Well done CSJ has raised some very relevant questions which nobody in Parluament has raised or answered. Now when Lee Hsien Yang raises some doubt about the 2 Ministers sincerity, he is now threatened with legal suits. Is this 2 Ministers so arrogant now that they can even threaten other Singaporeans who have raised further doubts about there sincerity in the whole matter ? Is PAP becoming a CCP type government when it comes to silencing its critics ?
Hello, CCP is different la. Get yr head straightened out. Firstly, it isnt the US bogey man CCP, it is CPC la. Read up pls. 2ndly they have put back the UK Opium forced-fed Chinese Civilisation back on its glorious path since 5000 yrs ago, incl yr ah kong, lau cho kong and yourself - got it? PAP is different , an entitled bunch of power crazy & greedy " natural aristocrats" as they had called themselves who had inherited the good LKY gvt.
Pap are a modern communist country , they have all the tools to silent any allegations against them and they will do what it takes to ensure that there is no transparency in pap
@@firefly4326The relevant points are: 1. When the government did not allow multi-generational living but they do otherwise…no moral leadership 2. When the minister asked his secretary to pass him the SLA list for personal reasons…no professionalism 3. When the ministers’ wives (not the ministers) who commit to the rental contracts which (may intentionally or unintentionally)no shown their names…no transparency. If they did not do anything wrong, why not just put their name on the dotted line and be transparent?
Opposition parties are also citizens. They and their families, children also have a stake in Singapore. Yet so many of them hv been sued, expelled, charged under this and that. This National Day, we want to give a special appreciation to thank all the opposition parties, for their courage, for boldly speaking out, for raising questions and providing alternative views.
Providing "alternative views" is not the same as delivering better outcomes. Views are just opinions and talk rhetoric. Only PAP politicians risk their reputation and incomes to deliver better for majority of singaporeans, not the Oppositions with their self-interest and personal revenge agenda.
@@scbchong6964 Hi, I used to be a pap supporter, but after watching parliamentary debates in the last couple of years, I began to sympathise with the opposition party MPs, and really appreciate them for their courage and for risking everything. More than ever, I began to understand why we must not give the gov a blank cheque, because indeed they hv made mistakes that affected us, our children and our nation, eg raising GST during worsening inflation, and causing food, and services to become so expensive. So we really need the opposition parties to check and ask questions, just like we need to check the parachute before jumping off the helicopter. I also hope both sides can devote more energy on important matters of the country, but fierce attacks on the opposition (eg Committee of Privileges and police investigations on Raeesah Khan case) will naturally invite fierce counterattacks, not only from the opposition parties, but also from commoners who began to sympathise with the latter. And about ‘delivering better outcomes’, you can understand that only the gov can do the actual executing, implementing and delivering, because the opposition has no access 🚫 to the machinery of the Civil Service, and so, they can only speak up about their alternative views, and we have seen that they did propose many workable ideas.
I've to point out one thing. When Chee's old boss, Chiam was around, he was the one suing the PAP. So how is it now that when Chee is in charge, it's now the PAP suing him? Every time Chee makes one of his stupid mistakes, I really wonder if he is a PAP spy sent in to damage the opposition because I can't possibly imagine how you can sabo your own team so badly accidentally.
@@danielc2701 The opposition politicians hate the PAP for sure, but do they care and love Singapore and all singaporeans? Two separate issues, hor. Opposition bears a grudge and vengeful against PAP, but can they deliver better? Or is it just personal agenda? Just because they are Opposition, they don't spew propaganda, lies, rhetoric and BS? Opposition politicians behave holier-than-thou with too much self-interest, self-importance and fat ego. Just because someone blame loudly does not mean that person is an angel or a saint. If you have worked long enough, you will know that those who complain and blame others the most, actually contribute the least and have bad attitude.
We vote for the leaders/ministers to work and find solutions for people problems. Have you forgotten you are the public servants to serve the people? You have no moral authority to rule over the people because of injustice practice !
Mr Chee expresses so well what we instinctively feel inside but don't have the so precise and accurate words which describes our suppressed feelings of unfairness. Wish you a miraculous success in the Quixote mission of your life.😊
Please don't take us for granted and take us for a ride as if we are so naive about things that are happening around us. Some of us are still struggling to keep our head above the water with unemployment after the COVID pandemic and yet you ministers have the cheek to splurge yourselves with luxury of life just because you love and wanted to. LHL you have lost the moral compasses when you failed to discipline your ministers.
The reason they take us for granted is that they are those in the "us" that are strongly on their side.And that these people see the rest as an ungrateful lot who do not see the good done.
Moral leadership. Well stated. You've nailed it. IMO, the whole saga is stupid. The system is wrong and yet they use it and stated they follow the system and all are not wrong. The SLA head needs to drop.
Agree Sagas are Stupid… Not be surprised if we soon have an Ong Beng Seng Hospital or similar to join ranks with Khoo Teck Phuat & Ng Teng Fong Hospitals … Our Government is Malfunctioning 😊
"'...it's very simple.! It's like Israel and the little GAZA strip.! The Ridout Road bungalow represents Israel and the HDB heartlands represents the GAZA strip.! Simple examples.!!!"'😳🙄😬🤨😡☝️
This pappy garment is very mysterious, It makes me wonder what surprises they may spring on us next. Their sense of entitlement is so evident that there are no words to describe it, and we don't need any more pappy remarks to explain it away or sweep it under the rug. Their fishy bones are still lodged in everyone's throat, causing permanent scars.
What entitlement? Ridout bungalows ALL singaporeans can rent. Furthermore, only singaporeans can buy landed property GCB. Isn't that a privilege? It is only left to your talent and skills to earn a high wage to afford the things you desire in life. Ministers also never steal your 5-rm HDB and keep for themselves lah.
Besides the two Ministers mentioned, it appears that the Prime Minister is the first among ministers to falter in the capacity of moral leadership. This type of government has to go.
@@TerenceTHNg Yeah but Chee isn't the moral leadership we need either. He might talk nice but like when he saboed his mentor Chiam, if you got something he wants, he'll run you over too. So pot and kettle.
@@danielc2701nobody is perfect, that's why we need a mutual monitoring system. Can only be achieved with a balance of power, not the current 80pap versus 10. Thus, need more wp, tcb, sdp, rp, np, etc to monitor the rulers' integrity, morality, quality & transparency.
@@jam729 Don't talk cock lah. Have to pay vehicle commander so high just for him to point finger and shout instructions without him able to drive and control the vehicle better than the experienced driver? If you are driver, you accept? You obviously not working and not paying any property, income or road taxes yet.
Once you are an untouchable, you are an untouchable. No matter how big and expensive the things you have, be it a house, a car, a holiday, etc you would still cant have them in dignity, elegance and glamour.
You obviously don't know the history of him and his "comrades". Go read up SDP history then come back and say this again. Just because you want to chase away the wolf at your front door does not mean you should be sub-letting to a tiger.
Ownself check ownself Government and the ministers have used this sentence openly. In other words, YES we admit to that and what can you do about it? Well, Singapore is already down the drain. There is no point raising anything. Our ministers behave like mouse in front of large nation government officials whilst behaving like lords in front of Singaporeans.
If they behave like mice with bigger nations, we wld hv long been trampled over n lost our sovereignty n not be the city state with 1 of the biggest reserves in de world, attracting investors n bldg up.
@@cymei60 No offence but I believe that Credit should go to the United States and the West whom provides the Security Singapore has under the United Nations framework. Had it not been the case, Singapore could VERY well end up like Hong Kong and Taiwan. Being claimed as simply a Province of Communist China “since ancient times”… However, the problem also lies with CORPERATE America to turn a BLIND eye to Autocrats so long as they Buy American made Military weapons.
@@Callsign-Blade_RunnerSG Im aware. Sg is smart with treaties n memorandums n co-operation. The govt advocated for usa to retain military presence in sth east asia when usa started mvg/reducing forces out before n during trumps era. This is to the chagrin of china. N our govt was subjected to censure frm china. Remember the terrex case? Philippines, sth koreans administration also had to grapple with their critical citizens calling for usa military removal. Its only when china increasingly staked their claims over spratly n military bld-up that changed the outlook.
@@leechengho8407 I hold a different view here. Most Singaporean of the younger generation value money more than anything else. Morality? They will agree with you face-to-face but laugh at you behind your back. This is the degeneration era. Have no doubts about it.
@kwoowoo828 not all are degenerative. Pls have hope, that there are young citizens who are capable, of good character, wise, and well connected with what's happening around them.
In addition to renting large SLA houses, are the two ministers renting out their good-class bungalow (GCB) for a much larger rental than what they are paying SLA. If this is true, then they are not only staying in large landed property they are also making a huge gain monthly. APAP MP asked this question in Parliament but DPM TCH said the ministers do not have to answer the question.
then the answer is so obvious lor, they definitely benefited but no gut to tell the truth. pinky is lousy in his management, make the whole place so messy before he dies
What do you expect Chee Hean to say? You seriously think Chee Hean is idiotic enough not to know what Shanmugam is digging for himself and him? Hahahahahahahahahaha... ... Face it. When it comes to reserves, it should take another Indian ministers to bang these two Indian ministers, which is Tharman. He made known to be going for Presidency, but I would bet my last underwear that Tharman whom many wanted to be PM won't straighten his back and use his last moments in Parliament to voice out against the Indian ministers. And sister Ho Ching... ... I was DEEPLY disappointed that as top office of Temasek that she said those things... ... when she should be aware of asset valuation concerns of a Temasek which is in investment. What she said... ... makes it very worrying of how the funds are doing... ... I was expecting her to bed-tell Loong about the seriousness of this matter, no need any political common sense. Sigh... ... I knew about this for 'quite a while', and was hoping to see how Loong handles it since in his last days as PM, he should be more mature, and ready... ... as a PM. Aiya... ... He is so not like his daddy.
@@knowyourprofile Look, Shanmugam obviously tried to pull Chee Hean in... ... IF anything does happen and it does happen, he 'consulted'... ... What do you expect Chee Hean to do? To be dragged down by the Indian ministers? He knows he can't approve of Shanmugam's which is obviously... ... 'not so approve-able', else he would have just come in an said he totally agreed and supported, hence approved Shanmugam's... ... You look at how embarrassed a usually rigid Chee Hean was at parliament having to present himself because of Shanmugam... ... Aiya... ... If you are in his shoes, you can't approve and drag yourself in successfully by Shanmugam, what can you say? What can you do? Gimme a break. Tell me Chee Hean doesn't know already Shanmugam's is a corruption case, that'd be kinda surprise. He was obviously stuck.
Honestly CSJ should ask about the coerced covid vaccinations and the multiple injuries and deaths that ensued after that instead of this saga, not to mention people can't get a job and income for months if they refused to take the covid jab. That's even more morally bankrupt.
I don't like CSJ but he's right this time, multi-gen living is impossible nowadays, it makes it difficult to look after elderly parents. The ministers are gonna pay a high price for their rental. It's not wrong or even morally wrong but it's politically VERY unpopular.
Majority voters have, for nearly 60 years, given away the Powers that made us afraid of speaking up. Afraid of Pofma , afraid of speaking up boldly like a man
Also massive change is usually preceded by massive pain. Singaporeans by and large are born into comfort. The last generation in Singapore that truly suffered and had fight in them are also sadly now a rapidly thinning herd, as they die off…Every generation after that was born into spectacular progress and comfort (some luxury). In general our struggles are mostly what you would call 1st world problems. The “pain” we go through is not enough for us to effect change and to do whatever it takes to make ourselves heard. Those that govern us know this and so adjust their will on us while subjugating our voice just within the threshold of our collective tolerance. I know I sound cynical but I have seen enough to believe they is no end to this other than tapping out and leaving the country for those you can.
We have never "given away" anything. I'm not afraid to speak up, if you are, it's not the PAP gagging you, it's you gagging yourself. And it goes both ways. I can say that it is high time for the Lee family to move on but I can also say that Chee Soon Juan is not the hero the extreme opposition and foreigners like to make him out to be. He did a lot of things that are questionable too and frankly most of his highlights are just political grandstanding. He's not a good leader.
@@richtan6081*looks at the French Revolution and the Capitol Hill riot*.... maybe sometimes the "will of the people" ain't as hot as it is advertised as being.
I feel safer on the late night streets of sg than political speakers not leaders, who nitpicks n r bent on smearing than offer valuable insights on a better singapore.
@@cymei60 izzy mc warran, gcb, adulteries. You still live in denial? Which of your eyes audited the reserves? You base on Believing or Facts? Which country as small as sg to Police and make it safe? Any mountain or jungle for crooks to hide? All the cameras. Death Penalty. Can sg be as safe if it were size of USA? Which country tax car owners as much as COE? Erp? With so much tax collected of course easy to get things done
Unless Chee cleans up his act, a lot of the older generation won't support him. His actions towards Chiam See Tong was pretty low so while he complains about the PAP, it's not like he is any better. In fact, he could be worse.
@@danielc2701nobody is perfect, that's why we need a mutual monitoring system. Can only be achieved with a balance of power, not the current 80pap versus 10. Thus, need more wp, tcb, sdp, rp, nsp, etc to monitor the rulers' integrity, morality, quality & transparency.
PAP is really coming to an end... ... Hard truth. LKY won't be LKY if he didn't ax the likes of Shanmugam... ... For the party, for governance... ... Loong has a lot to learn from his dad. But... ...too late.
New citizens will keep them in power. Look at the many new citizens or PRs whose TH-cam channels do mainly praising. Very weird TH-cam channels by these who are originally foreigners or are now PR. Of all things their channel contents can cover they do just praising sg. And how about the tomato nightly catchup channel and sg ghostsip channel?
@@LonganLee Hahahahahahahaha... ... New citizens wanna be mRNA guinea pigs? Lemme be frank... ... most of these new citizens why I never bothered is very simple, they ain't really loyal to the state, most only for themselves... ... Which is, mostly 墙头草两边倒... ... When they think PAP will be in power, they will stick to PAP... ... just like kiasu Singaporeans... ... However, once the waves and signals start that PAP is collapsing... ... ...I will bet the last underwear that these new CITIZENS will quickly change sides. Unlike true blue Singaporeans, their 站队心态 is super strong. Which is, which is... ... why Loong should never had covered Shanmugam or Vivian. Loong is so very green... ... Once such a signal, the first wave will come from sinkies... ... which after WP showed PAP is not always gonna win... ... and once Ridout and other cases blow up, and new citizens开始怕站错队, as GRC... ... it is gonna be working against PAP because unlike true blue sinkies where performance can win back support, new citizens only care about 站队. It will be oppos to how to make the new citizens change sides. PAP has no control over non-true blue citizens, they are always about themselves, not the interests of the state, or even political stability. They can always run. Just look at the Indians from India... ... They ran off when they thought India was safer, and ran back then when COVID 19 hit India hard, and even demand free mRNA vaccines telling people how smarter they are and hence deserve the jobs than true blue Sinkies, and demand to be guinea pigs... ... Hahahahahahaha... ... You don't need to worry about new citizens. You need to only focus on any possible election frauds. That's all. Have fun. Don't worry. Once Loong covered Shanmugam and Vivian... ... more Ridouts will come... ... endless opportunities for such 'scandals' or whatever you or Loong wanna call it, and more signals... ... to those new citizens. You will see suddenly massive change sides... ... that no matter what PAP does can't stop. New citizens eh... ... 哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈~ Hahahahahahahahahahaha~ Aiya... ... They will be last of oppos' concerns.
@@sethuramannarayanasamyalia4399 Without 康熙 there won't be an establish Qing dynasty... ... Just because there was a Qing dynasty, you can't have Sun Yat Sen's Republic? So... ... without Modi there won't be a strong India... ... so Indian government and governance must forever be no change? Don't be naive... ... PAP was about NO corruption and men in WHITE... ... and Meritocracy is for the best to lead, not to lead you use paper qualifications and such that any parasites can plague everywhere... ... Better get this straight. I had given Loong... ... and Singapore a choice. A choice made, and that's not my problem anyway. Have fun. I am just watching... ... and pointing out the obvious. Sign off... ...your by-right New Father of Singapore. Hahahahahahahahahaha... ... Hahahahahahahahahaha... ... Hahahahahahahahahaha... ... I did warn before... ... even if you want to play stupid politics or stupid games, you need to have a new father of Singapore to float the arena up... ... when the storms 'are coming'. So... ... spare me all those useless talks. Or... ... You can tell Chee Hean to come out and support Shanmugam, tell us how he approved of him... ... Chee Hean doesn't know how accounting works for assets of reserves' valuation? 自己慢慢玩吧，老夫啰嗦太多年，也就看热闹呗~ 哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈~
@@LonganLee Don't think so lah. New citizens are all smart people else they cannot get the citizenship. They are smarter than Singaporean to make the right choice despite putting up a false front. If you are not up to their intellectual level, you will not see the game that they are playing. Most people including the politicians underestimated them ... but at one's own risk.
No it's not. You overlooked a lot of his wrongdoings like backstabbing his mentor Chiam and flying over to the UK and asking the British to support his election. Chee isn't a hero, he's a power hungry incompetent. Once he's in Parliament, he won't be representing Singapore, he'll be representing the foreigners.
@@firefly4326were u an rc, ccc etc running dog who had obtained free carpark, school / hdb priority, got in prc or other overseas spouse, etc, who felt indebted to pap?
Poor Singaporeans... trying to make ends meet and then those ends were shifted further and further away. Inflation and gst increase. You can't find a $3.50 bowl noodle anymore
Greed, covetousness, entitlement. We need Dr Chee a voice in parliament not to make war as he has highlighted those points in his speech so that no one is above the law in the hope to uphold justice n equality. How can they said they served the people. Eyes can see n ears hear. Highest paid ministers in the world. Still not enough. How greedy can one be.
This Ridout Road saga has highlighted the deficiencies and loopholes in SLA. So the disappointment we feel is that, instead of admitting its shortcomings and assuring us that they will do some reviews, SLA arrogantly defended itself, projecting an image of 'I know better than u', arrogance & elitism. That's why the public has negative impressions of the pap.
@@cymei60but in the end, that minister in charge still his/her boss, holds that impt appraisal, bonus decision, promotion prospects, etc despite declaring "recluse"!
@@kklim3619 CPIB has cleared de cases. For the people not hapi with the outcm, raise a complaint against CPIB instead of needlessly rehashing the issues. It seem more of a vendetta against the govt n to influence the people to divisiveness to destabilise sg. Its also glaringly obvious that the same nitpicking is not applied to oppies.
The moral compass of our Founding fathers were intact, bcos they were surmounted with bread n butter issues, nationhood n future of Spura.. Look at the morality of our politicians now?! Have an idea where we are heading? Think!
The issue is not with them living in big houses. They earn a good salary and they are entitled to live in a big house, if they so wish to. The main issue is that they are paying below market rent for these properties.
@@LonganLeeI personally think renting it out even below market value is ok, if its not rented the state gets nothing, no income. But to me the issue is IF they are making a profit of renting out their own GCBs and their family members. And secondly the point of why it is under their wives names raises concerns. And lastly if the SLA pays so much in repairs and refurbishment to the other black and white houses before it is leased out.
Black n whites r legacy from colonial times. They r old. Just count the age. Much cost is needed to sustain them not unlike gazetted preserved shophouses. Structures are better preserved in use n maintained. Decay and dilapidation sets in quickly otherwise. A landlord is obliged to lease out spaces that are tenable. And tenants have to do a lot more to furbish these old places. Why is it wrong for those who lease out their own properties while renting their own accommodation? Many sgreans are pty investors n r doing same. Its in their wives names to lessen inquisitive sleuthing?
Yes went I went to see a mp I don’t want to tell this powervfull mp. Told me right on on my daughter face you can get marrie d than you can by a house 🏡 you will never feel the pain my daughter had. Now I am brave enough to write be mindful. Went it cames to your family wow you sure want the best😢 what a mp
Why should taxpayers subsidise your daughter's lifestyle choice? If she is talented and skilled enough, won't she earn high salary and can afford private property?
@@alvinchua3518 Aren't you very arrogant and self-important to expect that Opposition will solve all your problems and you can continue to mindlessly blame pap govt?
The real issue is why YOU not capable of earning high salary and have to be jealous of pap ministers? Aren't the ministers just renting and in effect giving back their high pay to the govt?
@@kklim3619 sorry to burst your bubble my friend...Singaporean..those true blue Singaporean are really rich. Not sure who you hang out with though, but the people around me all at least stay condo and have car, but of course they still like to complain a lot about cost of living!
Mr chee is a strong proponent for sgeans but he need to better choice of words if he wish to step into parliament. His aggressiveness scares the crap out of pap.
He might exploit his own law cleverly, but in the eyes of the people, he is seen to be morally and ethically corrupt, bereft of the ideals of serving the nation. A greedy man who isn't satisfied with the humongous salary. Will he return the 150, 000 sf of gifted state land?
Humongous salary…..pales in comparison to the corruption in our neighbours n the perks received in other countries. Many professionals n entrepreneurs n utubers r earning same if not more n not hv to put their lives on the line for thankless public service that is constantly judged. N oh, his previous occupation earns him much more than being a politician n i dare say a less painful job.
@@cymei60 so you saying they have a right to corruption and therefore must pay more so that will not grab land on the cheap or rent at incredulous prices the assets under their jurisdiction? Citing TH-camrs - have they got the talent? Why not say they can make more money in crypto or like charlie munger or Warren Buffet or Elon Musk. PAP IB u ? Go get a decent job la, kiddo.
@@deepone5005 CPIB cleared the issue of the leases unless u r crying CPIB fouled. Pls make a police report if u hv proof of corruption. Sgreans hv vested interest if your accusations are borne out.
Do singaporeans wanna work as domestic workers and other jobs like construction and so on? We forget our ancestors were FT who came here looking for better lives. We are all immigrants 😉
38 oxley Rd also go to parliament to debate among majority pap yes man and RIDOUT Rd also go to parliament debate own self check own self why don't they go to court
When a person like a house......he or she will find ways to make it a home.When a person die oneday ,there will be no home nor house except a aimlessly wonder soul will join a big group of dead people going to a place of darkness. Jesus ever mentioned in the bible ...what goods shall u gain on Earth than losing your own soul.Amen
This is so absurd two senior ministers rent a black and white 10 times the size of a football field , even bigger than the PM and say we are land constrained. But the more dangerous question we need to ask is , is there a term in the lease agreement which grants the tenants ownership of the property after certain amount of rent has been paid over years. If so what these two are doing is dubiously buying a very large estate disguised as rental currently
It's quite intriguing to witness a politician who has encountered multiple legal convictions touting the concept of moral leadership. Yet, this paradoxical stance has inspired me to shape my own interpretation of moral leadership: 1. Moral leadership invites self-reflection. It encourages examining reasons why the party carrying a moral compass had never been voted into Parliament for decades ever since the shifts in leadership. 2. True moral leadership requires a steadfast commitment to upholding the law, even in the face of political agendas. It's about prioritizing the collective good over personal gain and setting an example of integrity. 3. Authentic moral leadership is rooted in transparency and honesty, refraining from the temptation to spread misinformation or falsehoods for the sake of political mileage. It's an embodiment of ethical principles, even within the realm of free expression. 4. Genuine moral leadership understands that freedom of expression is accompanied by responsibilities. Balancing the right to speak with the need to protect the rights of others, national security, and public order is an essential aspect of this leadership. 5. At its core, moral leadership champions equal opportunities for all and freedom of choice in housing with distinctive lifestyle regardless of their social or economic status. It champions the right to aspire and achieve within the boundaries of the law, fostering a society where freedom is embraced responsibly.
Isn't it Politics of Envy rhetoric by Opposition? The roots are from Liberal-rights Democracy ideology and propaganda from USA where populism, soft-options, endless welfare and no-consequences spending are front and centre.
True. You give excuses of land constraints to give us bird cages with high prices but you give excuses to live in big houses. Just think for themselves and not others. No compassion
Why has the government given too many foreigners PR status in Singapore ? These people are now treating loyall Singaporean with contempt.Better to kick them out before it is too late!
WP did a lousy Job by not asking them to prove every thing they claim. The most weird thing is the defence relied heavily on Valuer and Managing agent's words and WP is so lousy they did not demand the Valuer and MA be questioned and investigated too. Singapore is pathetic
There's limitations to the questions they can ask was because of CPIB, otherwise they'll risk insinuating that CPIB wasn't doing a proper job which is very dangerous path. That is why they can only attack the nuances of conflicts of interest.
@@lucretius8050 But a True Loyal Opposition will not be like this. Agree? You are citing an excuse or reason that explains their lousy performance. This is not useful to defend WP. It only says how bad they are. According to your logic, everything cpib says MP cannot challenge or question. Then might as well just abolish democracy and be a China? A real MP has powers to question even the Constitution.
@@LonganLeewhy you mentioned China here ? You losing ground in your arguments ? China leadership is way much much better than anywhere in the world. China's leaders are working for the people.
For corruption case, Shanmugam has already proven enough in Parliament. Private interest, Edwin Tong referred it as state assets in reserves, market mechanism vs the valuation against 'trees lah and refurnishing lah'... ... Shanmugam himself is a lawyer, even with mRNA jab which scientists suggested lowers IQ... ... he should know he is a minister to any loopholes or whatever to get such 'benefits' from state reserves WHEN he should have another home. Hehehehehe... ... What else do you really need? His son's in SLA? In any case, neutral and bluntly to the point... ... ... ... CPIB really no one with basic accountancy diploma if not degree? Hahahahahahahahahahaha... ... Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha... ... Whatever, Loong has to choose, and I shall watch, and this is the end for PAP. Now... ... let the events do the trick. Have fun. This is kinda fun to watch.
Dr Chee Soon Juan is getting more mature by the day with his sensible debate on the 2 Pap senior ministers enjoying their luxurious life like a king what a shame even our late mentor minister Lee Kuan Yew does not have this privilege. I think they should apply for the elected president position.,
PAP Minister enjoy "luxurious" life? Can you tolerate clowns like yourself throwing slander and false accusations every day just because of jealousy and envy? PAP politician is thankless job because of good-for-nothing, CB mouth Opposition supporters.
In most countries including our immediate neighbours politicians dont rent, they outright "buy and own" such house. And typically not just one house but a few in their country and a few overseas as well
@@TerenceTHNg U forgot such men are self-appointed. What makes them more honest and trustworthy than PAP ministers with track record? Just because he self-declare and point finger, and blame loudly? I think you not paying any taxes yet and got a lot to learn about real life and liars.
Because he really blew his chances and gave many of the older generation a bad impression. For one, he backstabbed his mentor, Chiam, whom many people respect, then he flew over to the UK and asked the British to support him, then he did a lot of grandstanding and slander and got sued by the PAP when it used to be the Opposition suing the PAP. It's really so bad that sometimes I wonder if he is really a PAP plant out to damage the Opposition. When Chiam was the head of the SDP, it was the SDP suing the PAP. Now with Chee, it's the PAP suing the SDP and you wonder why we think he's a clown? Then he goes overseas and lies to their media that he is the head of the Opposition when it is the WP and get them to support him. You see how much of his support base is foreign? UK and foreign media. He's not a good choice, he is under too much foreign influence to be a safe bet for Singapore.
I don't understand why Singaporean find CSJ not suitable to be in Parliament. Singaporeans complaint loads but when it's time for positive action, they become scary cats. What a shame.
"'...it's very simple.! It's like Israel and the little GAZA strip.! The Ridout Road bungalow represents Israel and the HDB heartlands represents the GAZA strip.! Simple examples.!!!"'😳🙄😬🤨😡☝️
Some rich expat rent a GCB in Bukit Timah , Holland road at a price current rate at $80-$90 k a month… for ridout road the land is so much much bigger and it cost below $30 k wow wow this 2 Ah na really has a good good deal
The 3 big joysticks already planted firmly in front of the Merlion long ago. Someone even go further to put a Scimitar knife on top of the 3 joysticks. Too late lah. They really asked for it. Blame who?
SG is a prime example of capitalism in the sense it favours those with capital (high cashflow to do things). It will then lead to a much wider gap between the poor and the rich.
CSJ is at it again. I admire the man really..but when is he going to rise and move beyond petty abd populist agendas and start to share meaningful insights and his vision for a better government and Singapore? I would vote for this guy really if he could just show us what he'd do if elected into government.
So easy to say once you are married you can buy a house getting married is a shopping MR monster what comes around will goes around went we go around pain then only it makes us very strong 💪
Multi-generation homes? Pls lah no young person these days wants to live with their family. The whole reason u buy ur own flat is to finally move out from your family. Out of touch much. I expect more from the opposition than mud flinging and "make HDB bigger" as their policy. The land gonna come from where? I really appreciate your work in making sure the ruling party does not go unchecked. But you really gotta step up your game beyond this petty and small-minded rhetoric. There is truth that our MP and ministers are arrogant and entitled. But I have yet to see the opposition be the bigger people, instead it's always this bitter, lack-based, reactionary, populist rhetoric that shows me they don't really bring anything to the table to actually run our country.
Our current government has focused very well on economic progress and we have collectively accomplished well in this aspect. However it becomes clearer and clearer other aspects, such as those mentioned by Dr Chee, are left out of the big picture, and the imbalance is becoming worrying.
I have nothing but respect for Dr Chee’s endurance in his long race, but I cannot agree with his argument in principle for a simple reason: every Singaporean he appeals to with “they are so entitled” logic would probably do the same things with their means, had they the same means. That stems from a deep cultural agreement most Singaporeans have made with each other-more money, more house loh. The two ministers are overt targets because of the scale and publicity of the assets in question, but our culture as a whole endorses and esteems this exact sort of decision/attainment.
Well done CSJ has raised some very relevant questions which nobody in Parluament has raised or answered. Now when Lee Hsien Yang raises some doubt about the 2 Ministers sincerity, he is now threatened with legal suits. Is this 2 Ministers so arrogant now that they can even threaten other Singaporeans who have raised further doubts about there sincerity in the whole matter ?
Is PAP becoming a CCP type government when it comes to silencing its critics ?
Hello, CCP is different la. Get yr head straightened out. Firstly, it isnt the US bogey man CCP, it is CPC la. Read up pls. 2ndly they have put back the UK Opium forced-fed Chinese Civilisation back on its glorious path since 5000 yrs ago, incl yr ah kong, lau cho kong and yourself - got it? PAP is different , an entitled bunch of power crazy & greedy " natural aristocrats" as they had called themselves who had inherited the good LKY gvt.
1st paragraph is ok; 2nd paraphrase shows you havent woken up from western brainwashing media, incl the CNA and ST.
Pap are a modern communist country , they have all the tools to silent any allegations against them and they will do what it takes to ensure that there is no transparency in pap
What relevant questions did CSJ raised? Put out your points here
@@firefly4326The relevant points are:
1. When the government did not allow multi-generational living but they do otherwise…no moral leadership
2. When the minister asked his secretary to pass him the SLA list for personal reasons…no professionalism
3. When the ministers’ wives (not the ministers) who commit to the rental contracts which (may intentionally or unintentionally)no shown their names…no transparency.
If they did not do anything wrong, why not just put their name on the dotted line and be transparent?
Opposition parties are also citizens. They and their families, children also have a stake in Singapore. Yet so many of them hv been sued, expelled, charged under this and that. This National Day, we want to give a special appreciation to thank all the opposition parties, for their courage, for boldly speaking out, for raising questions and providing alternative views.
Providing "alternative views" is not the same as delivering better outcomes. Views are just opinions and talk rhetoric. Only PAP politicians risk their reputation and incomes to deliver better for majority of singaporeans, not the Oppositions with their self-interest and personal revenge agenda.
@@scbchong6964 Hi, I used to be a pap supporter, but after watching parliamentary debates in the last couple of years, I began to sympathise with the opposition party MPs, and really appreciate them for their courage and for risking everything.
More than ever, I began to understand why we must not give the gov a blank cheque, because indeed they hv made mistakes that affected us, our children and our nation, eg raising GST during worsening inflation, and causing food, and services to become so expensive. So we really need the opposition parties to check and ask questions, just like we need to check the parachute before jumping off the helicopter.
I also hope both sides can devote more energy on important matters of the country, but fierce attacks on the opposition (eg Committee of Privileges and police investigations on Raeesah Khan case) will naturally invite fierce counterattacks, not only from the opposition parties, but also from commoners who began to sympathise with the latter.
And about ‘delivering better outcomes’, you can understand that only the gov can do the actual executing, implementing and delivering, because the opposition has no access 🚫 to the machinery of the Civil Service, and so, they can only speak up about their alternative views, and we have seen that they did propose many workable ideas.
I've to point out one thing. When Chee's old boss, Chiam was around, he was the one suing the PAP. So how is it now that when Chee is in charge, it's now the PAP suing him? Every time Chee makes one of his stupid mistakes, I really wonder if he is a PAP spy sent in to damage the opposition because I can't possibly imagine how you can sabo your own team so badly accidentally.
@@danielc2701 The opposition politicians hate the PAP for sure, but do they care and love Singapore and all singaporeans? Two separate issues, hor.
Opposition bears a grudge and vengeful against PAP, but can they deliver better? Or is it just personal agenda? Just because they are Opposition, they don't spew propaganda, lies, rhetoric and BS?
Opposition politicians behave holier-than-thou with too much self-interest, self-importance and fat ego. Just because someone blame loudly does not mean that person is an angel or a saint.
If you have worked long enough, you will know that those who complain and blame others the most, actually contribute the least and have bad attitude.
@@scbchong6964i dun mind risking my reputation if i am being paid 2M/year + mp allowances 200k/yr for 5 or 6 years term.
We vote for the leaders/ministers to work and find solutions for people problems. Have you forgotten you are the public servants to serve the people? You have no moral authority to rule over the people because of injustice practice !
Mr Chee expresses so well what we instinctively feel inside but don't have the so precise and accurate words which describes our suppressed feelings of unfairness. Wish you a miraculous success in the Quixote mission of your life.😊
Inequality government 😂
Please don't take us for granted and take us for a ride as if we are so naive about things that are happening around us. Some of us are still struggling to keep our head above the water with unemployment after the COVID pandemic and yet you ministers have the cheek to splurge yourselves with luxury of life just because you love and wanted to. LHL you have lost the moral compasses when you failed to discipline your ministers.
The reason they take us for granted is that they are those in the "us" that are strongly on their side.And that these people see the rest as an ungrateful lot who do not see the good done.
Moral leadership. Well stated. You've nailed it. IMO, the whole saga is stupid. The system is wrong and yet they use it and stated they follow the system and all are not wrong. The SLA head needs to drop.
The SLA should have maintained the houses instead of letting them rot.
What system wrong? Say it. What is moral leadership?
Agree Sagas are Stupid… Not be surprised if we soon have an Ong Beng Seng Hospital or similar to join ranks with Khoo Teck Phuat & Ng Teng Fong Hospitals … Our Government is Malfunctioning 😊
Moral leadership is when u can get a deputy secretary to do your bidding. Get extra land for no extra cost.
Where is the moral leadership of the ministers?
The next GE, hope people are wiser.
Dr Chee, thank you!
"'...it's very simple.! It's like Israel and the little GAZA strip.! The Ridout Road bungalow represents Israel and the HDB heartlands represents the GAZA strip.! Simple examples.!!!"'😳🙄😬🤨😡☝️
Thank you sir and I love you and respect makes from your heart this was my wish some will ask this question at last someone has the guts
Give Shnmugan an Ntuc challet and get a painter to paint black n white. Vivian can also hav an Ntuc chalet oso with black n white motifs as well.
We need more opposition
Precisely.
The Parliament is not the court and this issue we the People can pursue
This pappy garment is very mysterious, It makes me wonder what surprises they may spring on us next. Their sense of entitlement is so evident that there are no words to describe it, and we don't need any more pappy remarks to explain it away or sweep it under the rug. Their fishy bones are still lodged in everyone's throat, causing permanent scars.
What entitlement? Ridout bungalows ALL singaporeans can rent. Furthermore, only singaporeans can buy landed property GCB. Isn't that a privilege? It is only left to your talent and skills to earn a high wage to afford the things you desire in life. Ministers also never steal your 5-rm HDB and keep for themselves lah.
Very well spoken..
People must wake up and be wise to vote u into parliament this coming General Election.
Besides the two Ministers mentioned, it appears that the Prime Minister is the first among ministers to falter in the capacity of moral leadership. This type of government has to go.
And GO IMMEDIATELY IN APRIL 2025
🤜 PAP 🤛 💣 🔥 💥 👻🤕 💩🤒💩🤧💩👻
In one month, he looks older by 1 year. So Stressed and so Many Worries. "My job is to fix the opposition," he said.
Bala and Shamu need to go for RE EDUCATION on moral leadership. George Orwell's "Animal Farm" is so vividly played out here.........
Did CPIB ask Balakrishnan's wife who she was visiting when she saw the for lease sign ?
U know I know lah.
What Dr Chee is all facts and true
BB voters have much to lose for choosing an incompetent supposed to be lawyer, M over CSJ, a PhD n formerly a lecturer.
The truth hurts.
@@TerenceTHNg Yeah but Chee isn't the moral leadership we need either. He might talk nice but like when he saboed his mentor Chiam, if you got something he wants, he'll run you over too. So pot and kettle.
@@danielc2701nobody is perfect, that's why we need a mutual monitoring system. Can only be achieved with a balance of power, not the current 80pap versus 10. Thus, need more wp, tcb, sdp, rp, np, etc to monitor the rulers' integrity, morality, quality & transparency.
What facts did csj says?
So far HDB built so-called 5 rms but these actually having 3 bed rooms only. So actually that is quite an anomaly.
All bidding tenders for country's assets must be transparent and in real-time for the public, not rely on government or pm's conclusion on the matter.
This is the time to vote for Mr Chee.
We need more voices for this little red dot. Otherwise it will becomes a LITTLE BLACK DOT!!!
Problem is a brainwashed majority
Vote for him so that he can raise such issues in Parliament.The present opposition is not formidable and timid.
DrChee for parliament!!!!
CSJ deserves a seat as an NCMP.
What if DrChee ban YOU from buying nice condo if you work in civil service, armed forces/Police?
@@Kira121086 What if DrChee ban YOU from buying nice condo if you work in civil service, armed forces/Police?
@@jam729 Don't talk cock lah. Have to pay vehicle commander so high just for him to point finger and shout instructions without him able to drive and control the vehicle better than the experienced driver? If you are driver, you accept? You obviously not working and not paying any property, income or road taxes yet.
@@scbchong6964
Try to request sensibly not a silly one.
Once you are an untouchable, you are an untouchable. No matter how big and expensive the things you have, be it a house, a car, a holiday, etc you would still cant have them in dignity, elegance and glamour.
😂 n iswaran is investigated by CPIB n so were shan n vivian. So r insinuating CPIB is not abv board ?
They say land constraints and yet that old architect claim that sg can house much more residents😅
Architect is crazy
@@markmaricar1927, architect got his nuts squeezed to say what he did. I am sure he didn't mean that at any point. Just got used!
Must vote Dr Chee and his SDP comrades into parliament. Please and thank you very much.
You obviously don't know the history of him and his "comrades". Go read up SDP history then come back and say this again. Just because you want to chase away the wolf at your front door does not mean you should be sub-letting to a tiger.
Ownself check ownself Government and the ministers have used this sentence openly. In other words, YES we admit to that and what can you do about it?
Well, Singapore is already down the drain. There is no point raising anything. Our ministers behave like mouse in front of large nation government officials whilst behaving like lords in front of Singaporeans.
If they behave like mice with bigger nations, we wld hv long been trampled over n lost our sovereignty n not be the city state with 1 of the biggest reserves in de world, attracting investors n bldg up.
@@cymei60
No offence but I believe that Credit should go to the United States and the West whom provides the Security Singapore has under the United Nations framework. Had it not been the case, Singapore could VERY well end up like Hong Kong and Taiwan. Being claimed as simply a Province of Communist China “since ancient times”…
However, the problem also lies with CORPERATE America to turn a BLIND eye to Autocrats so long as they Buy American made Military weapons.
@@Callsign-Blade_RunnerSG Im aware. Sg is smart with treaties n memorandums n co-operation. The govt advocated for usa to retain military presence in sth east asia when usa started mvg/reducing forces out before n during trumps era. This is to the chagrin of china. N our govt was subjected to censure frm china. Remember the terrex case?
Philippines, sth koreans administration also had to grapple with their critical citizens calling for usa military removal. Its only when china increasingly staked their claims over spratly n military bld-up that changed the outlook.
Meritocracy leads to Elitism.
Elitism rules the masses.
The rich get richer.
The poor get poorer
Cannot change this here in Singapore.
It's too late.
You will still get your CDC Vouchers 😊
Never too late
No, there is hope, the fact ppl are talking about it means ppl are aware of it.
@@kitty2527 yea it’s about getting enough people to care
It must change if Singaporeans value their families and lives. There is no more Freeland to migrate to.
Indeed we need moral leadership… 👍👍
Most Singaporeans if not all, will certainly appreciate n whole-heartedly agree with you.
@@leechengho8407 I hold a different view here. Most Singaporean of the younger generation value money more than anything else. Morality? They will agree with you face-to-face but laugh at you behind your back. This is the degeneration era. Have no doubts about it.
@@kwoowoo828 Not all are degenerate.
@kwoowoo828 not all are degenerative. Pls have hope, that there are young citizens who are capable, of good character, wise, and well connected with what's happening around them.
A moral compass as guide.
Dr Chee appreciate your effort put up the speech
Great job ! Soon Chuan. 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 Good free expression.
In addition to renting large SLA houses, are the two ministers renting out their good-class bungalow (GCB) for a much larger rental than what they are paying SLA. If this is true, then they are not only staying in large landed property they are also making a huge gain monthly. APAP MP asked this question in Parliament but DPM TCH said the ministers do not have to answer the question.
then the answer is so obvious lor, they definitely benefited but no gut to tell the truth. pinky is lousy in his management, make the whole place so messy before he dies
What do you expect Chee Hean to say?
You seriously think Chee Hean is idiotic enough not to know what Shanmugam is digging for himself and him? Hahahahahahahahahaha... ...
Face it.
When it comes to reserves, it should take another Indian ministers to bang these two Indian ministers, which is Tharman. He made known to be going for Presidency, but I would bet my last underwear that Tharman whom many wanted to be PM won't straighten his back and use his last moments in Parliament to voice out against the Indian ministers.
And sister Ho Ching... ... I was DEEPLY disappointed that as top office of Temasek that she said those things... ... when she should be aware of asset valuation concerns of a Temasek which is in investment. What she said... ... makes it very worrying of how the funds are doing... ... I was expecting her to bed-tell Loong about the seriousness of this matter, no need any political common sense. Sigh... ...
I knew about this for 'quite a while', and was hoping to see how Loong handles it since in his last days as PM, he should be more mature, and ready... ... as a PM.
Aiya... ...
He is so not like his daddy.
That was a disgusting reply from DPM.
@@knowyourprofile Look, Shanmugam obviously tried to pull Chee Hean in... ... IF anything does happen and it does happen, he 'consulted'... ...
What do you expect Chee Hean to do? To be dragged down by the Indian ministers?
He knows he can't approve of Shanmugam's which is obviously... ... 'not so approve-able', else he would have just come in an said he totally agreed and supported, hence approved Shanmugam's... ...
You look at how embarrassed a usually rigid Chee Hean was at parliament having to present himself because of Shanmugam... ...
Aiya... ...
If you are in his shoes, you can't approve and drag yourself in successfully by Shanmugam, what can you say? What can you do?
Gimme a break.
Tell me Chee Hean doesn't know already Shanmugam's is a corruption case, that'd be kinda surprise. He was obviously stuck.
What can all Singaporeans expect when they are of the same breed or kaki nan.
Honestly CSJ should ask about the coerced covid vaccinations and the multiple injuries and deaths that ensued after that instead of this saga, not to mention people can't get a job and income for months if they refused to take the covid jab. That's even more morally bankrupt.
Public service should be the Servants of the Private sector and all citizens. We must not be enslaved
I don't like CSJ but he's right this time, multi-gen living is impossible nowadays, it makes it difficult to look after elderly parents.
The ministers are gonna pay a high price for their rental. It's not wrong or even morally wrong but it's politically VERY unpopular.
Shanmugam you have to vote him out
Totally agree with you Dr Chee . Please win the next election at Bukit Batok . We are voting for you
He is needed as MP to voice concerns in Parliament.
At least be a Nominated MP dude…
Campaign harder bruth😮😮😮
Majority voters have, for nearly 60 years, given away the Powers that made us afraid of speaking up. Afraid of Pofma , afraid of speaking up boldly like a man
Also massive change is usually preceded by massive pain. Singaporeans by and large are born into comfort. The last generation in Singapore that truly suffered and had fight in them are also sadly now a rapidly thinning herd, as they die off…Every generation after that was born into spectacular progress and comfort (some luxury). In general our struggles are mostly what you would call 1st world problems. The “pain” we go through is not enough for us to effect change and to do whatever it takes to make ourselves heard. Those that govern us know this and so adjust their will on us while subjugating our voice just within the threshold of our collective tolerance.
I know I sound cynical but I have seen enough to believe they is no end to this other than tapping out and leaving the country for those you can.
You are calling the majority stupid, gutless n cowards in other words?
We have never "given away" anything. I'm not afraid to speak up, if you are, it's not the PAP gagging you, it's you gagging yourself. And it goes both ways. I can say that it is high time for the Lee family to move on but I can also say that Chee Soon Juan is not the hero the extreme opposition and foreigners like to make him out to be. He did a lot of things that are questionable too and frankly most of his highlights are just political grandstanding. He's not a good leader.
Rule by Fear not by the Will of the people.
@@richtan6081*looks at the French Revolution and the Capitol Hill riot*.... maybe sometimes the "will of the people" ain't as hot as it is advertised as being.
We need Political leaders to speak up against those characters to fight for our social justice😉👌
I feel safer on the late night streets of sg than political speakers not leaders, who nitpicks n r bent on smearing than offer valuable insights on a better singapore.
Dr, Chee can be the spokesman.
@@cymei60 izzy mc warran, gcb, adulteries. You still live in denial? Which of your eyes audited the reserves? You base on Believing or Facts? Which country as small as sg to Police and make it safe? Any mountain or jungle for crooks to hide? All the cameras. Death Penalty. Can sg be as safe if it were size of USA? Which country tax car owners as much as COE? Erp? With so much tax collected of course easy to get things done
@@TerenceTHNg No he can't.
Excellent n valuable speech from Mr.Chee see u in the next GE hopefully to see u in Parliment because the PAP is afraid of u......👍👍👍👍👍
What valuable speech did CSJ gave?
@@firefly4326 Are you a robot ? I notice all your previous posts are only questions ~ You have no mind or opinion of your own to contribute ???
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Unless Chee cleans up his act, a lot of the older generation won't support him. His actions towards Chiam See Tong was pretty low so while he complains about the PAP, it's not like he is any better. In fact, he could be worse.
@@danielc2701nobody is perfect, that's why we need a mutual monitoring system. Can only be achieved with a balance of power, not the current 80pap versus 10. Thus, need more wp, tcb, sdp, rp, nsp, etc to monitor the rulers' integrity, morality, quality & transparency.
Careful of dogs. He warned,leave my family alone.
PAP is really coming to an end... ... Hard truth.
LKY won't be LKY if he didn't ax the likes of Shanmugam... ... For the party, for governance... ... Loong has a lot to learn from his dad.
But...
...too late.
New citizens will keep them in power. Look at the many new citizens or PRs whose TH-cam channels do mainly praising. Very weird TH-cam channels by these who are originally foreigners or are now PR. Of all things their channel contents can cover they do just praising sg.
And how about the tomato nightly catchup channel and sg ghostsip channel?
@@LonganLee Hahahahahahahaha... ...
New citizens wanna be mRNA guinea pigs?
Lemme be frank... ... most of these new citizens why I never bothered is very simple, they ain't really loyal to the state, most only for themselves... ...
Which is, mostly 墙头草两边倒... ...
When they think PAP will be in power, they will stick to PAP... ... just like kiasu Singaporeans... ...
However, once the waves and signals start that PAP is collapsing... ...
...I will bet the last underwear that these new CITIZENS will quickly change sides. Unlike true blue Singaporeans, their 站队心态 is super strong.
Which is, which is... ... why Loong should never had covered Shanmugam or Vivian. Loong is so very green... ...
Once such a signal, the first wave will come from sinkies... ... which after WP showed PAP is not always gonna win... ... and once Ridout and other cases blow up, and new citizens开始怕站错队, as GRC... ... it is gonna be working against PAP because unlike true blue sinkies where performance can win back support, new citizens only care about 站队.
It will be oppos to how to make the new citizens change sides.
PAP has no control over non-true blue citizens, they are always about themselves, not the interests of the state, or even political stability. They can always run. Just look at the Indians from India... ... They ran off when they thought India was safer, and ran back then when COVID 19 hit India hard, and even demand free mRNA vaccines telling people how smarter they are and hence deserve the jobs than true blue Sinkies, and demand to be guinea pigs... ... Hahahahahahaha... ...
You don't need to worry about new citizens.
You need to only focus on any possible election frauds. That's all.
Have fun.
Don't worry. Once Loong covered Shanmugam and Vivian... ... more Ridouts will come... ... endless opportunities for such 'scandals' or whatever you or Loong wanna call it, and more signals... ... to those new citizens.
You will see suddenly massive change sides... ... that no matter what PAP does can't stop.
New citizens eh... ... 哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈~
Hahahahahahahahahahaha~
Aiya... ... They will be last of oppos' concerns.
Without PAP there is no Singapore.
@@sethuramannarayanasamyalia4399 Without 康熙 there won't be an establish Qing dynasty... ...
Just because there was a Qing dynasty, you can't have Sun Yat Sen's Republic?
So... ... without Modi there won't be a strong India... ... so Indian government and governance must forever be no change?
Don't be naive... ...
PAP was about NO corruption and men in WHITE... ... and Meritocracy is for the best to lead, not to lead you use paper qualifications and such that any parasites can plague everywhere... ...
Better get this straight.
I had given Loong... ... and Singapore a choice. A choice made, and that's not my problem anyway.
Have fun.
I am just watching... ... and pointing out the obvious.
Sign off...
...your by-right New Father of Singapore. Hahahahahahahahahaha... ...
Hahahahahahahahahaha... ...
Hahahahahahahahahaha... ...
I did warn before... ... even if you want to play stupid politics or stupid games, you need to have a new father of Singapore to float the arena up... ... when the storms 'are coming'.
So... ... spare me all those useless talks.
Or... ... You can tell Chee Hean to come out and support Shanmugam, tell us how he approved of him... ... Chee Hean doesn't know how accounting works for assets of reserves' valuation?
自己慢慢玩吧，老夫啰嗦太多年，也就看热闹呗~
哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈~
@@LonganLee Don't think so lah. New citizens are all smart people else they cannot get the citizenship. They are smarter than Singaporean to make the right choice despite putting up a false front. If you are not up to their intellectual level, you will not see the game that they are playing. Most people including the politicians underestimated them ... but at one's own risk.
Dr Chee has a very deep compassion of our people in Singapore. Fyi
Dr. Chee crying a problem where anybody has that problem. You call this deep compassion?
Talk is easy. How is he going to address the issue?
@firefly4326 The Buddha run away from his palace....why?to know the real world look like....understand
@@VictorThang-b5p eventually people put buddha back to the palace to serve......understand.
@firefly4326 u mentioned people. People is just like monkey...monkey see monkey do.....u are just coconut 🥥
@firefly4326 I believe u never take your medicine for quite some time. My concern for u .❤
It’s a pity that he’s not representing the people in Parliament
Overlooked by voters. He would make a good opposition to voice concerns in Parliament.
Its hopeless if he is representing Singapore.
No it's not. You overlooked a lot of his wrongdoings like backstabbing his mentor Chiam and flying over to the UK and asking the British to support his election. Chee isn't a hero, he's a power hungry incompetent. Once he's in Parliament, he won't be representing Singapore, he'll be representing the foreigners.
@@firefly4326were u an rc, ccc etc running dog who had obtained free carpark, school / hdb priority, got in prc or other overseas spouse, etc, who felt indebted to pap?
Dont forget Mr chee soon juan did some dirty tricks for his wife
Poor Singaporeans... trying to make ends meet and then those ends were shifted further and further away. Inflation and gst increase. You can't find a $3.50 bowl noodle anymore
Greed, covetousness, entitlement. We need Dr Chee a voice in parliament not to make war as he has highlighted those points in his speech so that no one is above the law in the hope to uphold justice n equality. How can they said they served the people. Eyes can see n ears hear. Highest paid ministers in the world. Still not enough. How greedy can one be.
Then you'll be singing God Save the King again. Chee Soon Juan serves the British people, not the Singaporean.
A big yes.
This Ridout Road saga has highlighted the deficiencies and loopholes in SLA. So the disappointment we feel is that, instead of admitting its shortcomings and assuring us that they will do some reviews, SLA arrogantly defended itself, projecting an image of 'I know better than u', arrogance & elitism. That's why the public has negative impressions of the pap.
Not sure why you are so surprised? It's been this way all the time, starting with LKY!
SLA is a stat board reporting to a ministry headed by ministers - all from same party. See where the buck stops (before the passed the buck)!!
SLA is civil service. So the head of civil service is answerable as the two ministers recused themselves.
@@cymei60but in the end, that minister in charge still his/her boss, holds that impt appraisal, bonus decision, promotion prospects, etc despite declaring "recluse"!
@@kklim3619 CPIB has cleared de cases. For the people not hapi with the outcm, raise a complaint against CPIB instead of needlessly rehashing the issues. It seem more of a vendetta against the govt n to influence the people to divisiveness to destabilise sg. Its also glaringly obvious that the same nitpicking is not applied to oppies.
Wake up ! LHL and the PAP !.
One crazy aunt say "he" supposed to earn > S$100mil but he forgo that to serve Singapore..... LOL.. how ironic and out of touch.
Dr Chee singaporeans will vote you into parliament. I’m confident you will drain the swarms!
Overmind for PM! 🤣
Breath of fresh air. CSJ contributes to sinkies well being this time to local younger Generations
Precisely.
The moral compass of our Founding fathers were intact, bcos they were surmounted with bread n butter issues, nationhood n future of Spura..
Look at the morality of our politicians now?!
Have an idea where we are heading?
Think!
The issue is not with them living in big houses. They earn a good salary and they are entitled to live in a big house, if they so wish to. The main issue is that they are paying below market rent for these properties.
Not forgetting the WP not doing their best to question the MA and Valuer . WP is complicit
@@LonganLeeI personally think renting it out even below market value is ok, if its not rented the state gets nothing, no income. But to me the issue is IF they are making a profit of renting out their own GCBs and their family members. And secondly the point of why it is under their wives names raises concerns. And lastly if the SLA pays so much in repairs and refurbishment to the other black and white houses before it is leased out.
Black n whites r legacy from colonial times. They r old. Just count the age. Much cost is needed to sustain them not unlike gazetted preserved shophouses. Structures are better preserved in use n maintained. Decay and dilapidation sets in quickly otherwise. A landlord is obliged to lease out spaces that are tenable. And tenants have to do a lot more to furbish these old places.
Why is it wrong for those who lease out their own properties while renting their own accommodation? Many sgreans are pty investors n r doing same. Its in their wives names to lessen inquisitive sleuthing?
If u cant comprehend what is recorded and reported, run a check with URA for rental property transactions. Free service.
@@RaseYourProbs So glad SLA did not rent out unit below market rate !
Yes went I went to see a mp I don’t want to tell this powervfull mp. Told me right on on my daughter face you can get marrie d than you can by a house 🏡 you will never feel the pain my daughter had. Now I am brave enough to write be mindful. Went it cames to your family wow you sure want the best😢 what a mp
The MP was not wrong. 🤣
Why should taxpayers subsidise your daughter's lifestyle choice? If she is talented and skilled enough, won't she earn high salary and can afford private property?
@@scbchong6964u again.. hahahaha, u agree the cpib findings? Lmao
Use the meritocracy words lah most SG don't really understand such words esp the older generations😅
@@alvinchua3518 Aren't you very arrogant and self-important to expect that Opposition will solve all your problems and you can continue to mindlessly blame pap govt?
Many SG are having difficult times and many ministers don't really understand...???
Not really leh...I see many restaurants full, expensive cars on the road, many people going for holidays..what difficult times you talking about?
The real issue is why YOU not capable of earning high salary and have to be jealous of pap ministers? Aren't the ministers just renting and in effect giving back their high pay to the govt?
@@eatdrinkrunwalkthere are some 富二代，some with rich parents, etc, but many r not singaporeans, at least not those who have served full-time ns, etc.
@@kklim3619 sorry to burst your bubble my friend...Singaporean..those true blue Singaporean are really rich. Not sure who you hang out with though, but the people around me all at least stay condo and have car, but of course they still like to complain a lot about cost of living!
@@eatdrinkrunwalk u alrdy mentioned, only those u hang out with.
Such important speech pls ensure the sound recording be done properly so that more sporeans can hear Dr Chee Speech !
Mr chee is a strong proponent for sgeans but he need to better choice of words if he wish to step into parliament. His aggressiveness scares the crap out of pap.
He also needs to stop playing to the foreign media and show that he cares for the views of Singaporeans and not the UK or the US.
Robust and makes sense on morality of people in power
Good speech.
Power without characters is satanic right to the core.
He might exploit his own law cleverly, but in the eyes of the people, he is seen to be morally and ethically corrupt, bereft of the ideals of serving the nation. A greedy man who isn't satisfied with the humongous salary. Will he return the 150, 000 sf of gifted state land?
Humongous salary…..pales in comparison to the corruption in our neighbours n the perks received in other countries. Many professionals n entrepreneurs n utubers r earning same if not more n not hv to put their lives on the line for thankless public service that is constantly judged. N oh, his previous occupation earns him much more than being a politician n i dare say a less painful job.
@@cymei60 so you saying they have a right to corruption and therefore must pay more so that will not grab land on the cheap or rent at incredulous prices the assets under their jurisdiction? Citing TH-camrs - have they got the talent? Why not say they can make more money in crypto or like charlie munger or Warren Buffet or Elon Musk. PAP IB u ? Go get a decent job la, kiddo.
@@deepone5005 CPIB cleared the issue of the leases unless u r crying CPIB fouled. Pls make a police report if u hv proof of corruption. Sgreans hv vested interest if your accusations are borne out.
@@cymei60 You are wrong, Do you know how the govt pegged their salaries to?
@@Buttercookies0 hv you been inside a black n white in its raw state?
We singaporeans live in an island with land so scarce, than why bring in foreign thief (FT)...eh?
Do singaporeans wanna work as domestic workers and other jobs like construction and so on? We forget our ancestors were FT who came here looking for better lives. We are all immigrants 😉
38 oxley Rd also go to parliament to debate among majority pap yes man and RIDOUT Rd also go to parliament debate own self check own self why don't they go to court
Pap is not with the ground. Period . Their life speak the loudest. Words are cheap
When a person like a house......he or she will find ways to make it a home.When a person die oneday ,there will be no home nor house except a aimlessly wonder soul will join a big group of dead people going to a place of darkness. Jesus ever mentioned in the bible ...what goods shall u gain on Earth than losing your own soul.Amen
This is so absurd two senior ministers rent a black and white 10 times the size of a football field , even bigger than the PM and say we are land constrained. But the more dangerous question we need to ask is , is there a term in the lease agreement which grants the tenants ownership of the property after certain amount of rent has been paid over years. If so what these two are doing is dubiously buying a very large estate disguised as rental currently
It's quite intriguing to witness a politician who has encountered multiple legal convictions touting the concept of moral leadership. Yet, this paradoxical stance has inspired me to shape my own interpretation of moral leadership:
1. Moral leadership invites self-reflection. It encourages examining reasons why the party carrying a moral compass had never been voted into Parliament for decades ever since the shifts in leadership.
2. True moral leadership requires a steadfast commitment to upholding the law, even in the face of political agendas. It's about prioritizing the collective good over personal gain and setting an example of integrity.
3. Authentic moral leadership is rooted in transparency and honesty, refraining from the temptation to spread misinformation or falsehoods for the sake of political mileage. It's an embodiment of ethical principles, even within the realm of free expression.
4. Genuine moral leadership understands that freedom of expression is accompanied by responsibilities. Balancing the right to speak with the need to protect the rights of others, national security, and public order is an essential aspect of this leadership.
5. At its core, moral leadership champions equal opportunities for all and freedom of choice in housing with distinctive lifestyle regardless of their social or economic status. It champions the right to aspire and achieve within the boundaries of the law, fostering a society where freedom is embraced responsibly.
Isn't it Politics of Envy rhetoric by Opposition? The roots are from Liberal-rights Democracy ideology and propaganda from USA where populism, soft-options, endless welfare and no-consequences spending are front and centre.
I am more interested in Iswaran case than the scandals.
well said +1
he opened a can of worms.
The only right thing to do is apologise n terminate the lease. Apologise for insensitivity to the residents
What if Opposition ban YOU from buying nice condo if you are working in civil service or armed forces/Police? You still stupidly vote for Opposition?
True. You give excuses of land constraints to give us bird cages with high prices but you give excuses to live in big houses. Just think for themselves and not others. No compassion
Time to send him into Parliament to question them. Haiz😂
CSJ , pls don’t fall into PAP’s Trap… Many Low hanging Fruits to Pick that Media not Covering … Pick the correct Battle …🤞
This is the battle he chose
@@keenangan6047 Wonder Why even Audio Quality was Bad ? 🤔
No one can replace them.......better wake up and replace them fast!!!
Why has the government given too many foreigners PR status in Singapore ? These people are now treating loyall Singaporean with contempt.Better to kick them out before it is too late!
You are 100% correct it is about time we kick them out before it is too late.They can do business but not be given PR status.
WP did a lousy Job by not asking them to prove every thing they claim. The most weird thing is the defence relied heavily on Valuer and Managing agent's words and WP is so lousy they did not demand the Valuer and MA be questioned and investigated too. Singapore is pathetic
There's limitations to the questions they can ask was because of CPIB, otherwise they'll risk insinuating that CPIB wasn't doing a proper job which is very dangerous path. That is why they can only attack the nuances of conflicts of interest.
@@lucretius8050 But a True Loyal Opposition will not be like this. Agree? You are citing an excuse or reason that explains their lousy performance. This is not useful to defend WP. It only says how bad they are. According to your logic, everything cpib says MP cannot challenge or question. Then might as well just abolish democracy and be a China? A real MP has powers to question even the Constitution.
@@LonganLeewhy you mentioned China here ? You losing ground in your arguments ? China leadership is way much much better than anywhere in the world. China's leaders are working for the people.
For corruption case, Shanmugam has already proven enough in Parliament. Private interest, Edwin Tong referred it as state assets in reserves, market mechanism vs the valuation against 'trees lah and refurnishing lah'... ... Shanmugam himself is a lawyer, even with mRNA jab which scientists suggested lowers IQ... ... he should know he is a minister to any loopholes or whatever to get such 'benefits' from state reserves WHEN he should have another home.
Hehehehehe... ...
What else do you really need? His son's in SLA?
In any case, neutral and bluntly to the point... ... ... ...
CPIB really no one with basic accountancy diploma if not degree? Hahahahahahahahahahaha... ...
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha... ...
Whatever, Loong has to choose, and I shall watch, and this is the end for PAP. Now... ... let the events do the trick.
Have fun.
This is kinda fun to watch.
That is why Iswaran’s case comes up…
Dr Chee Soon Juan is getting more mature by the day with his sensible debate on the 2 Pap senior ministers enjoying their luxurious life like a king what a shame even our late mentor minister Lee Kuan Yew does not have this privilege. I think they should apply for the elected president position.,
PAP Minister enjoy "luxurious" life? Can you tolerate clowns like yourself throwing slander and false accusations every day just because of jealousy and envy? PAP politician is thankless job because of good-for-nothing, CB mouth Opposition supporters.
Just VTO PAP !
In most countries including our immediate neighbours politicians dont rent, they outright "buy and own" such house. And typically not just one house but a few in their country and a few overseas as well
Why won't people vote for this guy seriously, he and Paul Tambyah should be given a chance, even for just one term, how difficult is that to do?
Because taxpayers do not want to waste money on clowns. You probably don't pay any taxes yet, right? Spend other citizens' taxes very easy, hor.
Such courageous men are needed as MPs in Parliament as check and balance. Oneself cannot check ownself.
@@TerenceTHNg U forgot such men are self-appointed. What makes them more honest and trustworthy than PAP ministers with track record? Just because he self-declare and point finger, and blame loudly? I think you not paying any taxes yet and got a lot to learn about real life and liars.
Because he really blew his chances and gave many of the older generation a bad impression. For one, he backstabbed his mentor, Chiam, whom many people respect, then he flew over to the UK and asked the British to support him, then he did a lot of grandstanding and slander and got sued by the PAP when it used to be the Opposition suing the PAP. It's really so bad that sometimes I wonder if he is really a PAP plant out to damage the Opposition.
When Chiam was the head of the SDP, it was the SDP suing the PAP. Now with Chee, it's the PAP suing the SDP and you wonder why we think he's a clown? Then he goes overseas and lies to their media that he is the head of the Opposition when it is the WP and get them to support him. You see how much of his support base is foreign? UK and foreign media. He's not a good choice, he is under too much foreign influence to be a safe bet for Singapore.
Vote them in to beef out the opposition voices in Parliament.
Chee must be elected to parliament in the next ge.
What if after elected, Chee ban YOU from buying nice condo if you work in civil service, teaching or armed forces/Police?
They love to live not just white and black house. They love mansions the size of istana..
halimah wanted to continue living in her hdb. It became a default tourist attraction and a problem for security.
Good One Soon Juan.
I don't understand why Singaporean find CSJ not suitable to be in Parliament. Singaporeans complaint loads but when it's time for positive action, they become scary cats. What a shame.
"'...it's very simple.! It's like Israel and the little GAZA strip.! The Ridout Road bungalow represents Israel and the HDB heartlands represents the GAZA strip.! Simple examples.!!!"'😳🙄😬🤨😡☝️
Some rich expat rent a GCB in Bukit Timah , Holland road at a price current rate at $80-$90 k a month… for ridout road the land is so much much bigger and it cost below $30 k wow wow this 2 Ah na really has a good good deal
The 3 big joysticks already planted firmly in front of the Merlion long ago. Someone even go further to put a Scimitar knife on top of the 3 joysticks. Too late lah. They really asked for it. Blame who?
Are you one of the You ask for it?🤣
What if a goondu sporean say, "aiya, we must ensure we die already also never know the Reserves. Ensure no sporean knows Forever"?
We call him DAFT
SG is a prime example of capitalism in the sense it favours those with capital (high cashflow to do things).
It will then lead to a much wider gap between the poor and the rich.
Capitalism is just a glorification of Selfishness
They can take and control you and you can't 😢
Can Singaporean elected clean and reliable leaders?
CSJ is at it again. I admire the man really..but when is he going to rise and move beyond petty abd populist agendas and start to share meaningful insights and his vision for a better government and Singapore? I would vote for this guy really if he could just show us what he'd do if elected into government.
He did. Pls watch his papers, speeches n interviews of the past years.
Do they really believe they are the best and not replaceable? Why then they each work for decades?
Even Modi also cannot be trusted, what can you expect from these two?
This has nothing to do with race. You are adding your own bias to the narrative.
You mean LHL, where does Modi feature in this.
@@Alephkiloyes, IB of course has to step in. The strongest opponent is Dr Chee
Guys and gals, IB spotted
@@LonganLee
Who or what is IB?
Simply ~ AGREED, Sir!☺️
God is sure great how much my daughter must have carried😢
So easy to say once you are married you can buy a house getting married is a shopping MR monster what comes around will goes around went we go around pain then only it makes us very strong 💪
Sorry my humble mistake not monster but MR MINSTER
Someone asked a person, what is your true colors?
He replied, Black&White🤣
Only color of B/W is Ying and Yang it's a powerful force😊
@@alvinchua3518 yes, Karma always is true. 2 hands clap, you feel an opposite and equal reaction
Clean corruption
Multi-generation homes? Pls lah no young person these days wants to live with their family. The whole reason u buy ur own flat is to finally move out from your family. Out of touch much. I expect more from the opposition than mud flinging and "make HDB bigger" as their policy. The land gonna come from where?
I really appreciate your work in making sure the ruling party does not go unchecked. But you really gotta step up your game beyond this petty and small-minded rhetoric. There is truth that our MP and ministers are arrogant and entitled. But I have yet to see the opposition be the bigger people, instead it's always this bitter, lack-based, reactionary, populist rhetoric that shows me they don't really bring anything to the table to actually run our country.
Our current government has focused very well on economic progress and we have collectively accomplished well in this aspect. However it becomes clearer and clearer other aspects, such as those mentioned by Dr Chee, are left out of the big picture, and the imbalance is becoming worrying.
I have nothing but respect for Dr Chee’s endurance in his long race, but I cannot agree with his argument in principle for a simple reason: every Singaporean he appeals to with “they are so entitled” logic would probably do the same things with their means, had they the same means. That stems from a deep cultural agreement most Singaporeans have made with each other-more money, more house loh. The two ministers are overt targets because of the scale and publicity of the assets in question, but our culture as a whole endorses and esteems this exact sort of decision/attainment.
i feel like this is the last time we will see Dr Chee Soon Juan with pants.
U all voted for this mah
Deserving it lah.