word of mouth! And I hope they do something similar like they did with Persona 5 Royal and a year or two from now! The 11th can't come fast enough!
I remember watching Metaphor’s reveal trailer I said to myself “The game wasn’t cancelled?!”
When they revealed refantasy at xbox I walked out of the room, I was eating dinner with my family and I just had to lock tf in
I hope they do more weird and abstract after this too.
I've been looking forward to this game for ages I hope it does well !!
word of mouth is gonna do wonders for this game. I also think the departure from a high school setting will set the game up well for other starving audiences like the rpg square enix fans who miss turn based games.
Probably, but that'd also means the game will get harder critics. You'll get the "it's just Persona in Medieval Fantasy" and the "you're just taking the job system from FF3" combo, you also got the streamers of "Modern" FF that don't think too highly of turn-based systems. But hey the game's theme is about facing adversity, we'll see how it goes.
@@BlakeAter i don’t think that’s necessarily a bad thing for sales. the vocal side like twitter maybe but i think game talk will pique interests and get more people to try the demo regardless. tbh i didn’t know anyone was saying anything bad about the game before this video lol
Yeah me personally I am a turn based FF fan checking this out and I never played persona series before. Loved the demo.
@@BlakeAternaaah it’ll be fine wlden ring was just dark souls in giant empty open world and look it how that did, and i know plenty of people who are turned off by the high school setting of persona i can see this doing way better then p3r
@@BlakeAter Persona comparisons are nothing new and inevitable...when SMTV first dropped on the Switch the common theme of a lot of (misinformed) reviews was "There isn't [insert feature] like Persona"...which prompted alot of funny responses in the comments especially from longtime SMT fans. It is what it is...there are *Atlus fans* in the comments under this video right now attempting to give this game grief because it's either "too much" like Persona or "not enough" like Persona. I think legitimate fans of JRPGs in general are just happy that there has been a constant stream of JRPGs within the past 2 years. Playing Super Mario RPG on my Switch, still goofing around on Colosseum battles in FFVII Rebirth on my 5, and currently trying to grind archetype levels in the optional dungeon in the Metaphor demo on my PC. It's about as close to the Golden Age (late 90s early 2000s) of JRPGs as we'll probably get
You’re worried about how this game will sell? Literally the entire internet and gaming commmnity is talking about this game.
It might feel like that when you're surrounded by the atlus jrpg community online
Marketing wise it’s concerning. Most of YT vids about this game are only around thousands, I remember persona 5 have around hundred of thousands views easily before release because atlus+ sony went all out with the marketing strategy, collaborating with many huge channels to discuss P5
It's 8th top selling at steam atm. I think it's doing good.
@@supremeleaderfrancisco9062 I said the entire gaming community. Not the atlus jrpg community.
@@epicgamescene9273 IGN has a video out with 133k views. Stop with the nonsense.
You are definitely tapped in. I resonate with you saying it feels like a culmination of all the Atlas adventures. That was the first thing I noticed during the demo excited to get my hands on the full game.
I’m gonna be honest here - longtime gamer 30+ years in and out - the persona series never appealed to me. It always looked teenage to me. But Atlus has always been on my radar. I played the demo for Metaphor and I haven’t been obsessed with an art style/gameplay/music in an rpg like this in a very long time. It is truly a masterpiece and can’t wait to play the whole thing! 😅
I enjoyed the demo quite a bit. Atlus is great at making characters, themes and setting interesting so I'm not let down there at all. While I think there are plenty of differences, I do see why people would compare this to Persona so closely . I think that is a good thing though.
With how many new fans Persona 5 brought in (and hopefully SMT VV too), having something similar like social links and whatnot is good. People are comfortable with what is familiar, so they won't hesitate as much with jumping onto a new IP like this. If it was completely unrecognizable, then it might not sell as well as we hope it would.
If it does make the sales it needs to keep Atlus making new IPs then great! If that happens maybe they would feel safer diverging further from the Persona formula in future titles. For now I will be enjoying Metaphor and putting more than 100 hours into it as I do with all their titles.
Thank you for the video and keep up the good work !
The gameplay towards the end of the video has got me hyped
The reviews just dropped… Atlus i’m pouring honey on you
I'm so excited that I managed to hold out and get the collector's edition preordered. I haven't been this excited for a game in a long time!
Crazy how the spinoff series is what Atlus is most known for now.
I have pre-orderd this on PS5 looking forward to playing it
5:27 I wanted to correct something here: Soejima still makes some designs for mainline Persona, but he was largely hands off for P3 Reload. There's a newer artist (Azusa Shimada) that they signed on to do the new Tartarus outfits for SEES, and she seems to be the new main art director for P-Studio. For P5X, Soejima designed the protag and his Persona, but the rest of the characters were done by other artists. Soejima was completely hands off for Persona 5 Tactica. Soejima has slowly been leaving Persona development and has clearly chosen a few successors, although he still makes celebration artwork for milestones.
Hopefully this game will sell well and it will be the start of Atlus doing more with their other game lines and trying new ones
Man I hope this game gets a nomination for a GOTY
I'm a big fantasy game buff and Atlus fan so Metaphor is like a godsend for me. The demo was action packed and now I'm waiting for release with anticipation.
Metaphor is amazing and I’m all in.
This year has had metaphor, SMTVV and P3R, this year has been nothing but greatness from atlus.
They have released a game in both of their existing pillars to big financial and popular success, and now their hopefully third pillar has incredibly reviews, higher than any other atlus game I think.
I really hope this bring to new into the turn based jrpg genre, played demo twice now cant getting enough. now we wait.
I honestly hope that this is only the beginning of a new franchise for Atlus. I can't remember my hype for a game being this big. Maybe FF7Remake in 2020, but i'm more impatient for its release day. 17 hours in the demo now and can't wait to continue with my best save file from that. Everybody have fun in the Kingdom of Euchronia this friday!!
Basically Atlus has become the new Square Enix in turn based RPG games. Most of the older people like myself grew up with Square Soft RPG games, but current/modern Square Enix has become "Westernized" action based vs. Atlus sticking with their core roots and fans for the past 20yrs, but modernizing turn based RPG games.
Atlus knows there is a market for single player turn based games that Square has abandon. Atlus is sticking to their roots and core fans.
Metaphor: ReFantazio is my #1 most anticipated game and played some of the demo and it was great! Loved it!
True, but Romancing Saga 2 remake (TBS) from Square Enix is my #1 anticipated game. I just don't like Persona/Metaphor combat, and that a large portion of the game.
Maybe Square will choose Persona as its next trend to chase. If a few romanceable waifus are what it takes to loop them back to turn-based I won't complain.
90s kid here that remembers the importance of VII on PS1 and X on the PS2. Agreed for the most part *but* not everything under SE is becoming "Westernized" action-based. It's been evident since the merger that of the companies two biggest pillars/IPs...Dragon Quest will remain the traditional turn-based JRPG experience most of us grew up with...and Final Fantasy is the IP that experiments with action elements (usually still based around the Stagger mechanic).
Just saying because you insinuate multiple times in your post that Square has "abandoned" turn based...failing to mention that DQXI is about as old school turn-based as a JRPG can get. Also failing to mention the upcoming release of the remake of what many would consider the first "important" JRPG with Dragon Quest III launching next month..which has retained the turn based system. Another response also mentioned Romancing SaGa 2 remake retaining turn-based. All pretty big Square Enix titles.
That being said...Friday cannot come soon enough lol
@@ShrimplessScampi I guess you haven't heard the bad news for Dragon Quest 12 - The rumors have it they are making it into an ACTION RPG type of game to bring new players into this RPG. So while you said Dragon Quest they have kept it was to APPEASE Japanese players.. But now with the upcoming 12 - rumors has it they are making it ACTION RPG.. How dare they!
@@verhulstjason "I guess you haven't heard..." LOL *I've heard* and it's either old or baseless and if you remember the first previews of DQIX (which are still on YT to watch) it wasn't turn based and fans were vocal about their dislike to the point that the SE/Armor Project/Bird Studio went back to the drawing board and made IX turn based again. Why attempt to gaslight me after I just stated that I've been playing (and paying attention to the news/rumors of) these type of games for quite some time?
The game has an incredible 6 hour demo and the review emargo lifted a full week ahead of release to glowing reviews. If this game fails, gamers dont deserve good games. Just more football games.
My first experience with this series was Persona 5, and as jrpg, I fell in love with it, and now I am a fan. The sound tracks are amazing, and I've definitely getting metaphor
nice video, got yourself a sub ^^ cant wait to play metaphor!
I’m more excited for Metaphor than SH2! And I grew up a horror game player. Didn’t even get into turn based RPGs until I was 32 with Bravely Default
It will become a top seller, because... let's be honest, it is, in fact, a fantasy Persona. Everything in this game has its Persona/SMT counterpart... the reasons for the awakening of the archetypes of your party are basically the same as why your party is able to use personas in P5. The way the game progresses, with a "hub world" where you basically fast travel to wherever you need to go... same. The way the bonding works, the calendar system... heck, we even have an "Igor"/Velvet-Room-counterpart. Not to mention combat and character progression, which are basically identical... it's "just" modern persona with a different skin (fantasy), a darker, more SMT-like tone and a few smaller touches here and there which aren't much bigger than they are usually within the progression of the series from one title to the next. It's probably the safest "new franchise" they could build. And considering I'm a huge Persona- and SMT-fan myself and Persona sells great, there isn't really anything wrong with that. Not even sure if that title would need more marketing, to be honest.
I feel this is a HD version of mechanics similar to SMT4... (not Apocalypse but the 4th one, with the forest and kingdom and all that). We need new IPs... enough with the Personas and Final Fantasy types with numbers increasing with each year. They need to start taking more risks.
But I agree... the naming 'Metaphor Refantazio' is a mouthful. They should have kept it small. Even Soul Hackers has one too many words.
The first 5 mins of the demo told me all I needed to know with how mature this story would be. I mean, dude, right off the bat that first cutscene. I thought this would be chill and happy like P5, but nope, it's better. In my opinion, it's better.
Great Demo. And the game seems to be massive with some saying it's like P5 in lenght. I think if the full game turns out to be as good as the demo then people will support it. I do think it will sell well.
Normally I'd prefer a more non-all-in-fantasy setting like Persona/Yakuza, but the question at the start of the game and following dialogues in the storyline, where OUR world is a fantasy to them, really hooks me into wanting to find out more in how the story will play out in the story.
Not to mention the battle system which is a mixture of all atlus's games to date and that's so fking fun to play.
I played the demo and I'm so hooked by the way they combined all the best aspects of their series' titles that I'm practically frothing at the mouth waiting for the release and am borderline unable to comprehend how anyone can _not_ be unreasonably hyped for the game. Got my days off work booked and everything.
That said, I do think the game borrows a few too many elements from Persona to truly stand on its own as a 'third pillar' (Archetype awakenings, Akademeia and More vs. Velvet Room and Igor, calendar system, Royal Virtues vs social stats, followers/social links, etc).
Though for me personally it doesn't bother me at all, I love the aesthetic, Press Turn combat, MC stats à la SMT, changing weapons in overworld like SMT4, Archetypes are like a job system which I have always loved etc). The story seems unusual enough to capture my interest and I love that we will travel around rather than having a single hub city like Tokyo or Inaba.
I just don't know how much mainstream interest it will capture. I don't get the feeling it will have the same mass appeal as P5 did. But I would love to be proven wrong. I agree too that I would love to see Atlus not be pigeonholed to Persona + spinoffs + the occasional SMT.
Never forget the wacky teasers years ago they made, like the french knight eating a pigeon from a paper bag, depressively.
Best demo I’ve played in years. This is a mature themed game which is sorely missing in most modern jrpgs. I will purchase this game and truthfully I don’t think it can fail. It’s just too good, from
Character designs, to art direction and even the English dub is great. It’s got success written all over it!
To anyone who doesn't know, the demos save data will transfer to the full release. So if you were thinking "I'll wait" for that reason, wait no more.
This is great insight on Hashino, Atlus' past, the industry, and the importance of this game doing well! While it wasn't my cup of tea, I do hope everyone enjoys the game and it does well. Excluding the medieval high fantasy setting, this game feels like Hashino's greatest hits without much innovation. In my opinion, this game will live and die by it's story after the visuals disappear the more you play. This game will probably change someone's life who hasn't played an Atlus game though. Great video!
definitely not over exaggerating I'm optimistic with atlus' future
This demo is awesome. I love the fantasy setting and the world it's in so far. I can't wait for the full game
So stoked for this game
Thank you for being thorough in talking about Atlus history, mentioning their other games that didnt reach the critical success that the Persona Series did. I liked the video the second you said that their other series were alienated. Right now im getting into arguments in a different comment section for daring to say, paraphrased: "Atlus has other good games that inspired some systems in Metaphor and they deserve a spotlight".
Persona was originally an SMT spinoff, so I feel like people trying to remove it from the conversation is really strange.
Either way, thank you for your research, and bringing attention to their other games.
This game will be a banger.
i've played a few jrpg"s and have wanted to check out the persona series and just haven't made the jump into it. i've been playing the demo and love it. the style is amazing i've never seen anything like it. i'm gonna buy it when it comes out for sure
❤ the demo so much I preordered the game . Never got into Persona tho so a completely new genre for me
I mean with the leaks of persona 6 being a "huge" game, according to leaks, made me think that this was a step in between what it would look like. More open worldy compared to other ones.
I’m excited for metaphor but worried about the sales too
Considering it’s coming out in October alongside everything else
atlus know wth they are doing more so than ytbers
just giving my opinion i obviously want the game to do well. this script was made well before it became the highest rated game on metacritic
i didnt mean to sound hostile i was typind on a tiney mobile phone while on a bus
Just curious which persona song you used in the background? I love it! Great video I'm so excited for everything upcoming for atlus.
This game need to be a hit so atlus not gonna just making persona and smt for ever
Acting like they make any other games other than persona nowadays.
Why not? From soft has been making souls forever, activition has been making cod for ever, im fine with persona. Lets see you come up with a brand new idea for game that hasn’t been thought of yet
Great video, and experimenting is great, but something you don't see publishers and developers do anymore, because it costs a crazy amount of money to create a game today.
It's not like the PS2 days where you can put out three/four games a year.
This seems to be the same kind of thinking that people have regarding Rockstar Games. Some people also think that they could churn out a new GTA every other year, like they did in the PS2 days.
Having said that, great video and I appreciate your efforts!
I was introduced to ATLUS when Persona 4 Golden got ported to PC and mainly stuck with the Persona series. Metaphor ReFantazio has honestly been the only game I’ve been interested in outside of Persona.
I think 1. Persona 5 kinda grew over time. I remember people talking about it when it was released and by the time Royal came out the mainstream hype train kinda kicked into gear
Also Kojima’s hype is definitely bigger but it was almost exclusively attached to MGS and MRF is maybe in a similar space to Death Stranding.
I played the Demo, I really enjoyed it. I see some people on steam saying to wait to buy it since they will likely release an updated version sooner or later, I highly disagree with this. Like you said in the video this is a risk atlas is taking. If everyone waits for a better version then that version won’t ever come.
If were to add something is that SMT VV was the biggest risk the company took in a main game, since it completly changed its level desing by going from dungeons to semi-open worlds, which could have killed the game if done wrong.
The other one would be TMS, but that was a special case due to the collab with Nintendo.
Beautifully worded. Definitely can't wait to get my hands on this title. Also what was the music at the end? Sounded very peaceful
Talking about change. I havent purchased an Atlus game since Thousand arms and Im sold.
Played the demo and this is the first Atlus game I'll be buying.
I enjoy your analysis
Idk I played the demo and I don't think it's as much like persona as people say. But at the same time as a long time atlus fan I can see differences better then someone who has just played persona and that's it
I don't understand why this would be a huge cross road. I see the biggest hurdle of this game not being called persona and not being modern setting. I only played p5 and fatazio demo but it strikes me as 2 very similar games with minor Tweeks to the game systems. Still summoning big dudes to fight. Still simple elemental attacks where you obtain more powerful versions of as you progress (weakness does seem to play a smaller role which I think is nice). Still the same time management/social bond system. Same or similar dungeon system and the list goes on. One thing I was disappointed by was the music. Did not hear any real bangers during the demo, while p5 music was the biggest reason I played the game. I did not think to even try the demo but your video convinced me to try it. I think it was still fun while being only a small departure from persona. I might get it once it goes on sale.
I really do want to the game to do well because even though I haven’t finished the demo yet, I’m really enjoying it the gameplay and how it work. I really hope it does do well but seeing how many hot hitters are on October, especially with dragon Ball, sparking zero and others I think it won’t, but I hope it does.
It it wasn't for their dlc practices, Atlus would easily stand at the same level as MonolithSoft for me. I genuinely can't wait to play this game!
As someone who didnt even know who Atlus was a month ago and is now ankle deep into persona3reload, when i saw Metaphor, it felt to me like something from an up and coming studio. Not the creators of Persona 😅
Still, i wasnt a huge fan of what i played, but i hopped on gamepass ultimate for bo6 and p3reload was on there. Jumped into that abd im loving it.
Ill come back to this when im done with persona as a series
Pre-order the game after demo, also loved persona 5, and royal, ps3 reload and 4. Strikers was fun to, not the best but better than others.
I just hope Atlus makes another Ogre Battle game (please atlus I NEED it 😭🙏)
9:50 - Sadly P-Studio will probably stick to the Persona IP as it is the main studio of the series while Team Maniax maybe aside from maybe potential revivals of old IP whether Megami Tensei spinoff or other IPs like currently right now that dev team aside working on Etrian Odyssey VI is Eiji Ishida game that either be a new IP or an exisiting one. Only I can see changed is the Persona series if Kazuhisa Wada will take cues in some aspect for Metaphor into Persona 6 or have its own take to make both IPs distinct.
yeah P-studio definitely will be making persona games (SEGA statement says they want one game per year). It’s more about a general approach to take more risks, like you said I think changing up the persona formula to something that doesn’t feel like another Hashino game is the most important thing for them to do
@@bluemori2822 Yeah that's current fear but excitement too for Persona 6 how Kazuhisa Wada will change on the series forward beyond on what Okada and Hashino did prior years
Want to play Metaphor but ill be damned if I pay $70 for a game. There's no way. We gotta push back on this, especially knowing how they deal with DLC. They can't just go silent for 6+ years and then mega-charge for whatever they push out next
This game is attractive to me and I never played an Atlus game before.
I mostly play Fantasy games, which is clearly the audience Atlus is going after.
But I do think the design of the game (setting, name of the game, etc) is really niche and not appealing to the broader audience.
Not like a NieR game or Final Fantasy game. At times, it feels like they're making a pretty generic medieval fantasy JRPG that would be a mid isekai anime. It's just not as compelling as the Persona stuff that discusses stuff like psychology. But I hope the game premise develops into more than just kill God like the usual JRPG in fantasy setting. Would be terrible if the game bombs because they literally spared no expense with this, it's AAA.
I know thats not what the video is about, but i just had something to add. I think SMT5 V is a masterpiece.
The sh2 sander
Is it because they won't remake it like they do with p3 p4 p5
And ofcourse this game will not sell as well as any Persona title. Especially not comparing to P3R.
That doesnt mean however that it cannot be a success with less sales than a Persona title. I'm confident sales will be good, and especially for Atlus.
P3r sucked i say it will sell more then that
@@_CrimsonBlade Call of Duty, Fifa, Madden all suck but they sell well. A game being good or bad isn't the sole reason for it being sold well. Marketing is just as big off a factor.
All i ask for a new raido game
I'm a Final Fantasy fan sins 90'.... And never play Persona saga. (I'm don't like the high school drama)
I just finish the demo (almost 20hs)...
I'm waiting a game like this for 20 YEARS.
Same feeling for me but with Romancing Saga 2: Revenge of the Seven remake instead. Finished the Metaphor demo and it was great, but I still don't like the art-style nor combat. In fact, RS2 is the first game in my 30 years of playing that I pre-purchased (save 20% off).
This is probably a game that will sell over time. When the game is released everyone is going to call it a masterpiece and 10 out of 10 game, it would probably win an award or two at the game awards, and Sega and Atlus games go on sale almost every single month
Hey, I liked Soul Hackers 2, but I get that I am not in the majority. I appreciate the fresh take they are trying and so glad as to not be in the school setting which by itself is a large departure. From what I can tell the Archtypes are more akin to classes and not summons we can switch out on demand, and our companions all look to come with a attribute development bias and we can only allocate points on level up for our main character (though the current Archetype also plays a part). Like you said in the video, the pacing at the start is a big improvement. The game does not feel the need to fully explain everything from go, but just enough to get you into the thick of it and more details are bound to come out as time goes on. As for if I feel we are at a crossroad, that is hard to say. These massive creative efforts are always bound in tension between creative freedom and the need to be financially successful, even a modest sized team will still be costly over several years. I feel even if Metaphor does not hit the financial mark Sega/Atlus hopes for, they will still have to try newer styles and designs for their games, because having a diverse catalog helps ensure their own stability as consumer preference is a ever shifting thing. I hope Metaphor is a success for them, which would give them some of that diversity all the sooner.
Best money Sega ever spent was buying Index/Atlus.
Only thing that was turning me off was the social links-esque system and calendar system. I've been playing persona since they ported P3 to psp so I'm honestly burned out on persona. It's why I've been loving SMT V a lot as gameplay is way more engaging. Luckily, Metaphor is looking good gameplay n story wise so I'm definitely hoping this is good.
I think the sales number you chose for SMT V isn't really fair since the Port sold half a million copies in 3 days and before that it was trapped on a console that could barely run it.
I also highly doubt metaphor will fail like soul hackers 2 did, the marketing is bigger and better, the demo speaks for itself and even if it doesn't sell a million copies in a week the word will still get out and people will buy the game.
While in general the game has been underhyped; in these last few weeks it has been picking up steam (and had a much bigger marketing push). The demo itself has also done a lot of good I think; seeing a lot more discussion from more places about how surprisingly good people found it.