In looking for higher payload F-150s, you may want to look at a XLT 302A. Mine (5.0, 4x4, super crew, sport package with towing package) says payload is 1,912 lbs.
Tundra payload being “that bad” is all relative but for my purposes it absolutely was a reason I avoided the Toyota. When comparing the F150 to the Tundra in similarly featured trucks (using yellow door jam stickers), the F150 consistently had around 200 lbs more available payload. For me, that’s the difference between being overloaded and within legal specs for my towing purposes, unless I’m going to reduce the size or feature of the truck and/or camper.
@@stevenwray670 Wow, that’s a huge difference! I’m not surprised though. I went with a loaded Powerboost Lariat and still have over 1500 lbs payload. The same non-hybrid F150 would have been around 1700 lbs, and a comparable tundra would be lucky to have 1350. Based on my findings, I’m convinced Toyota doesn’t care about their lower payload because it won’t make a difference to the average Tundra buyer. They’re looking to capture market share, not overtake the big 3 anytime soon.
No one really cares that much. I have seen a Toyota with a Lance truck camper and an F150 with the same Lance truck camper, both overloaded by 1000lbs. No one really cares.
An attendee at a National RV rally recently told me that his Tundra salesman said that the weight of the occupants “doesn’t count” against the payload. 🤪
@@stevenwray670 That's 380 lbs.......... for an RV camper wanting to load up his truck with gear like firewood, gas grills, camp chairs, coolers, RV power cords, etc., that's a big deal and can be a game changer.
Haha don't for get about the weekend warriors picking up drywall or some mulch at home depot. I spend hours every day driving Monday through Friday. 90% of pickup trucks I see hauling nothing in the bed. Except Landscapers or contractors but their trucks have no extend cab or fancy doodads on their trucks. Them some working trucks boys. Most I ever hauled was 800 lbs gun safe, and yes I'm a weekend warrior also! Lol
Thanks for the explanation. Most people get this information wrong. One thing to also consider is your trailer rating is directly effected by how much your trucks payload is. For example, my bumper pull equipment trailer is rated with 20% of the load being on the tow vehicle. Since my trailer has a 14k lb rating, the truck needs to have 2800 lb of capacity (plus me so 3000 total) before I can fully load my trailer. With the tundra the load capacity of that trailer would drop to 6700#. The manufacturers tout towing ability but they don't build their trucks with enough capacity to safely tow at maximum weight. With the tundra tow rating of 11k the trailer would have to be rated with 13% hitch loading before the truck could safely tow 11k. This is not possible it includes nothin else in the truck, also most trailers with 11k capacity are rated with more than 13% on the truck. I'm sure they make this claim with 10% truck loading but that is not the safest way to handle a heavy trailer.
Tim, looked at F150 XLT, 302A, This weekend, that had 1939 lbs payload. 3.5 eco boost. Just for reference. Did not take picture of sticker. My 2017 XLT, 302A, 3.5 eco boost is 1758 lbs Both 4X4s
F150s are hugely variable. I've seen them with over 3000 lbs payload, I've seen them down at 1100 lbs payload. Just looking at the outside you cannot know what it's rated at. I like the simplicity of the Tundra - it may not be great but you know roughly what it will be with a quick look at the exterior.
I have one of the unicorns. My payload is 2450. 2021 F150 super crew 6.5 ft bed XLT with the hd payload package. There were 3 of them in the whole country when I bought it. Drove 6 hours to get it. Perfect half ton truck for towing a mid size travel trailer. They’re out there, you just have to work to find them.
Got my 2022 XLT with HD payload pckg on order. I've currently got a 2019 F150 3.5 Eco with max tow (1835lbs payload). I've been very happy with it towing my large travel trailer (34ft, 10k loaded). However, I'm slightly overloaded on payload and rear axle so I'm stepping up to the 2022. As TIm says, everything adds up. I'll be adding a Propride hitch as well.
@@Pickuptrucktalk did you special order your toyota? could you also have special ordered the max tow in the ford?with almost no rebates, i would special order and get exactly what i wanted.
@@Pickuptrucktalk found closest dealer has 8 trucks on their lot and 3 has max tow option . i guess unicorns are not that rare any more. and by the way one was a lariat.
So, I just bought a 2022 Limited Double Cab TRD Offroad package 4wd Tundra. Sticker says 1490 lb payload less 45 lb on yellow sticker. Decided to weigh the truck empty with full fuel tank. Curb weight 5660 lb. GVWR is 7310 lb whichs yields an actual payload of 1650 lb. Seems Toyota uses only a few versions of the payload sticker and any specific vehicle may differ substantially.
I just purchased a 2022 F150 XLT 4x4 SuperCrew 2.7 eco boost with the payload package. My payload is 1839 lbs. I was very lucky to get exactly what I wanted, since I did not order the truck. The customer who ordered it changed his mind when the truck arrived. I grabbed it the same day. Being at the right place at the right time. Whew !!!..... I totally love the truck...W.N.
Great information Tim and Jill. It is misleading the way truck manufacturers talk about max payload with the 1/2 ton trucks but as you guys pointed out they reality is a lot different. The fact that the relatively small Maverick has more payload than many of the 1/2 ton trucks would be a big surprise to many. I think the auto industry should be held more accountable and made disclose more information about how payload changes as you add more packages, accessories, essentially more weight to the truck starting with "build configurators" on manufacturer's websites and in dealerships and in any advertising of the vehicle.
Some great info here, great job Jill and Tim for easily explaining it. Towing and payload can get next level, so well done for keeping it short and simple. As far as trucks go, I think Toyota made an uncharacteristic misstep with this gen Tundra. My 2022 F150 4x4 XLT with the 3.5 and max towing has a payload of 1,728. That's 400 pounds higher than a comparative Tundra. Add into it that I get around 24mpg, have comparable or even better features (internal and zone lighting at the top of that list), plus a proven engine, the extra few thousand for my truck just makes sense in my opinion. Especially with the wastegate and other issues the new Tundra's are having. However, all that said, since most buyers don't use their trucks as actual trucks, the Tundra's payload isn't terrible and will get the job done for most buyers.
I have a 2021 Ford F-150 XLT 3.5eb crew cab 4x4 with max tow and my payload is 1778lbs. I had a 2018 Ford F-150 with the 2.7 it was also a crew cab 4x4 but payload was only 1323lbs. I agree with Tim it’s very hard to find large payload numbers on a half ton truck. I’ve found it rare to find a payload over 1800lbs on most half tons.
The sticker on my ‘15 F-150 XL super cab 5.0 4wd is 2070lbs. It’s a non-max payload package, so just minimal options helping keep that payload figure up.
Also keep in mind, 2 wheel drive tundra or ford or any vehicle manufacturer will always have more payload and towing than a four wheel drive of the same model. That is one important thing I didnt hear mention in this video, great information still. Toyota made some big changes but the payload numbers still arent a big leap from the outgoing tundra.
I weighed a 2022 4x4 SR5 DC 6.5' with only 1/4 tank of fuel, just the truck 5440lbs . Options: 32.2 gal tank, Softex seats, 14" display, tonneau cover, spray in bedliner. 1500lb - 96lb = 1404 payload sticker rating. GVWR = 7265lbs. Curb weight with full tank should be 5440+160lbs = ~5600lbs full of fuel 7265 - 5600lbs = actual payload of ~1665lbs as equipped
My tough looking 4runner has payload of 880 lbs, with family of 5 we barely make it under payload limit with lightly packed camping gears. Meanwhile though Toyota website says 1600lbs payload.
@@FrameRot this right here is so true, EVERY OVERLANDER is guaranteed to be over payload capacity. If I was an insurance agent I would be happy to point that out if I see a vehicle over payload then deny payment
@@FrameRot for the likes and views on social media and sponsors and shit, I have not seen 1 overlander address that issue or admit that they’re over payload.
My titan xd diesel has a low payload. Even exceeding the payload it doesnt squat. I had 1500lbs of salt gel in the back and it only leveled the truck, the 2014 F250 I had before squatted nig time with the same load. Crazy that a truck with a 3/4 ton frame, transmission and 3.92 rear end would be rated so low. Im thinking Nissan purposely did this so people wouldn't compare it to a 3/4 ton. The truck does weigh between 7300 and 7400lbs though which is alot more than a half ton, but its also built to handle it. It pulls and tows with way more stability than any half ton I've used, and I've towed with them all. Having the stability of a 3/4 ton but a better ride is really what keeps me from selling it amd getting a 3/4 ton. That and the seats are far better than any other truck I've driven from the big 3. Love it but hate how under rated it is.
The yellow sticker in the Toyota Tundra door jam is the real payload number for the truck as it accounts for the accessories added to that particular truck. So if the payload is 1345 lbs. and the truck comes with a spray in bed liner and tonneau cover the new adjusted payload would be on the yellow sticker and it would be 1345 lbs. minus what ever those accessories weigh.
2024 XD pro4x loaded with just about everything you can get (pano roof, power heated/ventilated seats, side steps, etc). Curb weight 6900, GVWR 8730.... 1830 payload. Of course this truck is considered a 5/8 truck but I see it as a half ton still. I'd say great value and great specs.
My 2019 F150 Crewcab 2wd has a 2182lb payload, also have a 2017 Ram Rebel Crewcab 1072lb payload, but put 5000 pounds or more behind the Ford and the trans smells like its melting
I'll keep my 2020 F350 6.7 turbo diesel quad cab 4x4. Can haul and tow anything I throw at it. I had a pallet of 80lb bags of concrete while towing a 30' utility trailer with a skidsteer on it with no problem. Same with my 33' travel trailer with the bed full of gear and firewood.
1300 whatever pounds of payload capacity has been pretty normal for a 1/2 ton full-sized truck - with 4x4 - plus front and rear seats in the cab. That elusive HD payload package you mentioned may only be available on a regular cab XL with an 8 foot bed.
@@johannesgrimm9911 Yep, as long as it’s the longest bed option. Supercab 8’ or super crew 6.5’. Not available on short beds. I believe in Canada you could get it a trim level higher than in US. Not sure if still the case
No 1300lbs is not normal. You'll rarely find any other brand of truck in the mid range trims under 1600lbs of payload. Only Top trim trucks are 12-1300lbs. My LT Trailboss is 1700lbs.
I think another thing is that Toyota refuses to acknowledge what the consumer has known for years now. The F150 is the Tundra's direct competitor. I love Toyota, I own 3. But now, Toyota builds a damn near bullet proof pretty boy/Dr.s truck....towing jet ski's around. It doesn't understand that just like cell phones, tech and what you can actually do with it are what sales are about now. And just like cell phones, many folks never hold on to them forever, they trade them in for something new every 5-7 years. You take a Limited Hybrid Tundra and a Lariat Powerboost F150 and equip both relatively the same option wise. The Ford gets better MPG. The Ford has more interior space. The Ford has tow hooks. The Ford has slightly better cargo and towing. The Ford does all this and for only 7hp and 13ftlb's of torque less than the Toyota....albeit it costs more. Toyota is shoved so far up their ass with this Tundra in thinking that "their mentality was to sacrifice MPG for performance". Tell me the name of any customer that wouldn't take their TT V6 re-tuned to get equal MPG to the Ford for just a bit less power? Toyota has simply failed with the roll out of this power plant.....as much as it kills me to say it. Oh yeah, the Ford has that massive inverter generator option too...for $750 more for 7,200 watts VS the 400watts on the Tundra. Hell, the Toyota minivan at least has a 1500watt one!!! So, in the end game, if reliability isn't the name of the game as much any more, why wouldn't someone go with the Ford.....especially travel trailer owners? Toyota built the best useless truck they could. With that Ford, people have CLEARLY demonstrated that they will pay to get a bit more usefulness out of their truck. Toyota could make a bit more by doing the same. You may not lead the pack....but AT LEAST keep up with it.
What about the Toyota " unicorn " model ? The SR double cab with the detuned engine has the most payload of 1800 lbs but the lowest towing in any trim of the Tundra..but also the highest mpg too..Intended as a work truck model..no mention of of it..
@@Pickuptrucktalk Its still worth a quick mention since you did mention Fords " unicorn " model that was not there as well..fair is fair..it would have informed your viewers of what Toyota also has available currently too..
@@agentcovert Sure, fair criticism. I'm heading to the work truck show in April. Hoping I can find some more trucks with higher payloads. BTW, every manufacturer is in the same boat with inventory. My local Ford dealer hasn't had a new F-150 on the lot in months. Everything pre-sold before it comes in.
Just keep beating the drum, friend. Because it's going to be forever before most people even care to understand that payload does not mean what you can haul in the bed alone regardless of everything else you have in the truck or the tongue weight of the trailer. I know more than a few self proclaimed "truck" guys who refuse to believe this even when it's on very obvious display. With one saying, "well yeah that sticker tells you how much you can haul in the bed but that ain't the same as all you can haul." Never opened his owners manual to find out otherwise and never will.
Toyota has been way under rating their payload since 2010 when the standards changed. Funny thing is they were the only truck company that decreased their max tow ratings and payload ratings. The others kept the same or increased, and I guarantee it's not because they actually made the trucks tougher. I would bet the Toyota could actually safely handle the most payload of the half tons
Exactly. I’d like to see a comparison of say a comparable 2022 F-150 maxed out payload and a 2022 Tundra say “overloaded” by 200 lbs with that same weight and measure squat and compare how they drive and handle the load.
My 2020 F150 XLT has max tow but not max payload package and payload is around 1860. Ford having 3 different frame thicknesses changes what they can do for payload also. Regular, MaxTow and HDPP each have different thickness frames.
@@EngineeringGoneWrong I’ve put the link in 4 times where Tim from PickupTruckssndSuvs is talking about it and it gets deleted each time. The thickness range is .087 to .11.
Another great video Tim & Jill. Thank you. What I'd like to know is how Toyota can legally advertise a maximum payload of 1940 lbs for the 2022 Tundra then not manufacturer a model with a payload even close to that. The highest listed in their manual is 1580 lbs for an SR DC 2WD 8' bed. What gives?
@@Pickuptrucktalk Agreed! To add to the confusion, at least one forum member on Tundras dot com actually weighed his new 2022 properly and determined that his actual payload is almost 300 lbs more than what his door jam sticker states! We checked his math. Have you noticed that Toyota uses different terminology depending on where the spec is shown? The manual uses the term Vehicle Capacity Weight (and contains the lower amounts). The vehicle ordering guide uses Payload (and contains the higher amounts). That door jam sticker doesn't use either term but the amounts appear to match those in the manual.. I believe that all of these terms have different definitions, meaning that the conditions under which they were determined is different. All I care about is GVWR, and GCVWR (since I plan to tow), so just give me those numbers and the curb weight and let me do the math myself. It would be nice to know what the actual payload would be for a Tundra I want to order. Maybe you could request some further clarification from your contacts at Toyota?
@@Mattedfred they underrated the payload ratings. They pretty much implied when he talked to Mike Sweers it can handle more. The legal department likely had a hand in the rating.
@@christopherwaits7852 Except that payload isn't a rating. Payload = GVWR - empty curb weight. And, that doesn't change the fact that the amounts in the manual differ significantly from the amounts in the vehicle order guide.
A big reason the math doesn’t match up with trucks and a lot of areas would be because of the legal department Most trucks can handle much more than the numbers show
That's why you see jabronis hauling an 8K or even 10K trailer with a Raptor that is loaded down with a bed of stuff and a family of 4. It's the wrong vehicle, but you look cool riding your bump stops going up the pass.
I've owned 2 F150's with the heavy duty payload package, 2011 and my current 2015. They also both had the Max Tow package, for 2015 the Max Tow package came with the heavy duty payload package. My 2015 has a payload of 1780lbs. It's a crew cab XLT short bed, max tow with the sport interior package and towing mirrors. It's very hard to find F150's with Max Tow and towing mirrors, I had to order mine.
Does the tundra have max tow package? Can we compare to the F-150 with max tow and the 7000+ GVWR package? These are everywhere here in Texas, I wouldn’t consider unicorns and their payload is way higher than the tundra…
Yes, Toyota has a max tow package. Unfortunately, we showed every truck at the show from both of these booths. There just isn't a lot of trucks at these shows right now with supply so tight.
Interesting, it would be nice to compare these packages between brands, it might further show even more similarities between both manufacturers. I read somewhere that Ford’s 7000+ GVWR package has a thicker frame too, not sure if this is true or not… I learn something new about these trucks everyday lol Thanks your answering these questions for us!
the big issue with the tundra is you cannot option it to achieve a payload over 2000 lbs. the unicorn ford is a f-150 with the 3k+ payload. Any 3.5 or 5.0 truck has an uprated payload. The 5.0 I bought has a door sticker payload of 2150 and these trucks are not impossible to find. All you have to do is look at the ford literature to determine which options to look for. You won’t find a f-150 with a 3k pound payload options, you definitely will find one with the 2k pound range if you know what you are looking for
Thanks for focusing on payload. Whenever I see impending towing disasters they are overwhelmingly due to either payload or excessive trailer length. Just because you have a bed doesn’t mean you can throw your atv back there when you tow.
Great info! My 2020 Ram 1500 Classic Tradesman Extended cab 2wd 5.7 hemi has a payload of 1781 lbs. 4wd is a tradeoff too when it comes to hauling and towing.
I just ran out and checked the payload on my door sticker to my 2020 GMC Sierra AT4 Offroad with the 5.3L V-8. Tow is 9,800, payload 1,532. Better than the Toyota and the Ford.
It’s unfortunate. I have a 2022 tundra and am underwhelmed with payload as I wanted to purchase a truck camper. There are very few 1/2 ton rated campers that will actually work. I’d even be happy with 2000lbs and it’s a double cab not the full cab
I think we're missing a very important issue here. Look, the 1794 has 1310 pounds. But it's not the Hybrid....which that Ford Limited Powerboost was. So, The question now is how much more weight will be knocked off for that same 1794 tundra when you add the hybrid components? The capstone has the heavier acoustic glass, but I would argue that it's pretty close to what a 1794 would be in terms of build and quality. Supposedly, Toyota allows for a higher GVWR for the hybrids.. So why for the non hybrids don't they just build the truck with that same higher GVWR and since it doesn't have the electrical components of the hybrid, they would benefit from a higher cargo capacity? I bet you it's because of the fact that the hybrid's MPG boost was so miniscule that they wanted to give people a reason to buy the hybrid and not just stick with the non hybrids. If the non hybrid actually had higher cargo capacities then their hybrid brother, many folks would sacrifice the extra power of the hybrid for the higher cargo payload of the non hybrid, especially since Toyota doesn't sweeten the deal with the Hybrid by offering a 7-8kW inverter generator.
@@numedeutilizator9868 I'm saying that if it's true that the Hybrids are alloted a higher GVWR, then it makes no sense why the non hybrids don't have a higher cargo capacity since they don't have all the extra equipment. The other bit I mentioned as a plausible theory for it...all about sales. But I have no proof to confirm or deny that.
Good point, but inexplicably, Tundra jams the GVWR way up on the Hybrids so they can have around the same payload as the non-hybrids. One good take away is that probably means the frame on the non-hybrid isn't being taxed.
@@archive.garage how can toyota just hike increase the GVWR on hybrid models?! Are the trucks physically more capable of handling additional payload? Probably not. I would agree that non-hybrids payload numbers are being de-rated, for multiple reasons. Very sneaky of Toyotas part.
@@archive.garage right, and since the hybrid mpg increase is so miniscule and offers nothing else to consumers other than a power increase, they prob didn't want the non hybrid out selling the hybrid because of it. It's all about the dollars!
Fun topic Tim and Jill. I know that with F150, if you go XLT, and MaxTow with the 3.5 or 5.0 you can get beefier springs and 9.75 gears. This seems to be a combo that gets 1600-1800lbs IRL. Mine has 1768. Agree the 2000+ numbers are unicorn HDPP trucks. I have been to a couple Toyota dealerships and have been disappointed by the low numbers (~1500) even on SR5s. I guess I just don’t know the right combo to get higher numbers on the Tundra.
If you were pushing those payload numbers on any truck, especially if you’re towing, you should not even be looking at a half ton Half tons or a compromise because they can do a lot of things good versus a three-quarter ton that can do a few things very well Get the right tool for the job
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The f250 tremor diesel took me by surprise thst it had a payload of 2700, I have seen that in f350 version of itaround that number usually F250 around 2200. Was there a camper package on that truck?
You mentioned that any factory option you add, I.e. sunroof, power seats, etc. needs to be included in your payload, however, I believe any option included at point of sale is already factored into the payload sticker- any after market accessory, I.e. truck cap/topper, tonneau cover, etc. needs to be added to payload, but factory options are already part of the calculation. Am
Correct. I was pointing that as you add options to your build, the payload goes down. A lot of buyers look at the maximum payload advertised and then are shocked to discover their truck doesn't match that payload number.
You ever check out the Chevrolet Blazer, GMC Acadia and other similar vehicles in the line-up for payload? Blazer has a payload of over 1500 lbs, Acadia the same and you still get pick-up payloads in the Traverse and Enclave. Most people don't look at the yellow sticker and so don't know what they are getting. Tacoma's have less than 1,000 lbs for example. I saw a video where a Ranger bottomed out with just over 1,000 lbs of weight (three big guys in the bed) though the sticker showed almost 1,600 lbs. So it is important to talk to somebody in the business that knows what they are talking about. Great video.
just got a 22 F-150 xlt 302A crewmax with 3.5 ecoboost and pano roof, 1669 lbs payload. Tundra I liked was 1395 wo the roof, TRD Sport sr5. That 274 lbs covers me and my kid, I tow a 30 ft TT about 7500 GVWR. With family, little bit of gear in back I am about 50 lbs under at the scales. Love Toyota, but it cant tow more than a 5k GVWR trailer plain and simple
I wish they had single cab short bed or long bed cause those cab configured trucks can haul even more since it doesn’t have a back seat. That is pretty much why the crew cab trucks have low payload numbers. The lighter the truck the higher payload capacity.
@@Randomgamer-tk2zj They're rotated out of service about every 5 years; but keep in mind they're work trucks. They're pounded day in and day out in an open pit mine. Most of them are about 5 years old but one of them is nicknamed Henry and I think he's close to 10 yrs old. Great plow truck.
Payload is what so many people overlook when selecting the travel trailer that they are going to tow with their new trucks. Good examples and discussion here, folks!
I have the Ford website open in another window. With 6.5 ft bed, the XLT w/Supercrew & 4x4, can be had (ordered?) with load capacity of 2640# IF you don't load up on options. Regular cab, same config but 8 ft bed, can reach over 3000# and over 3300# if 4x2. It depends on what you want/need. Your vid sheds some needed light on load capacity.
The Unicorn isn’t that difficult to find. Not any harder than just about any popular Ford right now lol. Several neighbors have the heavy pay load F150’s for camper use. They actually get a number of different things besides suspension. The frames are different, the fuel tank is bigger, different rear differential etc. As one neighbor put it He needed the payload of a 250 but wanted the ride quality and size of the F150. The heavy load pack isn’t that difficult to find. I bet the loaded Sequoia is far shorter on payload than the loaded Expedition both of those are basically wagon versions of the 1/2 ton trucks.
The last F150 you looked was an FX4, it’s heavier than the STX 4x4. My 2021 F150 STX super crew cab 4x4 with the 5.0 has a total max cargo weight limit of 2005 pounds on the data sticker. It’s max factory tongue weight is 500 pounds, Ford recommends a weight distribution hitch if that needs to be exceeded. Good video, keep them coming.
I think the max payload would likely be one with the highest gvwr in a base 2wd regular cab package. I'm just guessing though. I think the 4wd systems in the ones you showed are probably adding a lot of weight.
Not really a unicorn, you’re just looking in the wrong place for the wrong truck. Pretty much any manufacture will have the highest payload for their base level, standard cab 2wd truck. Generally, you won’t find those trucks at an auto show because they’re not fancy enough to show off. Still a good video for informing people of what to look for when shopping for a truck.
On Fords, the Maximum payload for a regular cab 2 wheel drive with HDPP is 3325 lbs, maximum payload for a SuperCrew 2 wheel drive with HDPP is 2900 lbs. When it comes to payload and towing, every manufacturer has an asterisk by their number, so quick picking on Ford
Yep. They all do it. But how easy is it to find a truck with the max payload? That was the point of the video. One of the commenters above mentioned he has one such unicorn, and it was ONE of THREE made that year. That's out of nearly 1M vehicles sold ...
Thanks for shedding light on this. This vital info should be included in the online configurators. Are we just supposed to order a truck and then find out what the payload is when the truck is delivered in 6 months? I tried asking Ford for the estimated payload on a configuration. They referred me to a dealer, who had no interest or ability to figure it out. (2018 F150, Lariat Special Edition, FX4… payload: 1513 lbs.)
Absolutely amazing video!!! This should be recommended viewing for all pickup trucks buyers that plan to haul and/or tow with their trucks. I love talking trucks. I love truck research. My next tow vehicle for our Casita travel trailer (2,900 lbs loaded) will be a pickup (currently tow with 2009 Kia Borrego V8 mid-size SUV (rated to tow 7,500 lbs, but only 1,157 lbs of payload). My anecdotal experience in talking to pickup truck owners is that only about 6 in 10 can tell me definitively what their truck can tow and only 2 in 10 can tell me what their payload is (and the sticker is on the door frame). Many truck owners drive trucks as a means of transportation and not a as tool to tow and/or haul. But, even for those that do use their trucks as a tool, payload is the #1 overlooked variable regarding a truck’s capability. Thanks again for a fantastic video!!!
Umm, am I missing something here. How can the SR5 payload be so close to the Capstone payload? Only off by 50lbs. Doesn’t the Capstone battery and hybrid components eat into its payload number? I like to know, what wizardry has been done here.
@@sledforpeace that's exactly why payload figures seem so arbitrary to me, and I think why most people shouldnt put too much weight into them (pun intended).
@@sledforpeace hahaha, what is this payload magic ? I’d love to know? Another user suggested that Toyota is de-rating the non-hybrids in an attempt to upsell more hybrid models . Seems plausible…
Someone here mentioned that the new composite bed could be the limiting factor when it comes to payload. That could explain why payload rating across the whole lineup are so close.Thoughts?
My Toyota Sienna has more payload than half of those trucks. Great point made that payload is going to impact your actual towing ability, and that most of these trucks can't actually tow what they're rated for, or even close to it.
Why? It's supply and demand. I personally have 11 of what you call unicorns on our farm and at the quarry. What's the big deal? You think they just make a couple to make their statement true? You can order as many as you want. Our regular cab, 8' box F150 with the 152" wheelbase stay on the construction site and at the quarry with the exception of an odd trip into town. They're work trucks.
Because there was no 2100# example on the Ford display/showroom floor does NOT mean that it is somehow fiction. You seem to imply that, and create doubt in people's minds. If you need more payload, order the payload package. I've had three Ford pickups in my lifetime. I ordered the payload package on all of them. No big deal. I also search out/buy load-rated tires, that actually were not OEM, but aftermarket tires, to be sure I could meet/exceed the payload rating. I was towing a single-vehicle size tandem axle hauling trailer with my F-250, with full-size pickups on it. No problem. But my F-250 is NOT a 4-door pickup, because that adds vehicle weight/reduces payload, and it isn't a diesel either. Don't need a diesel to do this. BTW, that Maverick was impressive!
Payload Math 101. Great video. I bet the standard F-150 2 wheel drive regular cab basic truck (might) get close to 2100LBS. That truck must be out there somewhere or you would think someone would sue Ford for false advertising.. Maybe the driver has to weigh 75 lbs to meet that spek..Make sure you stop off at the restroom, drop that load and drain the tank before you get in…
I just checked out an xlt supercrew 4x4 with a max payload of 2039lbs...id say that's quite a bit better than a measly 1400 from Toyota. Also Toyota's website claims much higher payloads than actual
You probably only find that payload in a regular cab long bed f150. So yes Ford makes a 2100# payload truck but in a model that families wouldn’t buy. It’s pretty much deceptive advertising by Ford. The fact is that most half ton pickups will be in that 1300 to 1600# payload range. That Ford Maverick has crazy payload for a compact truck. No way would I try to haul that much weight! The max tow ratings for half ton pickups are way overinflated for the towing and cargo that most families are going to use it for. Again, it’s deceptive advertising. Half ton trucks are probably engineered to ride nice more than they are for towing and hauling. It’s probably a good idea to add rear suspension enhancements such as air bags or Timbren springs if you’re towing and hauling a lot.
Easy tiger, it's not deceptive advertising at all. Not everyone tows a jet ski or snowmobiles around and wants an everyday 4 door truck. Regular cab, 8' bed trucks are very common plance in rural farming areas and on construction sites. That's our bread and butter truck for our farm and quarry. Toyota doesn't offer a truck in this configuration so it's quite legitimate for Ford to advertise and espouse their payload ratings vs other manufacturers. Again, it is not deceptive advertising at all.
@@cwqrpportable excellent points. Absolutely right. It would be deceptive if Ford didn't offer that configuration. You think Toyota would let them get away with it otherwise? If Toyota offered that option, don't u think they'd bring that up? Fact is, u can get a Ford with that capacity, not deceptive, it's the truth.
@@Marco-fi6gv It's fairly obvious and for the sake of accuracy I think Jill should do a folowup to state the facts; might be a learning experience for her.
@@cwqrpportable I agree that many of these trucks are used for commercial and agricultural purposes. These people are usually aware of a trucks limitations and buy accordingly. The f150 is the best selling vehicle in the the US. The vast majority are sold to families. Many of these families are going to want to tow something. They hear max towing capacity of 12,500 pounds and think they can really tow a trailer of that weight safely. The payload of these trucks are 1500 pounds give or take a couple hundred. The tongue weight of bumper pull trailer is between 10 and 15%. They buy a 10,000 pound trailer because the the truck can tow 12,500 pound so they’re safe. Well they’re not. The trailer tongue weight has taken up most if not all of the payload capacity. Load family and all the gear that goes along with RV camping and you’re overweight and are at increased risk. Ford attaches these inflated tow capacities to their trucks to sell more trucks. There will be a disclaimer in fine print somewhere but they sure don’t make it prominent. It is deceptive advertising!
@@markreams3192 No it isn't deceptive advertising, at all. . Not any more than any other manufacturer's advertising. One of the big problems is sales people (both truck and RV) who don't have the proper knowledge and it applies to all manufacturers. Anyone who buys a truck for towing needs to seek out good advice; it doesn't matter if they're purchasing a Silverado or a Ram or an F150. My youngest brother educated himself with all the literature available on line from Ford and it really wasn't that hard to arrive at what he needed to buy. I think you underestimate people and exaggerate the problem. There's far more safety concerns regarding the KIA sales person who sells a Sportage to tow a 5000 lb GVWR RV than what occurs with trucks. Most people who tow more than they should with their truck are just stubborn and pigheaded. Btw, the median age for an F150 buyer is slightly older than for the majority of light truck buyers. The median age for most light truck buyers is a male of 55 yrs; F150 buyers are slightly older at 56. Not that it really matters, but just for the sake of accuracy, most 56 yr old men have their kiddies raised by that time.
Fantastic info, thank you 💪 you two are a great team
Thank you.
In looking for higher payload F-150s, you may want to look at a XLT 302A. Mine (5.0, 4x4, super crew, sport package with towing package) says payload is 1,912 lbs.
Mine is SuperCrew with a 6.5' bed and payload is 1881.
2023 XLT 4x4 crew cab 5.0 1988lbs
Tundra payload being “that bad” is all relative but for my purposes it absolutely was a reason I avoided the Toyota. When comparing the F150 to the Tundra in similarly featured trucks (using yellow door jam stickers), the F150 consistently had around 200 lbs more available payload. For me, that’s the difference between being overloaded and within legal specs for my towing purposes, unless I’m going to reduce the size or feature of the truck and/or camper.
I just made this decision. Went w F150 that has a door sticker of 1830, similar spec Tundras I saw were about 1450
@@stevenwray670 Wow, that’s a huge difference! I’m not surprised though. I went with a loaded Powerboost Lariat and still have over 1500 lbs payload. The same non-hybrid F150 would have been around 1700 lbs, and a comparable tundra would be lucky to have 1350. Based on my findings, I’m convinced Toyota doesn’t care about their lower payload because it won’t make a difference to the average Tundra buyer. They’re looking to capture market share, not overtake the big 3 anytime soon.
No one really cares that much. I have seen a Toyota with a Lance truck camper and an F150 with the same Lance truck camper, both overloaded by 1000lbs. No one really cares.
An attendee at a National RV rally recently told me that his Tundra salesman said that the weight of the occupants “doesn’t count” against the payload. 🤪
@@stevenwray670 That's 380 lbs.......... for an RV camper wanting to load up his truck with gear like firewood, gas grills, camp chairs, coolers, RV power cords, etc., that's a big deal and can be a game changer.
Everyone beating their chest about their payload but then 99% of these halftons only haul groceries.
Maybe in the city sir
Haha don't for get about the weekend warriors picking up drywall or some mulch at home depot. I spend hours every day driving Monday through Friday. 90% of pickup trucks I see hauling nothing in the bed. Except Landscapers or contractors but their trucks have no extend cab or fancy doodads on their trucks. Them some working trucks boys. Most I ever hauled was 800 lbs gun safe, and yes I'm a weekend warrior also! Lol
Thanks for the explanation. Most people get this information wrong. One thing to also consider is your trailer rating is directly effected by how much your trucks payload is. For example, my bumper pull equipment trailer is rated with 20% of the load being on the tow vehicle. Since my trailer has a 14k lb rating, the truck needs to have 2800 lb of capacity (plus me so 3000 total) before I can fully load my trailer. With the tundra the load capacity of that trailer would drop to 6700#. The manufacturers tout towing ability but they don't build their trucks with enough capacity to safely tow at maximum weight. With the tundra tow rating of 11k the trailer would have to be rated with 13% hitch loading before the truck could safely tow 11k. This is not possible it includes nothin else in the truck, also most trailers with 11k capacity are rated with more than 13% on the truck. I'm sure they make this claim with 10% truck loading but that is not the safest way to handle a heavy trailer.
Tim, looked at F150 XLT, 302A, This weekend, that had 1939 lbs payload. 3.5 eco boost. Just for reference. Did not take picture of sticker. My 2017 XLT, 302A, 3.5 eco boost is 1758 lbs
Both 4X4s
F150s are hugely variable. I've seen them with over 3000 lbs payload, I've seen them down at 1100 lbs payload. Just looking at the outside you cannot know what it's rated at. I like the simplicity of the Tundra - it may not be great but you know roughly what it will be with a quick look at the exterior.
@@belanger9 Lmao
I have the same truck as you except it's a 2018 and my payload is 1732 lbs, so basically the same
I have one of the unicorns. My payload is 2450. 2021 F150 super crew 6.5 ft bed XLT with the hd payload package. There were 3 of them in the whole country when I bought it. Drove 6 hours to get it. Perfect half ton truck for towing a mid size travel trailer. They’re out there, you just have to work to find them.
Got my 2022 XLT with HD payload pckg on order. I've currently got a 2019 F150 3.5 Eco with max tow (1835lbs payload). I've been very happy with it towing my large travel trailer (34ft, 10k loaded). However, I'm slightly overloaded on payload and rear axle so I'm stepping up to the 2022. As TIm says, everything adds up. I'll be adding a Propride hitch as well.
I think you make my point with 3 of them in the country. :)
people can special order , just have to wait a couple of months
@@Pickuptrucktalk did you special order your toyota? could you also have special ordered the max tow in the ford?with almost no rebates, i would special order and get exactly what i wanted.
@@Pickuptrucktalk found closest dealer has 8 trucks on their lot and 3 has max tow option . i guess unicorns are not that rare any more.
and by the way one was a lariat.
So, I just bought a 2022 Limited Double Cab TRD Offroad package 4wd Tundra. Sticker says 1490 lb payload less 45 lb on yellow sticker. Decided to weigh the truck empty with full fuel tank. Curb weight 5660 lb. GVWR is 7310 lb whichs yields an actual payload of 1650 lb. Seems Toyota uses only a few versions of the payload sticker and any specific vehicle may differ substantially.
WOW. I had a 1990 Mazda B2200 that had a payload of 1440 lbs. . Tundra needs to improve it's payload .
I just purchased a 2022 F150 XLT 4x4 SuperCrew 2.7 eco boost with the payload package. My payload is 1839 lbs. I was very lucky to get exactly what I wanted, since I did not order the truck. The customer who ordered it changed his mind when the truck arrived. I grabbed it the same day. Being at the right place at the right time. Whew !!!..... I totally love the truck...W.N.
Great information Tim and Jill. It is misleading the way truck manufacturers talk about max payload with the 1/2 ton trucks but as you guys pointed out they reality is a lot different. The fact that the relatively small Maverick has more payload than many of the 1/2 ton trucks would be a big surprise to many. I think the auto industry should be held more accountable and made disclose more information about how payload changes as you add more packages, accessories, essentially more weight to the truck starting with "build configurators" on manufacturer's websites and in dealerships and in any advertising of the vehicle.
Add in that there is no standard on how manufacturers calculate GVWR and payload ratings truly aren't that comparable from brand to brand.
The hilux is smaller than the tundra can still carry more than the tundra.
To many just see what’s advertised and don’t take everything into consideration like this. Great video
Some great info here, great job Jill and Tim for easily explaining it. Towing and payload can get next level, so well done for keeping it short and simple. As far as trucks go, I think Toyota made an uncharacteristic misstep with this gen Tundra. My 2022 F150 4x4 XLT with the 3.5 and max towing has a payload of 1,728. That's 400 pounds higher than a comparative Tundra. Add into it that I get around 24mpg, have comparable or even better features (internal and zone lighting at the top of that list), plus a proven engine, the extra few thousand for my truck just makes sense in my opinion. Especially with the wastegate and other issues the new Tundra's are having. However, all that said, since most buyers don't use their trucks as actual trucks, the Tundra's payload isn't terrible and will get the job done for most buyers.
My understanding is that the tundra also offers a max towing package which is not included in any of the tundras in the video
@@SomethingSomething1337 Yeah, the unicorn truck
Spot on Pat!
Truth! You're right on target with all your points!🎯
I have a 2021 Ford F-150 XLT 3.5eb crew cab 4x4 with max tow and my payload is 1778lbs.
I had a 2018 Ford F-150 with the 2.7 it was also a crew cab 4x4 but payload was only 1323lbs.
I agree with Tim it’s very hard to find large payload numbers on a half ton truck.
I’ve found it rare to find a payload over 1800lbs on most half tons.
@Rick that has to be one of these unicorn trucks from 2014 Tim was talking about.
The sticker on my ‘15 F-150 XL super cab 5.0 4wd is 2070lbs. It’s a non-max payload package, so just minimal options helping keep that payload figure up.
@Rick it doesn’t have either according to the Monroney sticker and observation of the rear diff (super 8.8 and not the larger 9.75” housing).
@Rick
Curious, what is the XTR package? Just saw one recently and wondered. Thanks
Also keep in mind, 2 wheel drive tundra or ford or any vehicle manufacturer will always have more payload and towing than a four wheel drive of the same model. That is one important thing I didnt hear mention in this video, great information still. Toyota made some big changes but the payload numbers still arent a big leap from the outgoing tundra.
The “unicorn” is a reg cab f-150, base model work truck with a 8’ bed.
Thank you Tim for keep explaining the payload. Finally I understand the why my new 2022 Tundra SR5 TRD Sports payload is 1395 lb
I weighed a 2022 4x4 SR5 DC 6.5' with only 1/4 tank of fuel, just the truck 5440lbs
. Options: 32.2 gal tank, Softex seats, 14" display, tonneau cover, spray in bedliner.
1500lb - 96lb = 1404 payload sticker rating. GVWR = 7265lbs.
Curb weight with full tank should be 5440+160lbs = ~5600lbs full of fuel
7265 - 5600lbs = actual payload of ~1665lbs as equipped
Why is Toyota understating their payload? I’ve seen others do the same thing with similar results.
@@scottwilkinson548 This was an SR5 so maybe higher trim levels are closer to sticker, or maybe its safety factor
My 2001 Dakota Crewcab, 4x4 had a 1450 lb. capacity. Each year, pickups seem to be more like rolling smart phones and posers at everything else.
My tough looking 4runner has payload of 880 lbs, with family of 5 we barely make it under payload limit with lightly packed camping gears. Meanwhile though Toyota website says 1600lbs payload.
A lot of people don't even care about payload. You see those crazy overland builds?
@@FrameRot this right here is so true, EVERY OVERLANDER is guaranteed to be over payload capacity. If I was an insurance agent I would be happy to point that out if I see a vehicle over payload then deny payment
@@fouUili684 lol finally someone else who recognizes this! How are people doing this?
@@FrameRot for the likes and views on social media and sponsors and shit, I have not seen 1 overlander address that issue or admit that they’re over payload.
@@fouUili684 agree 😂. Lol payload is why my next truck is a 3/4 ton.
Nice video, exact reason why I upgraded to a 3/4 ton gasser. Diesel loses close to 500lbs of payload.
My titan xd diesel has a low payload. Even exceeding the payload it doesnt squat. I had 1500lbs of salt gel in the back and it only leveled the truck, the 2014 F250 I had before squatted nig time with the same load. Crazy that a truck with a 3/4 ton frame, transmission and 3.92 rear end would be rated so low. Im thinking Nissan purposely did this so people wouldn't compare it to a 3/4 ton. The truck does weigh between 7300 and 7400lbs though which is alot more than a half ton, but its also built to handle it. It pulls and tows with way more stability than any half ton I've used, and I've towed with them all. Having the stability of a 3/4 ton but a better ride is really what keeps me from selling it amd getting a 3/4 ton. That and the seats are far better than any other truck I've driven from the big 3. Love it but hate how under rated it is.
Same here, I love my Tundra but the low payload had me upgrade to 3/4 ton truck also.
The yellow sticker in the Toyota Tundra door jam is the real payload number for the truck as it accounts for the accessories added to that particular truck. So if the payload is 1345 lbs. and the truck comes with a spray in bed liner and tonneau cover the new adjusted payload would be on the yellow sticker and it would be 1345 lbs. minus what ever those accessories weigh.
My ‘19 f150. Xlt, 5.0, 4wd, all stock, does not have the HDPP, and my yellow sticker payload is 1823lbs, whatever that’s worth to ya.
Really great video. Lots of information and I really like it when both of you are together!
2024 XD pro4x loaded with just about everything you can get (pano roof, power heated/ventilated seats, side steps, etc). Curb weight 6900, GVWR 8730.... 1830 payload. Of course this truck is considered a 5/8 truck but I see it as a half ton still. I'd say great value and great specs.
Me just relaxing in my Sierra 1500 with 1976 lbs payload on the sticker.
My 2019 F150 Crewcab 2wd has a 2182lb payload, also have a 2017 Ram Rebel Crewcab 1072lb payload, but put 5000 pounds or more behind the Ford and the trans smells like its melting
I'll keep my 2020 F350 6.7 turbo diesel quad cab 4x4. Can haul and tow anything I throw at it. I had a pallet of 80lb bags of concrete while towing a 30' utility trailer with a skidsteer on it with no problem. Same with my 33' travel trailer with the bed full of gear and firewood.
1300 whatever pounds of payload capacity has been pretty normal for a 1/2 ton full-sized truck - with 4x4 - plus front and rear seats in the cab. That elusive HD payload package you mentioned may only be available on a regular cab XL with an 8 foot bed.
You can get it in any cab in XL and XLT.
@@johannesgrimm9911 Yep, as long as it’s the longest bed option. Supercab 8’ or super crew 6.5’. Not available on short beds. I believe in Canada you could get it a trim level higher than in US. Not sure if still the case
No 1300lbs is not normal. You'll rarely find any other brand of truck in the mid range trims under 1600lbs of payload. Only Top trim trucks are 12-1300lbs.
My LT Trailboss is 1700lbs.
I think another thing is that Toyota refuses to acknowledge what the consumer has known for years now. The F150 is the Tundra's direct competitor. I love Toyota, I own 3. But now, Toyota builds a damn near bullet proof pretty boy/Dr.s truck....towing jet ski's around. It doesn't understand that just like cell phones, tech and what you can actually do with it are what sales are about now. And just like cell phones, many folks never hold on to them forever, they trade them in for something new every 5-7 years. You take a Limited Hybrid Tundra and a Lariat Powerboost F150 and equip both relatively the same option wise. The Ford gets better MPG. The Ford has more interior space. The Ford has tow hooks. The Ford has slightly better cargo and towing. The Ford does all this and for only 7hp and 13ftlb's of torque less than the Toyota....albeit it costs more. Toyota is shoved so far up their ass with this Tundra in thinking that "their mentality was to sacrifice MPG for performance". Tell me the name of any customer that wouldn't take their TT V6 re-tuned to get equal MPG to the Ford for just a bit less power? Toyota has simply failed with the roll out of this power plant.....as much as it kills me to say it. Oh yeah, the Ford has that massive inverter generator option too...for $750 more for 7,200 watts VS the 400watts on the Tundra. Hell, the Toyota minivan at least has a 1500watt one!!! So, in the end game, if reliability isn't the name of the game as much any more, why wouldn't someone go with the Ford.....especially travel trailer owners? Toyota built the best useless truck they could. With that Ford, people have CLEARLY demonstrated that they will pay to get a bit more usefulness out of their truck. Toyota could make a bit more by doing the same. You may not lead the pack....but AT LEAST keep up with it.
1,3xx lbs that’s horrible. My 2018 F150 screw with fx4 is1,857 lbs. Big difference
What about the Toyota " unicorn " model ? The SR double cab with the detuned engine has the most payload of 1800 lbs but the lowest towing in any trim of the Tundra..but also the highest mpg too..Intended as a work truck model..no mention of of it..
Simple. SR wasn't at this show.
@@Pickuptrucktalk Its still worth a quick mention since you did mention Fords " unicorn " model that was not there as well..fair is fair..it would have informed your viewers of what Toyota also has available currently too..
@@agentcovert Sure, fair criticism.
I'm heading to the work truck show in April. Hoping I can find some more trucks with higher payloads.
BTW, every manufacturer is in the same boat with inventory. My local Ford dealer hasn't had a new F-150 on the lot in months. Everything pre-sold before it comes in.
@@agentcovert Right on
@@agentcovert for record i found my closet ford dealer has 3 max tow f 150 , out of 8 trucks not very unicorns
Just keep beating the drum, friend. Because it's going to be forever before most people even care to understand that payload does not mean what you can haul in the bed alone regardless of everything else you have in the truck or the tongue weight of the trailer. I know more than a few self proclaimed "truck" guys who refuse to believe this even when it's on very obvious display. With one saying, "well yeah that sticker tells you how much you can haul in the bed but that ain't the same as all you can haul." Never opened his owners manual to find out otherwise and never will.
Toyota has been way under rating their payload since 2010 when the standards changed. Funny thing is they were the only truck company that decreased their max tow ratings and payload ratings. The others kept the same or increased, and I guarantee it's not because they actually made the trucks tougher. I would bet the Toyota could actually safely handle the most payload of the half tons
Exactly. I’d like to see a comparison of say a comparable 2022 F-150 maxed out payload and a 2022 Tundra say “overloaded” by 200 lbs with that same weight and measure squat and compare how they drive and handle the load.
Typical fan boi beliefs. Convince yourself its a 3/4 ton so you can feel you are the smartest truck owner
@@archive.garage hahaha, cry baby much? In no way did I suggest the 1/2 ton is a 3/4 ton.
The problem is the legality, if you get in an accident while being over weight there maybe a case against you.
the issue is when you get in an accident and you have exceeded the payload.
My 2006 Honda Ridgeline, the truck people love to diss, had a payload capacity of 1,560.
My 2020 F150 XLT has max tow but not max payload package and payload is around 1860. Ford having 3 different frame thicknesses changes what they can do for payload also. Regular, MaxTow and HDPP each have different thickness frames.
Reallly? I've never heard this. Do you have a link ifd love to read more about it.
I've heard that as well
@@EngineeringGoneWrong I’ve put the link in 4 times where Tim from PickupTruckssndSuvs is talking about it and it gets deleted each time. The thickness range is .087 to .11.
@@bobdennis4801 interesting I'll find it. Why does it keep getting deleted I wonder....
I own a 2021 F150 Crewcab STX 4x4 (3.31 rear locker) with a 5.0 coyote engine. My payload is 2031 lbs as close to a unicorn (2100 lbs) as you can get.
Forgot to mention I do have the tow package.
That payload is pitiful on the Tundra. I looked at a F-150 XLT with a 2,018lb payload.
Another great video Tim & Jill. Thank you. What I'd like to know is how Toyota can legally advertise a maximum payload of 1940 lbs for the 2022 Tundra then not manufacturer a model with a payload even close to that. The highest listed in their manual is 1580 lbs for an SR DC 2WD 8' bed. What gives?
Weird. Something is amiss.
@@Pickuptrucktalk Agreed! To add to the confusion, at least one forum member on Tundras dot com actually weighed his new 2022 properly and determined that his actual payload is almost 300 lbs more than what his door jam sticker states! We checked his math.
Have you noticed that Toyota uses different terminology depending on where the spec is shown? The manual uses the term Vehicle Capacity Weight (and contains the lower amounts). The vehicle ordering guide uses Payload (and contains the higher amounts). That door jam sticker doesn't use either term but the amounts appear to match those in the manual..
I believe that all of these terms have different definitions, meaning that the conditions under which they were determined is different.
All I care about is GVWR, and GCVWR (since I plan to tow), so just give me those numbers and the curb weight and let me do the math myself. It would be nice to know what the actual payload would be for a Tundra I want to order.
Maybe you could request some further clarification from your contacts at Toyota?
@@Mattedfred they underrated the payload ratings. They pretty much implied when he talked to Mike Sweers it can handle more. The legal department likely had a hand in the rating.
@@christopherwaits7852 Except that payload isn't a rating. Payload = GVWR - empty curb weight. And, that doesn't change the fact that the amounts in the manual differ significantly from the amounts in the vehicle order guide.
A big reason the math doesn’t match up with trucks and a lot of areas would be because of the legal department
Most trucks can handle much more than the numbers show
That's why you see jabronis hauling an 8K or even 10K trailer with a Raptor that is loaded down with a bed of stuff and a family of 4. It's the wrong vehicle, but you look cool riding your bump stops going up the pass.
I've owned 2 F150's with the heavy duty payload package, 2011 and my current 2015. They also both had the Max Tow package, for 2015 the Max Tow package came with the heavy duty payload package. My 2015 has a payload of 1780lbs. It's a crew cab XLT short bed, max tow with the sport interior package and towing mirrors. It's very hard to find F150's with Max Tow and towing mirrors, I had to order mine.
Nice work to both of you, putting some perspective on the payload topic.
Does the tundra have max tow package? Can we compare to the F-150 with max tow and the 7000+ GVWR package? These are everywhere here in Texas, I wouldn’t consider unicorns and their payload is way higher than the tundra…
Yes, Toyota has a max tow package. Unfortunately, we showed every truck at the show from both of these booths. There just isn't a lot of trucks at these shows right now with supply so tight.
Interesting, it would be nice to compare these packages between brands, it might further show even more similarities between both manufacturers. I read somewhere that Ford’s 7000+ GVWR package has a thicker frame too, not sure if this is true or not… I learn something new about these trucks everyday lol
Thanks your answering these questions for us!
Love Jill's excitement and enthusiasm.
the big issue with the tundra is you cannot option it to achieve a payload over 2000 lbs. the unicorn ford is a f-150 with the 3k+ payload. Any 3.5 or 5.0 truck has an uprated payload. The 5.0 I bought has a door sticker payload of 2150 and these trucks are not impossible to find. All you have to do is look at the ford literature to determine which options to look for. You won’t find a f-150 with a 3k pound payload options, you definitely will find one with the 2k pound range if you know what you are looking for
Thanks for focusing on payload. Whenever I see impending towing disasters they are overwhelmingly due to either payload or excessive trailer length. Just because you have a bed doesn’t mean you can throw your atv back there when you tow.
Great info! My 2020 Ram 1500 Classic Tradesman Extended cab 2wd 5.7 hemi has a payload of 1781 lbs. 4wd is a tradeoff too when it comes to hauling and towing.
I just ran out and checked the payload on my door sticker to my 2020 GMC Sierra AT4 Offroad with the 5.3L V-8. Tow is 9,800, payload 1,532. Better than the Toyota and the Ford.
It’s unfortunate. I have a 2022 tundra and am underwhelmed with payload as I wanted to purchase a truck camper. There are very few 1/2 ton rated campers that will actually work. I’d even be happy with 2000lbs and it’s a double cab not the full cab
I think the yellow stickers in the Tundra door jam are VIN specific Payload limit.
They all are.
I think we're missing a very important issue here. Look, the 1794 has 1310 pounds. But it's not the Hybrid....which that Ford Limited Powerboost was. So, The question now is how much more weight will be knocked off for that same 1794 tundra when you add the hybrid components? The capstone has the heavier acoustic glass, but I would argue that it's pretty close to what a 1794 would be in terms of build and quality. Supposedly, Toyota allows for a higher GVWR for the hybrids.. So why for the non hybrids don't they just build the truck with that same higher GVWR and since it doesn't have the electrical components of the hybrid, they would benefit from a higher cargo capacity?
I bet you it's because of the fact that the hybrid's MPG boost was so miniscule that they wanted to give people a reason to buy the hybrid and not just stick with the non hybrids. If the non hybrid actually had higher cargo capacities then their hybrid brother, many folks would sacrifice the extra power of the hybrid for the higher cargo payload of the non hybrid, especially since Toyota doesn't sweeten the deal with the Hybrid by offering a 7-8kW inverter generator.
So you’re saying all the non-hybrids have de-rated payload numbers just to make the hybrids more attractive?
@@numedeutilizator9868 I'm saying that if it's true that the Hybrids are alloted a higher GVWR, then it makes no sense why the non hybrids don't have a higher cargo capacity since they don't have all the extra equipment.
The other bit I mentioned as a plausible theory for it...all about sales. But I have no proof to confirm or deny that.
Good point, but inexplicably, Tundra jams the GVWR way up on the Hybrids so they can have around the same payload as the non-hybrids. One good take away is that probably means the frame on the non-hybrid isn't being taxed.
@@archive.garage how can toyota just hike increase the GVWR on hybrid models?! Are the trucks physically more capable of handling additional payload? Probably not. I would agree that non-hybrids payload numbers are being de-rated, for multiple reasons. Very sneaky of Toyotas part.
@@archive.garage right, and since the hybrid mpg increase is so miniscule and offers nothing else to consumers other than a power increase, they prob didn't want the non hybrid out selling the hybrid because of it. It's all about the dollars!
Fun topic Tim and Jill. I know that with F150, if you go XLT, and MaxTow with the 3.5 or 5.0 you can get beefier springs and 9.75 gears. This seems to be a combo that gets 1600-1800lbs IRL. Mine has 1768. Agree the 2000+ numbers are unicorn HDPP trucks. I have been to a couple Toyota dealerships and have been disappointed by the low numbers (~1500) even on SR5s. I guess I just don’t know the right combo to get higher numbers on the Tundra.
If you were pushing those payload numbers on any truck, especially if you’re towing, you should not even be looking at a half ton
Half tons or a compromise because they can do a lot of things good versus a three-quarter ton that can do a few things very well
Get the right tool for the job
I refuse and will not watch another of your great awesome videos if she is not in them. 😂😂great job guys, she puts a big apart and makes it funnier to watch
The f250 tremor diesel took me by surprise thst it had a payload of 2700, I have seen that in f350 version of itaround that number usually F250 around 2200. Was there a camper package on that truck?
Not that I recall for the camper package. I’ve seen a lot of HD trucks with over 2K LBS of payload though.
@@Pickuptrucktalk maybe they increased the gvwr like gm did to increase overall payload
Yeah, and people forget to subtract the payload from the max tow rating
Yep, that's why I covered that in the this video as well.
You mentioned that any factory option you add, I.e. sunroof, power seats, etc. needs to be included in your payload, however, I believe any option included at point of sale is already factored into the payload sticker- any after market accessory, I.e. truck cap/topper, tonneau cover, etc. needs to be added to payload, but factory options are already part of the calculation. Am
Correct. I was pointing that as you add options to your build, the payload goes down. A lot of buyers look at the maximum payload advertised and then are shocked to discover their truck doesn't match that payload number.
Interesting idea for channel weight ratings - not in pounds, but in Jills.
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Well a Toyota Corolla has a right around 1,000 lbs of payload capacity so this is not much better
I am so saving this video to show all the 'Brozers when they scream a small pickup can't match the payloads of "a REAL truck".
Thanks for doing these videos. People buy into fords marketing not knowing the truth. They don't sell many of the max payload packages.
My ‘17 F-150 Lariat 5.0 FX4 Crew Cab 302A with regular tow package 3:55 is 1579lbs.
You ever check out the Chevrolet Blazer, GMC Acadia and other similar vehicles in the line-up for payload? Blazer has a payload of over 1500 lbs, Acadia the same and you still get pick-up payloads in the Traverse and Enclave. Most people don't look at the yellow sticker and so don't know what they are getting. Tacoma's have less than 1,000 lbs for example. I saw a video where a Ranger bottomed out with just over 1,000 lbs of weight (three big guys in the bed) though the sticker showed almost 1,600 lbs. So it is important to talk to somebody in the business that knows what they are talking about. Great video.
My 2018 Equinox has 1500lbs of payload lol
just got a 22 F-150 xlt 302A crewmax with 3.5 ecoboost and pano roof, 1669 lbs payload. Tundra I liked was 1395 wo the roof, TRD Sport sr5. That 274 lbs covers me and my kid, I tow a 30 ft TT about 7500 GVWR. With family, little bit of gear in back I am about 50 lbs under at the scales. Love Toyota, but it cant tow more than a 5k GVWR trailer plain and simple
I wish they had single cab short bed or long bed cause those cab configured trucks can haul even more since it doesn’t have a back seat. That is pretty much why the crew cab trucks have low payload numbers. The lighter the truck the higher payload capacity.
Come to our farm or out to the quarry............. we currently have 11 regular cab, 8' bed F150s
@@cwqrpportable wow really are most of them new or some old ones to?
@@Randomgamer-tk2zj They're rotated out of service about every 5 years; but keep in mind they're work trucks. They're pounded day in and day out in an open pit mine. Most of them are about 5 years old but one of them is nicknamed Henry and I think he's close to 10 yrs old. Great plow truck.
Payload is what so many people overlook when selecting the travel trailer that they are going to tow with their new trucks. Good examples and discussion here, folks!
I have the Ford website open in another window. With 6.5 ft bed, the XLT w/Supercrew & 4x4, can be had (ordered?) with load capacity of 2640# IF you don't load up on options. Regular cab, same config but 8 ft bed, can reach over 3000# and over 3300# if 4x2.
It depends on what you want/need. Your vid sheds some needed light on load capacity.
The Unicorn isn’t that difficult to find. Not any harder than just about any popular Ford right now lol. Several neighbors have the heavy pay load F150’s for camper use. They actually get a number of different things besides suspension. The frames are different, the fuel tank is bigger, different rear differential etc. As one neighbor put it He needed the payload of a 250 but wanted the ride quality and size of the F150. The heavy load pack isn’t that difficult to find. I bet the loaded Sequoia is far shorter on payload than the loaded Expedition both of those are basically wagon versions of the 1/2 ton trucks.
The last F150 you looked was an FX4, it’s heavier than the STX 4x4. My 2021 F150 STX super crew cab 4x4 with the 5.0 has a total max cargo weight limit of 2005 pounds on the data sticker. It’s max factory tongue weight is 500 pounds, Ford recommends a weight distribution hitch if that needs to be exceeded. Good video, keep them coming.
My F150 has 1814.... I can comfortably tow a loaded 7 k trailer and three and a half Tims left over in payload.
Three and a half Tims?!? LOL
What's the gross combined weight of that truck. You may be surprised that you may not actually be able to tow 7k trailer & "3 tims"
My 2022 Subaru Outback has 900lbs of payload. When you folds the rear seats down it’s basically a single cab with a 6’6” bed in the back.
Difference is if you put 1500lbs in that Maverick its going to squat big time!
Very informative - you two are a great team
Bring back the Jeep Comanche, my old Metric tonne one was rated @ 2200 lbs .in a compact truck .
This is why I bought the F350 with the Godzilla. My XLT has a payload of 4100 pounds.
Great info. It can be a very important thing to check when buying a truck or loading your truck for a trip.
I think the max payload would likely be one with the highest gvwr in a base 2wd regular cab package. I'm just guessing though. I think the 4wd systems in the ones you showed are probably adding a lot of weight.
Not really a unicorn, you’re just looking in the wrong place for the wrong truck. Pretty much any manufacture will have the highest payload for their base level, standard cab 2wd truck. Generally, you won’t find those trucks at an auto show because they’re not fancy enough to show off.
Still a good video for informing people of what to look for when shopping for a truck.
Good video guys, my 22 f150 loaded Tremor has a payload of 1548
What colour did you get?
On Fords, the Maximum payload for a regular cab 2 wheel drive with HDPP is 3325 lbs, maximum payload for a SuperCrew 2 wheel drive with HDPP is 2900 lbs. When it comes to payload and towing, every manufacturer has an asterisk by their number, so quick picking on Ford
Ford loves to brag so it’s time they had wind taken out of their sails
Not on a F150
Not picking, clarifying for those who don't know.
Who DIDN’T know this? Of course Ford is going to state their max number. EVERYBODY does.
Yep. They all do it. But how easy is it to find a truck with the max payload? That was the point of the video. One of the commenters above mentioned he has one such unicorn, and it was ONE of THREE made that year. That's out of nearly 1M vehicles sold ...
Thanks for shedding light on this. This vital info should be included in the online configurators. Are we just supposed to order a truck and then find out what the payload is when the truck is delivered in 6 months? I tried asking Ford for the estimated payload on a configuration. They referred me to a dealer, who had no interest or ability to figure it out.
(2018 F150, Lariat Special Edition, FX4… payload: 1513 lbs.)
Absolutely amazing video!!! This should be recommended viewing for all pickup trucks buyers that plan to haul and/or tow with their trucks. I love talking trucks. I love truck research. My next tow vehicle for our Casita travel trailer (2,900 lbs loaded) will be a pickup (currently tow with 2009 Kia Borrego V8 mid-size SUV (rated to tow 7,500 lbs, but only 1,157 lbs of payload). My anecdotal experience in talking to pickup truck owners is that only about 6 in 10 can tell me definitively what their truck can tow and only 2 in 10 can tell me what their payload is (and the sticker is on the door frame). Many truck owners drive trucks as a means of transportation and not a as tool to tow and/or haul. But, even for those that do use their trucks as a tool, payload is the #1 overlooked variable regarding a truck’s capability. Thanks again for a fantastic video!!!
You can cherry pick trucks all day but at the end of the day an F150 will tow and haul more than a similar tundra.
That Maverick payload surprised me😯
Umm, am I missing something here. How can the SR5 payload be so close to the Capstone payload? Only off by 50lbs. Doesn’t the Capstone battery and hybrid components eat into its payload number? I like to know, what wizardry has been done here.
The hybrids have a higher GVWR so yes they weight more but they put some payload magic dust on it…
@@sledforpeace that's exactly why payload figures seem so arbitrary to me, and I think why most people shouldnt put too much weight into them (pun intended).
@@sledforpeace hahaha, what is this payload magic ? I’d love to know? Another user suggested that Toyota is de-rating the non-hybrids in an attempt to upsell more hybrid models . Seems plausible…
Someone here mentioned that the new composite bed could be the limiting factor when it comes to payload. That could explain why payload rating across the whole lineup are so close.Thoughts?
That's a shame , my 02 tacoma 2.7 4x4 xtracab payload is over 1600
Great information!
That's the great thing about aftermarket suspension and breaks, you can easily increase your payload.
When you calculate pay load is the weight of fuel already calculated by the manufacturer
Yes
You two are awesome! Great video
Its probably a 2wd normal cab,XL that can carry that big load.
GREAT VIDEO!!! Been wanting to know this. So disappointing how load the payload is on the Tundra's, I really need 1700 or more.
My Toyota Sienna has more payload than half of those trucks. Great point made that payload is going to impact your actual towing ability, and that most of these trucks can't actually tow what they're rated for, or even close to it.
Thanks for doing this video it’s very informative and I learned a few things from it
i sure would like to see Ford release the number of unicorns built by the end of 2022
Why? It's supply and demand. I personally have 11 of what you call unicorns on our farm and at the quarry. What's the big deal? You think they just make a couple to make their statement true? You can order as many as you want. Our regular cab, 8' box F150 with the 152" wheelbase stay on the construction site and at the quarry with the exception of an odd trip into town. They're work trucks.
Great video and great teamwork 👍
Because there was no 2100# example on the Ford display/showroom floor does NOT mean that it is somehow fiction. You seem to imply that, and create doubt in people's minds. If you need more payload, order the payload package. I've had three Ford pickups in my lifetime. I ordered the payload package on all of them. No big deal. I also search out/buy load-rated tires, that actually were not OEM, but aftermarket tires, to be sure I could meet/exceed the payload rating. I was towing a single-vehicle size tandem axle hauling trailer with my F-250, with full-size pickups on it. No problem. But my F-250 is NOT a 4-door pickup, because that adds vehicle weight/reduces payload, and it isn't a diesel either. Don't need a diesel to do this. BTW, that Maverick was impressive!
I addressed this criticism in the video.
@@Pickuptrucktalk when did this happen?
Payload Math 101. Great video. I bet the standard F-150 2 wheel drive regular cab basic truck (might) get close to 2100LBS. That truck must be out there somewhere or you would think someone would sue Ford for false advertising.. Maybe the driver has to weigh 75 lbs to meet that spek..Make sure you stop off at the restroom, drop that load and drain the tank before you get in…
LOL @ restroom.
Yeah, it is a work truck configuration for sure with the HDPP.
I just checked out an xlt supercrew 4x4 with a max payload of 2039lbs...id say that's quite a bit better than a measly 1400 from Toyota. Also Toyota's website claims much higher payloads than actual
You probably only find that payload in a regular cab long bed f150. So yes Ford makes a 2100# payload truck but in a model that families wouldn’t buy. It’s pretty much deceptive advertising by Ford. The fact is that most half ton pickups will be in that 1300 to 1600# payload range. That Ford Maverick has crazy payload for a compact truck. No way would I try to haul that much weight! The max tow ratings for half ton pickups are way overinflated for the towing and cargo that most families are going to use it for. Again, it’s deceptive advertising. Half ton trucks are probably engineered to ride nice more than they are for towing and hauling. It’s probably a good idea to add rear suspension enhancements such as air bags or Timbren springs if you’re towing and hauling a lot.
Easy tiger, it's not deceptive advertising at all. Not everyone tows a jet ski or snowmobiles around and wants an everyday 4 door truck. Regular cab, 8' bed trucks are very common plance in rural farming areas and on construction sites. That's our bread and butter truck for our farm and quarry. Toyota doesn't offer a truck in this configuration so it's quite legitimate for Ford to advertise and espouse their payload ratings vs other manufacturers. Again, it is not deceptive advertising at all.
@@cwqrpportable excellent points. Absolutely right. It would be deceptive if Ford didn't offer that configuration. You think Toyota would let them get away with it otherwise? If Toyota offered that option, don't u think they'd bring that up? Fact is, u can get a Ford with that capacity, not deceptive, it's the truth.
@@Marco-fi6gv It's fairly obvious and for the sake of accuracy I think Jill should do a folowup to state the facts; might be a learning experience for her.
@@cwqrpportable I agree that many of these trucks are used for commercial and agricultural purposes. These people are usually aware of a trucks limitations and buy accordingly. The f150 is the best selling vehicle in the the US. The vast majority are sold to families. Many of these families are going to want to tow something. They hear max towing capacity of 12,500 pounds and think they can really tow a trailer of that weight safely. The payload of these trucks are 1500 pounds give or take a couple hundred. The tongue weight of bumper pull trailer is between 10 and 15%. They buy a 10,000 pound trailer because the the truck can tow 12,500 pound so they’re safe. Well they’re not. The trailer tongue weight has taken up most if not all of the payload capacity. Load family and all the gear that goes along with RV camping and you’re overweight and are at increased risk. Ford attaches these inflated tow capacities to their trucks to sell more trucks. There will be a disclaimer in fine print somewhere but they sure don’t make it prominent. It is deceptive advertising!
@@markreams3192 No it isn't deceptive advertising, at all. . Not any more than any other manufacturer's advertising. One of the big problems is sales people (both truck and RV) who don't have the proper knowledge and it applies to all manufacturers.
Anyone who buys a truck for towing needs to seek out good advice; it doesn't matter if they're purchasing a Silverado or a Ram or an F150. My youngest brother educated himself with all the literature available on line from Ford and it really wasn't that hard to arrive at what he needed to buy. I think you underestimate people and exaggerate the problem. There's far more safety concerns regarding the KIA sales person who sells a Sportage to tow a 5000 lb GVWR RV than what occurs with trucks. Most people who tow more than they should with their truck are just stubborn and pigheaded.
Btw, the median age for an F150 buyer is slightly older than for the majority of light truck buyers. The median age for most light truck buyers is a male of 55 yrs; F150 buyers are slightly older at 56. Not that it really matters, but just for the sake of accuracy, most 56 yr old men have their kiddies raised by that time.