I think that was the point in the actual movie. That Gorr is wrong (at least at some level) about the gods and deep down in his heart of hearts he knows that
I disagree actually. The point Gorr makes is that gods don't care about mortals (which is further established by Zeus' unwillingness to help Thor) but it's only reasonable that gods would seek to save their own children - in fact, I bet Zeus would try to save his children if they were in danger, even if he was only motivated by his narcissistic desire to be worshiped. Thing is, Gorr's point is that gods only care when they're the ones at risk of losing everything.
@@EventualWarlord I disagree. It’s like how Thanos presented himself as a noble crusader seeking to save the Universe from itself rather than the sadistic madman that everyone thought he was but in Endgame when he decided to destroy the entire Universe and admitted he would enjoy himself as he did so it would become clear to us in the audience that beneath his glamour he was the same thug that The Heroes all viewed him as being. So too with Gorr, his grief and vengeance led him to becoming a deicidal maniac but he knows that that the gods he battles care more than he’d like to admit he’s just in denial about it
Everytime the writer says "Hey shut up" in these marvel pitch meetings, when a stupid plot point is said, I feel like this is exactly what happens in the official meetings.
You think they actually plan these things out? They shoot a bunch of scenes that are only vaguely planned and then the editor tries to make a movie out of them.
In fairness the MCU does a good job giving the villains a reasonable context. The bad guys can be sided with. They are often wrong or mistaken rather than being pure evil.
I was WAITING for that to happen. Like how does a dude called the GOD BUTCHER plus the introduction of an ENTIRE BIG ASS STADIUM FULL OF GODS not equal mass gods destruction. C'mon.
@@snowangel21111 I mean, you can have this badass fight scene and have Thor steal the bolt at the same time, then he escapes in the chariot and Gorr just looks on menacingly lol
This movie probably ran out of Budget and had to expand this meager love story and cheap jokes to buff the run time. I would have loved to see more god killing; Heck just watching Gorr kill 2 or 3 unique Gods in separate fight scenes would have been enough. They wasted stupid special effects en lieu for "Skittles Goats Tasting The Rainbow".
It's like Taika took a page out of Ruin Johnson's playbook and aimed to subvert our expectations. All of the things that could have been cool, we're not done. Also, how do we go from Thor, Valkyrie and Jane getting owned by Gorr to just Thor and Jane owning him? And what was up with the child army at the end? 🤦
Well maybe gorr is also really old Idk. There's probably a comic book explanation and waititi was just like nah. Or maybe it's just the power of Christian bayle who knows. 😂
I was sure Ryan would point out when Thor said they had to take Gorr alive because that was the only connection to the kids... despite the fact that Thor had telepathically communicated with them at least twice and located them that way at least once.
I thought he would talk about Gorr being kratos I mean family dies and he blames a god killing him and becoming powerful enough to kill all the other gods too
They did make a comment about the kids being moved when they got there but, yes, they could’ve easily talked again. Silly plot errors like that don’t bother me, but editing out all the Gorr kills, many of which they did actually film, and Jane first changing to a Thor, really annoyed me.
Communicating with them doesn't mean Thor can easily reach them, depending on what Gorr had done to them. Even when they reached the shadow planet, they didn't find the kids. It's one of the smaller plot holes imo.
And it would have heightened the stakes to actually see the kind of threat they were fighting against. Nonetheless, a great performance from Christian Bale
I really thought they would point out that it's weird that Thor never even mentionned bringing Jane to the many more advanced planets and/or wizards to cure her cancer.
Yeah, I know those type of real world problems are uncomfortable and glanced over in hero movies, but the Kree alone have a way to bring a dead man back to life, so I am sure they have some type or cancer treatment better than what she got on Earth.
One thing that really bugged me as well was the fact you needed the bifrost to access eternity. Like Eternity is a separate entity outside of Gods, like equal to that of the Watcher. but yet requires the power of a Norse God to access? it just makes Stormbreaker into a McGuffin of the entire movie
Absolutely wasted and ruined the amazing and infinitely interesting ICONIC concept/character of Eternity, to shoehorn Hemsworth's daughter in as an OC.
not only that, but Stormbreaker was just foraged pretty recently, meaning it would have been impossible for a prophesy or something of the sort to exist before hand.
“If it doesn’t land the first time, it certainly not gonna land the next seven” I didn’t know Ryan had a direct line into this movie’s writing room. Top marks mate lmfao
@@DarksteelPenguin The goat screaming is my favorite part! There were plenty of other jokes that felt pretty out of place though. Basically everything to do with Zeus was.... Unwelcome.
@@DarksteelPenguin listen, please don't take this personally, but I violently hate your very being. Every time I heard those insufferable fucking goats I wanted to see Gorr do what he did to that worm thing, my god what a fantastic way to break up pace and completely take your audience out of an already shit movie. It had good moments, but for me, those goats ruined it for me instantly. Again, don't take this as a personal attack. Sorry.
Do you want to know wasted potential? Just imagine if Gorr actually used Asgard’s dark buried history to explain on why all the gods need to die. Odin being a conqueror, Hela being the goddess of death, Loki being the god of lies and trickery, and there’s Thor, who used to crave the thrill of battle.
I agree. that and gorr coming to Zeus's city and massacring all the beings while Thor is chained which stops him from being able to stop gorr from killing all of them including the celestial. That would make gorr a geniune threat and a badass scene.
EWW CinemaSins Thor 4 Thor-look at all of these Gods murdered CinemaSins-yes Darwin got it from the blatant distressed call that was basically like the god butcher is killing so many gods he's called the god butcher because of all the god butchering can we mentioned he goes by the name the god Butcher Th3Birdman-and we all know if this didn't happen you'd be all like “he's called the god butcher” but I don't see too many gods being butchered stop planning about you would sin if it didn't happen Korg-what is that ? CinemaSins-and more importantly why didn't we get to see the amazing fight it must have taken for Discount Knox to take him Th3Birdman- this film is adapting the gore storyline from the comics and in that storyline we didn't see faligar being killed either only the aftermath in that respect the film is extremely comic accurate down to the panel (Th3Birdman literally shows the panel from actual Thor vs Gorr comic book he has)
Gorr's reincarnated daughter couldn't have cared less about her father dying in front of him in the movie 😂...She was like, you out? Nevermind, rushes to Uncle Thor
@RATED Because Gorr specifically asked him to? Do you see Thor taking the other kids in New Asgard on adventures? Did he even train Gorr’s daughter first like Valkyrie and Sif trained their charges? Gorr’s daughter was drawing smiley faces on weapons!
So, like... is Gorr's race power-abled or does Love have some undefined Eternity powers at the end? Cause I have no idea how she's wielding Stormbreaker or why she's running into battle.
I thought he would also say "So Thor and the others turn up at the God city and they kill a bunch of Gods." "Oh, my God." "Yes, in fact they kill more Gods than Gorr." "But isn't God killing what, you know, the bad guy does?" "Sir, you're going to have to get all the way off my back about that."
With diamonds and rubies. Just when you think you know all the laugh tearing tricks Ryan has up his sleeves, he hits your funny bone from your blind spot.
Thor peaked in Infinity War. I still remember the crowd screaming in the theatre when he arrived in Wakanda with Stormbreaker. THAT is the Thor we want to see. A powerful hero who overcomes adversity and continues to do what is right depite everything that he has lost. Not a bumbling cartoon meathead. You can have humor with Thor but not at the expense of the character himself. Too much humor and it becomes a parady, not a performance.
I liked his struggle in endgame. And the continuation of all that in Thor 4! now it’s the aftermath and picking up of all that. Character DOES change, he’s having to pick apart and rebuild himself after everything, in this way, the crazy and inconsistent character makes more sense. AND the ending he Does relearn to do what’s right no matter what-with the adoption-learning to love after loss, to preserve, to show up, to stick with ppl. I think that’s pretty darn good characterization! I just think there weee some failures with execution (too many scenes with thor acting silly)
@@CM-pf1xc I agree that characters beliefs and personalities can change. However characters don't normally become dumber. They made Thor way too dumb in this one. I'm not saying he needs to be Banner level smart. But he certainly shouldn't be Drax level stupid either. I don't know why they cranked the humor to 11. Ragnarok was more balanced with the humor and drama. This one was just too much of a comedy and many of the jokes didn't really land. I'm happy you liked the film. I didn't hate it. But I certainly didn't love it either.
Thor in the God butcher comic is amazing I never liked Thor and that story completely changed my outlook. Sadly they ruin the story so much in this movie its mind blowing. Seriously Gorr is easily one of the coolest villains I've seen in a long time. I wish the movie even attempted to try and tell the God Butcher story just so people who don't check out comics could experience it. Shit, they didn't even try to make bale look even slightly like Gorr. They weren't even trying.
Christian bale's acting as Gorr is what kept me into the movie. The Gorr side of the story felt like an entirely separate movie, a movie that I'd rather watched honestly.
Imagine if this movie was written by Neil Gaiman and directed by someone who wasn’t a narcissistic moron terrified of feeling real emotions. Such a wasted opportunity.
It's like the Fladerization that happened to Joey in Friends. First he started out smart but not book-smart. Then he became a dumb broski. Then he became a toddler by the end.
The Bifrost was the key to Eternity, and Storm Breaker generates the Bifrost. In the past, Asgard was the source of the Bifrost, but it was destroyed in Thor: Ragnarok.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt weird about the Infinity Conez. It's like making an amusement park but one of the roller coasters is one of the 9/11 planes
People argue it’s meant to represent the gauntlet saying the universe in Endgame or the one in Odins vault. Except it’s not the Stark Gauntlet and I don’t know what your everyday Asgardian knew about the stuff in Odins vault and why did Odin have a fake.
It's hard to imagine any of the Asgardian residents being happy to see a shop using the Infinity Gauntlet as a logo seeing as that same item definitely blipped a lot of their close family and friends. Utterly bizarre.
That moment when Gorr talked to the kids like "The Gods don't care about you!" and mini-Heimdall was like "You'll see! Thor will come rescue us!" so Gorr responds with "I'm counting on it" like, bruh, your whole point is that you think Gods are doo-doo selfish pricks, and you somehow go a weird 180 within 20 seconds on your whole logic cause a kid made some freakin sense.
I like when he brings in the shadow serpent and rips it's head off. Then he looks at the kids and says "you liked that a second ago". That scene had me rolling like the serpent's head.
Wasn't he technically talking to a mix that included the children of Gods though? I mean, both of Axl's parents were Asgardians and they're all lumped in as Gods. It'd make sense for a God to save Godly offspring.
Haven't seen the movie yet, so I'm just speculating but---I think that's possible to justify without stretching into questionable logic. Kid says Thor will come rescue them because he believes Thor is a great hero. Gorr agrees because he thinks Thor won't be able to resist claiming the glory of rescuing them.
Yup. And I have NO idea how I didn't realize the major plot hole he pointed out here. That Thanos or The Avengers should have just went to Eternity instead of doing all the bullshit they did with the stones and time travel!
@@jdunlapmusic he mentions “temporary the power of Thor” not “temporary and the power of thunderbolt”. Personally it just felt like a plot device just so he could have funny scenes of monsters being taken out by kids.
"Hey shut up" is really starting to grow on me. It's always hilarious when the writer yells at the producer to get off his back over inconsistencies in the movie
When he first started doing the "hey shut up" I thought it was the REPLACEMENT for "get all the way off my back" but he did both in this video so I guess not. Just another track added to the Greatest Hits Collection!
Thor is one of the most tragic characters in the MCU but he gets treated like a meathead most of the time. His family is dead/murdered, his friends get murdered, his ego and gloating to Thanos allowed billions of people to die, he had an amazing redemption. But no, haha muscle man stupid.
Don't forget they added another person to the "dead" list - the love of his life. That part made me truly sad, remembering his speech to Rocket in Infinity War.
What Mr. Stuff Doer said. Thor saved those kids because they were fellow Asgardians he had a personal connection with. If Gorr kidnapped some random other humans a few miles away in a different Norwegian town, there's a slim chance Thor would have dropped everything he was doing and risking his life for then
@@mr.stuffdoer8483 that’s not how that works really. Those of Asgard aren’t all gods, otherwise the Norse pantheon would be one of the largest because everyone would be a god.
They could’ve made a compelling story about gods and faith, specifically how Jane goes to New Asgard, where some gods live, to seek something that might help with her cancer, something similar to how families would pray for their loved ones. And most of the time, their prayers don’t work. But instead, because Jane hooked up with a god, she gets the temporary aid that Gorr and his people are denied.
yeah it'd be pretty cliche to just have the god butcher show up where all the gods are hiding out. I mean that's the sort of lazy writing we save for star wars.
Also could have added that Thor went to the god city to assemble an army but it turns out he can make an army of Thors himself with any asgardian soldier or literally anybody else.
Yep- it literally feels like they had a dozen screen writers, all working separately, then Takky Wakkytity just took all their scripts, threw them in the air, grabbed pages at random and decided that this was the movie he wanted to make.
@@starkiller1289 I read that the movie was largely improvised, with them making adjustments to the script based on what improvisations they liked best, so ad libbing seems to be the problem
When Chris Hemsworth described Taika's writing process as "what a 7 year old would write", I immediately lost all interest in even renting this movie from Redbox as that sounds like the dumbest movie ever.
@@Dargonhuman why would Hemsworth even go thru and let Taika do this and ruin the character? Hemsworth could easily refuse and they would have to literally cave to him because they cant replace him yet...and if they did, well the movie would surely tank
@@GCEXTREMEMN Why would Hemsworth do Ghostbusters Answer The Call when he thought it would kill his acting career? Contractual obligations and needing that paycheck are the answers. Also, in this case, Hemsworth said in the same interview that he thought they were great ideas so he clearly doesn't think very highly of the character.
Gorr was such a missed opportunity. He wasn’t in the movie that much, and they never did much with his motivation. If they had shown more failures of the Gods, he was characterized a little differently, and there was some sort of realization by the end on Thor’s part he would have been incredible. Pretty good as is
I agree. I have been saying that Gorr was too serious of a villain to be in a joke movie like this and Marvel should have told his story more so than thors becaue then at the end people would have actually cared in Gorr died.
Honestly I wasn't expecting that much from Gorr, the MCU has a very long track record of just killing off villains in a single movie, except for Loki and technically "Hydra" no movie villain survived to make it to other movies, ok perhaps "The Winter Soldier" technically did... but he became a good guy.
@@highdefinition450 A lot of people wouldn't ever pick up on this joke that's been a recurring joke. Also when he said "Super easy barely an inconvenience" that was actually a subtle callback to the catchphrase of this channel.
“Also we found out how Korg was born” “Oh really” “Yeah you see, his dads hold hands over a pit of lava and a month later he gets formed” “Ok, but didn’t Korg mention having a mom in Ragnarok?” “Hey shut up so anyway…”
As a huge Thor fan, i can say that Thor-Love & Thunder exeeded all my expectations, at how bad it was going to be... Well: Taika Waititi said it sounded like a movie that Thor fans would hate, and it seems you delovered on that assessment. well done 👍
The entire movie feels like it was written by a 6 yr old, or for 6 yr olds "thors got a new axe, i bet it’s gonna be real jealous when miljnor comes back” “what if thor looked up to zeus cause he thought lightning was cool” “all the kids will get powers to fight at the end, like a ride at disneyland” “my grandma just showed me this funny video of a bunch of goats screaming” “what if we have a narrator for half the movie explaining the movie to literal children in the most child like way possible”
@@chaosflash7 Exactly, and very well put my friend.. and that's the same vibe i got from it too, like I was watching a kids movie, i mean a movie made purely for kids, like 'Spy Kids' with superheroes. It was just all so poorly written and executed..
You missed the part where they baited fans into thinking Thor goes to various places in the trailer but it turns out they’re just from the opening narration by Korg
My favorite part of this movie was when Thor met back up with Jane on the battlefield, having a little re-meet cute, meanwhile all around them New Asgard is visibly fighting for their lives while they chat. At the council meeting afterwards it is literally (flippantly, casually) said that a lot of warriors died. This movie's tone was fishtailing the entire way down the plot road.
That's literally EVERY Marvel movie though. I'm sure a million people lost their lives when New York was attacked and a million more were stuck buried under the rubble, but hey let's get some shawarma.
@@_yujin_ yeah, while a million people were still stuck under the rubble. They're heroes. Their job is saving people. This is literally every single marvel movie. I cringe everytime the Hulk throws something. Yeah it's cool to watch, but it's not cool for the little old lady walking her dog then gets crushed by a car that just fell out of the sky.
Ryan’s talent is remarkable. I’ve seen sooooo many of these, and they just never fail to hit a bullseye. Every time. Amazing. My favorite recent addition is the quick “shut up” that he just speeds through at some point when glossing over a particularly egregious fault in the script. As welcome now as the other catch-phrases. I still think my favorite is, “wow wow wow wow wow… wow.” Never gets old. So hilarious. THANK YOU, RYAN!!!
I like the Super Mario Bros pitch meeting where one Brian says, "So, we are just going to go all in on the plumbing." Other Brian says, "OH going all in on the plumbing is TIGHT." And first Brian says, "it really is..."
Certainly explained the biggest problem with it. Thor being an idiot in some unofficial TH-cam videos between movies is amusing. Thor being a fucking moron in his own movie is not.
@@zanthrax6762 To be fair this is some kind of fantastical, super-heroic dumbness. MCU Thor is dumb the same way as Forrest Gump : he thinks in straight lines, ignoring complication, but it is not such a handicap. Real life dumb people can't cope and get lost in the complexity of the world they live in, and it is much more sad to watch.
My favorite part was when Gorr was completely right. Like, every god we saw was pretty much horrible to the people who worshipped them - even Thor, who we saw harm a civilization he was "saving" in a self-servingly cool way. Thor himself even fakeout-killed the King of the Gods for being indifferent to suffering - THE EXACT SAME THING GORR WAS DOING - and got a hero moment for it. But instead of having that conversation or elaborating on why the gods deserved to be saved, they had Gorr kidnap some kids so that he remained the bad guy and Thor could save someone. Fun!
Pretty standard for the MCU now; the "villain" actually has a really good point, so they are made to do something random but definitely evil so we know for sure they are the villain.
@@MsCaptK Tbh, I found Gorr the only one whose motives were good. Killmonger just wanted war, Ego wanted everyone to be him, and Thanos wanted to destroy half the universe. I can’t think of another villain whose motives were good though in the MCU
Spot on. Gorr was the best part of the movie. I really wish Marvel would pump the breaks on the "cool" and "funny" moments and give us a reason to care about these people, sometimes.
Thats what we think but if you take a microscope and an x ray to the theatre you can see a glimpse of drax in every frame of the movie, he is just standing so incredibly still that he is invisible
I was really looking forward to Thor and the Guardians after endgame, so I agree, it was a gigantic miss. Would've been fun to see the two Chrises interact more. 🥲
After seeing the reaction to this film I was so stoked for the Pitch Meeting! Have to say, after Endgame I saw a lot of people saying they were looking forward to what Thor would do with the Guardians. And the studio obviously knew that would be a big draw because the Guardians were featured in the promos. Sometimes I don't understand movie-making decisions at all.
Instead of Thor 4 and the upcoming GotG 3, why couldn't we have had a Thor/GofG crossover movie? I just don't understand. Marvel has overextended and overexposed itself and I've finally decided that, for me personally, it's no longer must see. I'll see a Marvel movie if the reviews are great but I'm done seeing it because it's the MCU. It's too much.
@@RobShelley84 I think this is now a general consensus. I checked out of Marvel now and so many people are doing the same. I don't want to deal with the disappointment. Every Marvel film that has been out for the past two years has felt weak, rushed, convoluted (too many inconsistencies as a result) and emotionally dead. The last Spiderman was the best of them. They are too focused on quantity over quality.
@@RobShelley84 that's what I thought too. When Endgame had ended I thought GOTG 4 would also serve as a Thor 4. You know like how Iron Man was featured in Civil War and Spider-Man Homecoming, because we already had got our Iron Man standalone trilogy. They could have gone for a GOTG and Thor team up against the Necrosword powered Gorr the God butcher. Big budget, serious yet humorous take on the characters while keeping the film a little longer. Half the decisions in this film have been made to ensure it remains kid friendly and woke!
@@alvaro.martinez Or maybe if they had clubbed Thor's journey with the Guardians in a GOTG movie with James Gunn at the helm, then maybe it wouldn't have been so bad. Taika completely butchered the storylines and the character and on top of it he thinks he done some sort of favor to the Marvel fans.
You'd think, by now, screenwriters would submit their screenplays to Ryan FIRST to foresee and patch plot holes and correct stupid plot devices. That'd be SUPER easy, but a HUGE inconvenience . It works out better this way for all of us I suppose.
Yeah I know right. I actually tried calling the cops on Marvel Studios but it turns out that wasn't worth their time and they arrested me! btw pls support my case in court. I can't go to prison again.
Gorr is one of the biggest comic villains from the last two decades, and they did him like this. He was a BIG EVENT, and his story leads into a COMIC WIDE EVENT (knull story). Damn it taika watiti.
Honestly. But Marvel always does this. They can't have villains with genuinely good points that challenge the status quo like Gorr or Killmonger, because Marvel *are* the status quo. It's like how you can't trust religious people to make a good movie about atheism, if they actually portrayed the arguments sincerely and well, they'd have to acknowledge their own wrongs.
After seeing the movie… it was labeled as a comedy. They didn’t turn cancer into a joke at all, and that’s the only serious part, Tony called Maw “Squidward” and y’all were ok with that
@@Foxy02016 guess you're just gonna gloss right over the Infinity Cone thing then huh? Sure let's make a joke about the single most devastating thing in the MCU. The Snap is the Order 66 of the MCU and STAR WARS treats Order 66 you know a DEVESTATING thing with more respect than Marvel treats The Snap at this point.
My favorite moment is when Jane tells Gorr her name is the MIghty Thor despite that not once being mentioned previously in the movie. And seriously, why tf did we not see her initial transformation? That would have been a big deal, right? We also see the God "butcher" kill one God. That's absurd. The more I sit and think about this the more disappointed I become.
Yup Gorr could easily have been a Thanos-level threat to the gods, in the way he wanders from realm to realm, hunting them one by one like an unstopable force. He truly deserved more than just a single movie. But I guess, they can't have long lasting antagonists if it isn't an Avengers movie..
If Jane being Thor was like a surprise or something like that, i would get why they didn't show the transformation. But that was the entire selling point of the movie 😂
Hey if you butcher one pig, you are still a butcher. I mean, maybe not for tax purposes, but Gorr probably wasn't filing with the IRS either... I've lost my train of thought.
good lord … Ryan you going into this character and doing this pitch bit should be a pre-filming vetting for every movie … period. never before has anyone made pointing out the ridiculousness of poor movie making and complete failures at storytelling than this series. it is genius … period … i have no notes to lend to you but “bravo”
One problem I had with the movie was that one of Gorr's main issues with the gods was that the "eternal reward" was a sham and that there's nothing but death after death when Jane gets the "reward" in going to Valhalla after dying.
Damn bro. Thinking on another level. I think the eternal reward might not have been in the original comic as much - was more about gods just being disinterested in having anything to do with mortals. Fattening their bellies while others starved. Well... like us in 1st world countries...
Pretty sure the "eternal reward" was a jab at Christianity (maybe Islam and Jewism as well). The line made no sense with the movie because it was actually directed at the audience.
The writers are counting that you not only turn your brain off, but also completely forget anything that happened in a previous scene when you come to a next scene. For example, Lady Sif dies outside of battle and Thor mocks her for thinking she's going to Valhalla, but then Jane Foster dies outside of battle and of course she goes to Valhalla anyway. Derp derp!
The other that got me is that they “killed” Zeus and then every other God there (who they mentioned many times were some of the strongest) just sat there and were like, “hey now you cut that out. Don’t be killing Zeus now.” And didn’t leap into battle?
IDK Zues was cool but he and a lot of gods are kind of asses..why not let the minor god security handle it? Also if Zeus survived I don't want to think about how he would handle having to be rescued. That could go badly for the rescuer.
Absolutely nailing it (as usual). There was a really compelling opportunity for both Jane Foster battling cancer/becoming Thor and Gorr's journey to slay the gods, and both are almost entirely relegated out of the movie to make way for jokes.
Does Thor at least reflect on his family’s history and wonder if maybe gods really are doing more harm than good? With everything we’ve seen from them, that seems like an obvious thing to address.
I'm surprised how there's no mention of the theatre scene from Ragnarok being recycled, and made longer. Like yeah, it was funny the first time, also because it was short enough to give us a good chuckle. But again? We get it, your theatre scene is good material for many articles ("MATT DAMON IN MCU BLAFKFPWFWKMF!!!") but Jesus man lmao
@@jacobd1984 Nah. In the comics that was a major thing too. He had a lot of self-doubt about how a lot of gods are selfish pricks, and he even was one in his youth. He loses his worthiness to Mjolnir because of it (leading to Jane picking it up). I'm fine they didn't do the Unworthy arc, but yeah the doubt aspect definitely should've been there.
Imagine if Thor discovered how Mjolnir can give other people powers and used it to save Jane which will not only give her Lightning powers but will also heal her cancer.
Hela decimated Asgardian forces by herself, Thanos wrecks Hulk without breaking a sweat… I was hoping to see something like that with Gorr. Especially with Bale driving the character; they could’ve really showed how much of a threat he is in his butchering of gods.
Yeah... the bit with the children at the end gave me very mixed feelings. Back when I was a child myself I would have absolutely loved it, the ultimate power fantasy of being not only recognized by my hero, but getting to fight alongside them. As an adult, however, it felt way too much like Thor deliberately endangering the people who he should ostensibly have been there to save. To work the scene really needed to be staged differently. Thor need to at least try telling the kids to run or hide. It shouldn't have been Thor's idea to have the kids scrounge up whatever weapons they could find, it should be something the kids do on their own initiative. Thor shouldn't be the one giving the rousing speech, he should be getting his ass kicked. It needed to be the kids then that step forward and declare for themselves that as Asgardians they can't back down, and then Thor can grant them the power to fight by his side. ...or maybe it shouldn't have been Thor granting them powers at all. Maybe Jane should have shown up first, fight her hardest, but when she falls and the shards of Mjölnir scatter, each of the children would pick up a piece and in doing so empower themselves.
I had 2 major complaints about this movie: 1. Sif can't go to Valhalla because she would've died from her wounds AFTER the battle itself, but Jane goes to Valhalla despite dying of her wounds AFTER the battle itself? 2. Taika Waititi CLEARLY knows how to direct drama, the dramatic scenes in the movie hit HARD. He should've gone more with that.
so many weird plot holes like that. I thought stormbreaker was ultra powerful and would kill most people who tried to wield it? Now kids can pick it up and pass it around
Wait what? They're having it so you'd have to die during the duration of the battle and not just as a result of being wounded while fighting in battle? I feel like that's incredibly arbitrary.
@@WildMen4444 it was for a joke. Sif lost her arm and she was dying while telling Thor "I'm finally going to Valhalla" and then Thor was like "nope you're dying after the battle not during but maybe your arm is in Valhalla"
Well, that is obviously how they believe it works, but not how it actually works. Odin too became orange dust and went to Valhalla, but he died peacefully surrounded by his sons.
The gods were THE WORST. They didn't care about anything. Someone just killed some gods and comes to kill you? Don't care. Someone just killed your idol god in front of thousands of your kind (actual gods ffs)? Don't care. Also, Zeus' argument "any god should just protect their people" is stupid 'cause he clearly makes it seem like he's the god of the gods or something
"So he can just share his powers?" "Yes sir." "Seems like something he probably should have done earlier. Like in Infinity War. Or Age of Ultron. Or every single Thor movie." "Well, he couldn't do it then." "Why not?" "Because the script needed it to not happen then." "Oh, well, okay then!"
@@ColonelGreen "Yeah, imagine that. That'd be crazy. Think about how much time he'd need to make enough suits for everybody. There's no way he'd be able to-" "Ironman 3. He had an army of suits." "Look, I'm just going to need you to get all the way off my back on this." Sorry, it seemed funny, so I had to. Okay, but seriously though, the issue is they just pull in a random ability without putting any thought into it. It's bad script writing. Pulling special powers out of your backside at the 9th hour to save the day is a quick way to make people check out. And the first question people ask is "Why didn't you do that earlier?" A good writer would have provided a way for the children to gain his abilities, which explained where this new ability came from, and why it wasn't getting used again. Why not have the chunks of Mjolnir be the empowering factor. Each kid gets a chunk of the hammer allowing the kids to have the power of Thor to lesser degrees. Have Mjolnir repair itself afterwards to explain why he doesn't do it again. Now that it's whole once more it can't spread to multiple, and have the "worthy" requirement kick in once more. Why didn't you use it before? Because before it was broken you had to be worthy. Why don't you use it after now? Because it's back to one piece and you have the worthy requirement again.
I love the palpable simmering ire of Ryan’s genuine disgust with how the movies choose to “tell, don’t show” and never stop to think about a script’s implications for even a second.
Don’t get how you can have someone called the “god butcher” in the movie but never show him killing any gods. Was super excited for this movie and was let down. Marvel is kinda taking some steps back this year
This movie is just 2 hours of "Oh, what could have been..." "This looks so interesting. I love the villain I hope I see more of him. I love how Marvel is finally tackling serious real world issues (after Moon Knight the expectations are high). I love Thor's new look and identity I hope we get to see some crazy fun with him and the Guardians of the Galaxy. I love that we have this great city with all the gods in one place, this would be a good way to showcase Gorr's incredible power. ZEUS?!?! I hope we have some scenes with him demonstrating him fighting Gorr and just being epic (although not necessarily likable)!" And what we got was just.... "oh..."
Those Marvel writers get paid top dollar to write "oh...". I'm excited to see what this new "Rippaverse" franchise is all about, the best thing going for them right now is they aren't Marvel.
"finally tackling serious real world issues" Using propaganda techniques to push one side of an issue is how I would have phrased it, but yeah there is a lot of real world issues in there.
You know a movie has issues when even the Pitch Meeting starts to get explicit and even serious about the nature of the problems! There was no sugarcoating this one, it seems!
I remember how Thor started as kind of a knucklehead. Then over the course of several movies became more savvy, respectable, and ended Ragnarok sitting on the throne; finally wise enough to be king. Then they threw all that development away and make him a joke.
You see Thor was on Odin's family plan back then so he had a premium service provider. But since Odin died, Thor was on his own so he's using a budget service now.
I just realize that the 4 Batman movies from the 90s and the 4 Thor movies from the MCU have a lot in common The 1st movie (Batman / Thor) was a good introduction to the hero with one of the best movie villains of all time. And the villain falls to his death at the end.. The 2nd movie (Batman Returns / Thor The Dark World) had a much more dark tone with a love story that doesn't work out in the end, and you think the anti villain working with the hero dies but revealed that they survived as the credits role. The 3rd movie (Batman Forever / Thor Ragnarok) gets a different director and makes the franchise more colorful and comedic, and has a villain that wears green and another with a burned face. And also teams up with someone that is green. Also the death of a father that motivates them to fight. The 4th movie (Batman and Robin / Thor Love And Thunder) has the same director as the 3rd and takes that comedic tone to another level that it makes the entire movie look like a Saturday morning cartoon and the outfits look more like toys rather than armor. Plus has a female version who suddenly gets the same powers with no training, but able to fight with the suit on. Also villain isn't really a villain but just wanted to find a way to save his love one that later an incident happen that caused his skin color to change but then entrusted the hero at the end to look after the person he loves after he was defeated in battle.
Back in '68 (yes I am old), my best friend in 1st grade was a HUGE Thor fan. We were both "Marvelites", reading the comics & watching Spider-Man, FF, and the Marvel Superhero cartoons back-in-the-day. Once he mentioned, "If they could do the special effects right, Thor would make a great movie". Hope he lived long enough to see it happen. Don't know how he'd feel about LOVE & THUNDER , though. But then it probably wasn't made for him.
While I do agree with you, going to the cinema is a past time, going with friends and family is half the experience in my book. I still watch Pitch Meetings to confirm all my cinema sins I tell myself out loud while watching said movies thigh
@@Collect2Disconnect Yah, it was (and so was vacationing in faraway places). For me, we reached a tipping point where CGI action movies got so tired and overwrought (and flying got so degrading) that I'd rather just stay home and watch the Critical Drinker and Ryan George eviscerate the genres I used to have a lot of excitement for.
@@Collect2Disconnect true, cinema is different experience. But for several reasons, one of which is Disney has been putting out too many movies/ shows too fast, I no longer watch everything. I still go to cinema, just less often :)
@@Collect2Disconnect The movies that I watch on Pitch Meetings are the movies I had no plans of watching anyway. I would never spoil Dune or Spiderman for myself, but for everything else Pitch Meetings is the place to go.
Just have to say, there has never been a pitch meeting that hasn't made me laugh. Kudos all around especially picking out plot points and the fun phrases of "super easy" "wow wow wow" and "hey shut up"
“Oh man, all these gods in a place that’s the perfect setup for a Gorr the butcher attack scene!” “Oh you know it sir… anyway.. instead, we’re gonna have Zeus taking off all of Thor’s disguise clothes and now he’s all naked” “But why?” “So we can have fan service for Chris Hemsworth’s fans who want to see his butt!” “Well okay then”
If they are going to do a nude scene with Thor, then the very least they could do is do a nude scene with a female character in a movie as well. But of course Marvel won't do that.
I was really annoyed we didn't get the scene where Jane grabs onto the newly re-formed Mjolnir and transforms for the first time. I mean it'd have been just like 1-2min of more footage, just show it!
The point about Gorr kidnapping the kids to get the gods to come despite believing gods don't care about anyone else is a really solid one.
I think that was the point in the actual movie. That Gorr is wrong (at least at some level) about the gods and deep down in his heart of hearts he knows that
That awkward face Ryan was making in response was a really good acting moment and it was hilarious.
I disagree actually. The point Gorr makes is that gods don't care about mortals (which is further established by Zeus' unwillingness to help Thor) but it's only reasonable that gods would seek to save their own children - in fact, I bet Zeus would try to save his children if they were in danger, even if he was only motivated by his narcissistic desire to be worshiped.
Thing is, Gorr's point is that gods only care when they're the ones at risk of losing everything.
@@perom551 In Homer’s Iliad, Zeus lets his demigod son Sarpedon get killed as part of a plan to end the Trojan War.
@@EventualWarlord I disagree. It’s like how Thanos presented himself as a noble crusader seeking to save the Universe from itself rather than the sadistic madman that everyone thought he was but in Endgame when he decided to destroy the entire Universe and admitted he would enjoy himself as he did so it would become clear to us in the audience that beneath his glamour he was the same thug that The Heroes all viewed him as being. So too with Gorr, his grief and vengeance led him to becoming a deicidal maniac but he knows that that the gods he battles care more than he’d like to admit he’s just in denial about it
Everytime the writer says "Hey shut up" in these marvel pitch meetings, when a stupid plot point is said, I feel like this is exactly what happens in the official meetings.
That's what the director said to Chris Hemsworth, probably
You think they actually plan these things out? They shoot a bunch of scenes that are only vaguely planned and then the editor tries to make a movie out of them.
ALPHA ghost RABBIT hole
How do you think Waititi gets his trash greenlit?
@@alexman378 It's not trash. You're just too sensitive.
When fighting Thanos, it might have helped if Thor gave his powers to his many mortal friends.
Agreed. Maybe it's something he's conveniently learned in between
@@JachAnen Nah, just someone watched "shazam" and thought.. "what a great idea".
@@LoneWolf-gz9mr Probably
@@LoneWolf-gz9mr FACTS
So, how many kids suffered gruesome deaths fighting the shadow creatures?
The "guy w child soldiers vs guy who thinks gods should be nicer to people" line killed me.
In fairness the MCU does a good job giving the villains a reasonable context. The bad guys can be sided with. They are often wrong or mistaken rather than being pure evil.
I thought he was talking about Shazam
@@doomsday3130 Wow,
*How did I not realize Thor 4 copied the plot ofShazam in some way*
We'll make a wish, bring you back
@@doomsday3130 OH MY GOD i have never thought of it like that.
“If it doesn’t land the first time it’s definitely not going to land the next 7” …A whole lot of this going on in the MCU lately
Indeed
Nearly all the Disney+ shows need to work on their writing. They all seem to have filler episodes.
The MCU is a money printing press. That is all.
@@Jimmy_Jones milky mouse
I came across this comment literally as he said it.
This movie feels like it was specifically made so Ryan could make a Pitch Meeting out of it.
NGL that feels like all movies lately
Like Rise of Skywalker
Taika's a fan, for sure
I'm awaiting a 4th wall breaking movie soon with Ryan in it.
godzilla vs kong*
Damn Gorr entering the god counsil and obliterating people would have been AMAZING
i agree
I was WAITING for that to happen. Like how does a dude called the GOD BUTCHER plus the introduction of an ENTIRE BIG ASS STADIUM FULL OF GODS not equal mass gods destruction. C'mon.
@@snowangel21111 I mean, you can have this badass fight scene and have Thor steal the bolt at the same time, then he escapes in the chariot and Gorr just looks on menacingly lol
This movie probably ran out of Budget and had to expand this meager love story and cheap jokes to buff the run time.
I would have loved to see more god killing; Heck just watching Gorr kill 2 or 3 unique Gods in separate fight scenes would have been enough.
They wasted stupid special effects en lieu for "Skittles Goats Tasting The Rainbow".
It's like Taika took a page out of Ruin Johnson's playbook and aimed to subvert our expectations. All of the things that could have been cool, we're not done.
Also, how do we go from Thor, Valkyrie and Jane getting owned by Gorr to just Thor and Jane owning him?
And what was up with the child army at the end? 🤦
I found it odd that Gorr and Jane Foster where about as good as fighting as Thor. Who has literally thousands of years of fighting experience.
Well maybe gorr is also really old Idk. There's probably a comic book explanation and waititi was just like nah. Or maybe it's just the power of Christian bayle who knows. 😂
@@acelovesdiyschristopher7023 There was. in the comics, Gorr was several billion years old, and had been killing gods that entire time.
@@Taliesyn42 dam. I'd rather watch a movie of that
@@Taliesyn42 that Gorr was....this Gorr is not that one.
@@johanstinson Your 'answer' is completely irrelevant to a question about the comic book background.
I was sure Ryan would point out when Thor said they had to take Gorr alive because that was the only connection to the kids... despite the fact that Thor had telepathically communicated with them at least twice and located them that way at least once.
I thought he would talk about Gorr being kratos I mean family dies and he blames a god killing him and becoming powerful enough to kill all the other gods too
@@bartholomewa4087 And his skin turned white afterwards.
@@jadewi17 trans racial 🥸
They did make a comment about the kids being moved when they got there but, yes, they could’ve easily talked again. Silly plot errors like that don’t bother me, but editing out all the Gorr kills, many of which they did actually film, and Jane first changing to a Thor, really annoyed me.
Communicating with them doesn't mean Thor can easily reach them, depending on what Gorr had done to them. Even when they reached the shadow planet, they didn't find the kids. It's one of the smaller plot holes imo.
I actually agree with him that Gorr fighting the Gods would have been a cool scene. The movie could have handled 10 or 15 minutes of more action.
And it would have heightened the stakes to actually see the kind of threat they were fighting against.
Nonetheless, a great performance from Christian Bale
Supposedly it was cut down from 4 hours.
Maybe it's in the 4 hour cut but probably just more Taika playing 6 different characters.
@@Randomusername382 dammit, they cut too hard 😂
Or you could say 50 millions more in budget
I really thought they would point out that it's weird that Thor never even mentionned bringing Jane to the many more advanced planets and/or wizards to cure her cancer.
Yeah good point, I mean the guardians of the galaxy alone should know a bunch of ways or people who could cure her.
Yeah, I know those type of real world problems are uncomfortable and glanced over in hero movies, but the Kree alone have a way to bring a dead man back to life, so I am sure they have some type or cancer treatment better than what she got on Earth.
Yeah, I’m sure other worlds would have discovered the cure for cancer.
@@doro626 Or maybe they could have even taken her to Wakanda
Or why they didnt just wish for her to be cured while they were in a room with an entity that grants wishes
One thing that really bugged me as well was the fact you needed the bifrost to access eternity. Like Eternity is a separate entity outside of Gods, like equal to that of the Watcher. but yet requires the power of a Norse God to access? it just makes Stormbreaker into a McGuffin of the entire movie
Absolutely wasted and ruined the amazing and infinitely interesting ICONIC concept/character of Eternity, to shoehorn Hemsworth's daughter in as an OC.
not only that, but Stormbreaker was just foraged pretty recently, meaning it would have been impossible for a prophesy or something of the sort to exist before hand.
It would have worked if it need Myjornir instead, as that weapon is a lot older than Stormbreaker.
@@heintz256 it wouldn't have though. Because eternity is the beginning of the entire universe which is still billions of years before Mjolnir
@@saber2802 Yes, but the Bifrost existed for a long time before that.
Watching Pitch Meetings as soon as I see them in my feed is tight!
And also super easy, barely an inconvenience!
Here’s the history of pitch meeting guy in 3 minutes… ANIMATED!
Very tight.
Wow wow wow…….wow
Oh really
“If it doesn’t land the first time, it certainly not gonna land the next seven”
I didn’t know Ryan had a direct line into this movie’s writing room.
Top marks mate lmfao
I feel like it's very valid criticism... The goat scream did make me laugh each and every time though.
@@DarksteelPenguin The goat screaming is my favorite part! There were plenty of other jokes that felt pretty out of place though. Basically everything to do with Zeus was.... Unwelcome.
waititi is a hack
It actually didn't land with me for the first few times and progressively got funnier and funnier.
@@DarksteelPenguin listen, please don't take this personally, but I violently hate your very being. Every time I heard those insufferable fucking goats I wanted to see Gorr do what he did to that worm thing, my god what a fantastic way to break up pace and completely take your audience out of an already shit movie. It had good moments, but for me, those goats ruined it for me instantly. Again, don't take this as a personal attack. Sorry.
Do you want to know wasted potential?
Just imagine if Gorr actually used Asgard’s dark buried history to explain on why all the gods need to die. Odin being a conqueror, Hela being the goddess of death, Loki being the god of lies and trickery, and there’s Thor, who used to crave the thrill of battle.
Look, we don't want to introduce norse mythology. This isn't about uhm... wait, are we still talking about Star Wars?
I agree. that and gorr coming to Zeus's city and massacring all the beings while Thor is chained which stops him from being able to stop gorr from killing all of them including the celestial. That would make gorr a geniune threat and a badass scene.
And that eating kids at some point that Thor mentionned, that's bad.
But Gorrs problem wasn't only with asgardian gods, so to me him making a reference to asgard history would be pointless
@@superfoda-se5826 but it's an example. For gorr it's just more proof that all of them are the same.
“Hey Shutup” is 100% what is said when producers question anything at Disney. 😂
😂😂😂😂😂
Did the kids all get costumes too?
EWW CinemaSins Thor 4
Thor-look at all of these Gods murdered
CinemaSins-yes Darwin got it from the blatant distressed call that was basically like the god butcher is killing so many gods he's called the god butcher because of all the god butchering can we mentioned he goes by the name the god Butcher
Th3Birdman-and we all know if this didn't happen you'd be all like “he's called the god butcher” but I don't see too many gods being butchered stop planning about you would sin if it didn't happen
Korg-what is that ?
CinemaSins-and more importantly why didn't we get to see the amazing fight it must have taken for Discount Knox to take him
Th3Birdman- this film is adapting the gore storyline from the comics and in that storyline we didn't see faligar being killed either only the aftermath in that respect the film is extremely comic accurate down to the panel
(Th3Birdman literally shows the panel from actual Thor vs Gorr comic book he has)
“Hey, shut up” and “put a chick in it and make her lame and gay.”
Gorr's reincarnated daughter couldn't have cared less about her father dying in front of him in the movie 😂...She was like, you out? Nevermind, rushes to Uncle Thor
I mean Thor's her real father in real life so... 🤣🤣🤣
@@JishinimaTidehoshi So they should have cast a child actress who would convey the appropriate emotion for the scene...?
right, the blankest face ever. That KILLED ME
I thought that too!!!
I thought so too. I found out later that this girl is Hemsworth's actual daughter soooo, yeah.
“If it doesn’t land the first time, it’s certainly not gonna land the next seven”
Perfectly sums up this movie.
Rather the MCU except some
To be fair it didn't land the first time but the last time actually got a chuckle from the theater
What's that quote though? That's so very much not the correct quote, mate. You gotta listen better.
@@Prelmable Better?
@@TheOneToKeepYouWaiting absolutely!
The part that got me was after Thor promised Gorr that he’d protect his daughter, he immediately uses her as a child soldier against an alien horde.
OK, but.. he made sure she was wearing the proper footwear for battle.
@Sabine Wren Forgot about that. Okay it’s all good! /S
Asgardians are a warrior race... why would they treat adopted children any different?
@RATED Because Gorr specifically asked him to? Do you see Thor taking the other kids in New Asgard on adventures? Did he even train Gorr’s daughter first like Valkyrie and Sif trained their charges? Gorr’s daughter was drawing smiley faces on weapons!
So, like... is Gorr's race power-abled or does Love have some undefined Eternity powers at the end? Cause I have no idea how she's wielding Stormbreaker or why she's running into battle.
The part about the child soldiers AND gorr taking children were really solid
"Hey shut up and so then Gorr steals all these children...."
That was GOLD ✋🏼😭
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I thought he would also say "So Thor and the others turn up at the God city and they kill a bunch of Gods." "Oh, my God." "Yes, in fact they kill more Gods than Gorr." "But isn't God killing what, you know, the bad guy does?" "Sir, you're going to have to get all the way off my back about that."
With diamonds and rubies. Just when you think you know all the laugh tearing tricks Ryan has up his sleeves, he hits your funny bone from your blind spot.
I hope 'hey shut up and so then " becomes another running gag, just like "super easy barely an inconvenience"
@@scottmangiapane yes! this is not the first time you know? I think it's a thing
Thor peaked in Infinity War. I still remember the crowd screaming in the theatre when he arrived in Wakanda with Stormbreaker. THAT is the Thor we want to see. A powerful hero who overcomes adversity and continues to do what is right depite everything that he has lost. Not a bumbling cartoon meathead. You can have humor with Thor but not at the expense of the character himself. Too much humor and it becomes a parady, not a performance.
I liked his struggle in endgame. And the continuation of all that in Thor 4! now it’s the aftermath and picking up of all that. Character DOES change, he’s having to pick apart and rebuild himself after everything, in this way, the crazy and inconsistent character makes more sense. AND the ending he Does relearn to do what’s right no matter what-with the adoption-learning to love after loss, to preserve, to show up, to stick with ppl. I think that’s pretty darn good characterization! I just think there weee some failures with execution (too many scenes with thor acting silly)
@@CM-pf1xc I agree that characters beliefs and personalities can change. However characters don't normally become dumber. They made Thor way too dumb in this one. I'm not saying he needs to be Banner level smart. But he certainly shouldn't be Drax level stupid either. I don't know why they cranked the humor to 11. Ragnarok was more balanced with the humor and drama. This one was just too much of a comedy and many of the jokes didn't really land. I'm happy you liked the film. I didn't hate it. But I certainly didn't love it either.
Probably the hardest I ever laughed on an MCU movie was the scene in Infinity War where Thor and Star Lord were one upping each other.
Thor in the God butcher comic is amazing I never liked Thor and that story completely changed my outlook. Sadly they ruin the story so much in this movie its mind blowing. Seriously Gorr is easily one of the coolest villains I've seen in a long time. I wish the movie even attempted to try and tell the God Butcher story just so people who don't check out comics could experience it. Shit, they didn't even try to make bale look even slightly like Gorr. They weren't even trying.
The man really went from that to needing a room full of children to fight monsters for him…… I hate Disney.
Christian bale's acting as Gorr is what kept me into the movie. The Gorr side of the story felt like an entirely separate movie, a movie that I'd rather watched honestly.
Imagine if this movie was written by Neil Gaiman and directed by someone who wasn’t a narcissistic moron terrified of feeling real emotions. Such a wasted opportunity.
They probably sent Bale the original script with none of the stupid jokes so he'd sign on.
I hated he didn't wanted to use the prostetics because "ma face"
@@changer_of_ways_999 💯💯
You supported trash.
Wow, you made me laugh more in 5 minutes, than the whole movie did in its over 2 hours of runtime. Nice one! :)
Screaming goats 🤣🤣🤣
*"Thor: Love & Thunder"*
*"He's back and dumber than ever!"*
That should have been the tag line of the movie.
Burn 🔥🤣
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Taika is kicking himself for not using that tag line. I know it.
It's like the Fladerization that happened to Joey in Friends. First he started out smart but not book-smart. Then he became a dumb broski. Then he became a toddler by the end.
@@One.Zero.One101 Same with Kevin in The Office
He's actually pretty smart here
Nowadays I become more excited about the pitch meetings than the actual movies.
The producer guys character development being him slowly starting to question these movie ideas is hilarious.
Ryan missed something. Storm Breaker was crafted recently, but yet it is the key to a place made a long long time ago.
I was thinking the same exact thing!
Bifrost not Stormbreaker itself
The Bifrost was the key to Eternity, and Storm Breaker generates the Bifrost. In the past, Asgard was the source of the Bifrost, but it was destroyed in Thor: Ragnarok.
It’s the Bifrost. What’s more stupid is Gor just drew a picture for them to find
I know right, I lost the key to my house and now I'm screwed because my door is too old to get a new key made!
I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt weird about the Infinity Conez.
It's like making an amusement park but one of the roller coasters is one of the 9/11 planes
People argue it’s meant to represent the gauntlet saying the universe in Endgame or the one in Odins vault. Except it’s not the Stark Gauntlet and I don’t know what your everyday Asgardian knew about the stuff in Odins vault and why did Odin have a fake.
oh did a big green guy undo 9/11 5 years later using the same planes?
Or to borrow from a certain TH-cam creator: "A Jewish man opening a clothes store called 'Ausch-fits'."
It's hard to imagine any of the Asgardian residents being happy to see a shop using the Infinity Gauntlet as a logo seeing as that same item definitely blipped a lot of their close family and friends. Utterly bizarre.
@@ratholin they didn't in the MCU either, by the end there were laughably like what 4 or 5 of those things lol same glove my ass
That moment when Gorr talked to the kids like "The Gods don't care about you!" and mini-Heimdall was like "You'll see! Thor will come rescue us!" so Gorr responds with "I'm counting on it" like, bruh, your whole point is that you think Gods are doo-doo selfish pricks, and you somehow go a weird 180 within 20 seconds on your whole logic cause a kid made some freakin sense.
I like when he brings in the shadow serpent and rips it's head off. Then he looks at the kids and says "you liked that a second ago".
That scene had me rolling like the serpent's head.
Wasn't he technically talking to a mix that included the children of Gods though? I mean, both of Axl's parents were Asgardians and they're all lumped in as Gods. It'd make sense for a God to save Godly offspring.
Haven't seen the movie yet, so I'm just speculating but---I think that's possible to justify without stretching into questionable logic. Kid says Thor will come rescue them because he believes Thor is a great hero. Gorr agrees because he thinks Thor won't be able to resist claiming the glory of rescuing them.
Comics were better. Would’ve loved to see that.
Yup. And I have NO idea how I didn't realize the major plot hole he pointed out here. That Thanos or The Avengers should have just went to Eternity instead of doing all the bullshit they did with the stones and time travel!
I like how he did get off his back about the previous movies and didn't ask why Thor never lent his power to any of the Avengers before.
Black Widow could've used some Thor power...
He didn't have Thunderbolt?
@@jdunlapmusic it looks like it's his own power like the enchantment he unknowingly puts on the hammer
@@jdunlapmusic he mentions “temporary the power of Thor” not “temporary and the power of thunderbolt”.
Personally it just felt like a plot device just so he could have funny scenes of monsters being taken out by kids.
It's the same as why every weak vulnerable human didn't get an ironman suit.
these 2 guys just might be the best comedy duo i've seen in a while.
Definitely. Their timing off each other is so crisp!
@@jfitzTheir timing is tight!
The tone of this movie was like watching Titans, Teen Titans, and Teen Titans Go in a weird hodge podge marathon.
Teen Titans>>>>> thor4
@@himathegreat2987 Teen TItans>>>>>>>>>>>entire MCU phase 4.
All of that but without teen titans
The original Teen Titians was a good show
@@Scarlet_moon. nah NWH and Shang cgi were good and BP2 will probably be good too
“Dang it Mjölnir. What the heck?” That line broke me 😂😂
They stuck true to the comics with the whole killing her thing, just didn't explain it at all well in the film. He nailed that inconsistency!
Even if they explained it well those comics are trash.
Tbf it did give her an afterlife
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Finally it’s here.
@@josephgomez5566 nah, theyre really good. Jason Aarons run was really good,
"Hey shut up" is really starting to grow on me. It's always hilarious when the writer yells at the producer to get off his back over inconsistencies in the movie
When he first started doing the "hey shut up" I thought it was the REPLACEMENT for "get all the way off my back" but he did both in this video so I guess not. Just another track added to the Greatest Hits Collection!
@@PlumbPitiful same. glad he's kept them both.
Hey shut up
Haha same
Ooof, disagree
This guy had to count the times goats screamed lol. Points for dedication
Thor is one of the most tragic characters in the MCU but he gets treated like a meathead most of the time. His family is dead/murdered, his friends get murdered, his ego and gloating to Thanos allowed billions of people to die, he had an amazing redemption. But no, haha muscle man stupid.
Don't forget they added another person to the "dead" list - the love of his life. That part made me truly sad, remembering his speech to Rocket in Infinity War.
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Finally it’s here.
I really liked how Gorr hated the Gods for not helping, but also counted on Gods (Thor) going to save the kids.
They didn't help their followers. The children were the Gods' children.
And using his single one wish that could do anything to wish for his daughter to be alive again
What Mr. Stuff Doer said. Thor saved those kids because they were fellow Asgardians he had a personal connection with. If Gorr kidnapped some random other humans a few miles away in a different Norwegian town, there's a slim chance Thor would have dropped everything he was doing and risking his life for then
@@mr.stuffdoer8483 that’s not how that works really. Those of Asgard aren’t all gods, otherwise the Norse pantheon would be one of the largest because everyone would be a god.
@@creed8712 I think he noticed that Thor wasn't the usual disinterested God when he first met him. Thats why he changed plans and took the kids.
They could’ve made a compelling story about gods and faith, specifically how Jane goes to New Asgard, where some gods live, to seek something that might help with her cancer, something similar to how families would pray for their loved ones. And most of the time, their prayers don’t work. But instead, because Jane hooked up with a god, she gets the temporary aid that Gorr and his people are denied.
They kinf of did that in Thor 2 already...
@@Skullogk we don't talk about that one
@@highdefinition450 Judging by the trailer and this vid, I'd rather watch Thor 2 again than the new one once.
Getting special treatment because of people you've slept with is a foundation of Hollywood.
That really does sound compelling.
"he needs to change service provider" 🤣
Really dig these. Glad to see you've still got it.
"But he's the godbuthcer" and "seems like a perfect place for butchering" exactly my lines
yeah it'd be pretty cliche to just have the god butcher show up where all the gods are hiding out. I mean that's the sort of lazy writing we save for star wars.
@@ratholin Somehow Malekith returned
But…. Money from the 8 -15 year old market segment ….
@@ratholin But... thats exactly what Godbutcher does. Show up and kill gods.
Well they said it was invitations only.
Also could have added that Thor went to the god city to assemble an army but it turns out he can make an army of Thors himself with any asgardian soldier or literally anybody else.
Yep- it literally feels like they had a dozen screen writers, all working separately, then Takky Wakkytity just took all their scripts, threw them in the air, grabbed pages at random and decided that this was the movie he wanted to make.
@@SuicideNeil Starting to unironically think that if the movie was ad libed it would be better.
I wonder why he didnt go this to all the Avengers and the wakandan army when they fought Thanos...
@@starkiller1289 I read that the movie was largely improvised, with them making adjustments to the script based on what improvisations they liked best, so ad libbing seems to be the problem
Takky Wakkytity?
...
Im so stealing that, that is his name from now until the day he dies.
Its perfect.
🤣🤣🤣
I hope Taika sees this... Cause yeah, "he's dumber than ever" nailed it 3 seconds in.
When Chris Hemsworth described Taika's writing process as "what a 7 year old would write", I immediately lost all interest in even renting this movie from Redbox as that sounds like the dumbest movie ever.
There's been a Taika overload.
Taika would take that "dumber that ever" quip as a compliment.
@@Dargonhuman why would Hemsworth even go thru and let Taika do this and ruin the character?
Hemsworth could easily refuse and they would have to literally cave to him because they cant replace him yet...and if they did, well the movie would surely tank
@@GCEXTREMEMN Why would Hemsworth do Ghostbusters Answer The Call when he thought it would kill his acting career? Contractual obligations and needing that paycheck are the answers. Also, in this case, Hemsworth said in the same interview that he thought they were great ideas so he clearly doesn't think very highly of the character.
"The Infinity Cone" is a little like having a honey store and calling it the Zyklon Bee.
Gorr was such a missed opportunity. He wasn’t in the movie that much, and they never did much with his motivation. If they had shown more failures of the Gods, he was characterized a little differently, and there was some sort of realization by the end on Thor’s part he would have been incredible. Pretty good as is
I agree. I have been saying that Gorr was too serious of a villain to be in a joke movie like this and Marvel should have told his story more so than thors becaue then at the end people would have actually cared in Gorr died.
Honestly I wasn't expecting that much from Gorr, the MCU has a very long track record of just killing off villains in a single movie, except for Loki and technically "Hydra" no movie villain survived to make it to other movies, ok perhaps "The Winter Soldier" technically did... but he became a good guy.
@@Mike__B thanos was in multiple movies too lol
Thanks was the villain in one story, which was split into two movies. That doesn’t change the point that the other commented was making.
The original runtime for the movie is like 4 hours so if we nah enough maybe we can get the Taika cut… 😂😂😂
3:03 it’s these little moments that make Pitch Meeting so genius. Ryan is brilliant at subtle humor.
Subtle?
@@highdefinition450 A lot of people wouldn't ever pick up on this joke that's been a recurring joke. Also when he said "Super easy barely an inconvenience" that was actually a subtle callback to the catchphrase of this channel.
@@Kevinm2222 This comment is TIGHT!!
“Also we found out how Korg was born”
“Oh really”
“Yeah you see, his dads hold hands over a pit of lava and a month later he gets formed”
“Ok, but didn’t Korg mention having a mom in Ragnarok?”
“Hey shut up so anyway…”
Thor: "He's adopted."
What are you doing step-boulder?
@@MarkD5678 very good
The pit of lava was his mom
“What did I say about previous Marvel movies??”
As a huge Thor fan, i can say that Thor-Love & Thunder exeeded all my expectations, at how bad it was going to be...
Well: Taika Waititi said it sounded like a movie that Thor fans would hate, and it seems you delovered on that assessment. well done 👍
What’s with people making movies intentionally to anger their core audience on purpose?
@@worldscoolestperson7672 It's like that's exactly what they're doing. It's very strange..
Tryna sabotage Marvel from the inside maybe LMFAO
The entire movie feels like it was written by a 6 yr old, or for 6 yr olds
"thors got a new axe, i bet it’s gonna be real jealous when miljnor comes back”
“what if thor looked up to zeus cause he thought lightning was cool”
“all the kids will get powers to fight at the end, like a ride at disneyland”
“my grandma just showed me this funny video of a bunch of goats screaming”
“what if we have a narrator for half the movie explaining the movie to literal children in the most child like way possible”
@@chaosflash7 Exactly, and very well put my friend.. and that's the same vibe i got from it too, like I was watching a kids movie, i mean a movie made purely for kids, like 'Spy Kids' with superheroes. It was just all so poorly written and executed..
You missed the part where they baited fans into thinking Thor goes to various places in the trailer but it turns out they’re just from the opening narration by Korg
Really? lol glad I didn’t pay money to watch it then
It seems like you know a lot about the bbc meat.
That's just the standard approach of every movie blockbuster trailer though. They're always a lie.
And they had the original comics accurate costume!!! For....1 second in the movie.
My favorite part of this movie was when Thor met back up with Jane on the battlefield, having a little re-meet cute, meanwhile all around them New Asgard is visibly fighting for their lives while they chat. At the council meeting afterwards it is literally (flippantly, casually) said that a lot of warriors died. This movie's tone was fishtailing the entire way down the plot road.
That's literally EVERY Marvel movie though. I'm sure a million people lost their lives when New York was attacked and a million more were stuck buried under the rubble, but hey let's get some shawarma.
I felt so frustrated watching them just stand around with civilians fighting zombie monsters in the background. Like
@@_yujin_ yeah, while a million people were still stuck under the rubble. They're heroes. Their job is saving people. This is literally every single marvel movie. I cringe everytime the Hulk throws something. Yeah it's cool to watch, but it's not cool for the little old lady walking her dog then gets crushed by a car that just fell out of the sky.
Those weren't ordinary civilians, they're Asguardians who relish the chance to die in battle and reach Valhalla, so it wasn't that big of a deal
Dark Humor
Ryan’s talent is remarkable. I’ve seen sooooo many of these, and they just never fail to hit a bullseye. Every time. Amazing. My favorite recent addition is the quick “shut up” that he just speeds through at some point when glossing over a particularly egregious fault in the script. As welcome now as the other catch-phrases. I still think my favorite is, “wow wow wow wow wow… wow.” Never gets old. So hilarious.
THANK YOU, RYAN!!!
This new addition also gives some insight to the writer's mindset, i.e. that he knows he is full of shit.
Amaaayyzing, wow wow wow………………………..,………….wow!
I particularly love the “I don’t knoooww”
Hey shut up!
I like the Super Mario Bros pitch meeting where one Brian says, "So, we are just going to go all in on the plumbing."
Other Brian says, "OH going all in on the plumbing is TIGHT." And first Brian says, "it really is..."
I hadn't thought about it before, but now I really want to see Gor doing more cool god-butchering.
"He's dumber than ever."
Writer Guy really explained the entire movie in that sentence
You don't know what you're talking about boy. Watch your mouth. (_)_)::::::::D--- -- -
Certainly explained the biggest problem with it. Thor being an idiot in some unofficial TH-cam videos between movies is amusing. Thor being a fucking moron in his own movie is not.
@@zanthrax6762 To be fair this is some kind of fantastical, super-heroic dumbness.
MCU Thor is dumb the same way as Forrest Gump : he thinks in straight lines, ignoring complication, but it is not such a handicap.
Real life dumb people can't cope and get lost in the complexity of the world they live in, and it is much more sad to watch.
My favorite part was when Gorr was completely right. Like, every god we saw was pretty much horrible to the people who worshipped them - even Thor, who we saw harm a civilization he was "saving" in a self-servingly cool way. Thor himself even fakeout-killed the King of the Gods for being indifferent to suffering - THE EXACT SAME THING GORR WAS DOING - and got a hero moment for it. But instead of having that conversation or elaborating on why the gods deserved to be saved, they had Gorr kidnap some kids so that he remained the bad guy and Thor could save someone. Fun!
Pretty standard for the MCU now; the "villain" actually has a really good point, so they are made to do something random but definitely evil so we know for sure they are the villain.
That's a very good point.
@@MsCaptK Tbh, I found Gorr the only one whose motives were good. Killmonger just wanted war, Ego wanted everyone to be him, and Thanos wanted to destroy half the universe. I can’t think of another villain whose motives were good though in the MCU
Spot on. Gorr was the best part of the movie. I really wish Marvel would pump the breaks on the "cool" and "funny" moments and give us a reason to care about these people, sometimes.
The script os a mess and the movie is so bad in so many levels
It’s unfortunate that the Guardians aren’t in this but for one minute and Gorr is not seen that much either. Big miss there!
Me realizing that not more than one god's death was shown was when I knew this movie is bad.
@@king_halcyon 💯💯
Thats what we think but if you take a microscope and an x ray to the theatre you can see a glimpse of drax in every frame of the movie, he is just standing so incredibly still that he is invisible
I was really looking forward to Thor and the Guardians after endgame, so I agree, it was a gigantic miss. Would've been fun to see the two Chrises interact more. 🥲
And a terrible misuse of Christian bale! I thought he did everything he could with his script, but there wasn't nearly enough
"I would like to see that.
NO.
Ah, dang it."
This is killing me 🤣🤣🤣
After seeing the reaction to this film I was so stoked for the Pitch Meeting! Have to say, after Endgame I saw a lot of people saying they were looking forward to what Thor would do with the Guardians. And the studio obviously knew that would be a big draw because the Guardians were featured in the promos. Sometimes I don't understand movie-making decisions at all.
Instead of Thor 4 and the upcoming GotG 3, why couldn't we have had a Thor/GofG crossover movie? I just don't understand. Marvel has overextended and overexposed itself and I've finally decided that, for me personally, it's no longer must see. I'll see a Marvel movie if the reviews are great but I'm done seeing it because it's the MCU. It's too much.
@@RobShelley84 I think this is now a general consensus. I checked out of Marvel now and so many people are doing the same. I don't want to deal with the disappointment. Every Marvel film that has been out for the past two years has felt weak, rushed, convoluted (too many inconsistencies as a result) and emotionally dead. The last Spiderman was the best of them. They are too focused on quantity over quality.
@@RobShelley84 that's what I thought too. When Endgame had ended I thought GOTG 4 would also serve as a Thor 4. You know like how Iron Man was featured in Civil War and Spider-Man Homecoming, because we already had got our Iron Man standalone trilogy. They could have gone for a GOTG and Thor team up against the Necrosword powered Gorr the God butcher. Big budget, serious yet humorous take on the characters while keeping the film a little longer. Half the decisions in this film have been made to ensure it remains kid friendly and woke!
Probably Taika didn't feel like using those characters and Kevin allowed it.
@@alvaro.martinez Or maybe if they had clubbed Thor's journey with the Guardians in a GOTG movie with James Gunn at the helm, then maybe it wouldn't have been so bad. Taika completely butchered the storylines and the character and on top of it he thinks he done some sort of favor to the Marvel fans.
You'd think, by now, screenwriters would submit their screenplays to Ryan FIRST to foresee and patch plot holes and correct stupid plot devices. That'd be SUPER easy, but a HUGE inconvenience . It works out better this way for all of us I suppose.
He'll have to get ALL THE WAY on their back for that.
That's actually not a bad idea lol
He should see their test screening and then film a pitch meeting for them so they can see what's wrong
This is the sort of film that FULLY deserves the treatment. Case in point: GORR WAS CRIMINALLY WASTED! Literally and metaphorically.
Yeah I know right. I actually tried calling the cops on Marvel Studios but it turns out that wasn't worth their time and they arrested me!
btw pls support my case in court.
I can't go to prison again.
I'm just making a joke but I do agree with you
Gorr is one of the biggest comic villains from the last two decades, and they did him like this. He was a BIG EVENT, and his story leads into a COMIC WIDE EVENT (knull story). Damn it taika watiti.
According to interviews with Christian Bale, there is upwards of an hour of cut footage of Gorr killing gods to make room for Thor to be an idiot.
Honestly. But Marvel always does this. They can't have villains with genuinely good points that challenge the status quo like Gorr or Killmonger, because Marvel *are* the status quo. It's like how you can't trust religious people to make a good movie about atheism, if they actually portrayed the arguments sincerely and well, they'd have to acknowledge their own wrongs.
Having an infinity gauntlet themed ice cream shop would be like having a 7-11 store based on 9/11 😬
Or a restaurant called Hitler Burger.
Turning serious and meaningful moments into jokes is super easy barely an inconvenience
Indeed
After seeing the movie… it was labeled as a comedy. They didn’t turn cancer into a joke at all, and that’s the only serious part, Tony called Maw “Squidward” and y’all were ok with that
@@Foxy02016 Somehow, the jokes worked in Infinity War
Not so much here
wow wow wow...wow
@@Foxy02016 guess you're just gonna gloss right over the Infinity Cone thing then huh? Sure let's make a joke about the single most devastating thing in the MCU.
The Snap is the Order 66 of the MCU and STAR WARS treats Order 66 you know a DEVESTATING thing with more respect than Marvel treats The Snap at this point.
My favorite moment is when Jane tells Gorr her name is the MIghty Thor despite that not once being mentioned previously in the movie. And seriously, why tf did we not see her initial transformation? That would have been a big deal, right? We also see the God "butcher" kill one God. That's absurd. The more I sit and think about this the more disappointed I become.
Yup Gorr could easily have been a Thanos-level threat to the gods, in the way he wanders from realm to realm, hunting them one by one like an unstopable force. He truly deserved more than just a single movie. But I guess, they can't have long lasting antagonists if it isn't an Avengers movie..
If Jane being Thor was like a surprise or something like that, i would get why they didn't show the transformation. But that was the entire selling point of the movie 😂
I believe, technically, her being "The Mighty Thor" was mentioned exactly once, earlier in the movie, but they didn't dwell on it.
Dammit that is so true. I knew some things felt missing but just couldn't put my finger on them.
Hey if you butcher one pig, you are still a butcher. I mean, maybe not for tax purposes, but Gorr probably wasn't filing with the IRS either...
I've lost my train of thought.
I think my new favorite recurring line is Ryan's "Hey shut up"
It's good but "Get all the way off my back" is more quotable for me. I am however so happy to hear that both lines are in this video!
I hope "thank you so much thank you very much" becomes recurring.
I never see that heyshutup coming
I love reading this comment every week!
good lord …
Ryan you going into this character and doing this pitch bit should be a pre-filming vetting for every movie … period.
never before has anyone made pointing out the ridiculousness of poor movie making and complete failures at storytelling than this series.
it is genius … period … i have no notes to lend to you but “bravo”
One problem I had with the movie was that one of Gorr's main issues with the gods was that the "eternal reward" was a sham and that there's nothing but death after death when Jane gets the "reward" in going to Valhalla after dying.
Damn bro. Thinking on another level.
I think the eternal reward might not have been in the original comic as much - was more about gods just being disinterested in having anything to do with mortals. Fattening their bellies while others starved. Well... like us in 1st world countries...
Pretty sure the "eternal reward" was a jab at Christianity (maybe Islam and Jewism as well). The line made no sense with the movie because it was actually directed at the audience.
The writers are counting that you not only turn your brain off, but also completely forget anything that happened in a previous scene when you come to a next scene. For example, Lady Sif dies outside of battle and Thor mocks her for thinking she's going to Valhalla, but then Jane Foster dies outside of battle and of course she goes to Valhalla anyway. Derp derp!
@@HerculesBallsInc Jane was battling with cancer !
@@HerculesBallsInc sif didn't die
The other that got me is that they “killed” Zeus and then every other God there (who they mentioned many times were some of the strongest) just sat there and were like, “hey now you cut that out. Don’t be killing Zeus now.” And didn’t leap into battle?
IDK Zues was cool but he and a lot of gods are kind of asses..why not let the minor god security handle it?
Also if Zeus survived I don't want to think about how he would handle having to be rescued. That could go badly for the rescuer.
Because you can't just kill gods like that. It's why the Necrosword scared them all so much.
@@LC-sc3en post-credit scene spoiler… Zeus didn’t die.
@@timotheninja Ares would’ve joined just to get his ass kicked lol although I do agree with you.
Zeus didn’t die. He’s in a post credits scene.
Absolutely nailing it (as usual). There was a really compelling opportunity for both Jane Foster battling cancer/becoming Thor and Gorr's journey to slay the gods, and both are almost entirely relegated out of the movie to make way for jokes.
Does Thor at least reflect on his family’s history and wonder if maybe gods really are doing more harm than good? With everything we’ve seen from them, that seems like an obvious thing to address.
I know those 2 other very strong / deep story lines just get lost in what basically became a “3 stooges movie” with no consistency just silly jokes 🫤
I'm surprised how there's no mention of the theatre scene from Ragnarok being recycled, and made longer. Like yeah, it was funny the first time, also because it was short enough to give us a good chuckle. But again? We get it, your theatre scene is good material for many articles ("MATT DAMON IN MCU BLAFKFPWFWKMF!!!") but Jesus man lmao
@@jacobd1984 Nah. In the comics that was a major thing too. He had a lot of self-doubt about how a lot of gods are selfish pricks, and he even was one in his youth. He loses his worthiness to Mjolnir because of it (leading to Jane picking it up).
I'm fine they didn't do the Unworthy arc, but yeah the doubt aspect definitely should've been there.
Imagine if Thor discovered how Mjolnir can give other people powers and used it to save Jane which will not only give her Lightning powers but will also heal her cancer.
Really impressed you manage to keep making these and they’re consistently great. This was one of my favorites and I’ve seen just about all of them.
Hela decimated Asgardian forces by herself, Thanos wrecks Hulk without breaking a sweat… I was hoping to see something like that with Gorr. Especially with Bale driving the character; they could’ve really showed how much of a threat he is in his butchering of gods.
Sure they COULD have, but why do that when it would make it a better movie? The corporatocracy demands blandness!
@@robfalgiano They actually had a whole bunch of scenes with him killing gods with like Peter Dinklage and stuff but they were removed
@@sabershikik9351 well WTF is that about? DO NOT CUT BALE SCENES.
Ryan is absolute GOLD. He has saved me so much money.
And time. I get so much done not going to movies.
DITTO!
It's still a fun movie and even though I never found the goat meme even slightly amusing, Thor's goats were quite funny!
How much, the ticket prices ought to be huge now.
That's such a weird statement since you need to actually have seen the movie to fully appreciate the pitch meetings.
Saw the movie this evening, and enjoyed the pitch meeting more than the whole movie!
why did you put yourself through that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ooooooooooooohhhh the humanity !!!!
I thought he gave them the power of Zeus with the thunder bolt. Did I mishear or something?
Thats not saying anything bout the movie. All of Ryans pitch meetings are amazing.
The first half of this movie was... Bad(not horrible IMO).... The second half? SO MUCH WORSE!!!
Amen preach it
I was so disappointed with this movie
"Sounds like a lot of fun, but do you think that were leaning too hard on the Marvel humor." Perfect line to end this on.
Yeah... the bit with the children at the end gave me very mixed feelings. Back when I was a child myself I would have absolutely loved it, the ultimate power fantasy of being not only recognized by my hero, but getting to fight alongside them. As an adult, however, it felt way too much like Thor deliberately endangering the people who he should ostensibly have been there to save.
To work the scene really needed to be staged differently. Thor need to at least try telling the kids to run or hide. It shouldn't have been Thor's idea to have the kids scrounge up whatever weapons they could find, it should be something the kids do on their own initiative. Thor shouldn't be the one giving the rousing speech, he should be getting his ass kicked. It needed to be the kids then that step forward and declare for themselves that as Asgardians they can't back down, and then Thor can grant them the power to fight by his side.
...or maybe it shouldn't have been Thor granting them powers at all. Maybe Jane should have shown up first, fight her hardest, but when she falls and the shards of Mjölnir scatter, each of the children would pick up a piece and in doing so empower themselves.
This is so much better! I’m going to pretend it’s an alternate timeline and the movie was a lesser version
no no no. We can't allow good writing in these movies. Ridiculous!
Thor did tell the kids they should never meet their heroes, it would only be a disappointment.
@@jsl151850b: I'd honestly forgotten that line and it actually kinda just makes the whole thing worse :-(
Wow what a good idea 👍 Seriously, it’s so good
I had 2 major complaints about this movie:
1. Sif can't go to Valhalla because she would've died from her wounds AFTER the battle itself, but Jane goes to Valhalla despite dying of her wounds AFTER the battle itself?
2. Taika Waititi CLEARLY knows how to direct drama, the dramatic scenes in the movie hit HARD. He should've gone more with that.
so many weird plot holes like that. I thought stormbreaker was ultra powerful and would kill most people who tried to wield it? Now kids can pick it up and pass it around
Wait what? They're having it so you'd have to die during the duration of the battle and not just as a result of being wounded while fighting in battle? I feel like that's incredibly arbitrary.
@@WildMen4444 it was for a joke. Sif lost her arm and she was dying while telling Thor "I'm finally going to Valhalla" and then Thor was like "nope you're dying after the battle not during but maybe your arm is in Valhalla"
She didn't even die of battle wounds. She died of cancer. Or whatever Mjolnir did to her.
Well, that is obviously how they believe it works, but not how it actually works. Odin too became orange dust and went to Valhalla, but he died peacefully surrounded by his sons.
800 (unofficial) videos later, Pitch Meetings are still bangers…not even a little tired of these. Thank you for the laughs 🙏
I found myself rooting for Gorr the entire time. He had a point.
The gods were THE WORST. They didn't care about anything. Someone just killed some gods and comes to kill you? Don't care. Someone just killed your idol god in front of thousands of your kind (actual gods ffs)? Don't care.
Also, Zeus' argument "any god should just protect their people" is stupid 'cause he clearly makes it seem like he's the god of the gods or something
No kidding. Asgard is only a small village's worth of gods, and outside of that group it seems like every other god actually is a total dick.
"So he can just share his powers?"
"Yes sir."
"Seems like something he probably should have done earlier. Like in Infinity War. Or Age of Ultron. Or every single Thor movie."
"Well, he couldn't do it then."
"Why not?"
"Because the script needed it to not happen then."
"Oh, well, okay then!"
I feel like he realized he could do it only after his "protect Jane" enchantment actually worked. He'd also been doing some meditation.
Honestly, that line of criticism is a bit like asking why Iron Man didn't give every other Avenger their own powered armour.
@@JamesDarcon2007 also it might be a power that he can only do with Zeus’s Thunderbolt.
@@ColonelGreen "Yeah, imagine that. That'd be crazy.
Think about how much time he'd need to make enough suits for everybody. There's no way he'd be able to-"
"Ironman 3. He had an army of suits."
"Look, I'm just going to need you to get all the way off my back on this."
Sorry, it seemed funny, so I had to.
Okay, but seriously though, the issue is they just pull in a random ability without putting any thought into it.
It's bad script writing. Pulling special powers out of your backside at the 9th hour to save the day is a quick way to make people check out.
And the first question people ask is "Why didn't you do that earlier?"
A good writer would have provided a way for the children to gain his abilities, which explained where this new ability came from, and why it wasn't getting used again.
Why not have the chunks of Mjolnir be the empowering factor. Each kid gets a chunk of the hammer allowing the kids to have the power of Thor to lesser degrees. Have Mjolnir repair itself afterwards to explain why he doesn't do it again.
Now that it's whole once more it can't spread to multiple, and have the "worthy" requirement kick in once more.
Why didn't you use it before? Because before it was broken you had to be worthy.
Why don't you use it after now? Because it's back to one piece and you have the worthy requirement again.
Yeah yeah yeah!
I love the palpable simmering ire of Ryan’s genuine disgust with how the movies choose to “tell, don’t show” and never stop to think about a script’s implications for even a second.
Is it bad I read that as Palpatine at first.
@@idontdovarioustasks somehow palpatine returned
@@asma3318 wait, do we believe this?
th-cam.com/video/4S7cQFOXL_0/w-d-xo.html
Finally it’s here.
@@idontdovarioustasks something something something dark side. Something something something complete!
Don’t get how you can have someone called the “god butcher” in the movie but never show him killing any gods. Was super excited for this movie and was let down. Marvel is kinda taking some steps back this year
Hey he killed one.... lol
Let’s not forget Gorr ends up begging a God like being to kill Gods. I prefer the comics where he used the God bomb
Marvel only = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. There is nothing more there
Kinda like "Multiverse of Madness" yet they only really travelled to 2 universe.
kinda? lmao
This is so far one of your best work, all respect and honor!
This movie is just 2 hours of "Oh, what could have been..."
"This looks so interesting. I love the villain I hope I see more of him. I love how Marvel is finally tackling serious real world issues (after Moon Knight the expectations are high). I love Thor's new look and identity I hope we get to see some crazy fun with him and the Guardians of the Galaxy. I love that we have this great city with all the gods in one place, this would be a good way to showcase Gorr's incredible power. ZEUS?!?! I hope we have some scenes with him demonstrating him fighting Gorr and just being epic (although not necessarily likable)!"
And what we got was just.... "oh..."
Those Marvel writers get paid top dollar to write "oh...". I'm excited to see what this new "Rippaverse" franchise is all about, the best thing going for them right now is they aren't Marvel.
"finally tackling serious real world issues"
Using propaganda techniques to push one side of an issue is how I would have phrased it, but yeah there is a lot of real world issues in there.
@@viperstriker4728 I haven't seen the movie (and probably wont), what are some of the issues they push?
@@viperstriker4728 moon knight did a good job of showcasing Child Abuse and mental health. Cancer is a very real issue too.
Moon knight was mid
You know a movie has issues when even the Pitch Meeting starts to get explicit and even serious about the nature of the problems! There was no sugarcoating this one, it seems!
Everything that made me roll my eyes in the theatre summed up in one video. Perfect.
There was still soooo much more sadly
@@baronsengir187 True that, true that.
I remember how Thor started as kind of a knucklehead. Then over the course of several movies became more savvy, respectable, and ended Ragnarok sitting on the throne; finally wise enough to be king. Then they threw all that development away and make him a joke.
2:41 lol the writer has no answer to this 😂
His plan is convoluted and makes "the god butcher" title less and less relevant
Thor was summoning Mjolnir back from other realms in the Dark World but I assume Stormbreaker isn't as good range wise.
You see Thor was on Odin's family plan back then so he had a premium service provider. But since Odin died, Thor was on his own so he's using a budget service now.
@@loganbigmo he’s no longer using the bifrost network, he switched to monocold
You know how it is with these special items: The higher the damage, the lower the range.
@@loganbigmo bro......
That was fucking great... 🤣🤣🤣
@@adamw.5491 Hilarious !!!! most underrated comment today.
I just realize that the 4 Batman movies from the 90s and the 4 Thor movies from the MCU have a lot in common
The 1st movie (Batman / Thor) was a good introduction to the hero with one of the best movie villains of all time. And the villain falls to his death at the end..
The 2nd movie (Batman Returns / Thor The Dark World) had a much more dark tone with a love story that doesn't work out in the end, and you think the anti villain working with the hero dies but revealed that they survived as the credits role.
The 3rd movie (Batman Forever / Thor Ragnarok) gets a different director and makes the franchise more colorful and comedic, and has a villain that wears green and another with a burned face. And also teams up with someone that is green. Also the death of a father that motivates them to fight.
The 4th movie (Batman and Robin / Thor Love And Thunder) has the same director as the 3rd and takes that comedic tone to another level that it makes the entire movie look like a Saturday morning cartoon and the outfits look more like toys rather than armor. Plus has a female version who suddenly gets the same powers with no training, but able to fight with the suit on. Also villain isn't really a villain but just wanted to find a way to save his love one that later an incident happen that caused his skin color to change but then entrusted the hero at the end to look after the person he loves after he was defeated in battle.
Spot on
underrated comment! you deserve a cookie!
3 and 4th Thor movie were actually good and entertaining.
“We are going to be cruising at a furious JPM!” Love it!!!
I love how felonious producer guy is, such character development.
He should be put in a room for sure
Back in '68 (yes I am old), my best friend in 1st grade was a HUGE Thor fan. We were both "Marvelites", reading the comics & watching Spider-Man, FF, and the Marvel Superhero cartoons back-in-the-day.
Once he mentioned, "If they could do the special effects right, Thor would make a great movie". Hope he lived long enough to see it happen.
Don't know how he'd feel about LOVE & THUNDER , though.
But then it probably wasn't made for him.
Hope he watched the first Thor movie and Infinity War!
The “hey, shut-up” thing is just the best. I hope it never gets old.
Watch the new one
Wish granted. It will never not be hilarious.
i re watched that like 5x
it's so quick you can't ever see it coming. it's great lol
I would much rather watch these than the movies or tv shows they are based on anyway. So much time saved. Thank you.
Been watching more Pitch Meetings than actual Disney films lately, and it more fun, cheaper, and saves a lot of tine
You might say its super easy barely an inconvenience
While I do agree with you, going to the cinema is a past time, going with friends and family is half the experience in my book. I still watch Pitch Meetings to confirm all my cinema sins I tell myself out loud while watching said movies thigh
@@Collect2Disconnect Yah, it was (and so was vacationing in faraway places). For me, we reached a tipping point where CGI action movies got so tired and overwrought (and flying got so degrading) that I'd rather just stay home and watch the Critical Drinker and Ryan George eviscerate the genres I used to have a lot of excitement for.
@@Collect2Disconnect true, cinema is different experience. But for several reasons, one of which is Disney has been putting out too many movies/ shows too fast, I no longer watch everything. I still go to cinema, just less often :)
@@Collect2Disconnect The movies that I watch on Pitch Meetings are the movies I had no plans of watching anyway. I would never spoil Dune or Spiderman for myself, but for everything else Pitch Meetings is the place to go.
Just have to say, there has never been a pitch meeting that hasn't made me laugh. Kudos all around especially picking out plot points and the fun phrases of "super easy" "wow wow wow" and "hey shut up"
Barely an inconvenience has worked it's way into my conversations.
Recognizable catchphrases are tight!
I literally always say the super easy barely an inconvenience everytime he does
“Oh man, all these gods in a place that’s the perfect setup for a Gorr the butcher attack scene!”
“Oh you know it sir… anyway.. instead, we’re gonna have Zeus taking off all of Thor’s disguise clothes and now he’s all naked”
“But why?”
“So we can have fan service for Chris Hemsworth’s fans who want to see his butt!”
“Well okay then”
If they are going to do a nude scene with Thor, then the very least they could do is do a nude scene with a female character in a movie as well. But of course Marvel won't do that.
@@greywolf7577 Because Hemsworth it
The reception would’ve been a lot differently if it was a female hero being nude.
@@nont18411 That's the problem. If a male hero can get nude, a female hero should be able to also. There's no reason for the double standard.
@@Mister_MS.PAC-MAN There are several female Marvel heroes that are worth it as well.
"That didn't happen to Captain America when he wielded Mjolnir."
"Hey, shut up!" 😂
No matter how many times I hear it, the "hey, shutup" always gets me 🤣
"our hero with an army of child soldiers attacks the bad guy😂😂"
Priceless.😂
"Oh no that all happens offscreen." sums it right up for me lol
I was really annoyed we didn't get the scene where Jane grabs onto the newly re-formed Mjolnir and transforms for the first time. I mean it'd have been just like 1-2min of more footage, just show it!
This is my fifth video in a row, I am addicted 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 thank you Ryan for bringing joy 😊 ❤