Hey Bjørn, the cable leaning on the car, I have a small piece of pipe insulation with some fabric on it, then put it on the cable right where it touches the car, it's in my trunk always 👍👍
Thanks for showing the cable versus parking situation. It's great to explain it, but seeing it makes it real. Hopefully that shuts up the keyboard warriors.
It is the hypercharger layout regarding the location of the cable that is not completely optimal. The cable is attached to the opposite side of what fits with the charging port on the Polestar. On some cars, however, it will fit just fine. A longer cable could have solved the problem or the hypercharger could have been designed as Ionity's ABB chargers - which are quite cleverly designed.
@@movax20h They just need to put the chargers an extra half metre apart and not paint lines on the ground at all. You know, like gas stations have done with their pumps since forever ago.
The important thing should be for manufacturers to make the charging plug to be on more or less the same place on all cars. So there could be a standard for chargers and you would not need to bend the cable. Preferably rear right imo so you can plug it in also when you are parked along the road.
I had to stretch the exact same cable a lot with my Ioniq when charging at that station in Geilo. Stupidly short cables, and it doesn't help that the e-tron on the next station was parking almost touching the line close to me...
A single bay Chademo/22kW AC charger near me has standard parking spaces marked out around it..if you have ICE cars correctly parked either side (quite possible,it's quite a busy garage car park/rest stop) it's a tight squeeze to get in..I'd avoid it myself during business hours,and I have a Zoe!
I enjoy my Polestar so far but damn it is thirsty. Too bad Björn only tested the PP. The configurator on polestar.com does state quite a bit more range with just the 19" wheels, which comes as no suprise, since the Model 3 LR AWD comes with 18" Aero Wheels and is the reference point. So far we have not received any OTA on the Polestar 2 and I think it is a little unfair to compare it to the Tesla Model 3 LR AWD with said differences in wheel diameter + all the updates it has received. Let's come back to this point when we have a proper preheating, battery conditioning and perhaps even a range mode. Maybe for the front wheel drive that is due next year Polestar will also present some Aero Wheels, who knows?
@Bjorn: regarding Google showing you arriving at 11%, I think this is based on the SoC before you start charging, which was probably around 75%? So if you charged to 90%, it's expecting you to arrive with 26%, for instance.
Will Tesla Bjorn Nyland re-test one of those 100 Xpeng cars arriving in Norway since those are to be production not preproduction cars as in previous videos?
Can’t wait for my BMW iX3 to arrive. Decent acceleration and 1 engine. Very curious about real live range compared to Polestar. On paper identical. Hope it does better 😊
Hey Bjørn Have you done the 90 and 120 km/h test with the polestar? and is it possible to get all your google sheets with the data of all the cars? Greetings from Switzerland
I have the regular one with 20 inch wheels, and it is not any more efficient. Consumption is constantly 30-40% higher than my Model 3 LR AWD. Polestar is quite far from delivering on their promises, so I expect some tweaking to get closer within a few months.
Google has access to traffic and other AI data that can help it properly calculate battery use. I suspect they take that into account and report worst case scenario so you're not caught off guard, vs others that give you best case scenario.
Does the Polestar 2 have a OBD port up front? If so it maybe an easy way to tap into 12V, by using a OBD to female cigarette lighter socket adaptor. I think with ICE cars OBD can supply 4-5 amps, not sure about EVs.
Why does not car software programmers add important info like charging speed in kW in display ? And sometimes % of battery ? The display is there, with space to add it so it is basically free to add it ! Or is it so that the chief engineer that writes the specification is so overpaid that he/she never have to drive a car and do not have any real experience of what he/she is doing and then the programmers have to fully obey his/her command ? Even if they know it makes no sense ? Do the car industry need to pay those who write the software specification less so it could be possible to get in someone who have first hand experience of what they are doing ?....
They are likely thinking "regular drivers don't understand kW, so let's not confuse them" and are dumbing things down as a result. They are of course wrong, and this is a major design flaw. SMH!
because the software programmers are not in "charge". some "designers" are who don't have any clue about functionality. the same idiots that now design "modern" websites where you have to scroll half a kilometer down to realize that you do not find what you are looking for.
@@stefanweilhartner4415 Controller programmers (like ARM and AVR) and Web-site scripting is two different things, web-sites is scripting, not programming, controllers is mostly programmed in C-code and then compiled...
1:16 that central hump just shows es that this car is still based on an ICE platform 😞 I still really like this car, but knowing that it is slightly compromised make me a little upset
Loved the video ! I had a thought while watching it : Elon announced at a previous event that you'd be able to go from Western Europe all the way to China with the Supercharger network. Would you do this trip one day in a few years, when the Covid situation is over?
The data cant be right. 126% battery consumption from PS2 is 1.355 times more then the 93% from the M3. But Total consumption it says 199 Wh/km for PS2. That is 1.46 times more than the 136 from the M3. And you also have to concider the net battery from the Polestar is around 72-73 kwh compared to 75 kwh for the M3.
Please what’s your advice about buying hybrid buge -in car around €25,000 because I’m takin it overseas to Egypt I don’t know if any advice can you give me thank you
Please, could Bjørn show non-Norwegians how cabins in the mountains are? He talks about it, but he never shows examples of them..... Please, take a detour around Geilo!
Long live Norwegian heaven for EVs where as Tesla Bjorn Nyland shows there is a democracy and all EVs have equal rights to be voted in by owners with their hard earned money
Things just keep getting worse and worse for the Polestar 2 with each video. I’m honestly shocked how terrible the range/efficiency is on this car. I’m sure the extra weight, height, and Geely’s inexperience with electric vehicles all contribute to its poor efficiency, but I am honestly shocked this was the best they could come up with. There also seems to be so many shortcomings in the software like the charging speed and not being able to see how many kWh you’ve received or the charging rate in kW. This makes me think the upcoming XC40 Recharge is going to be plagued with all the same problems, PLUS it will be even less efficient since it’s going to be taller and heavier. Volvo claims 250 mile range in the US for P2, and only 200 mile range for XC40 Recharge. As we’ve seen in Bjorn’s testing, the P2 would have to be coasting down a hill with a tailwind the entire time to hit 250 miles on one charge. Judging by the Polestar’s performance, the 200 mile claim for the XC40 will likely be closer to 125 miles in the real world at high speed (80MPH/130km/h). Volvo needs to develop a completely new EV platform that isn’t underpinned by an ICE platform. CMA and SPA both are ICE platforms. I propose Volvo develop EVA (electric vehicle architecture). I’ll even give them rights to that name for a fair price. 😄 Until Volvo and Polestar have a true EV platform they’ll continue playing second fiddle to Tesla and VW’s MEB vehicles. A pure EV platform brings so many advantages like a completely flat floor in the rear, lower weight, and simplicity. Volvo is having to repurpose platforms that are designed for heavy engines to be mounted in the front, driveshafts, transmissions, and exhaust systems that are completely unnecessary on an EV platform. UPDATE: Geely announced SEA Platform: Sustainable Experience Architecture. Supposedly they’re going to sell this platform to other automakers as well as let it underpin future Volvo/Polestar models. They better hurry up and roll it out. The P2 is likely going to be a bomb when people realize it is capable of going 1/2 the distance a Model 3 can.
Had mine for 2 weeks now. I agree with you. Also Spa 2 platform for EVs are coming. Both P2 and xc40 are CMA, coming models will most likely be based on Spa 2.
PSNbuusa even going to SPA2, it’s still got all of the same problems the CMA models have. Until they design a true EV platform that doesn’t have to account for an engine and all the associated parts they’ll be far behind Tesla and MEB.
Daniel Stefanovic I guess they didn’t follow the old mantra, one platform for ALL vehicles. Lol. To me, CMA and SPA overlap substantially. It’s not like they have a RWD and a FWD platform. They have two FWD platforms which makes no sense. CMA and SPA could definitely be one platform. I am glad to see they have committed to a complete EV platform, I just wonder how great it will be if it’s going to be able to underpin commercial vehicles in addition to passenger cars. I also have no interest in buying anything made in China. I’ll stick with Tesla for now. www.nytimes.com/2014/02/09/automobiles/volvo-plan-1-platform-for-all-cars.html
chinese WLTP right? they probably have their own definition of WLTP, driving down a 50km high mountain. same like CE sometimes does not mean "Conformité Européenne" but "China Export".
Great video as always. But for me electric cars still have a long way to go. It's just too much paranoia watching battery levels, and range is still really bad. With a small engine ECO polo, you can get +1200km range and fill it up in 5min. + if it stops somewhere you can have an emergency gas tank or go somewhere buy it. We can't do that with an electric car. Of course the future is EVs but I think it's still early for normal people like me, who won't support the current limits of the technology.
so polestar also decided to last minute hot glue a tablet on the middle of the dash like tesla did? why? what a crappy design. well, it is not perfectly integrated in an ID3 or ID4 either, but much better. in this regard the Honda-E seems to be one of the best designs. at least in a polestar 2 you get a display behind the steering wheel. that is just crappy cheap in the tesla M3.
Coming to the market with just one engine package and one battery capacity is a recipe for failure these days. If Polestar would make a model with single 150-200 kw engine (how many people, how often and why need 300 kW (400 HP ?!) - with the same battery capacity and of course a consequent bigger range (and a bit lower price), I would buy it immediately. I was just step away to order it and then huge disappointment when I saw first real range tests. That's how it is. Waiting for Nissan Arya or VW ID.4 and then we will see. Until then, Hyundai Kona Electric. P.S. in terms of power and acceleration: I'm very sorry but competing in acceleration with Tesla cars on TH-cam channels is not a good and rational reason to have (as only option) 300 KW of power. People who buy electric cars are much more rational and have a lot of common sense. 100 km/h in 4.1 or 6.7 sec (Hyundai Kona) - who cares?!?!? More than fast enough in any case. Comparing (as previous owner) Volvo XC 60 (200 HP) and Hyundai Kona Electric (200 HP) Kona is "eine kleine rennmaschine". The bad consolation is that Jaguar and Audi have made the same mistake. They have to realize that a car of a higher price range is expected to have also a decent range. If I have to drive car with 400 HP 90 km/h (on highway!) instead of 120-130 km/h to get 350-400 km away, it would only make me feel bad, very bad. Otherwise, I really like this car - what else would say the former long term Volvo owner :)
@@bjornnyland Really? I dont't think so. "An engine or motor is a machine designed to convert one form of energy into mechanical energy" source: Wikipedia. Engine, Elektromotor, Electric motor - you name it.
It's so beautiful in Norway, I just love those little towns you're driving through.
Hey Bjørn, the cable leaning on the car, I have a small piece of pipe insulation with some fabric on it, then put it on the cable right where it touches the car, it's in my trunk always 👍👍
Towing test, towing test!
If it has the hook that is, 1500kg is quite unique outside Tesla.
Despite the flaws, it is still one of my favorite cars
Thanks for showing the cable versus parking situation. It's great to explain it, but seeing it makes it real. Hopefully that shuts up the keyboard warriors.
It is the hypercharger layout regarding the location of the cable that is not completely optimal. The cable is attached to the opposite side of what fits with the charging port on the Polestar. On some cars, however, it will fit just fine. A longer cable could have solved the problem or the hypercharger could have been designed as Ionity's ABB chargers - which are quite cleverly designed.
@@movax20h They just need to put the chargers an extra half metre apart and not paint lines on the ground at all. You know, like gas stations have done with their pumps since forever ago.
Being a german, I approve "Geilo", too!
@@e-redj nice one xD
@@e-redj E-Tron won't be a hit in France I guess
As a dutchman, mee too 😉
The important thing should be for manufacturers to make the charging plug to be on more or less the same place on all cars. So there could be a standard for chargers and you would not need to bend the cable. Preferably rear right imo so you can plug it in also when you are parked along the road.
Hah! I used the exact same charging stall just a few hours later that day!
With a car with the charge port in the front or back, you don't get cable stretch, and you can park inside the lines with no problem.
Love Geilo test and can trust the G what have at the end.
I had to stretch the exact same cable a lot with my Ioniq when charging at that station in Geilo. Stupidly short cables, and it doesn't help that the e-tron on the next station was parking almost touching the line close to me...
Parking spaces are too narrow for different charging positions on various cars.
A single bay Chademo/22kW AC charger near me has standard parking spaces marked out around it..if you have ICE cars correctly parked either side (quite possible,it's quite a busy garage car park/rest stop) it's a tight squeeze to get in..I'd avoid it myself during business hours,and I have a Zoe!
I enjoy my Polestar so far but damn it is thirsty. Too bad Björn only tested the PP. The configurator on polestar.com does state quite a bit more range with just the 19" wheels, which comes as no suprise, since the Model 3 LR AWD comes with 18" Aero Wheels and is the reference point. So far we have not received any OTA on the Polestar 2 and I think it is a little unfair to compare it to the Tesla Model 3 LR AWD with said differences in wheel diameter + all the updates it has received. Let's come back to this point when we have a proper preheating, battery conditioning and perhaps even a range mode. Maybe for the front wheel drive that is due next year Polestar will also present some Aero Wheels, who knows?
On the other hand, Bjørn often compares to his Model 3 Performance which also is thirstier than the Model 3 LR
The efficiency of the IONIQ is still gobsmacking!
If they could add a bigger battery and faster charging the Ioniq will be a beast
@Bjorn: regarding Google showing you arriving at 11%, I think this is based on the SoC before you start charging, which was probably around 75%? So if you charged to 90%, it's expecting you to arrive with 26%, for instance.
6:33 the famous church!! how lovely!!
Why don’t they make the cable a little longer? This is a design flaw.
Will Tesla Bjorn Nyland re-test one of those 100 Xpeng cars arriving in Norway since those are to be production not preproduction cars as in previous videos?
Funny to see all the cars infront doing an extra bounce after the hump.. polestar just boom boom dead on the ground @4:25
Can’t wait for my BMW iX3 to arrive. Decent acceleration and 1 engine. Very curious about real live range compared to Polestar. On paper identical. Hope it does better 😊
Wow less efficient than the ZS that takes some doing!! 🤣
Will you do a Geilo test with ID.3?
That is a good looking car
Hey Bjørn
Have you done the 90 and 120 km/h test with the polestar? and is it possible to get all your google sheets with the data of all the cars?
Greetings from Switzerland
Check the video description. Google sheeeet is hyperlinked there.
tyman Yesh I did. But there is not that much information there...
Check the excel TB tests and the different tabs within. That's everything that Björn does for us.
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There is a search bar on all youtube channels, use it
Do you think that the regular polestar with 19 or 20 inch wheels is more efficient then PP? And by how much? Could you do another range test with PP?
I have the regular one with 20 inch wheels, and it is not any more efficient. Consumption is constantly 30-40% higher than my Model 3 LR AWD. Polestar is quite far from delivering on their promises, so I expect some tweaking to get closer within a few months.
Google has access to traffic and other AI data that can help it properly calculate battery use. I suspect they take that into account and report worst case scenario so you're not caught off guard, vs others that give you best case scenario.
Does the Polestar 2 have a OBD port up front? If so it maybe an easy way to tap into 12V, by using a OBD to female cigarette lighter socket adaptor. I think with ICE cars OBD can supply 4-5 amps, not sure about EVs.
Insight #1 from this video: Landscapewise, I live in the wrong country.
One of the many reasons to watch this channel. Such a beautiful place!!!
With a console so big you can see it from space, how did they not put in a 12v in there? They must need a ninja on there design team!!! 🔨 it!!!! 😁
Yeeeeeeeeeeeees!! Good lunch entertainment.
Why does not car software programmers add important info like charging speed in kW in display ? And sometimes % of battery ? The display is there, with space to add it so it is basically free to add it ! Or is it so that the chief engineer that writes the specification is so overpaid that he/she never have to drive a car and do not have any real experience of what he/she is doing and then the programmers have to fully obey his/her command ? Even if they know it makes no sense ? Do the car industry need to pay those who write the software specification less so it could be possible to get in someone who have first hand experience of what they are doing ?....
yes, that is strange. And they had tesla UI as an good example.
@@alconaft4343 Strange unless the decision makers have a private driver and never drive their own car/limo ?
They are likely thinking "regular drivers don't understand kW, so let's not confuse them" and are dumbing things down as a result. They are of course wrong, and this is a major design flaw. SMH!
because the software programmers are not in "charge". some "designers" are who don't have any clue about functionality. the same idiots that now design "modern" websites where you have to scroll half a kilometer down to realize that you do not find what you are looking for.
@@stefanweilhartner4415 Controller programmers (like ARM and AVR) and Web-site scripting is two different things, web-sites is scripting, not programming, controllers is mostly programmed in C-code and then compiled...
It will be enought to put 0.5m longer cable. It's not soo expensive but change a lot.
Polestar thirstyyyyyy
1:16 that central hump just shows es that this car is still based on an ICE platform 😞 I still really like this car, but knowing that it is slightly compromised make me a little upset
Loved the video ! I had a thought while watching it : Elon announced at a previous event that you'd be able to go from Western Europe all the way to China with the Supercharger network. Would you do this trip one day in a few years, when the Covid situation is over?
Thirsty alright! That’s like winter efficiency kind of numbers.
Ioniq in way colder weather had 30 % lower consumption.
the plug position was an overlooked design flaw
The data cant be right. 126% battery consumption from PS2 is 1.355 times more then the 93% from the M3. But Total consumption it says 199 Wh/km for PS2. That is 1.46 times more than the 136 from the M3. And you also have to concider the net battery from the Polestar is around 72-73 kwh compared to 75 kwh for the M3.
COUNCIL! COUNCIL!!
Please what’s your advice about buying hybrid buge -in car around €25,000 because I’m takin it overseas to Egypt I don’t know if any advice can you give me thank you
there are racks for roofboxes
You reading comment all the time💪💪💪
Please, could Bjørn show non-Norwegians how cabins in the mountains are? He talks about it, but he never shows examples of them.....
Please, take a detour around Geilo!
Long live Norwegian heaven for EVs where as Tesla Bjorn Nyland shows there is a democracy and all EVs have equal rights to be voted in by owners with their hard earned money
Awesome! Geilo test with Model X too please :)
Things just keep getting worse and worse for the Polestar 2 with each video. I’m honestly shocked how terrible the range/efficiency is on this car. I’m sure the extra weight, height, and Geely’s inexperience with electric vehicles all contribute to its poor efficiency, but I am honestly shocked this was the best they could come up with. There also seems to be so many shortcomings in the software like the charging speed and not being able to see how many kWh you’ve received or the charging rate in kW. This makes me think the upcoming XC40 Recharge is going to be plagued with all the same problems, PLUS it will be even less efficient since it’s going to be taller and heavier. Volvo claims 250 mile range in the US for P2, and only 200 mile range for XC40 Recharge. As we’ve seen in Bjorn’s testing, the P2 would have to be coasting down a hill with a tailwind the entire time to hit 250 miles on one charge. Judging by the Polestar’s performance, the 200 mile claim for the XC40 will likely be closer to 125 miles in the real world at high speed (80MPH/130km/h). Volvo needs to develop a completely new EV platform that isn’t underpinned by an ICE platform. CMA and SPA both are ICE platforms. I propose Volvo develop EVA (electric vehicle architecture). I’ll even give them rights to that name for a fair price. 😄
Until Volvo and Polestar have a true EV platform they’ll continue playing second fiddle to Tesla and VW’s MEB vehicles. A pure EV platform brings so many advantages like a completely flat floor in the rear, lower weight, and simplicity. Volvo is having to repurpose platforms that are designed for heavy engines to be mounted in the front, driveshafts, transmissions, and exhaust systems that are completely unnecessary on an EV platform.
UPDATE: Geely announced SEA Platform: Sustainable Experience Architecture. Supposedly they’re going to sell this platform to other automakers as well as let it underpin future Volvo/Polestar models. They better hurry up and roll it out. The P2 is likely going to be a bomb when people realize it is capable of going 1/2 the distance a Model 3 can.
Had mine for 2 weeks now. I agree with you. Also Spa 2 platform for EVs are coming. Both P2 and xc40 are CMA, coming models will most likely be based on Spa 2.
PSNbuusa even going to SPA2, it’s still got all of the same problems the CMA models have. Until they design a true EV platform that doesn’t have to account for an engine and all the associated parts they’ll be far behind Tesla and MEB.
Daniel Stefanovic I guess they didn’t follow the old mantra, one platform for ALL vehicles. Lol. To me, CMA and SPA overlap substantially. It’s not like they have a RWD and a FWD platform. They have two FWD platforms which makes no sense. CMA and SPA could definitely be one platform. I am glad to see they have committed to a complete EV platform, I just wonder how great it will be if it’s going to be able to underpin commercial vehicles in addition to passenger cars. I also have no interest in buying anything made in China. I’ll stick with Tesla for now.
www.nytimes.com/2014/02/09/automobiles/volvo-plan-1-platform-for-all-cars.html
chinese WLTP right? they probably have their own definition of WLTP, driving down a 50km high mountain. same like CE sometimes does not mean "Conformité Européenne" but "China Export".
You know that the tallest mountain is 8848 m, right?
@@bjornnyland yes. tell that to the guys that made up the chinese WLTP :-) :-) :-)
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Great video as always. But for me electric cars still have a long way to go. It's just too much paranoia watching battery levels, and range is still really bad. With a small engine ECO polo, you can get +1200km range and fill it up in 5min. + if it stops somewhere you can have an emergency gas tank or go somewhere buy it. We can't do that with an electric car. Of course the future is EVs but I think it's still early for normal people like me, who won't support the current limits of the technology.
Ever heard of Tesla before?
@@bjornnyland Yes, it's "only" a 30k euro price difference.
Model 3 SR+...
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so polestar also decided to last minute hot glue a tablet on the middle of the dash like tesla did? why? what a crappy design.
well, it is not perfectly integrated in an ID3 or ID4 either, but much better.
in this regard the Honda-E seems to be one of the best designs.
at least in a polestar 2 you get a display behind the steering wheel. that is just crappy cheap in the tesla M3.
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Coming to the market with just one engine package and one battery capacity is a recipe for failure these days. If Polestar would make a model with single 150-200 kw engine (how many people, how often and why need 300 kW (400 HP ?!) - with the same battery capacity and of course a consequent bigger range (and a bit lower price), I would buy it immediately. I was just step away to order it and then huge disappointment when I saw first real range tests. That's how it is. Waiting for Nissan Arya or VW ID.4 and then we will see. Until then, Hyundai Kona Electric.
P.S. in terms of power and acceleration:
I'm very sorry but competing in acceleration with Tesla cars on TH-cam channels is not a good and rational reason to have (as only option) 300 KW of power. People who buy electric cars are much more rational and have a lot of common sense. 100 km/h in 4.1 or 6.7 sec (Hyundai Kona) - who cares?!?!? More than fast enough in any case. Comparing (as previous owner) Volvo XC 60 (200 HP) and Hyundai Kona Electric (200 HP) Kona is "eine kleine rennmaschine".
The bad consolation is that Jaguar and Audi have made the same mistake.
They have to realize that a car of a higher price range is expected to have also a decent range. If I have to drive car with 400 HP 90 km/h (on highway!) instead of 120-130 km/h to get 350-400 km away, it would only make me feel bad, very bad.
Otherwise, I really like this car - what else would say the former long term Volvo owner :)
There's no engine in an EV.
@@bjornnyland Really? I dont't think so. "An engine or motor is a machine designed to convert one form of energy into mechanical energy" source: Wikipedia. Engine, Elektromotor, Electric motor - you name it.
I always enjoy you swearing in German, sounds so Nazi-esque. Have you spent time there or where does that come from?
the lines from this car looks a bit like a audi coupe 80/90 haha...the nose doesnt look so good for a EV.
sorry Sab back to drawing board oooooops sorry Volvo aaaaah what every dont like the car
i am not sure if Volvo had that much to do with it. this could be the chinese competition that we should be afraid of.