As soon as I watched it, I started feeling like Ryan took it personally. He completely demolished the writing and unlike other movies, he showed no mercy. Loved it
One thing Marvel didnt handle well with many other things is Thor's Trauma! For God sake, he endured trauma after trauma! Mother, father, brother deaths, unknown sister being evil, loosing his identity (as he feels)= hammer, his kingdom, repeated humiliation for thousand years old god of not being powerful avenger which is used as joke(understandable), failing to save humanity too from thanos's hand....what marvel did? Drunk jokes, fat jokes, make him more dummer... They had freaking chance to dive into Trauma handling! Making gods relatable to humans! Showing that even gods are battling for their dead spirited life to have a spark and reason to live! His meditative journey could have dived deeper into! How he battled with his internal cries and weak moments, some psychological aid from his mates, some deep talks, Guardians of galaxy goofed around him, not a single hero took him and his trauma/failure seriously!..i mean for crying out loud sake, Gorr lost his one daughter in his hand and he went out on rampage of killing all the gods! Thats the trauma, rage, miscalculation, twisted sense of living one goes into after a huge traumatic personal loss... where's Thor's redemption arc? Oh and if the implication is that after reviving the half dead humanity, he probably felt fine, victorious, redeemed...well thats not how it works given the scale of number of losses he endured...soldiers go on battles, wars. Even when they are victorious they come home with trauma, anxiety of post war effects! Victory do not compensate for the traumatic experiences
My question was how the heck was storm breaker part of the lore when it was only created for Thor to use to fight Thanos with. Was it inspired by previous axe with the same name. Details like these are important to prevent confusion.
This movie is full of plot holes and goofy rules, so don't worry about anything happening and finding the reason behind it. Anyone can weild anyone's weapon now. Suddenly everyone is worthy of mijnoir.
Having gorr attack olympia would have been great. They could also have used that scene to tell him about Eternity. Maybe he tortures one god after retreating to tell him. It felt akward when they said he won't reach eternity because we weren't told before that that is his plan. I was also pissed by thor making the same mistake with the bifrost as in ragnarok. And are you telling me that only asguardians can reach eternity because of the bifrost? He also gives stormbreaker to a kid. What if it is taken by someone else again? He should put a charm on it like Odin
I thought the reason Zeus didn't want Thor to leave was that gorr could get the location of the city from Thor and then attack? That was before they realized he was going to Eternity instead.
One thing Marvel didnt handle well with many other things is Thor's Trauma! For God sake, he endured trauma after trauma! Mother, father, brother deaths, unknown sister being evil, loosing his identity (as he feels)= hammer, his kingdom, repeated humiliation for thousand years old god of not being powerful avenger which is used as joke(understandable), failing to save humanity too from thanos's hand....what marvel did? Drunk jokes, fat jokes, make him more dummer... They had freaking chance to dive into Trauma handling! Making gods relatable to humans! Showing that even gods are battling for their dead spirited life to have a spark and reason to live! His meditative journey could have dived deeper into! How he battled with his internal cries and weak moments, some psychological aid from his mates, some deep talks, Guardians of galaxy goofed around him, not a single hero took him and his trauma/failure seriously!..i mean for crying out loud sake, Gorr lost his one daughter in his hand and he went out on rampage of killing all the gods! Thats the trauma, rage, miscalculation, twisted sense of living one goes into after a huge traumatic personal loss... where's Thor's redemption arc? Oh and if the implication is that after reviving the half dead humanity, he probably felt fine, victorious, redeemed...well thats not how it works given the scale of number of losses he endured...soldiers go on battles, wars. Even when they are victorious they come home with trauma, anxiety of post war effects! Victory do not compensate for the traumatic experiences
I'm down for a fun '"Who really cares? Just have fun" romp of a film but maybe the place for it isn't 29 movies into a shared universe where numerous tragedies have occurred and now establishing things that could have absolutely prevented all those tragedies. Like sure I'm willing to believe the humans and even Thor etc didn't know about the 'realm of eternity' but you're telling me Thanos who basically ripped apart the universe finding the infinity stones didn't happen upon the 'come make a wish and get what you want' realm.
Yeah made sense, but also it's kinda impossible after Hela, because the bifrost is unaccessible, no rainbow bridge and stormbreaker didn't exist yet to open the portal. But before Hela, yeah it's possible if Thanos had the initiative to attack asgard first. Especially if he knows that Odin is not actually there.
One thing Marvel didnt handle well with many other things is Thor's Trauma! For God sake, he endured trauma after trauma! Mother, father, brother deaths, unknown sister being evil, loosing his identity (as he feels)= hammer, his kingdom, repeated humiliation for thousand years old god of not being powerful avenger which is used as joke(understandable), failing to save humanity too from thanos's hand....what marvel did? Drunk jokes, fat jokes, make him more dummer... They had freaking chance to dive into Trauma handling! Making gods relatable to humans! Showing that even gods are battling for their dead spirited life to have a spark and reason to live! His meditative journey could have dived deeper into! How he battled with his internal cries and weak moments, some psychological aid from his mates, some deep talks, Guardians of galaxy goofed around him, not a single hero took him and his trauma/failure seriously!..i mean for crying out loud sake, Gorr lost his one daughter in his hand and he went out on rampage of killing all the gods! Thats the trauma, rage, miscalculation, twisted sense of living one goes into after a huge traumatic personal loss... where's Thor's redemption arc? Oh and if the implication is that after reviving the half dead humanity, he probably felt fine, victorious, redeemed...well thats not how it works given the scale of number of losses he endured...soldiers go on battles, wars. Even when they are victorious they come home with trauma, anxiety of post war effects! Victory do not compensate for the traumatic experiences
definitely a missed opportunity. But the written script stated that the city is hidden and Gorr does not know where it is. Also there's no way he's going against all the gods after almost losing to Thor.
That Infinity Cones place really bothered me when I watched this movie. Like imagine how pissed people would be if someone did something like that in real life. “Come get your 9/11 pies! 50% off for all of September!!!”
They literally took the Gorr storyline from the books that was deadly serious in it's tone,won countless awards for it's storytelling and art, described as one of the best books ever and brought it to the movie screen not even resembling a percentage of what's in the book. Dumbed it down with countless jokes that fell flat. I understand changing a few things but they took a story and ripped it to shreds. And B4 someone says it's just comic book nerds crying about them changing their favorite characters,a lot of times the story can still be amazing if you left it alone. Imagine lord of the rings,Harry Potter and other books that were made into movies if they just changed majority of it. Hela killed more gods onscreen than Gorr. Thor had to get his teenage self, present and future self to team up to fight him and even that wasn't enough.i thought marvel would get past the bring in badass villains then kill them off after one movie tropes but I was wrong.
They should have never touched the storyline at all to be honest. Everyone is mad about the comedic tone of the film, but look at Waititi's catalogue of work, and Love and Thunder is consistent with it. I'm fairly certain it was widely accepted that Ragnarok was a much needed refresh of Thor's character after the first two films, and it was a bold new direction that you can't just switch back to serious from, esp if you're keeping Waititi at the helm. Instead of chasing hype, they really just should have left this storyline in the books. There's nowhere they could have gone with it.
One thing Marvel didnt handle well with many other things is Thor's Trauma! For God sake, he endured trauma after trauma! Mother, father, brother deaths, unknown sister being evil, loosing his identity (as he feels)= hammer, his kingdom, repeated humiliation for thousand years old god of not being powerful avenger which is used as joke(understandable), failing to save humanity too from thanos's hand....what marvel did? Drunk jokes, fat jokes, make him more dummer... They had freaking chance to dive into Trauma handling! Making gods relatable to humans! Showing that even gods are battling for their dead spirited life to have a spark and reason to live! His meditative journey could have dived deeper into! How he battled with his internal cries and weak moments, some psychological aid from his mates, some deep talks, Guardians of galaxy goofed around him, not a single hero took him and his trauma/failure seriously!..i mean for crying out loud sake, Gorr lost his one daughter in his hand and he went out on rampage of killing all the gods! Thats the trauma, rage, miscalculation, twisted sense of living one goes into after a huge traumatic personal loss... where's Thor's redemption arc? Oh and if the implication is that after reviving the half dead humanity, he probably felt fine, victorious, redeemed...well thats not how it works given the scale of number of losses he endured...soldiers go on battles, wars. Even when they are victorious they come home with trauma, anxiety of post war effects! Victory do not compensate for the traumatic experiences
The only part of the movie I actually got excited by, was when everything went into black and white... tbh, I miss the quality of the MCU phase 1-3 movies. Disney is ruining Marvel with its kid friendly stance and everything feels rushed.
Multiverse of Madness, Blade, Deadpool. They are starting with some darker properties. Wakanda Forevers trailer also looks like its gonna be more of a heavy movie. Its just the Thor franchise that went to shit because they hired somebody who doesnt give a shit about the universe or the established characters.
Well in this movie they did not finish all the CGI & visuals in time for the release & had to cut whole sequences ... Yea, that screams rushed... And since there is no obvious goal in Phase 4... The movies are just filler at this point ... Phase 1-3 had practically 2 goals... 1. The avengers & 2. Thanos... These goals were stated fr the very first movie in Ironman.... While in Phase 4... I have no idea what's going on
@@claudewinters2091 Thanos was never planned. They added him in the post credits when they made the first Avengers movie. Even Nick Fury got added spontaneously in the first Iron Man. Phase 4 has multiple projects featuring the Multiverse and kicks off the "Multiversal Saga" and you try to tell me theres no plan?
@@Serryy uhmm Thanos was planned... In phase 1... He was added to the post credit scene of the First Avengers movie... He was in the first GOG movie and his plan was also mentioned but fleshed out over subsequent movies... The Infinity Gauntlet was in Thor 2 Avengers were mentioned fr Ironman 1 and subsequently built upon with each movie as a means to introduce each new avenger that would make up the team - that's what happened during phase 1-3. The multiverse has been teased fr the start of Phase 4 but nothing about the goal of phase 4. We knew the goals of phase 4 from the first Ironman movie .. what are the goals of phase 4? Can you tell me ?
@@claudewinters2091 You said they were planning Thanos from the beginning of phase 1. They didnt. They didnt even plan "The Avengers" until Samuel L Jackson just went and did the post credit scene. You want to know the goal of phase 4? Watch "Loki". Its a terrible show, but the final episode lays it out pretty well. Also not a good episode btw.
The Korg Mother part could be explained as the "mother" is the parent who gives birth, regardless of the fact both parents seem "male". An example I've seen before is used in Mass Effect. Asari are an "All Female" race, in that they all use female pronouns, and appear feminine or as females, but when two Asari get together to produce a daughter, they still call the parent who didn't give birth "Father". So it could be an example like that... or just a plot mistake.
Considering the fact that they made gorr such weak that Thor,Jane and Valkyrie was getting heavy on him, he would have been slaughtered if he attacked omnipotence city will all those gods
Stormbreaker was made during Infinity War but the book that Goor uses shows that the axe was always the key to access Eternity. Thats a major plothole there nobody thought about.
Gorr was the best part of the movie for me and I think if they had used him a lot, it would have been better. It could have been a little more serious like the 1st Thor movie, with less jokes that made sense.
One thing Marvel didnt handle well with many other things is Thor's Trauma! For God sake, he endured trauma after trauma! Mother, father, brother deaths, unknown sister being evil, loosing his identity (as he feels)= hammer, his kingdom, repeated humiliation for thousand years old god of not being powerful avenger which is used as joke(understandable), failing to save humanity too from thanos's hand....what marvel did? Drunk jokes, fat jokes, make him more dummer... They had freaking chance to dive into Trauma handling! Making gods relatable to humans! Showing that even gods are battling for their dead spirited life to have a spark and reason to live! His meditative journey could have dived deeper into! How he battled with his internal cries and weak moments, some psychological aid from his mates, some deep talks, Guardians of galaxy goofed around him, not a single hero took him and his trauma/failure seriously!..i mean for crying out loud sake, Gorr lost his one daughter in his hand and he went out on rampage of killing all the gods! Thats the trauma, rage, miscalculation, twisted sense of living one goes into after a huge traumatic personal loss... where's Thor's redemption arc? Oh and if the implication is that after reviving the half dead humanity, he probably felt fine, victorious, redeemed...well thats not how it works given the scale of number of losses he endured...soldiers go on battles, wars. Even when they are victorious they come home with trauma, anxiety of post war effects! Victory do not compensate for the traumatic experiences
IF Gorr had showed up he would have Died ,period there were Celestials there..Celestials..let that Sink In It took Thor and Jane Just TWO GODS to take him out, there were thousands at that place you kidding me? Gorr was just a Mortal wielding the Necro sword he wasn't Knull.
1:50 Christian Bale confirmed he did scenes with Jeff Goldblum and Peter Dinklage (presumably torturing and killing their respective MCU characters). Lena Headey also played another one of Gorr's victims but that was cut too. 3:27 What tourist spots?!
This is the type of flick that a lot of these meetings would actually concoct. "VFX not being completed on time". Well, the crisis is real. Indeed, missed opportunities and a poor plot have given us the very worst in the entire franchise so far.
I had the thought about halfway through that this movie isn't depicting the actual events. The framing device is Korg telling the story. We are watching Korg's version of what happened. I was already enjoying the film, but once I started thinking of it that way I enjoyed it even more. Plus, it makes the oddly placed jokes and humor make sense. That's exactly the kind of thing I could see Korg do when he is telling the part of a story that he finds sad or uncomfortable.
Yeah , they have everything in mcu like time machine , ant man tech , wakandan tech , kamartaj sorcery etc. etc. ,But they don't have a cure for cancer .
I just watched Thor Love & Thunder yesterday. Not going to lie I loved it. Not as Good as Ragnarok certainly, it had a Looooot of Jokes but I never felt tired of them since I went in there knowing there were a lot of jokes ( from the complaints and its Taika Waititi ) I thought it was a cool sweet film, I had Fun and that all that mattered to me.
Even Ryan didnt speak about Valkyrie and all Asgardians wanting to die in battle and going to Valhalla, she even said it earlier in the movie. But the minute she got stabbed she was scared and decided she didnt want to fight anymore. Completely 180d her character
One thing Marvel didnt handle well with many other things is Thor's Trauma! For God sake, he endured trauma after trauma! Mother, father, brother deaths, unknown sister being evil, loosing his identity (as he feels)= hammer, his kingdom, repeated humiliation for thousand years old god of not being powerful avenger which is used as joke(understandable), failing to save humanity too from thanos's hand....what marvel did? Drunk jokes, fat jokes, make him more dummer... They had freaking chance to dive into Trauma handling! Making gods relatable to humans! Showing that even gods are battling for their dead spirited life to have a spark and reason to live! His meditative journey could have dived deeper into! How he battled with his internal cries and weak moments, some psychological aid from his mates, some deep talks, Guardians of galaxy goofed around him, not a single hero took him and his trauma/failure seriously!..i mean for crying out loud sake, Gorr lost his one daughter in his hand and he went out on rampage of killing all the gods! Thats the trauma, rage, miscalculation, twisted sense of living one goes into after a huge traumatic personal loss... where's Thor's redemption arc? Oh and if the implication is that after reviving the half dead humanity, he probably felt fine, victorious, redeemed...well thats not how it works given the scale of number of losses he endured...soldiers go on battles, wars. Even when they are victorious they come home with trauma, anxiety of post war effects! Victory do not compensate for the traumatic experiences
Actually a lot of people seemed to miss out that Zeus tells Thor that omnipotence city is hidden out somewhere between realms so unless someone's a god or has been there before or know where it is, no one can find this city of the gods, that's why Zeus and all gods wanted to stay there for safety.
Still would have been interesting if Gorr was finding gods and torturing them for information to omnipotence city so he could find the information to eternity. It felt too easy for him to find the information. Was it the axe or the bifrost that allows you to enter Eternity? Bifrost makes sense. Stormbreaker? That was created 5 or 6 years ago.
My thoughts when watching was Gorr actually followed Thor, and made Thor kinda responsible, cause he unintentionally brings the butcher to gods meeting. Made him more motivated to kill Gorr
But Ryan wasn’t trying to say the it didn’t make sense, he was saying that it was a missed opportunity plot-wise. Instead of having a meeting with a bunch of gods and making up some arbitrary justification for why the god-butcher couldn’t be there, they could have made a cool fight scene out of it.
"Taika Watiti doesn't care about your loyalty to consistency" isn't a great way to approach creating a film linked to an established franchise with an established fan base that had watched all the previous films....... Now I am VERY worried about Taika Watiti directing the next Star Wars film... but by now I kind of feel like a battered spouse returning to an abusive relationship... I'm done
Holy shit, Thor has a hammer!? And my balls have hair!? The many surprises of Jaby. Next he reveals that he prefers al dente noodles. Then he acts really surprised about it.
There's also the fact that Stormbreaker is, according to these ancient inscriptions, the key to the realm of Eternity even though Stormbreaker was first constructed approximately 20 minutes ago.
I can't believe you didn't even think that Gorr might show up where Zeus is entertaining all the Gods, butchering away, because some of us were conjecturing that the reason why Valkyrie had Zeus' lightning bolt in the trailer was that Gorr had killed him (and who knows what other gods), and assumed that they would be going to New Asgaard from Olympus (instead of the other way around) because that's where Gorr was apparently heading next, we decided.
He couldn’t summon Stormbreaker because they kept foreshadowing the joke that it was jealous of his hammer so it want working properly. Ps I loved love and thunder
The ending was shitty too. "Heres the kid, care for it" "Ok". Maybe give Thor an actual connection to the child or a specific reason why hes wanting to adopt it instead of one small throwaway line of "i wanted children"
You'll notice that this girl , Achara, whoever sits next to him when reviewing any of this marvel stuff goes "I didn't think about that" or "it didn't really bother me" for any of the hundreds of plot problems with these movies. This is the audience Marvel is making the movies for. They've realized they can dumb down the content.for the casual viewer and they won't mine. So be prepared of more of these irreverent, nonsensical plots because a long as these casual viewer types like it their bottom line won't be affected
Dude Chill, it's just a movie. Many people don't read the comics and are not so nerdy about all this stuff, but that doesn't mean you will have to attack them. Marvel movies have been around for more than a decade now, they know that the vast majority of the people watching them are not familiar with their comics, so if they had to dumb down their content they would have done it a long time ago.
Not dumb down, but simplify. Comics is too weird and too long for live action adaptation. What Marvel needs is make them simple and make it a good movie, with a good story and characters, that's all. If they can't do that? Well, people will be tired anyway, there are already many alternatives to marvel movies.
6:15 "Gorr steals StormBreaker" -> This film introduces two contradictions. Stormbreaker is a living being with a mind of its own and *jealous* of Thor's relationship with Mjolnir. But - Gorr just steals it, and it does nothing, does his bidding with no problem. And now Thor can't summon it, even though the whole point is that the thing can reach from here to Eternity - literally. Taika, Taika, Taika, you must take us all for fools. Don't write garbage and serve it to us, again.
I think Thanos doesn't know about Eternity's wish at the center of the universe and Stormbreaker being the key to it. Gorr only knew of it because the Necrosword whispered it to him. The sword's existence predates the infinity stones as far as I can recall.
Not saying it isn't a continuity error because I haven't watched "Love and Thunder"; but Korg's mother could have had a boyfriend, and his father could have married his giving Korg two Dads.
I was discussing this with a friend. Stormbreaker shouldn't have been the "key" to opening the door to Eternity. It was only forged a few years ago, and I doubt most people don't know much about the weapon and what it can do. There certainly won't be ancient texts about it. What they should have said is that the power used to seal the door would require something comparable to the Infinity Stones to unseal it, like leaving the Bifrost open too long. Thor can be like, "Well, the Rainbow Bridge was destroyed and there is no way for him to open the Bifrost ... except ... Stormbreaker ..." It would have given Russell Crowe an opportunity to really shine. Go from playing Zeus all jokey and bombastic, to deadly serious as he realises there is one threat to the gods, and that's if Thor tries to save the Asgardian children and Gorr gets his hands on Stormbreaker. So he tries to force Thor to stay, they fight, Thor leaves, and Zeus is proven right. Atleast until Thor uses compassion and empathy to reach Gorr and change his mind. I think the failing of this movie is that it sees perfect opportunities to have great acting, great drama, great conflicts, both physical and psychological, and instead it scoffs at them and makes a joke instead. Many jokes. Far too many jokes. I've noticed that Jaby started off really loving this movie and has gradually become more and more critical of it. Which is right, you should be critical of it. If Marvel think this is what people want to watch, they'll put out more and more of it and the MCU will quickly turn into a bad parody of itself.
I may be misremembering, but I feel like there was a mention of the Bifrost actually being the key, but now it is solely contained within Stormbreaker. I don’t know if it was explicitly said aloud or if it was just on the plans that Jane saw, but for some reason I have a vague memory of the mention of the Bifrost.
@@kimberlyzulock4426 Clarification on one of the many plot-holes is not what's needed to fix this film. It needs better writing over all, and atleast some reverence for the subject matter. This felt like Taika had disdain for all things Marvel and wanted to just get it off his chest. And now he wants to do Star Wars? Yeah, no thanks.
@@kimberlyzulock4426 I just watched Jeremy Jahn's spoiler review and follow-up video. He says it far more eloquently than I, so watch that if you haven't already.
It was never Stormbreaker. They said "Bifrost is the key" many times. Stormbreaker has the ability to access the bifrost, which is mentioned when it is forged and how Thor now travels around. With Asgard destroyed Stormbreaker is the only way to access the bifrost. Now if you have problems with them saying the bifrost is the key, thats fine. you are entitled to your opinions and ideas, but it was never Stormbreaker.
The thing about Thanos not using Eternity makes sense lore-wise but wasn't well explained in the film. Eternity is a sentient being prone to subjectivity. 'Erase half of all life.' could be interpreted many ways - as Ryan notes in his Infinity War/Endgame pitch meetings himself. The infinity gauntlet (specifically the Mind Stone) operate from the pure will of the user, essentially auto-correcting all such loopholes and ironing out the kinks to guarantee an outcome as fully aligned to user intent as possible. Thanos meant for his outcome to be exact. Gor was fine if his was messy -- and even the wish he did ask for wound up messy: His daughter revived...But was now a cosmically powered being.
Zeus clearly said Gorr can't come there. Basically he meant Gorr can't do shit against all those gods at once. He lost to 2 Thor's. Imagine what hundreds of gods would do to him. It'd be a suicide.
6:69 I mean it been reveal in Thor the Dark World where a scene Thor and Malekith teleport to different planet while fighting and Thor summon Mjolnr and it awesome.. Mjolnr did go to space just to reach the planet Thor teleport into
Speaking of consistency, people point to a line in Loki as the first reference to vampires in the MCU, despite Korg mentioning them in Ragnarok, when he says a certain weapon could kill three of them huddled together.
Ragnarok is masterpiece in MCU world specifically, Spot on nailed action comedy.... Love and Thunder seriously over did it, but the main issue was "childish" story, the world felt very small.... Ragnarok storyline felt still grand, on physical levels as well as character development levels..... I think this whole year content of MCU on Disney+ and Movies is burning out the writers and the team...You can now spot cheap VFX shots more frequently.... Although for some reason Disney+ series are clearly much better than movies of phase 4.... Don't know where that world building has gone in MCU....Loki had me so hyped...that still has not connected, even though 2 movies on multiverse have released....
I find it funny that no one talks about the fact that Storm Breaker hasn't even existed for a single decade and yet it is somehow the key to the Gate of Eternity.
If they were going with Gorr the god butcher story they should've switched directors. Taika is the next M. Knight in that he's okay in his own lane but there are certain stories and themes they can't handle.
Nope... you brought up Hitler desserts and my mind immediately said "Luftwaffles. They can serve swasticones... with sprink-heils." And damn you for making me think of it.
I watched the movie yesterday. My friend kinda liked it. I am still ambivalent, partly because of the rude behaviour of my "co-watchers" who kept walking in and out of the theatre from time to time to buy snacks (after walking in about 10 minutes after the movie began). It seemed like bits and pieces of the movie were missing (now I know why). Plus Taika seems to be against any kind of 'Director's cut', so we may not get to see the movie with the chopped off bits...
Thor couldn’t have learned about it in the movie because he and Valkyrie talk about it like it’s common knowledge, everyone that mentioned it in the movie did.
About the butchering of the gods at omnipotence city... zeus explained in the movie that gorr wouldn't be able to find the city and that the gods are safe there.
It does make sense for Gorr not attacking all of them where Zeus was. He is putting himself at a great risk. He can barely manage Thor and co., how is he gonna kill all those guys in one place ?
My take in why this movie was goofy was because it was a story told by korg to a bunch of children so he's obviously going to make it goofy and embellished a lot of the main moments like all the kids getting powers because that's what you do in children stories. At least thats how I looked at the entire movie but Valkyrie not wanting to die in battle was extremely uncharacteristic of her since that's exactly how she's always wanted to die so she could go to Valhalla.
I had this idea where they could've just shown Omnipotence City in ruins by the time Thor and company arrive there with Zeus being the only survivor who tells them how Gorr butchered all gods in a small flashback montage. Would've given us a Gorr butchering scene as well as a solid reason why Zeus isn't so keen on helping (other than the fact that he's always been a selfish paranoid even in the mythos). The rest could've been the same but at least that part would've made the movie much more interesting imo
@@1am22 That's sad. Because that would've saved them all that fancy VFX budget (since VFX not being finished is one reason we didn't get more butchering scenes) and a bit that in my opinion felt completely unnecessary.
Nah, no need for complete destruction, it makes the eternity plot useless, i prefer only some big gods get killed to incite fear, Thor is the one who responsible cause Gorr followed his ship, he feels bad and banned from there, steal Zeus' weapon, and the rest of the movie happens like what we get.
@@plstmb6000 to be fair, not EVERY god was in Omnipotence City, so it wouldn't matter to the Eternity plot anyways since even after the destruction, there would be a LOT to butcher.
I’m surprised there was no mention of how they contradict what is sort of a Ragnarok subplot by having Thor learn that Mjolnir isn’t the source of his powers yet have it give Jane… his powers.
So he messed up with his assessment that if all gods are selfish, why would Thor come to rescue the kids, because Gorr didn't kidnap the kids until after he watched Thor and Mighty Thor fight his shadow demons unselfishly in battle to save New Asgard. After Gorr observed that the two Thors were actually not selfish that's when he got the idea to kidnap the kids (I just said the same thing twice). Thor also did attempt to summon Stormbreaker when he was right next to it. In fact, he tried to grab Stormbreaker but it wouldn't budge. Remember that Taika had the running gag that Stormbreaker was jealous of Mjolnir. That's what made it difficult for Thor to summon Stormbreaker.
1) Valid point with the kids, also the movie did cut out a lot of scenes that had to do with Gorr as well that probably would have added more context, just my opinion tho. 2) The point is that Thor could have easily summoned Stormbreaker back to him BEFORE Gorr ever got the chance to even use it or plant it into the ground very easily as distance isn't an issue. There was quite a good timeframe he could have easily done it yet chose to wait til he was within a few feet away. Hell he didn't even seem to care after he came out of the bifrost on earth and just went about his business for awhile. There was no difficulty, just dumb gags and plot devices.
@@demontaco4116 yeah, I agree with you about Stormbreaker. I think Thor should have never summoned Stormbreaker when Gorr was threatening him. In fact, I'm not sure Thor did summon Stormbreaker. Gorr seemed to force Thor's hand open and Stormbreaker just came to him. I could be wrong about that.
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As soon as I watched it, I started feeling like Ryan took it personally. He completely demolished the writing and unlike other movies, he showed no mercy. Loved it
Good.
What are you talking about? This is a normal pitch meeting like any other
He failed to criticse.
@@rishabhsrikanth15 it's not though. This was a FATALITY
@Eternal-X Clips you saying he could've went harder?
All of my friends and I thought Gorr was gonna kill all of the gods where Zeus was, and it was so disappointing to see that not happen.
Imagine the church fight from kingsman, but it's Gorr butchering gods
Because zsus cannot be killed lmao
That's what I thought when I sow the trailer 😑
@@wifparanoid like God of War
One thing Marvel didnt handle well with many other things is Thor's Trauma!
For God sake, he endured trauma after trauma! Mother, father, brother deaths, unknown sister being evil, loosing his identity (as he feels)= hammer, his kingdom, repeated humiliation for thousand years old god of not being powerful avenger which is used as joke(understandable), failing to save humanity too from thanos's hand....what marvel did? Drunk jokes, fat jokes, make him more dummer...
They had freaking chance to dive into Trauma handling! Making gods relatable to humans! Showing that even gods are battling for their dead spirited life to have a spark and reason to live! His meditative journey could have dived deeper into! How he battled with his internal cries and weak moments, some psychological aid from his mates, some deep talks, Guardians of galaxy goofed around him, not a single hero took him and his trauma/failure seriously!..i mean for crying out loud sake, Gorr lost his one daughter in his hand and he went out on rampage of killing all the gods! Thats the trauma, rage, miscalculation, twisted sense of living one goes into after a huge traumatic personal loss... where's Thor's redemption arc?
Oh and if the implication is that after reviving the half dead humanity, he probably felt fine, victorious, redeemed...well thats not how it works given the scale of number of losses he endured...soldiers go on battles, wars. Even when they are victorious they come home with trauma, anxiety of post war effects! Victory do not compensate for the traumatic experiences
My question was how the heck was storm breaker part of the lore when it was only created for Thor to use to fight Thanos with. Was it inspired by previous axe with the same name. Details like these are important to prevent confusion.
ithink it was mentioned 'bifrost was the key',not 'storm breaker was the key'.
It's bifrost, so the keys before stormbreaker is Heimdall's sword and rainbow bridge.
Yeah the bifrost was the key ..since Heimfall is no more mjonir couldn't the bifrost the axe is specially built to summon it itself
Ok I guess I zoned out a little when they said that.
This movie is full of plot holes and goofy rules, so don't worry about anything happening and finding the reason behind it. Anyone can weild anyone's weapon now. Suddenly everyone is worthy of mijnoir.
Having gorr attack olympia would have been great. They could also have used that scene to tell him about Eternity. Maybe he tortures one god after retreating to tell him. It felt akward when they said he won't reach eternity because we weren't told before that that is his plan.
I was also pissed by thor making the same mistake with the bifrost as in ragnarok.
And are you telling me that only asguardians can reach eternity because of the bifrost?
He also gives stormbreaker to a kid. What if it is taken by someone else again? He should put a charm on it like Odin
The kid should have mjolnir. If she's not worthy, i don't know who is
The Necro sword told him to go Eternity during the beginning of the film
Was it Olympia or Omnipotent City?🤔
I thought the reason Zeus didn't want Thor to leave was that gorr could get the location of the city from Thor and then attack? That was before they realized he was going to Eternity instead.
One thing Marvel didnt handle well with many other things is Thor's Trauma!
For God sake, he endured trauma after trauma! Mother, father, brother deaths, unknown sister being evil, loosing his identity (as he feels)= hammer, his kingdom, repeated humiliation for thousand years old god of not being powerful avenger which is used as joke(understandable), failing to save humanity too from thanos's hand....what marvel did? Drunk jokes, fat jokes, make him more dummer...
They had freaking chance to dive into Trauma handling! Making gods relatable to humans! Showing that even gods are battling for their dead spirited life to have a spark and reason to live! His meditative journey could have dived deeper into! How he battled with his internal cries and weak moments, some psychological aid from his mates, some deep talks, Guardians of galaxy goofed around him, not a single hero took him and his trauma/failure seriously!..i mean for crying out loud sake, Gorr lost his one daughter in his hand and he went out on rampage of killing all the gods! Thats the trauma, rage, miscalculation, twisted sense of living one goes into after a huge traumatic personal loss... where's Thor's redemption arc?
Oh and if the implication is that after reviving the half dead humanity, he probably felt fine, victorious, redeemed...well thats not how it works given the scale of number of losses he endured...soldiers go on battles, wars. Even when they are victorious they come home with trauma, anxiety of post war effects! Victory do not compensate for the traumatic experiences
If Gorr had attacked Olympus, we would have had the closest thing to God Of War movie.
I'm down for a fun '"Who really cares? Just have fun" romp of a film but maybe the place for it isn't 29 movies into a shared universe where numerous tragedies have occurred and now establishing things that could have absolutely prevented all those tragedies. Like sure I'm willing to believe the humans and even Thor etc didn't know about the 'realm of eternity' but you're telling me Thanos who basically ripped apart the universe finding the infinity stones didn't happen upon the 'come make a wish and get what you want' realm.
Yeah made sense, but also it's kinda impossible after Hela, because the bifrost is unaccessible, no rainbow bridge and stormbreaker didn't exist yet to open the portal.
But before Hela, yeah it's possible if Thanos had the initiative to attack asgard first. Especially if he knows that Odin is not actually there.
Maybe but Thanos had Tunnel Vision for the Infinity stones which by the Way let you Have INFINITE wishes and not just the 1.
@@AlbertoMartinez765 But... he only ever wanted to use one wish. He destroyed them afterwards.
One thing Marvel didnt handle well with many other things is Thor's Trauma!
For God sake, he endured trauma after trauma! Mother, father, brother deaths, unknown sister being evil, loosing his identity (as he feels)= hammer, his kingdom, repeated humiliation for thousand years old god of not being powerful avenger which is used as joke(understandable), failing to save humanity too from thanos's hand....what marvel did? Drunk jokes, fat jokes, make him more dummer...
They had freaking chance to dive into Trauma handling! Making gods relatable to humans! Showing that even gods are battling for their dead spirited life to have a spark and reason to live! His meditative journey could have dived deeper into! How he battled with his internal cries and weak moments, some psychological aid from his mates, some deep talks, Guardians of galaxy goofed around him, not a single hero took him and his trauma/failure seriously!..i mean for crying out loud sake, Gorr lost his one daughter in his hand and he went out on rampage of killing all the gods! Thats the trauma, rage, miscalculation, twisted sense of living one goes into after a huge traumatic personal loss... where's Thor's redemption arc?
Oh and if the implication is that after reviving the half dead humanity, he probably felt fine, victorious, redeemed...well thats not how it works given the scale of number of losses he endured...soldiers go on battles, wars. Even when they are victorious they come home with trauma, anxiety of post war effects! Victory do not compensate for the traumatic experiences
That shouldn't be an excuse for absolute lazy writing, though...
5:03 When I was watching the movie I did think that Gorr was going to attack, and I was waiting for that, A HUGE MISSED OPPORTUNITY
definitely a missed opportunity. But the written script stated that the city is hidden and Gorr does not know where it is. Also there's no way he's going against all the gods after almost losing to Thor.
He isn't strong enough to handle an entire city of gods all at once
Bro he just lost to 2 Thors with each of their thunder weapons. Imagine what a pantheon could do
That Infinity Cones place really bothered me when I watched this movie. Like imagine how pissed people would be if someone did something like that in real life.
“Come get your 9/11 pies! 50% off for all of September!!!”
They literally took the Gorr storyline from the books that was deadly serious in it's tone,won countless awards for it's storytelling and art, described as one of the best books ever and brought it to the movie screen not even resembling a percentage of what's in the book. Dumbed it down with countless jokes that fell flat. I understand changing a few things but they took a story and ripped it to shreds. And B4 someone says it's just comic book nerds crying about them changing their favorite characters,a lot of times the story can still be amazing if you left it alone. Imagine lord of the rings,Harry Potter and other books that were made into movies if they just changed majority of it. Hela killed more gods onscreen than Gorr. Thor had to get his teenage self, present and future self to team up to fight him and even that wasn't enough.i thought marvel would get past the bring in badass villains then kill them off after one movie tropes but I was wrong.
They should have never touched the storyline at all to be honest. Everyone is mad about the comedic tone of the film, but look at Waititi's catalogue of work, and Love and Thunder is consistent with it. I'm fairly certain it was widely accepted that Ragnarok was a much needed refresh of Thor's character after the first two films, and it was a bold new direction that you can't just switch back to serious from, esp if you're keeping Waititi at the helm.
Instead of chasing hype, they really just should have left this storyline in the books. There's nowhere they could have gone with it.
Lord of rings anyhow coming for genz people now 😂
One thing Marvel didnt handle well with many other things is Thor's Trauma!
For God sake, he endured trauma after trauma! Mother, father, brother deaths, unknown sister being evil, loosing his identity (as he feels)= hammer, his kingdom, repeated humiliation for thousand years old god of not being powerful avenger which is used as joke(understandable), failing to save humanity too from thanos's hand....what marvel did? Drunk jokes, fat jokes, make him more dummer...
They had freaking chance to dive into Trauma handling! Making gods relatable to humans! Showing that even gods are battling for their dead spirited life to have a spark and reason to live! His meditative journey could have dived deeper into! How he battled with his internal cries and weak moments, some psychological aid from his mates, some deep talks, Guardians of galaxy goofed around him, not a single hero took him and his trauma/failure seriously!..i mean for crying out loud sake, Gorr lost his one daughter in his hand and he went out on rampage of killing all the gods! Thats the trauma, rage, miscalculation, twisted sense of living one goes into after a huge traumatic personal loss... where's Thor's redemption arc?
Oh and if the implication is that after reviving the half dead humanity, he probably felt fine, victorious, redeemed...well thats not how it works given the scale of number of losses he endured...soldiers go on battles, wars. Even when they are victorious they come home with trauma, anxiety of post war effects! Victory do not compensate for the traumatic experiences
Killing villains isnt bad and comedy isnt bad
@@abhijeetjadhav2961 taika not marvel. Also we already covered that with endgame
The only part of the movie I actually got excited by, was when everything went into black and white... tbh, I miss the quality of the MCU phase 1-3 movies. Disney is ruining Marvel with its kid friendly stance and everything feels rushed.
Multiverse of Madness, Blade, Deadpool. They are starting with some darker properties. Wakanda Forevers trailer also looks like its gonna be more of a heavy movie.
Its just the Thor franchise that went to shit because they hired somebody who doesnt give a shit about the universe or the established characters.
Well in this movie they did not finish all the CGI & visuals in time for the release & had to cut whole sequences ... Yea, that screams rushed... And since there is no obvious goal in Phase 4... The movies are just filler at this point ... Phase 1-3 had practically 2 goals... 1. The avengers & 2. Thanos... These goals were stated fr the very first movie in Ironman.... While in Phase 4... I have no idea what's going on
@@claudewinters2091 Thanos was never planned. They added him in the post credits when they made the first Avengers movie. Even Nick Fury got added spontaneously in the first Iron Man. Phase 4 has multiple projects featuring the Multiverse and kicks off the "Multiversal Saga" and you try to tell me theres no plan?
@@Serryy uhmm Thanos was planned... In phase 1... He was added to the post credit scene of the First Avengers movie... He was in the first GOG movie and his plan was also mentioned but fleshed out over subsequent movies... The Infinity Gauntlet was in Thor 2
Avengers were mentioned fr Ironman 1 and subsequently built upon with each movie as a means to introduce each new avenger that would make up the team - that's what happened during phase 1-3.
The multiverse has been teased fr the start of Phase 4 but nothing about the goal of phase 4. We knew the goals of phase 4 from the first Ironman movie .. what are the goals of phase 4? Can you tell me ?
@@claudewinters2091 You said they were planning Thanos from the beginning of phase 1. They didnt. They didnt even plan "The Avengers" until Samuel L Jackson just went and did the post credit scene.
You want to know the goal of phase 4? Watch "Loki". Its a terrible show, but the final episode lays it out pretty well. Also not a good episode btw.
The Korg Mother part could be explained as the "mother" is the parent who gives birth, regardless of the fact both parents seem "male". An example I've seen before is used in Mass Effect. Asari are an "All Female" race, in that they all use female pronouns, and appear feminine or as females, but when two Asari get together to produce a daughter, they still call the parent who didn't give birth "Father". So it could be an example like that... or just a plot mistake.
Here is a general rule... If you have to make up an explanation how to close a plot hole... its bad writing.
5:10 Jaby are you serious ? I was expecting Gorr to attack that place like Ryan George, like I thought it was obvious place to attack
Fr. That was one of the more popular theories
@@jny8498 Yeah
Considering the fact that they made gorr such weak that Thor,Jane and Valkyrie was getting heavy on him, he would have been slaughtered if he attacked omnipotence city will all those gods
I think you guys need to rewatch the movie. Zeus specifically said that the City is hidden and Gorr does not know where they live.
@@myplaylist3738 yes but it was written that way, they also could have wrote it so that he Gorr does find the city and slaughters a lot of gods there.
Ryan’s new “Hey, shut up!” joke gets me every time 😂
Stormbreaker was made during Infinity War but the book that Goor uses shows that the axe was always the key to access Eternity. Thats a major plothole there nobody thought about.
*Stormbreaker was always there. It just wasn't forged yet until infinity war.*
I didn't think much of that because we're dealing with magical entities and someone must have the ability to see the future
Gorr was the best part of the movie for me and I think if they had used him a lot, it would have been better. It could have been a little more serious like the 1st Thor movie, with less jokes that made sense.
They did a really shitty job at showing why Gorr would make that choice to spare the gods for his daughter in the end.
One thing Marvel didnt handle well with many other things is Thor's Trauma!
For God sake, he endured trauma after trauma! Mother, father, brother deaths, unknown sister being evil, loosing his identity (as he feels)= hammer, his kingdom, repeated humiliation for thousand years old god of not being powerful avenger which is used as joke(understandable), failing to save humanity too from thanos's hand....what marvel did? Drunk jokes, fat jokes, make him more dummer...
They had freaking chance to dive into Trauma handling! Making gods relatable to humans! Showing that even gods are battling for their dead spirited life to have a spark and reason to live! His meditative journey could have dived deeper into! How he battled with his internal cries and weak moments, some psychological aid from his mates, some deep talks, Guardians of galaxy goofed around him, not a single hero took him and his trauma/failure seriously!..i mean for crying out loud sake, Gorr lost his one daughter in his hand and he went out on rampage of killing all the gods! Thats the trauma, rage, miscalculation, twisted sense of living one goes into after a huge traumatic personal loss... where's Thor's redemption arc?
Oh and if the implication is that after reviving the half dead humanity, he probably felt fine, victorious, redeemed...well thats not how it works given the scale of number of losses he endured...soldiers go on battles, wars. Even when they are victorious they come home with trauma, anxiety of post war effects! Victory do not compensate for the traumatic experiences
Hearing the what if about having all the Gods in one place then Gorr showing up, really had me thinking
IF Gorr had showed up he would have Died ,period there were Celestials there..Celestials..let that Sink In It took Thor and Jane Just TWO GODS to take him out, there were thousands at that place you kidding me? Gorr was just a Mortal wielding the Necro sword he wasn't Knull.
What if gor killed all the gods ?
Still waiting for the Thor Love and thunder breakdown by new rockstars reaction from you guys.
Same
Haven't seen it. I bet dude was talking stupid whoo hoo Disney can do no wrong!!!!
Tevin Edwards. You specifically support Ryan
Because he disses marvel .
Biased person claiming others to be biased. How pathetic
1:50 Thor love and Thunder Ultimate Edition with all those scenes completed would be nice
too bad cause Taika hate director's cuts 😂
Love Stephs T. Shirt... "We Crashed" is such an amazing TV series that's definitely worth binging or following
1:50 Christian Bale confirmed he did scenes with Jeff Goldblum and Peter Dinklage (presumably torturing and killing their respective MCU characters). Lena Headey also played another one of Gorr's victims but that was cut too.
3:27 What tourist spots?!
This is the type of flick that a lot of these meetings would actually concoct.
"VFX not being completed on time". Well, the crisis is real.
Indeed, missed opportunities and a poor plot have given us the very worst in the entire franchise so far.
I think Doctor Strange Multiverse of madness is the very worst
Man.. I like this movie.. it's my favourite Marvel movie now.. you can say whatever you want
@Alberto Moscoso Jr.
It's a good movie. Just stop this crap
Worse in the entire franchise?? It’s still better than the first two thors and a lot of other marvel movies despite its flaws at least it’s fun
Anyone that defends this crap and utters the words "forced inclusion" has got some serious issues.
I had the thought about halfway through that this movie isn't depicting the actual events. The framing device is Korg telling the story. We are watching Korg's version of what happened. I was already enjoying the film, but once I started thinking of it that way I enjoyed it even more. Plus, it makes the oddly placed jokes and humor make sense. That's exactly the kind of thing I could see Korg do when he is telling the part of a story that he finds sad or uncomfortable.
huh cool theory
This will be my copium.
That must be the view the writer used.
That's really smart but I think you're giving the film more credit than it deserves
Occasionally breaking the Scene with some kid Interjecting and Korg Correcting him would fix the plot
also taika wrote for this film and he didnt for last thor movie. that makes lot of sense.
Yeah , they have everything in mcu like time machine , ant man tech , wakandan tech , kamartaj sorcery etc. etc. ,But they don't have a cure for cancer .
0:01 dude turned into soldier boy💀
You might wanna lay off some weed huh?
@@nawinrueangsungnoen3243 Nu uh
Hmm I thought he was gonna be blown away by the previous part, maybe they weren't paying attention 🤓 I feel like Achara loved it too 😂
I just watched Thor Love & Thunder yesterday. Not going to lie I loved it. Not as Good as Ragnarok certainly, it had a Looooot of Jokes but I never felt tired of them since I went in there knowing there were a lot of jokes ( from the complaints and its Taika Waititi ) I thought it was a cool sweet film, I had Fun and that all that mattered to me.
Yes... Finally someone
Even Ryan didnt speak about Valkyrie and all Asgardians wanting to die in battle and going to Valhalla, she even said it earlier in the movie. But the minute she got stabbed she was scared and decided she didnt want to fight anymore. Completely 180d her character
One thing Marvel didnt handle well with many other things is Thor's Trauma!
For God sake, he endured trauma after trauma! Mother, father, brother deaths, unknown sister being evil, loosing his identity (as he feels)= hammer, his kingdom, repeated humiliation for thousand years old god of not being powerful avenger which is used as joke(understandable), failing to save humanity too from thanos's hand....what marvel did? Drunk jokes, fat jokes, make him more dummer...
They had freaking chance to dive into Trauma handling! Making gods relatable to humans! Showing that even gods are battling for their dead spirited life to have a spark and reason to live! His meditative journey could have dived deeper into! How he battled with his internal cries and weak moments, some psychological aid from his mates, some deep talks, Guardians of galaxy goofed around him, not a single hero took him and his trauma/failure seriously!..i mean for crying out loud sake, Gorr lost his one daughter in his hand and he went out on rampage of killing all the gods! Thats the trauma, rage, miscalculation, twisted sense of living one goes into after a huge traumatic personal loss... where's Thor's redemption arc?
Oh and if the implication is that after reviving the half dead humanity, he probably felt fine, victorious, redeemed...well thats not how it works given the scale of number of losses he endured...soldiers go on battles, wars. Even when they are victorious they come home with trauma, anxiety of post war effects! Victory do not compensate for the traumatic experiences
Actually a lot of people seemed to miss out that Zeus tells Thor that omnipotence city is hidden out somewhere between realms so unless someone's a god or has been there before or know where it is, no one can find this city of the gods, that's why Zeus and all gods wanted to stay there for safety.
Still would have been interesting if Gorr was finding gods and torturing them for information to omnipotence city so he could find the information to eternity. It felt too easy for him to find the information. Was it the axe or the bifrost that allows you to enter Eternity? Bifrost makes sense. Stormbreaker? That was created 5 or 6 years ago.
They also stated that he can't reach this "eternity", could hv used the same way. Rubbish plot lines just.
My thoughts when watching was Gorr actually followed Thor, and made Thor kinda responsible, cause he unintentionally brings the butcher to gods meeting.
Made him more motivated to kill Gorr
But Ryan wasn’t trying to say the it didn’t make sense, he was saying that it was a missed opportunity plot-wise. Instead of having a meeting with a bunch of gods and making up some arbitrary justification for why the god-butcher couldn’t be there, they could have made a cool fight scene out of it.
Oh c'mon
"Taika Watiti doesn't care about your loyalty to consistency" isn't a great way to approach creating a film linked to an established franchise with an established fan base that had watched all the previous films....... Now I am VERY worried about Taika Watiti directing the next Star Wars film... but by now I kind of feel like a battered spouse returning to an abusive relationship... I'm done
In comics, Gorr tortures Thor for information on all gods and then Thor escapes for his life!!!...imagine that in the movie!!!!
Holy shit, Thor has a hammer!? And my balls have hair!? The many surprises of Jaby. Next he reveals that he prefers al dente noodles. Then he acts really surprised about it.
Lol, Stephs response to the hit-ler desert ideas is spot on.
There's also the fact that Stormbreaker is, according to these ancient inscriptions, the key to the realm of Eternity even though Stormbreaker was first constructed approximately 20 minutes ago.
I can sometimes understand why people can like a movie, but HOW CAN YOU LIKE THIS?!?
Exactly it was a dumpster fire
My favorite Thor movie after sitting on it.
I can't believe you didn't even think that Gorr might show up where Zeus is entertaining all the Gods, butchering away, because some of us were conjecturing that the reason why Valkyrie had Zeus' lightning bolt in the trailer was that Gorr had killed him (and who knows what other gods), and assumed that they would be going to New Asgaard from Olympus (instead of the other way around) because that's where Gorr was apparently heading next, we decided.
He couldn’t summon Stormbreaker because they kept foreshadowing the joke that it was jealous of his hammer so it want working properly.
Ps I loved love and thunder
It's best marvel movie only if you can watch offscreen footage
Best Part about Thor 4 is that the Ending was great with Love & Thunder Phrasing.
The ending was shitty too. "Heres the kid, care for it" "Ok". Maybe give Thor an actual connection to the child or a specific reason why hes wanting to adopt it instead of one small throwaway line of "i wanted children"
Lol. No
You'll notice that this girl , Achara, whoever sits next to him when reviewing any of this marvel stuff goes "I didn't think about that" or "it didn't really bother me" for any of the hundreds of plot problems with these movies.
This is the audience Marvel is making the movies for. They've realized they can dumb down the content.for the casual viewer and they won't mine. So be prepared of more of these irreverent, nonsensical plots because a long as these casual viewer types like it their bottom line won't be affected
ok Ryan
Wow you are so cynical and rude
Dude Chill, it's just a movie. Many people don't read the comics and are not so nerdy about all this stuff, but that doesn't mean you will have to attack them. Marvel movies have been around for more than a decade now, they know that the vast majority of the people watching them are not familiar with their comics, so if they had to dumb down their content they would have done it a long time ago.
Not dumb down, but simplify. Comics is too weird and too long for live action adaptation.
What Marvel needs is make them simple and make it a good movie, with a good story and characters, that's all.
If they can't do that? Well, people will be tired anyway, there are already many alternatives to marvel movies.
Dctards calling others bad lmao.
3:28 My immediate thought: mustachio pistachio ice-cream.
6:15 "Gorr steals StormBreaker" -> This film introduces two contradictions. Stormbreaker is a living being with a mind of its own and *jealous* of Thor's relationship with Mjolnir. But - Gorr just steals it, and it does nothing, does his bidding with no problem. And now Thor can't summon it, even though the whole point is that the thing can reach from here to Eternity - literally. Taika, Taika, Taika, you must take us all for fools. Don't write garbage and serve it to us, again.
I think Thanos doesn't know about Eternity's wish at the center of the universe and Stormbreaker being the key to it. Gorr only knew of it because the Necrosword whispered it to him. The sword's existence predates the infinity stones as far as I can recall.
3:20 Search Hitler Ice Cream, there was that in India
"Hitler Roasts" sounds like good name for a comedy club😗
The perfect set up for the God massacre couldn’t happen bc the movie is funny cool stuff like that just can’t happen to Thor anymore.
Not saying it isn't a continuity error because I haven't watched "Love and Thunder"; but Korg's mother could have had a boyfriend, and his father could have married his giving Korg two Dads.
I was discussing this with a friend. Stormbreaker shouldn't have been the "key" to opening the door to Eternity. It was only forged a few years ago, and I doubt most people don't know much about the weapon and what it can do. There certainly won't be ancient texts about it.
What they should have said is that the power used to seal the door would require something comparable to the Infinity Stones to unseal it, like leaving the Bifrost open too long. Thor can be like, "Well, the Rainbow Bridge was destroyed and there is no way for him to open the Bifrost ... except ... Stormbreaker ..."
It would have given Russell Crowe an opportunity to really shine. Go from playing Zeus all jokey and bombastic, to deadly serious as he realises there is one threat to the gods, and that's if Thor tries to save the Asgardian children and Gorr gets his hands on Stormbreaker. So he tries to force Thor to stay, they fight, Thor leaves, and Zeus is proven right. Atleast until Thor uses compassion and empathy to reach Gorr and change his mind.
I think the failing of this movie is that it sees perfect opportunities to have great acting, great drama, great conflicts, both physical and psychological, and instead it scoffs at them and makes a joke instead. Many jokes. Far too many jokes.
I've noticed that Jaby started off really loving this movie and has gradually become more and more critical of it. Which is right, you should be critical of it. If Marvel think this is what people want to watch, they'll put out more and more of it and the MCU will quickly turn into a bad parody of itself.
I may be misremembering, but I feel like there was a mention of the Bifrost actually being the key, but now it is solely contained within Stormbreaker. I don’t know if it was explicitly said aloud or if it was just on the plans that Jane saw, but for some reason I have a vague memory of the mention of the Bifrost.
@@kimberlyzulock4426 Clarification on one of the many plot-holes is not what's needed to fix this film. It needs better writing over all, and atleast some reverence for the subject matter. This felt like Taika had disdain for all things Marvel and wanted to just get it off his chest. And now he wants to do Star Wars? Yeah, no thanks.
@@kimberlyzulock4426 I just watched Jeremy Jahn's spoiler review and follow-up video. He says it far more eloquently than I, so watch that if you haven't already.
It was never Stormbreaker. They said "Bifrost is the key" many times. Stormbreaker has the ability to access the bifrost, which is mentioned when it is forged and how Thor now travels around. With Asgard destroyed Stormbreaker is the only way to access the bifrost. Now if you have problems with them saying the bifrost is the key, thats fine. you are entitled to your opinions and ideas, but it was never Stormbreaker.
@@coldfire22 thanks for making me feel less crazy…I thought I was just making something up in my head! 😂
The thing about Thanos not using Eternity makes sense lore-wise but wasn't well explained in the film. Eternity is a sentient being prone to subjectivity. 'Erase half of all life.' could be interpreted many ways - as Ryan notes in his Infinity War/Endgame pitch meetings himself. The infinity gauntlet (specifically the Mind Stone) operate from the pure will of the user, essentially auto-correcting all such loopholes and ironing out the kinks to guarantee an outcome as fully aligned to user intent as possible. Thanos meant for his outcome to be exact. Gor was fine if his was messy -- and even the wish he did ask for wound up messy: His daughter revived...But was now a cosmically powered being.
Thor's roommate Darrell made me laugh my ass off lol
Zeus clearly said Gorr can't come there. Basically he meant Gorr can't do shit against all those gods at once. He lost to 2 Thor's. Imagine what hundreds of gods would do to him. It'd be a suicide.
but only those 2 Thors have balls, Zeus is a coward also the other Gods, they watched Zeus got "killed" and did nothing 🤣
But it would’ve been a cool scene tho
@@davidgordillo6583 but the movie won’t happen
Gorr lost to 2 Thors
Gorr's shadow monsters lost to children
Mjolnir broke Necrosword with one hit
Zeus was nearly killed by his own lightning
👌👌👌
Yeah thought the same too.....
Korg's body was explained. He said with time his body grew back.
And the place with all the gods was hidden, so Gorr couldn't find it.
3:28 Concentration Cones
6:69 I mean it been reveal in Thor the Dark World where a scene Thor and Malekith teleport to different planet while fighting and Thor summon Mjolnr and it awesome.. Mjolnr did go to space just to reach the planet Thor teleport into
There's a time and place for comedy. 🤣
5:00 no because literally i CANNOT explain to you how UPSET i was that Gorr didn’t wreck Omnipotence City
gorr didnt do shi in the movie at all
taika cut the best part and kept the CRINGE AHH OLDHEADS JOKES.
“OMG, I didn’t think about that”.
Every time dude. That’s just as anticipated as these projects being trash.
Infinity cones would be like having 9/11 tacos
in the movie, zeus clearly says that nobody knows that place expect the gods themselves, so basically Gorr couldn't have come there.
he could have tortured one of the other gods he killed for the location.
3:30 Whatvwould be a good Winston Churchill desert??
Speaking of consistency, people point to a line in Loki as the first reference to vampires in the MCU, despite Korg mentioning them in Ragnarok, when he says a certain weapon could kill three of them huddled together.
Ragnarok is masterpiece in MCU world specifically, Spot on nailed action comedy....
Love and Thunder seriously over did it, but the main issue was "childish" story, the world felt very small.... Ragnarok storyline felt still grand, on physical levels as well as character development levels.....
I think this whole year content of MCU on Disney+ and Movies is burning out the writers and the team...You can now spot cheap VFX shots more frequently....
Although for some reason Disney+ series are clearly much better than movies of phase 4....
Don't know where that world building has gone in MCU....Loki had me so hyped...that still has not connected, even though 2 movies on multiverse have released....
Ragnarok isnt a masterpiece. It demolished Thor, Loki and Banner as characters and it gave us Taikas Waititi self-insert and a big CGI wolf.
I find it funny that no one talks about the fact that Storm Breaker hasn't even existed for a single decade and yet it is somehow the key to the Gate of Eternity.
I liked seeing Thor shirtless and seeing his behind
Taika watiitititititititit boooooom 💥
I thin regarding the "missing chance" with the gods place, i think it was on purpose, we all expected Gohr to shiw up there and fight all the gods
I was just about to search this up until it showed up in my notification feed.
A reason he couldn’t call worldwide back would be that they are fighting the whole movie
"So Thor kinda has a daughter now."
He already would if Marvel gave a damn about Norse mythology.
If they were going with Gorr the god butcher story they should've switched directors. Taika is the next M. Knight in that he's okay in his own lane but there are certain stories and themes they can't handle.
3:29 for cannibals it can be 'Jewels mousse'...
This was not Gorr. In the comics, Gorr was so powerful that it took the past, present, and future versions of Thor to even stand a chance against him
Well jaby did try hard to defend this movie in review duh
I loved it
Not thor LnT this video
Gorr didn't know where omnipotence city was. Thats why zeus wouldn't let Thor leave the place
If strombraker is the key to infinity.. so there was no particular key before it was forged..
1. Why was Gorr going to new Asgard when there was no god there?
2. When does the 4-hour Waititi cut come out?
Nope... you brought up Hitler desserts and my mind immediately said "Luftwaffles. They can serve swasticones... with sprink-heils."
And damn you for making me think of it.
So, Russell Crowe should have self-referentially broken the fourth wall to ask us "are you not entertained?"?
This one felt personal
3:28: Corn-centration Camps. Just a little corn snack.
I watched the movie yesterday. My friend kinda liked it. I am still ambivalent, partly because of the rude behaviour of my "co-watchers" who kept walking in and out of the theatre from time to time to buy snacks (after walking in about 10 minutes after the movie began). It seemed like bits and pieces of the movie were missing (now I know why). Plus Taika seems to be against any kind of 'Director's cut', so we may not get to see the movie with the chopped off bits...
Thor couldn’t have learned about it in the movie because he and Valkyrie talk about it like it’s common knowledge, everyone that mentioned it in the movie did.
Korg’s parents had big love. Call it bigamy because it was big of them… all of them.
Thor movie and M.O.M really angered me cos I loved the characters
Hitler Juice Shop would have been the poor taste joke you're looking for. 😂
I love someone finally liking the new Thor xD I had a fun time watching it and even a tug for Janes death 😂
About the butchering of the gods at omnipotence city... zeus explained in the movie that gorr wouldn't be able to find the city and that the gods are safe there.
Reaction of a reaction. I think the internet just fell into a recursion loop.
Much like the MCU. 😁
We've been violated
It does make sense for Gorr not attacking all of them where Zeus was. He is putting himself at a great risk. He can barely manage Thor and co., how is he gonna kill all those guys in one place ?
My take in why this movie was goofy was because it was a story told by korg to a bunch of children so he's obviously going to make it goofy and embellished a lot of the main moments like all the kids getting powers because that's what you do in children stories. At least thats how I looked at the entire movie but Valkyrie not wanting to die in battle was extremely uncharacteristic of her since that's exactly how she's always wanted to die so she could go to Valhalla.
Hitler deserts? Just make a whole restaurant and call it Nuremburgers! I'm going to Hell for that joke lol
I want extended version on sale
I had this idea where they could've just shown Omnipotence City in ruins by the time Thor and company arrive there with Zeus being the only survivor who tells them how Gorr butchered all gods in a small flashback montage. Would've given us a Gorr butchering scene as well as a solid reason why Zeus isn't so keen on helping (other than the fact that he's always been a selfish paranoid even in the mythos). The rest could've been the same but at least that part would've made the movie much more interesting imo
Disney just didn't have the balls🤷♂️
@@1am22 That's sad. Because that would've saved them all that fancy VFX budget (since VFX not being finished is one reason we didn't get more butchering scenes) and a bit that in my opinion felt completely unnecessary.
Nah, no need for complete destruction, it makes the eternity plot useless, i prefer only some big gods get killed to incite fear, Thor is the one who responsible cause Gorr followed his ship, he feels bad and banned from there, steal Zeus' weapon, and the rest of the movie happens like what we get.
@@plstmb6000 to be fair, not EVERY god was in Omnipotence City, so it wouldn't matter to the Eternity plot anyways since even after the destruction, there would be a LOT to butcher.
I’m surprised there was no mention of how they contradict what is sort of a Ragnarok subplot by having Thor learn that Mjolnir isn’t the source of his powers yet have it give Jane… his powers.
i guess they literally said that gorr cannot reach omnipotence city
So he messed up with his assessment that if all gods are selfish, why would Thor come to rescue the kids, because Gorr didn't kidnap the kids until after he watched Thor and Mighty Thor fight his shadow demons unselfishly in battle to save New Asgard. After Gorr observed that the two Thors were actually not selfish that's when he got the idea to kidnap the kids (I just said the same thing twice). Thor also did attempt to summon Stormbreaker when he was right next to it. In fact, he tried to grab Stormbreaker but it wouldn't budge. Remember that Taika had the running gag that Stormbreaker was jealous of Mjolnir. That's what made it difficult for Thor to summon Stormbreaker.
1) Valid point with the kids, also the movie did cut out a lot of scenes that had to do with Gorr as well that probably would have added more context, just my opinion tho.
2) The point is that Thor could have easily summoned Stormbreaker back to him BEFORE Gorr ever got the chance to even use it or plant it into the ground very easily as distance isn't an issue. There was quite a good timeframe he could have easily done it yet chose to wait til he was within a few feet away. Hell he didn't even seem to care after he came out of the bifrost on earth and just went about his business for awhile. There was no difficulty, just dumb gags and plot devices.
@@demontaco4116 yeah, I agree with you about Stormbreaker. I think Thor should have never summoned Stormbreaker when Gorr was threatening him. In fact, I'm not sure Thor did summon Stormbreaker. Gorr seemed to force Thor's hand open and Stormbreaker just came to him. I could be wrong about that.