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The debate at the end was exactly what I expected. Like I said, it's like me with my brothers talking about movies lol. A whole full blown hour long debate. Love you guys. You are part of the family now hahaha
People have their issues with Phase 4, but I personally have enjoyed the wide range of content we've gotten out of it: new characters, new status quos, different types of storytelling, and different genre approaches. But I have to say that "Thor: Love and Thunder" was the first *real* let-down for me. I loved "Thor Ragnarok", so I was excited to see what Taika, Hemsworth and co. would do with a 4th movie, after having "figured out" what works with Thor in the 3rd. I really feel this movie suffered from the notion of "this worked before, so let's do it again, but MORE"; in that the comedy was dialed up to 100. I don't mind a barrage of jokes, as long as they're funny & come naturally. I felt that was the case with "Ragnarok". But with "Love & Thunder", a good portion of the jokes simply didn't land. EVERYONE had to try to have a joke or a bit in, and at some point, it felt like an unintentional parody of the previous movie. There's a lot of cool stuff going on in this movie, but I feel that a lot that would've added resonance or added something to the story, was cut or under-developed in favor of the jokes. I'm looking forward to seeing Thor again, and am interested in his new status-quo, but this movie left a lot to be desired, which is a let--down given that pretty much everyone involved with "Ragnarok" and how successful that was, came back for "Love and Thunder".
Hey guys! Little fun fact here, Gorr’s daughter is actually Chris Hemsworth’s actual daughter, so that’s so cute that she got to play a part in his movie. Great video as always. 🥰
@@peterang6912 Well that explains why it tanked. The kids being incorporated, as wholesome as it was for some, killed the movie for me. Movie directors projecting their own real lives into films strikes again.
@@fapperino-ql4zu it didn't tanked because the kids was in it. the writing was bad for most of the fans... the balance between action and comedy was way off...
In terms of why the gods didn’t attack Thor after they witnessed him ‘kill’ Zeus was because, in my opinion, they saw Zeus as the most powerful, and are you going to mess with someone that just came in and took him out in seconds? Probably too afraid of him 😂 love these reactions guys! Started here as you started Harry Potter and binged your whole channel ❤
In the original Nordic lore, Thor has those goats. The lead his chariot into battle and around. He can eat them every night (hence the joke about eating then) and they come back to life every morning for him to use again.
One important thing is that they have to be buried with their bones intact. There's one tale I remember where Thor visits a family of mortals asking for a place to sleep for the night and allows them to join him in eating his Goats in return. However the child of the family who ate of one of the legs chose to break it and eat the marrow inside (can't judge him, that shit is delicious) and when the Goat was then resurrected the next day it was lame leaving Thor stranded in Midgard until the Goat healed. He was quite enraged and as compensation took the responsible child as his squire/servant/thrall (there's many versions) Just an interesting factoid about the myth behind the comics.
@@GamerGrovyle There was an animated short movie with this storyline (I don't remember the Titel of the movie though), only in this it was Loki who tells the boy to remove the bone. Saw that long ago as a child.
The goats(Tanngnjoster and Tanngrisner) pulled his chariot. It was a pig(Särimner) who came back after they ate it and that wasn´t Thor´s, it was the fallen warriors in Valhalla that feasted on it every evening.
I came across a theory about this movie a little while ago that makes it a lot better. The theory is that the whole movie except for the Gorr scene at the beginning and the post credit scene, is told from Korg's perspective, and that he embellished certain parts, which explains all the silly stuff like Stormbreaker being jealous of Mjolnir and Zeus acting really goofy.
If you've seen Taika Waititi's Hunt for the Wilderpeople this theory lines up. But that said, I don't think he nailed the tone in this one. It really didn't feel natural like his humor in Ragnarok, Jojo Rabbit, and Wilderpeople.
So here's my thing, can you explain the differences between this movie "silly/goofy" things and Ragnoroks? People loved it but I don't see a difference between the 2 comedy wise. I can absolutely understand criticisms the villain or whatever but barring that it's pretty much Ragnarok to me, if the comedy wasn't funny to you(I don't just mean you personally but in general) than ok not everything hit for me either but it was literally the same for Ragnarok as well they didn't all hit me. The God laughed after his daughter died yes to highlight EXACTLY why they're terrible. Hela murdered left and right and they got to joking immediately as well. I liked the jealousy of SB they've only ever slightly hinted that the hammers have a sort of sentience to them. I'm not 1 of those who think opinions have to align with mine I like hearing different views, but I do wonder why I see similar things between films and others will see them as nowhere near the same and let 1 slide while hating the other. I only refer to level headed and normal people in general because the one's I've seen hate this film before it even released solely because Jane becomes Thor(something accurate to the comics) opinions don't even deserve to be taken seriously.
@@alexanderthegreat5649 I overall loved the movie and thought it was hilarious. I think though that certain things are bit too silly to have actually happened, which is why I like this theory. The basic story actually happened, but the way Zeus acted and Stormbreaker being jealous were just made up by Korg. I just think this is a good way to get people to calm down about hating the movie so much. Also, I feel like Ragnarok's silly things were a bit more realistic than this movie. Again, I have no issues with either movie and love them both.
@@cthulhuwu_ While I do love this movie, I did notice that. Overall, I still thought the movie was very fun, but there was a very different tone. This theory doesn't fix everything, but I do think it could help people who hate the movie.
@@alexanderthegreat5649 much of Ragnarok was improvised. And the overall tone of the movie made it mesh very well. And the villain has less nuance to her. The Gorr story is extremely dark and serious. turning that story into a comedy simply doesn't work. Also, just because a directors humor is accepted in one movie doesn't necessitate automatic acceptance of that's humor in a different movie. His humor only served to stupidify Thor. And he's not a dumb character. For every aspect of the story, the humor did not fit.
I’m with The Oak on this one! I thought this movie was awful and I’m the type of person who usually defends Marvel titles that typically don’t get the best reviews. I try my best to find the best qualities of these movies but every time I’ve seen this movie, I’ve left having no clue what I’ve watched.
Stormbreaker being... semi-sentient was discussed by Taika Waititi during an interview and it does make sense. Gotta remember that the haft of the ax is one of Groot's arms. Groot, being a sentient tree. That same sentient tree that died, and when Rocket planted a twig from his remains - that twig was able to grow and gain sentience again as well. So considering it's a part of the current Groot - who is, in fact, a teenager and acts much like a teenager does... complete with random (sometimes nonsensical) moodiness, jerlousy, ect. And it's not that farfetched an idea considering just a twig from a destroyed and killed on impact Groot managed to come back to life and grow into an entirely new person. This is further supported when you remember at the beginning of the movie when Thor "plants" Stormbreaker in the ground under that tree... Stormbreaker grew roots.
@@inquisitive6786 - Haha, hate the movie all you want, but if you consider that in particularone of the worst parts, your opinion ain't looking strong...
Gorr's plan wasn't to bring his daughter back. He just wanted revenge but Thor gave him the idea of bringing his daughter back. As far as the Voldemort thing goes, Gorr in the comic books didn't have a nose but they wanted to avoid the Voldemort comparisons so they gave him a nose. There is supposedly like a 4 hour cut of this movie that shows more of Gorr's rampage of killing other gods and more story.
I find it difficult to buy that Gorr would change his mind so quickly tbh. I don't feel like he has any reason to trust Thor to take care of his daughter.
@@kirashaw3541 Well as mentioned his mind and body was being corrupted by the Necrosword. Once it broke he would be more sane and open to reason. It also probably helped seeing Thor as a "human" with love and affection. All his impressions of Gods until then were that they were cold, selfish beings who cared not for humans yet Thor chose to spend his "last moments" with the Human woman he loved rather than trying to stop him from making his wish to kill him and all other gods in the universe.
I think the intro scene was actually great, because it conveys exactly what they were trying to show you. Some Gods see us as nothing but entertainment and the juxtaposition of that tragedy with the jovial gods celebrating is supposed to be jarring.
I've been trying to explain that to others as well lol. So many people miss the great storytelling details cause they're too busy trying to find things they like or dislike based on a bunch of mixed reviews from upset crybaby fans lol. Oh well, history has always shown us that you can never please everyone 🤷🏻♂
the joke about how long it had been for jane and thor when jane says 3-4 years and thor says 8 i think is due to the snap, so for her it had actually not been as long as it had been for him! 😊
@@rachelBradyni what exactly did I say wrong . The original comment mentioned daughter I mentioned son wife and brother I only forgot about other son. So young Thor played by Tristan and second son Sasha is Asgardiian kid
at 1:02:42 Quinn asks about how there's no cure for cancer, as a comic reader and someone who's had family pass from cancer, it comes from a respect about it. In comics cancer is like this thing that rolls in and it's a hard fight and sometimes people lose, just like in real life. I'm not sure exactly why it's been treated like that but I personally appreciate that take on it.
That opening scene was stellar. And it's greatly considered so by even most haters. The God being goofy and the plants all laughing and etc is exactly the point. It showed just how irrelevant humans are to them. He literally just lost his people, his daughter, and his God is having a fun time frolic with nymphs. As a father, if you just lost your daughter and you get a proud god like Loki who mocks you or something you might get angry, you might get furious. But you get a god who is the Joker, is throwing a party and take turns laughing at you like you're not even a person, and you turn insane. It's more than just anger, anger is justified, but the god didn't even not care about what happened to you. He didn't even know you existed. His crying wasn't fury, it was his mind breaking at the absurdity of it all.
I started this video just staring at The Oak for his reactions, because I knew he'd see this film the way I did - and I was not disappointed. Absolutely agree 100%
It's not just the sword....its also the fact that Gorr, for the first time, saw a god choose people over his supremacy as a god....that made so sense.....he is on a revenge mission because he lost his daughter, but if you have an option to seek revenge or bring a loved one back, Gorr made the obvious choice and Thor taught him that he has an option
@@GusHdzRuiz Lol no Taika is not the issue, there has NEVER been an over arching villain other than Thanos and that was 2 movies. It’s ridiculous to think you’d get a long life story told in a movie.
I enjoyed the film, but can see why some people didn't. I understand that it was originally supposed to be three hours long, but a lot was cut in editing. I think that played a big part in why the humor sometimes felt jarring against the serious scenes. I also wish they let Gorr have more screentime and cut the goats after a joke or two.
I personally didn't hate this movie like so many people did. It wasn't great or terrible just MID. Christian Bale was easily the best part of this movie
Fun fact Chris’s sons are both in it: one of them is kid thor and the other is one of the asgardian kids, his daughter played love, his brother Luke played stage thor and his wife played one of thors past lovers: the wolf girl
I felt it was rushed. And it felt like a long snl bit. It was too much comedy to the point when I couldnt manage to shed a tear when Jane passed and usually I would be sobbing. I wish we could have seen Jane transform for the first time and I wish we could have seen Gorr take out more Gods. I wish we could have feared him.
The funny scene immediately after the death of Gorr's daughter is supposed to piss you off and sympathize with Gorr's character. Yes, the movie is all over the place with humor and I think that was a mixture of Waititi trying to direct a good movie and the studio wanting to get that lighting in a bottle that they got with Ragnarok. It entertained me, but it's not in my favorites. Christian Bale didn't really understand the Marvel Cinematic Universe when he sought the role. He wanted to work with Taika Waititi and he absolutely crushed it.
I was laughing the whole time. I had a smile on my face and i was engaged constantly. My quote for this movie during the God fight with the gold blood-spray: "You know, they say less is more, and they're not wrong. But sometimes, on occasion, far too much is just right." Every criticism has it's validity. Honestly, i haven't come across any negative feedback that i found to be unreasonable or without merit. But i honestly just don't care because i had such a good time watching this movie, ESPECIALLY when taking it in as a Korg story. 😍🤣
I'm with Oak. They had a great opportunity to give this film some very serious tones weaved into the comedy, but instead, they just went straight comedy. Hard to think this is from the same director of Jojo Rabbit where the comedy was masterfully balanced with the very serious topic. And to top it off, they just spent the first half of the film making Thor a big, dumb, destructive idiot. And then all of a sudden, at the end, he goes a little philosophical on Gor. (And Thor's been proven to be very intelligent, so the 'big dumb idiot' thing is extremely irritating.) Christian Bale was the highlight of this film. I'm not sure what's going on with Marvel, but Ms. Marvel wasn't their best, Dr. Strange: MoM wasn't their best, She-Hulk hasn't been the best, and now Thor. This has been their weakest phase so far, which is really disappointing after End Game.
The mayority of the underscore results in phase 4 have one main person responsible: Bob Chapeck, previous Disney's CEO now fired. There are several notes and reports saying that the edition in this phase has been made for Marvel movies with no sense at all coming with notes from the CEO's office; not knowing even how to edit, downgrading FX quality and demanding more from their teams for the same payment. Taika have almost 10 hours of filming to be ready for the final revision that was left behind and in the end all had to be discard (Same for Doctor Strange), 30 minutes cut off of the regular Marvel duration for movies; and Chapeck, with a record of horrible results while managing all Disney parks, was given this kind of power to mess everything, and he did it "beautifully" (hence why he was fired).
@@Nala_1230 the difference being the difference is I didn't find it difficult to enjoy those films (except for Thor 2,) while this one I did. But that's just my opinion. If you like it, great, I'm not going to go and tell you you're wrong for having an opinion I don't agree with.
@@nubiana75 agreed. I'm pretty sure the audience is supposed to be horrified and repulsed by the juxtaposition of the tragedy of the mortal world and pointless frivolity of the gods' world. Gorr then introduces mortality to that world.
The opening scene with Gorr and the god, I don't think it was meant to be comedic. I think we were supposed to be mad and feel for Gorr because to me, those are the best villains. The ones where you can say "yeah they've got a point".
To be honest I loved the movie. There's so much that stands out from it. The scene at the ship, both for the romantic conversation between Thor and Thor, and the bit of background story of Valkyrie and Korg. The intro scene. The fight with the Guardians. The Matt Damon and Luke Hemsworth scenes. And the scene with the Gods at Omnipotence city (that introduces so many possible things for the future). But I get why some scenes may annoy some people (not me). Btw Oak's comment about the opening scene, I really like it because for me that was the point of it. The gods don't care about you, that's why "they are joking" while you're suffering. It is to really make the point that mortals are irrelevant for them.
I end up liking the Marvel flicks that diehard fans hate. I loved this as it was so creative and visually stunning and the play on storytelling was a nice touch. If you're a fan of reading ancient myths and how they were told to an audience, you'd appreciate the effort. That being said, I did think that the editing could have been tighter.
Disney forced a hard limit of 2 hours on the runtime of this movie, which is why it is 1 hr 59 min, forcing Taika to cut or drop parts of the movie as well. I do wish we could have gotten more of Gorr.
I think with the opening scene, the difference in Gorr and the flower god shows the whole point of Gorr’s mission. It wasn’t necessarily meant to make you laugh but you see these goofy gods, in goofy costumes who don’t care one bit about peoples troubles yet people still follow them.
Yea the god laughing was good but gorr laughed and some random creatures laughed which didn’t really fit the mood at all. Imo gorr should have been full of rage and despair cos he lost his daughter because the gods didn’t care for their believers
@@bloop1071 Gorr laughed because until he wielded the Necrosword, he was still a follower and discipline of this God. Copying his actions regardless of his mood. He was in pain but still scared and hopeful of the God he followed. Those little people I didn’t quite get
I just watched this movie yesterday . I don't understand why there is so much hate. There were a lot of great moments, comedy and tragedy. I love all the Thor movies in the MCU
I’m a pretty harsh critic of the garbage that Disney passes off as “entertainment”, so I expected I wouldn’t like this movie. I’m happy to report that it wasn’t awful. Too jokey in spots, but to paraphrase Russel Crowe, I was in fact entertained.
I cannot comprehend how people enjoyed this movie. I really can't. Thor Ragnarök was the last decent movie the director made. Half of it was really well done, the other half was shitty cringe jokes etc. Thor love and thunder was like the director decided to take everything shit about Ragnarök and put it into a movie. The best scene in the entire movie was Melissa McCarthy as Hel.
I actually liked it more then I would have thought and more then "Thor Ragnarok". I was glad to see Jane and Darcy again and also Lady Siv and didn't miss Loki to much. One reason that I couldn't realy enjoy it are the shadow-realm-scenes. Even seeing them here at a smaler scale it hurts me looking at them (which is a shame because they are the best parts of the movie.). I don't know why. I have seen movies like "Sin City 2" and "The Spirit" without getting head achke and I like actull black and white movies of all time but these scenes are something different.
I'm with Answer but each to their own :) I think they good parts were better than the bad parts were bad and it is overall entertaining! I'm not sure we are supposed to hate Gorr, I felt like I respected him to be honest, whilst still finding him pretty scary. Christian Bale nailed it!
I fully believe we were supposed to feel some degree of empathy towards Gorr because of the tragedy and how his pain was mocked and corrupted. If we weren't made to feel that from the start, we might not have been able to feel sad for him again at his end. He was meant to be a shade of grey, not a being of pure evil. I also think his pain (and Jane's cancer) were meant to be a sharp juxtaposition to the absurdity of the gods.
This movie was dope and hilarious and it was more emotional than I thought. I thought they portrayed mighty Thor very well people just wanna see a gritty Thor and that’s not his character lol but we need this lighthearted ness because the mcu future is gonna be dark
I will say I have to disagree about the garden of the gods scene, you’re meant to find the gods despicable in that moment based on the weight of what Gor experienced.
I really loved this movie but I could be biased. As someone who was diagnosed with cancer, gone through chemotherapy, and lost faith in religion, I can relate to all of this. Sometimes you don’t know whether to laugh or be dramatic that I’ve personally felt like my life is someone else’s entertainment. Though I do admit the goats were a bit much after a while.
They didn’t want you to laugh in the beginning, btw, they wanted you to sympathize with Gorr and dislike the God that he served. As someone who enjoyed reading about Gorr in the comics, this film did a great disservice to him. I think the tone would’ve been better suited had they chosen another villain with a less heavy backstory who people wouldn’t have minded being a one-off character. Similar to what Hela was for Ragnarok. Not to mention that they chose Bale to portray him to then be wasted. Gorr should’ve been reoccurring like how Thanos was and Kang will be. Gorr should’ve been a focal villain for another 3-Phase Saga. As for Jane… Natalie Portman was never interested in committing to the ten-year contract after what she went through with Star Wars, which was why she never appeared in anything after the last movie she was in, so this was a way to tie up loose ends and give her character a proper farewell.
I think the contrast in the intro was important. His daughter died and here this god is having a good time being goofy and tells the guy like oh who cares about you and your daughter. This sparks the rage in Gorr
I notice when the Oak likes a movie he usually gives a really thoughtful commentary at the end but when he doesn’t he can get a little reductive. Other people have mentioned that the first scene was supposed to make you angry at the gods total indifference so I won’t get into that. Sorry you didn’t like it man and I hope you like the next one better.
There’s apparently a longer and dark cut that included Gor really being a butcher and I’d like to see that. Some of the humor is too much and others worked great.
I like this movie. It has great highs but it also has its lows. But it’s a hard disagree with the opening scene. Gorr lost everything and at the end of it he finds his god and it shows that this god does not care about anything except himself. So why would that god fit in with Gorr’s seriousness when his very first line establishes that everything that doesn’t relate to him is meaningless to him? I think the scene did a great job in showing how callous gods can be imo
That opening scene wasn't played for laughs at all, not sure why you felt you had to laugh at Rapu. It was intended to show how cruel the God was to Gorr
yap.. i never thought that way either when i watched the opening scene. Idk why you guys felt that way(?) maybe you already have prejudice about this movie because it’s again directed by taika?
For me, It was clearly a Taika movie. you get super goofy stuff and mega serious stuff at each extreme, from one scene to the other. Bit like Jojo Rabbit. I didn't love that movie like It's the best Marvel I have seen, but It was good fun, with real good humor AND real good serious tone story parts. The weird thing is that the humor works and the drama stuff works, It just feels not matching at times. I'll still keep watching Chris Hemsworth do Thor and Taïka doing whatever movie. I think The Oak is tough on this movie, but hey, to each their own. Thanks guys for a great reaction, as always!
I 100% agree with The Oak! What on earth were they thinking with this film?! I absolutely love Marvel but I was so gutted they went in that direction with this one.
You’re not supposed to laugh at the god in the beginning. You’re supposed to be disgusted. This is what a bunch of marvel fan boys don’t understand. They hear someone making a joke and they’re so simple minded that they think they’re supposed to be laughing at it. You felt the emotion you were supposed to feel you just assumed incorrectly. If people would go into these without any assumptions then they would enjoy them.
It sure has taken a big big step away from the MCU in my opinion. But nontheless I think it’s hilarious and also heartbreaking when it needs to be. And those goats. In norse mythology Thor rides over the sky in a chariot pulled by goats so, this is a fun take! And…Jane, The Mighty Thor is awesome ❤️
I think this movie knew exactly what it was, and where it wanted to go. I think it went the directions it went in for a reason, and I don't see anything wrong with it. I truly enjoyed the fact that Gorr ISN'T a clear-cut villain. Life, after all, isn't clear-cut. The 'comedy' of the flower gods scene wasn't actually comedy, and I'm surprised y'all didn't see that. It's intentional. The tragedy of the mortal condition, swept aside for some immortal capriciousness. It was intentional, and it worked. I'm excited to see where Taika goes in the future with it. For me, in complete honesty, I'd give it a 4.6/5. But hey, that's me, and doesn't invalidate anyone else's opinion! =D
Being Lady Thor keeps her healthy and "pauses" the cancer. Every time she goes to human form, the cancer accelerates and the previous chemo treatments are cancelled out bringing her closer to death.
The first half of the movie took a bit to get on track, but the last half I thought was good. Maybe a bit corny at times but Ragnarok showed that was what Thor was about now. I think Ragnarok was a better single world story whereas L&T does a little more for the characters around Thor. The goats were my least favorite part
Little opinion about the opening. I understand how everyone was thinking we jumped to dramatic to comedy. The thing is about perspective of that god as well as all the gods in this movie. The gods see us humans doing all our things, living, dying, making good, bad, heroic, vile, evil decisions & they've seen us from their distance since the dawn of time. I don't think they were trying to be funny with the character of the god. As humans we tend to focus on some of the most odd things when there is a whole universe out there to explore where as in the gods do nothing but focus on EVERYTHING. So that fact that the god is being his excentric & ridiculous self is actually, to me, fitting because they are the most "seen it, done" kind of characters. They don't have a world like ours where we have to have jobs to pay for things, let alone currencies & a search for purpose. In there world things just simply "are." Therefore they just "be." In a way they have the most freedom in the universe as much as a typical star in the sky. Therefore, as dark as it is, why would they understand or even care to understand our, in their eyes, low level of emotions & intelligence when it comes to anything. As a fellow human being, yes death is one of the most hard hitting tragic things to happen. In a perspective of a god however, all they see is, that was a person who no longer is in that world, they no longer are in that physical body, now their essance/spirit is part of the universe & that's happened beyond trillions of times before & will happen again so, "what's new about that?" Kind of thing. Honestly this was my first time even watching due to bad reviews being posted & got to admit, didn't hate it all that much. I understand peoples frustrations of course. Had some fun moments. I agree it has to stick with a theme & not jump all over. However I have seen way worse. Personally, 3.5 answers. Looking forward to the next adventure, ready, willing, & ab🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮 sorry. I don't know why that happened.
Fantastic video again. I had a lot of problems with the film when I saw it. I thought it’s plot was really messy and had way too many jokes and I honestly thought the film was kinda boring and even when it wasn’t insanely long, it kinda felt like it was and felt like it was being drawn out really long and I didn’t really care all that much for the characters and thought the pacing was really inconsistent. It’s honestly a film I like less the more I think about it. But I still think it’s somewhat enjoyable and I still loved the performances and I really like Gorr. I thought he was one of the more sympathetic MCU villains.
I want to quote myself from your weeks preview: I watched „Love and Thunder“ last night and I have to honestly say that it was funny at times, but it was also on the verge of being ridiculous, so that I rolled my eyes from time to time and thought about turning the tv off…. after butchering the goats 😵💫 Taikas Humor was good with Ragnarok cause it had a good balance with the serious scenes but with L&T it was sometimes a bit too much so I didn't know anymore if it was actually Thor or a parody🤷🏼♂️ my humble opinion: one of the weaker MCU movies… 🤷🏼👎🏻
Great honest reactions all of you! I would highly recommend the movie Jo Jo Rabbit, directed by the same Taiki Waititi who also plays Hitler in the movie, I think you'll see a similar vibe/style of story-telling, but much more successful in its delivery. The biggest difference is the real-life historical backdrop of WWII Nazis and the Jews whereas Marvel is fantasy/SciFi where there are no boundaries hence the extremes in comedy vs tragedy. My thoughts anyway. Thanks guys!
I died a little watching Answer's face as The Oak gave his review. Even though I am 100% in agreement with Oak. As a cancer survivor, my faith in God is exactly what got me through it. Much ❤️ to the Badd Medicine crew.
I honestly think the movie was made to showcase the juxtaposition of the fragility and suffering of humanity vs the absurdity of the gods. We are SUPPOSED to feel disgusted by the sudden shift from a mourning father to a sadistic laughing deity. We are SUPPOSED to question whether or not there's reason to the "bad guy's" intention of killing the gods. We are SUPPOSED to see the absurdity in every scene featuring the gods, Thor being one of them. I genuinely believe it was meant to be jarring on purpose, to showcase that juxtaposition, that absurdity. I also happen to find absurdity hilarious, so I absolutely loved this movie, but there's more to it than just comedy. We are SUPPOSED to feel sad for the "bad guy" at the end, because he died in the same state he started, focused on the love of his daughter. If he wasn't a grey villain, we might not have been able to feel as sad for him in the end. If we hadn't seen the jarring absurdity of the gods that he saw, we might not have understood him as well as a morally grey "villain."
This was too absurd. I like absurd movies with absurd humour, but they "have to work" for me. This didn't. I saw the Oak's face through the entire movie and thought to myself "he's with me, he also doesn't like this". And I agree with him: once you're a parent, you see certain stuff different.
I thought that the beginning scene with his god in the oasis showed how entitled the god was in that the god thought it was his followers job to die for him and not to feel like the god had to do anything for his followers. The god thought it was funny his followers thought they were entitled to paradise when they died from their god and the callousness of the god to laugh at the death of his daughter - a mortal.
You guys are the best part of this experience...from a general MCU, Thor fan. Regardless of the movie, reactions are great. Full house reactions with all 4 of you; always the best.
@@BaddMedicine Have always figured that availability and possibly expertise/interest might play a part in the casting for each episide...Though after watching the Harry Potter Transformation of The Oak... make me think that availability is what keeps the Fellowship from always being complete.
Is it me or is there hostility between the oak and the answer? Maybe it's me! Anyways love you guys!!!! I watch from Palm Beach Florida ! Big fan!!! Hiiiiiiii The Appleton Oak! 💋 😉
I seriously think the lack of balance in this movie was because this is the first Thor movie without Loki. Loki was such a driving force in the other movies that without him the writers didn't have any idea where to go with the story.
@@BaddMedicine I wonder that myself, but all in all I think this movie was hurt the most by the absense of Loki. Say what you willabout the character but he did lend a substantial prsence to all the other Thor movies. A superhero movie is only as good as the villain, and did this movie even have a villain? I mean Gorr was creepy and sinister, but he wasn't really wrong. At no point did I ever hate Gorr for what he was doing, I understood why he was doing everything he did. This movie needed Loki to complicate everything and make things worse.
As much as I didn't like this movie, Christian Bale was AMAZING as Gorr. It's a shame we didn't get to see him actually butchering gods, let along seeing more of him
I could tell The Oak was miserable through most of it even though he did enjoy some spots. And you all are right about too much/too little of this and that. I enjoyed it way more than Dark World and even more than the 1st Thor but Ragnarok was way better. It's alright, that's why we watch reactors, to get other POVs. Things that were commented on were things I hadn't thought of (and other reactors hadn't mentioned) so it was good to hear.
Gotta be honest i really dont like this movie. Having a comedy movie with Gorr the god butcher just doesnt really work. They could have utilized him better, and the jokes really went overboard. Thor ragnarok worked because it balanced the humor better. For instance odins death wasnt ruined by a random joke in between where as in this movie his death is played for jokes. Also the scene where thor jokes about sifs arm being gone while shes dying is again just overused comedy. I will say the post credit scene is badass and the jane and thor scenes are good, like her death and the breakup scene but overall this movie could have been so much more
For me it was kinda over when Star-Lord spoke about his loved ones (his team) and Thor started to move in his viewline…. This was so damn silly and out of Thors normal character… but I think it was foreseeable by the end of Endgame when Thor didn’t took Quill serious as leader of the Guardians 🤨
@@BlankSpace83 same. I liked the guardian scenes in this movie and quill talking to thor about how it sucks to lose the ones you care about was a cool scene between the two but the movie just fell off after that.
I'm not a big Marvel fan, didn't like the first Thor movie, didn't see the rest. I thought this one was just plain stupid. (Loved Bale's performance. ) But great reaction & conversation guys. 👍
gold blood is actually in a lot of myths more commonly known a golden ichor, so its actually a really nice easter egg, and yes the goats are also in norse mythology, the screaming part not so much but tanngrisnir and tanngnjóstr.
I'm definitely with Oak on this movie. While it was entertaining to see in theaters, the more I think about it, the more just fed up with the movie I get. It had plenty of potential, but it just squanders it trying to be a comedy. I think if they adjusted the tone, and dialed back the comedy, the movie could have been great, a good B, maybe A tier.
in the comics they explain that turning into thor actually flushes her system of the chemo treatment she was reciving thus reverting her back to a normal cancer patient without any drugs/chemo, it's actually a very tragic story and while it wasnt too well recieved in the comics, i thought that was an awesome caveat to her using the hammer, like she would do it if people needed her to but it was killing her to do so
Mr. The Oak, I feel your pain. I know ASL and man did your body language say a lot! Long face, crossed arms, hardly any laughs. Yep, this was pretty sad when the best part about it was the goats (and the women’s reactions when Zeus dressed Thor! I agree with them.)
I agree with the Oak on pretty much everything. I was hoping for a more serious opening given what happened and so much more different. I was hoping for Liam Neeson’s style and tone of Zeus and a story that at least flowed as good as Ragnarok
The review at the end was HEATED! Regardless, we will still watch the next one. What was your reaction? Did this meet your expectations?
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The debate at the end was exactly what I expected. Like I said, it's like me with my brothers talking about movies lol. A whole full blown hour long debate. Love you guys. You are part of the family now hahaha
People have their issues with Phase 4, but I personally have enjoyed the wide range of content we've gotten out of it: new characters, new status quos, different types of storytelling, and different genre approaches. But I have to say that "Thor: Love and Thunder" was the first *real* let-down for me. I loved "Thor Ragnarok", so I was excited to see what Taika, Hemsworth and co. would do with a 4th movie, after having "figured out" what works with Thor in the 3rd. I really feel this movie suffered from the notion of "this worked before, so let's do it again, but MORE"; in that the comedy was dialed up to 100. I don't mind a barrage of jokes, as long as they're funny & come naturally. I felt that was the case with "Ragnarok". But with "Love & Thunder", a good portion of the jokes simply didn't land. EVERYONE had to try to have a joke or a bit in, and at some point, it felt like an unintentional parody of the previous movie. There's a lot of cool stuff going on in this movie, but I feel that a lot that would've added resonance or added something to the story, was cut or under-developed in favor of the jokes. I'm looking forward to seeing Thor again, and am interested in his new status-quo, but this movie left a lot to be desired, which is a let--down given that pretty much everyone involved with "Ragnarok" and how successful that was, came back for "Love and Thunder".
Hahaha 🤜🤛😁
Well, it did meet my worst expectations.
@@BaddMedicine Y'all gotta do the Honest Trailer reaction to this movie!
Hey guys! Little fun fact here, Gorr’s daughter is actually Chris Hemsworth’s actual daughter, so that’s so cute that she got to play a part in his movie. Great video as always. 🥰
All the children in this movie are from the actors, sound people, director and all the other people who was working on this movie...
@@peterang6912 Well that explains why it tanked. The kids being incorporated, as wholesome as it was for some, killed the movie for me. Movie directors projecting their own real lives into films strikes again.
@@fapperino-ql4zu it didn't tanked because the kids was in it. the writing was bad for most of the fans... the balance between action and comedy was way off...
Also, the wolf lady is the early montage is Elsa Pataky, Hemsworth's actual wife.
In terms of why the gods didn’t attack Thor after they witnessed him ‘kill’ Zeus was because, in my opinion, they saw Zeus as the most powerful, and are you going to mess with someone that just came in and took him out in seconds? Probably too afraid of him 😂 love these reactions guys! Started here as you started Harry Potter and binged your whole channel ❤
Much appreciated Brandon 🤙😁
Agreed!!
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In the original Nordic lore, Thor has those goats. The lead his chariot into battle and around. He can eat them every night (hence the joke about eating then) and they come back to life every morning for him to use again.
One important thing is that they have to be buried with their bones intact.
There's one tale I remember where Thor visits a family of mortals asking for a place to sleep for the night and allows them to join him in eating his Goats in return.
However the child of the family who ate of one of the legs chose to break it and eat the marrow inside (can't judge him, that shit is delicious) and when the Goat was then resurrected the next day it was lame leaving Thor stranded in Midgard until the Goat healed.
He was quite enraged and as compensation took the responsible child as his squire/servant/thrall (there's many versions)
Just an interesting factoid about the myth behind the comics.
@@GamerGrovyle There was an animated short movie with this storyline (I don't remember the Titel of the movie though), only in this it was Loki who tells the boy to remove the bone. Saw that long ago as a child.
The goats(Tanngnjoster and Tanngrisner) pulled his chariot. It was a pig(Särimner) who came back after they ate it and that wasn´t Thor´s, it was the fallen warriors in Valhalla that feasted on it every evening.
I came across a theory about this movie a little while ago that makes it a lot better. The theory is that the whole movie except for the Gorr scene at the beginning and the post credit scene, is told from Korg's perspective, and that he embellished certain parts, which explains all the silly stuff like Stormbreaker being jealous of Mjolnir and Zeus acting really goofy.
If you've seen Taika Waititi's Hunt for the Wilderpeople this theory lines up. But that said, I don't think he nailed the tone in this one. It really didn't feel natural like his humor in Ragnarok, Jojo Rabbit, and Wilderpeople.
So here's my thing, can you explain the differences between this movie "silly/goofy" things and Ragnoroks? People loved it but I don't see a difference between the 2 comedy wise. I can absolutely understand criticisms the villain or whatever but barring that it's pretty much Ragnarok to me, if the comedy wasn't funny to you(I don't just mean you personally but in general) than ok not everything hit for me either but it was literally the same for Ragnarok as well they didn't all hit me. The God laughed after his daughter died yes to highlight EXACTLY why they're terrible. Hela murdered left and right and they got to joking immediately as well. I liked the jealousy of SB they've only ever slightly hinted that the hammers have a sort of sentience to them.
I'm not 1 of those who think opinions have to align with mine I like hearing different views, but I do wonder why I see similar things between films and others will see them as nowhere near the same and let 1 slide while hating the other. I only refer to level headed and normal people in general because the one's I've seen hate this film before it even released solely because Jane becomes Thor(something accurate to the comics) opinions don't even deserve to be taken seriously.
@@alexanderthegreat5649 I overall loved the movie and thought it was hilarious. I think though that certain things are bit too silly to have actually happened, which is why I like this theory. The basic story actually happened, but the way Zeus acted and Stormbreaker being jealous were just made up by Korg. I just think this is a good way to get people to calm down about hating the movie so much. Also, I feel like Ragnarok's silly things were a bit more realistic than this movie. Again, I have no issues with either movie and love them both.
@@cthulhuwu_ While I do love this movie, I did notice that. Overall, I still thought the movie was very fun, but there was a very different tone. This theory doesn't fix everything, but I do think it could help people who hate the movie.
@@alexanderthegreat5649 much of Ragnarok was improvised. And the overall tone of the movie made it mesh very well. And the villain has less nuance to her.
The Gorr story is extremely dark and serious. turning that story into a comedy simply doesn't work.
Also, just because a directors humor is accepted in one movie doesn't necessitate automatic acceptance of that's humor in a different movie. His humor only served to stupidify Thor. And he's not a dumb character. For every aspect of the story, the humor did not fit.
I’m with The Oak on this one! I thought this movie was awful and I’m the type of person who usually defends Marvel titles that typically don’t get the best reviews. I try my best to find the best qualities of these movies but every time I’ve seen this movie, I’ve left having no clue what I’ve watched.
@@missioncodez yeah very deep stuff for npcs
The movie is meant to be told in Korg's perspective. That's why it's silly.
Stormbreaker being... semi-sentient was discussed by Taika Waititi during an interview and it does make sense. Gotta remember that the haft of the ax is one of Groot's arms. Groot, being a sentient tree. That same sentient tree that died, and when Rocket planted a twig from his remains - that twig was able to grow and gain sentience again as well. So considering it's a part of the current Groot - who is, in fact, a teenager and acts much like a teenager does... complete with random (sometimes nonsensical) moodiness, jerlousy, ect. And it's not that farfetched an idea considering just a twig from a destroyed and killed on impact Groot managed to come back to life and grow into an entirely new person. This is further supported when you remember at the beginning of the movie when Thor "plants" Stormbreaker in the ground under that tree... Stormbreaker grew roots.
Russel Crowe is actually doing a Greek accent as Zeus, which would make sense.
Yes, it was a god one too
@@NoSoulJoel177 it was fucking shit, one of the worst things about the movie
@RiptideRambo Someone’s pressed they got shit taste🤣 facts dont care about your feelings ❄️
@RiptideRambo Should 'deal' with that inquisitor for questioning a son of the Emperor.
@@inquisitive6786 - Haha, hate the movie all you want, but if you consider that in particularone of the worst parts, your opinion ain't looking strong...
I think the opening with the God was meant to piss ppl off not make them laugh, to help ppl empathize with gorr and see why he's so angry
yeah exactly it was meant to make you want him to be able to kill the gods and avenge his daughter
I can't speak to the goats screaming thing, but in Norse Mythology Thor's chariot is pulled by two goats. So that was that reference.
Gorr's plan wasn't to bring his daughter back. He just wanted revenge but Thor gave him the idea of bringing his daughter back. As far as the Voldemort thing goes, Gorr in the comic books didn't have a nose but they wanted to avoid the Voldemort comparisons so they gave him a nose.
There is supposedly like a 4 hour cut of this movie that shows more of Gorr's rampage of killing other gods and more story.
4 hours?! I want to see that. This movie felt like the studio cut and not a director cut.
I find it difficult to buy that Gorr would change his mind so quickly tbh. I don't feel like he has any reason to trust Thor to take care of his daughter.
@@kirashaw3541 Well as mentioned his mind and body was being corrupted by the Necrosword. Once it broke he would be more sane and open to reason.
It also probably helped seeing Thor as a "human" with love and affection. All his impressions of Gods until then were that they were cold, selfish beings who cared not for humans yet Thor chose to spend his "last moments" with the Human woman he loved rather than trying to stop him from making his wish to kill him and all other gods in the universe.
@@GamerGrovyle I guess so
My favorite part has to be the jealousy of Storm Breaker it made me laugh so hard 🤣🤣
That was pretty good. We enjoyed the creep in from storm breaker just before the ship took off
I think the intro scene was actually great, because it conveys exactly what they were trying to show you. Some Gods see us as nothing but entertainment and the juxtaposition of that tragedy with the jovial gods celebrating is supposed to be jarring.
exactly, the ridiculousness of the god scene was supposed to underline how little they care for the people's lives.
I hadn't seen it like that and you're right, it does exactly that. It bothered me as well but seeing it like this, it makes sense
I completely agree. I think it was supposed to make us mad and feel for Gorr.
wtf are they talking about? there was no intended comedy in the intro. so weird
I've been trying to explain that to others as well lol. So many people miss the great storytelling details cause they're too busy trying to find things they like or dislike based on a bunch of mixed reviews from upset crybaby fans lol. Oh well, history has always shown us that you can never please everyone 🤷🏻♂
the joke about how long it had been for jane and thor when jane says 3-4 years and thor says 8 i think is due to the snap, so for her it had actually not been as long as it had been for him! 😊
Good call out
Oh wow I didn’t catch that ( tbf I was also annoyed with the movie) that a pretty cool detail
In case you didn't know the girl that played gorr's daughter is chris Hemsworths real life daughter
also in case you did't know the little Thor was his son and the wolf-woman was his wife and theater Thor was his brother
That’s really cool
@@Anna-xi8hu All 3 of his children were in it mate research before giving false details
@@rachelBradyni what exactly did I say wrong . The original comment mentioned daughter I mentioned son wife and brother I only forgot about other son. So young Thor played by Tristan and second son Sasha is Asgardiian kid
@@Anna-xi8hu U literally forgot a child that's what u said wrong u divvy don't speak to me
at 1:02:42 Quinn asks about how there's no cure for cancer, as a comic reader and someone who's had family pass from cancer, it comes from a respect about it. In comics cancer is like this thing that rolls in and it's a hard fight and sometimes people lose, just like in real life. I'm not sure exactly why it's been treated like that but I personally appreciate that take on it.
That opening scene was stellar. And it's greatly considered so by even most haters. The God being goofy and the plants all laughing and etc is exactly the point. It showed just how irrelevant humans are to them. He literally just lost his people, his daughter, and his God is having a fun time frolic with nymphs. As a father, if you just lost your daughter and you get a proud god like Loki who mocks you or something you might get angry, you might get furious. But you get a god who is the Joker, is throwing a party and take turns laughing at you like you're not even a person, and you turn insane. It's more than just anger, anger is justified, but the god didn't even not care about what happened to you. He didn't even know you existed. His crying wasn't fury, it was his mind breaking at the absurdity of it all.
still trash
Agreed
I started this video just staring at The Oak for his reactions, because I knew he'd see this film the way I did - and I was not disappointed. Absolutely agree 100%
It's not just the sword....its also the fact that Gorr, for the first time, saw a god choose people over his supremacy as a god....that made so sense.....he is on a revenge mission because he lost his daughter, but if you have an option to seek revenge or bring a loved one back, Gorr made the obvious choice and Thor taught him that he has an option
In the comics, Gorr is a villian that faces Thor his whole life, it has a lonely Viking vibe and I was sad we didn't get to have that feeling.
That would never have been the case, so that's on you lol
@@emptyasmrman I know. I mean, I knew it wouldn't be the case the moment Taika was set to return, just hoped they would've saved Gorr for later.
@@GusHdzRuiz Lol no Taika is not the issue, there has NEVER been an over arching villain other than Thanos and that was 2 movies. It’s ridiculous to think you’d get a long life story told in a movie.
@@emptyasmrman I didn't mean the Gorr arc, I mean the old viking feeling.
I enjoyed the film, but can see why some people didn't. I understand that it was originally supposed to be three hours long, but a lot was cut in editing. I think that played a big part in why the humor sometimes felt jarring against the serious scenes. I also wish they let Gorr have more screentime and cut the goats after a joke or two.
I personally didn't hate this movie like so many people did. It wasn't great or terrible just MID. Christian Bale was easily the best part of this movie
Fun fact Chris’s sons are both in it: one of them is kid thor and the other is one of the asgardian kids, his daughter played love, his brother Luke played stage thor and his wife played one of thors past lovers: the wolf girl
Fun fact jackie hansen left this comment while taking a shit.
I felt it was rushed. And it felt like a long snl bit. It was too much comedy to the point when I couldnt manage to shed a tear when Jane passed and usually I would be sobbing. I wish we could have seen Jane transform for the first time and I wish we could have seen Gorr take out more Gods. I wish we could have feared him.
The funny scene immediately after the death of Gorr's daughter is supposed to piss you off and sympathize with Gorr's character. Yes, the movie is all over the place with humor and I think that was a mixture of Waititi trying to direct a good movie and the studio wanting to get that lighting in a bottle that they got with Ragnarok. It entertained me, but it's not in my favorites.
Christian Bale didn't really understand the Marvel Cinematic Universe when he sought the role. He wanted to work with Taika Waititi and he absolutely crushed it.
Apparently is never gonna do it again, as apparently he said he didn't want any of Gorr's scenes cut, and they apparently cut A LOT of scenes
How do you not get that going from the daughter dying to the Gods having a good time is literally the point of showing how they dont care.
I know, right?
I was laughing the whole time. I had a smile on my face and i was engaged constantly. My quote for this movie during the God fight with the gold blood-spray:
"You know, they say less is more, and they're not wrong. But sometimes, on occasion, far too much is just right."
Every criticism has it's validity. Honestly, i haven't come across any negative feedback that i found to be unreasonable or without merit. But i honestly just don't care because i had such a good time watching this movie, ESPECIALLY when taking it in as a Korg story. 😍🤣
I'm with Oak. They had a great opportunity to give this film some very serious tones weaved into the comedy, but instead, they just went straight comedy. Hard to think this is from the same director of Jojo Rabbit where the comedy was masterfully balanced with the very serious topic.
And to top it off, they just spent the first half of the film making Thor a big, dumb, destructive idiot. And then all of a sudden, at the end, he goes a little philosophical on Gor. (And Thor's been proven to be very intelligent, so the 'big dumb idiot' thing is extremely irritating.)
Christian Bale was the highlight of this film.
I'm not sure what's going on with Marvel, but Ms. Marvel wasn't their best, Dr. Strange: MoM wasn't their best, She-Hulk hasn't been the best, and now Thor. This has been their weakest phase so far, which is really disappointing after End Game.
The mayority of the underscore results in phase 4 have one main person responsible: Bob Chapeck, previous Disney's CEO now fired.
There are several notes and reports saying that the edition in this phase has been made for Marvel movies with no sense at all coming with notes from the CEO's office; not knowing even how to edit, downgrading FX quality and demanding more from their teams for the same payment.
Taika have almost 10 hours of filming to be ready for the final revision that was left behind and in the end all had to be discard (Same for Doctor Strange), 30 minutes cut off of the regular Marvel duration for movies; and Chapeck, with a record of horrible results while managing all Disney parks, was given this kind of power to mess everything, and he did it "beautifully" (hence why he was fired).
Agreed. I really think the Zeus scene should have been handled differently. It really let me down with all the humor.
Oak's face throughout the movie describes exactly how I felt. I wanted to like this film, but MAN was it tough.
It had a ton of potential. Definitely understand why people either like it or dislike it.
So true🙌
Even though I enjoyed the movie more, your comment is utterly perfect and right on point. Oak made me feel bad that he had such a rough time.
@@Nala_1230 Gor and Mighty Thor Jane parts made me want for a less goofy movie
@@Nala_1230 the difference being the difference is I didn't find it difficult to enjoy those films (except for Thor 2,) while this one I did. But that's just my opinion. If you like it, great, I'm not going to go and tell you you're wrong for having an opinion I don't agree with.
Unpopular opinion, I throughly enjoyed this movie. Was a lot of fun!
🤙🤙🤙🤙Glad you enjoyed. We do want to see everyone's thoughts. Thanks for dropping that here 🤜🤛
I loved it too. The guys totally missed the point of that opening scene.
@@nubiana75 agreed. I'm pretty sure the audience is supposed to be horrified and repulsed by the juxtaposition of the tragedy of the mortal world and pointless frivolity of the gods' world. Gorr then introduces mortality to that world.
Korg was telling the story, that’s why it was funny sometimes when it might not have been for the characters actually in the scene.
I like what they did with the "love and thunder" thing at the end, i never understood the title until i watched the movie
Technically it's literally Thor (Jane), Love (daughter), and Thunder (Thor).
@@Saphthings omg you're right 😭
The opening scene with Gorr and the god, I don't think it was meant to be comedic. I think we were supposed to be mad and feel for Gorr because to me, those are the best villains. The ones where you can say "yeah they've got a point".
The goats is a reference to Tanngrisnir and Tanngnjostr, The goats that pull Thors chariot in Norse mythology.
Thank you for this. Helps understanding why they are in the movie.
To be honest I loved the movie. There's so much that stands out from it. The scene at the ship, both for the romantic conversation between Thor and Thor, and the bit of background story of Valkyrie and Korg. The intro scene. The fight with the Guardians. The Matt Damon and Luke Hemsworth scenes. And the scene with the Gods at Omnipotence city (that introduces so many possible things for the future). But I get why some scenes may annoy some people (not me). Btw Oak's comment about the opening scene, I really like it because for me that was the point of it. The gods don't care about you, that's why "they are joking" while you're suffering. It is to really make the point that mortals are irrelevant for them.
We appreciate the different perspective here. 🤙🤙🤙🤙
The movie is absolute bonkers. And I love it! HAHAHAHAHA
I end up liking the Marvel flicks that diehard fans hate. I loved this as it was so creative and visually stunning and the play on storytelling was a nice touch. If you're a fan of reading ancient myths and how they were told to an audience, you'd appreciate the effort.
That being said, I did think that the editing could have been tighter.
Disney forced a hard limit of 2 hours on the runtime of this movie, which is why it is 1 hr 59 min, forcing Taika to cut or drop parts of the movie as well. I do wish we could have gotten more of Gorr.
The movie could have been 3 hours and I wouldn't have shyed away from it.
I think with the opening scene, the difference in Gorr and the flower god shows the whole point of Gorr’s mission. It wasn’t necessarily meant to make you laugh but you see these goofy gods, in goofy costumes who don’t care one bit about peoples troubles yet people still follow them.
Yea the god laughing was good but gorr laughed and some random creatures laughed which didn’t really fit the mood at all. Imo gorr should have been full of rage and despair cos he lost his daughter because the gods didn’t care for their believers
@@bloop1071 Gorr laughed because until he wielded the Necrosword, he was still a follower and discipline of this God. Copying his actions regardless of his mood. He was in pain but still scared and hopeful of the God he followed. Those little people I didn’t quite get
I just watched this movie yesterday . I don't understand why there is so much hate. There were a lot of great moments, comedy and tragedy. I love all the Thor movies in the MCU
I’m a pretty harsh critic of the garbage that Disney passes off as “entertainment”, so I expected I wouldn’t like this movie. I’m happy to report that it wasn’t awful. Too jokey in spots, but to paraphrase Russel Crowe, I was in fact entertained.
I cannot comprehend how people enjoyed this movie. I really can't. Thor Ragnarök was the last decent movie the director made. Half of it was really well done, the other half was shitty cringe jokes etc. Thor love and thunder was like the director decided to take everything shit about Ragnarök and put it into a movie. The best scene in the entire movie was Melissa McCarthy as Hel.
Me as well!!!
I actually liked it more then I would have thought and more then "Thor Ragnarok". I was glad to see Jane and Darcy again and also Lady Siv and didn't miss Loki to much. One reason that I couldn't realy enjoy it are the shadow-realm-scenes. Even seeing them here at a smaler scale it hurts me looking at them (which is a shame because they are the best parts of the movie.). I don't know why. I have seen movies like "Sin City 2" and "The Spirit" without getting head achke and I like actull black and white movies of all time but these scenes are something different.
Jane’s count of how many days it’s been is off from Thor’s count because she was blipped.
Oooo that's a good catch.
That was my thought as well. Blip was five years and their estimates were five years apart.
I'm with Answer but each to their own :) I think they good parts were better than the bad parts were bad and it is overall entertaining!
I'm not sure we are supposed to hate Gorr, I felt like I respected him to be honest, whilst still finding him pretty scary. Christian Bale nailed it!
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I fully believe we were supposed to feel some degree of empathy towards Gorr because of the tragedy and how his pain was mocked and corrupted. If we weren't made to feel that from the start, we might not have been able to feel sad for him again at his end. He was meant to be a shade of grey, not a being of pure evil. I also think his pain (and Jane's cancer) were meant to be a sharp juxtaposition to the absurdity of the gods.
This movie was dope and hilarious and it was more emotional than I thought. I thought they portrayed mighty Thor very well people just wanna see a gritty Thor and that’s not his character lol but we need this lighthearted ness because the mcu future is gonna be dark
Out of all 4 Thor movies I rank this one 2nd.
1st Ragnarok
2nd love and thunder
3rd Thor
4th dark world
I will say I have to disagree about the garden of the gods scene, you’re meant to find the gods despicable in that moment based on the weight of what Gor experienced.
He called Gorr “Voldemort with a Nose”, just wait until you see his comic design
I really loved this movie but I could be biased. As someone who was diagnosed with cancer, gone through chemotherapy, and lost faith in religion, I can relate to all of this. Sometimes you don’t know whether to laugh or be dramatic that I’ve personally felt like my life is someone else’s entertainment. Though I do admit the goats were a bit much after a while.
They didn’t want you to laugh in the beginning, btw, they wanted you to sympathize with Gorr and dislike the God that he served.
As someone who enjoyed reading about Gorr in the comics, this film did a great disservice to him. I think the tone would’ve been better suited had they chosen another villain with a less heavy backstory who people wouldn’t have minded being a one-off character. Similar to what Hela was for Ragnarok. Not to mention that they chose Bale to portray him to then be wasted. Gorr should’ve been reoccurring like how Thanos was and Kang will be. Gorr should’ve been a focal villain for another 3-Phase Saga.
As for Jane… Natalie Portman was never interested in committing to the ten-year contract after what she went through with Star Wars, which was why she never appeared in anything after the last movie she was in, so this was a way to tie up loose ends and give her character a proper farewell.
Oh mighty Zeus, we humbly thank you for getting rid of Thor's clothes in that very short but unforgettable scene⚡️😏
In the opening scene they Want u to side with Gorr they want u to hate the gods sitting there. The movie did exactly what they wanted it to do to u!
I think the contrast in the intro was important. His daughter died and here this god is having a good time being goofy and tells the guy like oh who cares about you and your daughter. This sparks the rage in Gorr
I notice when the Oak likes a movie he usually gives a really thoughtful commentary at the end but when he doesn’t he can get a little reductive. Other people have mentioned that the first scene was supposed to make you angry at the gods total indifference so I won’t get into that. Sorry you didn’t like it man and I hope you like the next one better.
There’s apparently a longer and dark cut that included Gor really being a butcher and I’d like to see that. Some of the humor is too much and others worked great.
Oak is so done with the movie , i was the same in the theatre 😂
I like this movie. It has great highs but it also has its lows. But it’s a hard disagree with the opening scene. Gorr lost everything and at the end of it he finds his god and it shows that this god does not care about anything except himself. So why would that god fit in with Gorr’s seriousness when his very first line establishes that everything that doesn’t relate to him is meaningless to him? I think the scene did a great job in showing how callous gods can be imo
That opening scene wasn't played for laughs at all, not sure why you felt you had to laugh at Rapu. It was intended to show how cruel the God was to Gorr
yap.. i never thought that way either when i watched the opening scene. Idk why you guys felt that way(?) maybe you already have prejudice about this movie because it’s again directed by taika?
For me, It was clearly a Taika movie. you get super goofy stuff and mega serious stuff at each extreme, from one scene to the other.
Bit like Jojo Rabbit. I didn't love that movie like It's the best Marvel I have seen, but It was good fun, with real good humor AND real good serious tone story parts.
The weird thing is that the humor works and the drama stuff works, It just feels not matching at times.
I'll still keep watching Chris Hemsworth do Thor and Taïka doing whatever movie.
I think The Oak is tough on this movie, but hey, to each their own. Thanks guys for a great reaction, as always!
Top 5 of my marvel movies, this was amazing
I 100% agree with The Oak! What on earth were they thinking with this film?! I absolutely love Marvel but I was so gutted they went in that direction with this one.
I am not done with the video yet, but Oak is my spirit animal during this watch. I am pretty sure I wore the same kind of expression while watching XD
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You’re not supposed to laugh at the god in the beginning. You’re supposed to be disgusted. This is what a bunch of marvel fan boys don’t understand. They hear someone making a joke and they’re so simple minded that they think they’re supposed to be laughing at it. You felt the emotion you were supposed to feel you just assumed incorrectly. If people would go into these without any assumptions then they would enjoy them.
It sure has taken a big big step away from the MCU in my opinion. But nontheless I think it’s hilarious and also heartbreaking when it needs to be. And those goats. In norse mythology Thor rides over the sky in a chariot pulled by goats so, this is a fun take!
And…Jane, The Mighty Thor is awesome ❤️
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I think this movie knew exactly what it was, and where it wanted to go. I think it went the directions it went in for a reason, and I don't see anything wrong with it.
I truly enjoyed the fact that Gorr ISN'T a clear-cut villain. Life, after all, isn't clear-cut. The 'comedy' of the flower gods scene wasn't actually comedy, and I'm surprised y'all didn't see that. It's intentional. The tragedy of the mortal condition, swept aside for some immortal capriciousness. It was intentional, and it worked.
I'm excited to see where Taika goes in the future with it. For me, in complete honesty, I'd give it a 4.6/5.
But hey, that's me, and doesn't invalidate anyone else's opinion! =D
Taika isn't going anywhere with it.
@@joelspaulding5964 No, just as in if they ask him to do anyone else in the movies. He's so fun as Korg.
So disappointing that we won't get a director's cut for this. Marvel really messed with the runtime and pacing here.
..when I first watched and saw Thor ride stormbreaker like a broom, I audibly sighed lol.
while i listen to the oak crapping on love and thunder, i then get a youtube disney ad for love and thunder 🤣to funny that made my night
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I also finished watching this like 4 hours ago and then they upload this. Great timing.
hahaha perfect
In most iterations Gorr in the comics doesn’t have a nose so they gave him one because they didn’t want him to look THAT much like Voldemort lol
i figured that was why
Being Lady Thor keeps her healthy and "pauses" the cancer. Every time she goes to human form, the cancer accelerates and the previous chemo treatments are cancelled out bringing her closer to death.
The first half of the movie took a bit to get on track, but the last half I thought was good. Maybe a bit corny at times but Ragnarok showed that was what Thor was about now. I think Ragnarok was a better single world story whereas L&T does a little more for the characters around Thor. The goats were my least favorite part
Christian Bale definitely broke his back to carry this movie. Such an underutilized character
Little opinion about the opening. I understand how everyone was thinking we jumped to dramatic to comedy. The thing is about perspective of that god as well as all the gods in this movie. The gods see us humans doing all our things, living, dying, making good, bad, heroic, vile, evil decisions & they've seen us from their distance since the dawn of time. I don't think they were trying to be funny with the character of the god. As humans we tend to focus on some of the most odd things when there is a whole universe out there to explore where as in the gods do nothing but focus on EVERYTHING. So that fact that the god is being his excentric & ridiculous self is actually, to me, fitting because they are the most "seen it, done" kind of characters. They don't have a world like ours where we have to have jobs to pay for things, let alone currencies & a search for purpose. In there world things just simply "are." Therefore they just "be." In a way they have the most freedom in the universe as much as a typical star in the sky. Therefore, as dark as it is, why would they understand or even care to understand our, in their eyes, low level of emotions & intelligence when it comes to anything. As a fellow human being, yes death is one of the most hard hitting tragic things to happen. In a perspective of a god however, all they see is, that was a person who no longer is in that world, they no longer are in that physical body, now their essance/spirit is part of the universe & that's happened beyond trillions of times before & will happen again so, "what's new about that?" Kind of thing. Honestly this was my first time even watching due to bad reviews being posted & got to admit, didn't hate it all that much. I understand peoples frustrations of course. Had some fun moments. I agree it has to stick with a theme & not jump all over. However I have seen way worse. Personally, 3.5 answers. Looking forward to the next adventure, ready, willing, & ab🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮 sorry. I don't know why that happened.
Fantastic video again. I had a lot of problems with the film when I saw it. I thought it’s plot was really messy and had way too many jokes and I honestly thought the film was kinda boring and even when it wasn’t insanely long, it kinda felt like it was and felt like it was being drawn out really long and I didn’t really care all that much for the characters and thought the pacing was really inconsistent. It’s honestly a film I like less the more I think about it. But I still think it’s somewhat enjoyable and I still loved the performances and I really like Gorr. I thought he was one of the more sympathetic MCU villains.
I want to quote myself from your weeks preview:
I watched „Love and Thunder“ last night and I have to honestly say that it was funny at times, but it was also on the verge of being ridiculous, so that I rolled my eyes from time to time and thought about turning the tv off…. after butchering the goats 😵💫 Taikas Humor was good with Ragnarok cause it had a good balance with the serious scenes but with L&T it was sometimes a bit too much so I didn't know anymore if it was actually Thor or a parody🤷🏼♂️ my humble opinion: one of the weaker MCU movies… 🤷🏼👎🏻
Let’s hope they change director before we come to Beta Ray Bill…. 🙏🏻
It was way worse than Ant-Man so that's saying something lol
@@amber.ren_1995 wtf ? Ant-man bad are you on drugs?
Great honest reactions all of you! I would highly recommend the movie Jo Jo Rabbit, directed by the same Taiki Waititi who also plays Hitler in the movie, I think you'll see a similar vibe/style of story-telling, but much more successful in its delivery. The biggest difference is the real-life historical backdrop of WWII Nazis and the Jews whereas Marvel is fantasy/SciFi where there are no boundaries hence the extremes in comedy vs tragedy. My thoughts anyway. Thanks guys!
The goats me laugh every time! 😂
I died a little watching Answer's face as The Oak gave his review.
Even though I am 100% in agreement with Oak.
As a cancer survivor, my faith in God is exactly what got me through it.
Much ❤️ to the Badd Medicine crew.
Glad you hear you beat it!
I honestly think the movie was made to showcase the juxtaposition of the fragility and suffering of humanity vs the absurdity of the gods. We are SUPPOSED to feel disgusted by the sudden shift from a mourning father to a sadistic laughing deity. We are SUPPOSED to question whether or not there's reason to the "bad guy's" intention of killing the gods. We are SUPPOSED to see the absurdity in every scene featuring the gods, Thor being one of them.
I genuinely believe it was meant to be jarring on purpose, to showcase that juxtaposition, that absurdity. I also happen to find absurdity hilarious, so I absolutely loved this movie, but there's more to it than just comedy. We are SUPPOSED to feel sad for the "bad guy" at the end, because he died in the same state he started, focused on the love of his daughter. If he wasn't a grey villain, we might not have been able to feel as sad for him in the end. If we hadn't seen the jarring absurdity of the gods that he saw, we might not have understood him as well as a morally grey "villain."
This was too absurd.
I like absurd movies with absurd humour, but they "have to work" for me. This didn't.
I saw the Oak's face through the entire movie and thought to myself "he's with me, he also doesn't like this".
And I agree with him: once you're a parent, you see certain stuff different.
having a child does change ones perspective on things.
I thought that the beginning scene with his god in the oasis showed how entitled the god was in that the god thought it was his followers job to die for him and not to feel like the god had to do anything for his followers. The god thought it was funny his followers thought they were entitled to paradise when they died from their god and the callousness of the god to laugh at the death of his daughter - a mortal.
One thing about Marvel, is they're going to make sure that you relate to their villains. They are never one dimensional.
You guys are the best part of this experience...from a general MCU, Thor fan. Regardless of the movie, reactions are great.
Full house reactions with all 4 of you; always the best.
Much appreciated, Joel! Soon I do believe there will be a steady amount of all 4 of us.
@@BaddMedicine Have always figured that availability and possibly expertise/interest might play a part in the casting for each episide...Though after watching the Harry Potter Transformation of The Oak... make me think that availability is what keeps the Fellowship from always being complete.
Is it me or is there hostility between the oak and the answer?
Maybe it's me!
Anyways love you guys!!!!
I watch from Palm Beach Florida !
Big fan!!!
Hiiiiiiii The Appleton Oak! 💋 😉
Christian Bale must be having horrible back pain after carrying this
I seriously think the lack of balance in this movie was because this is the first Thor movie without Loki. Loki was such a driving force in the other movies that without him the writers didn't have any idea where to go with the story.
I am seeing more that the studio wanted this under 2 hours... I wonder how/if that affected some of the final cut?
@@BaddMedicine I wonder that myself, but all in all I think this movie was hurt the most by the absense of Loki. Say what you willabout the character but he did lend a substantial prsence to all the other Thor movies. A superhero movie is only as good as the villain, and did this movie even have a villain? I mean Gorr was creepy and sinister, but he wasn't really wrong. At no point did I ever hate Gorr for what he was doing, I understood why he was doing everything he did. This movie needed Loki to complicate everything and make things worse.
As much as I didn't like this movie, Christian Bale was AMAZING as Gorr. It's a shame we didn't get to see him actually butchering gods, let along seeing more of him
Agreed
The thumbnail is pure gold
Haha thank you! 🤙🤙🤙
I could tell The Oak was miserable through most of it even though he did enjoy some spots. And you all are right about too much/too little of this and that. I enjoyed it way more than Dark World and even more than the 1st Thor but Ragnarok was way better. It's alright, that's why we watch reactors, to get other POVs. Things that were commented on were things I hadn't thought of (and other reactors hadn't mentioned) so it was good to hear.
after i watched Thor Love and Thunder my ranking top to bottom is
Thor Ragnarok
Thor Love and Thunder
Thor
Thor Dark World
@@xxxZ41Dxxx - We agree then
Thank you and well said here. 🤙🤙🤙
I'm ready, willing and able to watch a whole lot of movies with you guys 😁
Gotta be honest i really dont like this movie. Having a comedy movie with Gorr the god butcher just doesnt really work. They could have utilized him better, and the jokes really went overboard.
Thor ragnarok worked because it balanced the humor better. For instance odins death wasnt ruined by a random joke in between where as in this movie his death is played for jokes. Also the scene where thor jokes about sifs arm being gone while shes dying is again just overused comedy.
I will say the post credit scene is badass and the jane and thor scenes are good, like her death and the breakup scene but overall this movie could have been so much more
For me it was kinda over when Star-Lord spoke about his loved ones (his team) and Thor started to move in his viewline…. This was so damn silly and out of Thors normal character… but I think it was foreseeable by the end of Endgame when Thor didn’t took Quill serious as leader of the Guardians 🤨
@@BlankSpace83 same. I liked the guardian scenes in this movie and quill talking to thor about how it sucks to lose the ones you care about was a cool scene between the two but the movie just fell off after that.
@@BlankSpace83 That exact scene was in very first teaser of movie. You was not expecting that scene, right?
@@georgegogiashvili9416 not everyone watches those.. .
I'm not a big Marvel fan, didn't like the first Thor movie, didn't see the rest. I thought this one was just plain stupid. (Loved Bale's performance. ) But great reaction & conversation guys. 👍
gold blood is actually in a lot of myths more commonly known a golden ichor, so its actually a really nice easter egg, and yes the goats are also in norse mythology, the screaming part not so much but tanngrisnir and tanngnjóstr.
I'm definitely with Oak on this movie. While it was entertaining to see in theaters, the more I think about it, the more just fed up with the movie I get. It had plenty of potential, but it just squanders it trying to be a comedy. I think if they adjusted the tone, and dialed back the comedy, the movie could have been great, a good B, maybe A tier.
Completely agree with the Oak, never gonna watch this movie again or ever feel I want to.
in the comics they explain that turning into thor actually flushes her system of the chemo treatment she was reciving thus reverting her back to a normal cancer patient without any drugs/chemo, it's actually a very tragic story and while it wasnt too well recieved in the comics, i thought that was an awesome caveat to her using the hammer, like she would do it if people needed her to but it was killing her to do so
Mr. The Oak,
I feel your pain. I know ASL and man did your body language say a lot! Long face, crossed arms, hardly any laughs. Yep, this was pretty sad when the best part about it was the goats (and the women’s reactions when Zeus dressed Thor! I agree with them.)
I’ve gotta agree with Oak on this one.
The drinking game : take a shot every time The Oak does a face palm!
PS: loved the reaction guys ! This movie is ridiculous.
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Haven't seen this iteration of Thor yet...but Oak looks 🔥holding the axe in the thumbnail.
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I agree with the Oak on pretty much everything. I was hoping for a more serious opening given what happened and so much more different. I was hoping for Liam Neeson’s style and tone of Zeus and a story that at least flowed as good as Ragnarok
I love this movie. Like a lot. I get why people don't like it. From all the review and buzz about this movie, it was way darker than I expected.