"Tonal manipulation is manipulation using tones and sound" "Dragon shouts are more of tonal manipulation than magic" Alright, I raise you one more. I'm not saying that large artificial sun is this tonal machine, but what if us activating/using our shouts, our tonal manipulation on that giant gong didn't just make the Dragon wake up from inside Blackreach, but quite literally summoned it?
Good one! Now we need to shout more at it and see if it summons anything else! I mean if its the case it should work, right? Unless of course it uses some battery and there left no charge in it.. Or our tu'um broke it.. Yeah, the best thing in these mysteries is that you can make up all the crap you want! :)
Blackreach was one of the few truly magical moments I had playing Skyrim. Like of course there was the "oh wow!" moments, but Blackreach made me sit back in silence for a moment, just to take it all in. Blackreach by far my favorite area of Skyrim.
I have to agree with this one, it was actually my first time experiencing it the other day, it was pretty dope, I love all the falmer/snow elf lore. The land scape was phenomenal. I could see how if you've done it 100 times it could be annoying, but for the most part I just like how you get a nice change of scenery from woods and snow lol. I hate the soul cairn tho, probably because I got glitched there before🤣
You mean all the wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff? Plus Dragons? Yeah...my motorcycle helmet will not contain the contents of my cranium if those two universes collide. I mean, I'm just barely holding it together as is.
They kind of do. The Elder Scroll that leaves the time wound is hidden in Blackreach. Maybe the dwarves didn't vanish into thin air. Maybe they cast themselves into the future so that they could give their experiments mature and come to fruition.
@@Morrowynd From what I remember the dwarves didn't use the Scroll to disappear, instead they used the Heart of Lorkhan in an act of desperation when the elven alliance was about to defeat them. The same experiment is re-enacted in the college of winterhold as well when one of them asks you to find. the dagger Keening and uses it to hit a soul gem then he disappears. Because of this I doubt that the dwarves disappeared intentionally since I think they were trying to use the heart of Lorkhan to defeat their enemies instead. Been years since I read about this though so they might've changed it in ESO.
@@MrGameNightmare That's true, but it is possible that Elder Scroll could somehow be connected in some way. It's also unlikely too, but they had a way of reading them, so it's entirely possible they used one of those cubes too when they disappeared.
It would be hilarious if the Dwarves are just repeatedly sending themselves back in time to keep “re-building” the time machine until they finally get it right. Kinda like an *intentional* time-loop.
I mean, I would totally do that just to coach myself how to date the girls I had a crush on back in highschool, so yeah that seems like a worthwhile endeavor.
It's funny because I once entertained the thought of writing a story about time travelers that go back again and again to help early humans - in an attempt to develop interstellar travel before Earth becomes unable to sustain life.
The dragon scroll, a scroll which sent Alduin forward in time, the scroll of the creatures of time was locked away in Blackreach in a machine capable of reading it. Then we find out that the dwemers built a time machine in Blackreach. I wonder if it is connected.
well they did learn to manipulate the scrolls in a way to decipher what they mean without incurring blindness or madness, so it seems quite possible they used that knowledge to then make a time machine or almost tesseract of sorts to travel space and time, and potentially that "sun" is the tesseract
The dwarves already had the Dragon Elder Scroll, were clearly studying it, and were always tinkering with the laws of nature. Maybe they created this machine to try to discover the secrets of how a dragon break works, and even wanted to try to create their own artificial dragon break that they could control the effects of, instead of relying on an elder scroll or some other cosmic tool of nature or the gods.
That's a solid theory, my dude. I really hope Bethesda makes a Dwemer focused Elder Scrolls one day. Whether its a surviving sect of them somewhere, or a prequel game, I'm all for it. And it would be amazing if that game, or even another Elder Scrolls game focused on a villain initiating several Dragon Breaks, and you are hunting them through time, experiencing different parts of Tamriel at different times. A cool idea would be a procedurally generating map system, where you never know quite where in time you are, even if you recognize where in Tamriel you are. Like it can generate the same area but different depending in what time you're in.
@@Dainith In ES3 Morrowind I think there are some notions that they disppeared without meaning to when Kagrenac tried to use Sunder and Keening on the heart of Lorkhan during the battle at Red Mountain. I don't know what quest with a dagger you're talking about, though.
So basically when we Shout at the artificial sun, we're inadvertently triggering something that drags this poor dragon out of their place in time and space, and then proceeding to kill them and eat their soul?
Wait, so if Shouts are tonal, it makes sense that when you shout at the orb in blackreach (activated by Tonal Manipulation), the dragon appears, because maybe (and it makes that ding noise), you activated it with the voice, summoning the dragon from somewhere in Time and Space...
Especially considering the fact that, in terms of resonance, it would make sense that using a dragon shout would resonate with another dragon. It would be cool to learn the the dragon you summoned was the creator of unrelenting force.
@@nootnoobnoot9484 their breath weapons, as far as what I've seen in the lore, are just the use of the dragon language. I can't remember if it was Paarthernax (the throat of the world) or Durneviir (the dragon trapped in the soul cairn, dawnguard) but they describe combats between dragons being more like conversations or debates. Any dragon can use any shout, because its just speaking their native tongue.
Only sometimes you never visited Blackreach? Hm. Interesting... But why only sometimes? Why not all of the time?! Or not at any time? Or, never a time, per se? Not sure how to phrase that one... But you should visit, M'aiq. The Falmer have very attentive hearing. They would love your stories! Just stay away from their pets. They like to eat Khajiits, so I've heard... Oh, and don't mind the wandering Giant. He's high off of the Crimson Nirnroot, so, I don't suggest going near him...
Everyone always seems to forget that the Elder Scroll you track down during Skyrim's main quest, is found in Blackreach. A scroll that you use to look back *in time*. The scroll's properties are probably what spurred the Dwemer to build their machine. They just mechanized themselves a contraption that had the same space-time bending properties of an Elder Scroll. Or, the scroll itself is required for the machine to work at all, since during ESO, that scroll should still be in Blackreach.
Actually, no. There would be thousands of them there, just only 30 of them would be visible to the naked eye and perceptible to the natural tonal hearing of our present-day mortals.
20:00 I mean the whole plot of Skyrim even revolves around that since Alduin only appears because he was flung forward in time by the legendary warriors so he'd be the problem of somebody else.
@@pedrofernandezpena2 if it were a dragon from some other universe, like Harry Potter, the US Army would definitely succeed. I don't think they'll even be able to hurt Alduin, least of all in his World-Eater form.
A theory i have in regards to the dragon in Blackreach: Couldn't the bones of the dragon have been brought down into the city for study, and once Alduin started roaming around ressurecting dragons, this one was also brought back? I think it would be a pretty rational possibility :)
@@nolandderlugner1351 besides, from what we know what Delphine says...The Dragons that were resurrected so far came from graves in the Rift and Alduin was working forward to the west from there.
@@RenegadeSamurai wel considering delphine blamed the high elves for the dragons coming back she was most likely using you for her own gain just like the blades always have and since she wants parthanax dead she can die in hell
Lol, you fool! Only the Dwarves can make simple mechanical technology and then shove a magic spell up it's ass for no reason. Fantasy colleges do not have a major focusing on Civil Engineering. Or else it turns into another genre.
There actually is evidence of the dwarves having the ability to bend time, its mentioned somewhere that dwarven metal is impervious to time due to its tonal architecture. So they probably werent whizzing around time and space like dr who but instead manipulating it for more local uses
Maybe the dwemer actually came from the future, on accident, hence explaining their technology, and without being able to return settled in Tamriel until they finally figured out time travel and went back to the future?
Nice theory, but it's been made clear that they disappeared because of Kagrenac, who had a different aim. Though of course the only ones left to tell the tale are the Dunmers, and they could have changed stuff here and there.
It’s also stated that the Dwemer civilisation was up and running before the Aldmer spread into Tamriel. It could point to the Dwemer coming from the future and then working towards getting back.
@@simonlarge2052 That said, if the original dwemer generation that was sent back in time died out, then later generations of dwemer probably were fine living in an era where their tech outstripped every other power in the continent.
I have 2 headcanons for dwarves, one lines up with this idea, in that when the dwarves disappeared they went back to before aldmer, this is why they are so advanced, as they basically go back to the beginning of the kalpa. This may or may not be intentional, but it means eventually they should finish their work, though it will take who knows how many cycles of kagrenac
@Hüseyin Furkan Kardiyen the chimer formed a rivalry with the dwemer when the chimer reached resdaayn, now vvardenfell. The dwemer were already super logical used the 15 and 1 tones, which surpassed chimer technology and ability. The snow elves are almost as mysterious as the dwemer as we don't know much about them before their fall, though what we do know is that them and the dwemer seemingly had a rivalry at least going back to the second and possibly the first era in skyrim specifically, we don't know when the falmer reached there or how advanced they were, but we do know that early first era the dwemer had already spread through northern skyrim at least, as that is when the first records of dwemer in the area were. Basically nobody knows where they are from, and when other mer races were just reaching other lands the dwemer were always already there and had already turned from the gods. There are no stories or records of the dwemer in aldmeris and no records of them being anything but mechanical geniuses focused on the tones and logic
Damn I remember my first playthrough as the dragonborn, never having played an elder scrolls game before. Somehow in the first hour I ended up deep in the mountains not understanding how to manage my items so I was over encumbered as I tackled those ruins, somehow avoiding every trap and taking down the golem at the end with level 1 spells. Man I felt like a badass for a solid five minutes outside until a yeti or 3 eyed something jumped out and one shotted me.
@@seanlanders4180 I think it's a reference from when you are brutally murdered by NPC's in Skyrim then they say "must have been my imagination" while you are bleeding out on the floor.
This also corroborates with the College of Winterhold quest Arneil's Endeavor with the weapon Keening. We never know what the blade of the dagger is made of, if memory serves, so it may very well be Aetherium that Arneil strikes the soul gem with, replicating the tonal manipulation.
But then wouldn’t every human of his race disappear too? I never understood that quest because the implication is that he replicated what the Dwemer did but it only affected him…? Really strange to me.
@@Thunderlord_Tozn humans wouldn't disappear bc the soul gem lacks the latent magical power or such an act. The dwemer were using Keening and Sunder on the Heart of Lorkaan, a literal heart of a 'dead' god.
@@Thunderlord_Tozn What he hit is just a soul gem and he only have Keening, now increase it scale all the way up past 11, hit the Heart of Lokhan (the heart of a literal god) with both Keening and Sunder while wearing Wraithguards. What he did here is just a down scaled version yet its enough for him to get transported.
I don't mind because i dont play online mmo's so new lore and speculations from eso is helpful...like the dwarfs disappearance and time travel and stuff like that...the title of the video is kind of clickbate but hey, u gotta do what u gotta do.
It's all discussion of lore, this shouldn't be a surprise if you actually take part in ANY lore discussion/speculation communities. They, and I, can go on for hours talking about these kinds of things. Lore isn't something as simple as getting to the point, because it would end of being convoluted.
Weird theory: crimson nirnroot could’ve been created (the same way farmers breed crops to make new versions of them) from regular nirnroot for the purpose of tonal manipulation
I feel like they use their tonal manipulation to improve it. As it makes weird sounds. Or maybe the atherium rocks that are everywhere caused it to grow like that
@@braydenleclerc5529 The atherium is what I always thought caused the mutation. Tonal manipulation is definitely a good theory, I hadn't thought of it before.
Definitely a possible theory, but since crimson nirnroot is so scattered around the map I don't know if that's right. If they tried to or did breed the species I feel like there would be a highly concentrated area of them, or more near certain areas, after so long there wouldn't still be a neatly arranged crop of them but still higher concentrations closer to where they were being grown or signs that they had been being farmed at one point.
Makes sense, maybe the Dwemer played with it, but there is the quest to find the biologist and his work down there and ultimately collect them. Maybe that guy came to that conclusion, seeing as the normal ones sing and glow. I'll have to go back and read his journal and cross reference with some dwemer books, but an interesting theory
Here it comes: The Dwemer were so advanced because they are in a time loop... they were visited by their future selves, be told about all the technology and how to create it and later Maybe Akatosh sent them back again so time paradoxes would not occur.
So Akatosh tryed to stop the time paradoxes...by creating a time paradoxes? Yes, I am going pulg this execution cord, into it's self, to get more execution. Genuines!
u just invoked the "jin particle" im a bit rusty on remember it all lol been YEARS.. lmao basically what it means is the tech in question.. not the past dwemer or future dewemer... is independent of the dwemer at any time period... and the tech itself ALWAYS existed..... IN AN DOF IT SELF.. dwemer didnt create it.. it exists in and of itself eternally in the spacetime it inhabits... example.. u hear a song from a person long dead.. u like the song butt think u could make improvements... so u go back in time to the person who created the song... give him advice on the song before he comes up with it.. then u go back to ur time.. play his song and its now as u tweak/helped it... so now we have a problem.. he created the song in the past.. u heard it later .. u went back in time and shared the info about the song to the person who then went on to create what u told him.. so u also now created the song.. that is IMPOSSIBLE... the only way .. the ONLY WAY for that to be physically possible is via JIN PARTICAL.. meaning the song ALWASY EXISTED... and neither you nor the person in the past created it.. u'd just thing u did.. despite that this "song" that always existed and just made itself known during the "time" is became "known" which leads u to think u created it... just replace that "song" with "technology" butt this is all pointless cause its game after all.. xb
@@alisteroidtestostereem7816 I think they meant that because of the colourings Vale deer and sabers have, all glowy and blue, its like a nod to Blackreach. Any Falmer cave you go in to it has something that glows usually the mushrooms lol
I remember when I found the dragon legit, I was like "Should I shout at this giant orb? Does it do something?" and boom. Finding a secret without looking it up is one of the best feelings in a game
I just found out the small easter egg in the Museum at Dawnstar. I was trashing the place and came across a lil something something and honestly thought it was a glitch until I looked it up
I like finding places that you would never expect to find also, it's sort of like finding an easter egg. Like when you find kagrenzel for the first time.
lmao that and exploits i randomly discovered the infinite raising stats glitch with soul trap while playing morrowind showing my friends in school made me feel like some kind of sage or wiseman lol
Thaddeus could BE a dwarf, would explain where and when he came from, and, where and when the dwarves went. It would also explain how he KNEW how to fix the orb.
I’m sure it will be. Despite the recent blunders with the Fallout franchise, I don’t think Bethesda will let us down. The way I see it, Elder Scrolls is their baby, and Fallout is just a step child. Sure, they don’t want to go out of their way to make Fallout bad, but I think they at least care far less about the franchise. ES, and Starfield, are Bethesda OPs, and they have no intention of letting them fall on their face.
@Soul of Cinder aight okay wow omg you need a damn medal or sumn sir omg gee how did you get there omg im sure youre the only one who has that amount of time damnnnnnnnn
@Soul of Cinder wow damn a 400 pounds guy living in his parents basement bragging about dedicating his whole life on a fucking game wow g i wanna be just like you
If I recall, didn't that guy who formerly worked at Bethesda claim they tossed around the idea the dwarves disappeared due to messing with time travel? That they were flung several eras into the future, where their technology was basically children's toys by comparison to the factions that existed then and were summarily wiped out? I'm probably misremembering certain aspects, but I guess Bethesda has decided to at least mingle with the idea.
I don’t remember but it one of Fudget Muppet Videos when he discuss the dwarves possibility went to the future when highly advanced civilization and the dwarves where consider primitive and outdated and was essentially fighting for their lives.
IIRC Bethesda said that that was a good idea and stuff but told the players to take it with a grain of salt, as it came from a person who no longer worked at Bethesda. Afterwards they thanked the guy for the work / passion.
@@thedemoman88 That was Michael Kirkbride and he said that either in his AMA on reddit www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/1ptr0o/i_am_michael_kirkbride_ask_me_anything/ or in C0DA, which is considered a fanfic but very informed one.
Stingray the thing to understand with the lore in the elder scrolls is Bethesda takes a hands off approach to what is and isn't canon if there isn't something proving or disproving it's canon it's free real-estate under the pretences of the unreliable narrator
Black Reach is my favorite world space in the game! Honestly, i wish someone on the Nexus would make a mod involving the reclamation of Black Reach, turning it into a settlement.
I saw this vid and looked if I could find any mod projects expanding Blackreach to areas in ESO, but nothing seems to be going on yet... I need that type of mod+ integration with Legacy of Dragonborn, that would be like a Indiana Jones movie or something like that...
What if the Dwemer were teleported back in time to the Merithic Era and started their civilization with knowledge from the future, and that is why they are so advanced?
@@baronofbahlingen9662 Maybe even make the dwemer the 11th playable(excluding mods) hell include a new skill line involving engineering or sound based powers.
That was always the sense I got from Skyrim, that they had a giant interweaving story planned that they didn’t have time to implement. The time warp opened by alduin’s banishment seemed like part of a time travel system that also includes the dragon mask gathering quest where you travel back in time. Really sucks that the coolest stories are all in the dlcs while the main game is anticlimactic and never really amounts to a unified story. This whole Dwarves using tonal manipulation to tap into dragon shout magic with time travel elements seems like it would have been about finding that the dwarves went back in time the way Alduin did and that would have been the main quest. Also explains why the elder scroll was in the dwarven ruins
Learning secrets and mysteries are. One of the things that makes me love the Elder Scrolls universe so much. The creepy secrets and mysteries mysteries are always something that can keep me guessing even after I’ve completed everything in the game. Now we just got a wait 28 more years for Elder Scrolls six to come out.
Erioch Stomp anything to back that claim up? Or you just going off a hunch? Cuz u seem pretty positive of urself maybe I’m missing some news but yes last I heard they needed graphics tech to get caught up to what they’d desire their engine/graphics to run like. Unless it’s something you know personally from an inside source I’d say it’s prob best to not lead others awry cuz that could legit get a grip of fans really bummed when it is that special date and nothing happens. Jus sayin
Wait, if the ball hanging above the city in Blackreach is what does the tonal manipulation, and the dragon shows up when we shout(which is tonal manipulation) at it, then are we the one activating the machine and taking the dragon from wherever it was before?
@@Mabaz holy cow man that's actually insane lol the games been out for so long. I'm amazed some people haven't experienced that run in. My first time fighting him was by accident my controller fell and the shout button was hit activating the event. It was an amazing experience you should go try it out when you can.
Just for the record, there is a way to get to the other side of the impassable door in arkanthamz with out cheating. I actually discovered it by accident when I fell into the river that runs through arkanthamz right near that set of Dwarven rubble with the statue head at the one part in the middle of the ruin. The rubble has a secret entrance next to it that leads to that “impassable” gate. Just thought I’d put that out there.
I feel like to truly show thadius' time travel capabilities, he should've introduced himself with "Ah! It's you again! Oh, forgive me. You haven't met me yet, have you?"
I know right!? They're literally elevators! Does he not realize that lifts and elevators are the same thing? At first I though he would just say they weren't what real life elevators are like, but no. "Elevator like constructions called lifts"
This statement makes no sense. Dragons were created from Akatosh, the god of time. Makes sense that dragon shouts which are an ancient/primal magic can do this already
Tonal manipulation isn't so much as sound manipulation but more like how music is formed through tones through the air(any medium), reality is formed tones/waveforms in Mundus's material if that makes sense. this is similar what string theory irl proposes btw.
With magika you kinda force your way to bend the elements of nature wihtout touching the rules, with tonal manipulation you litterally rewrite the rules. For example i read a book on alteration, and you basically make the elements and events believe they should behave one way instead of another, kinda like setting the lower energy state in physics, the state where all things tend to fall. Like instead of letting a river flow downwards, you make so the lowest potential energy is at the top, so water would start flowing backwards by its own. You are not changing the rules, simply shifting the direction. The rule is still true but the direction it flows is relative. I believe it could have something to do with destruction, illusion and all the others too. With destruction you could simply reverse entropy, maybe with restoration you alter the flow of local time. Illusion uses the concept of relativity, things are there but how they appear is relative just like the direction of time. While conjuration is tied only to comunicating to the different dimensions, although the means of reaching them could be of similar like changing the concept of space or distance. With tonal you can instead rewrite the rules like dragons do when they speak
Wasnt there a saying that Dagoth Ur and his house enjoyed music and its properties that could be used? That they extracted power from the rhythm beating of the Heart of Lorkan
Not I. I've explored blackreach so thoroughly that I remember where every single crimson nirnroot is located, all 20 of them, and I even found the Dragon on my own by accident. In fact there are several books and notes about that suggest blackreach does go far deeper underground, and that it had been flooded. There's even a pumphouse in game where you can turn wheels to lower the water level, needed for finding an item in an certain misc quest, so Nate isn't wrong. I hope he's right about being able to explore more of it in the new game/ dlc/ whatever it is.... If even rebut the game for a third time if that gets added, as, blackreach and hidden vale are my absolute favorite locations ingame. I could explore them for hours.
@@darkerdaemon7794 I feel you. But you said TWENTY my dude, you need to get THIRTY of those feckin things for that quest. I am jealous of your memory though, I only have vague recollections of their locations and wind up wandering all over the place to find them again each time I do that quest. I am very much guilty of finding as many as I can easily, and then just going back after they've regrown. There are at least thirty plants though, I have pushed through and found them all in one go before.
I do like exploring Blackreach, but I have had moments where I struggle to find an elevator out. Not the easiest place to navigate when you just want to get where you're going.
I spent the biggest part of a night (like literally 6 or 7 consecutive hours) just exploring every little bit of black reach on my mage character the first time I played through Skyrim. No guides, prior knowledge, or anything of the sort. Such great memories of a very nice time in my life. Thank you for making me think of it again Nate :)
Hey, I don't really know what to say today. But can we show Skyrim Grandma some love. For those who don't know she's an 80 something year old who loves playing skyrim . And recently people started cyber bullying her on her channel.
Well, Michael Kirkbride (former Bethesda writer) said that Dwemer was sent to the 9th era. But we need to remember that Kirkbride doesnt work at bethesda anymore.
maybe the reason why he doesnt work there anymoer is because bethesda didnt want him to spoil a major upcoming plot? if i know bethesda right they had this planned from the beginning of creating blackreach.
This is actually so dope. Imagine if the dwemer show up in the ES6 and it turns out they were jump forward through space and time. Maybe slowing popping in and it's our job to save them for cool dwemer tech or hunt them for some other reward
If shouts aren’t magic, then why can they be blocked by wards? This is the most annoying thing in skyrim. Like you’re the dragonborn and have this immense amount of power but a little magic shield cast by some random novice can block it.
I think they ARE some kind of magic, just quite different from the common one. Otherwise one couldn't explain why three words spelled by Dovahkiin suddenly turn into massive fire blast xD Nonetheless, unlike any weapons, thu'um is still not physical. Apparently, this is the reason why it can be stopped with a ward. Weird is that it can be stopped even by a novice, though :D
Shouts are words directly translated from the elder scrolls, dragons speak the words of the scrolls, thus gaining world bending powers, in truth a shout is like an author writing a book, you are literally writing, or in this case shouting something into existence. Akatatosh was the great god of time, he made the scrolls, thus the dragons gain the natural talent to understand their words without translation, or even know they are speaking the words of the scrolls. *theory mode deactivated*
It's a game play feature, shouts are implemented as spells, with the use of the console i believe you can cast some of them from your hand. In the lore a shout would most definitely break a ward it's just a feature of the game, same goes for different weapons, elven swords aren't intrinsically better than orcish swords it's just something added to the game for game play purposes.
Shouts are being blocked by some magic shield is because of gameplay balancing. If it were lore wise, shouts wouldn't be blocked as they are powerful enough to destroy chunk of land meaning it's different from the known magic.
@@t84t748748t6 We need to play Oblivion, Daggerfall and Morrowind again and again ;-; Some low-storage older PC's can't handle all of this games i guess
@@julienmorozof8082 No it hasnt. (To clarify, ESO wasn't canon when it first came out and was basically Its own standalone non canon game. So they never followed established lore, rather created their own. Over time they tried crossing ESO into the rest of their ES universe by adding more lore which ended up screwing up a lot of stuff that was already established. Basically everything is now mixed into different parallel timelines that are formed from random cataclysmic events forming the dragon breaks.) It's a clever way of fucking up the lore while also saying it's all canon, even if it's contradicting itself. Pretty cool tho.
Sorry for asking dumb questions but have they added hand magic? I want to play mage in ESO but the fact that you NEED a staff hurts alot :( Also needs more fun combat )
Zurelius I have ESO and stopped playing because of the combat. I like playing spellsword but it’s just not the same. And the sneak in the game is so weird for me, when I want to play a rogue it’s all just weird and annoying. And I got stuck in a quest for a little bit since enemies kept respawning when I had to talk to a character. Makes me mad because I love the style and the stories being told. Wish there was a way to just not fight and just walk around lol
Maybe the artificial sun construct in blackreach in TES5:Skyrim reacts to the tonal energy of the dovahkiins thuum. Then summoning a dragon that can’t be found before shouting at the artificial sun? (As the the construct in the video looks similar to the artificial sun) 🤷🏻♀️
Yes, the city itself no, however the caves and runnels of black reach stretched to almost every dwemer ruin if I recall correctly, either once they made for travel, or naturally occurring ones, along with them mining aetherium, and if I remember, the reason we can't access the tunnels to other ruins is because the dwarves who owned blackreach basically went "we control this super valuable material, and we want it all to are selves"
@@samsonguy10k That is certainly true. A lot of those deeper Falmer caves do look almost identical to Blackreach, and some of them do have Dwemer structures of some sort.
The mystery of all dwemer beings disappearing at once. I like to think someone tried to use tonal manipulation to displace someone in space time, but because of resonance, not only one or a few were targeted by such an "experiment", but all the same beings who would resonate with this frequency vanished. It was during a battle right? So maybe someone tried to make an experimental tactical move with this tech. Some Dwemer somewhere else in time and space has to explain to his friends what happened, maybe trying to revert it, while building a civilisation elsewhere. I love the mystery though.
I like to think they were about to combine all the souls of the dwarves into one super spirit to merge with the Numidium and become a deity. However to do this they had to achieve CHIM and due to the logical nature of dwarves, once this happened they straight zero summed and vanished.
I-- But... But we know what caused it... *This* is why we get sad when we hear you didn't play Morrowind, zoomer! YOu can talk to the last surviving dwarf in Morrowind. You hold the tools that caused the dwamer to vanish in Morrowind, and use them to KILL A GOD!
Todd Howard bringing you another set of "fetch it" quests. Actually, I like the ideas presented in this video. Can only hope ES6 has this much effort and ingenuity put into it. I also hope Grandma's character has a pivotal roll in it.
In your dwemer secrets video you mentioned that Michael kirkbride said that they were sent to the 9th era. Now that we know the dwemer had time manipulation tech maybe what he said is going to be cannon. Why did kirkbride leave Bethesda if he's so good at writing lore?
Same thing that's wrong with the entire company, everyone keeps blaming Bethesda for the bullshit that's been going on lately but the problem is the parent company, Zenimax Media. They're the money grubbing bastards that have been ruining everything ever since oblivion came out. They wanted TES to be more mainstream and have less of the weird stuff that made Morrowind great, it was their decision to get rid of Kirkbride for the most part and now only have him co write lore every now and then, like with knights of the nine.
people love to make a martyr out of MK, but unfortunately truth is a lot simpler. MK wanted to live in the west coast with his gf, but the bethesda HQ is in the east coast. that is the reason he left bethesda. although he does still contribute to elder scrolls games, his writings directly or indirectly can be found in skyrim and eso.
@@solidmentalgrace The tendency to "make a martyr" of him, as you put it, probably comes more from Bethesda's rep these days than anything. Also, regardless of what Gabranicus says, Bethesda themselves have shown often enough that they don't give a damn about anything except the bottom line. Hell, it's enough to see how much they cut from Skyrim (a lot of it for seemingly no good reason) or just outright screwed up when programming the game to get a sense of how bad it is
He mentioned some theories about it in a previous video, cant remember which one. Not sure it's confirmed considering how much he stressed it was a theory in his past video, so when I saw them in this video I was blown away too. Considering he didn't mention them specifically in this video, their connection to blackreach might still be a theory. I was really hoping he would explain them in this video but he didnt
Indeed, maybe we will see him again, maybe even as an unturned snow elf, or even the entire Chapel of Auri-El before the surviving paladin were killed by the turned falmers! Hype.
@@DylanC444 But Darkfall Pit also happens to be full of falmer, those inhabit Blackreach as well and i don't remeber any dwemer facilities in Darkfall Pit, most likely it has an underway connection to Blackreach. It would be disappointing but surprising for them to not include the Forgotten Vale and snow elves into a Blackreach-Vampire-Skyrim focused DLC, those were high points of Dawnguard.
Falmer is the original name of the Snow elves, similar to Altmer being called high elves, or the Dwemer being the Dwarves, etc. Snow elves is a name given to the Falmer by the Nords, describing their skin to be: "As Pale as the Snow itself." Snow Elves call themselves Falmer, but now since they are wretched beast of the underground, the Name Falmer only bring up thoughts of villany and wickedness now.
just a correction " de-evolved" is not a thing. they evolved, just that, just because they're not "civilized" doesn't mean they are in a lower spot in the hierarchy of biological evolution, mostly because there is no "hierarchy of biological evolution"
@@christopheredwards9904 not true, they were the known as the snow elsves, ie "Fall of the Snow Prince". After their de-evolution they were then called falmer, a derogatory term to the snow elves as told to us by the snow elf we speak to during the Dawnguard questline. We call them "Falmer", he refers to his people now as " The Betrayed"
I never thought Vulthuryol was dwelling in Blackreach when we got there, I always thought he only arrived after the Dragonborn summoned him by using Unrelenting Force on the giant glowing orb. If Shouts are a type of tonal manipulation, maybe it's the same thing as Thaddeus Cosma said was happening - tonal manipulation used on the Dwemer machinery was causing creatures from different time periods to be brought to Blackreach. So the giant glowing orb could be a time portal and using Unrelenting Force on it brought Vulthuryol from a different time period. It's too bad we can't use Bend Will on Vulthuryol to speak to him and get some info.
I really hope they do NOT bring the Dwemer back-ever. They work much better as an enigma. Bringing them back would absolutely ruin the mystery. Also, the Dwemer returning would be a Very Bad Thing for every other race on Nirn.
Solitaire I personally hope they never bring back the dwemer in force maybe one or two similar to the one in morrowind they could have been in oblivion
Hello, my name is Thaddeus Cosma, and I am a member of the....Psijic Order! - Finished that one for you. I will speculate further on the "disappearance" of the dwarves: Sadly, I am afraid they did not time travel. They "imperfectly zero-summed". Kagrenak was trying to use tonal architecture to make his entire race into gods just like Vivec, Sotha Sill, and Almalexia did to themselves. We know this because they (The Tribunal) used Kagrenaks notes and tools on the Heart of Lorkhan to grant themselves godhood. If they were notes and tools for time travel, the Tribunal couldn't have used that to become gods. The Heart of Lorkhan had enough power (he was an extremely powerful god) to make a few beings into deities of lesser power, but when diluted over the whole Dwarven race, the process failed and resulted in the ruin of the Dwarves. They failed to achieve Chim, which normally results in a Zero-Sum which erases the god-aspirant entirely from the timeline, as well as all their works and any memory of them. But since the heart's power was so diluted from the attempt to make an entire race of millions into gods, the Zero-Sum was also imperfect, erasing the dwarves themselves but leaving their memory, effect on the timeline up to that point, and works (ruins and such) intact. You find ash piles of disintegrated dwarves in an untouched Dwarven ruin in Mournhold in the Morrowind Tribunal DLC, showing that they did not time travel, but were reduced to dust. Only a very few Dwarves like Yagrum Bagarn were spared because they were visiting other planes at the time and were shielded from this effect. The sun-like Resonators in Blackreach might have been used for a purpose like harvesting raw power from Time, and may go haywire and teleport random creatures, but the Dwarves weren't time-traveling all over the place on purpose. That would fuck with causality after all, and a race that advanced should have known that rampant time travel was a VERY bad idea. Don't fuck with Time.
This evidence you provide is extremely circumstantial. Certainly there's not enough to give any form of validity to this theory. Speculation itself is fine, but there's no point in theory crafting something to this level without proper support. Case in point, if you throw out approximately the last half, the whole statement becomes a lot more believable. Instead, the whole thing sounds ridiculous when taken as a whole
@@Altair1243WAR I provide a LOT of evidence to back up my theory of the Dwarve's disappearance. Did you even READ it? The Cosma part was the stupid, wildly speculative bit just for funsies and an outright guess. But no, the Dwarves part, the part with all the carefully gleaned evidence and lore to back it up, is the part you want to say there is very flimsy support for!?!? We have ourselves another "Dwarves will return!" fanatic who wants to see that so badly in a game he is willing to ignore all the lore and attack anyone who says otherwise. Get stuffed, idiot.
Could it be possible that the dwemmer were so advanced because they sent themselves back in time with there knowledge before they were there and "started" the dwemmer all over again slowly geting more and more advanced every time they went back?
@@Biele98 i'm reminded of the first-hand accounts of the eruption of Mount Vesuvius in 79 AD. One can be at just the right distance to see it all go down and survive to tell the tale.
Does anyone in this comment have a job? Maybe, you could get Tom Hanks up in here and do a Dan Brown cypher about a fictional yet extremely accurate history of Skyrim conspiracy. Or the job thing.
Jason Antonation some people enjoy this stuff. Maybe we should ask if you have a job, since you seem to have time to critique comments on a Skyrim video
First I thought he said somethig else, but the cc clearly shows goblins. Now I can't watch this video anymore cause this dude has an anoying voice and doesn't know shit about the lore.
@@chrismarple Due to the conditions they were under, the snow elves evoled inti Falmer. So, unless the current falmer are all the original snow elvez, yes they are desendants of the snow elves.
The Falmer are Snow Elves that were forced to go into hiding against their will. They've been underground long enough to lose their sight and now they're just hostile creatures.
Bethesda admitted that they had to leave a few hundred planned hours of quests unfinished to make production schedule. There are a lot of little Ester Egg like secrets in all the Elder Scrolls that players found by accident that are the footprints of quests that didn't get into the final game. Modding Marrowind I found entire character dialogue that didn't have a conversation trigger. I'm sure that there were supposed to be more Blackreach quests in Skyrim that we're only just now getting to see.
Maybe the dragon did “die” and it’s skeleton got brought down for study in parts, then Alduin “woke him up” and he reassembled. Kind of like the old prank of taking someone’s car apart and building it on the roof...but reverse and with dragons.
I feel like blackreach was left massively unfinished. It’s legit just a big area with nothing of interest or value in it apart from needing to explore it for the main quest. It has a few random buildings throughout, but it’s mainly just empty and those buildings when entered are tiny and lack anything of value. Probably meant to be a larger part of the game, but ran out of time to make it into what they originally wanted.
I thought it was already established in the lore that the Dwemer dissapeared because of Kagrenac's meddling with the Heart of Lorkhan and the "enlightenment" that resulted from it.
Peter Seaboldt that's still just a theory every one excepts until proven otherwise but in the meantime we know that the dwemer King striking the heart of lorkhan with the too,s resulted in them disappearing
We know they disappeared when they got and messed with Lorkhans heart but we have no idea what happened to them or if their disappearance was them being smote by the Gods or was entirely on purpose. Them also having the dragon scroll of time and this time travel... Stuff going on seems to hint that they had some major plans and might mean they did indeed "poof" away on purpose
I can't remember the author's name and Google isn't helping! But this suggests that the previous Bethesda employee who now writes fanfiction - you've mentioned him in several of your videos - and suggested that the Dwemer were transported into the 9th era might actually have some credibility to it!
Pyro Paragon It’s never been canon-ever. That’s just bullshit the retards from “The Imperial Library” have been spewing for ages. Bethesda has never said C0da is canon, and they largely ignore its existence to this day.
My assumption was that the giant had wandered down some entrance and caused it to collapse because he's so big. I assumed that the Dwemer may have been interested in dragons (since they're the closest thing to deity manifest in ES besides Daedra) and brought down a skeleton to study, which Alduin was able to wake topside, but the dragon couldn't burst out of the ground like the resurrection we witness in game.
Here's an idea. The Reach is a territory in Skyrim. Blackreach is underground. Underground is dark AKA black. Black Reach. Blackreach. Blackreach is underneath the Reach.
people are being so mean about his voice; he’s always talked like this, and its not like he can really do anything about it - apart from calling his voice weird idk what constructive information can be taken from this
I actually enjoy it quite a lot, also his choice of words, hes so careful about this! Oh and lets not forget, he takes good care that everyone can understand him, even people that dont speak english natively.
People just have a problem with how forced it is i guess, he sounds like a 1930's radio host reading bible scripture. I personally don't mind it, i can see people's points though, he needs to just be himself more instead of sounding like he's a dungeon master:/ 90% of us are just here for the video topic not the host
But that would be a time-loop with no start. They wouldn't be able to go back in time to be their own ancestors if they, at some point, didnt start out not being their own ancestors. Otherwise they would be a phenomenon from outside of time, and while that sure is an entertaining thought, it doesn't make any logical sense. It would be the same as asking "what came first, the dwemer or the dwemer?" except both answers are wrong. Neither of them came "first" as it is the same entity going back in time to start it. The only way to have that as a possibility is if they came from "elsewhere" (not Elseweyr), be that a parallel universe, or some third, unthought thought entirely. Nothing can cause its own creation, only the creation of a parallel self.
Nate, dragons shout using magicka as well. In my experience, they literally cannot shout when I drain their magicka. So maybe, tonal manipulation isnt all at play here.
Might be a quirk of the bones the game was made from rather than an intended lore feature. Might also be that the choice to make player shouts use cooldowns instead of the magicka bar was for balance, rather than lore.
Maybe the Blackreach dragon wasn't down there waiting for you to "ring the bell," maybe shouting at that sphere, for a brief moment, reactivated whatever was taking all those creatures from across time and space and bringing them to Blackreach. My headcanon is that this dragon was Miraak's greatest ally, and by summoning him to Blackreach, you ripped him away from a great battle between Miraak and Alduin. You, the dragonborn, are the reason Miraak lost all those centuries ago.
I would be down for hollow nirn theory. It could be a dragon break, to make the planet A, both hollow, and not hollow at the same time to preserve gravity, and also B, have both sides on the outside functionally, but appear to be on the inside to the other, simultaneously.
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"Tonal manipulation is manipulation using tones and sound"
"Dragon shouts are more of tonal manipulation than magic"
Alright, I raise you one more. I'm not saying that large artificial sun is this tonal machine, but what if us activating/using our shouts, our tonal manipulation on that giant gong didn't just make the Dragon wake up from inside Blackreach, but quite literally summoned it?
Ooooo that's really smart!
That's what I was thinking! :D
I thought he was going to say that
Good one! Now we need to shout more at it and see if it summons anything else!
I mean if its the case it should work, right? Unless of course it uses some battery and there left no charge in it.. Or our tu'um broke it.. Yeah, the best thing in these mysteries is that you can make up all the crap you want! :)
*Tonal Manipulation* is adding subtle "ah" at the end of every sentence ending in a consonant.
Ergo, Epic Nate's favorite orator is James Hetfield.
Blackreach was one of the few truly magical moments I had playing Skyrim. Like of course there was the "oh wow!" moments, but Blackreach made me sit back in silence for a moment, just to take it all in. Blackreach by far my favorite area of Skyrim.
Soul Cairn is mine. Both the Soul Cairn & Blackreach are memorable for similar reasons though
@@bbbbbbb51 me is solitude swever
I have to agree with this one, it was actually my first time experiencing it the other day, it was pretty dope, I love all the falmer/snow elf lore. The land scape was phenomenal. I could see how if you've done it 100 times it could be annoying, but for the most part I just like how you get a nice change of scenery from woods and snow lol. I hate the soul cairn tho, probably because I got glitched there before🤣
@@uiuelite there's a sewer in Solitude?
@@bullethail3875 yup and if you have spécial edition you can visite it after the special quest the merchant kaijit guive to you
It would be really cool if they somehow connected the “Time Wound” at the Throat of the World to all this Blackreach/time-travel stuff.
You mean all the wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff? Plus Dragons? Yeah...my motorcycle helmet will not contain the contents of my cranium if those two universes collide. I mean, I'm just barely holding it together as is.
Wasnt the time-wound caused by the elder scroll? But wasn't the same elder scroll also located in the blackreach? Hmmm
They kind of do. The Elder Scroll that leaves the time wound is hidden in Blackreach. Maybe the dwarves didn't vanish into thin air. Maybe they cast themselves into the future so that they could give their experiments mature and come to fruition.
@@Morrowynd From what I remember the dwarves didn't use the Scroll to disappear, instead they used the Heart of Lorkhan in an act of desperation when the elven alliance was about to defeat them. The same experiment is re-enacted in the college of winterhold as well when one of them asks you to find. the dagger Keening and uses it to hit a soul gem then he disappears. Because of this I doubt that the dwarves disappeared intentionally since I think they were trying to use the heart of Lorkhan to defeat their enemies instead. Been years since I read about this though so they might've changed it in ESO.
@@MrGameNightmare That's true, but it is possible that Elder Scroll could somehow be connected in some way. It's also unlikely too, but they had a way of reading them, so it's entirely possible they used one of those cubes too when they disappeared.
It would be hilarious if the Dwarves are just repeatedly sending themselves back in time to keep “re-building” the time machine until they finally get it right. Kinda like an *intentional* time-loop.
So… a bootstrap paradox?
I mean, I would totally do that just to coach myself how to date the girls I had a crush on back in highschool, so yeah that seems like a worthwhile endeavor.
It's funny because I once entertained the thought of writing a story about time travelers that go back again and again to help early humans - in an attempt to develop interstellar travel before Earth becomes unable to sustain life.
Ever played Outer Wilds?
The dragon scroll, a scroll which sent Alduin forward in time, the scroll of the creatures of time was locked away in Blackreach in a machine capable of reading it. Then we find out that the dwemers built a time machine in Blackreach. I wonder if it is connected.
well they did learn to manipulate the scrolls in a way to decipher what they mean without incurring blindness or madness, so it seems quite possible they used that knowledge to then make a time machine or almost tesseract of sorts to travel space and time, and potentially that "sun" is the tesseract
Don’t forget that when arniel
Gane used keening on the warped soul gem he disappeared
Clearly the dwarves were after something big and greater than anything we've ever seen in TES
Allan Of El Salvador hopefully they’ll be some type off Easter egg with 6
Kyle Marsh oh shit....
The dwarves already had the Dragon Elder Scroll, were clearly studying it, and were always tinkering with the laws of nature. Maybe they created this machine to try to discover the secrets of how a dragon break works, and even wanted to try to create their own artificial dragon break that they could control the effects of, instead of relying on an elder scroll or some other cosmic tool of nature or the gods.
That's a solid theory, my dude. I really hope Bethesda makes a Dwemer focused Elder Scrolls one day. Whether its a surviving sect of them somewhere, or a prequel game, I'm all for it. And it would be amazing if that game, or even another Elder Scrolls game focused on a villain initiating several Dragon Breaks, and you are hunting them through time, experiencing different parts of Tamriel at different times. A cool idea would be a procedurally generating map system, where you never know quite where in time you are, even if you recognize where in Tamriel you are. Like it can generate the same area but different depending in what time you're in.
I thought they left, don't you do a quest explaining that, the one with the dagger
I still like the theory of the dwarves discovered they were in a video game and the winked out of existence better but this my second favorite.
@@monkeysk8er33 That would be a really cool idea if Bethesda ever wanted to bring back the Elder Scrolls Adventures title! I'd play it :D
@@Dainith In ES3 Morrowind I think there are some notions that they disppeared without meaning to when Kagrenac tried to use Sunder and Keening on the heart of Lorkhan during the battle at Red Mountain. I don't know what quest with a dagger you're talking about, though.
So basically when we Shout at the artificial sun, we're inadvertently triggering something that drags this poor dragon out of their place in time and space, and then proceeding to kill them and eat their soul?
Lmao!
you can make anything sound garbage if you tone it like that
Sounds about right!
@@LgiovanniF You can't make anything written by Bethesda not sound like garbage
Yup and it was delicious
I got so lost in black reach I rage quit and had my mom get me out.
Y u no use Clairvoyance?
Really ? Are you 7??
Your mom is a god
It's not that big
@@michaelcrabtree9 ageed
Wait, so if Shouts are tonal, it makes sense that when you shout at the orb in blackreach (activated by Tonal Manipulation), the dragon appears, because maybe (and it makes that ding noise), you activated it with the voice, summoning the dragon from somewhere in Time and Space...
Especially considering the fact that, in terms of resonance, it would make sense that using a dragon shout would resonate with another dragon. It would be cool to learn the the dragon you summoned was the creator of unrelenting force.
@@T-Mobull though the dragon use fire breath
@@nootnoobnoot9484 just play Tje Elder Scrolls online the dragon use way more shouts
@@nootnoobnoot9484 they can use shouts too also some even use fuz roh dah
@@nootnoobnoot9484 their breath weapons, as far as what I've seen in the lore, are just the use of the dragon language. I can't remember if it was Paarthernax (the throat of the world) or Durneviir (the dragon trapped in the soul cairn, dawnguard) but they describe combats between dragons being more like conversations or debates.
Any dragon can use any shout, because its just speaking their native tongue.
"M'aiq never has visited Blackreach. Only sometimes - from time to time."
Only sometimes you never visited Blackreach? Hm. Interesting... But why only sometimes? Why not all of the time?! Or not at any time? Or, never a time, per se? Not sure how to phrase that one...
But you should visit, M'aiq. The Falmer have very attentive hearing. They would love your stories!
Just stay away from their pets. They like to eat Khajiits, so I've heard...
Oh, and don't mind the wandering Giant. He's high off of the Crimson Nirnroot, so, I don't suggest going near him...
The Immortal Madness sounds like the ravings of a mad man
@@theimmortalmadness8010 You think M'aiq fears a giant!? M'aiq fears none because all fear M'aiq!
@@Subarashii_Nem M'aiq even fears himself, but at the same time, he's too brave to feel fear, so M'aiq gets tired often, go bother somebody else.
Ma'iq never actually says this tho
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Everyone always seems to forget that the Elder Scroll you track down during Skyrim's main quest, is found in Blackreach. A scroll that you use to look back *in time*.
The scroll's properties are probably what spurred the Dwemer to build their machine. They just mechanized themselves a contraption that had the same space-time bending properties of an Elder Scroll. Or, the scroll itself is required for the machine to work at all, since during ESO, that scroll should still be in Blackreach.
This seams like a legitimate reason, I would honestly like to see this explored more
0:35 then you remember it's a Bethesda game so the population would be 30 at max.
Ey! did you heard that?
**Mods**
Actually, no. There would be thousands of them there, just only 30 of them would be visible to the naked eye and perceptible to the natural tonal hearing of our present-day mortals.
Actually if it were tes 1 or 2 it would be around 750,000 NPC's.
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@Vance Jacobs I'd watch that
@Vance Jacobs I mean the Witcher got one, but that was a book first
20:00 I mean the whole plot of Skyrim even revolves around that since Alduin only appears because he was flung forward in time by the legendary warriors so he'd be the problem of somebody else.
I imagine the US Army taking down a dragon in five seconds 😂
@@pedrofernandezpena2 but in reality they'd like to capture it alive for research which would be harder and resulting in more trouble
@@pedrofernandezpena2 if it were a dragon from some other universe, like Harry Potter, the US Army would definitely succeed. I don't think they'll even be able to hurt Alduin, least of all in his World-Eater form.
Lol people forget alduin can't even killed in mortal realm that's why dragonborn traveled to sovengarde to kill him
technically accidentally made it someone else's problem xD they wanted to get rid of him for good tbf
A theory i have in regards to the dragon in Blackreach: Couldn't the bones of the dragon have been brought down into the city for study, and once Alduin started roaming around ressurecting dragons, this one was also brought back? I think it would be a pretty rational possibility :)
But aldiun needs to be near s dragon thomb and say some stuff to it
@@nolandderlugner1351 besides, from what we know what Delphine says...The Dragons that were resurrected so far came from graves in the Rift and Alduin was working forward to the west from there.
I wonder how Alduin got down there... Think he stuck his head through the dirt and rock like an ostrich? A plausible assumption, I would think.
@@RenegadeSamurai wel considering delphine blamed the high elves for the dragons coming back she was most likely using you for her own gain just like the blades always have and since she wants parthanax dead she can die in hell
@@theimmortalmadness8010 there are elevators dog...
i just imagine the dwarves being teleported to a modern day tamriel with cars and indoor plumbing
Imagine them appearing before EDM artists, now that's fair
Indoor plumbing already exists in the Elder Scrolls universe.
Maybe they were sent to the 9th era.
Lol, you fool! Only the Dwarves can make simple mechanical technology and then shove a magic spell up it's ass for no reason. Fantasy colleges do not have a major focusing on Civil Engineering. Or else it turns into another genre.
That seems plausible
There actually is evidence of the dwarves having the ability to bend time, its mentioned somewhere that dwarven metal is impervious to time due to its tonal architecture.
So they probably werent whizzing around time and space like dr who but instead manipulating it for more local uses
This could be why you see him wearing dwarven metal armor too!
"a dead, dwarven archaeologist"
You mean that she was an archaeologist studying dwarves right? 'Cause she was actually a Nord when alive...
Liar
I SEE PAST YOUR DECEITFULNESS M'AIQ
@Gwen Bloodmoon r/wooosh
@Gwen Bloodmoon You obviously pay great attention to detail
@@felmiers liar
Maybe the dwemer actually came from the future, on accident, hence explaining their technology, and without being able to return settled in Tamriel until they finally figured out time travel and went back to the future?
Nice theory, but it's been made clear that they disappeared because of
Kagrenac, who had a different aim. Though of course the only ones left to tell the tale are the Dunmers, and they could have changed stuff here and there.
It’s also stated that the Dwemer civilisation was up and running before the Aldmer spread into Tamriel. It could point to the Dwemer coming from the future and then working towards getting back.
@@simonlarge2052 That said, if the original dwemer generation that was sent back in time died out, then later generations of dwemer probably were fine living in an era where their tech outstripped every other power in the continent.
I have 2 headcanons for dwarves, one lines up with this idea, in that when the dwarves disappeared they went back to before aldmer, this is why they are so advanced, as they basically go back to the beginning of the kalpa. This may or may not be intentional, but it means eventually they should finish their work, though it will take who knows how many cycles of kagrenac
@Hüseyin Furkan Kardiyen the chimer formed a rivalry with the dwemer when the chimer reached resdaayn, now vvardenfell. The dwemer were already super logical used the 15 and 1 tones, which surpassed chimer technology and ability.
The snow elves are almost as mysterious as the dwemer as we don't know much about them before their fall, though what we do know is that them and the dwemer seemingly had a rivalry at least going back to the second and possibly the first era in skyrim specifically, we don't know when the falmer reached there or how advanced they were, but we do know that early first era the dwemer had already spread through northern skyrim at least, as that is when the first records of dwemer in the area were.
Basically nobody knows where they are from, and when other mer races were just reaching other lands the dwemer were always already there and had already turned from the gods. There are no stories or records of the dwemer in aldmeris and no records of them being anything but mechanical geniuses focused on the tones and logic
The real secret is they found todd howards chess club in the college of winterhold
They finally found out who’s laughing now.
I think you may be missnaken for Todd Howard's creation club, easy mix up my thane
@@cazhalsey8877 no. Just no
@@cazhalsey8877 This made me spit out my watered-down beer.
Damn I remember my first playthrough as the dragonborn, never having played an elder scrolls game before. Somehow in the first hour I ended up deep in the mountains not understanding how to manage my items so I was over encumbered as I tackled those ruins, somehow avoiding every trap and taking down the golem at the end with level 1 spells. Man I felt like a badass for a solid five minutes outside until a yeti or 3 eyed something jumped out and one shotted me.
the udefrykte?
you mean a snow troll?
imagine a random warrior who knows he'll soon die, eaten by a dragon and suddenly the dragon vanishes for no reason
Must've been the wind
Praise the divines
@@KebabWarlord idk if that was a final destination reference, ima just assume it was and like your comment.
@@drillbitt4426 its a reference to sneaking away after attacking NPCs
@@seanlanders4180 I think it's a reference from when you are brutally murdered by NPC's in Skyrim then they say "must have been my imagination" while you are bleeding out on the floor.
This also corroborates with the College of Winterhold quest Arneil's Endeavor with the weapon Keening. We never know what the blade of the dagger is made of, if memory serves, so it may very well be Aetherium that Arneil strikes the soul gem with, replicating the tonal manipulation.
But then wouldn’t every human of his race disappear too? I never understood that quest because the implication is that he replicated what the Dwemer did but it only affected him…? Really strange to me.
@@Thunderlord_Tozn maybe because he was not as knowledgeable and had less powerful components the destruction was not as widespread
@@Thunderlord_Tozn humans wouldn't disappear bc the soul gem lacks the latent magical power or such an act. The dwemer were using Keening and Sunder on the Heart of Lorkaan, a literal heart of a 'dead' god.
@@Thunderlord_Tozn What he hit is just a soul gem and he only have Keening, now increase it scale all the way up past 11, hit the Heart of Lokhan (the heart of a literal god) with both Keening and Sunder while wearing Wraithguards. What he did here is just a down scaled version yet its enough for him to get transported.
M'aiq knows this. He also knows there is a Blacker Reach where the greatest mystery can be answered - who took all of M'aiq's calipers.
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And who has coin?
You lie
Does M’aiq know that there’s actually the Blackest Reach?
@@sexysaurusrex548 "M'aiq knows much, and tells some. M'aiq knows many things others do not."
Blackreach is larger than previously thought and the dwarves used teleportation. That took 20 minutes to explain.
But dude, don't you see how lore it is
I don't mind because i dont play online mmo's so new lore and speculations from eso is helpful...like the dwarfs disappearance and time travel and stuff like that...the title of the video is kind of clickbate but hey, u gotta do what u gotta do.
Thank you! This video takes too long to get to the point, by the end of the video I wouldn't even know what was the secret.
It's all discussion of lore, this shouldn't be a surprise if you actually take part in ANY lore discussion/speculation communities. They, and I, can go on for hours talking about these kinds of things. Lore isn't something as simple as getting to the point, because it would end of being convoluted.
@@Sighmir Do you like podcasts?
Weird theory: crimson nirnroot could’ve been created (the same way farmers breed crops to make new versions of them) from regular nirnroot for the purpose of tonal manipulation
I believe crossbreeding is the term you're looking for
I feel like they use their tonal manipulation to improve it. As it makes weird sounds. Or maybe the atherium rocks that are everywhere caused it to grow like that
@@braydenleclerc5529 The atherium is what I always thought caused the mutation. Tonal manipulation is definitely a good theory, I hadn't thought of it before.
Definitely a possible theory, but since crimson nirnroot is so scattered around the map I don't know if that's right. If they tried to or did breed the species I feel like there would be a highly concentrated area of them, or more near certain areas, after so long there wouldn't still be a neatly arranged crop of them but still higher concentrations closer to where they were being grown or signs that they had been being farmed at one point.
Makes sense, maybe the Dwemer played with it, but there is the quest to find the biologist and his work down there and ultimately collect them.
Maybe that guy came to that conclusion, seeing as the normal ones sing and glow.
I'll have to go back and read his journal and cross reference with some dwemer books, but an interesting theory
Here it comes: The Dwemer were so advanced because they are in a time loop... they were visited by their future selves, be told about all the technology and how to create it and later Maybe Akatosh sent them back again so time paradoxes would not occur.
So Akatosh tryed to stop the time paradoxes...by creating a time paradoxes?
Yes, I am going pulg this execution cord, into it's self, to get more execution. Genuines!
@@fristnamelastname5549 better one than many
u just invoked the "jin particle"
im a bit rusty on remember it all lol been YEARS.. lmao
basically
what it means is the tech in question.. not the past dwemer or future dewemer... is independent of the dwemer at any time period... and the tech itself ALWAYS existed..... IN AN DOF IT SELF.. dwemer didnt create it..
it exists in and of itself eternally in the spacetime it inhabits...
example..
u hear a song from a person long dead.. u like the song butt think u could make improvements... so u go back in time to the person who created the song... give him advice on the song before he comes up with it.. then u go back to ur time.. play his song and its now as u tweak/helped it...
so now we have a problem.. he created the song in the past.. u heard it later .. u went back in time and shared the info about the song to the person who then went on to create what u told him.. so u also now created the song.. that is IMPOSSIBLE...
the only way .. the ONLY WAY for that to be physically possible is via JIN PARTICAL.. meaning the song ALWASY EXISTED... and neither you nor the person in the past created it.. u'd just thing u did.. despite that this "song" that always existed and just made itself known during the "time" is became "known" which leads u to think u created it...
just replace that "song" with "technology"
butt this is all pointless cause its game after all.. xb
Kinmoon is starting to have a more believable story
the appearance of Vale Deer would imply that the Vale, also added by Dawnguard, is connected to Blackreach in some way
@@alisteroidtestostereem7816 I think they meant that because of the colourings Vale deer and sabers have, all glowy and blue, its like a nod to Blackreach. Any Falmer cave you go in to it has something that glows usually the mushrooms lol
lol
Too bad you couldn't make armour from it. That would look so cool. Teal glowing stripes. Is there a mod
Imagine living in such a beatiful place but you're blind.
I don’t even think they have eyes lol
I can't see the point of it
(pun intended)
@@polotakeo2080
If you have an HD texture and zoom in, they DO technically still have eyes. They're just, super fucking shriveled-up and tiny.
@@polotakeo2080 They do.
I remember when I found the dragon legit, I was like "Should I shout at this giant orb? Does it do something?" and boom. Finding a secret without looking it up is one of the best feelings in a game
Same.
I just found out the small easter egg in the Museum at Dawnstar. I was trashing the place and came across a lil something something and honestly thought it was a glitch until I looked it up
I like finding places that you would never expect to find also, it's sort of like finding an easter egg. Like when you find kagrenzel for the first time.
When i saw that artificial sun idk what's got into me and just shouted on it unconsciously xD xD xD
lmao that and exploits i randomly discovered the infinite raising stats glitch with soul trap while playing morrowind showing my friends in school made me feel like some kind of sage or wiseman lol
Thaddeus could BE a dwarf, would explain where and when he came from, and, where and when the dwarves went. It would also explain how he KNEW how to fix the orb.
Hes imperial. Maybe he traveled back to study them when they were still there
Zayne13 honestly the future could be under dwemer control
Kinmoon
Game is almost 10 years old and we are still learning new things, I hope TES 6 is even half as good
I bet it'll be like smash ultimate, the best it's going to be and never better
It’s supposed to be two times as long as Skyrim
I’m sure it will be. Despite the recent blunders with the Fallout franchise, I don’t think Bethesda will let us down. The way I see it, Elder Scrolls is their baby, and Fallout is just a step child. Sure, they don’t want to go out of their way to make Fallout bad, but I think they at least care far less about the franchise. ES, and Starfield, are Bethesda OPs, and they have no intention of letting them fall on their face.
Plus after 76 they know if they mess up elder scrolls 6 they're fucked
Air Plane deadass 💀
1:40 bro... honestly I think the developers just threw some books in there without thinking too much about it
*9 YEARS LATER* Nate:
Maybe Nate was a time traveler himself that has just waited for the right moment to tell us all this?
The books seems to be random aswell, since ive found that Argonian Maid book in there once LOL
Wait you can summon a dragon in blackreach by shouting at a glowing orb? I put almost 500 hours in Skyrim and this is news to me.
😶
@Soul of Cinder aight okay wow omg you need a damn medal or sumn sir omg gee how did you get there omg im sure youre the only one who has that amount of time damnnnnnnnn
@Soul of Cinder wow damn a 400 pounds guy living in his parents basement bragging about dedicating his whole life on a fucking game wow g i wanna be just like you
@@hafiyidzham9899 oh look a sad guy that just wants to hate on people to make himself feel better.
@@marvinamor1330 oh look a guy instigating
If I recall, didn't that guy who formerly worked at Bethesda claim they tossed around the idea the dwarves disappeared due to messing with time travel? That they were flung several eras into the future, where their technology was basically children's toys by comparison to the factions that existed then and were summarily wiped out? I'm probably misremembering certain aspects, but I guess Bethesda has decided to at least mingle with the idea.
...please, send me a link or something about this.
I don’t remember but it one of Fudget Muppet Videos when he discuss the dwarves possibility went to the future when highly advanced civilization and the dwarves where consider primitive and outdated and was essentially fighting for their lives.
IIRC Bethesda said that that was a good idea and stuff but told the players to take it with a grain of salt, as it came from a person who no longer worked at Bethesda.
Afterwards they thanked the guy for the work / passion.
@@thedemoman88 That was Michael Kirkbride and he said that either in his AMA on reddit www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/1ptr0o/i_am_michael_kirkbride_ask_me_anything/ or in C0DA, which is considered a fanfic but very informed one.
Stingray the thing to understand with the lore in the elder scrolls is Bethesda takes a hands off approach to what is and isn't canon if there isn't something proving or disproving it's canon it's free real-estate under the pretences of the unreliable narrator
Black Reach is my favorite world space in the game! Honestly, i wish someone on the Nexus would make a mod involving the reclamation of Black Reach, turning it into a settlement.
*Preston loved that*
Ask the guy making the forts and towers and dungeons reclaiming lol but it will break the lore if that happeneds
I saw this vid and looked if I could find any mod projects expanding Blackreach to areas in ESO, but nothing seems to be going on yet... I need that type of mod+ integration with Legacy of Dragonborn, that would be like a Indiana Jones movie or something like that...
TheLazyFinn looks like it’s off to Reddit and to ask about it 😂
What if the Dwemer were teleported back in time to the Merithic Era and started their civilization with knowledge from the future, and that is why they are so advanced?
Predestination Paradox?
Or, they went far into the future.
In some future TES, we might have to deal with the 'invasion of the dwemer'.
Samuel Isaac that’s a great idea for a story in like ES 7 or something
@@baronofbahlingen9662 Maybe even make the dwemer the 11th playable(excluding mods) hell include a new skill line involving engineering or sound based powers.
@@baronofbahlingen9662 Yes, ES 7, coming out early spring 3045
That was always the sense I got from Skyrim, that they had a giant interweaving story planned that they didn’t have time to implement. The time warp opened by alduin’s banishment seemed like part of a time travel system that also includes the dragon mask gathering quest where you travel back in time. Really sucks that the coolest stories are all in the dlcs while the main game is anticlimactic and never really amounts to a unified story. This whole Dwarves using tonal manipulation to tap into dragon shout magic with time travel elements seems like it would have been about finding that the dwarves went back in time the way Alduin did and that would have been the main quest. Also explains why the elder scroll was in the dwarven ruins
Learning secrets and mysteries are. One of the things that makes me love the Elder Scrolls universe so much. The creepy secrets and mysteries mysteries are always something that can keep me guessing even after I’ve completed everything in the game. Now we just got a wait 28 more years for Elder Scrolls six to come out.
I'm so curious when the elder scrolls 6 is coming out it feels like never honestly
2021 or 2022 if it didn't come that time 2100
OK Yeah, most likely, Todd Howard said that the technology that they want for their vision for TES6 isn’t out yet. Bummer
@@OK-ym1jb
No. Bethesda recently confirmed they're years away from sharing any news about it. So, that likely means 2025 at the earliest.
Erioch Stomp anything to back that claim up? Or you just going off a hunch? Cuz u seem pretty positive of urself maybe I’m missing some news but yes last I heard they needed graphics tech to get caught up to what they’d desire their engine/graphics to run like. Unless it’s something you know personally from an inside source I’d say it’s prob best to not lead others awry cuz that could legit get a grip of fans really bummed when it is that special date and nothing happens. Jus sayin
Crimson Nirnroot could be tied to the vampires, that would be pretty cool.
They are
They drop from vampire harrowstorms, which are like vampire portal things.
@@wwefuk7719 what? They're just in the ground in blackreach the hell are you on
Wait, if the ball hanging above the city in Blackreach is what does the tonal manipulation, and the dragon shows up when we shout(which is tonal manipulation) at it, then are we the one activating the machine and taking the dragon from wherever it was before?
Exactly, he didn't say it, but it is quite self explanatory
Yup so they weren't their prior to the shout that activates it. So that's a pretty cool touch to it's original use.
I don't really use shouts, so I never used any shout inside the cave on any of my saves. I never met the dragon and didn't know about it until now!
@@Mabaz holy cow man that's actually insane lol the games been out for so long. I'm amazed some people haven't experienced that run in. My first time fighting him was by accident my controller fell and the shout button was hit activating the event. It was an amazing experience you should go try it out when you can.
Nice Choice Instructions unclear, dropped my controller on the ground and it broke. Now I have no controller.
Just for the record, there is a way to get to the other side of the impassable door in arkanthamz with out cheating. I actually discovered it by accident when I fell into the river that runs through arkanthamz right near that set of Dwarven rubble with the statue head at the one part in the middle of the ruin. The rubble has a secret entrance next to it that leads to that “impassable” gate. Just thought I’d put that out there.
Well obviously the dwarves were trying to save Fry's dog.
I see you in so many places I least expect des lol
How dare you.
Shouldn't we all be trying to do that? I legit cried a bit at that episode.
I hope they succeeded.
and just when i was done crying
thanks
I feel like to truly show thadius' time travel capabilities, he should've introduced himself with
"Ah! It's you again! Oh, forgive me. You haven't met me yet, have you?"
Nah, he just walks up, removes his [insert decorative clothing], says "There, you see?" and walks off.
Todd Howard jumping a gift shark in the mouth? Yeah... Can see that.
The first thing he should've said is "RUN!"
Pathfinder Kingmaker did something like that with a character. It was a nice take on it
Very River Song of you
"Elevator like constructions called lifts"
Oh, so the dwemer are actually just regular British folks, mystery solved xd
I know right!? They're literally elevators! Does he not realize that lifts and elevators are the same thing? At first I though he would just say they weren't what real life elevators are like, but no. "Elevator like constructions called lifts"
Well, if he's an American it might be understandable, but I don't know where he's from, so...
That's why Brit are so pale! They live underground.
Teleki Zalán he’s definitely American you can tell from his manner of speech. To most of us a “lift” is when you give someone a ride in your car.
Wait so the dwemer are actually the English that were transported from the distant past.... well that explains why they speak so funny....:P
10:30 Darkfall cave is also hinted at being in blackreach- and is in western skyrim. It has Aetheriam deposits, and even the same mushrooms.
I like how this also explains why you can use a shout to slow time
This statement makes no sense. Dragons were created from Akatosh, the god of time. Makes sense that dragon shouts which are an ancient/primal magic can do this already
It actually increases how fast you think, which is why you can't move faster during it.
I don't think you're actually slowing time, it's just speeding up how fast you think/perceive
Tonal manipulation isn't so much as sound manipulation but more like how music is formed through tones through the air(any medium), reality is formed tones/waveforms in Mundus's material if that makes sense. this is similar what string theory irl proposes btw.
I'm now imagining a Dwarf duel where they both agressivly play the Ukulele at each other as things randomly combust around them
@@beywheelzhater8930 That's not it but it would be hilarious.
With magika you kinda force your way to bend the elements of nature wihtout touching the rules, with tonal manipulation you litterally rewrite the rules.
For example i read a book on alteration, and you basically make the elements and events believe they should behave one way instead of another, kinda like setting the lower energy state in physics, the state where all things tend to fall. Like instead of letting a river flow downwards, you make so the lowest potential energy is at the top, so water would start flowing backwards by its own. You are not changing the rules, simply shifting the direction. The rule is still true but the direction it flows is relative. I believe it could have something to do with destruction, illusion and all the others too. With destruction you could simply reverse entropy, maybe with restoration you alter the flow of local time. Illusion uses the concept of relativity, things are there but how they appear is relative just like the direction of time. While conjuration is tied only to comunicating to the different dimensions, although the means of reaching them could be of similar like changing the concept of space or distance.
With tonal you can instead rewrite the rules like dragons do when they speak
Wasnt there a saying that Dagoth Ur and his house enjoyed music and its properties that could be used? That they extracted power from the rhythm beating of the Heart of Lorkan
@@SuperRitz44 so what your saying is I can have a ukulele wizard duel?
It's amazing how you find all this stuff down there when every time I end up in Blackreach all I can think of is "how the heck do I get out of here."
while most players just want to figure out how to gtfo, nate wants to get in and break down even millimeter of potential
I think all players discover things in Blackreach while trying to get out there.
Not I. I've explored blackreach so thoroughly that I remember where every single crimson nirnroot is located, all 20 of them, and I even found the Dragon on my own by accident. In fact there are several books and notes about that suggest blackreach does go far deeper underground, and that it had been flooded. There's even a pumphouse in game where you can turn wheels to lower the water level, needed for finding an item in an certain misc quest, so Nate isn't wrong. I hope he's right about being able to explore more of it in the new game/ dlc/ whatever it is.... If even rebut the game for a third time if that gets added, as, blackreach and hidden vale are my absolute favorite locations ingame. I could explore them for hours.
@@darkerdaemon7794 I feel you. But you said TWENTY my dude, you need to get THIRTY of those feckin things for that quest. I am jealous of your memory though, I only have vague recollections of their locations and wind up wandering all over the place to find them again each time I do that quest. I am very much guilty of finding as many as I can easily, and then just going back after they've regrown. There are at least thirty plants though, I have pushed through and found them all in one go before.
I do like exploring Blackreach, but I have had moments where I struggle to find an elevator out. Not the easiest place to navigate when you just want to get where you're going.
I spent the biggest part of a night (like literally 6 or 7 consecutive hours) just exploring every little bit of black reach on my mage character the first time I played through Skyrim. No guides, prior knowledge, or anything of the sort. Such great memories of a very nice time in my life. Thank you for making me think of it again Nate :)
Hey, I don't really know what to say today. But can we show Skyrim Grandma some love. For those who don't know she's an 80 something year old who loves playing skyrim . And recently people started cyber bullying her on her channel.
Oh hell no that is a no no for us in this community let's band together to take down her trolls
Shirley curry?
@@kareneldridge2160 yeah
Oh no no, that is not okay
I was pissed when i found out
Well, Michael Kirkbride (former Bethesda writer) said that Dwemer was sent to the 9th era. But we need to remember that Kirkbride doesnt work at bethesda anymore.
maybe the reason why he doesnt work there anymoer is because bethesda didnt want him to spoil a major upcoming plot? if i know bethesda right they had this planned from the beginning of creating blackreach.
9th era? I thought that C0DA takes place in the 5th era?
Michael Kirkbride also wrote a story about the world ending in the 5th era. Nothing he said has been canon since Oblivion came out.
MrJalmari kirkbride came up with many theory's just like the zero summed and yea he no longer works at Bethesda
Wait...that guy who no longer works for Bethesda...didn't he say that the Dwarves were sent forward in time to the 9th era?
Yes, Nate even mentioned it in one of his previous videos
Micheal Kirkbride is Akatosh, and C0DA and KINMUNE are canon.
Only things he said after leaving Bethesda are canon
Yea, I am wondering why Nate didn't mentioned that in this video. Like, he mentioned it over and over again in his previous videos.
Yes, this expansion putting his writing about it, into plausibly canon.
This is actually so dope. Imagine if the dwemer show up in the ES6 and it turns out they were jump forward through space and time. Maybe slowing popping in and it's our job to save them for cool dwemer tech or hunt them for some other reward
If shouts aren’t magic, then why can they be blocked by wards? This is the most annoying thing in skyrim. Like you’re the dragonborn and have this immense amount of power but a little magic shield cast by some random novice can block it.
I think they ARE some kind of magic, just quite different from the common one. Otherwise one couldn't explain why three words spelled by Dovahkiin suddenly turn into massive fire blast xD
Nonetheless, unlike any weapons, thu'um is still not physical. Apparently, this is the reason why it can be stopped with a ward. Weird is that it can be stopped even by a novice, though :D
Shouts are words directly translated from the elder scrolls, dragons speak the words of the scrolls, thus gaining world bending powers, in truth a shout is like an author writing a book, you are literally writing, or in this case shouting something into existence. Akatatosh was the great god of time, he made the scrolls, thus the dragons gain the natural talent to understand their words without translation, or even know they are speaking the words of the scrolls. *theory mode deactivated*
It's a game play feature, shouts are implemented as spells, with the use of the console i believe you can cast some of them from your hand. In the lore a shout would most definitely break a ward it's just a feature of the game, same goes for different weapons, elven swords aren't intrinsically better than orcish swords it's just something added to the game for game play purposes.
Shouts are being blocked by some magic shield is because of gameplay balancing. If it were lore wise, shouts wouldn't be blocked as they are powerful enough to destroy chunk of land meaning it's different from the known magic.
Fine, you win, I'm reinstalling Skyrim.
It's half past 5 am here and I'm binging your TES videos btw, quite a good pastime
never uninstalled it at al
@@t84t748748t6 We need to play Oblivion, Daggerfall and Morrowind again and again ;-;
Some low-storage older PC's can't handle all of this games i guess
Heyy, time-zone buddies xD
@@hr473 sory i lied i did get a new pc 2 times so it was not instaled al the time but exsept for minecraft skyrim got to be my most played game
@@t84t748748t6 Did u already tried other Elder Scrolls Games?^^
Well I'll be damned, ESO is actually trying to keep in tune with Elderscrolls lore AND explain some things from previous games. I'm proud of them
Meridia Temple explained.
It's always been like that lol
@@julienmorozof8082
No it hasnt.
(To clarify, ESO wasn't canon when it first came out and was basically Its own standalone non canon game.
So they never followed established lore, rather created their own.
Over time they tried crossing ESO into the rest of their ES universe by adding more lore which ended up screwing up a lot of stuff that was already established.
Basically everything is now mixed into different parallel timelines that are formed from random cataclysmic events forming the dragon breaks.)
It's a clever way of fucking up the lore while also saying it's all canon, even if it's contradicting itself.
Pretty cool tho.
Sorry for asking dumb questions but have they added hand magic? I want to play mage in ESO but the fact that you NEED a staff hurts alot :( Also needs more fun combat )
Zurelius I have ESO and stopped playing because of the combat. I like playing spellsword but it’s just not the same. And the sneak in the game is so weird for me, when I want to play a rogue it’s all just weird and annoying. And I got stuck in a quest for a little bit since enemies kept respawning when I had to talk to a character. Makes me mad because I love the style and the stories being told. Wish there was a way to just not fight and just walk around lol
Maybe the artificial sun construct in blackreach in TES5:Skyrim reacts to the tonal energy of the dovahkiins thuum. Then summoning a dragon that can’t be found before shouting at the artificial sun? (As the the construct in the video looks similar to the artificial sun) 🤷🏻♀️
Title: *A Very Big Skyrim Secret Has Just Been Revealed*
Bethesda: $60 DLC
or $20 and huge by CD projekt red
Or an expansion for a completely different game that wasn't even made for Bethesda.
Horse Armor is the real secret.
the real secret is not letting your dad know you used his CC to buy all this DLC
@@blank___blackasd CDPR is getting that full $80 from me when CP2077 comes out
I remember a book in Skyrim saying Blackreach did extend throughout the entirety of Skyrim, and maybe even a bit beyond.
Yes, the city itself no, however the caves and runnels of black reach stretched to almost every dwemer ruin if I recall correctly, either once they made for travel, or naturally occurring ones, along with them mining aetherium, and if I remember, the reason we can't access the tunnels to other ruins is because the dwarves who owned blackreach basically went "we control this super valuable material, and we want it all to are selves"
Guitar Nerd blackreach is under all of skyrim we go to an unexplored area in the new exsapnsion in ESO
There are dungeons in Skyrim ES5 where you enter spaces that feel like Blackreach and may actually be cut-off areas.
@@YOGI-kb9tg oh sick, I might pick up eso just for that,
@@samsonguy10k That is certainly true. A lot of those deeper Falmer caves do look almost identical to Blackreach, and some of them do have Dwemer structures of some sort.
The mystery of all dwemer beings disappearing at once. I like to think someone tried to use tonal manipulation to displace someone in space time, but because of resonance, not only one or a few were targeted by such an "experiment", but all the same beings who would resonate with this frequency vanished. It was during a battle right? So maybe someone tried to make an experimental tactical move with this tech. Some Dwemer somewhere else in time and space has to explain to his friends what happened, maybe trying to revert it, while building a civilisation elsewhere. I love the mystery though.
I like to think they were about to combine all the souls of the dwarves into one super spirit to merge with the Numidium and become a deity. However to do this they had to achieve CHIM and due to the logical nature of dwarves, once this happened they straight zero summed and vanished.
I-- But... But we know what caused it... *This* is why we get sad when we hear you didn't play Morrowind, zoomer! YOu can talk to the last surviving dwarf in Morrowind. You hold the tools that caused the dwamer to vanish in Morrowind, and use them to KILL A GOD!
it actually involves a gauntlet, a sword, a gods heart and a gigantic mech/ dwemer robot... but oookaaayyy
Todd Howard bringing you another set of "fetch it" quests. Actually, I like the ideas presented in this video. Can only hope ES6 has this much effort and ingenuity put into it. I also hope Grandma's character has a pivotal roll in it.
Grandma is revealed to be the last dwemer left
She definitely deserved a big role! Love her so much
@@Skibbutz Cool! I didn't know that! Thank you for the information!
Shes also taking a break because of toxic commentary on her vids. I hope shes ok
Who?
I think one of the Deadric princess found a way to teleport them to the "End of Time". Thus getting an inconvenience out of the way.
In your dwemer secrets video you mentioned that Michael kirkbride said that they were sent to the 9th era. Now that we know the dwemer had time manipulation tech maybe what he said is going to be cannon. Why did kirkbride leave Bethesda if he's so good at writing lore?
he was too good
Same thing that's wrong with the entire company, everyone keeps blaming Bethesda for the bullshit that's been going on lately but the problem is the parent company, Zenimax Media. They're the money grubbing bastards that have been ruining everything ever since oblivion came out. They wanted TES to be more mainstream and have less of the weird stuff that made Morrowind great, it was their decision to get rid of Kirkbride for the most part and now only have him co write lore every now and then, like with knights of the nine.
people love to make a martyr out of MK, but unfortunately truth is a lot simpler. MK wanted to live in the west coast with his gf, but the bethesda HQ is in the east coast. that is the reason he left bethesda. although he does still contribute to elder scrolls games, his writings directly or indirectly can be found in skyrim and eso.
@@solidmentalgrace The tendency to "make a martyr" of him, as you put it, probably comes more from Bethesda's rep these days than anything. Also, regardless of what Gabranicus says, Bethesda themselves have shown often enough that they don't give a damn about anything except the bottom line. Hell, it's enough to see how much they cut from Skyrim (a lot of it for seemingly no good reason) or just outright screwed up when programming the game to get a sense of how bad it is
Wouldn't it be crazy if all this is to bring the Dwemer back in Elder Scrolls 6
YESS!! Or if you could play as a dwemer or snowelf
this is what I’m PRAYING for
This is what my nightmare is
I'm so early that red mountain hasn't erupted yet
What is that pfp 😂
@@jj-vd6ls
It's Zone-Tan from a comic "Orc Safari"
I'm so late that Kvatch is a smoking ruin
Im so Early an Imperial battle mage Betrayed the Emperor and sent some poor smuck to prison.
I'm so late that the Dwemer are setting siege to Tamriel again.
12:15 are those Vale deer?! Does that mean that cave part leading up to the forgotten Vale is part of Blackreach!?
He mentioned some theories about it in a previous video, cant remember which one. Not sure it's confirmed considering how much he stressed it was a theory in his past video, so when I saw them in this video I was blown away too. Considering he didn't mention them specifically in this video, their connection to blackreach might still be a theory. I was really hoping he would explain them in this video but he didnt
Remember as well, that we know that the snow elf vampire who was in the forgotten vale was ancient enough to have written a fake prophecy
Indeed, maybe we will see him again, maybe even as an unturned snow elf, or even the entire Chapel of Auri-El before the surviving paladin were killed by the turned falmers! Hype.
No, I think it has to do what he said in the video. How the dwarven machine was teleporting animals and beasts from all over Tamriel to Blackreach
@@DylanC444 But Darkfall Pit also happens to be full of falmer, those inhabit Blackreach as well and i don't remeber any dwemer facilities in Darkfall Pit, most likely it has an underway connection to Blackreach. It would be disappointing but surprising for them to not include the Forgotten Vale and snow elves into a Blackreach-Vampire-Skyrim focused DLC, those were high points of Dawnguard.
“Fallen goblin slaves.” Aren’t the Falmer just de-evolved light elves?
yeah, deevolved snow elves conditioned to evolve blindness and become feral from basically being the dwarves' slaves
@@zekrom2359 Yup, I wonder if Nate even has played that part of Skyrim since he uses those terms.
Falmer is the original name of the Snow elves, similar to Altmer being called high elves, or the Dwemer being the Dwarves, etc. Snow elves is a name given to the Falmer by the Nords, describing their skin to be: "As Pale as the Snow itself." Snow Elves call themselves Falmer, but now since they are wretched beast of the underground, the Name Falmer only bring up thoughts of villany and wickedness now.
just a correction " de-evolved" is not a thing. they evolved, just that, just because they're not "civilized" doesn't mean they are in a lower spot in the hierarchy of biological evolution, mostly because there is no "hierarchy of biological evolution"
@@christopheredwards9904 not true, they were the known as the snow elsves, ie "Fall of the Snow Prince". After their de-evolution they were then called falmer, a derogatory term to the snow elves as told to us by the snow elf we speak to during the Dawnguard questline. We call them "Falmer", he refers to his people now as " The Betrayed"
I never thought Vulthuryol was dwelling in Blackreach when we got there, I always thought he only arrived after the Dragonborn summoned him by using Unrelenting Force on the giant glowing orb. If Shouts are a type of tonal manipulation, maybe it's the same thing as Thaddeus Cosma said was happening - tonal manipulation used on the Dwemer machinery was causing creatures from different time periods to be brought to Blackreach. So the giant glowing orb could be a time portal and using Unrelenting Force on it brought Vulthuryol from a different time period. It's too bad we can't use Bend Will on Vulthuryol to speak to him and get some info.
This sounds like a set up to bring the Dwemer back Alduin style, not sure how I feel about that.
I really hope they do NOT bring the Dwemer back-ever. They work much better as an enigma. Bringing them back would absolutely ruin the mystery. Also, the Dwemer returning would be a Very Bad Thing for every other race on Nirn.
@@Jimmyinvictus it would be pretty fun. Like a "every race unites vs the dwemers"
@@kalodawg8297 the second great war but so, so much worse, pretty much
Solitaire I personally hope they never bring back the dwemer in force maybe one or two similar to the one in morrowind they could have been in oblivion
Its probably a bad Idea but I'm so exited that they might put the dwemer in the game or at least and old dwemer companion
“total manipulation is not really magic...it’s Todd selling us Skyrim again”
tonal not total...
@@SevCaswell I think he spelt it like that intentionally and it was part of the joke
Hello, my name is Thaddeus Cosma, and I am a member of the....Psijic Order! - Finished that one for you.
I will speculate further on the "disappearance" of the dwarves: Sadly, I am afraid they did not time travel. They "imperfectly zero-summed". Kagrenak was trying to use tonal architecture to make his entire race into gods just like Vivec, Sotha Sill, and Almalexia did to themselves. We know this because they (The Tribunal) used Kagrenaks notes and tools on the Heart of Lorkhan to grant themselves godhood. If they were notes and tools for time travel, the Tribunal couldn't have used that to become gods. The Heart of Lorkhan had enough power (he was an extremely powerful god) to make a few beings into deities of lesser power, but when diluted over the whole Dwarven race, the process failed and resulted in the ruin of the Dwarves. They failed to achieve Chim, which normally results in a Zero-Sum which erases the god-aspirant entirely from the timeline, as well as all their works and any memory of them. But since the heart's power was so diluted from the attempt to make an entire race of millions into gods, the Zero-Sum was also imperfect, erasing the dwarves themselves but leaving their memory, effect on the timeline up to that point, and works (ruins and such) intact. You find ash piles of disintegrated dwarves in an untouched Dwarven ruin in Mournhold in the Morrowind Tribunal DLC, showing that they did not time travel, but were reduced to dust. Only a very few Dwarves like Yagrum Bagarn were spared because they were visiting other planes at the time and were shielded from this effect. The sun-like Resonators in Blackreach might have been used for a purpose like harvesting raw power from Time, and may go haywire and teleport random creatures, but the Dwarves weren't time-traveling all over the place on purpose. That would fuck with causality after all, and a race that advanced should have known that rampant time travel was a VERY bad idea. Don't fuck with Time.
This evidence you provide is extremely circumstantial. Certainly there's not enough to give any form of validity to this theory. Speculation itself is fine, but there's no point in theory crafting something to this level without proper support. Case in point, if you throw out approximately the last half, the whole statement becomes a lot more believable. Instead, the whole thing sounds ridiculous when taken as a whole
@@Altair1243WAR I provide a LOT of evidence to back up my theory of the Dwarve's disappearance. Did you even READ it? The Cosma part was the stupid, wildly speculative bit just for funsies and an outright guess. But no, the Dwarves part, the part with all the carefully gleaned evidence and lore to back it up, is the part you want to say there is very flimsy support for!?!? We have ourselves another "Dwarves will return!" fanatic who wants to see that so badly in a game he is willing to ignore all the lore and attack anyone who says otherwise. Get stuffed, idiot.
Could it be possible that the dwemmer were so advanced because they sent themselves back in time with there knowledge before they were there and "started" the dwemmer all over again slowly geting more and more advanced every time they went back?
Point of accuracy: Skyrim happens in 4E 200. The red year is 4E 5 so red mountain eruption was 195 years prior to Skyrim not 20
Moreover, Red Mountain erupted after Vivec City was struck by Baar Dau so being there at this time would be quite impossible (or fatal at least).
@@Biele98 i'm reminded of the first-hand accounts of the eruption of Mount Vesuvius in 79 AD. One can be at just the right distance to see it all go down and survive to tell the tale.
Jesus we got some Skyrim historians here
Does anyone in this comment have a job? Maybe, you could get Tom Hanks up in here and do a Dan Brown cypher about a fictional yet extremely accurate history of Skyrim conspiracy. Or the job thing.
Jason Antonation some people enjoy this stuff. Maybe we should ask if you have a job, since you seem to have time to critique comments on a Skyrim video
Am i the only one just a teeny tiny bit annoyed that he refered to the Snow Elves as goblins?
No
I'm with you. Lol
Same here
First I thought he said somethig else, but the cc clearly shows goblins. Now I can't watch this video anymore cause this dude has an anoying voice and doesn't know shit about the lore.
@@kwando472 he usually gets it right, and usually calls the falmer "goblin esque" and stuff like that, nobody's perfect
The Falmer aren’t goblins though. They’re the descendants on the Snow Elves. Goblins are their own race.
They aren’t descendants of the snow elves they are the snow elves but because of what the dwemer did to them they turned into the falmer
@@chrismarple Due to the conditions they were under, the snow elves evoled inti Falmer. So, unless the current falmer are all the original snow elvez, yes they are desendants of the snow elves.
Reveion thus making them descendants of the Snow Elf
The Falmer are Snow Elves that were forced to go into hiding against their will. They've been underground long enough to lose their sight and now they're just hostile creatures.
@@eugenethomas1636 No, they were betrayed by the Dwemer.
If you notice the "dwarven device is the artificial sun in skyrim's blackreach
Yeah, was waiting for that to be mentioned, and a shout, a tonal manipulation created by dragons, summons a dragon? Doesn't seem like a coincidence
I’m loving these longer videos you’re doing, Nate. They really help to illuminate some issues you’ve only touched on.
I was today years old when I found out you could fight a dragon in Blackreach by shouting at the glowing orb
Bruh same. Ive been needing a dragon soul
I love how this game has been out for 12 years and there are still things a lot of people don't know!
I figured it out on accident the first time I went in there and I was very surprised when something happened after i shouted into the sky
Bethesda admitted that they had to leave a few hundred planned hours of quests unfinished to make production schedule. There are a lot of little Ester Egg like secrets in all the Elder Scrolls that players found by accident that are the footprints of quests that didn't get into the final game. Modding Marrowind I found entire character dialogue that didn't have a conversation trigger.
I'm sure that there were supposed to be more Blackreach quests in Skyrim that we're only just now getting to see.
Has to be the full shout
I fear no man,
But that thing,
*blackreach*
It scares me
One shudders to imagine what inhuman things lie in it's depths
Nameless Things that gnaw at the center of the Earth.
Maybe the dragon did “die” and it’s skeleton got brought down for study in parts, then Alduin “woke him up” and he reassembled.
Kind of like the old prank of taking someone’s car apart and building it on the roof...but reverse and with dragons.
Maybe dragon got trapped to melt their metal? And by using shouts, he might've caused tonal manipulation to weaken Aetherium?
Blackreach is hands down my favorite place in skyrim to go. I've been playing since 2011 and it still wows me. Gorgeous
With how skyrim was made I can only imagine like 10-12 dwemer throughout the whole dwemer city 😂😂
and he said there was 4 dwarven factions. 3 dwarves per faction
@Aspiring Marauder How's it feel to look through the eyes of Pelinal?
@Aspiring Marauder yeah that sounds accurate
@Aspiring Marauder TES 101
You also have to count in that stuff in ESO seems even smaller then even Skyrim, just look at the city maps.
Its 2020 and Skyrim secrets are still being revealed ... I like this.
I feel like blackreach was left massively unfinished. It’s legit just a big area with nothing of interest or value in it apart from needing to explore it for the main quest.
It has a few random buildings throughout, but it’s mainly just empty and those buildings when entered are tiny and lack anything of value.
Probably meant to be a larger part of the game, but ran out of time to make it into what they originally wanted.
I thought it was already established in the lore that the Dwemer dissapeared because of Kagrenac's meddling with the Heart of Lorkhan and the "enlightenment" that resulted from it.
Peter Seaboldt that's still just a theory every one excepts until proven otherwise but in the meantime we know that the dwemer King striking the heart of lorkhan with the too,s resulted in them disappearing
We know they disappeared when they got and messed with Lorkhans heart but we have no idea what happened to them or if their disappearance was them being smote by the Gods or was entirely on purpose.
Them also having the dragon scroll of time and this time travel... Stuff going on seems to hint that they had some major plans and might mean they did indeed "poof" away on purpose
I can't remember the author's name and Google isn't helping! But this suggests that the previous Bethesda employee who now writes fanfiction - you've mentioned him in several of your videos - and suggested that the Dwemer were transported into the 9th era might actually have some credibility to it!
Micheal Kirkbride's C0DA? It's been canon since ESO's first expansion.
Pyro Paragon
It’s never been canon-ever. That’s just bullshit the retards from “The Imperial Library” have been spewing for ages. Bethesda has never said C0da is canon, and they largely ignore its existence to this day.
@@pyroparagon8945 CODA is not canon. It's fanfiction by a former bethesda employee.
I feel an argument about to spawn. I'll be here.
@@pyroparagon8945 C0DA is canon because C0DA makes it canon. Don't let anyone tell you any different!
The Falmer weren't goblins. They were yet another race of elves.
Snow elves gone mad without vitamin D
Yup, snow elves betrayed by the Dwemer
They were the snow elves
I like watching this guys videos, but every once in a while, he gets a detail very wrong.
I was like, they literally have goblins in the existing lore..
My assumption was that the giant had wandered down some entrance and caused it to collapse because he's so big. I assumed that the Dwemer may have been interested in dragons (since they're the closest thing to deity manifest in ES besides Daedra) and brought down a skeleton to study, which Alduin was able to wake topside, but the dragon couldn't burst out of the ground like the resurrection we witness in game.
Lol so the Dwarves built a delorean and vanished... seems legit xD
They made like a tree and leaves Tamriel.
Something something Pelinal Whitestrake will be back.
If you shout REEEEEEMAN in blackreach he will
@@maxgrozema1093 "I heard that you're called 'fal-MER'?" proceeds to drive them to extinction
"Hey, how's it goi..." GET TO THE SECRET!
Here's an idea. The Reach is a territory in Skyrim. Blackreach is underground. Underground is dark AKA black. Black Reach. Blackreach. Blackreach is underneath the Reach.
people are being so mean about his voice; he’s always talked like this, and its not like he can really do anything about it - apart from calling his voice weird idk what constructive information can be taken from this
I actually enjoy it quite a lot, also his choice of words, hes so careful about this!
Oh and lets not forget, he takes good care that everyone can understand him, even people that dont speak english natively.
I think he's in depth, well spoken and awesome. I really like the content he puts out.
I actually didn't even noticed haha
People just have a problem with how forced it is i guess, he sounds like a 1930's radio host reading bible scripture. I personally don't mind it, i can see people's points though, he needs to just be himself more instead of sounding like he's a dungeon master:/ 90% of us are just here for the video topic not the host
If you think this is bad, check out Sernando...
Calling it now, the dwemer went back in time to become their own ancestors.
But that would be a time-loop with no start. They wouldn't be able to go back in time to be their own ancestors if they, at some point, didnt start out not being their own ancestors. Otherwise they would be a phenomenon from outside of time, and while that sure is an entertaining thought, it doesn't make any logical sense. It would be the same as asking "what came first, the dwemer or the dwemer?" except both answers are wrong. Neither of them came "first" as it is the same entity going back in time to start it. The only way to have that as a possibility is if they came from "elsewhere" (not Elseweyr), be that a parallel universe, or some third, unthought thought entirely. Nothing can cause its own creation, only the creation of a parallel self.
Time is made of Circels im aware of the concept
-Caboose in Red vs blue
@@PoorWax you forgot the elder scrolls has something called dragon breaks shit like this has happened multiple times before
@@PoorWax woooooooosh
Also known as "past nastification."
Nate, dragons shout using magicka as well. In my experience, they literally cannot shout when I drain their magicka. So maybe, tonal manipulation isnt all at play here.
Might be a quirk of the bones the game was made from rather than an intended lore feature. Might also be that the choice to make player shouts use cooldowns instead of the magicka bar was for balance, rather than lore.
Maybe the Blackreach dragon wasn't down there waiting for you to "ring the bell," maybe shouting at that sphere, for a brief moment, reactivated whatever was taking all those creatures from across time and space and bringing them to Blackreach.
My headcanon is that this dragon was Miraak's greatest ally, and by summoning him to Blackreach, you ripped him away from a great battle between Miraak and Alduin.
You, the dragonborn, are the reason Miraak lost all those centuries ago.
That is a very funny thought.
"Blackreach is bigger than we though."
Is Nate introducing the...
Hollow Nirn Theory?
no just hollow Skyrim and its not a theory Blackreach was confirmed to span all across Skyrim long before eso was even planned
I would be down for hollow nirn theory. It could be a dragon break, to make the planet A, both hollow, and not hollow at the same time to preserve gravity, and also B, have both sides on the outside functionally, but appear to be on the inside to the other, simultaneously.
wake up sheeple, Nirn is flat!